The Sad Story of Agatha

[@TheBecauseofme123]

Oak ghosted her so hard she specialized in it

[@ammagon4519]

Unironically funny lmao

[@kellywaters643]

I laughed harder at this than I should've but I love it

[@sowalemonz]

Foul.

[@professionalinsomniac8338]

Effed up but hilarious joke ftw

[@mrrealgreatpalmtree]

Daaaammmmnnnn

[@LunarWingCloud]

Thinking about this, it seems sparring trainers going separate paths later is a running thing in the series. Agatha and Oak, Cheren and Bianca, the protagonist and Hop, even Leon and Sonia. All of them are one trainer going the path of battle and the other going the path of research, and all were rivals.

[@tonetone37x16]

Ash/Red and Gary/Blue

[@LunarWingCloud]

@@tonetone37x16 also true!

[@mushroomdude123]

I never realized _just_ how often that happens. wow

[@UltraAryan10]

Brendan and May, Lucas and Dawn too.

[@FlareBlitzBanana]

@@tonetone37x16 Blue specifically stuck with battling by becoming a gym leader. But it’s a much more traditional route than Red took.

[@dragonite01017]

I really wish they would flesh out the Pokémon lore. There are so many interesting characters and all we have are breadcrumbs that lead to more questions rather than answers. I’ve always liked Agatha because there is something so profound about an old lady with an affinity for ghosts.

[@mxochii5159]

Sadly they only care about this kid who wants to fight fight fight and fight 😃

[@captainmega6310]

@@mxochii5159 yeah it's like kids plays these games or something

[@tayIorswif]

If you wanted fleshed out lore read the manga, you get to see the personalities of game characters and its great

[@asianpengi680]

I feel like Agatha had probably some of the best story potential out of the gen 1 characters, same with Professor Oak. Oak was a former trainer and, in the manga, a former champion. Agatha being someone who battled with him and had been a rival to him in Masters would make her a perfect rival character for a Kanto game about Oak. They had a decent enough setup to make a prequel game to gen 1.

[@rynobehnke8289]

Given the "only Champions get to go to the Leagues final rooms"rule would Oak even gamewise need to be a Champion as he ist allowed to go into the room when he signs the player in after winning against the Champ.

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

Seriously, they need to make a legends style game in Kanto where you can either play as Oak or Agatha and explore their story, the origin of Giovanni and team rocket, mew and the creation of Mewtwo, The story is writing itself and we already have models for their younger selves to use

[@jointser1008]

NO MORE KANTO GAMES PLS!!!!

[@Kyumifun]

@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ i think i'd rather have a short animated series about that instead of another Kanto game

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

@@Kyumifun The problem with Kanto is they keep recycling the gen 1 games for nostalgia baiting. This could be a unique experience in the region

[@mango9401]

You forgot to mention that in the Pokemon Adventures Manga: Oak, The day care couple from Gold and Silver, Pryce and Agatha were inseparable in their youth. She even composed a song with them which is something I did not expect from Ghost Type Grandma.

[@philipearakaki]

I tend to see that people that like ghost pokémon tend to be Very artsy, enjoying either writting or theater, ghost trainers in the game are also mostly related to an art form

[@tayIorswif]

and elm I think also you reminded me of the whole gold and silver story arc and the Pryce thing is so sad😭

[@DarthLiam-gd1wc]

@@philipearakakiis morty's art form smoking weed?

[@castform7]

How random is it that Chantal, a character with no relation to Bertha or Agatha (besides Ghosts I guess), brings up their possible relationship.

[@Twerpt]

Probably a book related to all elite 4 members of a legends Arceus book. But it funny tho

[@Teal_Blastoise]

@@Twerpt I was just going to say that it was a book of Elite Four members. And that it was just something that ended up happening, just *years* after the fact, like about the little girl in the original Red and Blue games talking about Munna

[@KStarPR]

I mean Chauntal is a writer, even a fanfic writer, and both Agatha & Bertha would be pretty famous with their status. She could be right, or she could just be speculating on her own part. They probably are related, given the hints, but Chauntal probably doesn't know that for sure in-universe.

[@bootsnbutterscotch]

*Shauntal

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

She's just doing what all great fanfiction writers do: Making a connection between two characters who we've never seen interact with each-other.

[@WooperChannel]

Regarding the theory that Agatha is actually from Sinnoh and that she moved to Kanto is confirmed by the Spaceworld demo in 97, where she is geographically present inside in a house in a small town located at the extreme north of Nihon which corresponds to today's Sinnoh.

[@quaggotoak]

i actually like to think that agatha and oak are really married and like you said, shes just tsundere. i never really saw her as bitter, just a tough ol grandma who cared for oak even though she criticized him

[@myheartismadeofstars]

I think they WERE married but at some point separated. I think Agatha wasn't really cut out for wife and mother life and went to rebuild her battling career. That's why Blue doesn't mention she's his grandmother, because he and Daisy might not have ever met her. Though a cute option is that they DO know and Blue v Agatha was a very interesting and moving battle for both of them, though also possibly the first time meeting in person (just cards and gifts every year)

[@Ichiyama22]

@@myheartismadeofstars Agatha: Why dearie, are you really going to go all out against your own granny? Blue: You bet your wrinkly butt, hag! Agatha: That's my boy! Never yield, brat!!!

[@wikiuser92]

I do not think they are married. They were rivals, simple as that. Not all relationships between a man and a woman of about the same age have to be about love or marriage.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@wikiuser92 Well Oak must've banged someone

[@myheartismadeofstars]

@@wikiuser92 Obviously not. But really Oak has no other women he has even canonically SPOKEN to, but he clearly had a wife and child at some point. Sure his wife could be dead, but Agatha is the only canon option

[@kewpiesensei]

the way you say nidorino 😂😭

[@Phoenix_Blader_93]

He has to be doing this on purpose

[@newski7284]

to be fair, while I don't say it like that, it kind of makes sense since Nidorino is made up of a bunch of different animals, and in nidorino's case, a Rhino is the most obvious inspiration.

[@echidnaralsei1473]

Its a rhino

[@kewpiesensei]

@@echidnaralsei1473 it is not officially pronounced that way though

[@newski7284]

@@kewpiesensei people dont need to say it the exact or offical way, people can say names however they want, pronunciation is the least of concerns when it comes to pokemon

[@dramaticScar]

Fun fact, this is heavily implied and I only discoverd this also a couple of days ago coinciding with this upload of this video. But Agatha can be seen in a picture with Oak and Kurt at Kurts house, though her name is never mentioned... ho check it out because this always passed me by as a kid aswell

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Oak knows a lot of people being a world famous researcher and all

[@LabMatt]

I love how Agatha in the manga vowed to come back but never did to this day. I think she just had a heart attack and died.

[@wikiuser92]

Adventures has a bad habit of letting villains get away, whether they succeed or not. One time, when Bill tries to explain that some Kanto Gym Leaders were in Team Rocket, a chairman rebukes his claims as lacking evidence and tells him to focus on other stuff.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@wikiuser92 That's some deep ass corruption

[@wikiuser92]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I think the writer wanted to show how in real life, sometimes a system doesn't do anything against an obviously bad thing just because they "don't have enough reliable evidence". Still sucks, though. Also, talking about corruption in the manga: Archie actually ran the Hoenn TV at one point and used his influence to keep the public unaware of Team Aqua's activities.

[@edra2005]

Did the Pokemon league completely forgrt that Sabrina Surge and Koga all worked for Team Rocket

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@wikiuser92 Oh I'm in agreement, but it's not really surprising corruption is rampant in the Pokémon world when it's very easy to bully your way into power, if anything it should be even more corrupt. Wouldn't that fit Maxie more?

[@completelygivingup9413]

I haven’t seen anyone mention this, but the ties at the bottom of her green scarf actually look quite a bit like voodoo dolls, or just dolls in general, something commonly associated with ghosts (not to mention the several doll-like ghost types)

[@canisblack]

You know there's an old, old fan theory that Agatha is actually Gary's grandmother by way of being Oak's wife.

[@startheangel9760]

I do get bitter ex vibes from them

[@EpicNerdsWithCameras]

From the way she talks about him, it definitely feels like there was romance between them in the past. They definitely aren't together now, but maybe there was something there once.

[@JCardo2502]

Maybe she is Blue/Gary’s Grandmother, but probably Oak and Agatha had an affair when they were younger and she got pregnant. I could see Oak being like “I’m too busy creating the Pokedex to marry you or start a family with you” and eventually Oak’s son/daughter moved to Pallet Town once they were older to have a relationship with his father and eventually his son/daughter had a kid of his/her own that being Blue/Gary. Agatha was never able to get over Oak’s rejection and she hated him from that point on.

[@Blue_XIII]

Not to trample on your theory on what happened to Agatha, but it's also likely that she could have retired, especially somewhere where she could be alone. In Masters she mentions how she she liked being alone and it wasn't until she met Oak that she found friendship. Though unfortunately that didn't last long as Oak went on to develop the pokedex, leaving Agatha to be feeling unfulfilled due to her reason for reaching out to someone (being wanting to surpass Oak) was taken away from her by the same person who wouldn't leave her alone like she wanted to be and kept meddling with her alone time. So I guess it isn't so much that Agatha was bitter, but more so that after Oak leaving her to pursue researching Pokemon, she didn't really see much of a reason to reach out to someone else since doing so would never feel the same to how she did when she was rivals with Oak.

[@LilyCelebiFlipnote]

This is honestly more tragic to me.... Poor Agatha, either way.

[@karisu4598]

That's a really good theory, yeah. Also kinda makes Agatha seem less harsh on the outset.

[@Kyumifun]

So she really was a tsundere when she was younger. and it seems that it was a thing that kept her going in life but Oak eventually left her and her previous life almost lost its purpose, leading Agatha to become who she is now whether for better or worse. I mean, being an elite four member is still pretty impressive for someone with such a backstory. It means that despite how Agatha's life changed, she still pursued a path of trying to become stronger and eventually gaining a really awesome title so it's not bad. One has to wonder, what would have their lifes looked like if things happened differently? If Oak didn't went on to pursue his career as a professor or if Agatha joined him (if that'd be e en possible)?

[@inciacci549]

She probably died alone too. Probably turned into a ghost type, or worse part of a Spiritomb

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

I wonder if Agatha is able to talk to Charm As I imagine many ghost type trainers gain the ability to speak to the dead Maybe Agatha’s strongest Gengar is a hand me down

[@Kyumifun]

Gengar is a trade evolution Pokémon so whatever caused it to evolve it was similar to trading so perhaps that's possible.

[@Flamyll]

@@Kyumifun There is the Link Cable Item that nullifys the need for Trading.... so Maybe x3

[@zelowatch30]

That would make her the only trainer more scary than Sabrina lol.

[@shazk]

If you want more of Agatha, you can play Pokemon Postscriptum the first journey, which is the story of Oak and has a lot of fan made Agatha storyline which is very accurate. The story is very interesting and will shock you with the Pokemon lore

[@shazk]

@@Jynx9921 did you played the game?

[@3amtestosterone]

​@@shazkyes,I'm in tears

[@BuckBlaziken]

I always thought Agatha and Bertha were sisters, Agatha was always focused on battling and quarreling with Oak that she grew distant from her younger sister, Bertha, who decided to stay at home and take care of their family. They don’t like to talk about each other since they grown distant. This is all fan theory and speculation but I like this explanation.

[@knightfenrirwulfhart2866]

I'm surprised that it's not a common theory that Bertha might /be/ Agatha. Since Agatha is supposed to be a reference to Agatha Christie of murder novel legend (Hence her association with Ghost types and Poison types) and in 1926 Agatha Christie went missing for 10 days and was found 184 miles from her home saying she was a totally different person, which leads some biographers to believe she was in a fugue state after the stress of her husband divorcing her. This distance, and new name could be why Bertha looks like Agatha but with more grey hair. She /is/ Agatha but after something happened to her and she ended up in Sinnoh. Admittedly, this isn't a perfect theory, but I believe it fits pretty well considering Agatha's inspiration.

[@ifiwerearichman-yabadiba]

Thats a great idea, sadly thats only her name in the English localization and has no link in her Japanese name

[@musicandfever304]

​@@ifiwerearichman-yabadiba What if they noticed her English name and then decided to take inspiration when they made Bertha?

[@marywallace3620]

Since Agatha's appearance and staff has changed in the Let's Go games, I like to think that maybe the gengar carving was built around the pokeball and all she has to do is press her palm onto the top which would then summon the her gengar and maybe for a brief second, Gengar looks like it's posseessing the carving before it slips out.

[@connordarvall8482]

Agatha's main defining trait was her grudge, which is known to be a common trait in ghost types. All this really does for me is make me want a game where all 4 of the first regions are connected.

[@karisu4598]

It's a stupid grudge when you think about it.

[@Kyumifun]

Don't forget there's litterally a ghost type move Grudge ("If the user faints, the user’s grudge fully depletes the PP of the opponent’s move that knocked it out.")

[@justadreamerforgood69]

@@Kyumifun Lol 🤣 Smart

[@BasedMigz]

Her toxicity defines her poison type usage as well 😂

[@professionalinsomniac8338]

@@BasedMigzwhile funny as a joke, she isn’t toxic for feeling abandoned. I imagine that he was so involved in his research that he never had time for her anymore. Even if she visited, he was either busy or would have said he was. I can understand her feelings in regards to a resentment building, but she definitely could have dealt with it in a healthier way.

[@kurigaru]

1:58 her scarf also looks like people bound together at the fringes 😱

[@professionalinsomniac8338]

Oh my gods it does 😮

[@professionalinsomniac8338]

Can’t unsee it now lmao

[@SegaMario]

I like what Polished Crystal did with her by making her a fightable trainer in Lavender Town. It also included a battle with Lorelei in Ice Path.

[@FTChomp9980]

Agatha and Bertha are sisters one is mencaning and the other is kind hearted.

[@jointser1008]

I love how both of them have similar levels when it comes to rematches Agathas levelrange in the FRLG rematch: 65-70 Berthas level in the platinum rematches: 66-71 Bertha has a bit higher levels as agatha but they are still very close. they should fight each other or give us a double battle against them

[@WooperChannel]

Regarding the theory that Agatha is actually from Sinnoh and that she moved to Kanto is confirmed by the Spaceworld demo in 97, where she is geographically present inside a small town located at the extreme north of Nihon which corresponds to today's Sinnoh. Agatha in a house.

[@KingRumar]

Agatha’s design is reminiscent of a witch/alchemist. Apron for concoctions and maintaining her home, poison and ghost theme to further the spiritual and darker path. With the new redesign adds to the witch of the woods look.

[@alfernix]

Hey, if this month you're going to talk about Ghost Type trainers, I suggest that could be a great idea to make a video about Hoenn's Elite Four Phoebe, because she has a great story told alongside the games. In ORAS we met her grandmother and grandfather in Mt. Pyre, where the Blue Orb and the Red Orb are being protected by them both. When you end the games if you visit again Mt. Pyre, you'll see Phoebe there sad because her grandmother and grandfather had died. It's very interesting, because since Phoebe has been also in Pokemon Masters since the begining of the game, she has appeared in some events and has told more about they. It's a very cool and interesting theme for a video, I hope you do it.

[@shadowmarauder6033]

A fact people seem to overlook is that in some media the twin gym leaders in Mosdeep are also the grandkids of the Mt. Pyre couple. So technically Phoebe is a cousin to 2 gym leaders with powers! How cool is that?!

[@akiradkcn]

@@shadowmarauder6033 very cool

[@Tsukune2001]

There's also the ghost of a little girl in Phoebe's elite four room in ORAS.

[@nazeersadek6705]

@@shadowmarauder6033 where was this mentioned?

[@shadowmarauder6033]

@@nazeersadek6705 in the adventures manga, which is more inline with the stories the creators pokémon wanted to tell

[@edra2005]

I remember seeing a comic once of Agatha mentoring Karen to replace her at the Pokemon league Karen also has a Gengar and both dark and ghost were underrepresented and feared in the early generations I think she stayed long enough so Karen can take her place in the league She's also nestled between Bruno and Lance in the Pokemon league order Speaking of its possible that Lorelei could've nominated Koga or Will to take her place at the league

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Will considering she's in his room that still has the frozen water. But then again in the Spaceworld Demo Lorelei was part of the League still so it's probably a carryover

[@m1cr0.w4v3]

Fun fact: at the end of Blossom’s dream, her nidorino fought with a gengar, which may be a reference to the gen 1 as well, which is cool that the anime links with the game a little more despite their big differences

[@ammagon4519]

I'm pretty sure it's just some on the nose reference to the Nidorino vs Gengar fight lol, and I think they specifically chose Nidoran for Blossom's Pokemon since Nidoking and Nidoqueen look very different cause of their genders compared to other pokemon, so they could realy reflect that family values in the entire short. Underrated Pokemon short btw

[@m1cr0.w4v3]

​@@ammagon4519​That would make sense, also it is pretty underrated

[@BasedMigz]

Her use of poison types can also mean her toxic relationship with Oak

[@douglashenrique188]

1:57 her scar really look like people holding hands, like, the circular paterna make heads and shoulders, and the scarf fringes are the legs. Really a nice touch to a ghost type

[@Yomi2012]

When shawntal said Agatha and Bertha name sound very similar. You have to look at the Japanese version. Agatha is kikuko and Bertha is kikuno

[@mantidream8179]

I really like Agatha's design, especially her FireRed/LeafGreen art. From her name to her being an old woman, she doesn't seem like the type to train such menacing Pokemon, but her eyes are hard and her grin seems to suggest a sadistic nature.

[@typemasters2871]

Now there needs to be a rock or poison specialist that is younger than Bertha and Agatha just to continue charm’s legacy

[@potatohildy]

When I first saw Agatha I thought she was Oak in drag

[@zarxiel2339]

I think Bertha and Agatha are sisters, and Bertha just moved from Kanto to Sinnoh. In Masters we have the confimation her Hippowdon is not her starter, making Rhyperior the best option to be her starter at this point, a Kanto evolutionary line.

[@JustAPrinnyDood]

Agatha is definitely the older sister. Wouldn't be surprised if they had a younger one who's name starts with C.

[@juno6195]

I think both the cane designs are cool, so I’d like to propose a compromise. The gengar decoration at the tip of it, but it’s mouth opens up to reveal the pokeball

[@deaderontheinside6871]

I like how depending on the game, she swaps between looking like the drag persona of Oak or Giovanni.

[@uaiso5200]

So... agatha and bertha are charm's regional forms?

[@PokePalm2534]

I don't think Agatha had died. Though one can live shortly or long, she didn't look that senile. Later we have a person like Opal who is 88 at the time of Sword and Shield. Agatha might be a few years younger than Opal in the games and some twenty years younger than Opal in the anime because no one ages.

[@SikezSypherZ]

Agatha Bertha Charm ABC, it’s all coming together now

[@RhapsodyHC]

Agatha passing away would make sense because she represents Ghost type. Plus it wraps up her character well. She can finally rest in peace after living a life of grudge.

[@Ember-Rodriguez]

Always been my favorite elite 4 member. Back when I was young and a little dumb the fire red elite four really was a challenge and she made for a fun battle.

[@BaconNuke]

Not to ruin a kind of sad video but like.. Gen 1 had many issues.. Agatha was more of a Poison specialist while Koga was more of a Bug specialist.. and Lance the birdkeeper is there too.. oh and Bruno has been called a Hiker as a joke by a few I have watched on youtube..

[@LightStreak567]

When a Gym Leader's Pokemon has more than one type, it doesn't mean they specialize in their Pokemon's secondary type. Gym Leaders use dual typed Pokemon to cover their weaknesses. But in Bruno and Agatha's case, there were too few fighting and ghost type Pokemon during Gen 1.

[@jean-pierrebenzenique]

Bruno jokingly called a hiker is kinda understandable, but Koga isn’t bug type specialist, the only bug type he used was Venomoth maybe also Ariados, but is has more associated with his daughter instead

[@Sakaajani3625]

@@LightStreak567 There were enough fighting types in Gen 1 for Bruno to use: for some reason he didn’t use Poliwrath or Primeape.

[@Sakaajani3625]

@@jean-pierrebenzenique The only way Koga could be considered a bug specialist is in Yellow where he uses a team of Venonat and a Venomoth and it’s highly-debatable because they’re all part Poison. The only non-poison Bug type he used was Forretress and that was to fit with his ninja theme.

[@LightStreak567]

@@Sakaajani3625 Primeape and Poliwrath is forgettable in Gen 1 because not a single Pokemon Trainer in the game uses them. I even forget about Golem!

[@espyjump2725]

Great vid man! I like the references to the manga you always include in these background videos

[@Whitecichlid]

Late comment from me here, but just wanted to point out that Bertha's ace Pokemon in Platinum is Rhyperior, Rhydon's evolution. This, as well as other instances in Legends, shows that Platinum should be considered the most "canon" game out of D-P-Pt.

[@Doopyhpp]

If Agatha used to look like charm I would see why oak would want to hang out with her

[@Broomer52]

According to her Oak never picked up her hints growing up and Oak loved talking about Pokémon. They would battle and between battles Oak would just ramble on and on about Pokémon to her. She clearly liked the guy but Oak was an oblivious nerd that just saw her as a really good friend.

[@Doopyhpp]

@@Broomer52 that’s actually kinda based

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@Doopyhpp No it isn't

[@Doopyhpp]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 why hang out with girls when you can study Pokémon

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@Doopyhpp Because studying Pokémon GETS the girls, see Brock

[@LucyRoseLuna]

4:05 "friendship"

[@kleinerfuchsi]

There were lots of clues and theories about Agatha being Blue's (or Gary Oak) grandmother. Not the one married to Prof. Oak, but the other one and secretly in love with Oak, since they were rivals in childhood. I really like this theory and wish it were canon.

[@Okeana_Aster]

I really like Agatha. Like, she's the first person that we walk in the footseteps of. Long before Cynthia. And she even had her own rival : Oak himself and that's just so cool. If they want to bring back Gen 1 once more, they should make a spinoff game where we play in Kanto's past. Before the Dex, before the modernisation of Kanto and Poké Balls. Now that I think about it, this would make for a good Legends Kanto game. The male character would be Oak (but we could name him whatever we want) and the female character Agatha (but we could also name her whatever we want). They would be young adults (as they seem to be depicted in the manga at the time of their journey), which would shaken up the formula. We could roam around in a more natural version of Kanto. Maybe with a Saffron Village as a base or something. There would already be gyms and the Elite 4 though. If think that this idea has potential.

[@thatwillowbee2872]

Oh hey, I remember there was a fan game called "Pokemon Gen 0" that was exactly like your idea (I think! I just know that it focuses on young Agatha and Oak.)

[@Okeana_Aster]

Oh really ? I should look that up. A bit sad that when I have a good idea for once, it already exists.

[@Okeana_Aster]

I can't play it because it's an fangame on RPG Maker and not a hack rom 😢

[@zereon]

ah hell no genwunners

[@Okeana_Aster]

Nah actually, I don't think that the hardcore genwunners would like this game. After all, it would change the setting in which their precious gen 1 takes place.

[@AlphaDal-if9vv]

It’s been a long time, so I can’t remember if, it was the games or the anime that mentioned that Oak used to work as Rowan’s assistant. If that’s the case then I wonder if part of the reason Agatha is somewhat bitter toward Oak, is because Oak chose Bertha over her. Assuming of course that Agatha actually had a thing for Oak. Gary/Blue has to have a mom and grandma somewhere right? Unless the manga fills in some of those gaps?

[@thekiwibird37]

As somebody who played Gen 1 back in the day when Alakazam was the most broken thing on earth with a Gengar in my team of six, I gotta say, it was so cool to see Agatha in the E4 with two of them! I'd also love to see more of her at some point, especially since Oak is still rolling around. I wanna roll up to a spooky house and there she is, just vibing in it with Gengar.

[@karinasquire5190]

2:06 Agatha looks like Professor Oak on drag

[@francisco2759]

Agatha is also confirmed to have had children with Oak in Masters. Blue calls her grandma

[@Hamantha]

It could also be a family friend thing. Like how a family friend is called uncle or aunt

[@flyingchairguy2221]

I think it’s very common for you g characters to call old characters grandpa and grandma especially in Japanese media, like how Naruto calls tsunade grandma tsunade despite there being no relation

[@emilstoqanov3270]

@@flyingchairguy2221 tecnically they are related by clan but that's about it

[@LegoCat88]

I think he calls her grandma as an insult to her age, at least that’s how I take it.

[@fothorso]

In japanese, its polite to call the elderly that instead of just using their name without honorifics. That's just what Blue was doing.

[@kirbyofthestarsfan]

The LGPE design is not really a scarf, but more of a cape

[@RandomDawn14]

Glad it's not just me who noticed that. I do think it's more likely a shawl and not a cape, but it's definitely NOT a scarf, lol.

[@hooviridis8388]

My theory about Agatha not being in the E4 in Gold and Silver: After her battle with Red, she recalls some of the battles she's had with Oak and decides to step down as an E4 member to pursue another adventure in a far off land for the remainder of her days (It's worth noting that her and Oak are likely the same age, making her not as old as we believe her to be and that her ghoulish appearance could the the result of her Gengar slowly draining her lifeforce). As for Lorelei, I have a theory regarding her: After Team Rocket's invasion of Four Island, she remained vigilant while staying a part of the E4. When word got around that Team Rocket had reformed, she stepped down from her spot as an E4 member to return to Four Island, in the events that Team Rocket might decide to poach the Lapras of Icefall Cave again.

[@sawyersmith2957]

I feel like Agatha is just a disguised ghost

[@Cuppamilky]

Agatha walked so ghost/dark type trainers today could RUN

[@aespa_nova]

Lmfao hearing you say “spilled the tea.” 😭 I loved it

[@joshuaboucher8258]

I would love to see more lore videos like this!!!

[@MagillanicaLouM]

One thing to keep in mind, Johto is closely connected geographically to both Kanto and Sinnoh. Perhaps Agatha was born in Johto and being cousins, her and Bertha's family in Sinnoh were close. But very early in life her family moved to Kanto, separating her from her beloved cousin and she became a loner till she started pining after a young Oak, who sadly despite their strong rivalry, only saw their relationship as such. He ends up with a different woman, pursuing his studies while starting a family to boot, the heartbroken Agatha becoming the woman we know now due to losing 2 kinds of love in life. Having to move from close familial love early in life and sadly learning not everyone is meant to be with somebody as a young woman.... I hope she's doing well later in the timeline(s).

[@vesselthanatos3033]

i would've loved if in gold and silver (or HG/SS) we saw Agatha in Oak's home in pallet town, showing that she reconnected with him and started a proper relationship or something

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

She was supposed to be in the demo

[@piron2399]

I have always loved the original Elite 4, and Agatha was always the one that caught my attention the most. She looks completely different than any other trainer in the game, and also is very different when compared to gym leaders and the rest of the elite 4. Kanto is by far the less explored region lore-wise, and with so many holes in the story, I guess we'll just have to imagine most things. I'd like to think that Agatha retired and left Kanto for a more calm region, such as Hoenn, enjoying the warm sun.

[@Robin280497]

Slight correction: Hippowdon is Bertha's Ace in D/P and the initial battle in BD/SP (and her Sync Pair in Masters). Rhyperior is her Ace in Platinum and in the Rematches in BD/SP, so I'd say that's her true Ace.

[@suchalem6686]

I actually really like how Let's Go made her more of a crooked old hag than her other iterations. It really helps to emphasize both her Ghost and Poison theming, and while it loses the charm of her being a stoic old woman with a bit of a dark side, I really like it as an exploration of her character.

[@harukaze7388]

Rival who had a big change of heart to focus in really learning Pokemon vs the one who kept Battling and Becoming Stronger and just kind of Weird and Disappearing Given Spaceowrld implis her to be in Sinnoh maybe she gets inspired by Red The way Bertha talks about family being important does make me think they are family more than anything and that she misses her.

[@GengarYes]

Its need- oh- ree- noh

[@wikiuser92]

The Fame Checker in FireRed and LeafGreen also mentions Oak and Agatha having been rivals.

[@atlanderwrites]

Am I the only one who’d love to see Agathoak getting together in their twilight years?

[@jonathanfujimura3364]

Nido”rhino” 😂

[@Juno_Kujo]

3:10 "Nidorano"

[@sagacious03]

Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

[@ThatManCam]

Saddest part of agatha is being a ghost type specialist with only one ghost type line LMAO

[@renatoduquetm]

I thought I knew all about them, but I had totally missed the Shauntal quote!

[@shadeclockworker6507]

Guess it wasn't Agatha all along.

[@fireembliam9090]

7:11 She is also my favorite.

[@JD1zzle23]

I thought it was a cool sort of work around with the lack of ghosts in gen 1 that in the adventures manga Agatha’s arbok and golbat had more ghostly appearances and powers compared to koga’s

[@kenthuang436]

My cousin’s kids believed that Agatha was dead by the time of Gold and Silver.

[@brandoncrawford4281]

Agatha's purple outfit with an apron looks very similar to a sableyes face to me

[@Thegirlwithducks]

Her model in Let’s Go looks like professor oak in drag

[@acshepard6779]

She became one with her ghost pokemons

[@niteriemcfarlane5285]

agatha: this will be my last Pokémon go GENGAR!!

[@dukemagus]

Used to think Agatha was Giovanni in disguise. Same Face!

[@stevenreyes7779]

Okay 3:10 that shit blew my fucking mind lol

[@Stopmotionfanartist]

Two people who crave revenge and they’re both named Agatha and they have a connection to spirit and ghost?…(you gotta watch ParaNorman to understand this connection)

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Also Agatha Harkness. I guess it's just a common witchy name

[@nat298]

oh my gosh agatha in pokemon masters just looks like a manly old man wearing a wig

[@rinatepaste9218]

Well. And i always thought she was a ghost

[@kuitaranheatmorus9932]

I sure love these videos and yes good video Hope u have a great day

[@ullyssescmosely]

Idk somewhere along the line i was led to believe agatha was karens grandmother

[@Pantherblack]

How old are Oak and Agatha really (circa gen 1)? We talk about them like they're ancient but Oak isn't fully grey and Agatha actually has more color in her hair than Bertha. Honestly I never really imagined them older than 55-60.

[@wikiuser92]

Oak is 50 in the anime.

[@cliffcorson4000]

Agatha is the original Tsundere

[@TheRealGigachad1848]

No one: Gator: "Nidorano"

[@O_Pro_Pepo]

Goddamn i just realized agatha and bertha are identical

[@silverkyrie4714]

While Hippowdon is Bertha's Ace Pokemon in Diamond, Pearl, and Masters, her Ace in Platinum is Rhyperior. So Charm's Rhydon makes more sense when you consider that.

[@TheEvilPanda87]

She became the Verdian city gym in anime

[@aurahoneydew9607]

They're not ancestors they're closer to AU counterparts. It's closer to Jojo's Steelball Run universe to Jojo's main universe.

[@Zilear]

When I was little I thought she specialized in poison types cause all her Pokémon were poison, but as I grew older I found out how oblivious and stupid I was lol

[@jimbatter5246]

I always theorized she was reds grandma even if neither of them know . She wears purple which is a darker vs of red

[@ZetsubouGintama]

My theory that Agartha did not hate Oak for him retired and become a professor since I bet Agartha is a scholar as much as being a trainer. But she was frustrated she never have a chance to rematch with Oak since he keep winning her and then retired before she have a chance to defeat him.

[@immagangstaX10]

Agatha could be from Johto, seeing how Sammy oak was from there and her and oak were childhood rivals.

[@idreadFell365]

Still want that fool art bandit trio card from Lost Origins

[@dychrisshandonsmith1242]

Keep it up on your work and this video and channel