The Scarlet Crusade's Rise & Embarrassing Fall in WoW | Asmongold Reacts

[@Devoidofeyes]

I love how Mcconnel just detected paladin smeаring and came in..."fight me" :D

[@DanielRodriguez-vf2sk]

most insecure class in the game - barnybee

[@richardquinto477]

LOL

[@EvanCops]

@@DanielRodriguez-vf2sk it's so true lol

[@dommguard]

Couldn't watch the vid from that point. He's so obnoxious and annoying...

[@ThatsYourNamebruh]

Like a true paladin! But I figure that's why they die in lore all the time...

[@RaytheonThunder]

The way Blizzard retconned the hell out of the Scarlet Crusade was always so annoying to me. Originally Scarlet Crusade was founded by several members like Alexandros Mograine, Saidan Dathrohan (the real one), Taelan Fordring, General Abbendis, etc. And they were initially a pretty heroic faction albeit a bit overzealous (which was understandable considering what they went through and their circumstances). They became the main bastion of the Lordearon's resistance after the fall of Garithoses faction, the "New Alliance" in FT. And the Scalet Crusade was doing pretty good initially despite their over zealotry around the vanilla WoW timeline. They were allied with the Stormwind-led Alliance and were almost on the verge of retaking Lordaeron from the forsaken (Alexandros with Ashbringer was a great force multiplier). And it was at this point that Saidan got killed and replaced by Balnazzar thus eventually leading Balnazzar in the guise of Saidan to manipulate Renault Mograine into assassinating his own father. It is at this point the reshuffling of the Scarlet Crusade leadership at the tail end of the Vanilla WoW period is where things start to go bad for the Scarlet Crusade. When they became the crazy radical extremists. And it was a great tragedy what became of them despite their noble origins. However, Blizzard later changed the timeline and story/lore for the Scarlet Crusade by making it so that Scarlet Crusade was only ever formed after the death/murder of Alexandros by Saidan (Balnazzar). Essentially erasing their noble origins/history and making it so that they were a bunch of radical xenophobic nutjobs from the very beginning. They essentially erased all the nuance from an interesting and well-developed grey faction. And made the Scarlet Crusade just another doomsday cult in a world utterly full of them. Scarlet Crusade had such great potential for an interesting morally grey story but Blizzard utterly wasted them.

[@rahn45]

I think most people who played WC3 empathized with the Scarlet Crusade, and really would come to the conclusion that their paranoia was completely justified; you know since a cult of death infiltrated their kingdom and brought ruin to it. In a lot of ways they were an embodiment of Arthas' will back in Stratholme: That what they were doing was a necessary evil. If the lore had went down a different path I imagine we could hear stories of how the former members of the Silver Hand lamented that they did not listen to Arthas at the time, perhaps even resenting Uther's choice to abandon the prince; and that the loss of Lorderon and their prince was ultimately their fault. As such, their resolve is tempered by how deep their failure ran; that it took so much from them all. Mercy killing each other would make all the more sense to the Scarlet Crusade, especially since they got to see what being turned into undead did to Arthas: Turned into a weapon against your own people.

[@Jytube231]

Modern-era Blizzard's utter contempt for worldbuilding outside of "X is 100% good, Y is 100% bad" is beyond sad. Absolute superhero capeshit levels of writing.

[@Jytube231]

​@@epiccthulu I don't think YOU understand worldbuilding. Storytelling is a major contributor to worldbuilding. Having story aspects that extend beyond the immediate "frame" of action, past and present, to create a world where the action actually influences the landscape. The "World" of Shadowlands was an adhoc, tacked-together, poorly concealed retcon. An attempt to fix 15 years of contradictions and sloppy, under-the-rug writing.

[@Jytube231]

@@epiccthulu It does count as word building, it's just incredibly shallow with little to no relevance to anything that comes before it, as made incredibly evident by the fact that they have to explain every single facet of the world like it was brand new (it all was) and pretend like it was "planned" for years. The concept of death, undeath and the afterlife has played a huge part in Warcraft's lore from the beginning, and many characters have been resurrected, yet none of them have ever referenced the Shadowlands prior to the xpac release? Compare that to old-world concepts, like the Emerald Dream. Compare the world to that of Northrend, which felt familiar and lived-in, having been referenced endlessly both on-screen and off-screen in the content before WOTLK was released.

[@Jytube231]

@@epiccthulu Vanilla Gnomer and The Deadmines impacted and shaped the World of Warcraft universe more than anything in Shadowlands did/will moving forwards.

[@jwaffle42]

I love hearing Mcconnel defend his paladin. The best video was when he had a whole paladin "help group" and they all hopped in one at a time. Love you guys

[@Torcalie]

Uthers gathering 😂 that video and the mechagon hardmode are my favorite

[@T3RS1]

I as a Blood Knight listenning to this argument between those two ... dude .. what a tragedy. What is better ... Silverhand or Warriors ... well non. Blood Knights forever dude! Do you think aliance paladins are cool? Think again! Do you think we have to believe in holy and be righteous to wield holy magic? Do you think we have to beg the light for it's blessings? NO and NO AGAIN! We take what we want. We use what we want. WE ARE THE BLOOD KNIGHTS!

[@johncotto48]

@@T3RS1 blood knights were the Sith Lords of WoW

[@c0ded56]

To tag into that argument though….Varian Wrynn died to trash mobs and he seemed to be a warrior

[@brendanmccarthy492]

You wanna duel!!?!

[@DuhJuhBuh]

The Scarlet Crusade was one of my favorite factions in WoW back in the day - I even collected all the Scarlet Crusade items cause I thought it was such a cool outfit. God, this makes me wanna log onto WoW again.

[@nolabets3130]

one of the biggest missed opportunities was making a Scarlet Crusade expansion instead of cataclysm, we could have returned from northrend to see that the Scarlet Crusade is asserting it's dominance and they could have tied that in to the light.

[@DuhJuhBuh]

@@nolabets3130 That would have been absolutely incredible. Especially since in WotLK I was running through Scarlet Monastary over and over for wool cloth to sell, so I was deep into it already.

[@DrRussPhd]

You will hate yourself in the morning if you do. . .

[@nolabets3130]

@@UltimateGamerCC See i love that so much, imagine you have them mount their attack aided by the light in some crazy deal they made with the Naaru and this is how you also bring Yrel back into the story, the Allied race questline for the Mag'har Orcs is still one of my favourite moments in all of wow ever.

[@denixboi8004]

Dont bro the game u used to know is gone

[@RamessesIll]

Mcconnel saying“Trust me, buddy. Sacrificing something for your friends is something you’ll never understand” was too deep and personal 😂

[@Dead2rights843]

Asmon bought his pc twice

[@e39shady]

Huge elephant in the room is Asmon has provided endless opportunities for McConnell to build his platform and get rich from it, but alas the legendary paladin known as Mccool only streams when rent is due.

[@e39shady]

@@Dead2rights843he got drunk and pissed on it

[@viktorpettersson9975]

​@@e39shadyur weird

[@e39shady]

@@viktorpettersson9975 ur mom

[@ciingasniingas5618]

asmon's hairline is like our economy, experiencing a great recession

[@chrystalleace]

The economy is like my hair line actually, non existent

[@Sneakyfresh286]

I wish I had as much hair as the economy

[@chrystalleace]

I heard you can pay for a hair line but it involves having your ass hair just above your forehead, i instantly regretted not washing my ass for the past 32 yrs

[@cheefqueef6494]

Asmon has more hair strands than I have earned in stocks

[@whatster8753]

Thanks to sloppy joe! yup!!!

[@Sawyer300100]

Funniest thing about the whole "He's not a paladin", is that he uses paladin spells in game in the OHB dungeon from TBC when you go to old SS.

[@herrpdurrp]

Even in normal scarlet monestary he bubbles in vanilla

[@CodyBlakeDay]

Doesn't he use lay on hands when what's her name rezzes him

[@thanatos6902]

He wears warrior's armor to honor the fallen warriors of his city

[@ANDELE3025]

Incorrect, Alexandros only has melee attacks and the event effect ability that all the scene npcs have. You are thinking of the warden commander who not only looks different (and has Asmon hairline), but is part of the thrall plot, not ashbringer one.

[@handsinthefire]

The best thing about McConnel is that he rp's a paladin irl without knowing it, even down to the zealotry.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

McConnell is incorrect, it isn't usually Warriors that graduate into Paladins it's Priests. Canonical lore for Paladins: Priests figured out how to wear plate while fighting the Scourge. Anduin: Human Priest who became a Paladin. Lady Liadrin: Blood Elf Priest who became a Paladin. Yrel: Draenei Priest who became a Paladin. Delas Moonfang: Night Elf Priest who became a Paladin. Now some Paladins were Warriors first like Alexandros Morgraine and Aponi Whitemane, but most Paladins of note were former Priests.

[@FerreiraDeAssis]

I think that's where the different specializations come into play, with the priests that become paladins being Holy, and the warriors either Protection or Retribution.

[@EternalBaladeur]

Anduin is still a priest according to the story team. Guess being a priest, wearing plate and fighting with a sword isn't enough for some reason

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@EternalBaladeur I call bullshit, they just don't want to admit he's a paladin now because of Hearthstone or something.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@FerreiraDeAssis Liadrin and Yrel would probably disagree with you on that (Being prot and ret respectively).

[@EternalBaladeur]

@@thenerdbeast7375 Yes I agree it's stupid, he's definitely a paladin in my eyes too, but ultimately, we don't get to choose, Blizzard's in charge

[@Jade_Raven]

okay some of the dk starter quests sucked (yes specifically the one where you have to autoattack people), but I take massive offense to saying the starting zone sucked, it was an amazing and epic experience

[@LordAlbrecht]

Almost every quest employed some sort of cool tech new to the expansion. It was the first time we've seen phasing utilized to such an extent as to actually see the impact we had on the zone as we go along. Every quest rewarded talents or a piece of awesome looking armor, there was even a quest to go out and steal a horse before corrupting it and making it your mount. The DK starter experience was amazing and this guy is just wrong imo

[@Spacejellow]

I think it's because it actually gives you backstory and let's you play through it. Can't think of another time that happened

[@Dene181]

this

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

Yeah especially since the quest with the auto attack was meant to bring the expertise with one handed swords up to snuff, before they completely discarded it with cata... There was an idea behind it.

[@zetterburger]

No, no it wasn’t.

[@baylaust]

I legit appreciate that Asmon actually watches the ads for the videos he reacts to, and doesn't just skip them like most other content creators do. Like he said once, "If I'm gonna steal their content, the least I can do is watch the bit that paid for it."

[@davidlundgren6153]

Name one content creator that skips them

[@bagyitaw]

Shroud?

[@takaisilvr]

@@davidlundgren6153 most people will skip it and plug their own sponsors.

[@hentaidude666]

​@@davidlundgren6153 all of them. name another who doesn't?

[@hawkthemans]

@@davidlundgren6153 X skips it often

[@emanuelno4444]

I got so frustrated that I literaly went to my bookshelf, pulled out Ashbringer comix and scrolled through it as if my life was at stake. You can't imagine how happy I was when I actually found it. So yeah. He was paladin and not just warior with light infused weapon.

[@frederikpedersen4396]

I think there's a very good chance that they'll bring back the Scarlet Crusade, in some capacity, when the "Light is bad and evil and stuff" expansion comes out. With the way Yrel has been acting up on Draenor, that expac is definitely incoming, potentially after Dragonflight, and it seems like a very obvious candidate for an force of evil and uses the light. Also, it should be fairly easy to do canonically, as the Crusade *would* have seemed to be wiped out on *Azeroth*, while in reality having moved their remaining forces to Draenor to assist Yrel in her crusade.

[@flavor2984]

What Yrel been up to in Draenor?

[@frederikpedersen4396]

@@flavor2984 Just some genocide, ethnic cleansing, that sorta thing. Check out Bellular's video(s) on it, he covers it really well! Or play through the starting experience for Mag'har orc for some of the first-hand experience.

[@IconOfSin24148]

I would say you're crazy, but modern Blizzard is so trash that they would actually just go there and say "lol light bad, cuz reasons"

[@josetapia9606]

They are back in the Hallow's End new questline and apareantly the Forsaken Heirtage questline as well.....in both cases Demons were involved

[@loganmarcillac7200]

Asmon and McConnell arguing whether Alexander Mograine was a Warrior or Paladin and which was a better class *Death Knights over in the corner munching Popcorn*

[@thenerdbeast7375]

According to Wowpedia Paladin.

[@zoeith6]

Deathknights are just failed paladins.

[@ThatGuyOrby]

@@zoeith6 that's about as far from what Death Knights actually are as it possibly gets. Death Knights are former heroes, of any class, that fell in battle and were strong enough for the Lich King to personally recognize their usefulness and resurrect them in his image. Those he doesn't just become another faceless zombie in his horde of undead. Death Knights can be best described as the Lich King's personal shock troops. Their unholy powers being a mirror of the being who gave them a second life.

[@ThatGuyOrby]

@@KaleidosXXI No, I'm not forgetting that. Everyone knows Arthas was a paly. He's quite literally one of, if not the, most popular characters in the entire franchise let alone WoW itself. Arthas forging them in his corrupted image does not make them "failed paladins" like the other guy claimed. The proper term would be "anti-paladin". To fail at something you have to attempt it, and they're not trying to be Paladins. Their whole point is being the polar opposite.

[@ANDELE3025]

​@@chamathnadeeshan4008 He doesnt contribute to the forging at all, its Tirion, back then Priest Fairbanks and Inquisitor Isillien that cast spells. Alexandros is even the only member there that doesnt have mana.

[@stankobarabata2406]

To be Fair, Tirion Fordring saved the blackrock orc Eitrigg, as an honorbound favor when Eitrigg saved him first. That's how he actually got excommunicated in the first place. They fought at first but after the tower collapsed, Eitrigg felt that leaving him to suffocate under the rubble would simply leave a bad taste in his mouth, being an extremely oldschool noble savage archetype. So he pulled him out. Once Tirion came to and understood what the old Orc had done, he instantly felt he was indebted to him. Once Eitrigg got captured by the other humans and was about to be executed at Stratholme, Thrall, his warriors and Tirion swooped in and saved him, for which he got excommunicated from the Paladin order and was stripped of his Light. Eitrigg proclaimed Tirion as his brother by honor. The two have been friends until Tirion died. And since, Eitrigg has always been diplomatic when it comes to the Alliance and especially humans, seeing that they can be just as honorable as any Orc. It's no grand story of glorious combat, but it's a pretty wholesome tale of an Orc ( a BLACKROCK Orc at that) and a Human finding true bromance in a time where the two races were at each other's throats, right after Orgrim's Horde was shattered. And as a Horde, honor is above all else, and Tirion will always be among the most awesome humans in Warcraft lore. EDIT - 23:10 Actually, the Forsaken are literally the same citizens of Lordaeron. So, in all fairness, it's THEIR city, but Sylvanas should've been booted out way earlier I agree.

[@michaelsuder486]

I read "Of Blood and Honor" but what's that have to do with anything

[@NNoitraa]

27:20 I believe for the member of the scarlet crusade, since many of them were former veterans of the second war, a war which they fought together with dwarves and high elves against the orcs, it definetly makes perfect sense for them to having member or being friends with high elves and dwarves, and not having any predjudice against those races. Scarlet crusaders hate orcs, trolls, and whatever brutal war-oriented race that is part of the horde, because in the past said races invaded and ravaged their home. And they hate the undead and the scourge, cause their home was destroyed and stolen by these. The Hall of Champions featuring members of other races like an high elf mage, and high elf ranger, and a dwarf paladin, is not a plothole. If anything, it's the hate that the scarlet crusade is supposed to harbors towards any race outside of human (or even for any living thing outside of the members of the crusade) that is heavily exagerated and unjustified to a point of bad writing.

[@Zachxcorriea]

Alexandros Mograine is such a badass even in death, dude even took his own sons skull and had it forged into his new blade the Fatebringer.

[@FGazi-qf1hp]

Damn, I had no idea. Thanks! TIL

[@SerinielofCalderya]

i mean, in the lore, the first paladins are the best warriors of the alliance getting a much needed upgrade to help even the odds vs the Horde... so he kinda has a point :p. incidentally thats why Alexandros is wearing Dreadnaught. he's the best warrior, that was what qualified him to apply to become a paladin in wc2 xD

[@Aetherian1]

I believe it was priests being taught by warriors, but close enough.

[@SerinielofCalderya]

@@Aetherian1 it's mostly the other way around, but your point has a lot of truth in it. after saving Northshire, the most elite warriors of the alliance (Tyralion, Dathrohan, Fordring and Gavinrad) were offered to be trained in the way of the light by Archbishop Alonsus faol. Though they were joined with his own apprentice - Uther, who became the fifth founding member, and whom they taught the ways of the warrior. so while on principle it comes from wanting to empower the warriors who saved the day and allow them to not just protect but heal the innocents. in reality it's a symbiotic relationship between warriors and priests teaching each other.

[@heramaaroricon4738]

@@Aetherian1 Correct, I read recently the first warcraft books and it is indeed Priest being trained as Warriors. Also Calde, you are wrong on a few names. Turalyon was a priest apprentice back then in the first war.

[@gujo88]

If you do the cavern of time dungeon where you see the creation of the Ashbringer. You see Mograine cast light magic towards the gem. I understand we never saw him use actual light in fight but he's a Paladin. He was the best fighter tho wich explain why he was more of a warrior than a paladin.

[@Lev_cs]

You should watch the movie behind it. Its called tales of the past, has 3 parts.

[@cpt.mirones5109]

ah that cringy warcraft fan anime what a nostalgia

[@Beejayvei]

@@cpt.mirones5109 copyrighted music, DBZ style fights, self insert mary sue..... the good ol days

[@Lev_cs]

@@cpt.mirones5109 yeah it was kinda cringey ngl but it is what it is.

[@BurakkuHishou]

The scarlet bosses as children are also there and if you follow them as they are running around town, they'll pretend play out the iconic boss battles. Like devault "falling" in battle and Sally "resurrecting" her champion

[@ayayadaxxy7518]

i thought paladins were just priests who went to the gym

[@viktorpettersson9975]

-1

[@sertank1812]

to be fair to tirion krosus didn't actually kill him he just incapacitated him. He was then tortured for however long it took us to get to him in lore and passed away after giving the ashbringer away

[@Aetherian1]

Also he quite literally tried to solo a Legion raid boss in Wrath gear. Some of those bosses still can't be easily soloed in Shadowlands gear. Good on him for lasting as long as he did.

[@chrismaples9392]

Didn't Mograine actively participate in the process of turning the Shadow Orb thing into what they forged the Ash finger from? Directly using the light to do so?

[@kushkong1339]

I just love asmons face when hes going back and forth mcConnell lmfao. 11:46 His face literally says "wait for it...wait for it...."

[@goblinRa2a]

Okay so here is how I rationalize the first paladin thing. I think it makes sense that the earliest paladin(s) could had been a warrior, because it had been so early that there were no paladin practices set in stone yet, they just wanted to smite undead and protect the people. so the "paladin" would had just continued with what they already knew. why use time to learn something new when you already kick ass. I dont base this on any facts or research, just trying to rationalize the scenario.

[@talisredstar1543]

Its funny that Asmonbald talks about how all paladins die, but I want to ask him a question. Name a Warrior that has lived? Varian who is chad, died to an elite world mob at best.

[@Nevict]

I find how Light's Wrath kept exploding over and over extremely hilarious.

[@AkaRystik]

Alexandros Mograine is absolutely a paladin, there is a point where someone was talking about him and said he could reduce undead to ash without drawing his sword, and that people mistakenly started calling the weapon Ashbringer when the real Ashbringer as the man himself.

[@DeepFreeze118]

But Mograine has used holy power, if I recall that right. Back in "Escape from Durnholde", there is a small event of creation of the crystal into "light" version. As for Tier 3 armour. Well, it supposed to be the DKs' armour.

[@why3643]

That’s exactly what I said him and a priest where u using holy power to uncorret crystal

[@melonman6522]

Alexandros Mograine was one of the several people who used holy magic to change the crystal in the Ashbringer from shadow to holy, him casting a holy spell. He was in the warrior tier because they didn't have death knight tier back then and it was just the armor they had him wearing when he was one of the Four Horsemen. I'm pretty sure Asmongold was just trying to make a joke but since it wasn't even remotely funny I am clarifying just to make sure.

[@lct23]

Thats what i thought. It was the closest armor set to death knight at the time.

[@OWA_Freerunning]

I did find it funny.

[@ANDELE3025]

Incorrect, Mograine never cast any holy magic in either form (game or comic). He doesnt even have a mana bar in game during the event in caverns of time.

[@schizosamurai8840]

It was pretty funny, pals are clowns

[@vholst]

One of the best villains that you can get players invested in are ones they understand, but don't agree with. Blizzard balanced them out fairly well in vanilla, and then, like everything else Activision Blizzard does, they fucked it up.

[@BurakkuHishou]

There's one little thing that he forgot to talk about. In the burning crusade, there is reference to them cleansing the dark crystal in the town of Southshore in the dungeon "Escape from Durnholde keep." There you can also find the children version of scarlet crusade bosses playing out their iconic boss fights. Like little Devault acting as Sally's bodyguard and when he falls she acts to resurrect him as her champion.

[@tophersplat]

Love it when McConnell randomly chimes in and lays down the law

[@EvLch3dd4r]

i love it when you react to platinum's videos. platinum is hilarious and then you add to it and it's a synergistic effect

[@chriswilliams4575]

nothing better than McConnell getting fired up about how much paladins suck is the best part of this video

[@NeutralTea]

The Argent Dawn should have taken "Fenris Isle" keep for a decent foothold and base of operations. Definitely would hvae been better than just the church being out in the open.

[@ramezhachicho1777]

Mcconnell can only scream fight me! because he's playing a class who's modus operandi consists of healing themselves until they finally wear down their opponents patience and they let them win.

[@Jainka1]

Mograine was a paladin for sure. The only reason he wore T3 armor in vanilla was because it was the gear of choice to look like a Death Knight. You can still see it in retail's Naxxramas with the death knight mobs.

[@NickYoung22]

Remember when dungeons and raids were all part of this world that felt alive? Different factions all wanting their own things. It made the game feel like a world with nuance and depth. Now it’s just playable story cinematics on the “it’s a small world” style ride.

[@UltMathias]

Why does everyone forget that Npc's do not follow the same mechanics for choosing a class that we do? Some of the characters multiclass or spec into things that their class does not have. Examples like Tyrande being both Hunter and Druid or Thrall being both a Warrior and Shaman. Lore wise Alexandros was training to be a priest in the monastery and later became a Paladin. This is information is in game. It felt cringy, when I saw Asmongolds viewers reinforcing the idea that he was a Warrior. Just because someone learns martial training does not mean they are a warrior. Unless we just go along with the idea there are two classes, Mage and Warrior? Also ALL paladins were either priests or warriors who needed a "upgrade" to face the enemies of their people, like Gul'dan and his Shadow Council.

[@KiraNightV]

Chat actively voted against Asmon's opinion about Alexandros being a Warrior. The poll closed with the majority of chat voting for Alexandros being a Paladin. 14:08

[@charlessmith299]

Also this is all just a bit for entertainment, it ain't that deep

[@oblivexx]

31:43 - we where just in Scarlet Monastery and now in Wrath of The Lich King for some reason. After Monastery we should be doing Hearthglean, then Strathemholm.

[@lawrence4301]

scarlet crusade had the greatest waifu wows ever seen tho how can they really fall with that

[@vhaelen326]

such a shame we never got a proper scarlet crusade raid, wouldve loved to get epic scarlet crusade themed outfits for every class

[@Bearial99]

This video has got to be one of PlatinumWoW's best... and that's really saying something

[@spicypepperz]

Idk the headless horseman episode was soo good tho and the music video is what pushed it over the edge 😂

[@Cortanis001]

That "yes" at the Keeps ad just kills my soul. At some point you just have to accept fate my guy. Ether a product like that will help you and work or you accept it and maybe just shave it off.

[@plasmahandoku1073]

We all know why we like Lady Whitemane. It's the thickness.

[@natakug1]

Mcconnel is incredibly off base. Paladins are NOT graduated warriors. They are "Warriors of the Holy Light". No different than trying to a say a Hunter is a "Warrior of the Wilds". They aint graduated, its just a different field. If you wanted to get real hard core, things like Paladin, and Hunters would be SUB-classes of the Warrior, similar to what Arms spec or Fury spec is. Hell, they could have made paladins a spec for warrior and no one would have batted an eye lore wise. Lets go a little deeper, cause obviously Paladins have some overlay with warriors...right? Paladins originated, when an Archbishop looked at his clerics and said "these guys are worthless in PvP" So he went to find the BIGGEST virgins in the Lordaeron Knighthood, and taught them magic. It didn't even matter if they were powerful knights or skilled knights, all the Archbishop waanted was some tight knight virtue. Which....for the record, the light EMPOWERS them, who needs skill, when you can use INNER FIRE, a fortification buff, and bubble shields. Dubbing them Paladins, and Led by the one and only Uther. This is the actual history of Paladins, specifically Knights of the Silver Hand, during the Second War. and yea, we got plenty of badass paladins out there, but lore wise, Paladins are incredibly specialized, which is to say, unless they fighting very specific enemies, they are WEAKER than your average warrior of the same skill level. So what does this tell you about Paladins? Skill doesn't matter, ALL that matters is their devotion to their moral code and the light. Skill HAS NOTHING to do with bein a Paladin and never has... Unless you consider devotion is a skill. What about other races of Paladins?? Blood Elves: Their not even technically Paladins, they are the regular Blood Elf Magic Knights, but they stole power from a Naaru and use that instead of arcane...and eventually from their Sunwell. Dreanai: Literally just given the power from the Naaru. Every single one of them. Even children have the power of the light. Tauren: Their Paladin magic is more akin to Druids. That's how its literally discribed, they draw magic from the Sun akin to Druids drawing magic from nature. and guess what, I would not consider most druids warrior. Though I will concede that there are SOME badass druid warriors Edit: Side tangent: Broxigar, an Orc Warrior faught in the War of the Ancients, an absolute badass warrior who was even able to WOUND freaking Sargeras. A badass in his own right, but what of his weapon? Broxigar Use "The Axe of Cenarius" a 2 handed wooden axe CRAFTED by Malfurian with the aid of Cenarius. Crafted specifically for Broxigar with druidic magic, this axe was enchanted with a peice of Kalimdor's magic power. I'm not making any claims one way or the other, but by using Mccy's logic, and a little theory magic, would that make Broxigar a druid...or a warrior using a powerful druid weapon? Like... the Ashbringer is a powerful Holy weapon. THE WEAPON is what turned enemies to ash, and it alone could be wielded by anyone. The Weapon channals holy magic, and highly regarded among Paladins and Priests, but a warrior could just use the weapon. There is nothing anywhere saying you need to be a Paladin or a priest to use it. Holy that Holy magic turned the dark crystal into something of pure holy power.

[@Aiviymatoc]

he used dreadnaught armor because they wanted to make a deathknight and the only armor that looked like that they had designed was warrior t3

[@simeonspiridonov8454]

Even though Wiki states Mograine is a paladin (formerly), myself playing as a paladin since vanilla, and considering it my favoruite hero since WC3, I always thought Mograine was a warrior and I COMPLETELY AGREE with Asmon, even with my friends over the years nobody even questioned that. If you all remember the scene in CoT (Durnholde) Mograine simply shows the dark artifact to his friends, he DOES NOT USE any kind of holy magic on it, when his buddies began to "transmute?" by attacking it with smite and judgement. I agree with Mc that Paladins are graduated warriors, even more, they combine the warrior and the priest to become a hybrid class. During the crusades in the middle ages, paladins were considered the warrior elite, it was very famous for them to dual-wield. The class itself was so broken on vanilla release that Blizz had to nerf it, it became a garbage afterwards but we still love it... well I can understand, how can you balance an ascended mind, with melee/ranged holy and material powers/skills that can heal and raise the dead, uses plate and all types of armor, act as a healer, tank and a dps, c'mon? This is simply the endgame of warrior evolution and not only, Cleric/Priest and Warrior in one, Templars/Paladins/Crusaders there you have it. Arthas did nothing wrong. Peace :D P.S. Before ultimately rolling to a paladin, i had a holy priest at level 40 and a paladin used intervention on me in RFD...

[@hotjava]

Do you read the instructions to board games and say they're wrong because "my friends and I played it like this"? Same logic you're using here. Paladin EOS

[@michaelsuder486]

"Whoa, Fairbanks.....did you not see the puppet show? " 😂

[@rahn45]

The Scarlet Crusade, one of the biggest wastes in terms of both storytelling and gameplay in WoW. They really should have been a faction that you could have joined and got reputation with, even if it was something silly as to be one that only human warriors/paladins/priests could join. The rewards could have been next to nothing or nothing at all, but the value in regards to the RP element or how players viewed their own characters would have made up for it. Really that's what reputations should have been, or rather remained: Something that's more of an RP element instead of simply just another bar you grinded up that you put zero thought into. It was really dumb how their story arc was literally: A demon was behind it. Multiple times, and they never really got any wiser to that.

[@irvenman]

I remember back in the Cataclysm days when I RPed my Night Elf Warrior as an immigrant to Stormwind. I enjoyed doing quests in the Eastern Kingdoms wearing the Stormwind tabard because "I had to be useful to my new home" and being really happy when I got a horse.

[@andrewwigham3026]

Asmon is kind of right though, Mograine was a Warrior who got a Holy Sword (became a Paladin) but he was always a Warrior at heart, hence why when he died he went to Maldraxxus and not Bastion.

[@JbongoVA]

Ah the Ashbringer...One of the most powerful paladin artifacts....Made by a dwarven warrior (Mountain king, but, technicalities!)

[@JbongoVA]

@@chamathnadeeshan4008 I never said it was "Only" made by a warrior lol. I'm just saying the base sword was made by a warrior. I know full well the lore of this sword, my guy. Bless.

[@DremoraMaster]

@@JbongoVA I mean to be fair being a warrior in the lore is the umbrella term for any weapon wielder who isn't able to access any further boosts to their power.

[@JbongoVA]

@@DremoraMaster True. As I've stated, this isn't a warrior fan-post. I just found it humorous that a holy paladin relic has it's base design made from a dwarven mountain king. That is all lol.

[@1ch1r1n]

What i think sucks is that in cata, Tirion returns to Hearthglen and you can talk to him about him wanting to reclaim lordaeron.

[@sagcortes9849]

41:27 is that a ghost flying around in your room?

[@thatinfinite7413]

Woah 👻👀

[@Luxorcist]

I dont know why Asmon always says "I dont know if Bolvar became a paladin" he was literally a Paladin, Muradin calls him a Paladin in ICC

[@micahskaret]

If Asmon watched his own videos or had the memory he claims to have, he know that in TBC clasic when they watched the Ashbringer, he was a paladin and used holy magic.

[@codexmusicofficial]

These videos are so good. Classic worldbuilding was something else compared to today

[@calebhelton725]

fun fact before they retconned the lore alexandros mograine was the scarlet highlord and one of the founding members of the scarlet crusade

[@T3RS1]

I as a Blood Knight listenning to this argument between those two ... dude .. what a tragedy. What is better ... Silverhand or Warriors ... well non. Blood Knights forever dude! Do you think aliance paladins are cool? Think again! Do you think we have to believe in holy and be righteous to wield holy magic? Do you think we have to beg the light for it's blessings? NO and NO AGAIN! We take what we want. We use what we want. WE ARE THE BLOOD KNIGHTS!

[@VotEtoPizdets]

The use of the Scarlet Crusade within the lore is purely brilliant. Does anybody even comprehend the level of complexity here? The layer upon layer of this intricately woven storyline? Look at what the Scarlet Crusade has facilitated within Azeroth. Not just the damage they have done but the consequences of the destruction they caused. They motivated countless individuals to raise up and stand for something. They unknowingly and unintentionally facilitated the opposite of what they tried to destroy. The depths of this story is profoundly detailed. Just look at all who were impacted by the SC in a negative way. What did this motivate them to set out to do. It altered the course of peoples lives and drove them to achieve the impossible, which each had equally long reaching butterfly effects on others. the ripples of this group flow forever throughout the lore.

[@jocelyneragan2791]

Asmon, talking about the canonic lore. McConnell interrupting: WANNA DUAL BRO?!?!

[@Krissmas1]

It was named "Knights" of the Silver Hand. Not Paladins of the Silver Hand

[@year111]

The Silver Hand were knight’s upgraded into paladins.

[@bodazaphfa]

That NPC in the beginning sounds like he’d hug a root for a bowl of soup.

[@Yevonite27]

I saw a comment saying "why would a warrior use a pally weapon?" And I'm like uhhh he's fighting undead so a pally weapon makes sense. He could do more damage than a normal weapon

[@Yevonite27]

@@chamathnadeeshan4008 is he? His wiki doesn't classify him as a priest at all though and it does classify him as death knight/ paladin(former), warrior, knight. Make of that what you will

[@PPolendina]

@@Yevonite27 he literally used holy power to purify the ashbringer crystal

[@alfredroman5801]

Asmondgold should have a point. Paladins weren't introduced until Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness. Where the paladin is just an upgraded knight with mana.

[@thehelmethead4883]

The reason why Alexandros is wearing the tier 3 warrior set is because after he was killed he was raised as a death knight in naxxramas and the devs needed the closest thing to "I'm a dead, vengeful spirit" when Alex executed Renault. The devs back then were teasing wotlk, also becoming a DK is the end fate of any warrior or paladin of any worth, and that's why DK's are better than either.

[@jimdoe3288]

6:05 Mcconnel couldn't take it anymore 😂

[@sinafey7030]

Tbh, the crusaders running deeper and deeper into scourge territory blowing themselfs, and everyone else with the staff, is something a guild in game would surely do if they had the chance, just for lulz, to see how far they would be able to go.

[@PandaEvent]

Alexandros Morgraine was actually a warrior, by lore. And he didn't founded SC, it was estabilished after his death, but whatever ;D

[@FreelancerZENA]

McConnell went from 0 to 100 so fast and sped off into the sunset XD

[@espinete767]

Mograine was a Paladin, not only he was one of the original founders of the Knights of the Silver Hand, a paladin order, he also literally casted a holy spell to try and destroy the Dark Crystal that was to become the Ashbringer, that instead absorbed that spell. They and other members of the silver hand kept casting holy light onto the crystal until it transformed into a Pure Holy Light Beacon, and they forged the sword with it. And if Im not wrong the Ashbringer's story said that only a champion of the light could wield it at its finest, thats why it got purified when Tirion wielded it in WotLK and only Paladin characters have wielded it ever since.

[@josephwilliams1915]

I think it was Lothar who was also a part of the knights of the silverhand. In WC1 orcs and humans, lothar was just a knight. Did not have the paladin spell. He was a fucking tank of a unit compared to the other paladin hero units

[@jaybeebunuan5038]

Imagine having a update version of scarlet crusade it will be cool

[@nitalosis]

If you go to Old hills bread you can see him infusing the crystal with holy energy so yeah

[@ObservingLibertarian]

14:12 McConnel was still wrong. 1) the reason he could use that ashen ability was because was using the *ashbringer* weapon - something he could not do without the ashbringer. Which means, it's not an ability he could do, as a paladin, it's an ability which anyone using the ashbringer could do. 2) The Knights of the Silver Hand included warriors, mages and priests - not just paladins. 3) Paladins are not upgraded warriors, or warriors who graduated to paladins: Paladins, originally created by Alonsus Faol, were priests who donned heavy armor, like Uther Lightbringer, *the* first Paladin and founder of the Knights of the Silver hand.

[@SSgtJohnEP]

if a paladin is an updated warrior, doesn't that mean people that use them need that extra help. So why would it take more skill to use a stronger version of a character? Is having better options more difficult because you can't figure out what to do and when? Or do I have to play WOW to understand?

[@eddyunger1419]

I wish that they would put PlatinumWoW in WoW as a Lore Teacher from the Explorer League and just have him give lectures.

[@holdennewcom7260]

"This is just like finding nemo but.. a lot more zombies"

[@unknownsample4801]

when you go to Old Hillsbrad, and view when they cleanse whatever material Ashbringer was forged from, Mograine himself doesn't help cleanse it, he's the only one out of those surrounding him that doesn't put any of The Light into the weapon.

[@emperortenebrisemeraldwing8578]

On Paladins taking L's. I don't think Lady Liadrin has every taken a big loss, they were able to drive the Death Knights out of the Paladin order hall back in Legion

[@brankodimitrijevic382]

11:52 he was a warrior and then he become a Paladin!

[@meh78336]

I agree with the scarlet crusade when it comes to gnomes, who can honestly say they didn't get any pleasure doing the gnome death ball quest.

[@Dakodi_]

What’s going on with the background shadows at 41:25? MonkaW

[@shii5795]

As I recall... There's a Scarlet Crusade loyalist that's joined the Dark Moon Fair. You can buy a Scarlet Crusade cosmetic set from him, to fund the rebuilding of the Scarlet Crusade. He's over by the stables/petting zoo.

[@michaelthomas1916]

The conversations with McConnell reminded me of two guys I used to work with, one a Yankees fan, the other Red Sox.

[@user-qh9vh9em6r]

He didn’t even bubble in SM cath.

[@ClericOfPholtus]

It do be lore accurate to Warcraft 2 that Paladins require already being Expert Warriors and capable of being extra potent Priests though

[@meklem4104]

You need to graduate from warrior to become paladin. And you do it by "forgetting" all your strikes so you can autoattack as a real paladin.

[@InfiniteRenegade]

@9:32 I think he forgot about the TBC dungeon Hillsbrad foothills because if you go to the inn it has him in there I'm assuming using judgement but with the casting of smite to the very object that made the ash bringer

[@angelbird538]

Didn't Alexandros Mograne heal the Void Heart pre Ashbringer forging, right along side Tirion Fordring?

[@Hollowcrash]

Alexandros used the TIER 3 warrior set because he was on his Death Knight form, as in Naxxramas, Death Knights use that tier.

[@Painkiller9015]

literally every wiki says mograine was a paladin and i say that as a warrior/deathknight main

[@tyrrand]

7:10 OK Mr bubble heal

[@comatose3788]

Used to sell runs to SM with my shadow priest. Both enjoyable and helped grow the Horde. While also paying for my mount.

[@Gurtington]

I fucking LOVE that whenever "Paladin" is mentioned Mccool has to chime in. I wish i had a friend play wow or ffxiv with me for15 years plus like Asmon and Mccool.

[@bencekelemen4281]

7:24 My problem with Mcconnel's words here is that he says that a Paladin is a better fighter than a warrior. I do thinks so that If you need to pledge yourself to a god for strength....then you are not better than a guy who trains his whole life in the art of combat with swords or whatever the warrior trains with

[@BlackPulseNetwork]

"Trust me buddy sacrificing something for your friends is not something you will ever understand" got me dead lol

[@Jimalcoatl]

The Scarlet Brotherhood was a direct rip, name and everything, from Greyhawk, one of the two original D&D settings. It even had a 1e AD&D sourcebook all about it.

[@TonyBagadonuts]

The voice over at the beginning sounded like the disembodied voice of Lowtax circa 2004

[@trevor_r]

21:21 someone rez Gus, get Gus back up, rez Gus