THIS Is Why They Lied About Our History...

💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥 Tomiwa Owolade dissects the reasons behind the recent historical inaccuracies featured within a song on the BBC's 'Horrible Histories'.
Tomiwa Owolade is the author of ‘This is Not America: Why Black Lives in Britain Matter’, a book which was chosen as a non-fiction highlight of 2023 in The Times, Guardian, Observer, Irish Times and New Statesman. The book is available here: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1838956212/
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[@rachmann516]

It's not that they're living in a fictional world. That is not the travesty. It's that the lie is being foisted on society and it always ends badly if not stopped at the onset. You have to slap them hard in the face-metaphorically-to wake them up if you want to save your society and nation

[@curiaregis9479]

The truly insidious thing, that which is killing Western Civilization, is that the plan of the usual suspects to lie their way to a demographic shift that effectively displaces and diminishes white people in every white nation, is that IT WON'T WORK. IT WILL NEVER WORK if measured by the standard of creating a peaceful, unified, prosperous nation. Race is real. Blacks, as a group, are SIGNIFICANTLY less intelligent and more prone to criminality. There are similar cultural and BIOLOGICAL differences with people from the middle East. It's like water and oil to mix these with white Europeans. Just because some minimal amount of "diversity" seems functional, when a critical mass is hit, when whites become a minority, it all falls apart. But the point is to destroy white racial homogeneity first, then deal with the consequences later. It's vile. Segregation is not an evil, it's a sensible way to PRESERVE racial diversity and create nations with internal harmony. We know from twin studies and expat studies and IQ data and socioeconomic data and more recently the human genome project that race is NOT merely "skin deep," but rather a human subspeciation that has a massive impact on civilization. Culture IS downstream from biology. See 'A Troublesome Inheritance' by Nicholas Wade or 'Human Diversity' by Charles Murray for relatively recent information from the human genome project. The racial egalitarian propagandists aren't anti-racist, they are ANTI-WHITE.

[@JustMe-zk9dc]

Hey this episode of Triggernometry is full of misinformation. Was this intentional ? Have any of you read a book with all the inscriptions ect from the Roman era in Britain ? They are out there. Silly question really because if you had you would know of the considerable black presence in Roman Britain. Quintus Lollius Urbicus Governer, Victorinus I guess we would call him a spy, Mennon a gladiator I could go on. But point made methinks. Now your gonna say these were Moors and they are tanned folk. Take St Maurice the most important Roman Solder in European History, he was from Egypt and martyred in modern day Switzerland. The Holy Roman Emperors built a Cathedral to him and yes he the darkest man you've ever seen. So bang goes the theory of ancient Egyptians & other North Africans of the time being mostly lightly tanned. Plus read Father of history Herodotus on what an Egyptian is, Ammianus Marcellinus and other you'll soon find on the colour of people from north Africa in ancient times was majority black. Back to St Maurice he was the patron saint of the Holy Roman Empire and his sword and lance where used in Crowning the Holy Roman Emperors right up until there abdication in 1916. He is also the Patron Saint of European many military orders and the German town of Coburg. On the coat of arms of Coburg St Maurice is again the blackest man you've ever seen. Tiggernometry ! I think a better name for your show should be Fakernometry.

[@kramrollin69]

Can the triggerites please explain, why do white natives peoples of the UK, insist on calling anyone from anywhere on the sub continent or its environs, "South Asians"?. As far of the rest of the World is concerned, Asians are Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc etc. Indians are Indians, Pakistanis are Pakistanis, etc etc. As they are flooding Oz as well, Not Once has any Indian or Pakistan person etc referred to themselves as Asian, or even south Asian here....they call themselves Indians etc etc. As we also have plenty of Asians here too, it is obviously a difference. Perhaps you don't have many real Asians in the UK? Is that why?

[@rachmann516]

​@@kramrollin69 - I think its the media and/or middle easterners themselves who avoid use of the "middle eastern" label, bc of the stigma (terrorists) attached to it.

[@mrmeldrew693]

The fact the taxpayer funded BBC is allowed to make 'educational' programmes for kids that tell blatant lies should be a national scandal.

[@sandpiper9288]

Amongst other national scandals. It all requires the public being told the truth though so not going to happen. Brits should look to China for ways of improving their freedoms.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

Defund it NOW!

[@redprince3158]

Defund the BBC 😀

[@sabbracadabra8367]

Defunding them is not enough. They are a criminal organisation that should have been raided by armed police, and everyone investigated and face trial. The only reason this hasn't happened is because the police, government, and justice system are all completely corrupted, just like the BBC.

[@trevorhoward7682]

BBC, according to Diane Abbott, is an organisation called Black Boys Can. It is intended to promote black boys educationally, to the exclusion of all others. Partly funded by the National Lottery. Can't possibly be racist can it?

[@reneroo277]

I will never understand this. I am a black woman. I was born in England and have lived here all my life. I can count on one hand how many times anyone has been obviously and overtly racist to me over the course of 40 years! The majority of people here are decent, irrespective of ethnicity. I have never felt held back or discriminated against. I have done well on my own merit. I have friends from across ethnicities and backgrounds. I simply do not understand where this false narrative about victimhood comes from and I vehemently disagree with the idea that there are white supremacists around every corner! Prejudice exists in all communities and groups. We need to stop highlighting differences and build on what unites us - our common humanity is just one of them!

[@a64738]

It is all lies... Just like when they closed down all comments fields in Norway and most of the world on the internet claiming it was full of bullies and trolls... What they called bullies and trolls was people that called the media out when they tried to present lies as news so they had to remove the comments fields.

[@jimmyh4790]

Do you think most black British people would agree with you? I sincerely hope so!

[@UncleMichaelable]

The communists need to divide us.

[@StimParavane]

Because there is a lot of money and status in victimhood and race grifting.

[@MrRodwatson]

But how would "THEY" distract and control us then.....🤔🙄🤨

[@kane2239]

This is happening in Scandinavia as well and now they try to tell us vikings were often arabs and black.... Also they tell us Sweden was always a land of immigrants... when the truth is we were one of the most homogenous people until just reacently...

[@garrywynne1218]

This is tragic

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

Vikings were Arabs? Blacks? With blonde hair and blue eyes? Could their lies be any more transparent.

[@kane2239]

No, but we are told we are racists if we don't agree. Sweden has gone completely nuts - believe me... I live here. Wokeness everywhere and such a huge immigration from the mena-countries, that we risk being a minority in our own country in 30-40 years. There is no country in the world that has ever had an immigration like this (percentage-wise).

[@garrywynne1218]

@@kane2239 - who’s going to pay the welfare bills that these people rely on when all the locals have up sticked and gone?

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

@kane2239 Sorry, I don't know if you thought maybe I was calling you a liar but I was trying to say that the whole idea that Vikings were black, when they had blond hair and blue eyes, is such an obvious lie on their part it's ridiculous. I've edited my original comment to try and clarify what I meant.

[@porflepopnecker4376]

This has got to be the ultimate in "cultural appropriation."

[@ivancar555]

It's okay when non whites do it though!

[@99eewing]

TND required

[@editorrbr2107]

If a black African were walking around 13th century English countryside, we damn well would have heard about it.

[@GenXamerica]

Because their wasn’t transportation to do so. That might be the logical reason. But logic has died.

[@seanjones180]

We did hear about it but don't let your lack of education get in the way of your ideology

[@snowflakemelter1172]

​@@LTNetjakyou're brain is broken.

[@rtflone]

@@GenXamerica The Romans made it to England all the way from Italy, and the English had no problem getting to Ireland Scotland and France. There was plenty of "transportation" in the 13th century..

[@johnowens5342]

​​@@rtfloneRome was a sea power, which African nation had the ability to build ships capable of reaching England in the 13th century? Crossing a sea required ships. The point isn't transportation but appropriate transportation and a national will for expansion.

[@karlostj4683]

"Why do we do that?" People lie for basically two reasons: (1) To get something they don't deserve, and (2) To avoid losing something they never earned.

[@Zizuzazu]

Not to be pedantic, but there's a whole host of other reasons as well.

[@karlostj4683]

@@Zizuzazu I'm curious - can you give me one? I'm wondering whether it might boil down to the two I listed.

[@aldgate]

​@@karlostj4683 If you've been cheated out of something you could lie to get it back Giving the wrong phone number to creepy person at a bar telling your children that Santa exists because you find it funny the list could go on

[@thecollective1612]

@@karlostj4683 destruction of property. you don't gain or lose anything. But people lie to avoid consequences. I would add to your list 3) to avoid a negative result to ones actions or inaction's.

[@The_Mongoose]

@@karlostj4683 To save lives.

[@craigpepper4779]

We are undoubtedly living through the most objectively stupid era of human history. Where truth is vilified and "Feelings" and Lies are held in greater regard than Fact or Logic.

[@SimonsFavoritoMuzikk]

The result of feminisation, unfortunately.

[@alejandromaldonado6159]

Feminism and Communism

[@spifferooni]

It's called "The Cretinacious Age"

[@NobodyAsked-xh8cs]

More like "this crap applies to those in the media, not anyone outside of their little bubbles."

[@Zizuzazu]

It seems you haven't studied history, or you buy into historic bullshit.

[@MrKingalow]

"Those who control the present, control the past. Those who control the past, control the future." - Orwell

[@NobodyAsked-xh8cs]

"This is why I'm hot, I don't need to write. I can sell a million saying nothing on the books." - Sowell.[

[@MrKingalow]

@@NobodyAsked-xh8cs I love Thomas Sowell. Too bad he wasn't president about 30 years ago. America would be much different now.

[@captainplatinum]

Everything is being re written so we won’t hold them to account for decimating our culture.

[@user-uz1rk1oj4x]

That is a very true and profound statement.well said.

[@szoenzsoenmiles62]

«what culture ?»

[@user-uz1rk1oj4x]

@@szoenzsoenmiles62 the respect and manners culture and decency law abiding culture.

[@szoenzsoenmiles62]

@@user-uz1rk1oj4x the point of my comment as i applied quotes on it was not that i mean it but to show its already a thing they say They claim western country has no history/culture or lied about it , which helps them rewrite it Confirming the main comment

[@user-uz1rk1oj4x]

@@szoenzsoenmiles62 please respond so I can tear your nasty attitude apart.

[@comfibold]

The BBC also claimed their were 95 genders.

[@TallisKeeton]

yea, so as for me thats enough to know how belivable they are :)

[@Tefera-hf8fw]

In Englishhh please

[@larryroyovitz7829]

I'm amazed how much up front and obvious gas lighting there is today by the media, government, educaton and special interest groups.

[@mspoints4fre123]

It's funny how that is their new favorite term to use as well.

[@hrafnofthule5962]

Yes, they lark on about disinformation etc, 😂. Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

[@knightdad9969]

I agree the way these 3 twats misrepresent the Peckham shop incident is disgusting.

[@nemo6686]

The British people love it; when was the last time they voted against any of that - 1987? Show them the BBC's awfulness and they'll say "I couldn't do without The Archers."

[@LeeRaldar]

Presumably international air travel was far more developed in the neolithic era than previously thought.

[@icdgyixify]

All invented by Mary Seacole.

[@davidcooke8005]

In fairness, in some parts of the world the neolithic era lasted until the late 1800, early 1900's, so they didn't miss flight by more than a couple of decades.

[@richland1980]

Failing to support massive illegal immigration is not being anti immigration.

[@Marshallgill]

People who illegally enter a country with no intention of ever assimilating to that culture can not honestly be called immigrants. They are, by definition, invaders. They should be treated as such.

[@theAEDan]

The English make up only 75% of their country now and that figure is dropping. At this stage it’s totally reasonable to be anti-immigration

[@curtishand6180]

Supporting legal immigration isn't the mark of righteousness

[@JonnyCrackers]

@@curtishand6180 Who said it was?

[@curtishand6180]

@@JonnyCrackers 50 years of political voices

[@haterade3.029]

I just want a giant asteroid for Christmas to end this disgusting madness

[@duncanmills391]

Am with you on that!

[@rogertull8888]

I ALREADY SENT MY CHRISTMAS LIST, THAT IS AT THE TOP, THEN AN ALIEN INVASION TO PUT A STOP TO THE WOKE BULLSHIT

[@Indygo9]

Don't worry. Global warmings got you covered.

[@DavidYorkshire]

Most Ethnic Europeans never got a say in the forced transformations that have occurred in their homelands. We have, "for the boon that is diversity", endured the rape of countless women and children, mass murder and violence, job losses via replacement quotas, the lowering of our standard of living, and all the while being told we are racists, especially if we say anything against it. It is a perverse situation. It is time to rectify it.

[@StephenGillie]

Leftists deciding that certain groups need certain charity, other groups need other charity, and one group needs no charity. And also them working to make their bad vision of the world into a reality.

[@Sujad]

Blame the Jews. Every single NGO or social justice movement for "multiculturalism" is a Jew. In Ireland there was a Jewish activist called Briana Fitzsimons. Who comes from Peurto Rico and German Ashkenazi Jewish descent, claiming to be black and Irish. After being caught for what she is, she deleted her Twitter account. If you can still find it, look up the animated comedy short Anti Racist Hitler. All of the speeches he gave pushing multiculturalism come from Jews.

[@aidananstey9848]

After George Floyd and BLM in 2020 the S&P 500 business's in the US have hired just 6% white people, the majority of the Country are now living under a tyranny of the minority, and if anyone dare complain they just get called a WS. Smh.

[@MiguelDLewis]

You got a say the moment European Empires decided to invade foreign lands. Ethnic Europeans did the same thing to Rome when they conquered you. History just keeps repeating.

[@frankb389]

well said

[@randypowell3180]

More people need to read Orwells "1984" The parallels between that book and what is happening now are frightening.

[@Lovemy911]

Absolutely correct my friend..... A very sad state of affairs entirely

[@jvaralves]

If you think that's what's happening, you need to read that book again xD

[@randypowell3180]

@@jvaralves So you are saying it's much worse then.

[@NobodyAsked-xh8cs]

More like "More people need to spam 1984 wherever possible at places where it doesn't exist, so everyone can see it no matter where they live."

[@carolarmer1204]

​@@jvaralvescameras in your TV,I phone etc that if they wished could be switched to view you , cameras and other technology to track movement of people on every corner , endless wars i.e. war on climate , war on racism as well as actual continuous wars since the early 90's like Kosovo war ,war in Iraq, war in Afghanistan , woke ideology where your told who and what to hate , people on mass banging pots and pans for the NHS and so on , and so on we could go where we could draw comparisons with reality and a book called 1984 .

[@victorfaasuamaleaui]

Polynesian guy here, I actually helped build the Great Wall of China

[@minazalnasky9134]

I read that in a book they tried hiding from us.

[@Roundhead75]

For a culture and country thats hated , they sure wana join in on our history.

[@kmg501]

Yep, it is just brow beating BS.

[@TheScience69]

They want to appropriate our culture

[@ddonchiji]

Just check out the number of Nigerians fleeing their country to get to the U.K.

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@TheScience69 That's like saying Britian appropriated Christianity from Africans. "I am black and beautiful." - Song of Solomon 1:5 "Moses married an Ethiopian woman." - Numbers 12:1 "I am the Lord thy God from Egypt." - Hosea 13:4

[@Canthatcrazy]

Yep and come over by the boatload every hour

[@alexthomson3001]

It was when they stated Septimius Severus was "Black" because he was from Africa... despite us Knowing he was of mixed Punic (a middle eastern people) and Roman ancestry. There's even a story recorded later (so of uncertain accuracy) of him being openly racist to an "Ethiopian" (black) soldier in the Legions in Northern England, and demanding he be removed from his sight, as his skin colour was a "bad omen"!

[@IrishCinnsealach]

Good stuff I've literally just made the same point about septemus Also the historia Augusta is a great source of information to use to debunk this culture vulture afrocentrist propaganda

[@Jab-vl3bw]

This helps explain the rise in mental issues especially in younger people!

[@josephmorelli3408]

They used the same rationale for the book "Roots". The author himself said it was a lie.

[@DarkAngel2512]

Yet Pearl got grief for stating this and called racist

[@Phangmaster]

I'm SO sick of hearing about racism that I've actually stopped caring about it altogether, and I've started to genuinely look down on "a certain demographic of people" which I know is wrong, but I can't help it, because all I see is those people acting like savages. A tragic shame, it never used to be like this.

[@RespectMyAuthoritaah]

#MeToo

[@seanjones180]

"I'm so sick of hearing about racism that I carry on being a racist cxxt" wow bro least your owning your idiocy

[@MiguelDLewis]

Charles Darwin started it. Darwinism is to blame for this backlash. You can't exclude black people from European history and not expect them to eventually find the truth.

[@akashaedge1379]

@@MiguelDLewis i also have fond memorys of the great whites in americans and african history. oh how my heart pounds in excitement when i think about white icons like martin luther king or rosa parks who stood up against white on white rasicm, the delight i get from dwelling in the historycal significance and the pure impact white people like nelson mandela or robert mugabe had by standing up to power and freeing white poeple from opression.... okay enough of that sharade, do you see how fucking stupid and annoying rewriting history is? just stop it and start to learn some history.

[@Noeasyhandle]

⁠@@seanjones180thats the point they are making smart guy. They are exasperated from being told they are racist no matter what they do, all the while feeling the actual racism that is openly used against them daily. The stinking hypocrisy deepens the divide. Not racism, reality.

[@cherylthommo1]

When I first came to the UK In 1980 I worked with two black ladies. One African, one Jamaican. The Jamaican lady used to ignore her when we had the tea round. I asked why and was told that one was still blaming the other for the slave trade

[@jayinwood647]

That’s very interesting 🤔

[@bricaaron3978]

The story illustrates an important point, but I regret to say I have a hard time believing it actually happened!

[@Smokey348]

Suprised to see that. Normally its blaming anyone who is percieved as ''white''

[@AurumEtAes]

White people didn’t kidnap slaves from sub Saharan Africa. The slaves were sold by other black Africans. So I could understand why there would be tension between West Indians and Africans

[@toothpick4649]

I live in Australia, but I lived in England until the family left to emigrate in 63 as a young boy, I attended a large boy's school in the North there were NO Black boys attending in fact, I never ever saw a Black person in England. I always remember watching the Commonwealth Games in the 80s in a pub in Melbourne and a black person was thanking everyone after winning a Medal he had a strong Yorkshire accent. Everyone in the pub was cracking up laughing because they had never heard a black person speaking like that. Not really that long ago.

[@hach2023]

First time I heard a "real live" Indian speak without an Indian accent :- 1974 or 75 ... Bus conductor in London. Cockney as a barrow boy in Bow. My mate and I down in London for a concert (Elton John). Speechless ! For a short time. He laughed at us "Where you go'in guv" All the black or Asian people we met were "mostly" fresh off the boat. We had one family of West Indians in our school.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I'm an American. Hearing a black person with some kind of English accent seemed so strange to me when I was a kid.

[@knightdad9969]

Racist twat

[@cherrob48]

I was born in North Queensland 75 years ago, and went to a State school. We had aboriginal children in our school. All local State schools, primary and high school did! The only schools that were single sex schools were PRIVATE schools where you had to pay. State schools were free for everyone. The truth is that is why you had no black boys in your school! Black families, like MOST white families, could not afford to send their kids to a private school!!!

[@pazturbator]

I am Australian, imagine if the ABC made a video saying white people helped with Dreamtime stories.

[@ljdasilva3139]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue has been removed and streets and buildings have been renamed, every date has been altered. History has been altered. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” George Orwell - 1984. It’s a cruel world.

[@user-yl1xy5eg7b]

What is now being done is verging on Marxism, if not actual Marxism, qua the long march of Cultural Marxism through the institutions, as propounded by the Frankfurt school. "The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history", George Orwell, "1984".

[@MiguelDLewis]

What has been falsified in the song "Been Here From the Start"? Septimius Severus, Aurelian Moors, John Blanke, Catalina of Motril, and Cheddar Man all seem to be based in fact.

[@bretave7379]

@@MiguelDLewis Seem, LOL.

[@AmirDarkOne]

@@MiguelDLewis non of them are black

[@matthewatwood8641]

​@@MiguelDLewis🙄

[@519djw6]

*The movie that I was most "gobsmacked" by was someone's spurious retelling of Beowulf, the greatest English epic poem. It's true that "Beowulf" takes place in Scandinavia, and that England is not even mentioned--but many of Beowulf's "warriors" were black people wearing pink leotards !*

[@davyr847]

I find it strange that whenever i ask someone to give me an example of a less racist/more tolerant country or society than the UK or America, they can never seem to give me answer

[@stuartannetts300]

You should ask what country has done more to abolish slavery as well.

[@kramrollin69]

Or ask, which country Never had slavery in the first place?@@stuartannetts300

[@cptrelentless80085]

I’ve lived I’m the US, and they are all racists, every last one of them. They are all completely ghettoised so this is why they label each other, it’s a self-perpetuating cycle. When I was in Las Vegas it wasn’t so bad because as a new city it was more based on class than race, but anywhere older than the 70s was completely insular.

[@Kelnx]

Oh they sometimes will give an answer, but they'll pick a country that is almost completely homogenous like Japan, and not even understand just how racist a lot of countries like that actually are. Everyone has lost their minds when it comes to racism, and in fact the entire meaning of the word has been twisted. Actual racism in countries like the US and UK and Canada is pretty isolated and in action usually relegated to typical backwards thinking and "otherism", which is as ubiquitous to human beings as having two eyeballs. Actual "white supremacists", the constant boogeyman of the Left, were almost non-existent outside of very rural areas in certain parts of the US and it was dying out even there and probably even more rare in the UK if my understanding is correct. They're still rare but it should be no surprise to anyone that there has been an increase in white supremacist ideology over the past decade, particularly among despondent young white males who feel like they are being told at every turn that they are evil just for existing. The Left wants to create actual white supremacists so they can have their marxist revolution, and they'll cajole white males until they get what they want. That's why things like what the BBC is doing exist. It's not "to help minorities feel better about themselves". It's to poke a stick at white people in Britain to get them angry. All of this wokeism in the West is all about tearing down western civilization so that it can be rebuilt from the ashes into some thing that can better be controlled. The Left sees it as their chance to finally advance Markism full tilt, and their puppet masters the "Elite" see it as a way to finally establish full control over humanity.

[@coe3408]

Yes. In my opinion, as a Brazilian, the UK is the most tolerant society in the world. Perhaps together with the Netherlands.

[@xavierdraco33]

We’re living in a politicians world. Where it’s their ‘truths’ and they are never held responsible for anything that happens.

[@2trichoptera]

Glad this is being called out. Africa must have an incredibly rich history, but we hear nothing about it. Why not?

[@bretave7379]

Rich in Minerals, and that's it.

[@user-lv5rd6kb5o]

@@bretave7379 The africans had slaves mine those minerals when they weren't ritualistically slaughtering about 40,000 of them a day each year.

[@blameyourmamma]

Rich history? The only history coming out of Africa is a history of civil war and rogue governments. They've contributed absolutely nothing to society, and they've had plenty of time to fix the problem.

[@underthetrees4780]

There's lots of history, but much less is recorded. Same with Native American history, it's largely an oral history, with large empires who developed writing like the Mayans and Aztecs being notable exceptions. That's what history captures, large empires that recorded a written history, the rest is anthropology.

[@rayclam8079]

Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history the pure- blooded African has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calender, a plow, a road, a system of measurement, or even a wheel.

[@mellowtron214]

*America isn’t a “nation of immigrants” either. We were a British colony, and something like 95% of the immigrants in America today have arrived in the last 40 years. At its height, immigrants made up around 15% of the US population. That isn’t a nation of immigrants, that’s a nation with an abnormally large amount of immigrants, but to downplay that the average American was a European English speaker for virtually all of our history just seems like yet another white-phobic rewriting of history to serve the minoritarian centric worldview that is so popular today. I’ve always seen multiple articles and talking heads driveling on about how this tiny Asian ethnic group in Ukraine is “Europeans ONLY indigenous group”. They want to deny your right to your motherland, to then have a moral justification for having a double standard on mass migration. The UN has its own codes for indigenous rights, where they support the indigenous ethnic group giving their native culture, customs, arts, languages, foods, music etc a special legal protection that cannot he molested. But imagine if the British did that? That would he seem as horrific, to prevent your own cultural genocide. It’s the same as it’s ever been, when white people do something that myriad other societies do, it’s considered deeply racist because whites did it, and only racist for whites to do. If the Cherokee and Tar Tars want to protect their shit, the world supports them 110%, but if any rando white group wants the same? That’s genocidal fascism boys, can’t do it.*

[@LunaticReason]

You are immigrants in the sense that the first nations/clovis people native to the land got here first and owned the land and the people we consider Americans came after.

[@Stephen-lx9nm]

​@@LunaticReasonBut the country everyone calls America ,which all the third world wants to come to was founded by white Europeans, if you weren't part of that you are an immigrant ,except African Americans.

[@Stephen-lx9nm]

​@@LunaticReasonWhatvdo you think about South and Central America ,why do the Spanish get an easy ride .They committed genocide to numerous native tribes ,most notably the Aztecs and Mayans .Thats right those countries are poor compared to English speaking countries so it proves its all about economics 😂

[@ultimateme3049]

Oh fuck off, if you are going thios route, then all Americans are invaders that decimated the native populations and should fuck off right back to Europe, what a moron you are.

[@user-vk4el9oy6m]

It always makes me laugh when Premiere teams take a knee "no racism in our game" before every match and you look at the crowd being 95% White then look at their representation on the field 50 plus % Black it has to be the most diverse league in the bloody world yet they take a knee to insult the very people who support them.

[@martinheath5947]

Yeah, it's sickening

[@stewgreenuk]

weird, on my screen the like button is missing on this video, but the Dislike button is still there.

[@angelamckavanagh4696]

It’s exactly that.

[@davidhouseman4328]

No to racism should only be insulting to racist?

[@user-vk4el9oy6m]

@@davidhouseman4328 Taking a knee implies the crowd sitting there watching it is racist...

[@JackosJingles]

Now in my 60s I've seen history in my lifetime re-written.

[@derkaiser420]

As an American, black people did play a big part in our history but not Britain's. I also think that saying black people fought Napoleon is disrespectful to the men who actually fought and died defending European freedom from tyranny. The British were a major reason why France didn't rule Central Europe it changed the course of history. Why don't they just focus on African history for black people? You know, where they came from.

[@maxissixam6049]

Because some of "Black African" history is killing each other, enslaving each other and repeating this process even to this day, unless you rope North African history into it but they were predominantly not black. We have sculptures and art from their times of people like Hannibal of Carthage and the pharohs of egypt, they do not look to be what we would associate with "Black Africans" like a mix of mediteranians and arabs if anything.

[@Pospolite-Ruszenie]

I agree with everything except for the point about Napoleon. It’s thanks to Napoleon that the ideals of freedom and equality spread in Europe. Napoleon although not a hero, wasn’t a villain either and for the times I’d argue he was the man to follow

[@jackaubrey8614]

"Why don't they just focus on African history for black people?" - well, because that would mean having to acknowledge that black slaves were *enslaved* by their fellow blacks and THEN sold on to white slave owners. Also, that apart from fairly frequent genocides, there really isn't much "history" to focus on - at least not in the way that Europeans would understand it with regard to advancements in science, engineering and so on.

[@thethrashyone]

The part they played even in American history is vastly overstated. This idea that "SLAVES built this country!" is preposterous navel-gazing on every level; _skilled laborers_ built this country, whereas black slaves were relegated to unskilled grunt work on plantations and not much else. That's just a fact. If black slaves contributed anything of note, it's the fact that one of history's greatest civil wars had to be fought over them, and even then, it's arguable that the north was more interested in exerting dominance over its political enemies in the south than actually ending slavery.

[@knightdad9969]

Britain was not a major reason why Napoleon failed to consolidate control over cental Europe. Britain was extremely effective at dennying France greater influence in colonial affairs through effective Naval Blockade. Black British soldiers were present at every major battle Britain was involved in during the napoleonic wars.

[@crazyralph6386]

Jeezus, if that’s what’s coming out of the BBC nowadays, then the UK is truly lost.

[@yohannbiimu]

So, basically, they're saying that Subsaharan Africans were ALSO "natives of the British Isles." How is that suggestion NOT completely and utterly insane, not to mention IMPOSSIBLE?

[@willie417]

There was this thing called "The Roman Empire" a few may have ventured there with a legion of Roman soldiers from North Africa and were stationed there for a while😏 and lets not for get those adventures of the moors. And if everyone suppose to had came from the continent of Africa why not?

[@gregorysaugustine5236]

​@@willie417 So the Africa is the world and the world is Africa? Does the word natives means nothing? If someone is born from a thousand generation of family that lives in the furthest place from Africa for example Siberia, they're still African? As for the Roman empire, why would soldiers be pulled from north Africa, the furthest place from Britain rather than from the closest place that is northern France? Do the Gauls didn't exist anymore? Did Caesar wipe them out? Did the soldiers really only consist of north Africans? For almost two thousand years Britain population had also changes a lot. From the Saxons to the Vikings and also immigrants from French during the hundred years war. I think it's fair to say England is a white country build by white people that also serves as a home for minority groups of non-white people. Please don't use modern travel budget and put it in the context of the past. Travel is much harder back then than now.

[@yohannbiimu]

@@willie417 Besides your lack of understanding of what "natives" means, you also don't know that North Africans were and are not Subsaharan Africans. Regarding the Moors, they have NO genetic connection with Subsaharan Africans whatsoever. You're obviously a victim of Afrocentric propaganda.

[@fortunatomartino8549]

Can you read backwards? This is who they are Sreggin

[@willie417]

@@gregorysaugustine5236 WoW! so now not one travel with the Romans in europe while they ruled that area, not even when the moors was ruling that land, now that crazy talk

[@sanghoonlee5171]

If you have to lie to popularize an idea..... the idea is not worth popularizing.

[@dalecrocker3213]

If I was black I think I'd really hate to be patronised like this.

[@murphytoonz]

It must be very embarrassing. Mind you I would like to know what this fella means by "the kind of white people who would be white supremacist".

[@lzestrara1518]

@@murphytoonz I honestly don't recall meeting even a SINGLE white supremacist in my whole life. Even the most racist white person I can think of, she's not a white supremacist. She's not advocating for an ethno-state. She's not saying that all white people are superior to non-white people. She's not saying non-white people should be eradicated from society or deprived the right to live their lives as they wish. This whole white supremacist thing, as far as I can tell, is a fabrication. Apparently an extremely effective one.

[@hattmancock6396]

There has been an agenda to make black people bitter, wanting handouts, and hate the host nation. Many see through it, many many don't!

[@MiguelDLewis]

It's not patronizing if it's the truth. 'Been Here from the Start" is a horrible song from a purely musical standpoint but it's based in facts.

[@bretave7379]

@@MiguelDLewis No, You are from Africa. Get a Grip!

[@WakandaleezaRazz]

We wuz Bri’ish n shiii ✊🏿🏀

[@hestermofet6350]

😂😂✌️

[@MrJfgh]

Aping (n.): to imitate, especially in an absurd or unthinking manner.

[@jurassicthunder]

profile picture fits the comment 😂

[@robhulson]

@@davefitzpatrick4841* bruv

[@L_Martin]

Comments like this is why the left never allow these discussions, because there’s always someone like you waiting to slither out. Why the basketball? Just look at this person’s other comments. Their feelings about black people are obvious & it brings down this whole discussion into the gutter. edit: My replies to the trolls get screened, but the comments about "Aping / apes" stays up?

[@rtgh2010]

The more lies and rubbish they push the further right people get pushed. I find it hard a white Englishman who families fought in both wars for their future families not to get angry at this our history and culture being attacked weekly. My life’s not been easy either.

[@KuroNoTenno]

What does it matter if people get pushed further to the right? It's not like they are going to do anything anyway.

[@DarkAngel2512]

​@@KuroNoTennoit causes division and pain..it matters

[@KuroNoTenno]

@@DarkAngel2512 Leftists actions cause division and pain. Deliberately so, too.

[@technofeeling2462]

Wtf. We are in a time that could be out of a dystopian movie from 20 years ago

[@tonymarkey6525]

This situation is engineered. This supposed problem has been made massively worse by all the ludicrous ‘black washing’. It’s rarely mentioned when talking about slavery that it was indigenous black tribes selling their enemies and other tribes to the slavers but of course we can’t say that can we?

[@nolaspeaker5656]

No? Really? Your only comment is to state the obvious.

[@helendancelot]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqWmaqBtjcqEqK8si=lPv7N7ND1A-xI8ls

[@helendancelot]

Olaudah Equiano an African slave in 1700s first chapter details how slavery was more like indentured servitude for a number of years and slaves were treated with respect. Most Africans could not imagine the kind of slaver abroad

[@deanrussell2224]

It’s weird but I don’t recall having any part in the space trade myself- I’m sure I must have but I do recall the nation debt being serviced by the British taxpayer when slavery was abolished and the British government paid out millions in reparations to the slave owners - I think it was in the 1970’s that was finally paid off - I must’ve made millions out of it just forgotten obviously

[@helenespaulding7562]

@@nolaspeaker5656most American blacks……hell, most Americans, do not know this “obvious” fact.

[@elizabethjohnston3549]

I once watched this show with my grandkids , never again , they are liars and have no shame , we are from europe why cant they except this is why we are white

[@davidfinley7766]

My grandmother used to tell a story about a black guy visiting her town in England in the early 1900's and the whole town came out and followed him around because they'd never seen someone with black skin. I myself growing up in the 70's never saw a black person until I was about 10?!

[@globalpropertyinvestment]

Same I was born in Ireland in '77 and saw my first when I was 8 or 9.

[@perovwellyz560]

I love how he conflates conservatives and far right as though they're the same thing

[@LW1Tok]

Yeah I caught that too.

[@thethrashyone]

I think it's just reflexive for them at this point. Tbh we kind of have the same problem conflating liberals with leftists, even though your average milquetoast lib like Piers Morgan is nowhere near on the same level of nutbaggery as hammer-and-sickle toting Marxists like Vaush, or Cenk's nephew.

[@simonhadley8829]

Someone should flip the script and produce an identical music video with a white guy wearing various African garb singing how we've always been there doing our part, etc. and watch heads explode.

[@andrewallen9993]

Them African darkies discriminate against African whities terribly. It's because racism comes naturally to black people otherwise affirmative action cannot be explained.

[@Sensorium19]

There is a whole genre of comedy in dissident and right wing circles based on lampooning conservatives for uselessly lamenting "Imagine if the roles were reversed!" It is the modern equivalent of watching as the invaders pull up on your shores, begin hacking apart your people and lamenting "imagine if the roles were reversed." Yes, that is why they are doing it. They did imagine that and decided they wanted to get rid of you and all the people like you, forever.

[@MiguelDLewis]

But that would be true too. Pharaoh Siamun and Pharaoh Ptolemy were both white African rulers in Egypt. The ancient world wasn't as segregated as you might think. Black people have always been in Europe just like white people have always been in Africa.

[@windycityliz7711]

@@MiguelDLewis Ah, yes, and the considerable evidence that Cleopatra was a white ruler in Egypt has been so well received?

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@windycityliz7711 Cleopatra was Greek and Egyptian. Ptolemy, her father, was Greek, while her mother was Egyptian. So, she was likely brown, not white or black.

[@beardedloon77]

Ahh yes I remember the Romans writing about boudicca 'She was tall fearsome, flaxen haired maiden, with her pale black skin dyed in woed?? And wasn't Churchill himself a Jamaican man of mixed racial heritage. Queen Elizabeth 2 was also very much an African lady from gambia as I recall. Really getting beyond sick of this forced rhetoric.

[@spearshaker7974]

I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world - no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men. Woodrow Wilson

[@smudd71]

If they told the truth of their achievements the kid’s program would resemble crime watch x

[@damianclarkeed6683]

😂😂😂

[@jamesupton4996]

As any history of the British Empire would.

[@klopgtur5931]

​@@jamesupton4996what country doesn't have a past of war crimes and violence?

[@jamesupton4996]

@@klopgtur5931 I could go for s small country like Luxembourg or an Island , I suppose. Maybe Iceland ' oh Hell the Vikings....

[@klopgtur5931]

@@jamesupton4996 vikings don't have a past of violence? Do you know anything about history. And you pick the exception of a tiny country because you know every country has a violent history 👍

[@danielmoran9902]

''lie to make it work in the modern context''. Orwell would be as horrified as me, for nearly the same reasons.

[@LW1Tok]

It's so sad that they can't accept themselves as who they are and instead want so badly to lie about their ethnic origins. Pitiful.

[@mac7040]

Clearly a very intelligent man thinking for himself and not following a narrative mindlessly. Respect to him for this 👍🏻

[@jims4539]

Just read an article on MSN about Native Americans (NA) and slavery within their societies. Commented on a negative post to that article that proclaimed all the positives of NA culture - my comment was 'Europeans did good things too' - my post was blocked as not meeting "community standards." Too funny, in a very sad way.

[@lumberpilot]

There was a bitter racial war in England back in the 600s. It was the Danes against the Frisians.

[@EM-tx3ly]

Both are European Just different tribes

[@lumberpilot]

@@EM-tx3ly They were considered different races not so long ago. We today call them different tribes.

[@farqueleyou7578]

@@lumberpilot I don't understand how two groups of people that originated about 300-400km away from one another could ever, at any point, be considered a different race.

[@lumberpilot]

@@farqueleyou7578 Great migrations in ancient times brought very different peoples westward into the relatively small continental areas of Europe.

[@-RXB-]

@@farqueleyou7578 Because it's fluid and basically only means "branch of the family tree". So they can be different races and the same race at the same time, on different levels. In the same way, it isn't incorrect to also call humans "the human race".

[@rich8761]

i never understood why the f this conversation needs to go any further than "be respectful and kind to each other"

[@pleasuresofthedamned5245]

Are you truly that naive or just willfully stupid?

[@luminous3558]

Because white guilt cucks. Mostly in america but leftleaning people over the last decade have become so ashamed of "colonialism" that they just roll over and praise minorities for everything and anything. Its real bad because its giving rise to real racism. If there are groups that can't be criticised but do commit at least some amount of harm it will cause hatred and prejudice against them to fester. The solution would be to simply punish the bad apples to absolve the rest from being associated with the crime, but with minorities its just become impossible. The waves of immigration to europe since 2016 have been the biggest focus of this. The process was a massive shitshow, everyone gets in with or without identification and once inside there are close to no systems in place to integrate them into society and culture. Of course it was gonna lead to problems, but that could've been alright if the government didn't decide to lie and pretty much empower all the wrongdoers by not reporting on anything and giving leniency to those who really didn't deserve it.

[@mac2626]

He said Conservative or Far Right, but let’s be honest everyone is sick of these lies, even my Grandmother.

[@OldMusicFan83]

You know, the toughest part of King Shaka’s Zulu Army were the Celtic Warriors who originally settled that part of Africa during the early Bronze Age.

[@wjf0ne]

I hold to the adage 'better one truth than two lies,' no matter how noble the cause the liars think they are promoting.

[@andrewbradley1753]

The question I have is why are the BBC so fixated on skin colour, especially the skin colour of people in the past.

[@palletcabin-YR_Author]

Lies are never helpful.

[@Toracube]

No. They live in a world they want. They want that world. It’s why a crowd can stand outside that Peckham shop and deliberately not think critically…or they are just to dumb to realise the facts… one or the other.

[@DarkAngel2512]

Its a power grab.

[@pepelopez8912]

I went majority black schools most of my schooling and I got beat up and jumped many times yet today I am told as they were yelling racial slurs at whilst kicking and punching me that that was not racism 😂.

[@malignustotalis331]

There exist individuals who are incapable of shining by their own Light and require excuses for their mediocre existence.🎉

[@chrisw6164]

I have a Polish heritage. Poland had been nullified as a country multiple times over the centuries and we are frequently the butt of jokes (duh). But it’s absurd to try and ignore the actual history of the Polish people, or try and change it.

[@steveh7866]

There are two typesof people. Those who like chips in a bag, optionally with saltand vinegar, and those who like to carry them on their shoulder (perhaps because parrots are in short supply.) Both types come with noses in a plethora of shades, from purple to pink to ivory to beige to brown. Whether they take part in and feel a part of society has more to do with their chosen chip carrier than their probosine shading. Always been the same. Acting like an outsider is the fastest means to becoming a pariah. On the slavery front, given the length of human history, for most of which slavery was the basis of econoomies of every continent, it is certain that every one of us, of every nose tone, has in our ancestry slaves, slave owers, slavers, murderers, rapists and good samaritans. It doesn't affect who we are now, only we do that with our actions in our own lifetimes. Just stop teaching kids that nose colour is important and keep truth out of the hands of revisionists with no regard for intellectual rigour.

[@petersampson4635]

Mmmmmm.......chips!!! 👍😁

[@TimmsMJ]

Not only is your (extended) comment brilliant, but it made me smile - and want chips for tea! Thank you. I'm going to make a copy, print it out, frame it and hang it on my wall. I'm serious. 🥰

[@maxissixam6049]

I prefer in a box so I don't get my hands all greasy

[@steveh7866]

@@maxissixam6049 Now that's just being posh - next you'll want a little wooden fork and a napkin 😲 Of course whilst posh, napkins are quite egalitarian... they are equally effective when blowing noses of any hue, as well as cleaning plain, rose-tinted, dark _and_ mirrored spectacles (Oh what a sight)

[@glorybound_]

It's not conceding to admit when you're wrong. A step towards truth is a victory; no victory is too small to recognize. Don't let pride get in your way.

[@adventussaxonum448]

If black people were "here all along", does this mean that they're equally responsible for trans-Atlantic slavery as my non- slaving ancestors?

[@thefreedomguyuk]

To the woke, truth is not important. As long as we accept the narrative, everything is good. Truth is too inconvenient. The narrative and greater good is all.

[@johnsmith-tr3dh]

Im still waiting for Netflix's new "Martin Luther King Jr" movie starring Tom Hanks in the title role

[@almost_harmless]

That first clip reminded me of a skit. One where you would laugh at the end instead of crying.

[@theodorearaujo971]

If "they've been here from the start" do "they" owe us reparations?

[@YourFeelingsSucks]

Totally.

[@funklelester8646]

They do this to create a new history. There's a few books written about that kind of thing.

[@silverhost9782]

This country is so screwed

[@ChristianofEngland]

You know it mate 👍

[@keir108]

Yeah I'm born and raised in Toxteth and one of my old hippy mum and dad had this friend candy who was half African and half Jamaica! Like a lot of black people I've known she 'reverted to Islam to reconnect with her African roots' and she'd only admit it to my mum and dad but she said the discrimination she'd faced growing up in the UK was nothing compared to the intertribal warfare going on between the different types of black people going to her mosque plus since the 1980 she'd ran home's for disadvantaged girls and women who were the victims of domestic abuse so was the type of person who if she somebody treating someone poorly she was going to put a stop to it there and then! As you can imagine that stuff didn't go down to well but it still didn't stop her voicing her opinion! The truth is a very powerful and positive weapon if you're trying to put a stop to bad behaviour or correct a injustice because when truthful and accurate facts are layed out they speak for themselves but the moment we're adjusting it a little bit just to make it fit into your narrative then you walking down a very dangerous path which is more hurtful than anything you claim to be fighting against!

[@nimbledick9869]

Chedder Man wasn't black, he was a sort of a milky yellow colour. Next they'll be claiming the Red Leicester man was black and not red.

[@savagesnayle301]

I work as a pro-bono advocate in Leicester. I have never had anyone of any race come and claim racism, they have employment right problems, health care problems, financial problems, issues with Corporations getting bills wrongs and not listening, issues with local Gvt not listening, neighbour disputes. But not one of them has been easily identified as or solved by, treating it as a race issue. It is just a Liberal neo-Eugenestist go to! And befiore you say N-party Sir Francis Galton 1889 was the first to talk about Eugenics and it is in fact about social manipulation and population control through economic policies and education rather than genocide.

[@eastanglian6624]

The underlying values expressed by the Horrible Histories song completely contradict its intention. Its message is: "We [black people] belong in Britain because we were here from the start". In other words, *who was here from the start* is the crucial thing. However the historical facts are that Europeans, not Africans, were here from the start. (The 'history' in the song is complete myth-making). So if you take the song's 'nativist' view along with the actual, historical facts, the conclusion is: black people *don't* belong in Britain.

[@therealzilch]

By the same reasoning, Christian people don't belong in Britain.

[@user-zy1oh8jk7j]

It was obvious satire.

[@therealzilch]

@@user-zy1oh8jk7j What is "obvious satire" on KZbin when there are flat Earthers?

[@helendancelot]

Didn't the Romans bring African soldiers with them.. maybe a number ran to the hills in Wales?

[@RichardEnglander]

Yes they sell it as more blacks here is justified reconquest, taking their black lands back, fixing it. It's ideological subversion.

[@mangiagatti85]

On my well-researched guided tours in my native London (early 2000s), I always stressed to all that England/Great Britain was actually a nation of EMIGRANTS not immigrants. I had blood relations all over the world...Canada, Australia, USA. Millions of us islanders were 'obliged' to leave these shores...and did so...often serving in the energies of empire...but finding a new life somewhere else. The first wave of immigrants to these shores was the post-war one from now former colonies. Just viewing newsreels from London in the inter-war years is all the proof you need about the lies being told to younger Britons.

[@MiguelDLewis]

What's the lie? Septimius Severus, Aurelian Moors, John Blanke, Catalina of Motril, and Cheddar Man are actual people in British history.

[@lebaggins10]

The first peoples you could call immigrants to the UK where the Huguenots - persecuted for being protestant they left France in thousands many settling in Londons East end .

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@lebaggins10 What about the Saxons?

[@lebaggins10]

@@MiguelDLewis whilst the Saxons did indeed live in the UK history would call them conquerers, not immigrants - their king ran the country for many yeras and for a while the official language in England was French.

[@alunevans380]

@@MiguelDLewis Severus was half Italian,half pheonician, who was born in North Africa where the population is Middle eastern/European especially back in the Roman empire period and even today mainly but with some Sub Saharan African due to the Islamic slave trade that came over the last thousand years or so, there are statues and coins of Severus Septimus and he's not Sub Saharan African, Aurelian Moors where from North Africa, the Romans conquered this area, again this is Middle Eastern origin not Sub Saharan African, John Blanke the trumpeter, the only black man in Tudor England brought over by Henry the Eighth's wife Catherine of Aragon from Spain was a Sub Saharan African looking at the portrait of him, Cheddar man who's skin colour they don't really know due to lack of gene data, but they say he had blue eyes, had absolutely no Sub Saharan African DNA, he is related to modern day Western Europeans, his DNA descendant lives in England today and he's a white European man you can look this up.

[@TPT6148]

If they've always been here, there's no point in celebrating Windrush.

[@canuck3169]

No they haven’t, not in any significant numbers, or positions of power. Possibly ones and two’s in ports or monasteries prior to the Tudor period, maybe a couple of hundred by the time of the Stuarts, but only 10,000 by the late 18th century, which grew to 20,000 by 1950.

[@seemourbutts6679]

As soon as I found out there were blacks there I stopped thinking about the Roman Empire all the time

[@michaeldoolan7595]

When the USA armed forces turned up in 1942, the entire UK had less than 7000 none white people as citizens. Hence, we didn't have racial tension or segregation.

[@fredneecher1746]

And we insisted that there would be no racial segregation in our pubs. Black Americans were as welcome as white ones.

[@jasonwhite7677]

@@koschmxthat’s bs.

[@idiotproofdalek]

@@koschmxhave you read about it? Cos’ you don’t sound like you have.

[@jasonwhite7677]

@@koschmx if the British back then knew what the country would look like today 0% would have been given employment and every establishment would have had signs out. Our tolerance has been our undoing. Multiculturalism has been an abject failure that has ruined this once great country. Only mass reparations can restore it.

[@HoratioFitzbastard]

​@@koschmxInteresting that racism and eugenics appeared around the same time.

[@ddoherty5956]

The fact that a disproportionate number of adverts are put out with mixed race couples almost exclusively white woman and black husband appears to me to be early programming for young girls to condition them to have an illegal immigrant as a husband due to the huge numbers of males arriving. This whole issue goes far deeper than scratching the surface would suggest.

[@oldgoat142]

And don't forget the associated guilt trip.

[@stephenparry6811]

Nah... it kills 2 representational birds with one stone ethnicity & gender

[@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108]

Oh please such nonsense. The reality is white men with oriental woman

[@MiguelDLewis]

If two people of the same religion marry, it's not interracial according to the bible. A black Christian husband and his white Christian wife are the same Christian race. "I am black and beautiful. My love is white and ruddy." - Song of Solomon 1:5 & 5:10 "Moses married an Ethiopian." - Numbers 12:1

[@TRAZ4004]

I think it’s pure marketing and presenting a ‘cool’ image with your target demographic, nothing quite so sinister. Women overwhelming have the buying power, and white woman are the majority, they’re just targeting the best demographic.

[@user-wf5oy7zv3t]

These guys are both articulate and intelligent and clearly understand the damage that false information, particularly in a historical context, can cause. It was great to see such honesty at a time when it is becoming a rare thing and more power to them.

[@FlatbushBrooklyn]

This will energize the Back To Africa Movement. Africa, the land of racial justice, and milk and honey. Where Blacks have always been. Home.

[@edr.3229]

Sorry to see you guys got the same BS going on across the pond as we do here in the U.S.👍

[@ogazm1865]

The Noble Lie. The ramifications of which won't negatively affect those who tell it.

[@MiguelDLewis]

Where's the lie? "Been Here from the Start" is completely based on facts from reputable archeology journals. Are you saying Septimius Severus, the Aurelian Moors, John Blanke, and Catalina of Motril aren't actual black historical figures?

[@the_real_glabnurb]

@@MiguelDLewis I guess you are joking. But for the readers not in the know. I.e. Septimius Severus was of "Roman and Punic descent", there are lots of busts and coins of him - he was a white dude.

[@ReturnOfHeresy]

@@the_real_glabnurb @MiguelDLewis is posting the same comment in basically every thread. Likely completely serious.

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@the_real_glabnurb Septimius Severus was born in African. The Severan Tondo clearly shows that he's black.

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@ReturnOfHeresy I keep seeing the same baseless arguments being made against that horrible BBC song. The song sucks but at least its historically accurate.

[@MatthewOlney]

A nation of immigrants? Tell that to any Anglo Saxon family. They've been in these islands for well over 1000 years, same goes for those of Welsh, Briton and Scots descent. Immigrants are a new phenomenon. This nation was built by the British.

[@Valhalla88888]

Latest census in Scotland says 97% identify as Scottish, White Christians in England it's more like 70% identify as white English 😂

[@hairzilla]

How insulting it is to ignore your own history and insert yourself into others. Sub-saharan Africa and the carribean has an extensive andrich collection of histories and cultures, why does the BBC feel the need to invent this nonsense?

[@jamesflames6987]

It's not about elevating "black" history. It's about destroying British history.

[@firsteerr]

realistically a history that achieved very little from the stone age all the way up to the middle of the twentieth century isn't much to write about is it ?

[@bretave7379]

Name them.

[@MiguelDLewis]

It's not invented; it's fact. Septimius Severus, Aurelian Moors, John Blanke, Catalina of Motril, and Cheddar Man are actual historical people.

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@jamesflames6987 Septimius Severus actually made British history by building the first paved roads in Brittania. Your pride blinds you.

[@MrEffinBest]

I just don't even understand what is happening in the UK any longer. It seems the country is completely lost at this point. Its very sad, and Australia, Canada, and the US are pretty much right there with them at this point.

[@a64738]

WEF / UN is what happened and now UK has a WEF cult member as president, expect things to get a lot worse faster and faster just like in Canada with Trudolf that is also a WEF cult member.

[@maklame3318]

What country doesnt use imf loans ? What major corporation is not blackrock and like not invested in ?

[@willslls8901]

Best thing ypu could do at this point is band together and partition half the country.

[@localbod]

The West, as a whole, is finished.

[@sdrc92126]

Read about the Crusades

[@HankD13]

"We have to lie to make it work in the modern world"??? Why. To make black people feel better, because they must be feeling bad? That is the only possible reason I can think of. How patronising is that!

[@cptsteele91]

Consider the implications for a moment. If black African people have always been in England to the point where according to the song they were a major part of building Britain, then surely black African people would also have been common members of communities, they would have naturally been neighbours and friends of the white people. So why when black slaves were first brought to England did the English react with "what the fuck are those?" If they were common members of communities, touchstones of building Britain, the English would have been familiar with them, not accepted that they were an intelligent form of ape we could set to work, the English probably wouldn't have been so keen to enslave them. So is this about making black people "feel better" or is this about stoking the fires of racial tension without need. Not to mention undermining the actual heritage of black people on Britain which is robbing them essentially of a part of their own history.

[@chrisfraser-smith5799]

It’s utterly ridiculous and the BBC should be fired to remove this crap, after making a public apology.

[@joebloggs5318]

This gentleman is very articulate and above all honest. I might get his book.

[@siblej1]

Will the pandering ever end?

[@patricktuorto]

So long as grifters and race hustlers can get away with it? I’d say nope.

[@madmelwood3778]

Not unless the "good" people stand by and do nothing 😊

[@patricktuorto]

@@madmelwood3778 The "good" people "WILL" stand by and do nothing. Unfortunately.

[@blackcountrysoul]

It's so refreshing to actually hear intelligent people talk about these things that are "unmentionable" otherwise. Thanks guys.

[@Maxrodon]

I’m black and love history and this was hugely frustrating, disappointing and in the long term will damage any credible future stories of actual black historical figures. Yes, blacks existed as a minority in different places and times in history, but this overplays the proportions and garnishes the details to the point of pure fiction. Last of all, I really disliked what the BBC tried to do with emphasising or zooming on on race and using terms like “blacks” in British history as it removes the diversity within blacks and oversimplifies things. It’s like me discussing North American history and instead of saying the British/French etc I just said “the whites”. History to me is like science, it needs to be factual and precise, else it’s pure fiction.

[@jamesflames6987]

You're just a a token to them.

[@bromack3]

Arguing about black history is like arguing about what's true vs not true in the Bible. It only serves to fill the boredom in the minds of the dull and those who lack ambition.

[@MiguelDLewis]

Are you saying Septimius Severus, the Aurelian Moors, John Blanke, and Catalina of Motril aren't actual black historical figures? Those are the only people named in the song, along with Cheddar Man.

[@bretave7379]

@@MiguelDLewis Ya, you're everything, except what you Really Are.

[@ockhamsshaver4330]

The BBC and other media outlets are somewhat obsessed with race. Often it seems to be quite condescending to black people (there's an element of the white saviour thing), and it is mainly black people they're interested in when talking about diversity even though Asians are a bigger minority.

[@rickintexas1584]

I thought the image of the black dude in the gladiator helmet was a joke. I didn’t realize the BBC was promoting this nonsense. So the BBC is serious exaggerating it and then offering lame excuses as to why it isn’t lying. Makes sense to me.

[@abazely2743]

When it came to hard men the Roman emporors chose Germans.

[@generaljackson1741]

the whole thing is cringeingly awful. it all about virtue signalling and placating blacks once again. how did blacks from other generations ever go on with their lives not believeing the lie that their ancestors were everywehre

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@abazely2743 Like Septimius Severus and St. Maurice? Oh wait...

[@dallenhumpherys7911]

It’s not a Gladiator helmet.

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@dallenhumpherys7911 Exactly. These people are so blinded by their white pride they can't even differentiate Centurion armor.

[@joso7228]

About 1970 I saw my first black person - that was in Burnley, Lancashire and there were simply none around. And he wasn't even english - he was Collis King the West Indies fast bowler who played weekends at local club Nelson. He was standing at the Bar and me and all the children (we weren't called 'kids' then) gathered around to stare at him as he looked so amazing - he was buffed! And see - children are not racist - why are adults?

[@keithsargent6963]

It doesn’t work in America today either. Lying is never the answer.

[@PeoplePleaser578]

My favourite part of this version of history is when you ask them to point out where in history this was the case... they say "Well show me how it cant be the case!!!" as if 1000s years of history that proves its not true just dont exist xD Man you know what I love - Almost everything of meaning thats ever been done for Black people has been done by White people, the entirety of africa was white so they should be fine with us taking the land because it was always are.

[@ChannelMath]

the entirety of africa was white? when?

[@omni-man4624]

​@ChannelMath always prove it wasn't....😂

[@canuck3169]

@@ChannelMath it might have been, when our ancestors were covered in hair there was no need for a high concentration of melanin in our skin. Chimpanzees, one of our closest relatives are white under their hair.