The Seahawks Forever Podcast Crossover with Dan Viens

[@dvn3605]

1:02:00 definitely agree with Dan there. Not saying John can do more but i think we need to look at better evaluation process and staffing for line.

[@chrisolson719]

Brandon dropping bombs on this show 😂!!!This was a great show. Love the content that Dan & Brandon provide.

[@rickyricardo4599]

An ideal offseason would look like this: Replace the GM and OC, bringing in Brian Gaine as the new GM from the Bills and one of the recently fired head coaches as the OC. Use the first-round pick to draft Kenneth Grant and finally solidify the NT position. Re-sign Reed on a one-year deal, release Uchenna and Dremont, and invest in a top-tier pass rusher to complement Mafe and Hall. Extend Jones at MLB and maintain the current secondary. With McDonald having a full year, this defense has the potential to be top 5 with all this talent. For the offense, focus on proven talent in free agency for the offensive line-no more one-year deals for aging guards or centers. Sign multi-year contracts with reliable players under 30, particularly for two interior line positions. Release Lockett and draft a WR3 in the second round. Retain Fant at TE and bring in a competent return specialist. Geno Smith is an elite QB who deserves a strong offensive line and a GM who values him.

[@Smokey525]

We need a new OC. Loved at him at UW and JSN flourished this year but are in the bottom end of offensive metrics this year with a good defense. Compare that to last year where we were 10th/11th in offensive EPA but dead last in offensive plays because the defense couldn't get off the field (thank you Clint Hurtt). All this with same turrrrible O-Line.

[@jsods1]

Nobody is paying Geno Picks squat. He has NO leverage.

[@jimcampbell4410]

Never made sence to put a guy in wrong position and expect success!

[@user-ye7ro5sg4p]

Geno may have lost a step, but he's still got the moves - just not when it really counts. Guess he's better at driving the field than driving it home.

[@jesselund360]

I clinch up everytime we get inside the 10-12ish yard line....I swear to God I have more faith from the 35 than the 5 at this point lol

[@jettwilliams8342]

Exactly, I always thought his biggest flaw was his decision making. Geno's got the talent of a top 10 QB but he lacks awareness.

[@jimcampbell4410]

Yeah believe you would get the most for dk right now !

[@YoungBideo]

I'm on the bus that the OL is the main reason why the Seahawks have been mid the past years

[@user-ye7ro5sg4p]

Schnieder should be the one in the hot seat

[@GodBless1121]

To get paid that much and can’t run an out route or slant is insane. Trade DK and get some draft capital. We still have bobo and can pick up another WR in the later rounds

[@RandyCreates]

Sadly, I love DK but he hasn’t progressed as a WR, better to trade him and sign Tee Higgins

[@brianmyers4444]

Bobo😂😂😂

[@LevelSkip]

Is that why Bobo has like 20 snaps this season? He’s a year younger than DK and no where as good.

[@CoryVB133]

More Bobo!

[@MstHatd-yg2kd]

@@brianmyers4444stopppp omg bobo is a wr4 at his very best

[@jesselund360]

How have we not built a line when JS is buddies with Holmgren? Did he not grab his number in GB or what?

[@user-ye7ro5sg4p]

DK reunited with Russell Wilson

[@georgebennett8185]

Thoughts about hiring a running game coordinator next season?

[@TheHawksNest12thman]

@@georgebennett8185 It could only help. They don’t have one now and it doesn’t seem like it’s benefited the team.

[@ace448]

We need to tear it down. I am one of those fans. I’d rather be a top five draft pick next year. Then 9-8 again. If we do the “fixes” this off season much higher odds that we go 9-8 again then we compete. If we do those fixes we are going to be giving expensive contracts to players who will not deliver the ROI. DK is good but is not game changing. Geno is fine, not worth $50 million a year. K9 is hurt all the time. Grubb doesn’t get the pro game. Honestly I think Hawks fans that think we are going to compete next year are deluding themselves on copium. We are two seasons minimum from competing

[@brianmyers4444]

Grubb first season in NFL….every coach been there at some time…have a little patience….

[@CoryVB133]

We are not two seasons away if we tear it all down and are a bottom 5 team next year.

[@ace448]

@@CoryVB133we only need to tear down half the team. You could possibly fix the offense in two drafts/free season periods. QB is the biggest sticking point as any move is a gamble. However continuing forward the same way we have is just going to be a slow long death. Rather kill it quickly and rebuild. To the other comment Grubb has gotten worse not better this season. I would be more apt to give him another year if he was actually figuring it out. He isn’t, he can come up with plays but not a plan. In the NFL you need a plan, in college plays works.

[@petervangent9060]

Awesome crossover. That O-line theory-crafting was getting me aroused. Trey at right and Booker at left. Holy frickin moly, that would be dope. You lost me with Creed, though. We got Hendrix and Alice and Chains and Pearl Jam. We don't need to be bumping that emo crap.

[@jimcampbell4410]

Sucks for K9 i like him

[@YoungBideo]

Seahawks OL will ruin a RB. Doesn't matter if it's God at RB1

[@RandyCreates]

Geno stays one more year, he will not holdout, or add one year to his contract due to age, maybe trade DK, love him but he is not a 30 mil receiver, has not progressed, sign above avg left guard and draft best players available, we should have been 11-6, maybe even 12-5, with 2nd toughest schedule, we are close

[@petervangent9060]

I like it. I'm thinking sign Trey Smith at right guard with the extra cap money after Dk is gone and maybe make a one-time exception to the best player available and reach for Booker at left guard.

[@jimcampbell4410]

Murphy you dont get guys like him very easily.

[@jettwilliams8342]

A Hasselbeck-tier quarterback is probably better than what we have now with Geno.

[@ryanball2754]

I think Geno is a Hasselbeck tier QB. Hasselbeck threw picks and had the best o-line in the NFL at the time.

[@jettwilliams8342]

@ryanball2754 Good point, can't disregard the fact that we had Jones and Hutchinson. Basically the last time we had a dominant o line

[@user-ye7ro5sg4p]

Respect to both of you but I think the GM John should be fire his run is over

[@NathanDalebout]

Going into week 18 Seahawks have zero wins against teams that have clinched a playoff berth. Denver might make it and that would be only win and possibly the meaningless game vs the lambs. Need to get better to be considered a contender. Home record was bad. Let opposing teams and fans take over their stadium.

[@brianmyers4444]

Do you know how many first year coaches get to nine or ten wins….very few….new staff, schemes, and players….becoming a contender takes time and fans need to be patient….plus just another fan who doesn’t understand how ticket resale and fan bases that travel works….

[@NathanDalebout]

@ I know how it works. I’ve been going to games for years. This was the worst home team I’ve seen in a long time and more opposing fans than in years past. I’m still a fan but this year was an embarrassing show at home.

[@Nabbers]

Still want to win against the lambs

[@CoryVB133]

@@Nabbers I always want to win. Go Hawks!

[@jimcampbell4410]

Trade woolen ,and dk use some of the picks for oline .

[@jsods1]

John loves him some 2nd and 3rd wave of free agency bargains. 🤮

[@LevelSkip]

Geno has no leverage, there’s threw years of tape on him in Seattle. Let some other team pay him, but he’s not getting more than 30 million a year. It’s ridiculous average quarterbacks even get that much in the first place. I hate watching him play every week.

[@johnruiz6743]

Pivots off could put us in the same QB situation as the Jets! No! At least not for the short term! 🤔

[@ace448]

Yeah but keeping Geno could put us in the same spot as well. If Geno falls off and we can’t draft an immediate replacement we are also screwed.

[@user-ye7ro5sg4p]

The Seahawks should recruit Justin Fields - that way, they'd have a quarterback who can actually throw a football, unlike their current crop of signal-callers.

[@brianmyers4444]

Nonsense….Fields can’t hold a candle to Geno as a passer of the football….

[@SeahawksForeverDanViens]

If you think Justin Fields is a better thrower of the football than Geno.... um........

[@user-ye7ro5sg4p]

Trade Woolen he gave up on plays

[@johnruiz6743]

O-line first! LG, C, RT. Then we need a WR to replace Lockett, a bonafide NT, ILB, TE, S. No QB until 2026 draft. 🤔

[@ace448]

This is where I am at. Scratch next season, build that interior line up. This draft does not have a QB where we are at. Selling the farm for a trade is going to leave us bare on the line. Better to hold off a year on QB and get the other pieces

[@RandyCreates]

Centers are fine, Olu and Sundell look more than adequate, QB in 3rd or 4th or 5th is ok too, agree with everything else 👍

[@CoryVB133]

Why would you want to be a bad team instead of a mid team? This is such an asinine remark that I have heard Brandon make multiple times now. We do not want seasons where we win 3 games. That would be miserable and much further from winning our division than we are now. By Brandon’s logic the Jets, Patriots, Raiders, Titans, Jaguars, Giants, Bears, & Panthers are in better situations than the Seahawks…😂

[@TheHawksNest12thman]

I appreciate your perspective on this, Cory. With all due respect, I don't think you're representing what I'm saying accurately. The Seahawks have made many moves over the last many years, year by year, that sacrifice tomorrow for today because they believe they were contenders today, when in actuality they weren't, weren't close. A mistake made many times over. I can't believe I have to say this but they're not trying to build a mid team. They're trying to build a contender, right? That's the point. Do you languish in the mid to never build the great? That's at the heart of the argument I'm trying to make, not whatever you're trying to present above - which is what, that I want my team to bad?

[@CoryVB133]

@@TheHawksNest12thman I agree that sacrificing the future for a mid-level to upper mid-level team has been the wrong move by Schneider. I also believe that the franchise has thought they were closer to being a top six team than they actually were. I can see how those two factors can go hand-in-hand. Thus, I may have been more focused on the semantics of your comment than the point that you were trying to get across. This has been a successful season. However, there may still be a significant amount of ground between us and the top six teams in the NFL. This creates a situation that makes big decisions even more difficult.

[@ace448]

Because you will forever remain a mid team. There are only three ways to get substantially better in the NFL. Draft well, recruit free agents well, and trade well. If you are a mid team you can’t really do any of those things. You can’t draft well, because you can’t replace key positions at key times. At least without vastly overpaying to move up. That means you can’t replace other areas. You can’t recruit free agents well because you have money tied up in under preforming players and thus can’t pay top dollar for top talent. The cap can only be messaged so much. Also those bills do come due (cough forty niners cough). Finally you can trade, but this is really hard as most teams don’t give up good pieces to trade. That or you over pay in draft capital to get a top tier talent. This backfires more than it succeeds. Denver lost with Wilson, Browns with Watson, etc. it really only works if the other team either A. Thinks the player is cooked they aren’t B. Player forces the trade. Even then you are selling your future by and large. If you are bad you have the opportunity to rebuild. Your draft capital is more valuable, meaning you can acquire potentially better players or more players. Ironically being bad for a year or two, in a competent organization, gives you the chance to get good.

[@CoryVB133]

@@ace448 If you look at the past 10 years, in general, bottom 5 teams remain in the bottom half of the NFL. Drafting early does not generally skyrocket a team to being a top 6 team in the NFL. This remains true even if you factor in 4 years of maturation time. Look at the bottom 5 teams over the last 4 years and see where the majority of those teams are this season. Draft order by year 2021 - Jags, Jets, 49ers, Falcons, Bengals, Dolphins 2022- Jags, Lions, Texans, Jets, Giants, Panthers 2023 - Panthers, Texans, Texans, Colts, Seahawks (from Denver), Cardinals 2024 - Bears, Commanders, Patriots, Cardinals, Chargers, Giants The vast majority of these teams are still bad. The Lions are the only really “contender” on the list and the guy they drafted (Hutchinson) isn’t even playing this year. Being a top 15 team is much closer to being a “contender” than being a bottom 5 team. Also, just about all of the top teams this year went through some level of being a mid team in the past 5 years. Thus, it is much easier to move from mid to good than from bad to good. Mid to good occurs much more often than bad to good does.

[@ace448]

You’ll notice I said good organizations. The Jags are not that, nor are the Jets, or Bears. You will notice, the 49ers, Texans, commanders (after getting rid of the previous owner) are all actually contenders over this period. The commanders are competing for their divide with a rookie QB. Good organizations, and if you have faith in Seattle then you believe we are well run. Use down years to build back. That or they go F dem picks like the Rams. Look if you tell me if we trade all our pick over the next three years. Get Joe Burrow, a league average offensive line. I’d do it, that has only worked what once. Again I’d rather be good the. Anything, but Seattle in the mediocre zone without a lot of hope for the future. Honestly I’d rather Hawks Nest make NEW NEW NEW worst game videos then. I guess we are just meh. Being bad gives you a real chance to improve being meh forever locks you into meh.

[@RandyCreates]

Geno stays one more year, he will not holdout, or add one year to his contract due to age, maybe trade DK, love him but he is not a 30 mil receiver, has not progressed, sign above avg left guard and draft best players available, we should have been 11-6, maybe even 12-5, with 2nd toughest schedule, we are close