The Secret Book of John | Michael Waldstein | Lecture 1: Historical Gnosticism (Excerpt)

[@cedric9839]

The catholic church doesn't want you to realize, you don't need a church. The kingdom of heaven is within you.

[@nightdog95]

In the gospel of Thomas in the last part of it that he spoke about, were Peter said send away marry she doesn't have the right to eternal life and Jesus answered about the women being male!, or becoming male, he wasn't talking about the women really becoming a male. He was talking about the women having the same rights as men to preach in church, to teach, to be prophets, to minister, after his resurrection in the new covenant just like men did in the old testament. Were it was only a man thing. It would be opened to women to under the new covenant. Back then women had no right in church. They were in the back of the church and basically had to shut up. The man was the one that did the teaching, preaching, prophecy, and stuff. The Gospel of Thomas was a gospel that did exist in Christian time in the Church until in was lost. And was a gospel written be Thomas and went deeper into biblical teaching. Were as the gospel of John gos deep into the teachings of Mathew, Mark, and Luke, Thomas gos deep into the teaching of John. The gnostic took some of the good books written at that time and put them in with the books they were writing.

[@jvonfranco]

nightdog95 yessssss! But these idiots do not understand the word or the power of god!

[@daniellemarie1299]

Very well said

[@justinaacuriouswanderer1496]

Saying 22 in the Gospel of Thomas states that the least is like the greatest and that the outside should be like the inside and when you make male and female into a single one (unity instead of division or gender roles), so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, then you would enter the kingdom. In other words, love unifies, but hatred scatters and whoever has love will enter the kingdom because love never fails. This angered people full of hatred, like Origen and church fathers like him, who said: “Men should not sit and listen to a woman . . . even if she says admirable things, or even saintly things, that is of little consequence, since it came from the mouth of a woman.” Fragments on 1 Corinthians And that was almost the sole reason they rejected the Gospel of Thomas. Because they viewed women as domesticated animals unworthy of life. But if Mary Magdalene were to become male, then according to saying 22 which surely Jesus didn't forget, men were to become female as well (which to me means try to take the place of and empathize with women, and the opposite should be true), but this would render gender completely meaningless, nothing but a divider, a corpse that arose because of our fallen state, but if we were resorted to our original image, we'll mutually see each other as full humans worthy of love, and gender would be nothing but a physical attribute, and only the soul would remain. Here's the full (and very interesting) commentary on the connection between saying 22 and Mary "becoming male" (saying 114); williamgduffy.com/making-sense-of-logion-114-in-the-gospel-of-thomas/

[@justinaacuriouswanderer1496]

Saying 22 in the Gospel of Thomas states that the least is like the greatest and that the outside should be like the inside and when you make male and female into a single one (unity instead of division or gender roles), so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, then you would enter the kingdom. In other words, love unifies, but hatred scatters and whoever has love will enter the kingdom because love never fails. This angered people full of hatred, like Origen, who said: “Men should not sit and listen to a woman . . . even if she says admirable things, or even saintly things, that is of little consequence, since it came from the mouth of a woman.” Fragments on 1 Corinthians And that was almost the sole reason they rejected the Gospel of Thomas. Because they viewed women as domesticated animals unworthy of life. But if Mary Magdalene were to become male, then according to saying 22 which surely Jesus didn't forget, men were to become female as well (which to me means try to take the place of and empathize with women, and the opposite should be true), but this would render gender completely meaningless, nothing but a divider, a corpse that arose because of our fallen state, but if we were resorted to our original image, we'll mutually see each other as full humans worthy of love, and gender would be nothing but a physical attribute, and only the soul would remain. Here's the full (and very interesting) commentary on the connection between saying 22 and Mary "becoming male" (saying 114); williamgduffy.com/making-sense-of-logion-114-in-the-gospel-of-thomas/

[@mannyminds5262]

He said “ the Gnostics where inteligent and spiritual” So dont see this as a fairy tale whith real people. Its more about the true mesning behind this. Adam was the first. Pure divine, now you sperate him to seperate more the divine mind and create a woman Eve. Making her male meant making her be like the divine mind of adam, pure consciousness. Not making her be a man. But be divine as The first !

[@honestnewsnetworkbackupcha604]

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 KJVS And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[@tamaran1979]

This is just straight garbage and he knows it!! I will challenge him any day...