Asmongold Reacts to WoW's STUPIDEST Dragon

[@merleambroise666]

Garrosh was basically a player-charachter, casually keeling everything that stood on his way without reading a single dialogue

[@ConkerVonZap]

Lmao true, he even call Sylvanas a bit*h in cataclysm 🤣

[@immortals44]

my eyes 😭

[@fordgtguy]

One of us.

[@Patrickdaawsome]

I understand what you're saying, and that English is your second language. Politely I'd like to correct some of your spelling mistakes: player-character* killing*

[@adyenlichtwachter6684]

Oh he's a true warrior player.

[@capital_tm]

The problem is that Wrathion misunderstood the mind of Garrosh. Garrosh is the kind of guy who you can hand just about any weapon to and he'll know how to appropriately use it. If, however, you give him a multi-step plan with a nebulous end goal - he is more likely to just punch you in the face

[@mielliot13]

Garrosh, For better or worse, is just like his father, but without his BFF Thrall to hold him back

[@mcmorky9704]

In a hilarious turn of events it was the uncorrupted black dragon that was responsible for sargaras successfully invading and, wounding azeroth, dumbest dragon barely covers it.

[@vtewlaghe]

More so considering he was trying to prevent that very thing in the first place. Oops.

[@DanieJlRamos]

Which eventually leads to N'Zoth, the origin of his flight's corruption, being released.

[@thien0300]

He's better than his Father, aunt and uncle at their jobs lmao

[@dangerwarg9682]

Yeah! The corrupted black dragons were bad but their actions didn't lead to a giant freaking sword being stabbed into the planet making it bleed. lol

[@katm8128]

At least it gave us legion I guess, I love that expansion hahah

[@bethtyson4013]

I still have the trinket from this quest line in my bank. Rhea’s last egg. It makes little dragons fly around you. And they fight with you. I personally, think this should be made a toy.

[@ChrisJohnson-vb9hr]

A massive issue I had with Wrathion is that they built him up to be anti-legion, and he didn't do shit in legion.

[@xJadeWolfxx]

Wrathion is unironically one of the most interesting characters WoW did and they criminally under utilize what they've done. Though maybe that's for the best since the writing team couldn't turn literal gold into something beautiful.

[@inciacci549]

The new writing team is instead very capable of turning gold into dogshit

[@VampiresAreRealGuys]

yeah id say that would have been for the best...

[@LuferCCGnRPG]

“Imagine a world where we get 10 expansions of wod” Asmon “we already got 3” 7 more to go 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@charlayned]

Remember, in High Mountain, when we meet Ebyssian, if you are on your way out of the cave, there's a guy lurking in the shadows. If you went up and talked to him, he was a member of Wrathion's Black Talon's. He tells you nothing's going on. Yeah, he's got his spies when we meet Ebyssian. That's why there's a bit of animosity with us (Alliance) when all that stuff starts, we've found another black dragon and one MUCH older than he is.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

To be fair to him though, the 'character sees a partial future and accidently triggers it while trying to prevent it' trope is a classic.

[@MrKenedian]

and medivh predicted the burning legion and guess whose body was possed to be on the second side of the portal :D:D

[@zman1347]

I think the thing I like the most about wrathion is that his for lack of a better term "ruthlessness" comes from a pretty genuinely good place. He genuinely wants to keep Azeroth safe. He just sometimes goes about it the wrong way, though never crosses into complete maniac territory.

[@CuthiePatootie]

It's kind of explained that of the infinite versions of Garrosh out there, ours was basically the only one who would choke out the time traveling bronze dragon and just do his own thing. Worked out for us, though. We sharpened our steel against the Iron Horde and used that strength to finally beat the shit out of the Legion.

[@bubbykins4864]

.....but that's only because we got the shitty "genocidal maniac" Garrosh that did much wrong and/or incorrect.

[@heramaaroricon4738]

9:56 The thing is, I can understand those people not willing to do PvP for a legendary item. In Destiny 1 and 2 we had similar problems with strong exotics (legendaries) which were good in both PvE and PvP to require playing PvP content. And the people that are absolutely horrible at PvP were simply either unable to get them in a reasonable amount of time or didn't even try to get them because of the PvP parts. For those wanting to know, those 2 exotics were Hand Cannons. In Destiny 1 it was Thorn (earn Points by killing Guardians in PvP with Void Damage - around 5h of grinding when being a good player) , in Destiny 2 it was Last Word (kill 20 guardians with Hand Cannons).

[@szymusiek22]

So much this. I did that bg at that time (few bears helped but still annoying experience). Let not forget D2 catalyst guardian kills... (no amount of alcohol can help with duality catalyst...)

[@missivory_missraine]

Last word isn't too terrible if you have another good hand cannon.

[@ghr1990]

So, by trying to protect azeroth from an outside threat, he deliberately caused one invasion and unintentionally caused another. Bold moves!

[@diablo.the.cheater]

Hey he was basically a child, give him some slack

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Flawed interesting characters used to be more common in WoW, but usually the writers lose their damn minds and flanderize the character in which their flaws are forgotten about or they go insane so the compelling part of their character is forgotten about. Wrathion is probably gonna become one of these two in the future, either an edgy Anduin or Deathwing 2.0, just give the writers enough time.

[@stephendunn159]

You right

[@VampiresAreRealGuys]

edgy anduin is pretty accurate

[@Darien4life]

It's literally Anduin's fault that Varian ultimately decided to NOT end the horde right then and there. Varian was heavily influenced by his son's view point by the time SoO occurred.

[@motyovszkimiklos7538]

weird way of using "literally" when it was a grown man's conscious choice

[@NewGuy2534]

“When did Anduin beat anyone?” Onyxia when he was 5, managed to secure peace with Baine, kept his father from murdering the darkiron Queen by throwing himself in front of her (let's see Asmon grow those cahones), reunified the Dwarf clans, fought and defeated Sylvannis, and managed to break free from the jailer.

[@foebok]

Wraithion knowing that the Legion will invade, sets him on a path of accidentally ensuring that event will come to pass, or was it a fated event that would have happened no matter what Wraithion did? If the latter, while futile, his actions were not stupid.

[@gigahertz7352]

@Shawn Nickolus ok ok edgy andy

[@matheuswagner5198]

I mean, we did beat them and Sargeras aswell, the Legion is gone for good. I have a theory that since this invasion came after a such a short time since the previous one in Warcraft III, the Legion didn't had time to fully prepare for it, unlike in WC3 were they waited and prepared for 10.000 years. It was too soon for another invasion and not only it failed but they also got invaded on their own world. Wration indirectly causing it to be "rushed" may have worked in our favor.

[@zDToddy]

Had Varian destroyed the Horde there would be noone to raid with today

[@gekkokkid]

"wait a minute didn't the jailer said that already?" yes, let it sink in and FINALY understand why we lore fans are so PISSED at Blizzard right now.....

[@Tyrantlizard127]

Garrosh did plenty wrong. Honestly, he did more damage to both the Alliance and the Horde than even the Burning Legion.

[@Tyrantlizard127]

@Hugh Jaynus Ah. I see. That makes so much more sense.

[@AzureOW]

Wrathion caused the only good expansion in the last 10 years... I don't think there's anything wrong with that

[@Highstar25]

Yeah but he also caused WoD, and the legion would have gotten here eventually regardless

[@soryu86]

basically he jump started BFA and Shadowlands too. The Legion expac happened and killed Varian a badass king , if Voll'jin didn't die, no Sylvanas as warchief, Saurfang lives and no tree burning= no BFA and no Shadowlands.

[@maxmcintyre5068]

I first met wrathion in mist of pandaria mainly because I wasn’t aware of him in cata

[@SgtTeddybear66]

Wrathion is such a great character. I don't think he's dumb, it's easy to look back at mistakes made in the past and criticize them. But in actuality, he's a genius, if not a bit misguided. Which makes for a great character. Just wait until he has more experience, He's definitely going to learn from his mistakes and be a mastermind.

[@torenmulrine9714]

This is why I like him

[@gstellar96]

Yeah I don't think his plan was stupid I just think he was misguided since his big plan in pandaria failed spectacularly not because of anything he did. He spent that entire time playing both sides so that they could end the war and focus on the invasion of the legion but at the very last second Varian doesn't end the fight and proclaims peace when most likely someone or multiple war chiefs just take their place and the war continues for a long time and if Varian couldn't finish it then no way was anduin going to. Garrosh as horrible as he is would get the job done of finishing the war and be perfect to lead the upcoming war against the legion as long as he had a big enough army, and he just so happens to be teamed with a bronze dragon so going through time and allowing Garrosh to gather enough orcs to lead a threat against the legion isn't a bad idea either. And after the war with the legion where a large amount of the orcs that he gathered would no doubt be slaughtered and Garrosh would have served his purpose Wrathion could easily double cross him and either kill or imprison him and finish off what remained of the iron legion and either choose the rest of the horde or alliance whoever he wished

[@mielliot13]

Yeah, his plans didn't work, but no plan survives contact with the enemy/players in WoW

[@Xgamerwoo]

Wrathion was so cool during MOP. His origin was cool too. Shame they sidelined him after even tho he’s responsible for WOD which led into Legion.

[@bandit7459]

"they already did this before?"....illidan, LK, wrathion, Sargera's, Slyvanas, Jailer...I probably missed some. Another reason the Jailer pissed people off. Its always been to "fight the greater evil". Get some new material blizz.

[@Ennar]

Wrathion is a badass and I'm looking forward to see the story in Dragonflight.

[@Cincere212]

Okay so lore time. Ra-den had aman’thuls essence in his heart. Lei shen rips it out and consumes it, gaining his thundering power and also the essence. Wrathion eats the heart in mop and just trips balls? I mean Aman’thul speaks through him, but other than that they just scraped it.

[@fatherdex8174]

The best part is that it's not even that bad of a plan, but it just happens to go down in the worst possible way.

[@Highstar25]

Using a puppet you can't manipulate and has single digit IQ is never a good plan.

[@omologo95]

It would be a fine plan if the single most important piece of said plan is in any way predictable and controllable. Garrosh was literally everything but that.

[@alansundqvist9462]

18:00 in Anduin's defense did not Onyexia pretend to be Lady Katrana Prestor which lead to his fathers kidnapping

[@mahmoud6843]

Also side note, Muehzala wanted Sylvannas as Warchief so he whispered in Voljin's ears that she would be the next leader. Which is what allowed the Jailer to influence her into burning Teldrassil. Which wouldn't have happened, if Guldan didnt open the portal for the Legion's return. Which also wouldnt have happened, if Garrosh didnt go back in time. Garrosh's plan in Draenor was to unite the Orcs and take over Azeroth without the Demon Blood aiding them. But it didnt work because Garrosh had already united both factions with one goal in mind his death. If Wrathion was as wise as he claimed to be at the time, he would have realized the flaws of his plan and stopped Kairoz. Would the Legion have returned? Maybe. But at least then the forces of Azeroth wouldnt have been whittled down due to constant war.

[@Thejigholeman]

anduin: this bell brings harmony to pandaria. it must be kept safe Garosh: Ligma balls * vine boom *

[@KingOfTheBeyond23]

The bg part of the quest was a bit annoying cause for one it was a special bg from randoms, and you had to win like 5 times or something, and my server's faction always lost, lmao.

[@ambika69]

11:50 Garrosh did EVERYTHING wrong. Jaina was the one link between the alliance and Horde that wasn't hostile; and That Was Why He Did It.

[@zephalverilion5393]

Wrathion is not stupid it's just in his attempt to avoid fate he unwittingly caused it. That is a timeless trope in stories and it is very engaging. I would say that he was trying to do the right thing in his own way.

[@Arouxayis]

It wasn't they refused, it was PVP players would premake BG groups for that specific BG to farm players for honor. Knowing they had no shot of winning and they could get free wins. I know this because I ran into a lot of the same names same server groups.. that's just too "coincidental."

[@arcadius3257]

19:09 Oh Shit!, they're rebuilding Eren Yeager!

[@SeanATron-vr8eb]

Why do golfers wear two pairs of pants? Just in case they get a hole in one

[@M4G4M4N]

Mrs. ❤

[@jshadowhunter]

"This all makes sense." 5min later... "Oh."

[@josekingpin]

Wait if nyxondra is forced to lay eggs, how are they getting fertilized? I really hope it's not what I think but it's blizzard so idk

[@kamayell9078]

Isnt Nyxondra a female and Rheastrasza too? They probably didnt tell us about the second (male) black dragon Rhea captured xD would be funny lol

[@Offbreed309]

"One often meets their destiny on the road they take to avoid it."

[@JustWitness]

@16:40 That's not true, Anduin beat his own army during Battle for Azeroth then had to resurrect them all.

[@Rick4u]

2:51 What kinf of UI is that?

[@laurahardy9420]

Varian didn't make a mistake in sparing the Horde leaders. If the writers had put in more effort and not gone down the same path with Sylvanas that they did with Garrosh, undermining the Horde's development over WoD and Legion, we wouldn't have had to have Teldrassil or any of the crap that came after

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

Anduin serves as a counter to these dudebros that think it's all about fighting. "I now believe as you do. That peace is a noblest aspiration." Anduin fights, but he does it to stop the fighting. He's a great character. Even if you prefer the "VARIAN SMASH" type character instead.

[@apacalypsagon3758]

Hardly. I'd say he's really out of place and conflicts the themes when it comes to warcraft in general.

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

@@apacalypsagon3758 Because the theme is "orc smash human, human smash orc." Is that it?

[@deathkilleraw.o.w3244]

He destroyed my inn and left no tip He is not nice 😂😂😂 best quote ever 😂

[@zraebiel1673]

I’ve always felt like wrathion will somehow be a super villain later. We’ll see. He’s definitely not stupid even though he’s made some mistakes.

[@pwners4u]

He is the only non corrupted black dragon yet but is the reason the legion return and the sword ruptures the world and the release of the old god who corrupted all the dragons he killed to be the only black dragon as he wasn’t corrupted. Seems pretty stupid that he is the reason the events he’s trying to prevent occur

[@zraebiel1673]

Or maybe he’s 4D chessing everyone and trying to make it all happen o.o

[@zraebiel1673]

Robert Combs 1 second ago It’s bc they don’t want their cash cow to end. They make some damn stupid decisions based on bad story telling or vice versa which has kinda caused it to be a never ending dumpster fire. I doubt we ever get far enough in the lore to see the ‘ultimate’ baddie

[@Trakesh]

You either die in a cutscene or live long enough to become a boss in an endgame raid.* *unless you are Sylvanas

[@kamayell9078]

This recaptures perfectly how the time ingame felt back then. I miss when story telling was amusing and chill :) I do question who wrote those storys? Im not sure who was the lead narrative designer at that time

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

If i'm not mistaken, it always was Chris Metzen. He was lead narrative or equivalent position from start to finish and the last story he wrote was Legion before leaving in 2016. Danuser became the lead narrative in 2016 (at the beginning of Legion) but his first own expansion was BFA.

[@timmitton4983]

@@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman while Metzen left during the transitional time between WoD and Legion, there was still stuff from BfA planned. The cinematic trailer of the Alliance attacking Lordaeron was the last cinematic Metzen helped write on.

[@Bearzerk330]

18:45 has to be the most Metal plot I've ever heard 🤘🤘🤘

[@samuru101]

Wrathion just loves his legendary cloaks.

[@meyatetana2973]

Honestly a load of players refusing a legendary cloak all because of battlegrounds really speaks how bad pvp or just battlegrounds really was still kinda is LOL

[@Spamkromite]

Lore fight! I dare you! 🏹 (but I'm too weak to even write a wall of text explaining how amazing Wration is, being the only dragon that punched an Old God in the face and all while the others fidgeted with their talons when Azeroth was literally having a creeping carnivore herpes all over her face... ugh... 🚑) Augh... no wonder... it was a ROGUE ONLY quest-line. Rogue is the only thing I never leveled up because I ran out of space in my character list and I found them to be the least interesting class to play. Bleugh... 18:52 In his defense, Lei'shen ate the heart of Ra'den to obtain his powers, so basically only ate the power of Azeroth's titanic watcher of Thunder and Wrathion took it for himself, and none of this ever pans out, but Wrathion should've been given a power up related to Thunder if so. Lei'shen only wanted to continue the work of the Titans that the apathetic Ra'den gave up, but of course been educated in warmongering society of the Mogu would make him to tyrannize everybody now that he had the titanic power of Thunder to command. It really is odd that Ra'den could have survived enough until BfA before N'zoth invaded everything, with people wondering who was him because he was a bonus boss on Heroic Throne of Thunder that only pro guilds could defeat. 24:11 The Varian from Wrath of the Lich King (during Trials of the Crusade at least) had more BALLS that even Tirion had problems to control to avoid the Alliance burninate the Horde over there 🤣 27:50 "forced pregnancy"? lol this demonstrates that Wrathion is not stupid. This only demonstrates that Christie Golden is an idiot that was given power to rewrite everything that has already transpired 🤣The characters are not in blame! 👀 34:08 Yes, creating not only duplicates of "warlords" but also many duplicates of the "warlords" of the enemy was also another risk. Bear in mind that the Legion is a constant force unbound by the timelines because the Twisting Nether works like that, and only can exist one single Kil'jaeden to conquer all of those alternate worlds, but you can produce another Kil'jaeden by turning the former Eredar magus into another demonic warlock. I still fail to see what did Wrathion wrong. It's all Christie Golden's fault, because he uses this plot-hole (or "Wrathion was too stupid to see it") to create another Gul'dan, but this Gul'dan from this timeline should have yielded too ANOTHER ARCHIMONDE AND KIL'JAEDEN the same way there was a second Velen too (even if for a moment). The plot-holes amount to over 9000 on this one, and not because Wrathion is dumb, but because the author is chronically plot-blind, tried to pull a Marvel AU move and was found wanting 🙄 34:40 Also, let's not forget that Wrathion presence in WoD is reduced to just perching on top of a billboard before leaving during one of the "NEW SHAVEN KHADGAR" quest-line. This also speaks volumes of why Wrathion didn't do anything when everything started to go south with Gul'dan doing his shenanigans and giving the Legion a more powerful foothold to invade Azeroth. Is not that he didn't want to prevent it, it's because HE WAS LITERALLY WRITTEN OFF THE PLOT because he was too smart to control, and Christie Golden knew it when he received harsh critique on his War Crimes book 🤔 To write smart shrewd characters you must be one, and Christie is all but shrewd; he's too bland to even reach those levels of complex mental gymnastics. 35:03 Told ya 🐸 35:20 WAIT A SECOND. I never played the alpha so I didn't know this. Ebyssian is literally an ass pull on the last moment! I love this character but I found odd that his dragon had the same UNIQUE CHARACTER TRAIT (being purified Black Dragon -- that was said already that was hard to achieve without the help of a Titan artifact) and that he was never known to anybody, not even the black dragons, and that Wrathion was never present to correct the presence of the Legion, DESPITE IT BEING THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HIS ENTIRE EXISTENCE AND MOTIVES AS CHARACTER. But now that I know Wrathion was REPLACED in presence by Ebyssian, NOW EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE (and my theory that Christie is too dumb to control Wrathion stands). Now I see the whole set of the falling pieces, and I'm even more disappointed and more encouraged to defend Wrathion from this dumb writter of third rate novels. 37:28 And here it stands, being victim of bad writers not doing their proper research on their OWN SOURCE MATERIAL. Wrathion should have the titanic power of THUNDER and he's not seen using it at all, as if all what transpired on Pandaria, eating Lei'shen's heart and all the stuff with Ra'den (BEING KILLED ON PURPOSE TO DON'T BRING BACK THE FACT THAT HIS POWERS SHOULD BE COURSING THROUGH WRATHION'S BODY) is omitted by the new writers. It's horrible, but that doesn't make Wrathion a stupid character. He was shrewd to a fault, got a ton of talkie-talkie wisdom to rein his "wrath" against everything that was threatening Azeroth, and now we need to chug Sabellian just BECAUSE. For all what I care even the Netherdrake should be present in Dragonflight as they are also CHILDREN OF THE BLACK DRAGONFLIGHT. But whatever, what can one do with crummy writers who never played WoW since BC. I'm very sure they picked up a Fandom page about how many black dragons existed out there in the franchise, saw Sabellian and called it a day, without nigh a single context to suppor that he's still ALIVE and not DEAD as per all the quests we do in Blade's Edge Mountains. Interesting video and well made (sans the typos), but I see a tendency to avoid the real culprits in Wrathion's blunders. Anyways, moving on. I don't even know how I managed to stay awake with half my blood gone last night.

[@Livinglarge2theend]

Had Varian just let Thrall kill Garrosh all of WoD could have been avoided

[@biropgrules]

you know, while the Alliance had the upper hand, there is no guarantee the Horde would have lost the subsequent battle of Orgrimmar. at the very least, it's fully possible vol'jin and sylvanas along with the rest of the leaders would have killed Varian and jaina right then and there, regardless of wheter or not the alliance would have beaten the horde rebellion or not up above. Like im not arguing which is the better choice or not, but to treat this like a situation where the Horde would absolutely have crumbled if Varian had only chosen to strike is not a certainty. It's a possibility, and you could argue a big possibility, but again, what if they lose. what if the big battle happens, and the horde Rebellion's forces crush the alliance forces(with huge casualites certainly, but still) and kills Varian and Jaina, along with who knows how many alliance leaders. Yes, the alliance would probably be in a good position to force a peace, even if they lose this hypotetical battle(I really wish we actually knew the full numbers of both forces here, along with the full population of orgrimmar, which would most certainly join in the fight, turning this hypotetical scenario into even more of a bloodbath for both sides), simply due to how devastated the horde is at this point. but it's not necessarily the best option. It IS an option, but it's not the only one. Mind you, i like that the characters in story has an opinion on this, but i really dislike everyone treating this as "Varian had certain victory within his grasp", when its more "Varian had a shot where he MIGHT have had complete victory in his grasp, and he ultimatly chose not to act on that possibility". There is a big difference here. He might have won a total victory, or he might have lost, and had his entire army defeated, which even if he did horrible damage to the Horde capital and its army and population might mean that the alliance would have been forced to make peace anyway, just due to having lost most of its military capacity. Again, this would be so much easier to say if we just had the army numbers of the forces involved, and how many of the total armed forces of both sides were canonically involved in the battle.

[@Frosty4427]

I still can't get over Cata being more than a decade ago.

[@soryu86]

If Wrathion didn't f-up there would be no Legion (sad but it's one of the better xpacs), BFA and Shadowlands. Imagine having Varian, Vol'jin, Saurfang and a pre-Shadowlands Sylvanas with us today.

[@p.a.r.c1694]

I had already seen the platinum wow video and when asmongold was praising wrathtion and garrosh i just said to myself " just wait for the punchline " and it was as hilarious as i expected.

[@Idividezero]

Okay, Asmon is either misremembering, or didn't know what the legendary cloak was like for. People didn't want to quit because they had to do a battleground. People didn't quit because they had to do 2 battlegrounds. It's because you had to WIN 2 battlegrounds. Which, for my server, meant at least 10 games per 1 win (AFKs, trolls, etc vs people who desperately wanted to win). It took me 49 games to get 2 wins, and both of those wins we had everyone actually try to win. Most of my games had 3-5 people AFK in base. Edit: Garrosh was not found guilty or innocent. He escaped before his judgment (to Nagrand IIRC).....and Baine actually did a pretty good job as his attorney.

[@ghostedhost1617]

Yeah I had the same issue on my server. It took me somewhere like 10-20 attempts to get the wins myself.

[@laurahardy9420]

As a primarily PvE player, I can understand people not really wanting to be forced to do a PvP battleground to complete the quest. But threatening to quit the game period rather than do the quest is just silly. If all you have to do is complete a few battlegrounds to get a legendary item, might as well just bite the arrow this time. Besides, you always have the option of not doing the quest

[@alel1234]

This is better animated than the in-game cutscenes

[@redtiga3001]

19:50 - What sword?

[@vilemk69z98]

What everyone didn't realize was that Rathione killing the old god that corrupted his race was copy/paste how Grom Hellscream freed the orcs from Mal'gorath....forgot the name in Warcraft 3.

[@Samagachi]

“Deathwing’s minions should be afraid of me” You do realize your dad can destroy planets, right?

[@kzkaa.]

he's not talking about deathwing himself

[@rojersmith4328]

9:39 It was reference to the Witcher (the book one).

[@kaykustner7799]

36:55 Wrathion is simply prince of persia sand of time, we have the well ... sand of time, the prince and a dagger

[@WolfRaynor]

The whelpling was my first pet drop back then and it's still my favorite today. lol :D

[@adyenlichtwachter6684]

You DO know that Wrathion is NOT Deathwing's son? There is no in-game proof that Nyxondra mated with Neltharion (as he usually beats the shit out his girls when he's hard, not many survive and yet she looks fine). Nor proof that Rheastrasza somehow got her hands on Deathwing juice to fertilize the egg. Maybe he just calls him "father" as all red dragons call Alexstrasza "mother" because, well, dragons. Wrathion seems to be a random heritage black dragon that's obssessed with surpassing his "father" and his deeds. And of course, being free from all influence. Perhaps this will be retconned in the future.

[@alwaysangry2232]

welcome to blizzard writing

[@Trakesh]

I'd want to call Alexstrasza "mommy" as well.

[@squirlking2]

Garry was not found not guilty. He was found guilty to be punished with life in prison instead of straight execution. The celestials say essentially they want individuals to find redemption rather then just being killed. Which is really dum the worst criminals can't change and should die painfully.

[@sasaki8765]

I hate the narrative that Sylvanas just changed her mind because she grew a conscience. She changed her mind because from the start she had an agreement with the jailer about breaking the cycle, and how things would go a specific way. Instead the jailer says "nah lol. Cycle keeps going, I'm just in charge now and it'll be even shittier." She's supposed to just be okay with that? Her reasons are entirely selfish, but it doesn't just happen out of nowhere. Sylvanas is still a selfish idiot, but saying she just changed her mind out of nowhere because muh redemption is just wrong. She was lied to. She's an idiot for falling for it, but that changes nothing.

[@jackphilipsen452]

If Varian would have killed all the horde leaders in Pandaria. Others would take there place and a new war would have broken out. Then we would not have Warlord of Draenor. (what you think would be a good thing) Then we probably would got Battle for Azeroth first and after we would have the Legion atack. At that point the Alliance would have lost from the legion because at that time we wouldnt have anny standing army left on Azeroth. Varian made the right choice. (change my mind:)

[@apacalypsagon3758]

If the pandas were weak enough to get themselves thrashed by the horde then they deserve whatever happens to them. Heck instead of fighting during the war of the ancients they thought it was a better idea to hide in mists. If anything they all should thank the races of azeroth for saving collective behinds not lecturing them on the methods of war that kept them alive all this time.

[@alwaysangry2232]

gosh had forgotten how annoying the pandaren moralism was

[@Elysian777]

Pandaria at Tavern in the Mists- integral to the legendary cape. I liked doing that quest.

[@Zeryurijin]

The legendary daggers for rogues in Cataclysm. Ahh those were good times. Only thing that irked me (and many a rogue) was the spec it was tied to: Oh hey lets make some wicked ass daggers of emmense power and tie them to a spec that not many people want to play: Combat! A.K.A. Outlaw! Makes me think whoever came up with that idea was already punch drunk from Pandaria's taverns.

[@Levitiy]

15:14 A toast for the assholes. A toast for the scumbags. 🍺

[@randomfeller]

The funny thing about Garrosh killing Kairoz is that Kairoz admitted to Garrosh that he was weak in his humanoid form and Garrosh killed him before he could revert back to a dragon. You can’t give a tyrant your weakness and not expect him to exploit it…lol

[@stovepip]

With a name like "The alliance" it would make sense for the horde factions to be integrated into one alliance. You could still have story influenced conflicts between nations and sphere of influences. Friends would not be divided by factions and everyone could play with, or kill anyone they wished.

[@tiffles3890]

With the exception of the Tauren, I'd much rather that the races of the horde just "disappeared".

[@Hi-fd4cw]

Bad take

[@kimforsberg4101]

5:35 they went back to discover a Holy shit

[@kurtslavain]

I get Blizzard's decision for Varian to spare the horde leaders from a gameplay perspective. If he just ended the horde(or the war, for that matter), how would Blizzard justify having the horde as a faction that's waging war against the Alliance in the next expansion? If there's no war, there's no PvP and WoW would be just WoC(World of Cratf) xD I guess the horde could rebuild itself from scrap(which in my opinion would make a better story) but the writers didn't want to bother, cause that's a lot of work. Cause you gotta invent new fully-fleshed characters to become the new leaders and you gotta think of a new reason/occasion to restart the war. Maybe revenge for their fallen predecessors or liberation from Alliance rule, idk.

[@termos7837]

7:24 this is literally revenge of the sith when Sidious shocks Windu and Sidious is trying to convince Anakin xD

[@ForemostCrab7]

Funny thing about players refusing to do a battleground, GW2 had the same thing for their anniversary, you had to PARTAKE in a PvP match, win, lose, didn't matter, just partake from start to finish, that was the Only requirement, yet people who are hyper against PvP REFUSED to do this challenge...Some people are just f***ing weird like that.

[@kacecrimson8297]

18:13 this is the most FUNNIEST THING I have ever witnessed

[@dllsorfe]

"The more you fuck around the more you find out" is the quote that best fit Wrathion...

[@tarroes8797]

Imagine being such a Wrathion simp that you justify genocide

[@lowkeyarki7091]

So it was a self fulfilled prophecy.

[@Shiirow]

failed to eradicate a small human child and ran away, totally a merciless warrior.

[@مغربية-ط5م]

Garrosh going through his personal Nuremberg like "Yeah, and I'd fucking do it again."

[@vedox8420]

37:37 I think his favorite character would be Griffith ngl

[@tsunamishijo2612]

There was a cut scene in MoP that had Anduin DW his fathers swords.

[@kurtslavain]

That story sounds like the civil war in Skyrim. A dragon(born) picks a side in order to end the (civil)war, in order to prepare for a greater threat(the Thalmor).

[@ambushbob5383]

My refusal to do pvp for that cape got to the point my guildmaster told me to just let him do it for me. And he did, and I continued to not pvp.

[@thanquolrattenherz9665]

baine was garosh lawyer but the celestials already judged him before trial to socialwork but instead wanted to put azeroths citizen to the trial with this tyrannde was the attorney. the book was special to be real. i wonder if asmon really beliefs thats a good idea since you also get another legion with every wod too also when garrosh kills everyone on azeroth its lessens the ammount of people fighting the legion also its questionable that neither alliance nor horde could control the other side by force to fight the legion.

[@jagdson2701]

Translation, please.

[@thanquolrattenherz9665]

@@jagdson2701 its already in english or do you mean pagenotes, pls explain

[@Thegooderstuffs]

Man, they need Oded Fehr(The Mummy, Deuce Bigalo) to play Wrathion in any live action WoW shit they do

[@Dendarang]

Hopefully they never do any live action stuff ever again after the failure of Warcraft movie. Arcane should have shown them what animation based on games should be, they should emulate that instead of trying to chase Jackson's LotR films.

[@xastielmuffinz3047]

It's kinda funny how Wrathion's words now makes sense, not because of the story. but because Bliz kept ruining the stories over and over and keep trying to make Anduin the righteous leader of good but never made sense, and now the new trailer depict him as a shell of a broken man. because he was too soft

[@thomasholmstrom6434]

Garosh killed Cairn ... that was wrong

[@thomasmccabe9332]

Did you see the spikes on those eggs? could you imagine laying one of those bad boys?!

[@kzkaa.]

those dragons must have some strong organs to be able to perform that action

[@buzzlightyearpfp7641]

tong doing the talk talk thing killed me

[@Delta9Church]

Can we just acknowledge that "Deez nuts" has been a thing since the early 90s when it was first said on The Chronic, and is in fact much older than our boy seems to recall?

[@ericbowers5968]

Storylines like this aren't in wow anymore cause they play it too safe. Forcing a dragon to produce eggs is, conceptually, to close to rape and you know blizz don't want associated with their name right now.

[@illidanstormrage4608]

anytime there is ever a prophesy in a story and one character is hell bent to stop it he will always be the one to cause it.

[@EvLch3dd4r]

What if they have Ebonhorn play a Jon Snow type of storyline where he's technically the rightful heir to the black dragons as their leader but doesn't want it whereas Wrathion wants it and is clearly flawed in his approach because he chooses Fire and Blood. Blizzard does best when it copies other content.

[@ajraynemaker5339]

I think Ebonhorn is stuck living in Highmountain. Unless I misunderstood the events toward the end of BfA. To be honest, I kind of started tuning out the lore because it was getting so dumb, so I may have missed something.

[@tharifus7219]

If Varian took down all the leaders there, then we would of never survived the legion invasion after the broken shore.

[@Tommonius]

Your assuming defeating them meant killing them all. I really do think all the dudes killed from the constant alliance-horde wars weakened both factions amd justifies dismantling of the defeated one. And like 5 or 6 years laterin game we got the 4th war

[@tharifus7219]

@@Tommonius confused