The Runner's Knot Supreme - how to tie

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[@SethJamesDeMoor]

COMMENT OF THE DAY!!!

[@bradleywall2246]

Another tip: I cinch the runner’s knot with my foot flexed rather than pointed. I have found if my foot isn’t flexed (foot and leg at 90 degrees) then it is a bit too tight when running.

[@scotthumphreys4157]

Yep, I even give a little knee over toes to give me a little extra space. I also pull my laces a little through the arch to snug that up first.

[@paulnielsen7610]

Exceptionally well done video, Seth!! Watching this morning in my tent, dirtbag camping in New Mexico after Across the Years in Phoenix and on my way to the Big Bend Ultra in Texas. Perfectly explained, filmed and produced with an extraordinary wealth of clips from your archives. Thank you so much!

[@ethanshea6260]

QD: I am VERY particular about tying my shoes. I almost always double knot, unless the laces aren’t long enough (like with my Rincon 3, but they always stay tied). I always use a runner’s knot for fast workouts and races, and I use one most of the time for daily runs, but not always. Some shoes fit so well that I don’t need to, and some don’t. Most importantly, I pull the laces tight systematically from the bottom up. Not so tight where my feet get no blood flow, but fairly tight, then when I’m finished with my run, I loosen them up in the same way from the top down. Wash, rinse, repeat!

[@robkowright]

QD: Started running during the pandemic and picked up the runner's knot from your previous video. Never fun to stop during a run to re-lace, so double knotting is always a safe bet. Just starting my marathon training this week so it is very helpful to pick up these details from your videos, thanks!

[@dewijones324]

Just tried the "Runners Knot" Seth. I'm amazed at how much more secure my trainers now feel on my feet! Amazing, thanks from Wales.

[@JeremyGiese]

QD: I don’t use the runners knot…pretty much never. Regular lacing up with just enough tension/squeeze works fine for me for all types of runs. I noticed if I try the runners knot a lot of times I get pain around my ankle or top of it. I’m sure running gait pattern as well as foot shape plays a roll if it works or not. But I’m always here to learn something new! 😊

[@daveg7894]

Same here. I find a runners knot will often cause hot spots for me I wear widespread so it's tough to get a perfect fit sometimes.

[@Kevin-cf8uu]

Wow excellent video! I've been running for 16 years and never even knew that there was a better way to tie your shoes.

[@malloryshowalter]

I appreciate the attention that you're bringing to lacing up your running shoes. The runners knot doesn't work for me because I have extremely high arches and any extra pressure on the top of my foot in the wrong spot makes my toes go numb. BUT I've had to figure out what does work for me - skipping a lace crossover on the top of my foot. Looks weird but works and increased the number of shoes I am able to wear!

[@jono2154]

i have to say....I'm super excited to hear about that Nimbus 24 you're running in.....with blast foam!! So glad that Asics is progressing.

[@lenid.99]

Thank you🙏🏽I will try the supreme runner‘s knot later in my run🏃🏽

[@tsubakichan]

I'm glad you mentioned it takes some time to dial in the fit. While the original runner's knot changed how I lace up, I've found particularly on a couple races, I cinched down too tight, causing foot soreness not only during the race but quite a few days after! You live, you learn. Gotta try that "Supreme" method! Thanks!

[@kylacker_1763]

First time I used the Runner’s knot I tightened the top to much and started to cause some tendon issue on the top of my foot. However, I was able to loosen it and get it correct a few runs later and every shoe of mine is using this knot. I tried one day to not do it and I noticed a lot of heel slipping. Overall it’s just amazing what one more crossover does for a shoe. Have a phenomenal day!

[@mark.kaiser]

I was skeptical of the runner's knot at first. I started using it a few weeks ago and became an instant believer. I might try this supreme runner's knot tonight.

[@RobertHarridge]

I started tying the runners knot a little over a year ago after watching a bunch of your videos and noticing how you were tying them. This is an excellent video that deserves to be shared to everyone’s running friends. I’d say most of my shoes are regular laced and tied, because that’s what feels comfortable to me for most of my runs, but pretty much every racing shoe is runners knotted, or if I’m doing tempo or speed workouts. That being said, 2 of my favorite shoes don’t have the ability to runners knot. Nike Infinity FK1 and Nike Epic React FK2…

[@Kinaanath]

Thanks! this was very informative

[@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183]

This was such an excellent and clear explanation of the various options related to the runner’s knot. I tried the standard runner’s know back when you published your last vlog about it but then went back to traditional lacing. I probably didn’t take enough time to dial in the pressure throughout the lacing system. However, I find that my feet swell enough during longer runs (especially in warm weather) that I sometimes have to stop and readjust so the runner’s know might be too precise to allow me that flexibility and ease in doing so. I always double knot for races, and generally feel that if a shoe has heel slippage, it’s not a good fit for me so I simply don’t buy it. Martha

[@OttoVogrincic]

Wow!!! I never knew this. I told myself, today I'm going to learn something new, and here's Seth giving us golden info early in the morning. Thank you! QD: I always use one simple, bunny ears knot and hope for the best. Always wondered why that extra hole was for.

[@allendranoel]

Hi Seth, thank you for your insightful videos. I use the runner's knot in most of my shoes. I read some comments below that doing the runner's knot gives them some pain or discomfort in the instep of foot (top/front of the foot slightly below the ankle). This is due to the tension in one area caused by the multiple laces merging together after cinching them down and lacing them up. This is case to case though based on the shoe's eyelet configurations and height of the shoe collar. It's all about experimenting which one works best. One way of doing it is to skip one eyelet - you leave the 2nd to the last eyelet when you make the loop/anchor. Hope this helps. Cheers to you and your family, Seth. Be safe and well.

[@BIG_BOSS_NEO]

Very good running knot Seth, I've been using the runners knot for years, since I felt like I needed more lock feel on the heel counter, as I started to run faster and faster, a prefer a more snug lock. Gonna use your runners knot supreme a few interval reps to try it out, take care buddy

[@UltraDad]

simplicity for me. I don’t use the extra eyelits…but I do double knot. That does the trick. The surgeons knot looks cool though…might have to try it!

[@maflodder9061]

Works for me. Going to check it out with this lacing on one shoe during tomorrow's run on Gel-Nimbus 23.

[@mattc8831]

The Surgical Knot is brilliant! Thanks for the tip. One thing that I always do is tuck the bunny ears under the laces. Since doing this, over 12 years ago, I’ve never had an issue where my laces come untied. Under one or two cross overs is fine! If for some freak reason, I need to retie in the middle a race, I’m not at the mercy of having to struggle to get a double knot undone.

[@peterkirktenor]

I'm ALWAYS doing surgical, runners knot and double knotting ..I cannot be doing with stopping...only laces that have evaded this have been super slippy Hoka Rocket laces!

[@chrisreyes7326]

QD: I use the traditional runners knot (with double knot) mostly for trail running. It not only helps with lockdown but also shortens any extra lace that could potentially be a tripping risk. I'm excited to try the new Altra Mont Blanc with the BOA system whenever it drops, innovation in running shoes has seemed to hit almost every part of the shoe except the lacing system

[@Reaper006]

I have always just done a double knot with the old bunny ears tie that I would use on any shoes. I will have to try the runner's knot at some point.

[@sazrulsazli]

Cant wait to hear your thoughts on the Gel Nimbus 24 🔥

[@kylesautter8555]

Hello Seth! You are the first person I have met other then my mom that knows what the bunny ears are!! This just made my day. I use bunny ears to this day and peoples mind are blown when they see I do that.

[@courtneyr.6680]

I am pretty sure this is how I first found your channel in the first place! I was searching for a Video on how to tie a runners knot!

[@ajmartinez1906]

Seth, I still have some swelling on my left metatarsal area, what suggestions do you have for lacing my shoe including the Runner's Knot?

[@djniuton]

I use them plastic Toggle Cylinder Cord Locks / End Spring Stoppers to tie my shoes. This enables me to quickly adjust if necessary (very long run when my feet got a bit swollen). I just pull both laces thru and then tie up those loose endings at the bottom of the eyelid chain (tie against the first crossover of laces). This also enable to fast taking shoe off if some pebble got in during the run etc. Cheers DGR

[@bonjourmonsieur5280]

Man I’ll try that tomorrow, I’ve never used this extra hole before. Also I’m used to stuck the buckles and the extra lace under the crossings of the laces, it prevents them to move while I’m running and I think it looks better

[@RichardTan]

I have been using the runners knot plus the surgical knot (I never knew it was called that, I learned it from someone somewhere) since 2014 and I have never ever had my shoelace come undone. It is the only knot I have experienced that does not come undone. Fully recommend it.

[@petermuller6903]

I always use the runners knot and double knot, I try to position my tongue straight, I even try to prevent flat laces from twisting so they lat flat as a pancake above my foot. I also engage my foot a little bit before tying up to prevent aching and allow the foot to swell, critical especially in ultra running. GREETINGS FROM SALZBURG/AUSTRIA!!!

[@Smellevue]

My shoelace tip is to double-triple twirl the laces before knotting. Makes the laces lay flatter in the foot with less of a pressure point on the very top of the foot. I use a runner’s knot but it doesn’t work with feet on some shoes. I believe the pegasus 37 I did runners knot on my left but regular on my right.

[@nberkel]

Tie my day to day shoes regular and tuck the loops into the laces further down the eyelet chain. For workout shoes I use the heal lock/runners knot method with a single knot.

[@garyleem2000]

Seth... interesting question. Has there ever been a running shoe with zips, Velcro or BOA lacing (like in cycling shoes) instead of the traditional laces ? I’ve been running for 20 years and I’ve never seen any. Gary, Pakistan.

[@damiencawley2583]

Have you any tips on lacing technique to relieve pressure on tendons high up the foot at joint with lower leg and where you normally tie the knot.

[@cyrusjison564]

have you considered doing swift on the treadmill content?

[@kennethwedig6091]

Seth, I can assure you that the double knot on race day is not necessary. The whole point of the runner's knot is that it provides the security of a double knot and the simplicity of being able to be untied with a single pull. Interestingly, I tie it differently from you although we end up with the same knot! I learned it from The Klutz Book of Knots over two decades ago.

[@annestrock4917]

I can remember having a shoe sucked off on our notoriously muddy h.s. x- c course and running in 1 shoe to finish the race. Our coach use to make us athletic tape around our shoes and laces to keep them on!! I've used the runners knot for the last 17 years. Can't tell you how many people I've showed what that 2nd hole is for!

[@Deadbuck73]

120th! Holy moly! Your shoes will never come untied! The runners knot supreme! Does it come with guac?! 😂 I usually double knot if the shoe has a propensity to come untied… always double up for a race. I also tuck the ends down under the laces so they don’t flap around during a race…

[@kiwirevo]

I just do normal double knots 99% of the time and I've been fine but the Saucony Speed 2s are the first shoe I've experienced heal movement and it creates a hot spot at about 7kms (so I haven't taken them past 10) but the laces are too short to do the runners knot... What do you recommend? (aside from change the laces which is something I'll look at)

[@MountainView21]

The beauty of Salomon quick lace 😄

[@51mpson]

i just use a regular knot, tied once and have only had my laces come loose once in fifty years of running. i do however tuck the 'bunny ears' under one of the crossovers further down the eyelit chain so there's less laces flapping around and, if out on trails, less chance of them getting snagged on something.

[@AdamB-]

QoD: I now runners knot since your last video on runners knot, but I previously simply single tied my shoes and it was pretty successful. Since transitioning I went too tight early on, but have now got it down 👍🏻

[@rcbraith]

Hey Seth, I use the runners knot but to make it extra secure I double wrap the laces before the bunnies ears, I learnt it from a military guy , it will secure the laces whilst you make the ears!

[@gtromble]

Very clear, thanks.

[@SethJamesDeMoor]

You're welcome!

[@1989Matthijs]

QD: I always ty a runners knot with the exception of my New Balance 1080V11’s they have a painful pressure point if I use the runners knot. Also I always double knot. First one over second one under so the two knots pull tight together. Never comes loos that way

[@damiencawley2583]

Ive had same with issue 1080V11, 3 weeks later and still feeling the tendon pain on long run at point laces knot tied

[@ForwardLooking832]

I have high arch feet which means cinching anything down across the top of my feet impacts the nerves to my toes when my feet swell. Its so painful. I often have to lace up using techniques that hikers use and skip lacing the eyelets in the middle. This does mean the foot is not as secure around the middle, but its the only way I have found to minimize the problem. For me, a shoe that has a good soft padded tongue is important, and not tying too tightly around the cuff.

[@Will_Mitchell187]

very interesting thanks Seth

[@peterb6454]

British fell runners use the double wrap as that gives a more secure knot but you can still release it easily when your shoes are wet and caked in mud. It’s called a Booth Knot after the inventor.

[@freshfitathletic9255]

I was just wondering if you were ever going to update the runners knot vlog. Haha, “Runners knot” is the original search on KZbin that landed me on your Channel.

[@boti2305]

When's the time to review this nimbus 24?

[@mattabbott6303]

The surgical knot is a game-changer. Literally blew my mind.

[@louklein7143]

QD - I have skinny heels, to prevent slippage back there, I use the ‘runners knot’ always. With the ‘quick laces’ on some Salomon shoes, I can get a decent to pretty-ok lockdown. Road running and trail running with laces, I use this knot exclusively.

[@kenavr]

Sadly I have a really high instep which means the laces are too short for a runners knot on 90% of my shoes. Hoka seem to provide the longest laces, with my Nike, Adidas, Saucony, Asics and New Balance shoes I wasn't able to do it and still comfortable tie them.

[@iode9999]

Doesn't this method shorten the length of the laces? Every time I tie my vaporfly next percent 2's, I can never seem to get the runners knot to work because the laces get extremely short. Any advice on how to fix this issue?

[@TheJCP006]

I still have to tuck the lace loops under the front lace as Hoka tends to have extra long laces.

[@SamWynne]

I tie my shoes with my got flexed (toes pulled back towards my knee) as it keeps my laces from digging into the top of my foot. My quirkiest lacing situation is with my Saucony Endorphin Speeds: I only runners knot the right shoe, and on the left I do a normal shoe knot. Feet are all different.

[@TheRahewitt]

I have mach4s and they fit so incredibly snug, that I’m not sure a runners not is needed? Does it make a difference even at that level of lockdown?

[@jschimiz]

QD: Plain old double knot. I don't use the top eyelets on most shoes. I used the runners knot for a number of years but found it bothered the tendons in that front ankle area under the laces. Overly tight shoes can cause running problems as well, so I aim to stay a little loose.

[@philippegagne268]

QD: as the top part of my foot has a high volume, i don’t need to use that extra eyelit hole with exception of the Clifton 6 where had to go with runners knot. Always doubling the knot as otherwise the knot un-ties itself during the run!

[@nguyenvinh1383]

I do it on my novablast, it's very effective but it hurts my feet because of the thin tongues

[@jono2154]

The runners knot....learnt from your last video of the runners knot.

[@sanjaikic9114]

QD:for first time i saw “runners knot” i do it for all of my shoes and never had a issue with laces but since i got Hoka Carbon x(have thinner tongue)i have some issues with a top of my foot-yes because i make my laces to tight.I must make myself to learn again how to do it right

[@JohnnyG734]

I use a modified runner's knot! My instep is thick so there is a lot of pressure on the top of my ankle with a standard runner's knot, so Instead of using the "runner's knot loop" at the topmost part of both sides of the eyelet chain, I use it at the topmost part on the outside, but do the runner's loop on the normal part of the eyelet chain on the inside so that it doesn't cross over my ankle :)

[@allenkmp]

I’ve been doing the runner’s loop with my VF ever since and yes, no heel slippage. However, on my last run wearing the cielo x1 with the ugly laces, doing the runner’s loop made the top part of my foot, where I do tying the laces, painful. Maybe a bit too tight? How do I go with preventing possible heel slippage and not making the top of the foot painful without doing the loop tightly?! Is there any other way to tie the laces to prevent heel slippage?

[@sundayrunday7586]

What are your favourite laces? Some of my shoes come with laces that are too short to do a runner’s know. Basically just long enough to tie a basic bow.

[@tishamonroe7418]

yes! saucony ! my carbon fiber pros have short laces. I called saucony and they could not supply any longer laces that matched the colorway. sadly they just sent ugly white laces

[@sundayrunday7586]

@@tishamonroe7418 My Saucony Endorphin Speed 2s have the shortest laces! Dammit, Saucony!!

[@tishamonroe7418]

@@sundayrunday7586 Saucony customer service is a fail.

[@tishamonroe7418]

( great shoe though) power on

[@amirfarhan4516]

No more shoelace, I am using shoelace lock, zip and lock very well.

[@joachimalexandertyssy9865]

QD: I always double tie, and sometimes use the runner´s knot. When I am laced up I tuck inn the loops under the front laceless to keep them in place... ;)

[@kensprague5686]

QD: Tight but not too tight. Maybe a little tighter on fast days. If it's Nike then probably double knot since those just seem to come undone more than other brands. And just like Seth said, laces going across the shoe instead of up & down. I don't know, I haven't done anything special and rarely ever have an issue

[@alyxandrasherwood1176]

The runner's knot is essential for me because I have wider feet so I need a little extra pressure to seat my heel into the back of the shoe.

[@tishamonroe7418]

great video

[@jacksonklee]

Very thank you

[@ericchevalley]

QoD: always use the runner's knot. Thanks to your older video 😉 It's brilliant.

[@WayeOfLife]

QD.. I tie my knot 3 times. The tension is so important. But.. as for the knot.. it depends on the length. I don't need the runner's knot but I do need to make sure it doesn't untie

[@bcockton]

I can't use the runners knot. The shape of my foot does not allow it, but have never had a problem with slippage through the heel. I always double knot my laces regardless of distance or pace. Have to say.... gonna try the surgeons knot next time.

[@RunThePlanet]

No runners knot for me. Often use the extra loop though, depending on the shoe. I think I tend to prefer a smaller fitting shoe than most and probably means the naturally a tighter fit. Also I tend not to have much heel slippage. This will be a useful vid for runners who dont know it yet !!

[@lhprx4]

Lock laces for easy day shoe, runner knot for hard day shoe

[@brandonatkins1300]

Runners knot is critical for me. My right foot is longer but has less volume. Besides rubbing, a slipping heel fails to keep the shoe adhered to my foot, and the shoe doesn’t flex. That causes a bunch of other issues.

[@RunWithDan]

QOD : I never use the runners knot, I’ve always had issues with too much pressure. What my dad taught me was to tuck or thread the bunny ears into the body of the laces (crisscrossed section (X)) never had a shoe come untied with with a single knot and much easier to take off after runs.

[@Heartbreak_kiddd]

I wish I could do this with the Nike Invincible X… Just too short

[@garrymuir1084]

How come I've been running for 7 years and this is the first time I've ever heard of a Runner's knot?? I wonder what percentage of runners have heard of this, cause it sounds like this knot should be known to all runners! 👍

[@tomttl]

QD: I always use the runner’s knot on all my running shoes with the exception of the Nike invincible run, it’s like they finished the shoe budget and had to save money on the laces , who else had this feeling ? 😂

[@kenpfaff5451]

QOD: The only time I use the runner's knot is when I have heel slippage. For me if I have heel slippage when I made a poor shoe selection. Also if I cinch down as tightly as I see you do the top of my feet would be killing me

[@Eagle7433]

I found that running knots don't work well for me. It maybe my wide foot but they always come out too tight or too loose. A regular knot always feels comfortable the first tie. I found this to be the case with all my running shoes.

[@mihakanzyani]

Do you tie your shoes each time? I just leave the shoes tied after the previous run and jiggle and wiggle my foot in there the next day. I know its not ideal, I'm just lazy that way. 🙈🤷 Anyone with me? 😬

[@Damo_GingerMarmot]

what ever happened to the Velcro Shoes of the Eighties 😜

[@hakonhjemly4767]

And remember to put the loose ends under the tied laces..

[@nicklas6973]

Regular runner’s knot hurts my feet. I do instead of inserting the ends in the middle of the loop, i insert it under. Its more comfortable for me.

[@CSWells-uq4jx]

QD: I do the runners knot also. But I have funky feet and recently I’ve had to relace my left shoe, skipping two eyelets towards the top of my metatarsals, because that foot has developed a “knot” of its own. Relacing has relieved pressure on that spot which is very tender and shows up from time to time. Anyone else get a swollen muscle on the top on their feet the size of a golf ball? Any tips to prevent? I’ve just done the relacing and I smother the spot in tigers balm at night. This seems to clear it up in a day or two whenever it appears, but I’m not sure what’s causing it and it’s very painful for the first day or 2 whenever it comes back.

[@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183]

Have you consulted with a PT or doctor? “Size of a golf ball” would send me to one at least one of those without question.

[@CSWells-uq4jx]

@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 I would, if it didn’t always go away within 24-48. And it’s not a sharp pain it’s like a sore muscle pain. I’d be more concerned if it was a sharp pain or if it was discolored. I’m pretty sure it’s just that my laces are too tight and it irritates the muscles on the top of the foot. But I really prefer to have my shoes feel tight rather than loose.

[@kiwirevo]

The footage of you running PP in the pulsars isn't exactly right here :) I love me the Salomon Quicklace

[@kristof165]

I'll try your runners knot with my Nike Zoom Fly 5's. The original shoe laces are total failure. It's unbelievable how could Nike sell running shoes with laces like that. On the other end there are the shoe laces of the Asics Nimbus. I tie them only with a single knot and they never loosen up.

[@jono2154]

I'm also a bunny ears man Seth....have been teased about it

[@ericwhite80five]

QOD: the way I tie my running shoes depends on the shoes themselves. Most shoes I do the standard runners knot. Sometimes the laces are too short or the structure of the shoe makes the use of the runners knot a bad choice.

[@spencer1372]

QD: I always do the runners knot and always double knot, triple of possible. Never come undone!

[@sarahthompson6297]

The only time I've stopped to retie my shoes during a race was when my feet got swollen towards the end of a marathon and the pain on top of my foot became unbearable. The runner's knot really would not have helped at the point. I do always double knot my shoe; I've tried the runner's knot but do not use it because it puts to much pressure across the top of my foot.

[@jifford1]

simple dub knot for me

[@Burps___]

Qod: I never use the runner's knot and never have a problem. 👟