The Sad Reality Behind Ana Kasparian's Red-Pilling | Carl Benjamin

Dave Rubin of “The Rubin Report” talks to Carl Benjamin (also known as Sargon of Akkad) about the challenge of ideological awakening and changing one's beliefs; TYT’s Ana Kasparian’s recent waking up to the flaws in leftist ideology; and why it’s so hard for people deeply embedded in left-wing ideology to break free from it.
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[@liberty-matrix]

“It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.”~Thomas Sowell

[@TheNethertyp]

"What isn't reasoned in, cannot be reasoned out."

[@glasshalffull2930]

Any effort you wish to make should be focused on those Dems in the middle who just haven’t really considered too much, but vote Dem because their parents did. I’ve flipped a handful to the red side, but it takes patience.

[@Christmas-dg5xc]

Stupidity, cowardice, and condescension usually go hand in hand.

[@Er-sv5tn]

Virtue signaling, moral superiority, hubris... whatever you call it I'm sick of it

[@oldtimefarmboy617]

Unofficial definition of diplomacy: The art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they actually look forward to the trip. President William Jefferson Blythe Clinton: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.” Too many people are easily impressed by pretty words and the pleasure and moral superiority that comes with those pretty words can be very addictive.

[@patchesblue155]

Isn't it amazing how when policies begin to affect people, they suddenly realize how wrong their opinions have been?

[@patsie00]

well you never made a bad choice in you life, you had to learn nothing in your whole life?? people learn by failing and making mistakes.

[@patchesblue155]

@@patsie00 wow, hating on observations? sometimes it's really good if one looks at all the options and avoids a few of the mistakes one could have made...

[@whoshotashleybabbitt4924]

⁠@@patsie00 failure teaches you more, faster, than success ever could. However when that mistake or failure impacts/harms/is detrimental to another individual, one needs to course correct immediately.

[@michaelkulman7095]

Unfortunately until their ox is gored much is ignored or even embraced. It has to get to where it affects them before they care... Then comes the epiphany. "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me" Martin Niemöller

[@chrischreative2245]

@@patsie00It’s called critical thinking and logic. You don’t always have to experience things to know the idea is dumb or outcome will be bad.

[@Madchris8828]

Carl is a great guest. Been following him since the old days of Sargon of Akkad

[@cleopatra1633]

The Lotus Eaters is a great channel where he speaks too.

[@Madchris8828]

@cleopatra1633 absolutely. It's fantastic and love it when ol Carl pops in for a spell

[@AdamRelayson]

Aside from the constant response battles, I preferred that old content when he would discuss ideas at length on his own.

[@Madchris8828]

@@AdamRelayson I can see that. We did get to here from him more too

[@toolegittoquit_001]

'This Week in Woke'

[@giantfactory]

Just used this quote elsewhere this morning by Yuri Bezmenov, explaining/predicting the ideological subversion that the US would go through - “As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore,” said Bezmenov. “A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That’s the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.”

[@darbyohara]

Prophetic descriptions of what American has become

[@bozejoetheclown3554]

If that's not it in a nutshell, I don't know what is. Thank God we had Yuri to help wake people up. I'm still astounded everytime I go back to rewatch his lectures, how precise he called it.

[@FUN144]

Great reference from Yuri Bezmenov. The rising dictatorship is the smaller problem, the apathy of the masses is the greater problem and most frightening and very prevalent today.

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

Great quote from Besmenov. One of many. He revealed a lot of extremely troubling but absolutely crucial truths.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

The left has left rationality and reality behind, Ana is going through the same process I went through when I began to realize that the left has become a cult of lunacy. I got sick of the increasingly extreme and bizarre direction the left has gone down on social issues. It turned me into a social conservative, I'm voting Republican for the first time in my life in the 2024 elections and will probably continue to do so.

[@DeadpoolX9]

I couldn’t have come up with a better way to drive people away from the democrats than all this nonsense thought policing.

[@TheyCalledMeT]

so it took a first hand experience of biden as president to get cured of voting for the DNC?

[@channel1_channel]

The Republican Party is awful...but at least it is the slightly better arm of the Uniparty.

[@KeytarArgonian]

They are Rational. The problem with Rationality is it can only operate within a set Reality, and as you said, they’ve warped theirs completely. I know people seem to hate Centrists but you really need a middle of the road option over there, or at least some form of semi functional alternative. A Two Party system is horrific if you’re trying to avoid polarisation in a one-size-fits-all system.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

@@KeytarArgonian you are spot on bro. This is what happens when rabid ideological dogma meets reality, I am 100% against any ideological dogma whatsoever because it creates a cult mentality. Ideologues can rag on me all they want for not having an ideological foundation, I've seen this play out on both sides and in a religious context and I'm not going to join their cult...

[@bedlamite42]

sometimes the red pill is a suppository.

[@orangemanbad]

😂😂😂😂 this was a great comment and so true. Many of my Chicago liberal family mostly all union members came kicking and screaming but just couldn’t justify the nazism their party turned to.

[@michaeldavid6832]

And sometimes a bull-et -- and final.

[@rudycontreras9725]

Damn, that’s hilarious!

[@zeenuf00]

the size of a broomstick lol!!

[@meejmuas8686]

Absolute Chad comment! lol

[@johnnixon4085]

Does anyone else see the disconnect in an Armenian working for an outfit called The Young Turks?

[@chrisandsneaky2453]

I saw a video of her several years ago where she was on stage at an event; I think it was a speech she gave on a college campus. An Armenian student stood up and started denouncing her in the Armenian language, which she speaks well enough to understand what he was saying. He was basically calling her a traitor to her people, an Armenian version of a Jewish Nazi or a Black Klansman, for working for the Young Turks. She didn't take it well and got pretty hysterical about it, lol.

[@hyacinthlynch843]

@@chrisandsneaky2453 I would love to see that video. Do you remember the link?

[@chaoswarriorbr]

Yeeeaah She's an Armenian Genocide denier. It came with the package in that deal of working for them because of the ideological sect/cult affiliation. Something like being part of Charles Manson sect in a way (maybe an extreme exaggeration), but the manipulation of the members is there. Well some people still deny the Holocaust or think it was excusable...somehow...insanity! But then again some people look up to Lenin, Stalin, Che, Castro, etc.

[@bunnystrasse]

@@chrisandsneaky2453wanna see itttttt

[@Danandsan44]

Imagine a German guy who denies the holocaust, started a KZbin video with a swastika picture and claim that the swastika is refers to the Buddhism symbol and nothing to do with Nazis. That’s Cenk and young Turks for you.

[@garysmith9823]

If she manages to leave her comfortable mental prison, she owes a lot of people an apology.

[@BlackCanuckTO1970]

She’d be a stronger person for apologizing. We’ll see.

[@meesteranonymous8177]

Lol she won't, she'll go back to her leftist ideals once it's convenient again You people need to wake up, there is no possible unity with leftists.

[@gpower9572]

Wouldn't you just be happy for her that she came to her senses? Why shame her or rub it in.

[@meesteranonymous8177]

I'll believe it when i see it My problem with modern day conservatives is they're too desperate for the left's approval that they end up in a sad pathetic almost endangered state And it's all their fault for compromising too much for so little

[@chrisjones658]

No she doesn't. She's a youtube podcast host not a politician my guy. She hasn't "hurt" anyone. This mentality is sadistic and exactly the kind of thing the extreme left do. We can't live in a world where you also have to prostrate and humiliate yourself for changing your opinion and admitting you were wrong. We do in fact occasionally live in this world and it's part of the reason why Politicians never change their mind, because if they do they are called "u-turners" when most of the time the data changed and thus their views did.

[@blueberrymcphuckerson9821]

The Solzhenitsyn quote/saying Benjamin is referring to is in _The Gulag Archipelago_ where he talks about how the Gulags would eventually once in a while get a legitimate pro-Communist believer (a legitimate ideologue). All the prisoners knew there was no changing and helping these particular prisoners until they felt the boot of the very Authoritarianism they believed in step on their neck hard. You can give them rational arguments, you can show them objective horrible examples; it didn't matter. Until they legitimately felt the very oppression they supported themselves, they'd always have a ridicuous excuse to protect their ego and brainwashing. That's basically what Bejamin and Solzhenitsyn are saying: you can't change these people no matter what untill they feel the wrath of the logical conclusions of their own ideologue beliefs (the power of brainwashing is that strong).

[@Christmas-dg5xc]

I like to point out that the top communists are no different than the top capitalists: They're running businesses, and are only in it for themselves. This is also how Orwell's Animal Farm lays it out. They can only confront this by attempting to show they're acting altruistically in every way, and this they can't do.

[@stevekern7235]

Leftists are being murdered in the US by the Blacks who they purport to champion. The Lesson is underway.

[@jonathanrandall4140]

Mugging by reality

[@truthtalker4038]

I have always been kind of in the middle of the road in politics, but the media had me hating Trump when he first came on the scene! And then I started doing research and I will never forget it! I'm so glad I educated myself and did my research! I wish many more people would! Education doesn't stop when you are done with school. Self education should never stop!

[@Jo-sp5cp]

Ditto with trump. Our behaviour with Russia left me aghast.

[@Sweeptheleg83]

Trump was the ultimate red pill. His Presidency exposed a lot of the issues in our society. They have literally broken every law trying to destroy him. I also loathed him initially then realized I didn't have a good reason for it. Once I had that realization, everything flipped.

[@weignerleigner3037]

Same. For me tho it was literally right after the election I realized the real evil was the people against trump. The hatred was so strong I’d never seen anything like it and the dude hadn’t even been inaugurated yet.

[@anacc3257]

Some of the early criticism of Trump was biased and exaggerated. But he's not a good politician or a good honest person for that matter. He constantly lies, throws people under the bus, denies elections, does childish rants in his online echo chamber and is now facing 90+ charges, many of which seem to be legitimate and something that he's been guilty of. You don't need to lean left or be biased against him to see this. I'd say there's TDS on both sides ,those who despise him no matter what and those who like him no matter what.

[@johnsmithers8913]

Yeah, when he was running for office, they made him out as a buffoon which I accepted. When he won, I thought of it as more humourous than dangerous. However, when the whole ludicrous Russiagate, FBI spying, non stop MSM farce, WikiLeaks....the scales from my eyes fell away.

[@Christmas-dg5xc]

I wish I could find an older clip where an Australian (I think) leftist girl was inadvertently brought to tears by a guy who suggested to her that we weren't all equal in every way, but that decent people go out of their way to help others in areas they're weaker, and expect the same in return. People around him then kept asking him, "what did you do to her," when she had really just realized that what she had been protesting hadn't been evil at all, as she'd been taught to assume.

[@darbyohara]

She realized she was wrong and how stupid she was to be so easily fooled

[@darbyohara]

She realized she was wrong and how stupid she was to be so easily fooled

[@meghan8020]

If u find it - please post it.

[@jackdeniston59]

She has made a bucketload of money selling evil. Nope. No redemption.

[@andyhight9441]

If she really had a change of heart and wants to oppose wokism she she should be able to be given a chance. I don't think that's the case yet, and likely never will be.

[@cloud1stclass372]

Wrong. There is always redemption. What are you, insane?

[@blindlobster]

@@cloud1stclass372 To be fair, would you let a person who was previously a pedophile babysit your children?

[@cloud1stclass372]

@@blindlobster Babysitting a child is now the moral barometer for changing political opinions? There’s like five people in the world I would let babysit my child.

[@andyhight9441]

@@blindlobster Hardly the same thing. But what about someone who held deeply racist views, maybe they even were part of a racist organization like the Klan, but changed their views and now wanted to oppose racism? Would you say no second chance and have them remain a racist?

[@Florida_Woman]

I could not love this man more. It’s been great seeing him make the rounds on some of my favorite shows. Such a sane person… ❤

[@joxyjoxyjoxy1]

Once someone has become emotionally invested in a world view it is next to impossible to reach them with reason.

[@strengthaxlesystem]

much easier to fool someone, than convince them they've been fooled

[@brookebyers1114]

That's a good take on it.

[@Guy_Incognito1]

- Mark Twain

[@poo-e7e]

Dave said cenk taught her everything she knows- that's what's why Ana is so effed up

[@forwardpaunganwa4135]

Yeah! I'm not a fan of old Chunky Yoghurt either!😂

[@johntyrone307]

Dave, I've watched you for many years. I still recall the exact day you became "unwoke" on your show with Larry Elders. Keep up the good fight.

[@r_b5951]

Play write, director, screen writer David Mamet, wrote a book about his conversion from "liberal" to conservative. He titled the book, "The Secret Knowledge". I bought the book mostly to understand the context because that can be interpreted several ways. In a nutshell, Mamet explained why liberals see themselves as superior to, well, everything and everyone else. As Mamet put it, leftist are taught (by other leftist) that they are "imbibed with a secret knowledge that they, and only they, are privy to". The sub-title. "The struggle of the Left to rationalize its position is an intolerable Sisyphean burden. I speak as a reformed liberal."

[@SeraphsWitness]

It's true. What he's describing is called "Positional Epistemology". It's a hallmark of Critical Theory, and ultimately Marxism.

[@clongshanks5206]

Sounds incredibly Nostorian

[@DylanPWN]

She isn't red pilled. She's just FINALLY using her head instead of her emotions (though, there is plenty of that still). The sad thing is, she is still insufferable. It's sad that we need to praise her common sense, because she has lacked it for her whole career. The few times she uses logic and reason is not enough to consider her red pilled. She has a long way to go to finally come back to earth and chances are, she won't actually make it back.

[@Strive1974]

Bill Maher and Ana should go on the "i was wrong" tour

[@Liethen]

Razorfist should go on a "Fuck you I was right!" tour.

[@victorcaldwell2900]

Neither will admit being wrong though

[@seant1821]

Dont kid yourself Bill is very much still lost. Theres a glimmer of hope there but he is still far offshore

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@seant1821 Bill will never swing right... but he and others like him might be just what the Left needs to regain sense.

[@seant1821]

@@Nyet-Zdyes we need sanity to return to those folks. They are gonezo

[@fredrickhorn6374]

It's called GROWING UP!

[@gbonkers666]

Did she suddenly find out that she was wrong....or did they cross one of her lines and she is just being defensive? She was ok until someone called HER herself something she didn't like.

[@LinusPhilly]

That's what I'm wondering... Some of these people will grift one way then when they realize it's a sinking ship, jump on another boat... That doesn't mean that they had an epiphany & realize the error of their ways... It's just means they are opportunistic shit bags. Not saying that's what she's doing but we need to find out if she really realized the wrong that she did & has really changed or if there's another nefarious reason because I have no sympathy nor am I gonna accept the latter.

[@SpartacusColo]

The guest mentions something about her possibly having been attacked by a homeless person and speculates about the Lefty trans mentality impinging on her own identity as a woman. Personally, I think a lot of women are wrestling with the trans issue: there is no definition of "woman" to the Democrats. The issue which has been known as "Women's Rights" for decades, if not centuries, has now been cast away. Some women are listening to things like Riley Gaines' story about having a man in the locker room with them (cock hanging out), and then getting their brains beat in in athletics and wondering if they are supporting the right side.

[@delta-9969]

AFAIK it started when she was sexually assaulted by a hobo (I believe in LA). After talking about it publicly, she was dog-piled by her own side -- anyone who notices all the crime is trafficking in "right wing talking points" and "racist dog whistles" and the rest of it. (because if you admit the crime is a problem, that directly impugns democrat policies. So SOP is "pretend crime isn't happening" and apparently she didn't get the memo.) A few similar instances after that where she unwittingly walked into a woke minefield by stating absolutely normal, uncontroversial opinions. Basically the left has gotten so radical that even people like her are not radical enough. So the same process that has driven most normal people over to the other side is now continuing. The left is eating itself.

[@mykemech]

She began to be overwhelmed with obvious evidence and started looking closer rather than parroting. Once you see one convincing change then you begin exploring more.

[@michaeldavid6832]

She's losing power to women (of the trans variety). You can only convince someone to stop when they experience the creaking of the branch they sit upon -- and which they've been sawing through for years.

[@jackgreene7002]

Its wonderful to hear the transition from Sargon ridiculing Glen Beck, to possibility being common bed fellows with his ideology. I feel that this better understanding benefits all mankind as a whole. Dialog and debate makes us all the stronger. Hopefully Kasparian awakening will make more people aware of the dangers and pitfalls of following the Progressive agenda.

[@paulcarfantan6688]

Yes, let`s hope.

[@inlikeflynn7238]

I worry that conservatives will drive Ana out as a backlash for years of being a spokesperson for Progressive/Liberal ideology. I think if people want to leave the left then we give them a place to go. Shaming people for finally seeing that their ideology is tearing apart our country is not helping anyone.

[@julius43461]

There is no awakening. She is just 10% less regressive but that's it. She is still an insufferable racist harpy.

[@stevenhenry5267]

Lmao

[@siegfriedbraun5447]

The problem with folks like Anna, is that, yes, they will acknowledge the largest of the crap (as minor glitches) and look for corrective action, but will immediately go back to the womb-like safety of their group-think.

[@KravenMoorehead674]

I couldn’t imagine a worse person to learn all my politics from than Chunk Yogurt.

[@kingelvis7035]

Imagine if you were told in 2016 that by 2023 Dave Rubin and Sargon would be talking like this. You'd say it was preposterous.

[@adamgates1142]

I've barely watched these guys since 2016 and they really don't sound that different to me

[@cactusrose9601]

Dave, you have always (& will always!) receive NOTHING but love from this 72-y/o Catholic girl. There is nothing more worthy of respect & praise than courage, & you have it in spades.

[@Gray-soul_81]

In the beginning of this video, there were a lot of words being said that can be whittled down to "people are just prideful and won't admit to being wrong."

[@MatthiasPowerbomb]

Love Carl. I've been a fan of his for many years now, and he's doing great work with the Lotus Eaters. I hope he's right about Ana. Like it or not, she's a big voice, and if she got red-pilled, that would be YUGE.

[@323azteca]

She will become like Dave Rubin! 😂

[@vxskud]

Former leftist here Sargon really hit the nail on the head about leftist morality and why it’s so difficult for people to break away from it

[@Stoddardian]

It's still deeply Christian. It's basically what Nietzsche called slave morality.

[@mikewu2108]

I’m independent. The left said the right move extreme but it’s actually the total opposite. The right didn’t move, they always pretty much the same. The left now move too far left to extremism therefore to the left, they suddenly thinking the right move farther away. Because the left moved farther away to extremism, I end up now backing the right.

[@yourenotmarywelcome8693]

Love seeing Sargon!!! Great guest!

[@charliefortin555]

It is good to have you with us David!

[@barbaragillett9904]

Good to hear Carl great interview 👏👏👏👏👏

[@BearInThaWoods]

The ability to look at someone for whom you have a deep disagreement with on a foundational level but can still treat with respect and even love is sometimes referred to by Christians as grace.

[@oskirules]

Grace is lacking in supply outside of Christianity.

[@RonnieStanley-tc6vi]

@@oskirules . You don't know many non-christians.

[@dougmasters4561]

And inside, sad to say.@@oskirules

[@sneezyfido]

​@@oskirulesI find that vocally self-identified Christians are too full of themselves to have any room left for actual virtues for virtue's sake.

[@adamgates1142]

@oskirules delusional

[@ChadBoss-qr4hl]

Dave makes me so happy to watch. He's such a nice guy and just has this way about him that's just so mild-mannered and yet so on point with his takes and just so reasoned and warm.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Great guest. Hope he's back soon.

[@jamesmorrow1646]

No surprise you want more fascists as guests.

[@richardsmith5477]

Hope Anna K. Wakes up for her own mental health. But to admit she was wrong? Saving face and saying nothing is easier. Takes a strong Man/Woman To admit~~~~

[@ThePhobos100]

I'd be open to respecting her, if she came out of the woke bubble.

[@SpartacusColo]

She's already said that she would flat out "do the same thing" which Rittenhouse did in a recent interview.

[@chaoswarriorbr]

If she can "Woman up" on that, I'll certainly start respecting her a little. But it's like growing up in an abusive family, you can't shake that off easily and it leaves marks on your mind forever, maybe your soul.

[@bryanmclaughlin1048]

It would be amazing to see her talk to David again

[@cookieenthusiast6213]

I am so happy to see interviews again. I really enjoyed and felt informed by The Rubin Report when it was mostly interviews. I do still watch the video commentary or stitch or whatever it is called. But it just doesn't seem the same thing as journalism.

[@hinduismwithpremananddasbhagat]

I think part of it is if you've been in a bad place (i.e. ideology) for a LONG TIME and come out of it - or are on the verge of coming out it - you have to face the conclusion: I supported the enemy, I was wrong, I've endorsed bad things, I was brainwashed, I was a pawn, the friends I pushed away were right, I wasted my life. Who wants to be wrong? Who wants to say they wasted years of their life? That's hard. Its like folks who are in a religious cult. Many stay cause its easier than leaving, and they actively make sure to keep the brainwashing up to not let the voice in the back of their head get through.

[@ASMR_Lighting]

Lovely to see Carl Benjamin! Before politics took over everyone's lives Carl made wonderful readings of the Greek classics on KZbin under the name Sargon, I believe

[@kate2create738]

No wonder he was able to break down everything so well! Knew he had a lot of knowledge of ancient history, but studying Classic Greek literature is full of wisdom.

[@danielbob2628]

I *really* don't like talking about a person on such a personal level without that person present

[@lewisner]

In the UK if you point out the failings of the last Labour government they respond by saying "Blair wasn't a Socialist". Then you point out that when Labour went into a general election with a Socialist leader and manifesto (1983 and 2016) they were absolutely destroyed and they either get abusive or say that Labour voters were misled by the right wing MSM.

[@thomashowe1509]

You forgot 2019 my friend which was the tipping point for a mass rejection of Socialism in Britain. It’s blatantly clear that Socialism on the ballot nationally won’t win. Look at the Red Wall for example. They have no doubt changed their views over time, hence why it has trended massively to the right since the mid 2000’s, but the radical left made there own voters run away from them. Even today the Labour Party have offered no incentive to vote for them, which is ridiculous. I’m no political PHD wonk, but the Labour Party just need one thing to go against them and they lose. Plus I must mention how hated the Labour brand has become in my home of Bishop Auckland and other old school red places. Speaking of Labour here today is like referring to the devil even among the most die hard people. I don’t think they realise how hated they are now among there old voting base when they adopt radical urban policies that are despised by everybody else.

[@darrylkemp3253]

I love when they say the BBC etc is right wing media they are truly a delusional cult

[@LabTech41]

Ana was already experiencing levels of burnout and disillusionment that I thought would've resulted in her resigning from TYT or at least taking a hiatus, and I've even heard that sometimes she has to drink to get through the day; my bet is the only reason she's stayed is because she's very loyal and she's the kind of person who'd think they were letting other people down if she left, and that makes her feel ashamed. Also, my guess is that Cenk's done everything he can to try and keep her in the fold, because he knows the show is doomed without her, and he doesn't REALLY care about her if she's not useful to him. He's probably given her a ton of false encouragement to his Armenian Shield. Eventually though, Ana is going to be put into a moment of crisis, ironically by a situation a leftist will put her in, where she's going to have to make a choice of either going with her career at TYT and keeping her head down on bended knee to leftist ideology, or she's going to have to stand by her principles and leave to find something else. It's only a question of time until she leaves, but the question is how long that'll be.

[@gregginter5867]

Many people regardless of ideology become stuck to their paychecks n lifestyle. It's scary to turn one's back upon known income vs forging ahead w/their principles intact!

[@LabTech41]

@@gregginter5867 Yeah, if Ana wasn't such a toxic, awful person, I'd feel sorry for the shit-filled rut she's trapped in. Honestly, the best case scenario would be for her to quit, find some other way to earn a living, even if it's not as much and there's no fame involved, and she eventually sheds all the leftist indoctrination and ends up a happy person who realizes the evil she did due to the delusions.

[@sm0kegh0st]

Or if she even does.

[@SwitchTalkChannel]

@@gregginter5867 If she has to drink or take drugs or whatever these people do just to get through the day, there is no debate. You get a new job. There are a dozen Right-wing outlets that would love to take her, and pay her fairly well. Of course, a truly moral person would rather be homeless than drinking at work just so they don't cry or worse. You cannot get worse than that without actually committing terrible crimes. A religious person would call that evil, even if she's not really committed evil acts. It's evil in her heart, and a complete failure to change. Drinking to make it through the day is literally selling your soul to the devil.

[@davidvanmersbergen5335]

Anna's arguments ranging from 'I asked my mom' to vocal inflections and many other logical fallacies.... she has a long way to go b4 being respected as a commentator.

[@illuminahde]

Good stuff Carl and Dave

[@anthonyju6392]

Forgive them for they know not what they do. The graciousness and kindness of conservatives is something that should NEVER be taken for granted and should always be appreciated. Dave you are correct to be surprised by it as that is how you should react and behave. It actually takes great strength of character to behave in such a way and we see all around us now how that graciousness and kindness is going. I am just learning about the bible and becoming more religious as I learn more. One thing I can say without a doubt is that while I am not religious myself the ONLY people I enjoy hanging around just on a casual basis are religious people. I can only imagine if they felt the same way how they must feel around me being non-religious.

[@Tinmann_77]

Yes. Forgive people who act out of ignorance for they know not what they do. People like Ana kasparian KNOW what they are doing, they KNOW they are spreading lies and hate to push their narrative and their ideology. That is not acting out of ignorance and is not worthy of forgiveness.

[@darbyohara]

They gotta stop with the grace and forgiveness. These scumbags inflicted so much damage to so many thru the lies. Give them no quarter

[@anthonyju6392]

@@darbyohara It is a sad cycle we have gotten ourselves into but on the other hand I don't see a way out of it.

[@gavinbissell8847]

Amazing that they will force their ideology on others but as soon as it affects them they think twice

[@kate2create738]

Some just continue when faced with what they created, many of them have proven to tyrannical to spite the world to get what they want. A lot of mentally unbalanced people are pulling the strings for control.

[@stevenhenry5267]

That goes both ways

[@ginapereira8948]

Brilliant, love this guy.. enjoyed this! Thanks Dave! ❤️❤️

[@ChuckJansenII]

Dave, I would love to see you have a conversation with Ana. Helping save her could result in a friendship being restored. Redemption is always something we should hope for.

[@caterinadc5567]

Found myself reflecting on why (faithful) Christians, and maybe (faithful) members of certain other religions too, may have an easier time waking up to the reality that we've been part of the problem and turning around and doing better: that's already baked into our belief system. We are sinners. We (especially Christians and especially those who belong to traditions that practice sacramental Confession, i.e. Catholic or Eastern Orthodox) literally, verbally confess our sins to a priest after we commit them. We *know* and *admit* that we're often part of the problem and we need to repent and do better. Maybe it's harder for an atheist who doesn't believe in a forgiving God, and only believes in some unforgiving notion of being judged by 'history' (and never forgiven, like they currently talk as if people from the past are unforgiveable). Reminds me of that notion: The devil tells you sin is no big deal, and then as soon as you sin he tells you it's too late now and you can never be forgiven, and should despair. God tells you that sin is a big deal, and then when you sin he tells you he forgives you and to return to him. Cultural leftism is currently very devilish in this sense. Lures people into ABHORRENT, evil behaviour (child killing, child mutilating, mob 'justice', reputation destruction), then tells them they can never be forgiven if those things turned out to be wrong so they just have to double down. May each be found by God, and receive him and the joy he offers.

[@central_scrutinizr]

This is a profound point. Thank you

[@markalbert1283]

"Virtue knows no limit." Voltaire What most people don't realize is that temperance is a virtue as well and should be the most important virtue to regulate all other virtues. Excess is never good.

[@timnestor3005]

Rush limbaugh woke me up to the truth thirty five years ago. Where have you been?😂

[@atlasking6110]

It never made sense for Ana to be far-left. She's too attractive.

[@positivepsycho2932]

I know right. Especially early on TYT. She was very pretty, she still is. She just seems too fucking angry.

[@zodglubby]

Far too attractive. She puts her hair up to tone it down, barely works

[@ThePhobos100]

Her woke ideology is a turn off.

[@anacc3257]

@@ThePhobos100 She isn't that woke. TYT's segments are generally ok and fair nowadays.

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

​@@anacc3257are they ? I haven't touched their content since 2010 beside watching the trump election wining meltdown.

[@mdhen4]

If Ana apologizes to Dave, we can then give her some credit for turning around.

[@MyIncarnation]

I think the problem lies with the belief that one must identify and attach oneself to being Left-wing or Right-wing. In doing so and not wanting to be ostracized from the group, one slavishly follows the group-think of that particular wing. Whatever it is one perceives that wing an individual is expected to follow. The position and ideology of both these wings has evolved over the years and if one considered himself to have belonged to Left-wing ideology say 20 or 30 years ago and did not move from that position, he/she would be considered belonging to the Right-wing today. This freedom of the individual morality which emanates from both Left and Right (the right to bear arms is an example from the Right) will continue to be pushed by various groups until there are no boundaries left and being critical of any group will be criminalized. A court in Switzerland sentenced a writer and commentator to 60 days in jail for calling a journalist a “fat lesbian,” and the decision is being lauded by LGBTQ+ groups.

[@MrEd6066]

Ultimately everyone is or will be a victim of that ideology. Totalitarianism is total after all. I have hope that Ana figures it all out, it's a hard road.

[@musicandfiction]

Ana has to take the road on her own until the information is too much to handle, and needs a guide to assist; or until she breaks down completely and has her entire being reforged, but it takes being fully broken before that happens.

[@jonjonr6]

The reality is, many of today's "conservatives" are really classic liberals. And today's "liberals" are just counter-culturalists who follow authoritarians. Case in point, they keep pushing further left because as they gain ground, their counter-culturalist ideology forces them to move on. The more they see their cutting edge ideas become supported in the media, the more they have to find new cutting edge ideas. I feel a bit sorry for them. Their gaming culture compulsively, and they don't know why. Social media only feeds that need and desire to be on the bleeding edge. Most of them seem to be white kids from wealthier classes. They're bored. They're not challenged by life. So they're pushing boundaries. I believe that most of them are doing this stuff as a great big troll. But they get sucked in such that they can't stop. This is why people like Ana are having a difficult time.

[@BudaKhan420]

People need to take the red pill at their own pace on their own time.

[@davidpeterson7605]

This is the playbook, by all sides. I want X to be done. When X is a reality that goes against the group/person that wanted X, they wake up!

[@royaustin4081]

Love Carl very rational and thoughtful!

[@shanecameron6182]

Might be interesting to get her on your show to tell her reason for her change, and a show of good will also the the other side is not your enemy.

[@M-S_4321]

Would she have the capability yet to hear anything other than: 'Told you so.'?

[@tedlogan4867]

The wall is undefeated.

[@fromnzwhoisalsohalfindien]

Great job guys!

[@jsto2466]

"Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong." -Zuby

[@timgt5]

I am not a leftist but I have followed TYT on and off for years, just because I feel I need to get a look into how folks like this actually think when given long form to explain their perspective. I noticed Ana has gone from Cenk "Yes Girl" to openly arguing with him and appearing with Ben Shapiro. That is not to say she is going to have a slot on the Daily Wire anytime soon, but she has come to realize at some point these ideas from the academy will sooner or later careen over the cliff, she is seeing this play out in CA and is trying to hit the brakes. Perhaps she will continue her journey toward a better understanding of the world. hope she does. Cenk on the other hand is a committed ideologue who will stand in the middle of a post-apocalyptic ruin and declare that his ideas just have not been tried enough.

[@merlin1649]

Never give her Red-Pill credit. For Pete's sake, she just tried to Me-too Jimmy Dore.

[@Fnelrbnef]

I always had hope for her.

[@ezekielbrockmann114]

The Portrait of Dorian Grey explains Leftist "Morality" very accurately. I have family members who refuse to look in the mirror, because doing so would demand repentance and the act of accepting responsibility for destroying my brother's life.

[@wy-erica-wtf]

Great content, Dave!

[@Fulltilt1973]

“Progress means getting nearer to the place you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turn, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; and in that case the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man.” ― C.S. Lewis

[@ajossi]

Not if I can chance there's no redemption for people like her.

[@johnsmithers8913]

Also, I don't think her type of rapid Leftism can be red pilled. I believe it's just a psychotic Narcissism that drives people and they warp their ideology to maintain their perceived power. I'm sure most of these Leftists, if hardcore Islam took over tomorrow, would be growing beards, wearing burqas and be throwing gays off buildings even though yesterday they were full supporters of trans in women's sports and their locker rooms. It has nothing to do with society from these people, it's about themselves and their own place in it.

[@deansusec8745]

I have LITERALLY been saying for two years that Ana doesnt even know but she is a closet libertarian!

[@docteroperation]

I think its important for Ana to help undue the damage she has done through her influence on her audience. She has to realize it herself then help lead others.

[@TheZoePath]

Congrats on crossing over 2 MILLION SUBS!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@MarkRVillano]

I don't believe that Ana came to her belief system organically, via her own life's experiences, so much as it was spoon fed to her by the person who gave her her first meaningful break in the world of paid social media. So in that respect, I can only assume that at one time she had a foundation that was based in reality and sanity.

[@AureliusProject]

This is how the university system creates all these leftist. You have a bunch of what to do gooders that are around 20 years old looking for purpose. And suddenly a bunch of “successful” people tell them how to be and it’s almost always propaganda.

[@loganm986]

A red pilling is a personal process. You cant force them. Your job is to prevent them going mad in the transition

[@princeofthecats9131]

Jesus even said he who isn't for me is against me. There you go, enough, said.

[@patchesblue155]

He also said, let those among you without sin cast the first stone...

[@michaelanthony4750]

Sometimes people need negative emotions to improve. That's why making everyone feel good and validating everything is evil.

[@Blankfbuser]

Dave, it’s not that we “want you to talk about it” it’s that we have to be the better side. She did say horrible things about you, but she was in a different (captured) mind set at the time. She probably thought you betrayed her. Now that she’s waking up you need to help and guide her. We must embrace people who finally decide to wake up to the truth. No matter what happened in the past.

[@julius43461]

Yeah, but that woman was on another level. She was one of the worst regressives for years, and has blood on her hands just like everyone else on TYT does. Their viewers have literally killed people inspired by their insane rhetoric.

[@robfromvan]

Or you can just go, “hahaha, told you I was right!!”

[@julius43461]

She is not waking up, she is just slightly less regressive. Still a racist POS.

[@damac5136]

Awesome book shelf behind Carl.

[@dabidibup]

Knowledgeable =/= moral Left prides itself in being smart, more so then moral

[@chaoswarriorbr]

They're neither when the ends meet.

[@rodrigoserafim8834]

More important than "waking up" or "realizing the truth" is actually acting according to it. I am glad that Ana is finally seeing a glimpse of the landscape of reality through the mist of woke gaslight. The question now is if she will walk on it, and not just say she will or ask others to walk for her.

[@californiadreamer2580]

Don't think AK is mentally/ intellectually capable of self reflection or insight due to the persistently shallow thought process she has consistently demonstrated.

[@generaljackson1741]

she hasnt been red pilled. not at all. she doesnt like being called birthing person and doesnt like taxes

[@jessicasorl]

The weird irony that term being “Red Pilled” is from the movie the Matrix which was written by 2 Transgender Women.

[@FootballClubDavid_WI_USA]

Biological males, and they did not suffer from gender dysphoria at the time. But you are correct, they both currently have severe mental health disorders.

[@jessicasorl]

@@FootballClubDavid_WI_USA another 85 IQ response I see.

[@SunshineLoLypops]

If you've ever watched "Cloud Atlas" you'd know the depths of their insanity. But you just spout the same NPC IdPol nonsense.

[@ValChronification]

​@@jessicasorlwhy did you pick 85 specifically? Hmmmmmm!

[@jonathandrake8640]

Ham-fisted corollary of the usage of "red pill" and the trajectory of film creators private lives as ironic in 2023 is a specious one at best. This is weird only when a brand of lazy logic prevails, given there's a 90+% Hollywood Left bias. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. lol

[@undefined7141]

Who cares how does this dialogue change anything. We need action not set dressing. Let’s start a movement on this platform Dave.

[@gregoblv5561]

Dave, I don't know if you will see this, but one of the issues of being 70 years old is that I have seen and heard things that have been forgotten or suppressed from the past. In the 70's there was a study that talked to a lot of people and their results found that in our personal views we were mostly liberal with things like gay, sex, race and things of that type. Also we tended to support and try to uplift the down trodden and not look down on them. But when it came to politics we were on the conservative side of the ledger. I have never left that balance and I don't see those things in people, but I have gone farther to the right due to the left. I was married for 30+ years and have 4 kids from that marriage, but now I am remarried to a trans-girl and have no issue in any of this. I still don't see those things, but I see issues with bad people that happen to be gay, black or something else and hold that against them not all. Take care of you babies and spend as much time with them as you can because the teen years are just around the corner and they will have their own lives to live then and you and David will be less of a part of their lives.

[@MJHdesproj]

It's exactly like the Salem witch trials. My US history teacher put it like this to me: imagine the only way to not be branded a child molester was to go along with someone else's story about a third person because the mob already believed it. So it's that terrible of a thing to be, you know they aren't, but only through participating in their accusal can you avoid the same fate. It's not hard to understand why people are so willing to be willfully ignorant or dismissive of the consequences of the entire process they are participating in...

[@balzonyr4head]

I love your channel, you should come to NC sometime and I'll put you in my racecar, I think you'd have a hell of a hoot turning laps!

[@BobbyCarby]

I had to share what you said about the way conservatives embrace you. That was really moving.

[@iancamarillo]

The negative consequences of doubling down on ego

[@Amehdion]

You guys give Anna WAY too much credit. When she says she doesn't want to be called a "birthing person" She wasn't having an epiphany, she was having tantrum.

[@VancouverInvestor]

Same thing?

[@tpersoage]

It was TYT, specifically Cenk and Anna, who red pulled me around 2015. For the this I’m grateful for them.

[@DavidSharpMSc]

Where is the full version of this?

[@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu]

Wait!!!!!!!!!!! Did we go back in time?!?!

[@davidR9410]

The entire world is being hit in the face with the consequences of that morality