The Secret Alliance - S4 E12 - Kyle Capener (BB24) opens up about what he calls his "journey"

[@welllookylooky5844]

People who don't watch the feeds don't understand the height of Kyle's rhetoric & microagressions. He called Joseph scum, Monte, Terrance and Taylor loud and aggressive, along with numerous other convos about POC that were unwarranted. With the exception of Terrance those three probably are some of the nicest people this season when it comes to how they would interact with others. He also lied multiple times about numerous things. Kyle is full of it.

[@richardd.3745]

When Kyle says he's sheltered--he really isn't THAT sheltered. He was born abroad (Okinawa, Japan) as well as worked in sales in Australia for 2 years I believe. He was a successful enough salesperson that he was able to have the privilege to just do TikTok. And now there's been a picture of him found on social media where he was at a bar--so let's not extend him THAT excuse.

[@robinvolpi]

Amen. He's very much playing the naive role.

[@coldcut9568]

That part right there.

[@wendyreese5170]

He was sheltered in the way that he never had to confront his bias because he was never in a position to be aware that he had them.

[@richardd.3745]

@@wendyreese5170 he’s almost years old and has been to Mexico, Australia, Japan, Chicago, and I assume so many other places. How much leeway are you giving to a fully grown man who has worked and has access to the internet.

[@wendyreese5170]

@@richardd.3745 there's no age that people stop having implicit bias. He's not overtly racist & probably never realized he had this unconscious bias (like a lot of people of all ages & races are unaware). What matters is what a person does when they become aware. Whatever age any person becomes aware of their wrongs & has a willingness to do better deserves the opportunity to do so. It's not excusing his behavior to recognize his remorse & willingness to learn.

[@itsmecarly3329]

50%+ BIPOC Production representation seems to be the next step needed. I think if someone of color, on the editing floor, was able to put their input in, the post info drop - would have been focused on how it effected the black players in the game and not how it hurt Kyle’s heart to be called out.

[@GeorgeEugeneBarrett]

Blacks are 13% of the population. What you describe isn’t representation, it’s over-representation.

[@terylmcalaster3443]

I agree on and off camera needs to be 50+BIPOC

[@RicardoGarcia-uw6cr]

How about just eliminate white people altogether? Seems to be what the “woke” crowed want

[@nailmarks2483]

Is Kyle young, or is he an adult? His brain is fully formed. Jasmine and Kyle are the same age. Did anyone give her the naive edit? Because she couldn't lay in bed without big bashed.

[@stephaniesqueaky7905]

I didn't even like Jasmine and I agree with you!

[@coldcut9568]

Can't stand jasmine 😒 but your correct

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

Kyle did nothing wrong. Suspecting a cookout 2.0 was a reasonably hypothesis. Nothing racist about gathering the rest of the players to attempt a counter alliance. He was well within his rights to do so.

[@Alwaysturntup]

@@AndrewSmith-pn2qc but why would he insinuate a yt alliance… cookout was made for one reason because BB has issues with POC never winning yt people do not need an all yt alliance to win anything it’s called privileged. As you see Allyssa has made it to the final 5 without doing nothing , no wins, no real game play she hasn’t did anything they couldn’t even make a BB comic book about her because she didn’t bring anything to the season. She’s a yt girl she didn’t have to do anything

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@@Alwaysturntup The cookout was racist because had a white player like Claire won the game, the cookouts mission would have been a failure. Alyssa making it to the end just because she is white is far fetched in my opinion.

[@Rayyzer]

Kyle uses the "im sheltered" excuse as a pass for this racism. he is very aware of whats right and wrong.

[@encirclestudio]

Exactly. It's terrible the gullibility of people. Don't believe Kyle. He's just telling everyone what they want to hear to avoid further windfall.

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@@encirclestudio Kyle did nothing wrong. Suspecting a cookout 2.0 was a reasonably hypothesis. Nothing racist about gathering the rest of the players to attempt a counter alliance. He was well within his rights to do so.

[@barr4ckObama240]

Kyle didn’t do anything

[@konway17]

@@AndrewSmith-pn2qc it wasn’t though because there was no literal proof that there was a CO 2.0, he also had several micro aggressions

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@K J well there would never be proof of a CO 2.0 since of course, that alliance would be working very hard to keep it a secret.

[@andwhataboutitttt]

Hannah ALWAYS says the perfect thing ugh we need her back on BB

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

No we don't. I do not like racist people like her.

[@andwhataboutitttt]

@@AndrewSmith-pn2qc boy bye you don't even know what you're talking about

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@@andwhataboutitttt Hannah was part of the cookout who's mission was to make sure the winner of season 23 was a black player. Can you explain how that is not racism?

[@andwhataboutitttt]

@@AndrewSmith-pn2qc as she has stated in multiple videos, the cookout‘s sole mission was to create a unity that protected people of color who have continuously been targeted and ostracized in the game of big brother... if you can’t see that went past the game, than that just calls out your shitty ass morals 😂

[@GoLongAmerica]

​@@AndrewSmith-pn2qc The reason it's not racist is because each of the members of the cookout alliance sacrificed their own individual games in order to get all 6 members to the final 6.

[@rickki1997]

He lied his been to a bar and lived in a different country he is not sheltered

[@princessprincess0039]

Yeah I saw them photos

[@edbrewer5123]

Agreed. You can't play the kind of top tier game he was playing and be sheltered/naïve at the same time. It doesn't work like that.

[@richardd.3745]

And he worked in software sales! Come on he's not that sheltered.

[@encirclestudio]

Agree. Kyle is a very good liar. I think he enjoys fooling people. He's not going to change. He uses the kindness of people to play them.

[@Alwaysturntup]

Hannah I agree with you. POC always have to be the ones to educate. Kyle has been to multiple countries he should be well versed in humans. People should do their own research

[@bliss448]

Yeah, but the only reason production revealed the reasons behind Kyle's eviction is that they were forced to. It was the talk of the town bc Michael and Brittney exposed him. Production was not and is still very unhappy about it which is evident by the edit they are giving M & B for "their timing". Yes, the timing was unfortunate but to harp on this when we have Kyle who was being racist for weeks, something the editors also sat on, is suspect to me at best. And like you guys pointed out, the revelation centered around Kyle being the poor guy who is simply uneducated whereas the poc had to carry the burden of being very understanding about it. And meanwhile M & B got villified for doing the right thing, albeit very late but imo better late than never. Production seems very upset with the fact that they lost their golden boy, a racist. What are we to make of that?

[@terriclark1754]

The reason production exposed Kyle is because #KKKyle and #stopprotectingkyle had been trending on Twitter for a couple weeks & the story was being picked up by publications like TV Guide. The noise was so loud they had to include it in the show edit. Yet, you’re right that they def gave him a very gracious, kumbaya, edit, while painting M/B more villainous. IMO - he deserved more heat, though I appreciate the grace Taylor, Terrance, and Monte showed when they didn’t need to. The feeds were down for HOURS that day so I’ll be interested to hear if more comes out post-show since they were very obviously protecting Kyle.

[@frostbyte9878]

"Alyssa had the hardest emotional experience"? That's laughable

[@deborahdohman3770]

The cookout changed the way houseguest are going to look at and play the game.

[@ChannelleLVMusic]

Yeah, I just have to say... 29 years of life and he didn't know how to act? IDK about this sheltered angle he's spitting. He CHOSE to be sheltered, he knows ABOUT racism, he could have done his own research years ago and if I'm being completely frank... I knew not to act like that when when I was incredibly young, I'm talking single digits. I also lived in an all white, french town... I chose to watch and listen through the internet and TV. Isn't Kyle always on the Internet? He can use Google. Lol!

[@Wraiven22]

Love these conversations, especially Hannah's perspective here. I'm down to give Kyle the chance to grow if he puts in the effort, but that's also not fully up to me. That's up to the PoC in the house and the PoC viewers outside of it to accept or not.

[@kelly9876]

totally agree with Hannah about the edit - so many people support Kyle because they thought he only once brought up the idea of a cookout 2, and that he is getting a bad deal. Kyle did more than suggest an idea. And the show never really focused on how that "idea" is wrong. I feel like most TV watchers support/ feel for Kyle, and do not see a flaw in his actions. (And Monte had such a clear and moving way of describing the situation, it is a shame that clip was not shown)

[@Wraiven22]

@@kelly9876 oh 100%. The show really made it seem like it was way less of a big deal than it was, then they spent the majority of the time to do the “boo boo poor Kyle” spin instead of using that time to show how it’s affecting the PoC. I also really didn’t like how the editing made it look like what Michael and Britney did was even worse than what Kyle did. Are they innocent? No. Is what they did anywhere near the level of what Kyle did? Also no. We have to remember that they are competing for a life changing sum of money, we might not all stand up right away like we think we would in that scenario if it meant throwing away the chance at that money.

[@paulkumar1042]

I'm a POC, and someone who wouldn't have been invited into the cookout last season, simply because I'm not the right color... If anyone wants to blame someone for Kyle being wary of a POC alliance, blame the COOKOUT. They instituted a strategy that made them the most successful and longest-lasting alliance in BB history. As soon as a strategy is implemented, and wins, someone assuming that strategy could be used again, and to be prepared to buffer against it can't be blamed for thinking its a possibility. At no point did Kyle talk to each of the white people in the house and start maneuvering to create an all-white alliance, he simply stated a wariness of that type of alliance happening again, and that he wanted to be ready if it came to that. Especially when Taylor refused to put up Jasmine... That's a red flag, straight up. Take your microaggressions and shove them somewhere uncomfortable, people are allowed to have any opinion they want in this world. I'll also point out that if Hannah's mom wasn't black, she wouldn't have been invited to the cookout either, just like Alyssa, just like DX. Kyle didn't do anything wrong, and the fact that no one of color is willing to stand up for this complete lack of racism is infuriating, and heartbreaking. This is a game where you sit in a house for months and all you do is talk and strategize. Strategizing for every scenario is, LITERALLY, the game. Strategizing (again, without implementation) against the possibility of the strategy that won the game LAST SEASON isn't racist, its Big Brother. Now, lets pretend Kyle played last season, and he had this same assumption that all the black(ish) people were in an alliance, would that have been racist? No, simply because it would have been true. All you people should get off your high horse, you're going to fall and hurt yourself, and the anti-racism movement. Lets all spend our time hating real racists, and not people just playing the game the way it should be played: strategically. Stop ruining this kid's life.

[@gingersnap9712]

🎉 bravo

[@Salutations26]

Kyle’s growth is going to be stymied by the reinforcement of his biases by his intimate friend group and family.

[@wendyreese5170]

You're making an assumption

[@Salutations26]

@@wendyreese5170 okay. I am pretty comfortable with that assumption.

[@encirclestudio]

100% AGREE! You are spot on. His friends/family will bring him back to his racist bias.

[@edbrewer5123]

That's why "educate yourself" is hard for me to grasp. Do you mean you're leaving it up to me, someone that clearly needs to be educated, to do it myself? I wouldn't know where to start. Schools and businesses are introducing CRT to educate students and employees. They are definitely not telling folks to "educate themselves" and "you got the internet, figure it out" or "there is no excuse, you're 30". If it is up to everyone to educate themselves, then does CRT need to be in schools and hired by businesses?

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

Kyle did nothing wrong. Suspecting a cookout 2.0 was a reasonably hypothesis. Nothing racist about gathering the rest of the players to attempt a counter alliance. He was well within his rights to do so.

[@cj221983]

I don't get how you people are defending him on his racism when HE ADMITTED IT

[@monsterbro221]

He was bullied into admitting he's something that he's not.

[@amkale30]

well he apologized and he looked like he genuinely felt bad and was open to learning and growing from this experience, no one's defending what he said but we can forgive him and not bash him when he already apologized

[@nailmarks2483]

Because birds of a feather flock together

[@GeorgeEugeneBarrett]

He’s not racist. That would be The Cookout.

[@larrybrown3910]

Not really. He's scared and being defensive.

[@lisadavis7543]

I feel like Hannah wouldn’t have been satisfied no matter what Kyle would have done. Yes, he was wrong. If he wouldn’t have talked to the POC in the house that would have been wrong too. He had NO resources in the house. He had to talk to those people to see how his actions affected them. He had to see those raw emotions from them. He needed to see that, otherwise he never would have seen how those words hurt his friends.

[@belledafrique861]

He had to be racist and hurt his black housemates to understand that racism is wrong?? Do y’all ever hear yourselves speak???? So his racism is the black housemates responsibility

[@MuzzikLvr]

Same scripted answers he gave in every other interview, and once again dodging the Joseph question.

[@Dudleythompson26]

I love Hannah and Jason.

[@skecherskid425]

so are people going to give kyle a chance at becoming a better person or are they gonna keep saying he needs to become a better person but not actually give him time for that and instead keep bashing him and calling him a racist?

[@davidmckenzie6505]

Because they woke.

[@edithmitchell7867]

ALYSSA WOULD OF LATCHED ON TO ANY GUY HER 2 REASON WAS TO GET INTO A SHOWMANC AND GO ON AMAZING RACE ALYSSA SAID SHOWMANC GO ON AMAZING RACE

[@wendyreese5170]

Not sure how Hannah expected him to do anything but go to the houseguests while in the house. He didn't expect anything from them. He asks them. They offered help. Taylor told him not everyone will be open to share their experiences. Defensiveness is a normal reaction when first being confronted with something hard. What matters is what comes after that.

[@edithmitchell7867]

LET NOT FORGOT TAYLOR 💔💔KYLE SEEN HOW POC TREATED TAYLOR ALSO MONTE TERRANCE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE TO HELP KYLE THE WAY THE THEY TREATED TAYLOR TEAN TAYLOR ❤️

[@timothywright3982]

With 750K on the line Kyle would have been stupid to put her first and he technically did put her first towards the end. Personally I think he should have let his alliance take Alyssa out when they had the opportunity

[@bliss448]

Well, since production lost Kyle they are now giving Turner the funny goofy edit. Taylor was near invisible in the last edit. I don't think production wants her to win. Monte is getting a good edit bc he's with Turner and against M & B who are hated.

[@verneciaw6127]

My ❤️ hurts! People have got to see all of each other. Until then, the exterior will always be subject to biases.

[@billydmac10]

Why is Rachel and Jason's name plastered on the screen, but not hannahs????

[@billydmac10]

And Hannah is THE value Add. She needs to be head of HR somewhere someday.

[@BrizzzoStizzzo]

I don’t know if you guys watch the feeds a lot but the praise for Alyssa having standards goes out the door because 2hrs later they boinked 2 more times and she was back up under him 24/7

[@shanicegrande8631]

Thankyou Hannah👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@samhigdon979]

Can u guys consider Covering BBCAN 11

[@banditssbu803]

Hey! Love all 3 of you guys but curious about what happened to Danielle? Did she quit the podcast last year?

[@Taylors_Tunes]

hannah is just the best

[@davidmckenzie6505]

The ones that are behind the cameras is the most deceptive, hypocritical folks out there! They are the ones calling the shots.

[@edithmitchell7867]

HI TEAM TAYLOR HERE ❤️ WHY DOES TERRANCE DISLIKE TAYLOR

[@mgm8075]

To be honest, Kyle was one of the most fun players to watch and really brought an old school BB gameplay. He turned on every alliance and was easily setting himself up to run the house. Sadly he made a mistake that cost him in and outside of the house. He'll bounce back and learn, but had he not made that mistake, he'd likely be the winner of the season.

[@blind-sidelocc6052]

What he do??? Besides have 10sec sex 🤔

[@brentthompson1607]

Ya... just that he is a racist and his game play affected poc for simply being poc 😄

[@cimarrona353]

He did not make a mistake, he is racist.

[@Solodidthat]

"an old school BB gameplay" you mean back when BB players were racist to your face and not behind your back?....

[@Grace-fu1yc]

Yup he played one of the best games I’ve seen in a while. Michael was jealous of his gameplay & used black plight to win $750k. He & Britt can keep denying, we have proof of Michael saying “I will burn Kyle’s game to the ground”. He was supposedly against the white alliance but is the first white player to have multiple poc go in his hoh, even making fun of them on their way out. Mike & Britt are there true racists.

[@frederickseltzerjr2170]

Just my own personal observation ... when the house was split and with Kyle actually starting to put Alyssa before his alliance, he feared with Turner and Joseph (2 members of the leftovers), his mind (again my own observation) derailed as the thought of losing Alyssa started to fester and thinking he could stay two steps ahead, that he was not looking at the complete picture, but what was going on in the moment. But what it also showed was those biases that he did have in the back of his mind that started to manifest itself and when you are fearful, studies do show that you can start to exhibit destructive behaviors. I'll bring up someone in history that had a awful history BUT did turned his life around for the rest of his life. Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV). As a young man in the 1940s, Byrd was an active member of the KKK. After being elected to congress and realizing that he didn't have those beliefs, spent the rest of his life, until his death on June 28th, 2010, enacted laws that protected people of color, LGBTQ+ (though he voted for DADT & initially just to limit gay marriage). It goes to show that any one of us is capable of admitting to our mistakes and what I want to see with Kyle is the same thing. Right now, he is SAYING all the right things, what I want to see once BB24 is over, does Kyle's action match his words.

[@amberla92]

I love the quotations around the word Jorney

[@ejcrews5508]

I ain't buying it, does he want us to feel bad, and think he's a hero who was misunderstood??? I can't even call Kyle a man, he's a boy

[@miseriabelle6843]

He apologised, how is that acting like a hero?

[@hotshotbooboo]

Exactly. Also I don’t have to accept his apology as a non-yt person. It’s good that he did but I’m not giving him no pat on the back till I see real progress & that will only happen after the show & with time.

[@ejcrews5508]

Daniel is still posting stuff like boi your 5 weeks of fame is over

[@carle3990]

Rachael goes off subject too much, obviously wants Taylor out of house and constantly talks about Kyle & Alyssa shomance and herself and Brandon

[@kevina791]

What Kyle did was racist and wrong but the cookout itself was also racist. We cant end racism by reversing it! we must treat everyone the same no matter what if you want everyone to be equal.

[@Kezzmit]

If you thought the cookout was racist, then you don’t understand racism. Season 15 would be excellent example of BB racism. Members of the cookout weren’t bigoted, they weren’t mean spirited…all they did was support one another.

[@edithmitchell7867]

SORRY BUT THE DR ROOM WANT TERRANCE TO KEEP JOSEPH BECAUSE KYLES RACIST COMMENTS WAS COMING UP & OUT TERRANCE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT

[@deljs6]

Ummm yea they do do know there's a DE LOL they are about 80% sure there's a DE

[@kandeekane1]

Sorry Jason but for Alyssa to 'dump' Kyle for not putting her first and lying to her all season is complete bs. They are playing big brother. How do you know that in the real world he isn't the best boyfriend in the world? EVERYBODY who has played big brother has said the same thing. They are playing the game for x amount of money. No one owes anybody anything. These people are not your family these people are not your friends. Some people may end up becoming friends after. Jason and Danielle. Some people may become family afterwards. Rachel and Brendan. But for the majority of people they are there for themselves and their families. Alyssa proved every single day that she could not be trusted to keep information to herself. She ratted out every conversation and every plan that her alliances were making. So basically he should be able to say that in the real world she's a bad girlfriend cuz she can't keep private or personal information to herself. Kyle went in there to play big brother. It was obvious that Alyssa went in there hoping to find a boyfriend. She has no strategy. She has no allegiance to anyone. She has won nothing. She has floated along the entire time. She is going to be drug along to the end and take up a final 2 spot that she absolutely does not deserve. But it happens every season. No one knows how Kyle or Alyssa are in the real world. Maybe they will end up together. Maybe they won't. But you can't base their potential to be a good boyfriend or girlfriend by their actions in the house.

[@teamo4105]

Yeah, yall need a live feed correspondent cause you miss so much. Alyssa is not going after Taylor, she's going after Brittany

[@brantjustbrant3516]

There is no rule against being mindful of potential alliances. Last year the cookout made race the issue - not Kyle.

[@gavincallaway4945]

As a person of color, I understand a little bit of where Kyle came from, he definitely didn’t speak on the matter in the correct way, but at the end of the day, they are all trying to win the game, him not being a part of that side of the house he wanted to win, but just like anyone outside of any alliance, you’re trying to find who’s working together and take out the other side of the house. Now the way he did it was discrimination and uncalled for. And as for him going to T, M, and Tay, I feel like that all he could do while he was still in the house was go to them and hear their stories directly.

[@nilanjl]

He was in an alliance with them. He wasn't outside of any alliance. He was in every extant alliance in the house.

[@jeffwallace5447]

I used to be such a bb fan! I’m disappointed in last few seasons and really wouldn’t care if bb gets cancelled. It’s no longer fun to watch and survivor is also just as ruined. Simply, no longer entertaining.

[@Ali-ru9vx]

Well it’s fun to watch for us so

[@jeffwallace5447]

@@Ali-ru9vx I know, I just wish societal issues could remain out of the game

[@gigic6654]

@@jeffwallace5447 how?? When the housemates bring these issues in the house????

[@jeffwallace5447]

@@gigic6654 need waaaaaay better screening then by Production… It’s ridiculous racism is an issue at all…and it wasn’t even in early years of BB!

[@LalaThe17]

God forbid somebody consider the fact there could be an alliance. Waaaaaayyy overblown. The dudes obviously not a racist so give it a rest.

[@RealJWhitty]

Can not wait to see Terrance and Michael!!!! Just can NOT wait!

[@aaleeyahhh97]

rachel you clearly haven't been keeping up with feeds..

[@katherinevanhorn217]

I don’t really understand the ‘sheltered’ thing he says. He has a platform on tiktok… the platform KNOWN for being sensitive and cancelling people. you have to watch everything you say on that app and he KNEW that going on! he was paranoid of this exact same thing happening. if he’s had a platform, he should be more socially aware and if he isn’t that’s on him with the type of social climate we’re in right now

[@tammytroche2344]

Freaking love Hannah!!

[@mamashabana1732]

Can't wait for Hannah & Tiffany to start own channel. We (/I) need both of y'all together. Thanks Hannah for clocking Kyle a 29Y/O man. Stop babying him ppl!

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

Kyle did nothing wrong. Suspecting a cookout 2.0 was a reasonably hypothesis. Nothing racist about gathering the rest of the players to attempt a counter alliance. He was well within his rights to do so.

[@magizatanna3302]

he was within his rights, and the others were within theirs to feel he was racist and evicted him unanimously.

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@@magizatanna3302 Yes in Big Brother you can vote against whoever you want for whatever reason you want. The fact that players think he is racist does not make him one. Kyle did nothing wrong. It is clear that production told the players to "be mad" at Kyle because he is a "white supremacist".

[@magizatanna3302]

@@AndrewSmith-pn2qc the players were literally saying he’s NOT racist, lmao taylor has been saying during every interview that she loves him and he’s a good friend. if anything production told him that viewers didn’t like his all-white alliance pitch and that’s why he whined to the camera lmao

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@@magizatanna3302 Kyle never made an all-white alliance pitch. His pitch was to gather the remaining players that were not a part of his suspecting cookout 2.0 alliance. Nothing wrong with that.

[@magizatanna3302]

@@AndrewSmith-pn2qc he did pitch exactly that, because they literally told him it was all white and he said “ok then just add terrance” lmao

[@CapitolVisions]

Chadda for All Stars please.

[@jansy6002]

Big fan of Kyle. Super entertaining and good game player. Hope he learns from his mistakes and I wish the community was a little bit more about progress and not bashing houseguests relentlessly.

[@nafafonafafofo]

I agree. Kyle acknowledges what he did wrong and seems like he fully is willing to put in the effort to be better. but the hatred towards him from the fanbase is on a different level. His fellow houseguests were able to give him grace and I wish the fans could as well.

[@killer_munch]

I believe Kyle can grow but he doesn’t deserve grace imo. He has social media as a career and knows exactly what cancer culture is. I don’t think he should get canceled from this but he was prepared to that’s why he’s playing up the “sheltered” card as much as he is. He’s also been seen in a bar so we’ll see how far these lies go, hopefully not as far as Paloma.

[@cimarrona353]

Why are black people always expected to grace?

[@pinklemon-m5v]

“Instead of people being fearful of the cookout, they should embrace it....and become more progressive like the world” I thought this was a game? As a fan i wouldn’t mind seeing a cookout 2.0 in the future, but not under Hannah’s conditions.

[@gk10101]

if its a game, then its ok to game out every scenario....including gender alliances....any potential "threat" to winning the game. no its not a game. its a tv show.

[@pinklemon-m5v]

@@gk10101 I'm not sure if we're agreeing or not. I think it's perfectly fine to game out any alliances based on gender, race, or whatever else. Kyle is not my favorite HG by far, but I do hate seeing people get bullied.

[@davidmckenzie6505]

@@pinklemon-m5v People like you have a problem! There's is no gray area.

[@alliebarton3328]

Wasn’t Sarah Beth bullied? Ik hannah went through her stuff when she won hoh

[@toyaliens]

no

[@cowoljarwoff]

We just gonna not mention how Taylor wouldn't nominate someone WAY outside the alliance, purely because of race? Why are you all booing Kyle? he was right! There was racially motivated gameplay happening. Just not at the extent that he implied.

[@toyaliens]

Because black women are historically pitted against each other. If she had no other options she woulda nominated Jas

[@ChillyMilly908]

Taylor said she had no problem voting Jasmine out or using the veto to get Jasmine out. She just didn't want to be the one to nominate her..

[@DLeuther14]

Kyle did NOTHING wrong. These are the CONSEQUENCES of the cookout. Not the fault of Kyle. His paranoia is absolutely justified

[@TheGoldenAge7]

He’s evicted all that matters

[@eddiewashington9035]

David Leuther, of course you believe he did nothing wrong. People like yourself will never understand why the cookout was formed.

[@gk10101]

@@eddiewashington9035 to win a game called big brother?

[@andym.3711]

Nothing? Really? Yeah people like you are literally the problem

[@TheChristianGomez1]

By your logic future houseguests should be wary of more all white alliances as well then, wouldn’t they be justified as well in their paranoia? The fault comes with assuming and acting on these paranoias based on literally just skin color and no other factors

[@GeorgeEugeneBarrett]

Kyle did nothing wrong. He’s been gaslit into apologizing. The Cookout was the height of racism and hypocrisy in Big Brother. There was even heavy debate within The Cookout if Hannah was “black enough” to include in the alliance and was definitely treated as an add-on.

[@blind-sidelocc6052]

Huh?!?

[@ozzy513691]

The only reason why Hannah was included was because Tiffany accidentally spilled the beans about the cookout in front of her but I remember they originally said she wasn't black enough to be included.

[@coldcut9568]

Wrong! Kyle absolutely 💯 percent did something wrong full stop. Michael and Britneys actions were disgusting as well no question. If the cook out was racism and hypocrisy what the hell was all the years prior when there were all white alliances. 🙄 just say I'm mad they are on to us! but don't play dumb, that was the first time there was even enough people of color to even allow an alliance; Just take that alone in. What they did was smart the way they did it was brilliant and after years of bs-ing players of color ain't nobody crying but the angry hypocrit mob.

[@AndrewSmith-pn2qc]

@@coldcut9568 1) There was never an alliance formed on race in big brother history ever before the cookout. There had been alliances formed for other reasons which happened to contain all white individuals - nothing wrong with that. 2) It does not matter how much racism happened in the past. No action of racism is ever acceptable - even if done out of retaliation; racism is NEVER an ok thing to do. If a white man in New York murders a black man it does not give the right for a black man in New York to go murder some random white man out of revenge to achieve some sort of "balance".

[@jcitycartel]

Where’s Danielle?! I cant listen to Hannah nomore. This preaching is annoying. And Rachel is talking complete nonsense with Alyssa and Kyle.

[@michaelrichardi6047]

I'm curious cause I haven't seen it talked bout...but what if kyle was right and they were a secret 5 cause of their causes...would he still be called racist cause he is white or is it now gameplay. I just wonder.

[@richardd.3745]

How would Kyle be right? Terrence and Jasmine actively hated Taylor and worked with her enemies. Taylor has voted against other poc? Make it make sense.

[@michaelrichardi6047]

@@richardd.3745 omg can people read. I said what if they were secretly working and he was right. Duh they weren't lol people play the game and pretend to ve against each other. Wouldn't be insane.

[@larrybrown3910]

Kyle did nothing wrong and I feel bad for him. The CO started this racial thing. Kyle was just over thinking and thought there might be a CO2. Don't get me wrong there was nothing wrong with the 6 CO members bonding and forming an alliance and even their strategy was excellent. The problem with the CO is they said their purpose was to have a black person win BB. I am glad a black person won but not that way. Imagine what would have been the response if 6 while HG's said their purpose was to ensure a white person won. Example: This season Taylor said she won't put up a black woman. She got no negative feedback. Imagine if Alyssa said she won't put up a white woman. Her life would be ruined. The other relevant factor is starting with BB23 the show had become much more diverse. Which means it was very likely there would have been a black winner soon. Therefore, there was no reason for the CO if there ever was. The CO HG's should have realized this and not brought an alliance solely based on race into the game. Thanks to the CO BBUS has changed and not for the better. Racism from any race is wrong and it just breeds more racism. As a result of all of this BBUS is not very watchable anymore. At the risk of being politically incorrect I will say that the CO a great alliance but was also racist. Again, is only they could have recognized the new diverse cast format was for the benefit of minorities and not abused the new format it by forming an alliance based on race at the first opportunity.

[@ArtemisBianco]

You have a lot to learn about racism if you think a group of black people wanting to see a black winner after 23 seasons is racism. The CO did not start the ‘racial thing.’ Big Brother did by not offering a diverse group people for their ‘social experiment.’ With predominantly white cast, POC likelihoods of winning were significantly less than their white counterparts. Add a prejudice environment facilitated by production on seasons like 15 and 21 and 15 out of 23 seasons consisting of white only alliances, some of which picked off POC players, you have a show where POC players are not given an equal playing ground. I’ve even heard many POC, specifically black people, say they would not go on Big Brother because they thought the show was inherently racist which would be a valid assumption.

[@ArtemisBianco]

Your example of Alyssa and Taylor isn’t a valid comparison because the socialization of both in not only the game but in the real world is not the same. White people have the luxary of not living in a society where they aren’t criminalized and shoehorned for the race the way the POC, specifically, black and indigenous people, are. We are always acutely aware of our race. Subconsciously, you know that is the truth just as Alyssa does and why she would never say, ‘I don’t want to put up another white woman.’ And, even if she did, she was phrase it as ‘I don’t want to put up another woman.’

[@ArtemisBianco]

Ignorance, such as what you’re expressing, breeds racism. You’re sentiments would hold true if we existed in a world that is truly equal but it’s not and neither is the world of Big Brother. Members of the CO sacrificed their own personal games and moves that would have been in their better interests to secure the first black winner and for all future black players to not feel as though they had to play with that weight on their shoulders. They also inspired future black players to go on the show such as Taylor and Terrance who both stated they would not have gone on the show without seeing the success of the cookout. I’d suggest looking into why black people openly talk about their experience being black in America and sticking together in a United cause bothers you so much and maybe you’ll find the real racial biases you hold within

[@ArtemisBianco]

Also, you basically implying the POC should just be grateful to be included is literally prejudice as them working together is not them ‘abusing the system.’ And it’s funny how you claim the CO ruined BBUS and not the blatant racism/homophobia/misogyny that has run rampant on this show for years, meanwhile, this same bigotry is not tolerated in majority of other iterations of the show

[@amberla92]

Then stop watching, good riddance. Funny how you say racism from any race is wrong yet you think the CO ruined big brother and not all the racist actions from prior seasons. That's very telling.

[@Dudleythompson26]

Rachel’s nose is so distracting.

[@AlexRodriguez-ss6on]

What did leaving this comment do for you? What do you think it added to this community?

[@Dudleythompson26]

@@AlexRodriguez-ss6on 🤣😂🤣😂

[@AlexRodriguez-ss6on]

@@Dudleythompson26 You’re the only one laughing.

[@Dudleythompson26]

@@AlexRodriguez-ss6on oh I’m so devastated that I’ve upset you. 😢😢😢😢 it’s so un- Rachel like behavior. 😢😢😢😢

[@curtispatel_]

ugh she said “winner that looked like me”. HANNAH CHADYA - you’re INDIAN not BLACK. not understanding the major difference is what is confusing and can cause conflict. “winner that looked like me” would be an INDIAN nationality gurlllllll 👸

[@christian543218]

She is literally both. What are you on about?

[@curtispatel_]

@@christian543218 oh. well she needs to do something to differentiate herself?

[@christian543218]

@@curtispatel_ why? A black winner or an Indian winner would probably feel great to her because she can identify with both. She doesn’t have to separate herself from one side.

[@curtispatel_]

@@christian543218 “identify as both”

[@curtispatel_]

i’m like legit 50/50 on each side between “European” white and Asian “Indian”. If I won, i’d identify as myself

[@Jay_R_]

Also, I'm predicting it now-- the F2 will be Taylor and Michael, with Michael winning this season and Taylor winning AFP...

[@ASisBest]

you must not be as psychic as you thought

[@NyleveEiramLofasm]

Micheal Got Eliminated tho. Sooo mines is Monty and Taylor.

[@saramatthews7159]

Well that prediction is way off now unfortunately Michael is gone and it looks like Taylor is on her way out Thursday sadly.

[@angiedonesrivera358]

@@saramatthews7159 looks like you were wrong 😂 TAYLOR QUEEN👏🏼