The S-80: The SPANISH MILITARY INDUSTRY’S epic FAIL - VisualPolitik EN

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The S-80 class submarines designed and manufactured by the public company, Navantia, were conceived with the aspiration of being one of the most advanced submarines in the world, just one step below the large nuclear submarines. It was the great dream of Spain's military industry.
However, seven years after its launch, this project has turned into an accumulation of disasters, failures and huge budget blowouts. In this video we tell you all the details about how the S-80 submarine, a submarine that was meant to dominate the seas, ended up hobbling the military industry of one of the most important countries in the field of production of naval equipment and military vessels worldwide.
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[@peterp4037]

This video was dishonest from the beginning until the end. sweden and switzerland are nothing but the devil and I know they finance this propaganda. I bet you will never make a positive video about Spain because the whole of this channel is to throw as much misleading negative propaganda about Spain as you can while putting sweden and switzerland in a good light. I saw the videos in this channel. You guys need a doctor and sweden and switzerland.... the devil.

[@jamesweir139]

No

[@danieldebritto7168]

It's all ok the spanish goverment make so much wrong military projects like that. First because they won't any war anymore, second the money was from the german people, and third a very good revenge over the spanish people's expectations about their country's military sector, totally frustrated in their national pride. This are communist bandits in power, just a war can take them out!

[@peterp4037]

@@danieldebritto7168 Many countries make mistakes even in military projects and if you don't believe it just see the US how they have made mistakes in the past. But this channel is all about discrediting Spain at whatever the cost. That's now journalism this is fake propaganda anti Spanish. Shame on the people financing this trash.

[@peterp4037]

@Vlad Tepes I doubt scandinavia will be able to defend itself when Russia invades them.

[@Andrew-fe7zi]

carthagena still building warships... after over 2000 years.... hannibal would be proud

[@josenighthawk]

... Thank you! ... and Hannibal, and his equally outstanding military leader and father, Hamilcar, also thank you!

[@jaimearmenteros4893]

Cartago nova

[@alejandrosotomartin9720]

@@jaimearmenteros4893 New Carthage City for the Americans.

[@AOP1967]

Your name is Cartagena.👍😀

[@pauloakwood9208]

The basic narrative is that Spain's decision to build a new and technologically advanced weapons platform has been plagued with delays and cost overruns. A more interesting perspective would have been to compare these delays and overruns with the history of new submarines and advanced ships in England, the USA or the European Union. I mean, isn't it the case that every advanced weapons system in every country has suffered the same effect. The question is what advantage or disadvantage does this program provide the Spaniards. Essentially, it comes down to two questions. Should a nation be dependent on others for their national defense, and should you spend the money at home or give 60% to the French. I think these questions are applicable to most countries.

[@luisdoyer3260]

Completely agree, look at how dependent the Japanese military and economy was dependent on American oil trade. It's a genuine self defense issue, corporations such as general dynamics are making a monopoly on military equipment and weapons which is terrifying.

[@antoinebaldur2941]

Another approach would be to see the long-term consequences of such a strategy. The American and Chinese markets are very large, so they do not need to sell their strategic technologies outside their country thanks to the economy of scale. On the contrary, each country of the European Union is too small to have these advantages so they need to sell their products outside. There is competition between European countries and with the USA, the Russians and the Chinese (not too strong at the moment). To win a contract, European countries have to sell their know-how to countries outside the European Union, which is not good for the long-term strategy. We have already experienced this kind of thing with the Chinese, when companies had to sell their know-how to win contracts in the huge Chinese market. The Spaniards are therefore canceling their orders for scorpen class which were intended for their navies to build their own submarines. Finally, they must completely leave the scorpene program because the French accuse them of having plundered their know-how for their own account and later they are asking for help from the Americans... This is a huge victory and this story promises a bright future for European cooperation. I think the USA can't sleep anymore because they are afraid of European competition.

[@pauloakwood9208]

@@antoinebaldur2941 Unfortunately for the West, nobody is afraid of European competition. Europe has the know-how, and some very talented engineers, but it takes European Ministries decades to make any procurement decision. (I'm looking at you Germany.) By the time the decision is finally agreed, the technology and indeed the need, is obsolete.

[@enriqueysu]

Te recomiendo que sigas o compres al director de la revista ejércitos el libro sobre el proyecto S80, los franceses eran un tope para nuestra industria de defensa y por eso se dio el paso a una nueva clase de submarinos que fueran de aguas azules o sea oceánicos y no por la costa nada más, el fallo que tuvo navantia es que no se asoció con socio tecnológico, ahora que os den por donde amargan los pepinos a todos los ingleses 🦷👊🤮

[@enriqueysu]

​@@luisdoyer3260aterrador es lo que se hace con las armas

[@mariogp88]

As far as I know, the overweight wasn't because of a mistake with decimals, it was because they planned to introduce new technologies in the submarine (sonar systems, etc ) but it was too late in the design and their weight was higher than predicted. Therefore they had to increase the size of the submarine in order to keep it floating. In any case, despite the failures and over cost I believe the S80 project has provided the base for future high technology projects in Spain

[@oliversmith9200]

Spain has committed to radical increases in it's submarine productive capacity. Delays and external consultation on the S-80 notwithstanding, the investment has likely worked at increasing Spanish design and construction capacity. Continued pursuit of this object by Spain could in the long run make the S-80 the beginning of a new contribution to the commerce and use of war machines.

[@alanbarlow8232]

So at which point is Spain going to contribute the required 2% to NATO membership instead of the 1.2% it currently provides?

[@pedrofmc0000]

@@alanbarlow8232 There is *NOT!* any kind of money to pay by the membership in NATO. There is a *COMMITMENT!* between al the countries members to spend 2% of their budgets in defence but only a small amount of them do it. Public spending on defence in Spain grew by 294.7 million in 2019, that is, 3.39%, to 15,420.8 million euros, representing 2.98% of total public spending. Get better information... "For some time now, every time a NATO summit is held, it has become common to hear about the commitment of the members of the Atlantic Alliance to dedicate 2% of GDP to defense. In particular, Donald Trump has been extremely insistent that this pact be honored. However, this debate is more than a decade old." "Already in 2002 it was considered to establish 2% as a requirement for a State to be part of NATO, but in the end this was not included in the resulting commitment, more focused on the expansion of the Alliance and on the effects of the 9/11 attack. . At the 2006 Riga summit, this measure was brought to the table again, mentioning for the first time the double commitment of establishing 2% of GDP as the minimum percentage to be allocated to defense spending and dedicating 20% ​​of this budget to purchasing equipment. However, this measure was not formally adopted on this occasion either. In the declaration drafted at the end of the summit, the allies only pledged to halt the decline in state investment in defense that had been occurring since the end of the Cold War. It would take almost a decade more for the 2% commitment to become official." "Thus, the decision that NATO members would gradually increase their defense spending to reach 2% of GDP within a *DECADE!* was finally taken at the *¡2014!* Wales summit. As a result, in recent years the budget dedicated to defense has increased by 5%. However, there are *NO!* consequences for those States that do not meet the objectives, but rather a political commitment, but not binding. Furthermore, few Alliance countries meet the 2% target, and even fewer meet both: 2% of GDP for defense and 20% of defense budget for equipment." elordenmundial.com/obliga-la-otan-a-sus-miembros-a-gastar-el-2-del-pib-en-defensa/

[@CitizenXFR]

Its a steal and a copy of Naval Group Scorpene. Now they need France to fix those and upgrade the S 71. France is going to bleed Novantia. And this is well deserved for this scandalous counterfeit.

[@pedrofmc0000]

@@CitizenXFRIt's a false statement. The only similar thing between the Scorpene and the S-80 plus is the colour (black as everyone else). The S-80 plus is much bigger and it's two times the displacement of Scorpene. The S-71 is doing its overhaul in the Navantia shipyard for submarines and Spain never paid some money for this kind of works of mantenement. Now you can keep making up lies. Troll!

[@alejandrosotomartin9720]

@@alanbarlow8232 With the communists in power never. And the real question is for the sake of what and whom?

[@worstchoresmadesimple6259]

Completely missing the obvious point. The whole point of a Shipyard and Shipwrights is to build and maintain. That said the S80 plus is a successful public project for as long as the Nation’s Navy and her people demand a Submarine service. IMO The title is a bit misleading, it really is about spending on long term projects given the fact that the service life is about 30 years. A nation replaces one type and prepares for the next. Off course it’s going to cost oodles of money, does anyone really think that a Submarine service is something bought off Amazon Prime? Or does anyone think that the Trident class was a waste of money and we could all have a deterrent clutching a bag of crisps and banging the next door’s missus?

[@ALf-mn3qe]

All the big projects have had big problems and this one is not an exception, developing a submarine is one of the most complicated things at a technological level. It´s a risk bet but if it goes well it will be a good letter of presentation of the Spanish industry in the world

[@DevinBrooking]

Is it just me or are his golden teeth extremely distracting

[@abhilash8555]

I was searching for a comment on the teeth! So distracting, can't concentrate on anything he is sayin!

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

Golden? ... a nice way to phrase it 😂

[@edrd6257]

I have complained about this a few times in other videos but they keep on zooming in to his face. His teeth are extremely DISGUSTING

[@MizTheDonGargon]

my teeth aren't as bad but are pretty yellow. unfortunately white strips suck ass. they barely work and the small difference they do make only stays for a few days while leaving your teeth extremely sensitive to anything hot or cold. the only way to really whiten teeth is to spend money on the dental cosmetic procedure.

[@lucasmerritt4197]

His whole face reminds me of an extra from some post apocalypse movie.

[@georgeorwell4059]

Once the first few are built, the tooling done and the defects remedied this could turn into a long term earner for Spain.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

LOL 😝

[@georgeorwell4059]

@@petersouthernboy6327 look at dreamliner development disaster, now a successful product.

[@salvador9369]

Exactly. All countries have full of product overpriced at the first time and many other countries have products really complete fails even when it are finished. It are the cost and risk of the first ambition and innovate proyects for any country. But the beneficts are much too, for example to adquire much technological knowledge, much experience and military independency, and full capacity to built other better type of submarines in the future even much more cheap and in less time. What Spain spent now, it will save in the future. In add, the most important of all is that the submarine will be well, full operative and very modern. So at the last it don´t have being too bad after all XD. Regards.

[@marneus]

If this is an Epic fail, having delivered even a better product than originally intended, then what's the Seawolf and Zumwalt classes?

[@pedrofmc0000]

Or the Astute Class...

[@garwhittaker3743]

Astute is fine what are you on about ?

[@19piolin82]

El 22 de Abril el submarino S-81 Isaac Peral será echado al agua, y será el submarino no nuclear más poderoso y avanzado del mundo. El proyecto ha costado 4.000 millones de euros, pero ha merecido la pena.

[@danielnewcombe8865]

Yes cost overruns are unavoidable, they technically went from building a lada to building a Ferrari. Cant be done over night

[@donhostiarra5641]

Ladas are reliable.

[@jpp9876]

It always is best for a country's economy to produce their own high ticket items. In the US we have had problems with war equipment not working right. Poor air craft at the start of ww2. Torpedoes that bounced off their targets without detonating. When a nation can learn from their mistakes and move on is best.

[@blezolezo25]

@@donhostiarra5641 S80+ (2 mounths after this rubbish video) -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZy5i32ah7SDetE

[@taketimeout2share]

We should not forget that Nelson and Collingwood considered Spanish ships the best built, best designed and best looking. Indeed they called them, as did all British sailors, Spanish Beauties. There is no reason that this has not changed. Good things take time. Like a good Paella. Don't give up. It won't be cheap. It is not wasting money It is creating important and exclusive skills. My opinion. Hi from England.

[@jordibarcelona7632]

But now the S80 is the most advanced unconventional submarines on the planet@ nothing beats it

[@kristjanvalgur8871]

It surely has cost more than eventually planned but on the other hand, developed an independent knowledge of designing and building advanced submarines in Spain. If they manage to export the design or build for other countries then it surely is a success. Hope for the best!

[@serbarr2087]

You can draw a comparison with the F35 programme. At the end of the day, when developing complex weapons systems, problems will crop up. We would have to see the end product, and Spain will have to ponder if it was worth it.

[@MrJavier1790]

Video lleno de imprecisiones, estaréis orgullosos.

[@alvarobardon7496]

Se les olvidó esto kzbin.info/www/bejne/gl68ZKuMlrucr5o . Deberían añadirlo

[@josenighthawk]

Strategically - GREAT INVESTMENT: Huge technology innovation MULTIPLIER for Spanish Industry - akin to the Apollo Program in generating hundreds of industries in the U.S. (Even Spanish leadership in AIP propulsion technology is being seriously considered in replacing polluting fossil fueled vehicles - and dependency on oil)

[@halvarhalvarson6932]

I hate this case, they talk about this like this was something excepcional, when it actually is pretty common, the french barracuda had exactly the same problems. And no one cared about it. The Type 26 British frigate is being a completly disaster from the very beggining, and no one care about it. Everyone is claiming that its soooo expensive... But a Barracuda Class cost twice what a S-80 cost. (1780 millions vs 976 millions) The Dakar Class, wich is going to be the equivalent for the Israel army, is about 1000 millions each already, and they have not even started the project. and the KSS III cost around 890 million. The Taigei and the 218SG cost both around 700 million, and do not have the same capabilities as the S80. So, i dont understand why so much bitching about the S80.

[@petermena]

Jealousy....!!

[@carlosdelcastillo6447]

No risk, no reward. I think Navantia has picked up incredibly valuable experience. There is much to be said about what stepping out of your comfort zone does for growth.

The story in this video is false though. Navantia had a design, and mid-construction requeriments changed and suppliers couldn't provide fast enough. Some compromises were made but in the end they had no choice to redesign the submarine, which wasn't possible to do in time with their staff without triggering a chain delay in other projects, hence the motivation to hire General Dynamics, which is an expensive but safe bet if you're getting pressured from multiple sides. Of course the submarine never "sinked" because it was never put in the water in the first place, and it's not really Navantias fault, but their client's fault, which is the Spanish Armada, and the spanish governments in the end, who want a world top submarine, with requirements changes mid-phase and for cheap, which is simply not possible. Keep also in mind that former french partner Naval Group wasn't really happy about the Navantias initiative of building their own submarine instead of continuing their joint venture with new designs down the road, which possibly has something to do with so many articles with ridiculous claims in the internet.

[@brianpreval5602]

would you still say that if it was your tax payers money being squandered!!

[@pedrofmc0000]

@@brianpreval5602 Look at the Astute class... They had to ask for help from General Dynamics/Electric boat too. They had many problems delays and over costs too...

[@Eteriaa]

I sure hope they have. They took some much needed money from Spain's public coffers. Meanwhile, they keep asking the EU for more money... If these guys wanted to go YOLO on this stupid project they should have done it with private capital.

[@pedrofmc0000]

@@Eteriaa The money for the S-80 was spent time ago not now and it's been the government who finance it such as all the countries in the world that develop submarines. BTW! France, Italy and a long etc, including Germany, are going to get economical help from the European Commission too... France is the fourth country to benefit the most from the measure after Italy, Spain and Portugal. French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire estimated that his administration will receive 40 billion in grants from the European reconstruction plan.

[@juangarciablanch]

Elon Musk or NASA never failed any attempt. Nor did Jack Vernon Sparrow attacking Cartagena. Oopps, the other Cartagena.

[@miroslavhoudek7085]

"Just" subsidising jobs. But these are not any jobs, these are high tech jobs. Whatever it did cost extra this time, whatever transfer of knowledge they paid - when they will be building the next submarine, they will have the guys capable of it. That's how it works. I reckon that the first submarine the French or Americans build was also a budget/schedule nightmare

[@paulstone9667]

No, not really! When it comes time for Spain to replace these submarines these people will have retired or died! They will have those boats for 30+ years!

[@salvador9369]

@@paulstone9667 but the knowledge don´t will die with the people. If it die then all entire projects would died allways in all countries, but it´s not occurs. The knowledges are transffered to the next generation and they upgrading the previous knowledge. Without this, still we would living at the age of stone.

[@Eteriaa]

@@salvador9369 not knowledge, but experience. Professionals who have completed projects are usually more capable to successfully complete new projects, and this is true for any kind of profession and type of project. On the other hand, despite that building submarines is indeed a high tech endeavour, they could have invested this money in an actually important technological front such as AI (deep learning, more specifically) or pharma or any other non-military related field. Because at the end of the day, you are using public spending on something the public won't really see any benefit from.

[@pulsarplay5808]

@@paulstone9667 When your teacher retired, what did you learn from him disappear? LOL

[@paulstone9667]

@@pulsarplay5808 He joined the Spanish navy submarine service and we never heard of him again.

[@LuisPerez-xc3pn]

Ladran, luego cabalgamos

[@talos1689]

Ellos no son el ejemplo precisamente a seguir,llevan años de retraso en sus proyectos,y "cagadas a tutiplé",así que se dejen de verse como el ombligo del mundo,que ya vale!!!

[@user-hu4nk3gq2g]

I think that ANY investments in your own country, your own industry, are always better then import. Giving jobs to your own citizens is olso great.

[@Nermalton77]

All countries that try to establish a new nationaly industry face obstacles in the beginning. One can't expect that top tech manufacturing will be produced at first without making mistakes and leading to money losses. But this is how societies learn how to do stuff and evenctually reach better quality.

[@Grimmtoof]

In theory, although the question is how much extra money will it cost, will the finished product be good enough quality and what else the money could have been spent on (which might lead to more jobs and better returns).

[@JesusGonzalez-ky6dk]

9.000 jobs

[@sonikUk]

Ownindustry?? 🤣 You stole secrets from the French during your cooperation on the Scorpene submarine. You betrayed and went to do this crummy submarine with the United States. It doesn't even know how to float, it costs too much, it's a total failure. I hope you regret your betrayal. Today the scorpene is selling very well 😎

[@el_nesto1844]

@@sonikUk It doesnt have anything of the Scorpene, we did our own industry and you used a delay in the project to make propaganda saying that the project is a failure. Going against the french might be a betrayal to France, but not to Spain, sorry to do the best to our country and not to yours. You arent real allies, france is the worst country you can ally with

[@pulsarplay5808]

The reason why Tomahawk missiles are not planned is that when you buy certain North American material, you have restrictions on their use. Therefore, you are conditioned by what the American State Department establishes on those limits of use. Buying material that you do not know if you will be able to use, if necessary, does not seem like a smart purchase. So other purchase options like the Taurus missile are being looked at.

[@ross.venner]

If only Australia's submarine project was as well managed... At least we are having the French rip out the nuclear propulsion and replace it with a conventional system.

[@Haizuki]

This comment aged like fine wine.. OH WAIT!

[@SingleMalt2]

You know.... the Spanish Navy isn't the only one well-versed in wasting taxpayer money. While the USS Virginia Class has actually been successful, take a look at the USS Zumwalt for a fail that has wasted many times as much. Also, it appears the new USS Columbia class are over $5 billion a piece. Yikes!

[@pendragooon]

Stop talking it bad. The problems have been solved and the result is AWESOME.

[@phillipphil1615]

The Australian purchase of the barracuda is for the non nuclear version.

[@goodputin4324]

Shortfin

[@zalacainbilbao]

'Have you heard anything more Spanish than the 10 years delay?' Well, there is this from the Gurdian this year: The Dreadnought programme, first approved by Labour in 2007, has been repeatedly delayed by governments since. The first submarine was initially due to come into service in 2024, then 2028, and now the “early 2030s”, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) says. Have you heard of anything more British?

[@pedrofmc0000]

Not to mention all the troubles with the Astute program...

[@Robin-kr4eg]

FYI the Australians are buying a conventional version called the Shortfin Barracuda. No nuclear for them.

[@surendravelamuri7162]

But not from the spanish

[@bigyokes4747]

@Michael Then you build them. No ambition.

[@juniornutshell]

@Michael They also dont have the political courage for them.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

The Australians are also converting them from Nuclear to Conventional here. So expect massive delays & cost overruns just like the Spanish have had. I'm with you Rob, we should just buy Nukes from the USA, it'd be cheaper, faster & more reliable.

[@rearedevening9283]

the Australian submarines are not the Spanish ones they are actually French subs

[@restaurantcostambar]

Simple solution: Fill it with politicians - all that hot air should help it float.

[@bigblue6917]

It should fly with that much hot air.

[@willylao5430]

🤣🤣🤣

[@bigred5287]

So many armchair admirals in this comment section... 1) Spain doesn’t have the facilities to build nuclear subs. 2) Spain doesn’t really *need* nuclear subs anyway - it needs the ability to patrol the Med and the North Atlantic within a few thousand miles of its shores. The AIP powered S80 design is capable of this in theory. 3) The design flaws of the S80 have been fixed and the boat is going to be built, albeit with a delay. 4) Blunders in military equipment/arms development are not unique to Spain - literally every country has had them. The F-35 Lightning, the most expensive military development project in history has had its fair share of issues, design flaws and controversy, as well as being massively delayed and over budget.

[@dragonsystems5973]

The Australian variant of the Barracuda will actually be conventional, not nuclear...

[@stevepirie8130]

It will also provide facilities to build their own subs into the future.

[@youcantata]

As of end of 2023, Spanish S-80+ is practically sole contender for Indian 75i submarine project. All other contenders, including Korean DSME, gave up bidding on this project. So it is almost certain that Spanish submarine proposal will win the bid of building the 6 Indian submarines.

[@JM-qb2kd]

Not gonna lie, as someone who works in advanced manufacturing. It’s quite appropriate (and appreciated) to see stock footage of a CMM probing locations. Especially as someone who works with CMM and CNC machines, thought that was neat 🤙

[@goodputin4324]

Means you're supposed to lie?

[@francisdexaviermaurinus4695]

Yes. The investment was good. Once you learned to build it. The know how stays with you.

[@dannyjensen3202]

The UK also need help from Uncle Sam with the Astitute Class!.. dont get too cocky you brits 🤣🤣🤣

[@lucadesanctis563]

With Brexit going wild, I don't think they'll be able to afford US or any other country's help in shipbuilding

[@meilong2338]

Brits love to showcase other country’s problems while hiding theirs. They are experts at hiding their dirt under the carpet

[@gamma505]

Not so bad for a first try. Next submarine designs will be better.

[@ohkav]

this did not age well, "Australia decided to buy french subs" the joke of the year. :D D :D

[@aibo13]

The Eden Hazard diss was GOLD

[@paulrodriguez6054]

Like his teeth

[@lucadesanctis563]

@@paulrodriguez6054 omegalul

[@frumar3883]

Envy is very bad, Spain has always been a leader in the naval sector for centuries, pity those who always want to hurt it. The black legend imposed by those you know lives on to this day. Long live Spain.

[@Avieno]

Hey, mate, I'm spanish and I'm impressed of your information level about the S-81 project. You are right: we have not the experience and technological capacity to lead a project like this, but as you remind in the video, we invented submarine, so perhaps we have something in our genes or ingeneering naval tradition to be successful in the project. Good video, and Santa Bárbara protects you! 😁

[@didierblanch827]

Eventually Spain will perform better, just need time and focus with the task.

[@Angel24Marin]

Por que este canal funciona en colaboración con Visualpolitik original, que es español. Y si ves videos antiguos verás como intentan traerse presentadores calvos con camisetas hawaianas para imitar la estética original.

[@Avieno]

@@Angel24Marin Ah, ya decía yo, jajaja. Me había dejao acojonao el nivel de información del payo.

[@juangarciablanch]

Do you think it should name it Blas De Lezo or Luis de Cordova? Because Admiral Vernon or Jenkins Ear do not seem appropriate name's.

[@flechaverde99]

Al menos en este tema VisualPolitik deja mucho que desear. Por favor, que me nombren algún tipo de proyecto nuevo que haya estado exento de problemas..si hasta el mismo F-35 los tuvo.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Australia: hold my beer 🍺

[@jaimeegea-godinez6173]

The first one is in the sea, for a fraction of the cost of the next Australian Submarine, don’t forget that is a new model with a lot of problems, I am from Cartagena and my cousin is working as a worker on the proyect

[@zalacainbilbao]

How many large scale, cutting age weapones systems have come in on time and within budget in other countries?

[@Tetemovies4]

The tomahawk unexploited capability still makes sense for exports

[@JohnSmith-nz4bn]

Big thing about we Australian's going with the Barracuda class and why it's such a similar issue that Spanish went through, is we want the Barracuda converted to diesel electric with the AIP system. Given a location in the globe, we have rather unique operating requirements which only serve to compound the issue. That and we have absolutely no nuclear industry here in Australia and it would take us decades to build that capability assuming the general population actually had the appetite for it, which most don't.

[@remistiegler5302]

the Australian situation is still different : unlike the S-80, the submarines ordered by Australia don't require a whole new design as the Barracuda Class submarines already sail in the French Navy. Moreover, Naval Group also builds diesel-electric motors for the Scorpene Class subs, so they are not starting from nowhere

[@trekkienzl2862]

Spain 🇪🇸: The S80+ is overbudget, overdue and its probably going to be a failure when it comes out. United States 🇺🇸: **Laughs in F-35**

[@MyCommentsGetGhosted]

The F-35 is considered a success but a bit overkill for the missions the US currently runs. It outperforms every previous generation fighter in recent red flag operations and that includes the European fighters.

[@Snoy_Fly]

The F-35 project has failed and they tried to make it a thing for way longer than this submarine. I admire effort and vision though.

[@MyCommentsGetGhosted]

@@Snoy_Fly 5 f-35s vs 5 of any 4th plus generation fighters will see a massive win for the F-35s. This was already confirmed in the recent red flag exercises where the F-35 dominated against any adversary team. Add to the fact that the F-35 has room to grow as both P&W and GE are developing the variable cycle next generation engine that can be retrofitted into all existing f-35s and will most likely be added to any newly produced F-35s. So what advantage does any 4th generation jet have against the F-35? Don't mention speed as the moment you attach weapon payload and drop tanks, the speed drops down to around Mach 1. Don't mention maneuverability as that is also penalized by parasitic drag and causes energy loss far faster than the F-35. Don't mention price because any up to date 4th generation fighters are within the same ballparks in terms of price as the f-35. Don't mention electronic warfare as that's also inferior to the F-35's. Don't mention IRST as 4th generation fighters are limited to forward facing IRST while the f-35 has full spectrum IRST. Don't mention radar because the F-35 has the latest radar technology. Simply put, any 4th generation fighter is out classed against the F-35 since they're both at a similar price point of around 80 million USD or more with legacy fighters having far lower performance by comparison.

[@KamiInValhalla]

The air force a few days ago said the the f35 failed at meeting it's initial requirements so...

[@corvusglaive5769]

@@MyCommentsGetGhosted It outperforms every previous fighter except the F-22 Raptor. In fact, the F-22 Raptor is the real overkill. That is why it has not been made available to any other nation.

[@Aaronwilliam]

This video wins the award for the most naval/water puns that can be condensed in 20min

[@madgringo9263]

Some time after this very critical video.....and the Spanish have overcome the main technical problems.....the Sub Isaac Peral is doing it:s tests with honors and now they even want to arm it with Spanish made ship to ship and ship to ground missils. All these technologies are very complex and can produce technical errors but technical progress stems from them and Spaniards learn fast.

[@frankmartin8471]

The ongoing disaster hhere is that the narrator didn't bother to research the pronunciation of Cartegena.

[@ajvanmarle]

17:28 Actually, no. The Australian version of the Barracuda are conventional powered.

[@m.amonroy4465]

Even the United States has had problems with F35 program

[@TheBlackadder-Edmund]

Carefull someone created a scam account impersonating the channel

[@CPalanysamy]

"is there anything more spanish than that?" ridiculous comment and uncalled for

[@scintillam_dei]

Reminds me of the Armada failure. No, not that one. The British Armada failing to take over Cartagena de Indias when Spaniards defeated the Brits.

[@nigelpar]

Just wait, Australia’s new submarines at over $7B each will be a bigger disaster. That’s more than double a Brand new Virginia class attack sub.

[@MMG008]

Yep. The sub project is on target to be a colossal waste of money.

[@ronmaximilian6953]

Spanish failure to purchase the tomahawk missile is quite puzzling because they also have frigates that can launch these. The F100 Bazan Class has 48 Mark 41 VLS tubes that can launch the tomahawk. Of course, most of these will be used for air defense missiles. They are also building the F110 class which in theory could also carry tomahawk missiles but is being crippled by only having 16 VLS tubes. in fact, this new frigate will have an even more advanced AN/SPY-7 radar than the older frigate (SPY-1D) or most American destroyers and cruisers, but will be crippled by having so few vertical launch tubes. Spanish Navy seems to make very weird choices. But they do make good ships. The Australians bought the F100 class and modified it for their new Hobart class air defense destroyers. And the F1 00 made it to the second round of competition for the new United States constellation class forget, losing to a Franco-Italian design. Novantia is also exporting its amphibious carrier to Australia.

[@pedrofmc0000]

The gobernment cancelled the purchase of Tomahawk to not depend of the permission of the USA to use those missiles. So, the finally decided to buy cruise missiles Taurus for the Airforce. The most likely is Spain buy the MCN to MBDA to use from with the F-100 and S-80. The F-110 will be a frigate whose main mission will be anti submarine fight (ASW?) So, the Spanish Navy think those 16 VLS are more than enough.

[@blezolezo25]

Tomahawk need permission of USA for use. Taurus not need permission of Germany.

[@loperano1984]

the f110 come to replace the f80, they are antisubmarine warfare frigates.

[@_dionisio]

It is the first Spanish submarine. Of course it took longer than expected, but now Spain has that knowledge. If you keep satisfied with what you are, you never go forward. I’m happy my country has embarked in such an advanced project. Now I hope some day pay off…

[@tesoulx]

In the USA they failed very very hard with Zumwalt and Australia isn't doing that well with their submarine. These idiots just like to make fun of Spain. Viva España!

[@Nermalton77]

You're totally right. Countries only get richer by being able to learn how to do produce more technological products. If a country restrains itself to only producing what it is 'easy' other countries will eventually surpass them. Look to what happened in China, 20 years ago the world laughed of the poor quality of their manufactures stuff, now they are being able to challenge the americans and europeans in many top areas. I am happy for spain and I hope my country, Brazil, rediscovers the power of believing in its own industry before it is too late.

[@atlantic3695]

@@Nermalton77 great comment

[@samcam8284]

So they spent all this money on a sub that any nuclear sub can sink. 😂😂😂

[@Karl-Benny]

SAAB Kokum's have been world Leaders in AIP Engines for years in Submarines

[@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA]

True, but not the same system, they store hidrógen,. S80 produce It.

[@_flagg]

You're late. The submarine has already overcome all problems and the first submarine will be delivered in 2023.

[@tooboukou8ball702]

Next mega project: The tooth brush.

[@tesoulx]

Mr yellow teeth: delaying projects are a Spanish thing American F-35 project: hold my beer

[@snittlecakes9969]

"mr yellow teeth" bruh i thought i was the only one who noticed but that cracked me up

[@kimjongun6746]

Lot of comments about yellow teeth.... C'mon people, content is important than color of teeth

[@johnc7385]

Shut up Kim you monster! All your people have yellow teeth from your nuclear radiated chickens.

[@Mortimer_Duke]

Like his relentless mispronunciation of Cartagena.

[@drunkensailor3736]

I hope he also tackles the jailing of Alexei Navalny in Russia. Great explainer on how Putin maintains his power and the situation there: kzbin.info/www/bejne/en_bp5ekrpahrtU&ab_channel=MyTake

[@kimjongun6746]

@@Mortimer_Duke well, humans make mistakes, it's natural. I mean we had a very stable genius who tweeted covfefe and hamburders while being the POTUS....

[@jjgspann5010]

Totally agreed.....

[@barrydysert2974]

IMO Spain will float their boat. Only time can balance the books!:-) 🖖

[@caseroj6020]

Cost overruns are not uncommon for such a large ambitious project. The S-80+ might seem expensive at over 900 million USD per sub but consider that the American Seawolf class submarine goes for around 3.5 Billion USD per unit. Yes these two machines are in different categories but my point is that cutting edge military hardware does not come cheap. Right now everyone in the US Congress is complaining about the F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter. Twenty years ago they were complaining about the F-22 Raptor, and before that they complained about the B-2 Stealth Bomber. Go even further back in time and I remember Congressional leaders complaining about the F-117 Nighthawk. Rewind the clock some more and I remember complaints about the American B1-A bomber in the late 1970's and early 1980's. It was scrapped by Jimmy Carter and then resurrected by Ronald Reagan as the B1B Lancer. My point is no one likes the cost of military hardware for national defense up until the point that they become needed to fight a war or protect the strategic interests of their nation around the globe. In America it wasn't until the first gulf war in 1991 that everyone felt the United States got the return on their investment in radar evading stealth technology for aircraft. Do I think the Spanish should have gone it alone on the S80? I would have to say my answer is NO. I would have partnered with either the French or the Americans and maybe eve the Germans too. They could have negotiated with those three to come up with a better deal for Spain where their local industries would build and outfit the craft and develop their skills in this area along the way.

[@jpp9876]

Not having tomahawks would be like Spain fighting the Spanish American war with wooden ships.

[@cidcampeador1163]

Spain is trying to develop its own missile systemj, but meanwhile be sure that the suitable weapon will be choose.

[@enekoeneko69]

Taurus.

[@eljanrimsa5843]

Spain's best asset: national pride. Spain's worst obstacle: national pride.

[@rafaellastracom6411]

Very well said indeed. Pride is the mother on envy, Spain´s national pastime.

[@duxgus]

Like British

[@josenighthawk]

'Epic Fail'? ... What ignorance!! Strategically - GREAT INVESTMENT: Huge technology innovation MULTIPLIER for Spanish Industry - akin to the Apollo Program in generating hundreds of industries in the U.S. (Even Spanish leadership in AIP propulsion technology is being seriously considered in replacing polluting fossil fueled vehicles - and dependency on oil) ... Man! Ignorant people are aplenty!!

[@batallador1118]

Spain's worst obstacle: Envy, no pride.

[@josenighthawk]

@@batallador1118 ... easy now ... Spain is rightfully, finally, and fully rising from the ashes at the hands of historic whirlwinds of ill fates - and rising, principally!, because of the unavoidable FACT that she is SPIRITUALLY AND CULTURALLY TATTOOED to the hearts of hundreds of millions of grateful people around the World - REGARDLESS of the shrill from naysayers.

[@estanislao7964]

Gone for ever? You’ll never know. Pd: You got some of your info quite wrong.

[@LuisRomeroLopez]

Mmmm... You really imagine Spain as the dominant power in the next 100, 200 years?

[@estanislao7964]

@@LuisRomeroLopez do you know for certain?

[@LuisRomeroLopez]

@@estanislao7964 A better question is what indicator or technologycal advance makes you consider the possibility?

[@estanislao7964]

@@LuisRomeroLopez no no, the question is if you know the future for certain.

[@LuisRomeroLopez]

@@estanislao7964 Yes. So many (unlikely) situations need to happen, that we can be confident that it is (best scenario) highly unlikely. For example: If I hold a galss a couple of feets from the floor, and and then I drop it, technically, I can't know for certain is gravity is going to work or some weird quantic shit is going to happen. But dou actually consider that is like a 50/50?... Or even 99.99999999/0.00000001? You probably will better choosing a China, India, the European Union as a hold, or even Russia. So yes, the question is "Why do you even consider that specific situation?"

[@ranwest2213]

This really feels like a premonition for the Australian submarine program. Greedy politicians using the program as an exercise in pork barreling. With an inferior submarine being 20 years too late.

[@TalonAshlar]

The Australian sub program uses more reliable and tested French technology that said most military programs are filled with technical problems.

[@ranwest2213]

@@TalonAshlar If they bought them outright I would totally agree. However they are redesigning them from a nuclear to a diesel electric, which is a huge undertaking. They are also assembling sections in both Australia and France.

[@chefchaudard3580]

@@ranwest2213 and? Australlia is looking for a specific long range submarine, and nothing is available on the market. It must be designed specifically, and basing it on an existing design makes sense.

[@stevepirie8130]

If you hadn’t added to the requirements that you build and maintain at home you could have gotten cheaper subs but it’s that capability that costs big time

[@standup573]

That is not going to end well...

[@ordepix]

Who laughs last, laugh double

[@MrNaturman]

technological research costs money, but in the end all this technology can be used in other fields of industry, and can give us advances and technological independence over other countries, any new development has its "extras",: f35, zumwalt, etc, this It is a research and development project and many companies will have new and advanced technologies

[@cesarlr3]

If you saw the news that came out yesterday, you might new to update your video 😉

[@carlossanchezmerodio8836]

Yes, we´ve decided to design and develop our war ships, planes, tanks...maybe not the best in world but our I+D, industry, tech indepence and proud. In the past we used other countries products with none investment or tech returns. Each invested euro in this field returns 3 more to the country. Happy with this new path for our universities, industries and companies.

[@Coco111s2]

So with cost doubling its gonna cost just under €1b per boat from scratch... but australia to change an existing design and build 12 boats costs €5.7b each....

[@eddiegaltek]

The French Barracuda class the Australians are buying are being converted to none-nuclear at a cost of AU$1 billion per sub - on top of the cost of the submarine. The are due to be delivered 10 years after the current Aus. subs wee due to retire. Australia are already having difficulty keeping a submarine presents in the Pacific how it is going to manage over the next 10 years is anyone's guess. Australia's submarine procurement program is making the Spanish look competent.

[@yereverluvinuncleber]

Did you come away thinking mostly about submarines - or teeth? That is the test of a good documentary. I am now leaving the comment section and I am going to now go and clean my teeth, I feel the need.

[@parthphadke7842]

Australia is going with diesel version of barracuda class called short fin barracuda.

[@exoticgamingportal4215]

Honestly your teeth caught my attention more than Spain story😭

[@benwilson6145]

Nag Nag

[@whattheflyingfuck...]

that is the new color of the british passport

[@darrena5384]

The S80 will travel at 19 knots. It’s far far too slow. U.K. subs, French subs, american....Chinese, Russian all have nuclear powered subs which travel at 30+ knots. This Spanish sub is very much a tier below the top tier

[@bigred5287]

Spain doesn’t have the capability to build and operate nuclear subs... very few countries do.

[@MyCommentsGetGhosted]

What's the point of a nuclear attack submarine when you don't even have nuclear infrastructure? The purpose of their submarine is for maritime defense, same as Sweden, Germany and Japan so a non nuclear option would work fine for Spain as it has worked for the previously mentioned countries.

[@darrena5384]

@@MyCommentsGetGhostedit’s nuclear powered, not nuclear weapons. Nuclear powered subs go much faster and stay at sea much longer

[@MyCommentsGetGhosted]

@@darrena5384 You didn't properly read the comment you're replying to. "What's the point of a nuclear attack submarine when you don't even have nuclear infrastructure?" Nuclear infrastructure as in nuclear engineers, manufactures, maintenance facilities, ports and so on. No one mentioned nuclear ICBMs. You also seem to have ignored the next half of the comment that makes the comparison between this submarine and other non-nuclear attack submarines with air-independent propulsion like those possessed by Sweden, Germany and Japan and which server their respective countries well. If your main goal is maritime defense and not power projection, then there is no need to have a nuclear attack submarine.

[@marpagapal3312]

they won't travel at 30 knot unless they want to get sunk...

[@jairuskteo]

Thank you for the presentation. But you talk a little bit fast. I had to listen a few times. But still I like your channel. Cheers

[@pipiramirez9470]

> sub failed because of inexperience in designing and building Not surprising. The good news? They have more experience now. Let's see how it goes this time.

[@ahadubaraki7881]

The submarine and navy puns got me rollin😂😂

[@goodputin4324]

Sub-tle indeed. OK I'll make myself out hehe...

[@tesoulx]

Mr yellow teeth: delaying projects are a Spanish thing American Zumwalt-destroyer project hold my beer: from 32 ships costing a total of 9.600 millons it ends up with only 3 ships costing 22.500 millions!!!

[@midnightwatchman1]

This just the price of learning, unfortunately learning means mistakes. my one concern is that the market for submarines looks a bit crowded at the moment

[@chrpap7042]

Yes but now they have experienced people that can pass on their knowledge and create long term potential and innovation spillovers to other industries.

[@MRRookie232]

Would you guys consider toning down the music? I’ve been subscribed to this channel for over three years but the music honestly limits when and how I can listen to what are usually well researched and informative essays. Polymatter, B1M, Caspian Report, Real Engineering, and City Beautiful to name a few have a good balance for vocals as well as supporting music. EDIT: typos*

[@LuisAugustusFGomes]

Please stop chewing the yellow crayons.

[@YawnGod]

I like smoking coffee drinkers without shame. Good man.

[@LuqmanHM]

Make a video about Malaysia's LCS project

[@herihazril]

Hahahaha senyap² dah lerr 😂

[@jasonbourne6531]

Solution is simple, just built a submarine that wont sink.

[@jonanderazumendi5075]

Que dentadura más hermosa... ¿Han visto ustedes algo tan anglosajón en su vida?

[@TF-km2ls]

Jajajjaja

[@mario387mario6]

From what I heard the Australian ones won't be nuclear, they only use the hull, but will have new internals.

[@sutherlandA1]

The French design that Australia is building is a variation called the Shortfin Barracuda which is a diesel electric version of the nuclear sub

[@cte4dota]

Imagine if they just try to make Nuclear Submarine :O

[@cte4dota]

@VisualPolitik EN Perfect i have millions in Bitcoin.

[@taxcollector5920]

Lol@VisualPolitik EN

[@LuisRomeroLopez]

@VisualPolitik EN You don't even have the check mark. (._.)

[@atlantic3695]

It is possible, Spain has already its own nuclear technology and it would be a matter of budget

[@cte4dota]

@@atlantic3695 Everything is possible mate.Did you saw video ? They where many times over budget and years with normal Diesel sub...

[@duxgus]

Always there is a first time, just look at the problems of UK submarines with shipyards more experienced than Spanish ones.

[@goodputin4324]

England has always been shite

[@nautilusshell4969]

I'm surprised that a Scot can't correctly pronounced either the guttural 'g' or the 'n' in 'Cartagena' and that he's similarly unable to correctly pronounce the 'zn' in 'Aznar'. One wonders what else is wrong. I'm looking forward to the clips on the UK's various defence projects and how they a) have run over budget and b) are unfit for purpose.

[@mateoandrade9806]

tell to visualpolitik ES to upload video today :(

[@drunkensailor3736]

I hope he also tackles the jailing of Alexei Navalny in Russia. Great explainer on how Putin maintains his power and the situation there: kzbin.info/www/bejne/en_bp5ekrpahrtU&ab_channel=MyTake