The Scariest Change in the Silent Hill 2 Remake

[@fripptricky5099]

I agree with almost everything you say with one exception. I don't think you break the TV to "get back at daddy". I think the TV would be turned on to drown out the noise of his assault, and by destroying the TV you're bringing his misdeeds into the light.

[@chandlerburse]

I always thought the tv was simply that angela had also dropped a tv on her fathers head

[@fripptricky5099]

@chandlerburse Didn't she stab him and burn the house down? I seem to recall that being what was described in the newspaper clipping, but I might be misremembering.

[@anthonyfournier1731]

From the tv the little parts and bits you hear through the static it sounds like her father was yelling at her and putting her down. The tv was probably the only thing he treasured.

[@jamesnorman9160]

Also, maybe Thomas was one of those dads who worked all day then dropped himself in front of the TV for the evening after he got home (when not abusing his daughter of course). The TV's are probably one of the things Angela associates with him: the yelling and screaming and the insults/threats while still watching his shows I guess...hence why they're linked into that battle.

[@fripptricky5099]

@@jamesnorman9160 Honestly, this is probably exactly it.

[@tatianamelendez490]

What freaked me out most was how fast it ran. Like a child's speed vs an adult's speed make the adult seem supersonic to the child.

[@lavellyne]

God I did not even think of interpreting it this way. I feel sick.

[@joshshrum2764]

Yeah that’s definitely too real, but needed.

[@jamesnorman9160]

He can really move on those stubby little legs when he wants to. But yeah, it probably reflects how an adult could chase down a child with no problem.

[@alaniasdruid8616]

That was me, when I just beat the Hospital boss yesterday on remake. I never played OG. As he got faster in second phase it was freaking me out! I even beat him on first try hard mode, but my heart rate was definitely elevated.

[@Wabbajock_Dugatti]

That scared tf out of me.... but then you get to Eddie & he too was moving too fast for a big dude it was actually comical...

[@weirdalexander8193]

I’m surprised that during the tv section you didn’t mention that it was broadcasting verbal abuse, such as “are you planning on running away? Where would you go? NO ONE CARES.”.

[@jamesnorman9160]

Oh, I'm sure that those are Angela's memories of the abuse she got from her dad. Suffice to say, I smashed those quickly when I realised.

[@jasoncanasnunez4711]

I liked the broadcasting too it made the experience more disturbing than before. Angela’s section of the game is my favorite

[@rosenrot234]

And a tiny bit of the dialogue in the tv can be at least some of James own frustrations. The daddy brings up how he takes care of angela. James takes care of Mary. Not saying they're exactly the same person. But I do like that the tv dialogue has just a lil wiggle room so that it means something to James and Angela.

[@bobob9969]

Also when it shouted "LOOK AT ME"

[@rosenrot234]

@@bobob9969 I would love to know who voiced the Daddy because they really did a good job with how ANGRY I felt after hearing that. Props to the va for that

[@atomic_chill8418]

Hearing Thomas speak during this fight was something I didn't expect. It's all pretty unhinged, but when I heard him say "Stop! You're hurting me," that got to me. Hearing that from Angela would make sense, but hearing Thomas say it made it one of the most disgusting things I've heard in my life.

[@jamesnorman9160]

One ironic thing is the steel pipe is surprisingly effective against him. Like any bully/abuser, he can dish it out but he can't take it.

[@avocado3-in-182]

Abusers are not aware that they are the perpetrators, that’s narcissism right there.

[@Torthrodhel]

He's surprised she's able to, and hurt that she'd dare, after all the work he put into making her think she's weak. His ego is cut by this situation he thought he engineered so well being revealed to have cracks. That and, of course, the fact that you have to be a massive pathetic wimp to do that to someone in the first place, so obviously that's being shown too.

[@Wabbajock_Dugatti]

Yea bro all these Angela moments in the game literally made me feel depressed & sick. Never had a videogame do that to me. Me & my brother agreed that this game can be VERY triggering for people who suffered similar traumas.

[@Torthrodhel]

@@Wabbajock_Dugatti the original helped me through trauma for a similar reason. I had never seen anything like it before (with each of the first three games). Silent Hill felt familiar, like I'd never been represented before, and now here it was. I found a sense of warmth more than being triggered, but my PTSD wasn't really triggered back then much, since I'd suppressed so very much. By now I've remembered enough that it gets triggered more easily. I used to walk around hallucinating fog, when I was young. So you can tell why I connected so immediately. And then in the 2nd game, there were parts of the story dealing with things like that. Then the 3rd game going into a very "fear of sex" element. It all really helped me process things. I connected with Maria the most, I think. Always felt very much like an outsider, not sure what's going on, missing memory and purpose, needing to cling to someone to be sure I'm real. The Angela stuff was too direct at the time I first played it, but it sure hits hard now (in a way I'm prepared for, however). The Eddie stuff not so much, in my case. I think I was a bit too vacant for ordinary bullies to get much satisfaction out of, so they mostly just ignored me. Prime target for dodgy adults who wanted to be sure I wouldn't tell anyone what they did, though. I'll leave it there I think. It really is no wonder I'm such a megafan now. Hope you and your brother are doing okay.

[@wiskerfall4519]

The scariest moment for me was realizing what the abstract daddy was. I have never had such a feeling of visceral disgust wash over me once I realized what that thing represented for Angela. To make matters even worse the remake added in pistons that make very disturbing noises.

[@jamesnorman9160]

I've seen at least one or two playthroughs where the player spends a good minute or two smacking the hell out of its corpse after the battle. When I took a good look at it myself, pretty sure I cringed up in sheer disgust.

[@GrayAndGrey]

The PS5 controller vibrates to the rhythm of the pistons to make things more disturbing.

[@starparodier91]

My best friend and I played it on the PS2 when we were 12. Thankfully we’d never experienced anything that Angela did in real life, but we were both very disturbed by it. I played it earlier this year on the same PS2 and CRT we did and it still got me- especially the pistons. I almost couldn’t finish the Remake boss fight.

[@maybemablemaples2144]

People saying they toned it down have literally never played it. That fight it terrifying.

[@sodacharge2585]

Pistons are in the og too

[@Mad_Oph]

You can also draw parallels of the boss damaging the walls of the corridor as it charges you down as a metaphor for the destructive, dominating nature of SA. It's literally ramming itself down this hallway, structure be damned, chasing its goal single-mindedly. And the drawn out nature of the fight, being just battered and exhausted and waiting for this horror to be over. Yeah, they new what they were doing with this.

[@Frredster]

And the whole thing with the labyrinth being a representation of Angela's childhood home. The Abstract Daddy is, quite literally, a homewrecker.

[@JonRinzRaccotterz]

I'm really glad I got a decent recording of me live during this section. But man... The holistic design was incredible. The environment, sound, gameplay, unhinged movement of the AD made me scream so loud my three partners came into my room thinking I got hurt IRL xD I didnt think a doorframe could move faster than light until it was beating my ass. 😅

[@GoingMenthol]

The old version of the abstract daddy being a weak boss fight can also represent how dangerous an abuser will be to their victim, but also how completely weak and pathetic they are when they have to face the consequences of their actions

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

I don’t buy that because it weakens the emersion. It was just a bad boss fight due to limited resources. Never cared much for fighting abstract daddy in the OG until the remake made it much more interesting.

[@jeremylotr]

Ohhhh that’s good. Never thought of it like that

[@IGNACIORIGINAL]

Actually in the remake, the abstract daddy is still the easiest boss in the game.

[@brendonhill]

​@@IGNACIORIGINALwrong, 1st pyramid head boss is literally running away for 5 minutes

[@SlurpyPie]

That’s an interesting way of looking at it (even if that wasn’t the intention) but still it seems a lot weaker than the remake in terms of it’s presentation.

[@Hachidiego]

I love this version of Angela. She feels more like a human dealing with trauma instead of a troubled woman saying crazy things. Even her physique, she looks younger and more vulnerable. I felt sorry for the OG Angela, but this version I just want to hug her and tell her that everything's going to be ok 🥺

[@joshshrum2764]

Think you can save her heal all her pain.

[@alyasVictorio]

Both of her incarnations are good, just want the head of remake Angela to shrink a little to make her more perfect than her og. I mean...damn why designing photorealistic characters so hard (mostly from these companies)

[@ItHamBoi]

​@@alyasVictorioIt's a scan of the actress, that's how she looks like

[@elfasto2255]

she looks younger because angela's supposed to be 19 in the game

[@Hachidiego]

@@elfasto2255 yeah, I know. That's why I love this version of Angela 😊

[@enzo91821]

The low difficulty of the boss (maybe) represents that James is not fighting his own demons but someone else's, so of course it's easy for him. Also shows how Angela's dad, like all abusers, enjoy abusing the weak but quickly fold against someone who can fight back, in this case another man. Edit: I'm talking about the remake as I found him to be the easiest of all the bosses, having only 1 slow easy to dodge attack, while in the original all the bosses were easy so I don't think that was their intention.

[@wood1066]

All the bosses in the OG game are easy.

[@Splunkmastah]

Bruh. I never thought of that. I always thought he was easy, but the spectacle made up for it.

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

Then the remake would be superior because it forces you to see him through Angela’s perspective, which is much more terrifying.

[@Splunkmastah]

@ Personally? I think the remake Is superior

[@chandlerburse]

@@wood1066 fresh lips with no healing items wasnt easy

[@chriscormac231]

FatBrett has a fear of stairs confirmed

[@Dctctx]

I don’t blame him. They’re always up to something.

[@chriscormac231]

@@Dctctx or ready to go down

[@stingerjohnny9951]

@@DctctxGREAT pun 🤣 I genuinely have a small fear of walking down stairs. Not quite a phobia, but I always think about falling down them or being pushed

[@basicsimp8798]

Of course he has. The worst enemy of fat people are stairs 😂

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

@@Dctctx I think that is just your paranoia getting to you Nice pun

[@masterofbloopers]

The scariest change is the Mannequins. They weren't anything crazy in the original, but now they hide, blend into the environment, and jump out at you! If that wasn't enough, they gain the ability to crawl on walls and ceilings once you reach Toluca Prison, which is now INFESTED with the damn things! Because of these mechanics, I was paranoid the entire playthrough, constantly checking every corner of every room!

[@jesk743]

Oh I hated them, they always scared the crap out of me when they'd jump out from hiding, or in the jail where you can barely see and they jump on you - and then your radio doesn't go off until they've hit you and that scares you too lol.

[@cheliozz3048]

Yeah, Toluca Prison was when I was like "Did this creepy shit get 50% scarier than it already has been? Was so glad when I was through, then this fight followed. I think nothing can shock me now anymore haha :D

[@charlielambert5301]

I hate playing through Toluca Prison, scared the living daylights out of me because of those creep bastards. i try and get through it as fast i can, makes me so uneasy.

[@Arkham13v]

Subtle horror is much more effective when tackling dark themes, our imagination will fill the gap to find the twisted truth and we might wish we didn’t.

[@julialili5788]

That's way sad when you remember of that scene when James said "little girl" (talking about Laura), and Angela started to, supposedly, to hallucinate with her father.

[@averythesuperhero]

A minor design tweak I noticed they made to Abstract Daddy is, while the original has a sort of phallic protrusion with a mouth on the end of it, the remake has two distinct heads protruding from its form, both not only with mouths, but with mouths that are forced to face each other. I don't think I need to explain why I find that so much more disturbing, and is a really small but valuable change to the design

[@chandlerburse]

Pretty sure the original also was meant to be two figures against each other

[@artemismoore4176]

I think the original is also great in this regard The lower figure having no mouth and having no power or ability to speak up about their abuse

[@fluidthought42]

​@@chandlerburseIt was a lot more... well abstract, particularly because of the strange mouth positioning. The new Abstract Daddy design is more obvious, which is good! It means that more people will understand earlier, which is a gut wrenching feeling.

[@chandlerburse]

@ being obvious isnt better

[@fluidthought42]

@chandlerburse "I know writers who use subtext, and they're all cowards." -Garth Marenghi For the record, none of the rest of the game is subtle in its symbolism. For example most monsters have distinctly feminine legs and asses, including the monster that is nothing but legs and ass. The symbolism of being attacked by a caricature of a woman reduced to the parts most meant for pleasure only comes across as mysterious because most people aren't on the lookout for any sexual subtext on the monsters.

[@alysiaa.]

another part of angela’s story that deeply enraged me, was the fact her Silent Hill is in sweltering heat. she’s surrounded by flames and unbearable warmth, this can allude to how it must’ve felt being trapped under the covers with a such sick man for God knows how long.

[@NarutoUzumaki-ix2gx]

💀

[@Splunkmastah]

I rejoiced at how this boss was redone, shooting at it, running from it, really Feeling the adrenaline of "Hell Yeah! This Fight Is Awesome!" Then I found that tiny room in the closet. It's the first time that the phrase "rollercoaster of emotions" has ever Really meant anything to me beyond a literary device. I was so sad and appalled by that room. As soon as I exited it, I no longer felt scared or even pumped for the fight. I was on a Hunt. Find the bastard. And Kill him. It surprised me. Angela's story wasn't new to me, I knew what she'd been through, but something about seeing it in the remake just..... enraged me. It was scary, but true horror often isn't. My heart hurts for anybody who relates to Angela in such a way. This world is full of some truly despicable people.

[@jordanloux3883]

A podcast I listened to (The Worst of All Possible Worlds) recently talked about Silent Hill 2, and how it gets you into James's mindset of wanting to be the hero (the kind he wanted to be for his wife and failed at), and how it shows how while it's admirable, it's ultimately a selfish mindset that hurts more than it helps, a seen by how Angela is furious at James right after the boss fight for treating her like the kind of helpless child her family did.

[@maskingtables]

Thats a childish reaction tbh

[@alvifadhollah]

Bloober really went all out on Angela's story.

[@Avelithe]

@@Splunkmastah You have no idea how cathartic it is to hear you say that. “I was on a hunt. Find the bastard. And kill him.” You honesty made me cry a little.

[@Splunkmastah]

@ It's honestly one of my most profound experiences with a game.

[@Foggert772]

I legitimately had to stop playing the game for a few days after the boss fight. I cannot fully describe the feelings i had. All the sounds and the imagery... i left that part so angry and scared. I looked at my wife and told her i needed to talk about it. I wasnt okay. I didnt feel okay. I tried my best to explain to her how much pain it made me feel. My mind was racing... my eyes were darting... my soul was burdened... i told her about thw character and what i went through and told her Angelas story and i told her i needed a hug. That whole segment of the game... was the best bit of art i think ive ever seen in anything. It stayed with me for DAYS. When i came back to the game i finally finished it and all i could do was think of how amazing this art was. The remake is exactly what the original is. Art. I havent been hurt EMOTIONALLY by a game in so long. We are so lucky something like this exists.

[@aceman9030]

damn dude you get influenced too easily

[@Foggert772]

@aceman9030 not really? You may not have felt the same, but my wife and my mom were both victims of this kinda thing. It just hit the nerve and was the most effective sequence in the game for me horror wise. I played my whole playthrough with headphones, and i was already on edge from sounds you dont hear without them. It was a very effective part of the game

[@Slaughter_Hill]

I really like the added touch of Angela running away from abstract daddy during the chase/fight

[@anthonyfournier1731]

Before the update the walls used to breathe and pulse too. Now they stay still

[@NykArbocker]

Those walls were cool. I'd deal with a framerate dip for something cool happening on screen, just like the PS2 days.

[@nativeX8977]

Is it the original or the remake you're referencing to?

[@anthonyfournier1731]

The remake had the walls pulsing/breathing like the pistons were pumping. After an update the walls don’t pulse. It was like the walls were a mattress being “pressed against/jumped on” along side the pistons

[@nativeX8977]

@@anthonyfournier1731 hmm I forgot in which version I played the remake, nor did I noticed and remembered the breathing movement detail on it

[@shadowshatto]

Hmm I don't really remember this and I played it before the first update, I do remember feeling like the pistons were kinda missing, it's the one thing the room is known for and I just feel like it wasn't really done well here, or maybe I'm just not messed up enough to notice the finer details idk

[@iamjackspyramidshapedhelmet]

The ‘descent into hell’ sequence was something a friend had used to hype up the game for me before I had played it for the first time as a kid, and I often do the same for new players now, telling them that it’s basically when the game goes from 0 to 100 😂 After the staircase it’s just jumping into hole after hole, until you no longer have any concept of how far you’ve descended. It’s absolutely nuts. As for the Abstract Daddy fight, I’ll forever commend Team Silent for utilizing sexual imagery in a way that isn’t remotely titillating and can’t possibly be construed as such. It’s just pure horror. I imagine that’s a hard thing to pull off (especially when a lot of gamers are…you know, _like that_ lol) and both Silent Hill 2 games do it magnificently.

[@joshshrum2764]

I always the downward mental decline the hotel has since it gets worse the more James, mentally disintegrates.

[@aeontars]

It reminds me of MGS2 when things start to go nuts after the torture minigame. Honestly there are a lot of weird parallels between SH2 and MGS2. - Game is a PS2 sequel to a PS1 game from Konami. - Later half of both games fall apart into a confusing mess where the player has no clue what is real or not. - The main character has an artificial character that they encounter throughout the story who is supposedly trying to help them come to terms with who they are but this character is very antagonistic at times. - The main character’s lover is inexplicably part of this fantastical scenario even though it makes little sense initially why they would even be here. - Game is less of an overt sequel to the original game and more something else. In this case they’re kind of inverts. MGS2 is a parallel of MGS1 while SH2 is completely disconnected from SH1. Edit: Thought of some more. - The game includes an extra little scenario/mission where you get to play as the secondary main character. In MGS2 it's meant to played first, but in SH2 it's meant to be played after the main game. - At the end of the game the main character has to go across a body of water to get to the final area. - Both games include the main character having suppressed memories of them killing people that they must come to terms with to be their true selves at the end. I know I’ve thought of more parallels between SH2 and MGS2 but I can’t remember them all.

[@unknownstranger3646]

Something i noticed when watching the abstract daddy remake is that it does some thrusting movements. I barely watched any silent hill stuff, but i do know pyramid head. Everything i know now is thanks to you. I noticed that the abstract daddy does these thrusting movements, which reflect what angela went through. However, to me, it's more noticeable in the remake than in the original. I mean, yes, you can see it in the original, too, but only barely. You can see it more clearly in the remake. Most importantly, in its first appearance.

[@Suiberis]

The topmost head is also noticeably more phallic, having a slight indentation that in some lighting, makes it resemble a wriggling male appendage. Really highlights Angela's horror well.

[@unknownstranger3646]

@Suiberis forgive me, but what does "phallic" mean? And I may not recognize the word but know the meaning, but what's an "indentation"?

[@Suiberis]

@@unknownstranger3646 It means resembling a penis. As for indentation, it means a recess, notch or depression in a surface.

[@pegusus12346]

Phallus is another term for penis, particularly an erect one. A phallic object means it looks like a penis. An indentation is where something has an indent. They're basically saying Abstract Daddy's head looks like a penis.

[@unknownstranger3646]

@@pegusus12346 oh. I see. Yeah, @Suiberis was right. That *does* highlight Angela's horror. Especially if it also means what I think it also means.

[@TheOGSovereignDomiTheyTrix]

As a survivor of incest, CSA, SA, and as a human trafficking survivor, I’ll never forget the shock of finding out this monster existed in the game. I knew what it represented immediately. And I’m still so sad that Angela didn’t get an alternate ending in the remake; at least give her peace. Yes, I know she’s supposed to represent those of whom don’t survive their worst traumas, but Angela being a literal child and portrayed as such in the remake, made my heart break for her so much more. Her not having some sort of alternate ending that gives her peace and helps her move on says to the players of whom Angela’s game is their reality: “You can’t survive this.” You can. You absolutely can. As a therapist now, for my therapy clients who game/are horror game fans (and there are many), I always use this game to make connection with those who have endured horrific trauma, and it has actually helped them connect with their own.

[@jameswest6232]

For what it's worth, there's a fanfic on AO3 named "Gentle Steps Forward" centered on Angela. It's basically a one-shot au where she manages to leave Silent Hill and shows her rebuilding her life and making strides in healing.

[@timebomb4562]

I'm sorry you went through that

[@scarlet16moons5]

I'm sorry you went through that and I admire your strength to want to help others despite what happened to you. I'm hoping they give a DLC for her that allows a good ending for her, for both her and fans in similar positions

[@TheOGSovereignDomiTheyTrix]

@@jameswest6232Bless you for this because I absolutely was gonna say I’ve always got fanfiction but it felt inappropriate in that comment so thank you 😭💖

[@TheOGSovereignDomiTheyTrix]

@@scarlet16moons5I would love to see a DLC. That would heal like 20yrs of trauma because by keeping Angela a victim, they’re also saying to those of us who’ve endured it: “You can’t survive this.”

[@MWDFrancis]

If anyone deserves healing and to leave silent hill, it’s Angela.

[@TheREALExposingtheJoyofS-px3ri]

Sounds like something a cucked beta-male would say. The woman deserves the chance, but the other two (men) don't...? Try thinking deeper. Maybe there's a lot more suffering with the other two that doesn't meet the eye...? According to Taoist teachings we're all one in the same consciousness. No one truly gets a free lunch in life, and everyone has their own versions of hell. Just, because someone might seem like they're living a good life doesn't actually mean that they are. It's easy to assume that the other two had it easier than Angela when you're THIRD EYE BLIND and disconnected from your own oneness or Samadhi, but I think in doing so is being foolish. "Nothing is as it seems"

[@AsAugustSleeps]

It really emphasizes how evil the town of Silent Hill is because Angela doesn’t deserve any more hell than what she has already been through yet she gets lured back there anyways.

[@consistentlystupid4726]

@@AsAugustSleeps Agreed. The town is indiscriminate in that regard and that's what makes it so horrifying. Angela did not deserve to have to re-live all of this.

[@SkeletonLeiutenant]

People talk about how in the older version it's so easy cause it shows that when the abuser is found they're a weak little bitch compared to who can stop it, because it's not James' nightmare. But the remake is likely showing not only how powerless she was, but how hard it is to help someone who's experienced something like this, because it's in the past and you can't change it, you can only help the victim move on.

[@jb2einziger]

I was so surprised with how much scarier and intense the abstract daddy fight was in this remake ! Genuinely terrifying !

[@slicksilver2961]

In the original Silent Hill 2, my head cannon as to why the Abstract Daddy was so easy was because it wasn’t Jame’s nightmare, it was Angela’s. And with it, James had no difficulty dispatching it since it had very little to do with him other than being grotesque and in the same room as he and Angela. In the remake however, James has to personally experience Angela’s hellscape, and while he has weapons to fight back, he is still in a situation where he has to run and hide from a bigger, faster and overall much more oppressive force.

[@AngelofGrace96]

What's interesting is the first time I saw the og Abstract Daddy area, I didn't realise the holes in the walls were pistons. I thought they were cameras flashing, taking photos of the 'action'. Which would be very disturbing in a completely different way.

[@ironiccaesar178]

That stairway always reminded me of the Central well of Dante's inferno: the Prison is pretty much the ninth circle in which we can find all kind of sinners, like the 6 hanged men in the courtyard, and at the bottom angela, eddie, james, walter sullivan, angela's dad and eddie's bully. All of em are traitors in some way and killed someone/destroyed someones life. Of em, james seems to be the "strongest" cause he's able to assist angela in her otherworld, killing the abstract daddy before he overcomes her, at the same time hes able tl end eddies journey. Both of these actions could imply that the town gave james some kind of decisional power but deprived him of knowledge, which was granted to angela and eddie instead beacuse their fate is already sealed (their graves are full of dirt) while james' isnt.

[@jamesnorman9160]

The remake improved a lot of the boss battles overall: back in the day you basically stood your ground, shot them a bit, then changed location and repeated. Now bosses have different phases, are far more mobile, and are harder to keep away from unless you use your dodge effectively. And some of them have environmental changes too. The Abstract Daddy's by far the best: you start off in the relatively 'normal' looking house that's meant to represent Angela's old home, which she no doubt sees as a prison and palce of pain and trauma, and the AD is this huge, loud and incredibly angry and violent force that smashes through doors and walls, tears the plaster out of the walls and more: like an abuser that tears through anything in it's way to get to it's victim. In fact I remember seeing a comment on the Silent Hill subreddit where someone said the sounds of the old fans/pistons spinning up sounds like flesh smacking upon flesh. Given what the AD represents...yuck. There's also the fact it's skin texture looks similar to cooked pork/human flesh, which considering Angela's burning Otherworld and the way she views men as digusting pigs, is also fitting.

[@rosenrot234]

I haven't felt genuine instant anger with a game in awhile. Hearing the tvs yelling "LOOK AT ME!". They got me good with that. I don't care what difficulty I'm on. I'm killing this boss with just melee. Abstract Daddy deserves it.

[@LordMalice6d9]

The Abstract Daddy sequence was by far the most disturbing and unnerving part of the game

[@samuelclayborne]

Broke my heart too when I heard it. Glad to know I wasn't the only one who picked that up... I bet he was saying that when berating her, and also while SA-ing her.

[@Coolguyme131]

i think the TV being destroyed causing the abstract daddy to be enrages could be interpenetrated as a more calm before the storm type of deal. when young Angela heard the TV was on she knew she was safe cause her dad was distracted but when she heard it turn off she knew what was about to happen to her

[@aliceveil622]

I never thought about that with the TVs! I thought that the concept of destroying those TVs were to symbolize shutting up the verbal/emotional abuse the father gave to Angela. You can hear tidbits of the shit he used to say to her.

[@msf2399]

It can be both! That’s the great thing about symbolism: it can portray multiple things at once.

[@global-sequence]

The whole concept of the Abstract Daddy boss fight is so all encompassing to me. Like the buildup to the presentation, the awful story behind it, all capped off with such an uncanny and unique name "Abstract Daddy". In a game with only a handful of boss fights SH2 does a great job of building up the few bosses that it does have. Back in the PS2 era I only ever played Silent Hill 4, but even before the remake added so much to this boss fight I can see how it contributed to giving this game the status that it did.

[@youknowwhoiam2771]

I have to say as a neophyte to the Silent Hill franchise I only had awareness of Pyramid Head and when I played the Silent Hill 2 remake and the Abstract Daddy showed up my initial thought was “really? I’m being bullied by an ugly portrait on legs? Is that supposed to be scary?” But then I learnt that it wasn’t a portrait but a bedspread with a larger figure overpowering a smaller one it really disturbed me, even more so than Pyramid Head

[@rosenrot234]

Yeah Silent Hill fans know the "The heck is that thing?! .....oh no" reaction well. And sometimes the "What is THAT?!" question is answered with "EVEN I DONT KNOW. WE'RE RUNNING. ITS BAD"

[@yungmodulus2237]

I don’t see many people talk about how gently his arm movement is when he tries to grab you. Like a soft hug. It’s a very twisted detail

[@quinnzykir]

0:55 LONG STAIRCASE?! GO SLINKY GOOOOOOOO!!!!

[@Jordan-wv2xz]

There's a sort of audacity in deploying a slinky Ace Ventura-style in Silent Hill of all places.

[@quinnzykir]

@ thank you

[@Asenagami44]

One thing I hated about James' reaction to Angela beating "daddy's" corpse was him trying to tell her to calm down. This girl has gone through hell and back and had something taken from her that she can never get back, and it's very clear that James does not understand this at all. Which to me adds on another layer of how self-centered his character can be.

[@watching7721]

In fairness, we can consider the boss fight a case of dramatic irony. James is fighting for his life against a monster, so I highly doubt he's picking up on the imagery of the fight in the same way the audience is

[@JonRinzRaccotterz]

Original James is everything a counselor shouldnt be, lol. I mean he has a total death wish especially telling a dude with a gun "you've gone NUTS!"

[@tttttttttttttttp12]

Self centered? He just fought a horrible monster, and he didn't even know what had happened to her until after. If I saw someone tweaking out and beating a corpse (even the corpse of a monster) I'd tell them to calm down too.

[@mattschmerbeck8375]

The entire section of the game from the moment you go down this stairwell until you finish the Labyrinth was the most effed up area of the game.

[@shenloken2]

I actually am quite disgusted how people “improved” Angela by making her “hotter” in mods. It shows they don’t care about her backstory! They don’t care she was a victim of inner family abuse mentally and sexually! 😞

[@Ahrpigi]

Reminds me of my friend pointing out that shipping Shinji and Rei in Evengelion is super gross, because she's literally a clone of his mom.

[@foosbooze263]

I have to preface by saying I never played the original in full. I have played the remake and while I was being deeply disturbed by everything about Angela’s trauma; I never once thought, man this chick should be hotter. Truly some disgusting weirdos out there.

[@SamuelBlack84]

Social media shows people for who they really are

[@mywifesboyfriend5558]

There's Rule 34 guys everywhere.

[@shenloken2]

True. But even some NSFW artists have standards: Like not drawing porn of characters who are clearly rape victims.

[@starparodier91]

My best friend and I played SH2 in ~2003 when we were 12 (I had the PS2 and I asked my parents for it and they got it for me). We’d switch over the controller for boss fights etc like we always did with single player games. When we got to Abstract Daddy, it was my friend’s turn. We hardly spoke during it as we both figured out the implications of what we were seeing very quickly. Thankfully neither of us had ever experienced what Angela did- but we knew. We saved after that and didn’t play it for a bit or talk about it. I played the OG on the same PS2 and CRT earlier this year and it was rough. Playing the new version… also rough. It’s the metal pistons in the walls that always get me.

[@IvyHilts]

The OG is my favourite game and I think the same as you. This fight, the meaning and symbolism is perfect, really a great improvement. All of Angela’s story is handled with beautiful respect and understanding.

[@derekcampbell4209]

I couldn’t agree more. Was my favorite fight from the game. And during it I was thinking “holy shit this is fantastic”. The sound design, the atmosphere, the story, everything. Afterwards I was left in awe at how much is surpassed my expectations.

[@Robbiebert14]

Have I played the silent hill 2 remake? No. Have I played the original silent hill 2? No. Am I still gonna watch this video? You betcha!

[@jordanloux3883]

I'm hearing a lot of the same comments about Abstract Daddy that I heard about Eddie Gluskin in the Outlast DLC, and even the Xenomorph from the Alien franchise. About how some of the most horrific stuff comes from putting men in women's shoes and making them feel the kinds of things they need to live with and fear every day.

[@rosenrot234]

Ooo that's a fun comparison.

[@CommunityGuidelines]

It's not just women who experience severe childhood abuse.

[@Septqmber]

That's hardly OP's point. ​@@CommunityGuidelines

[@CommunityGuidelines]

@@Septqmber OP is virtue-signaling, and marginalizing the horrors that young boys equally suffer at the hands of monsters. OP's "point" is the notion that women suffer more than men, but this is a lie.

[@AlmaHeartfire]

Yeah most of the best horror in my opinion is the real fears all women have to be aware about to be safe and it really goes to show how half the population doesn't have to share them that makes it all the more impactful to learn or experience it

[@Langtw]

I know that "Born From A Wish" is an inevitable DLC, but I really *REALLY* hope we might get DLC focusing on Angela, Laura, or even Eddie. We now know that many endings lead to a loop... I really wish that it was possible to bring Angela to a better end. It wouldn't make sense for James to be the one to save her, but maybe... idk, maybe Angela encounters a loop of James where he recognizes aspects of himself in the Abstract Daddy and is killed, saying that this is his punishment, but that leads to Angela having her own opportunity for a 'leave' ending.

[@opo3628]

Tragedy exists. Not everything *needs* a happy ending.

[@turdburglar-d2w]

I'm really hoping we get dlc focusing on David Duchovny.

[@LadyGendercide]

I just wanna use the Great Knife as a weapon instead of a boring puzzle mechanic

[@AndyCarrington-cf3ib]

Angela, Eddie and Laura all experience their own different versions of Silent Hill, so it would be a lot of work for DLC. We get glimpses of their versions, (the morgue/freezers in Eddie's boss fight, the burning staircase with Angela and of course the Daddy boss fight, and I believe the Hotel is how Laura sees it, an idyllic, serene version). I also think Laura's vision of Silent Hill isn't abandoned, but the seemingly normal people are still manifestations that are identical and behave like normal people. Laura clearly isn't in the real Silent Hill as the Lake view Hotel has burned down by the events of the game, yet Laura is wondering around it, oblivious to that fact

[@falconeshield]

Laura's Silent Hill was that Piglet game it all makes sense now.

[@lapistmacir1014]

What people need to realize is a lot of the added content was content that the original devs wanted to include the first go around but couldn't because of hardware limits and dvd disc space. The cube room puzzle was supposed to be as it is in the remake and so is the Abstract Daddy fight. I've watched vids and interviews with the old crew and they wanted to include stuff similar to what was added to the Remake. (The one thing I could live without is how many portions to the Labyrinth they added felt like some of it could have been a bit smaller but I understand it was intended to be larger anyway) First time I did this fight I was grinning with joy at the intricate the boss was and I was so amped for it. Btw it helps to be a Souls player. I might have played the Silent Hill series first but my time playing Bloodborne and Dark Souls really helped the most.

[@jameswest6232]

Every time I think about Angela asking James if he'd love and care for her, all I can think is "Honestly, I'd be happy if I could help you love yourself."

[@Gmanawesomeness]

She’s asking him that completely sarcastically. She does not believe she has any chance for redemption

[@Deepstab1]

​@Gmanawesomeness I dont think she cares for redemption, she doesn't feel guilty about killing her dad and brother, she feels destroyed by the fact that no one in the world cares about her, and never did She wants nothing more than someone to tell her she is loved and important and to mean it.

[@RichardHudlin]

I see it as her calling his bluff. James thinks he's a knight in shining armor, but when it gets truly tough he looks for a way out. He acts concerned for Angela but the reality is that he lacks the integrity to truly help her or anyone else in the way needed.

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

@@RichardHudlinJames thinks non of those things about himself. He has no confidence through the entire game.

[@LordMalice6d9]

​@@Deepstab1Angela's entire story is tragically sad.

[@rayven1178]

I genuinely feel bad for Angela. She seems like a very kind and gentle soul that was used and abused. I was glad killing abstract daddy brought her a moment of comfort and peace.

[@marmaladelover1]

I was sobbing at every scene in the boss fight. its so fuicking sad what happened to her and i think this is the greatest game of all time. the original and remake together create the most interesting storys in any piece of media.

[@User-VerseS]

Another fact that undermined the OG Abstract Daddy is that you continue fighting smaller versions of it later on. Reducing it to be a common enemy for James instead of something only Angela was forced to fight or run against. I'm curious if Angela would have been completely helpless to the Abstract Daddy if she didn't give James the knife.

[@markcobuzzi826]

That is one reason that a fan can argue for why it was a good idea to replace the miniature abstract daddies with the mandarins hanging from ceilings. Either way, the hotel is giving players one last new enemy, which is an alteration of a previously encountered monster (the abstract daddy if it was smaller and appeared multiple times, or the mandarin when it hangs from a ceiling above versus a grating underneath). And one could argue that this change allows both the abstract daddy and mandarins to be more uniquely utilized monsters.

[@aSuspiciousPete]

FK I'm a 35 years old grown ass man and I've had a nightmare last night after playing this moment in the game.

[@thefearofg0ds758]

The scariest moment for me was the boat ride across Toluca lake. They built it up really good with that spooky story about the Little Baroness, and then blue balling your imagination by having pages torn out that apparently detailed another "stranger incident" regarding the lake that we'll never know about. My first playthrough I was creeped out and waiting for something to happen.

[@rosenrot234]

Could have been a nod to the arcade game that involved the baroness

[@chandlerburse]

@@rosenrot234pretty sure the baroness was in the original Sh lore

[@rosenrot234]

@@chandlerburse Yes but there is a arcade game that has a thing related to it. That could be the thing that got yoinked out just as a cheeky lil reference.

[@chandlerburse]

@ no im pretty sure the arcade game was based on the baroness story from SH2 OG not the other way around with the remake referencing it

[@rosenrot234]

@@chandlerburse Apologies then I'm wording it poorly. I'm just going by what I assumed would be a logical reason for some stuff being torn out. This game is loaded with nods to all the other games so that's the mindset I was going for.

[@vordeseite7273]

Like...Jesus. Honestly, all I can say is that Angela should've been saved.

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

Art imitates life I guess.

[@WatcherXel]

They all should have been saved, but not everyone can be, which is what makes the story so tragic.

[@juliaboskamp9666]

Sad part is there are so many Angela's in real life. Most of them don't get safed, even if we really wanted to safe them.

[@dannic234]

Me and my partner are victims of childhood sexual abuse and we thought this boss fight was the worst change in the game. It's bombastic and intence, that's not what it's like. So much of the rest of the game captures the feeling of the horror its envoking but this section was just completely off , the original was simple but much closer, just casually there and disgusting

[@sariah77]

heres what i want. alternate ending where angela meets laura, who helps her relearn the childhood innocence that she never got to have. they have no families of their own anymore so they can be each others family. angela could be lauras big sister, protecting & looking out for her. just imagine the 2 of them hanging out drawing together. james can go do whatever but THIS is the ending i want dammit

[@TheREALExposingtheJoyofS-px3ri]

Awwww. :*( You want a fantastical BS-based ending...? Scared to accept the truth to how ugly the world is? You must be a zoomer... And probably a leftist too. Well, I'm glad Silent Hill 2 DIDN'T have that ending for Angela, because if it did... her character would no longer feel human. That's what makes these characters have SOUL... the way they were written and not only for Angela, but for the other two too (James and Eddie). It's the pain and suffering; The FLAWS they had... that's what made them so impactful. Giving them happy endings ((that never happen for trauma victims irl)) takes away from the immersion.

[@AsAugustSleeps]

Maybe I’m wrong but I see Laura as evil. She’s a manifestation used by the town to constantly deceive James and heap undeserved guilt onto him. The ending where he “leaves” with Laura is a bad ending because it means the town trapped him forever.

[@ElizabethGonzalez-hl9ls]

I felt so sad for her character, really seeing her story be displayed in such a light and way really left me with so much anguish

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Angela did nothing wrong!

[@danialyousaf6456]

I mean she didn't. But she's too broken to realize that.

[@TheOGSovereignDomiTheyTrix]

@@danialyousaf6456As a therapist, “broken” is one of the worst words you can use towards a victim. Call her what she is; “Traumatized”.

[@Necro12121]

GRIFIIIIIIIIIITH!!!!!

[@Kropothead]

And Silent Hill just wants her to know that, but man, it’s BAD at therapy.

[@angmori172]

Amen, Angela did nothing wrong

[@sinistersaint]

While this was all awful and horrific, what really got to me were the sounds of those pistons. It made my blood run cold and bile rise in my throat. It was just... too visceral, and I appreciate Bloober for capturing the horror of what Angela went through. Poor girl.

[@nixxie119]

I absolutely love how they improved this fight. It really makes it feel like YOU are the victim. I love the detail of hearing Abstract Daddy's thunderous footsteps and the house literally coming down around you, because as a small, defenseless child, that's how it would feel. It would feel like the walls are crumbling and the house is shaking. That detail alone made this fight so much more intense and all the more heartbreaking. Small side tangent: It's a genuine surprise to me that Bloober Team handled this game the way they did, seeing as the other games they've made that revolve around mental health weren't very well received. I was so worried that the game would fall flat. I'm sure many people would've been fine with a one to one recreation. But the fact that they kept the same story beats while adding more flair to it makes it feel like you're playing it again for the first time.

[@avian1799]

What really bothered me about the OG Abstract Daddy was that, come the Lakeview Hotel, its a regular enemy for some reason. It didn‘t feel like it did Angela‘s story justice, like it took away from what you just experienced. A rare miss in the Original

[@heiscomingg8870]

Imagine falling down the stairs to Toluca Prison

[@josedorsaith5261]

"I've faaawlen and I can't get up!"

[@Klausinator451]

I think you'd just be a puddle by the time you hit the bottom.

[@AvatarN]

"I have been falling for 30 minutes"

[@WatcherXel]

This is the part I was most worried about when the remake was announced. And it did not disappoint. I am glad they kept the original music as well.

[@JonRuin]

I would add to the significance of the tv is, probablly the abuse stoped when the dad was qatching the tv, thats why when you shoot it, the dad start attacking again

[@rosenrot234]

Also stuff like a tv would be used to drown out the noise of abuse. No noisy tv, the Daddy can't hide.

[@AsAugustSleeps]

Unpopular opinion but I actually like the original better. The claustrophobic room that you can’t escape with pistons firing all around you definitely simulates SA better than the remake. I also feel like the original monster was more revolting. The new one felt like I was being chased by a teddy bear coming out of a painting because of the arms and lack of depth to the bed.

[@roonkolos]

Probably the scariest thing about the Abstract Daddy, at least to me, is that what James and us see Thats not what Angela saw. Thats just what James perceived what she might see Which means either 1) the thing she was was FAR worse or 2) in my opinion being even MORE terrifying. She saw her Dad as he was. She didnt need to imagine a monster when she already saw what one looked like her entire life

[@watching7721]

I don't think he was quite like Maria to James. I think he is consistently a monster for Angela too because Eddie's manifestations appeared like human corpses for James, so clearly the manifestations have similarities between different people. But for James, it manifests as the more general idea of abuse, while for Angela he probably had a more specific appearance that only she would know

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

I know I said this in the last video, but man I desperately wish there was an ending where we left with Angela like we could with Laura and Maria😢

[@thegemguy1334]

Leaving with Maria is a bad ending though.

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

@thegemguy1334 I know it is, but still

[@acgearsandarms1343]

It’s tragic but Angela is right. James can’t take care of her or take away all her pain. She is also afraid of men. So it’s not really feasible he can leave with her.

[@HAZRE.]

I'm a huge SH fan, and I have to say that the remake is such a pleasure (and a relief) to experience. In all honesty, I really didn't have high hopes when it was announced that Bloober was at the helm of the remake, but they did such an incredible job across the board. By the time I got to the AD fight it just cemented the fact that the remake had more than done the original justice. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being a purist, placing more importance on their nostalgia. You can prefer the original to the remake and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the remake isn't a brilliant showcase on how to faithfully remake a game while keeping everything that made that game as beloved as it is. I don't see why people can't enjoy BOTH rather than pitting them against each other.

[@Vattgh3rn]

In a way Angelas story reminds me of Jills from Berserk Two female characters who have suffered in their real lives looking for an escape from their reality but only to be told by the protagonist "There is no paradise for you to escape to, only battlefields"

[@MadLadMJ]

Great comparison actually! The Lost Children arc is an amazing arc in Berserk

[@ilanselaphiel2557]

I absolutely detest how Abstract Daddy looks like two people locked in a latex vacuum bed. The implications are revolting. Gotta be my favourite boss in the game, so wonderfully creepy.

[@timebomb4562]

Silent hill 2 is touted by many as the best horror game of all time With this kind of thing it's easy to see why

[@filipvadas7602]

To be fair, I can understand the boss in the original being both easy and somewhat anticlimactic for thematic reasons. For one, its James fighting someone else's demon, not his own. But also the fact that Angela's father was, at the end of the day, just an abuser who only had any real power when he tortured someone weaker than himself. Once he, or rather this twisted shadow of him, encountered someone who could actually fight back; he folded like a wet paper towel. However, the remake changing the fight to put James, and by extension the player, in Angela's perspective is *brilliant* The sheer panic and unpredictability of the boss fight gives you just a *small taste* of what it must have been like for a child to grow up in an enviorment like that.

[@kylelonergan1980]

This was truly terrifying. I used up all my ammo and health items. The speed of this thing made it almost impossible to heal. I really loved how they made it more of a run hide chase fight. The tension in the corridors and listening to the recordings. So much work and detail went into this compared to the original

[@bugdrinkk]

The worst thing is, what you see is not what Angela truely sees. The abstract daddy we see is formed from James' perspective, his wife laying in her hospital bed. So her perspectives design is probably 10x saddening

[@maskingtables]

As a victim of SA. I think Changing the quiet original version for the sake of spectacle is a bit tasteless. Real abuse is more similar to the first game. Uncomfortable and unspoken. Nobody is sure of what to do. It is quiet and bleak Nobody sees the abuser as a huge monster, the events are messy and nobody remembers/wants to talk about it. I honestly dislike the remake version. Because it simplifies the abuser as a Slenderman type violent monster. Abuse is, more often than not, not necessarily physically violent. It is way more insidious and harder to detect. Most victims dont know they were victims. Turning the raw, monotone, and vague nature of abuse into a Hollywood slasher is a huge diservice to the story. It is similar to The Sound of Freedom movie. It has good intentions but it portrays a false Hollywood style version of the problem. This can lead more people to assume SA is a black and white easy to spot thing. This is why the original Angela is the better representation. She is difficult to like, problematic and whatever happened to her are muddled by a broken memory, because memories abuse are often fractured. It is vague and confusing, not an obvious monster chasing you down the hall.

[@migfulcrum1]

Based on what you are writing, it would be better to at least replace the monster fight with fighting the human enemy to better represent the issue.

[@JordanMontgomery-y6j]

The game isn't based on YOUR trauma plus it's a video game

[@chandlerburse]

@@JordanMontgomery-y6j maybe you should tone down the defensiveness of the game

[@JordanMontgomery-y6j]

@@chandlerburse I'm just saying its a video game and it's a boss fight so he can cry about it womp womp

[@AlmaHeartfire]

Yeah it feels a bit disingenuous to me as well as you said a spectacle while the og was claustrophobic and still scary but in a quieter more dreadful way

[@YariTheImpaler]

The flesh walls "breathe" again in the latest patch, which will make subsequent runs all the more harrowing.

[@tashibalampkin8555]

8:07 Ok, Jack Baker. We get it. Walls are no match for you.

[@Dctctx]

James thought he could just slip out before dinner was done

[@Sarah-qx4vz]

The whispering leading up to the boss fight in the apartment rooms was so freaky. It’s also scary hearing the father screaming at Angela through the tv audio.

[@chandlerburse]

The whispering happens in Blue Creek apartments thats way before the boss fight with Abstract Daddy

[@Blumoon_vii]

Angela Father scared me. i was shaking

[@Anastasia2048]

It's upsetting that for a lot of children this is their reality they constantly live with.

[@danielfishbein5492]

Thank you @FatBrett for the well written, well described, and cohesively expressed ideas. Your essays are a joy to listen to and you bring a level of logical thoughtfulness rarely found. Your writing skills are unparalleled and your delivery brings so much additional ethos and pathos. Thank you for your command of the English language and thank you for sharing it with us.

[@LittleAmyHe]

This remake really succeeded in making me feel so much dread, fear, and anxiety. Even something small like having James sound and look violent when stomping on enemies affected me. It made me wince every single time.

[@ScaerieTale]

This brings new meaning to Angela throwing the TV at him in the original game. I always wondered why that was there (knowing they didn't put things like that in for no reason)

[@jobliski4266]

Really imo all the boss fights are absolute improvements over the og.

[@bloxtoonyt7671]

god, the more i look at the new design of the abstract daddy, the more im disgusted and angry what they did to Angela. It feels really satisfying to kill that thing, knowing that angela did kill both the father and brother in reality, the second time, James killing the embodiment of her father and her kicking the dead abstract daddy and throwing the tv was a releif. But sadly she is still scarred from that bad moment of her childhood, and thinking she deserves to die...

[@rainingnights1409]

I like the way the machinery is designed, like everything is moving in that repeating motion, unstoppable, clearly representing the sexual abuse in a very crude way. I love it

[@codbdup88]

Maybe I’m the only one but I thought it was a door not a mattress until after the fight.

[@EclipseStudio]

What got me were the sounds, especially those of the environment. The only descriptor that comes to mind is "violating". Just being in that area made me uncomfortable and I couldn't wait to get out.

[@not_decaf]

I was worried the remake wouldnt capture the original tone. But seeing this is pretty great, it implys so much more and i really appreciate that. I havent played the remake, its too expensive for me.

[@KalCounty]

I also like the added detail that through the tv static you can hear her father yelling at her. Adds another layer onto the character showing what a monster he was.

[@gas481]

hes actually not invulnerable. NG+ I knocked buddy out in two seconds with the chainsaw whenever he tried to give me the smoke. That little kid run is straight up nightmare fuel tho

[@DarrenSmith-j8m]

I was tripping during the staircase cause I thought it was endless and I had to turn my light off and on and I kept thinking the wall texture was changing

[@Stigmatix666]

Masahahara Ito himself redisegned this fight though. He also designed the originals' fight.. Don't give Blooper the credit for this one

[@BlackGuyTv]

I just finished watching three of your other silent Hill videos 😂

[@354Entertainment]

There are 23 years past... Team Silent would also make the boss battle different today...

[@normalmixo]

I love the changes to the daddy fight, but I don't really like the changes made to its visuals. The addition of the second mouth makes it a much less subtle design, and the lack of a forward-facing mouth makes it feel less threatening to me; less like a grotesque canid predator and more like a sculpture on legs. The whole sequence makes the symbolism a lot less understated - which for the most part, I think, is a good thing - but that design is something I really miss from the OG.

[@Halo44327]

I have to agree with you on the beginning. What part of “ordinary” are you assuming in a place like Silent Hill?

[@tashibalampkin8555]

Your explanation of breaking of the TV is brilliant.

[@Rotsuoy]

My only issue with the way they 'improved' the Abstract Daddy's fight, is that... it's not James' fight, and that's kind of why I was always fine with the fight being seemingly pathetic for James. The Abstract Daddy is Angela's demon, not James'. Also, a lot of times, men who prey on children, especially their own children, aren't really confident enough to stand up to other men who confront them, and are even cowardly about it. Child predators go after children because children are weak, so of course James would be able to destroy the Abstract Daddy easily. I always wished there was a option *not* to kill the Abstract Daddy, instead of rushing in to be the Superman that James always thinks of himself as. If I were to 'improve' the Abstract Daddy fight, I would give the option to have Angela fight him alone, because her defeating her own father in this world, in that form, is, in my opinion, they only way she'll ever really be free of Silent Hill.

[@PoliteFoxofficial]

I have mostly positive things to say about this remake! I felt that same nostalgic sense of dread when playing that I felt years ago! My husband watched me play and was not really phased by it, but he did say the abstract daddy fight left him feeling disturbed more than anything else in the game.

[@somewherefish]

It supposed to be this way. This "dad" was a threat for a little girl, and only because of her fear and subjective authority of her father. Any grown up man can deal with him easily, especially with a weapon. Real world shows it - mostly PDF's are weak and puny and being abused by other men in prisons. Literally anyone can kick it like a ball. But with kids they are "strong", "powerful", etc., and making their revenge/compensation with the weak for its fullest. Thing is, most likely that's the whole point of what SH wanted from this girl. To realize, how weak this man was, to realize it when she at last will fight back, thus making it end emotionally. This barrier is mental. So at the end, ofc MC is killing it like a dog in seconds, thus also ruining the lesson for her. Notice how she is immediately rushes to kick the daddy corpse, after it got killed. It means the same thing I said - she wanted to, but was afraid of it, the real obstacle was always in her brain. She failed, the same as Jim. She must do it herself. SH doesn't care about human morals - it tries to make you accept, and step over, either to darkness or to light. For those who are failed, there is only death, and eternal suffering, trapped in there forever as a ghost. Well, for those who choose the dark path, there is also Alessa, and hers manipulations, which will kill you too. And I guess for those who are having no problems or get over it, there is also a cult remains (and their god), who will try to kill them too. Silent Hill, a truly fun place to be. This remake is but a zoomers fun. Any SH fan will beat it on hardest in a day or two, while also be having more than 100 healing items in stock. Extremely easy, but yeah, now it's more of a "game". An attraction, even just a movie kinda.

[@chandlerburse]

The town didnt want anything from Angela it does not actually care if the person gets closure or not

[@chandlerburse]

Alessa didnt choose a dark path she was a victim of the cult

[@deathscam7628]

The sound on the stairs is the horn of the little baroness