The Science of Sagan

[@robinhood20253]

Thank you Seth. Sagan was a thousand years ahead of his time , and ours too sadly. Unfortunately all the warnings fall on deaf ears today.

[@Scorned405]

In the next four years coming up there will unfortunately be many more deaf ears.

[@Bloke-in-Stoke]

You said it better than I could. Worth remembering that Carl's words fell of mostly deaf ears even back then. If he can't convince the politicians... who can? I'm far from confident. Cheers 🍺

[@rokkitserjun]

@@Scorned405-Perhaps if one side didn't constantly poison the well with condescension and insults, there would be fewer deaf ears.

[@nash984954]

Cosmic Connection was first of his booksand I never stopped reading his thoughts and total agreement with his sentiments from choices in mates and etc. A mentor and I had no family but books and science, and a perfect spokesman, and almost closest to family as I could get, fostered and orphanages and my best and closest I'd get, still I was so , and to this day. thanks to Sagan family and life's outlook, his parents instilled into him. AND Thanks to the Atheist and Freethought communities, I feel, that is,I think, I have a chance at the life's reality of a scientific method of seeing reality thrilled,yep thrilled Thanks to you, and, Seth.

[@nash984954]

@@rokkitserjun uh, forgive me, but when you use the word their when you mean there, it will enccourage some to use it to pretend you don't know better, when really, shouldn't s grammar checker catch it? If you have one,unless, your keyboard is screwedd up and going back to correcr it,is a pain as are spaces after commas. Despite that, readers will mentally correct it and move on, , folks forget English may not be their native language, offence.

[@johnstjohn4705]

I heard Sagan speak twice in Portland, Oregon. In the Q and A at one of those, an audience member asked, "how can you look at the wonders of the world and not want to know God?" Sagan immediately answered, "how can you look at the wonders of the world and not want to know science?" He was a treasure. I cried when he died.

[@Andrew-lp4wv]

He explained what most people don't comprehend

[@graduallyatheist-l7p]

If you want to learn to spot and debunk misinformation, read "Demon-Haunted World: Science As A Candle in the Dark".

[@hifibrony]

@@graduallyatheist-l7p Agreed. It's a short course in critical thinking skills.

[@debranelson1987]

I think most people willfully don't want to comprehend and remain willfully ignorant.

[@graduallyatheist-l7p]

@debranelson1987 those people are willfully ignorant. AKA a majority of AiG.

[@graduallyatheist-l7p]

@@hifibrony I love it. By no means, is it in depth. But it's a good guide.

[@followthewolves1991]

Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" speech helped shape me into who I am today.

[@eminence_front6043]

Always loved listening to Sagan. He was a man ahead of his time. He would be sad and disgusted to know what was going on today. Thanks Seth for this show.

[@martinnyberg8174]

When Neil Tyson told that story about his visit to Ithaca in his own version of Cosmos, and couldn’t hold his tears back, I cried the whole episode. Such a wonderful homage to the man who made a whole generation of us kids back then scientifically literate. Ask any science graduate in their early fifties what inspired them as a kid, and Carl Sagan will be the answer.

[@searats20]

I never get tired of hearing Carl speak. I wasn't alive when he was, but he has still been a huge inspiration. Above my bed, I have a poster with his "Pale Blue Dot" and the famous image of our tiny Earth. His words are a constant reminder to be humble, and to spread love, kindness and scientific literacy.

[@matthewrichardson7687]

Thank you for your dedication to being a thinking and thoughtful individual, Seth.

[@FitnessAnkara]

Thank you very much Seth for this wonderful episode. Sagan was such a brilliant human being, I am grateful for the books he left for us, they are the real treasures.

[@jfraysse2]

Wow, thanks for this Seth!❤

[@mysticaleagle1625]

The best xmas gift. Thanks Seth.

[@animefurry3508]

Wow that opening Sagen quote was way to scary accurate, he didn't just hit the nail on the head, both the nail and hammer exploded on impact! Amazingly beautifully minded man!

[@johnalexir7634]

Amazing foresight by Sagan. Bang on appraisal of where we're getting to now. We need more brilliant minds like his today.

[@graduallyatheist-l7p]

He saw it coming from a mile away.

[@raymondregis6219]

This was wonderful. Thanks.

[@lindapendleton9176]

I fondly remember purchasing a tape cassette of the sound track that accompanied the series " cosmos." Watching it was a revelation. That series and Joseph Campbell's series were wonderful and deserves to be part of school cariculum worldwide.. Thanks Seth. You are a treasure.

[@darbymori350]

I have the soundtrack too

[@johnfoppiano7058]

You don't call a man great for the things he does during his life. You call a man great when his memory lasts far after his death. Sagan taught half this country to think. I will be forever grateful for his wisdom, compassion, and love of science. Thank you Seth for posting this. You've taken up the torch and it's fantastic! Liked and shared🎉

[@wardka]

Sagan is still my hero. The world he feared is here now and it may be even worse than he predicted. We need someone with his vision and charisma today to steer us out of the looming dark ages that must surely come if we continue our glorification of ignorance.

[@nash984954]

Try Center for Inquiry, he mentioned in his book one of their mags, 'Skeptical Inquirer' due to its debunking of the tons of monthly pseudoscience from UFOs, to speaking to the dead[an actual TV show with a guy coldreading audience members,acting as if he's contacting relatives who died, and in the book The Demon Haunted World, Science as a Candle in the Dark'" Sagan mentioned how it'd be great to talk again with his loving parents, but such claims require equal evidence yet forthcoming], so pseudoscience vs erroneus science or even no science is with us, but pure sentimental wishful thinking of life after the death of our own body. I want to tell also cataracts darken your eyes vision for reading even in balancing your body in space, as these deposits change the vision and hence the loss of stereoscpic vision as eacyh eye's visual acuity vhamges and different for each eye, the original acuity forcees us who wear glasses, near, or far sighted, and even astigmatism that glasses can correct, but it doesn't last forever, and reading by changing the eyes accomodation with glasses the same,my friend retired did cataract surgery[changed his original defect and he looked so differntly without his glasses[he was farsighted]the lens corrected for the plaques with the inserted lens(s) measured fo a lens without the farsightedness, his eyes are perfect. Do it early, cuz age is almost a DIS-ease once it starts DE-FUNCTIONALLY caused stuff age usually permts,so old people wer/are right when they told us: take care of your body,lol

[@manskow]

Thank you for highlighting the legacy of this remarkable man. I fondly remember watching Cosmos as a child - most of it was far above my comprehension, except for one essential thing: There are things that I don’t understand, most of them I probably won’t ever understand. But I can study, I can learn, and I will never be threatened by what is beyond the capacity of my mind.

[@jonnieinbangkok]

The original Democluck 😂 😂 😂

[@johngavin1175]

​@@jonnieinbangkokDont you have better things to do,like keeping your family tree as straight as possible?

[@leothenomad5675]

​@@jonnieinbangkokThanks for proving the entire point of the video.

[@Devin0327]

Seth you've been killing it lately, I'm not a big commenter and have been watching you for over 6 years, but lately... Chef's kiss. Thank you for always inspiring us and taking pride in your work.

[@andysahus67]

Thank you Seth. A beautiful tribute to Carl Sagan.Missed by many🙏

[@blakeusry124]

Thanks for all you do Seth. Sanity is needed.

[@26beegee]

All Americans would benefit from listening to this but, believers NEED to hear this. Thanks Seth. P.S. My grandson (a pilot since he was 11) has skipped two grades and will graduate at 16 years of age. He simply was not being challenged in school - even at his charter school! Probably true for the majority of American students. 😞

[@jerrymcreynolds1980]

Thank you, Seth.

[@seandonahue8464]

I was lucky enough to have watched carl Sagan’s Cosmos on PBS as a 16 year old boy. I still enjoy watching on occasion and read several of his books. If only more people shared his love seeking truth and simple love of life.

[@hifibrony]

Carl Sagan is one of my handful of genuine heroes. "Cosmos" changed my life and solidified my atheism. The "Pale Blue Dot" excerpt never fails to make me come over all misty.

[@jonnieinbangkok]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[@Flockmeister]

In 1995, Sagan spoke at a convocation celebrating the 100th anniversary of the founding of the university where I worked. I’m so glad attended. At one point, he mentioned bonobos; I didn’t understand. I had heard of “Pygmy Chimpanzees” and put it together later.

[@RubyNeumann]

Inspiring... My one word descriptor of anything Carl Sagan.

[@johngavin1175]

Thank you for this vid,and for what you and the others out there do. I'm 42,and really regret not paying attention to science until recently. I took quite a bit of science and math in high school and excelled,but that was only to get good grades. None of it seemed to stick,unfortunately.

[@JariDawnchild]

Same.

[@herbieshine1312]

I watched Cosmos as a nearly teenager when it was first broadcast in the UK. It is one of the things that set me on a course of skepticism and fact based reasoning. I was fascinated by how Sagen spoke. The rhythm of his speech, the way he'd emphasise words, his accent.

[@Scorned405]

The world needs Sagan now more than over. He is greatly missed

[@stuartbroadhurst7523]

He is certainly my favourite American so erudite, we ignore him at our peril. Then Hitch who moved across the pond sadly neither still with us. Carl had a great mind and so capable at passing over to the layman.

[@climateteacherjohnj7763]

In January of 1987, I had the honor of being arrested with Carl Sagan (along with Kris Kristofferson, Martin Sheen, and 450+ others) at the Nevada Test Site (nuclear weapons testing facility). His work exposing the dangers of nuclear warfare and the prospect of a "nuclear winter" did a lot to wake us up. His decision to engage in civil disobedience did a lot more to inspire us to action. One of the proudest moments of my life!

[@Bloke-in-Stoke]

Thanks for your efforts John. Sticking together is all we have left. Cheers 🍺

[@ChrisM-ve6qc]

Seth and I are synced up this week. I binged a lot of Carl on KZbin these past couple days. Carl is a familiar, rational, voice of reason speaking a language I began to understand and embrace a few decades ago. His discussion of James Maxwell and electromagnetism in The Demon Haunted World was an epiphany for me.

[@syzygy808]

Worth the listen. This is exactly why we are where we are in my beloved Country.

[@surfsnow1371]

The best!!

[@Extrusor_3D]

Thanks for this hommage to one of my heroes Seth. Carl's insight and communication skills would be invaluable right now. I miss him dearly. The Pale Blue Dot, is all you need to read in order to know the essence of who y was.

[@TennesseeJed]

Sagan was an amazing guy

[@stevecaldwell6169]

Thank you most sincerely Seth for the remembrance of a true “hero.” You are also an esteemed and noble person.

[@MicheeBee]

So prescient. I love his mind.

[@UncleBuZ]

Carl Sagan reminded us that we are but a "pale blue dot," fragile and small in the vast cosmic arena, yet capable of wonder and responsibility for the only home we've ever known.

[@mger2272]

Carl Sagan’s “Pale Blue Dot” monologue is one of the most profound things I have ever heard. Tragically, America did not heed his warnings and now decades of willful ignorance, greed & selfishness have brought about the collapse he so accurately predicted. Our stupidity and superstition have delivered us to the fascist monsters poised to destroy this country and the world. RIP Mr. Sagan. Sorry you are gone. Glad you did not live to see our shame made manifest.

[@Bloke-in-Stoke]

Perfect, thank you. 👍

[@jonnieinbangkok]

Drama queen much 😂 😂 😂 #MAGAKing2024 #letsgokamabla

[@rokkitserjun]

Such a strong start to be followed by more divisive stupidity. Your myopic view is highlighted when you singled out America. I'm afraid the pale blue dot has more than just the America pixel. You then further poison the message with the obvious fearmongered reference to 'the fascist monsters' who don't subscribe to your political ideology. You should have stopped at one sentence and been considered reverent. Sadly, you expounded and exposed the truth.

[@johngavin1175]

​@@jonnieinbangkokYou're downplaying things with insults and ignorance. If your screename is correct,then you don't live here. But its apparent that the wave of bullshit coming America's way is going to effect the world in some way. Wake up!

[@johngavin1175]

​@@jonnieinbangkokAll you have is insults and bullshit. Wake up!

[@johnglad5]

Sagan was a self proclaimed pile of molecules. Crazy

[@dwdei8815]

We are living in the Carl Sagan Book of Revelations. And every scary, alarming word and verse of it is bang on the money.

[@adriannegentleman83]

Thank you, Seth. Carl Sagan was one of the most inspiring people to have lived, and the pale blue dot speech is one of the most poignant speeches ever. Are we going to learn what he tried to teach us, or are we going to destroy the future for our descendants? It's past time we started to listen to science. Because god won't help only with the help of science can we escape from this trap we have made for ourselves.

[@Thomas-ni1jn]

Part of me is glad that Sagan didn't live to see today. If you watched his last few interviews you would see a still joyful man trapped in a mind that knew where things were going. I'm glad we don't have video of him getting tears in his eyes while reflecting on today. Thank you, Seth. ❤ kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2mrdqqFYpd_atksi=DqOVwLCPsvb4kvGE

[@geopad8444]

Epic Show! I really need this. Thanks Seth

[@bikeRNurseratchet]

Thank you, Seth. This was great!

[@LimitlessThinker]

I have his book The Demon-Haunted World. I love Carl Sagan! He was such an important figure. We are made of star-stuff!

[@nepunepu5894]

It's not that Sagan was ahead of his time, it's that we never change for decades.

[@JohnSandlin-e3j]

Isaac Asimov was making similar comments. In 1980 he publish a column in News Week January 21, 1980 he called "A Cult of Ignorance." In that column he said "The strain of anti-intellectualism has be a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'My ignorances is Just as good as your knowledge.' "

[@TheOicyu812]

Hail Sagan!🤘

[@OceanusHelios]

I see what you did there. Gotta love Aron Ra.

[@johngavin1175]

​@@OceanusHeliosI know AronRa has his haters. I love what he and the others are doing to push back against bullshit.

[@jonjosenna5581]

What a special human Carl was, even if you don't agree with everything he says; he's absolutely worth listening too. One in a billion, human. We miss you, Carl.

[@Marko_Ilic]

This was wonderful, thank you Seth!!

[@adreanqq7276]

It makes me exceptionally sad that the world didn't listen to Sagan, every time I hear him speak or read/listen to quotes I go between sadness at the loss of such a beautiful thoughtful person who has not sufficiently been replaced (I'm sorry neil degrass tyson does not meet the bar, he makes people feel stupid for not knowing rather than filling people with curiosity and amazement, social media killed any ability for me to listen to that arrogant prick of a man speak) but I am also glad Sagan does not have to see what will become of us. Hearing Sagan always fills me with immense hope and despair simultaneously in equal dose.

[@JariDawnchild]

I don't have too much of a problem with Tyson's way of imparting information, though I can understand why a lot of people do. He's good at bringing the complicated down just enough for my brain to pick it up without sounding too much like he's explaining it to a 5yo too often.

[@kristineolsen477]

This is so wonderful 😊 Thank you very much for putting it together so we can learn from and remember then continue onward. I am grateful. Your friend Kristine

[@mikemaas82]

Very inspiring - great episode

[@GreenmanDave]

I got a bit verklempt at the end. 😥

[@AlterEgoPerspectivewBronxGirl]

What great read. I remember parade being in the Sunday paper I was 9 in 1989

[@musicauthority674]

The pale blue dot lecture by Carl Sagan. should be played every time Musk talks about colonizing Mars. because we are no closer to colonizing Mars than we have ever been. Musk is a dreamer.

[@AafkeArt]

"morally feeble technologists" .... OMG, could have been written this morning.

[@JariDawnchild]

Blew my mind. Maybe it's a good thing Sagan doesn't have to suffer what the world has become. There are few things if any I get fanatic over, but the nasty smear campaign that'd be laid against him today would drive me nuts.

[@Kotifilosofi]

I feel like one serious challenge of our time that's still seriously underestimated is the screen addiction. Sure you can do a lot of useful and important things with phones and computers. But there's such a massive industry (gaming, movies, social media, influencers, shopping...) sole purpose of which is to make people as much engaged (addicted) on their products as possible, that people are literally unable to aim their focus on anything important or useful for a sufficient amount of time to develop anything beyond passive consumption. For example, most 15-20 years olds (and also a lot of people way older) wouldn't be able to watch this video through, if they could freely choose to do something else, due to the declining attention span. As a matter of fact, many people already struggle to comprehensively watch a 15 min video these days. SLOW DOPAMINE should be the word of the day. Greetings from Finland!

[@varyolla435]

_"Internet addiction"_ = is a recognized psychiatric problem......... As you alluded to the nature of gaming and internet engagement predicated upon constant "stimuli" is harmful for humans. Your brain is not wired to handle continuous stimulation which becomes like opioid addiction creating a psychological "need" for the same.

[@travisbrown9546]

Carl Sagan is the reason I finally rejected religion! I was lied to my whole life. We are star stuff harvesting star stuff!

[@exoplanet11]

Thanks.

[@muliefriend4785]

If anything, Mars is a lesson of what Earth could look like if our insanity continues.

[@mobiusd9885]

I got a copy of The Demon Haunted World when it first came out. It is, IMHO, a great book addressing an important topic. I loaned the book to a woman friend of mine. Sadly, she couldn't bring herself to read it since it had the word "demon" in the title. Alas.

[@johngavin1175]

Why would be scared off by that? Which side of the fence was she on? I'm asking earnestly.

[@mobiusd9885]

@@johngavin1175 She was rather religious. I tried explaining the "demon" was ignorance but it didn't change her decision.

[@mjkluck]

Good stuff, Bubs.

[@m.talley1660]

My favorite Sagan saying, star stuff (we are made of . . ). I like alliteration, if you see what I did there - "S" words - several strung in a series. Anywho . . . There needs to be a Carl Sagan appreciation society, if doesn't already exist. And it's charter ought to posit - to never allow either he or his science philosophy be the basis of a religion.

[@janusatthegate6201]

One trouble is those kids' kids grew up to love TV , streaming, and gaming as much as they, now sharing with their kids.

[@jimrobin]

That "host" with Sagan, Clarke and Hawking sounded very much like Sir Patrick Moore, British astronomer and television presenter.

[@janusatthegate6201]

Getting good education is fighting not only distraction but our government.

[@hifibrony]

That depends on the state you live in. If you live in a state like Minnesota or Massachusetts a good education can be had in public schools. In the south, not so much.

[@johngavin1175]

​​@@hifibrony"In the South"😂 Floridian here. I took advanced classes in high school. I only made good grades to graduate, not learn. I'm regretting that now at 42. I'm just now recently realizing the importance of science.

[@513morris]

Hail Sagan!

[@hifibrony]

Just ordered the t-shirt after seeing Aron wearing one!

[@nathanirby4273]

Wow that is so eerily pertinent, seems like my generations parents were not listening though,

[@DY2784]

💙💙💙👍👍👍

[@willievanstraaten1069]

Sagan formed my view on religions.

[@ma.7583]

Where can I find these Sagan clips? Are they on KZbin?

[@Wrensan]

Great podcast! Thank you!

[@eldridgedavis]

Great video Seth! Check out the 2024 movie Heretic guys. Hugh Grant does an awesome job destroying religion on screen.

[@cowboyfrankspersonalvideos8869]

Good timing. Only yesterday (from this video's posting) I had to deal with a MAGA supporter. I was there to get some work done on my RV. He asked me about my F-150 Lightning electric truck. He finally said my truck runs on coal. I tried to explain that we live in the middle of one of the largest wind farms in the US (eastern Colorado, western Kansas) and that 90% of our electricity comes from wind. His response was that wind farms don't help because the government controls the weather. The discussion (well it was really an argument) degraded from there, every bit of his side was pure pseudoscience and I completely wrong. As many others have mentioned, it was like trying to argue with a brick wall. I finally told him we need to keep our interactions strictly business. It was extremely frustrating. That was the first time, and I hope the last time, I will try to deal with a MSGA supporter, despite the fact I live in the middle of one of the more dence MAGA populations in the mid US. I lost what little religion I had around 1960 when I was about 9. None of it made any sense to me. I define myself as an antitheist but am not a very good one so I have to be content as being a simple atheist. Thanks for your good work.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

How do you handle the worry that they will not do good work for you, since they know your views? Do you think revenge is a thing for them?

[@cowboyfrankspersonalvideos8869]

@@littlebitofhope1489 I don't think revenge is an issue. However, I'm not all that confident he is very good. The real problem is it's an inverter/charger that is being replaced and I don't think he is all that knowledgeable on electric. I had to try to teach him watts law which I don't think stuck. While the device weighs in the range of 100 pounds, and I'm 73, I can't do it myself. Luckily the actual hookup is straight forward and I have all the manuals. My other option would be to drag the trailer to a more reputable center, but since I don't have enough 12 volt power to pull in the hydraulic slides, I'm kind of stuck. The nearest other RV place is 100 miles away. Wish me luck.

[@Bloke-in-Stoke]

I feel your pain Frank. While we don't quite yet have your level of irrational, gullible, bible bashing, morons here in the UK, we're not that far behind you and, just as much of a worry is our politicians, on both sides, seem to be heading down the path of our own British twist on MAGA. Good job we still produce great beers to help numb the suffering. Cheers 🍺

[@littlebitofhope1489]

@@cowboyfrankspersonalvideos8869 GOOD LUCK!!! But at least we know that the only reason he is in business, is that he has no competition.

[@DennisMerwood]

There are a lot of atheist MAGA's, Cowboy. I am one. Low blow to tar us ALL with the same brush And very insulting and condescending!

[@haikupoettt]

👍

[@dwdei8815]

Religion: Bah, forget about that pale blue dot. At best it's an examination room - caught in a sunbeam, the stupid thing. Forget about it. There's an even bluer and better dot elsewhere and I know how to get you there - pinkie promise.

[@hifibrony]

Upvote for My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic reference.

[@rickc2102]

nothing ever feels as solid to me as does the pursuit of verity

[@Wrensan]

Moral development lacking in most of humans

[@JariDawnchild]

"Social lubrication" is fairly accurate...

[@phazecat]

NDT aiming to treat the next generation of students the way Sagan did is the most hilarious joke I've heard today

[@leothenomad5675]

Why, what is hilarious about it?

[@GlobeHackers]

I and I, me and mine, the inefable selfie self, I am what I am I am, You Think Therefore I am, The Billions and Billions of Words I speak, the prattle, as it were, love you so very very much mister thinking A. Believe it. (I and I also remember Ithica.)

[@rufusthehunalprophet6648]

No views, 3 likes, and I thought this was titled "The Science of Satan" Good morning!!

[@archapmangcmg]

Hail Sagan!

[@XinwylFumudaiski]

Off to the Saganic Temple we go!

[@graduallyatheist-l7p]

HAIL SAGAN

[@johngavin1175]

Time for some Sagtanic death metal😂

[@graduallyatheist-l7p]

@@johngavin1175 rock out with your scientific calculator out

[@treefrog3349]

Caeel Sagan

[@dkazmer2]

Related: a favourite of mine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3mWlGSHj9-FgZY

[@JFrazer4303]

41:03 Give no attention to what Musk says. He's throwing out fantasies. If he'd talk about establishing a permanent, continuously inhabited base on Mars (such as we have on Antarctica), it might make sense. Establishing the transportation infrastructure. There's a big difference between a research & exploration base and a "colony". Nobody's going to retire there and raise children. Nor should anybody say that we shouldn't be doing it while we have starving orphans down here, or demand that it "pay for itself" or be in any way self-sufficient. I cannot stand by while people lay the world's troubles at NASA's doorstep, talking as if exploring Mars would stop us from being able to do good things down here. First: Funding to NASA and science in general has *_ALWAYS_* paid itself back into the economy, many times over. The biggest hoax and scam of the space age is that so many even knowledgeable people have been convinced that doing large-scale, long-term big things in space is a huge budget-busting expense. And that there's nothing beneficial, profitable, good for the biosphere and people, things to be doing in space. Both are simply not true. During the time-scale of Apollo, the US spent as much on cosmetics, and large States spent more on liquor, than we spent going to the Moon. (Don't even think of comparing it to what we were spending in Vietnam, or your head will explode.) The TARP bailouts of '08 were greater than the entire historic running grand-total NASA cost. The bailouts of 2020 were very much more. Today, our DoD budget is comfortably greater than that total NASA cost. Counting Apollo, the Shuttle, the ISS, and everything else NASA does. Not counting "black" military spending and on-going military operational costs which are more and aren't in that voted budget. (≈$650 billion in today's money to NASA, versus $680 billion+ to the DoD this year.) Since 2003 we've spent $14 trillion+ on the military. Meanwhile, the Pentagon has repeatedly catastrophically failed its audits and can't account for over half its assets. There is no way an extended space effort of exploring Mars and mining NEAs & building solar power satellites could cost more than a few years of the Pentagon's losses. Yet, we face another oil war to save a nickel on a gallon of gas, and now we're talking about invading Panama and Greenland and Canada. (Yes, we hear that establishing those heavy industries in space would take 25 years to return anything big. Yes, they've been 25 years away since the early '70s.) Learning to do some of our worst heavily polluting industries out of the biosphere is the most important thing we could be doing. Terraforming not Mars but Earth. With access to the resources of the inner Solar system we could not only survive but thrive during +6°C warming, or an ice age, or Yellowstone.

[@craigjones9372]

There is no "Science of Sagan", only science.

[@stayingalive992]

this is depressing... the metrics being stated by the host about US schoolkids relative to other countries...

[@MGhobbyroom]

This isn't anything new though. The US education system has been the worst of all developed countries for decades. As long as religion has its grip, the country will likely continue to fall behind.

[@m.talley1660]

Hearing the question of who would do the needed work if science went unappreciated and not taught - my thoughts went to the likely answer - immigrants. Grateful they come and take up the slack.

[@hifibrony]

@@MGhobbyroom And the Europeans, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Canadians and Indians will continue to point and laugh.

[@KGP221]

@15:12-13 "The sword of science is double edged". So is the knowledge of good and evil which is a necessary understanding of something's usefulness.

[@van3363]

I'm terrified that Maga will take us to this place, fear and superstition. Where ignorance is honored and one dare not question. 😢

[@johngavin1175]

It is my fear as well. Personally,I have a "demon" I must slay,and science and medicine will help with that. I must get that done before science, knowledge,facts,and empathy become outlawed.

[@Deutsch-um6rt]

Wow, I just ordered his book on Amazon and here you go - a podcast about him from SA. I also recently found out he wasn’t nice to his spouses , esp to his first wife, Lynn Margulis. He wanted to see her as a housewife while he spent his time concentrating on science.

[@Nooneself]

I loved Sagan but sadly he was never able to see the darkside of science such as poisonous gas, nuclear bombs, industrial waste etc etc etc. Best wishes

[@littlebitofhope1489]

He literally talked about that in these recordings. SMDH

[@johngavin1175]

He never got to see those things? Nuclear waste wasn't a thing in his lifetime?

[@anti-theist]

I have a suggestion… I always fast-forward through the long, noisy intro, which is, shockingly, nearly a full minute long. Go check out the Liberal Rednecks’ podcast to see how an intro can be short, informative, and entertaining. Their intro is a funny song with simple graphics. If you think Seth needs a new intro that isn’t nearly as long, please like this comment.

[@AlexStock187]

Me, who has read/heard everything from Sagan in this podcast multiple times: "Yes, sir; may I have another?"

[@PonyboyGarfunkel]

I have never heard Seth express his beliefs. I wonder how he feels about the "trans" ideology embraced by "The Line."

[@kca_randy]

Maybe you should update your intro, just an idea .

[@jonnieinbangkok]

#MAGAKing2024 #letsgokamabla #yourbodymychoice

[@kimsteinke713]

Don't you want to just scream. " The God in the Old testament of genocide is not God it is man😂 spoiler alert Men Usurped God Jesus and You 🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🤝🤝