The Secret to Vasyl Lomachenko's Trapping that Everyone Misses! - Deep Analysis

[@RAPEDBYBLACKS]

This is something I learned from older friends when we were kids fighting and sparring. My friends would always slap my hands down or hold one and strike with the other etc. All the guard manipulations I started doing when I got older was just a natural progression from this. I never tried ‘trapping’ defensively and always understood this as a way to clear hands and guards and create a way for the big punch.

[@inside_fighting]

This is how I see it too

[@FightCommentary]

Love this video!

[@inside_fighting]

Thank you 🙏🏼

[@ernestocarrillo7]

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[@sasoriko]

Loma is a master. The way I see it is that he traps the head because boxers are leading with the head and hiding their hands. If they were leading with their hands he would frame off the hands. I've seen him do this. What's most important is that he's angling and attacking the center mass with his center mass to control them. That manifests as a clinch when they lead with their head but other times he'll make contact with their guard, trap and stike like earlier in your video or pivot offline and get behind them. All of this is masterful fighting.

[@dx5soundlabs939]

Great point about moving forward and trapping offensively. Thats the master key! You have to attack with traps, not defend in a reactionary state. It's less about catching punches and more about attacking the opponents hands in their guard or right as they go to initiate a punch

[@inside_fighting]

Glad you agree :)

[@dx5soundlabs939]

@inside_fighting it's refreshing to see someone talking about this subject in this way...I appreciate the content... in hapkido we used to call it jamming, but it's really the one aspect of martial arts the modern community is behind the curve with

[@dx5soundlabs939]

Also i love that you showed an old school boxing reference. I made a comment on one of your other videos about how often trapping we used in boxing back in the day, awesome to see you dive into that history!

[@inside_fighting]

I have a weird fondness for these old boxing fights.

[@grantoaklands4724]

Excellent breakdown of this underrated and misinterpreted high level skill. Thank you

[@inside_fighting]

@@grantoaklands4724 glad you enjoyed

[@amospizzey1]

This is brilliant It took me 30 plus years cross training MA to see everything works and everything is connected Thank you

[@inside_fighting]

@@amospizzey1 glad you enjoyed 🙏🏼 thanks for watching

[@RollinBoy]

What would make Wing Chun more effective is to study the Boxing Cross Guard, specifically Archie Moore and Gene Fullmer with his Reverse Cross Guard (which you showed). Its in the first form. Its basically a Quan Sao. It stops the most insidious Wing Chun beater, fast hooks and crosses, and its a VERY legitimate guard that in a Wing Chun context, puts you into Lap Sao position, all the time. Wing Chun footwork is nowhere near developed like boxing to cut angles and flank an opponent, so a guard that allows you to cover up, close in, pressure, and allows you to Lap Sao (trap) so you can blind side someone, is key. Also, you miss a shot? Your back in the Cross Guard automatically, you have very small openings, its beautiful but needs to be practiced allot. Also study master ‘trapper’ legendary boxer Roberto ‘Hands of Stone ‘ Duran.

[@inside_fighting]

Roberto Duran is a really cool boxer to analyze. Maybe I’ll do a video on him

[@victorsimpson4487]

The variety of martial arts you cover on your channel is awesome. I believe Lomachenko had studied ballet as a younger kid before getting into boxing. This background gives him exceptional footwork. Cheers from Ottawa.

[@inside_fighting]

Thank you. I believe he trained dance and wrestling and he has aspects of both in His fighting it seems

[@KasaiFilms8]

literally Mayweather has been called for that. Refs will say he is using his elbow. In reality he is adding downward force to prevent himself from getting hit with a powerful punch as well as being able to pivot off to counter or avoid punishment. Even though Vasly made that a staple in his repertoire. Mayweather (as Pretty Boy Floyd) has done the same in other fights as well. Foot movement and positioning is key and might be more important then trapping (which is another topic) Great and informative video Guro!

[@inside_fighting]

Glad you enjoyed it. I think mayweather is objectively the best defensive boxer to ever exist. I’ll do a breakdown of him one day

[@dx5soundlabs939]

@KasaiFilms8 I would say all 3 are equally important - footwork, angles/positioning, and trapping...they all function in unison, each supporting and generating the other...

[@itllkeal]

The 1st time I was dazed was from a guy who caught me when I came in with a left right combo, and that was almost 30 years ago, and I still remember that as plain as the moment it happened. I felt like a doup. Great job, Eli.

[@danieldobos15]

Thanks Mate ....Great video!

[@inside_fighting]

Appreciate it

[@toddianuzzi9296]

Good work man. Enjoy your channel

[@inside_fighting]

@@toddianuzzi9296 thank you brother 🙏🏼

[@mgs721]

Great stuff. I'm gonna try Lomachenko's technique next time I'm sparring 👍 Also, love the old boxing footage!

[@inside_fighting]

Thanks! Give it a try, it will work. It’s easier in a mirrored stance

[@tranquil_dude]

This kind of understanding perfectly clarifies a lot of stuff in older martial arts that would otherwise be deemed as dubious. Thanks for sharing and keep the good stuff coming! ☺🙏

[@Laj-t9k]

Great video, Ilan.

[@inside_fighting]

Appreciate that!

[@JonSnyder]

awesome breakdown and thanks for the bonus technique at the end!

[@inside_fighting]

My pleasure 🙏🏼

[@dragon11c]

Active trapping is what i teach at my school. I boxed with an All Air Force boxer and an All Army Boxer at different times and they both had sneaky ways of doing the grabs to turn someone or get off the ropes especially. Highly useful if you are stuck against a wall. I also saw a lot of karate "blocks" (which i dont use that way because its far more useful to attack with them as he shows), in the segment where hes working woth the coach and sparring partner. The head block (or jodan uke if you prefer) specifically is the same way i use it. I dont know if its worth noting but im also not a pure isshinryu guy either so there are other influences. I appreciate what you do in sharing all of this in this great field of study known as martial art. Please keep up the great work!

[@inside_fighting]

Much appreciate 🙏🏼 i like isshin ryu. It’s a unique system

[@TheUnkBoogie]

Great video as always good sir, glad to see the channel growing rapidly now!!!

[@inside_fighting]

Much aporeciated

[@dostma1]

Trapping works, it can be even pretty annoying when someone skillful uses it on you.

[@inside_fighting]

@@dostma1 yes it can really throw you off

[@shaisolomon1059]

Hi Ilan. Love your channel! Can you please make a video about Japanese Jiu jitsu?! That would be so awesome!

[@swenic]

9:20 the same thought strikes me when contextualizing old images.

[@Dark-Light_Ascendin]

Best intro on mma YT. ❤

[@paulinlasvegas]

This was an excellent video. Very well explained as everything made a lot of sense. Thank you.

[@MonkDowns]

Very good analysis very good thanks for doing this video. I have been studying FMA for years going as far back as 1978 under the late great Us weapons champion grandmaster Narrie Babao. I also attended many seminars under The grandmaster Danny inosanto. He explained panitikan and it's trapping methods fused with JKD in a very clear way in a pragmatic applicable fighting situation. People don't understand that JKD is not a fighting system. It's not a fighting style. JKD is a concept it's an idea. And those concepts and ideas and principles are placed on top of a Wing Chun platform. People really need to read and STUDY the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. I'm a 5th degree black belt in taekwondo under the late grandmaster Henry show at a New York City. TKD is my base art. Now i have been around for seven decades and still train an experiment and teach in the San Francisco Bay area. Started in martial arts at the age of 11. The problem today with the 21st century modern martial arts that they don't read the lineages of these arts. In order to provide framing for for what techniques work or don't work. They start with the new 21st century combat sport MMA and go from there. That's what the West has done. So if you're not doing MMA all of the forms of martial arts are ineffective that is not true! That is not true!!. The way something worth a technique works in a applicable combat way is that you have to drill it over and over and over and over for years. What are cars in the modern era of the 21st century people don't have years then it's not going to work. I've been teaching a long time. I'm 7 years old now and my kicks today are better than they were when I was 16 and I'm and I'm 70. Because I've been doing it for yearsss. There's no fast food way to be in good in fighting or anything you want to achieve. Martial arts be a wind chill on JKD or kung fu or TKD or judo or BJJ takes years of practice. 79 practitioners sees it performed they think it's magical. They go oh I want to learn how to do that can you teach me that it takes years. Trapping takes years. Lop sau pak sau etc these things take years to master you don't Master these things in a year or two. At least to the point where you can apply it in a practical combat way and where is effective it takes years. So I agree with you 100% thanks for doing this video bro. Well done! Because I've used trapping in fighting competing even as far back as the 70 trapping it's application in an efficient way in a fight is nothing new. If if you drilled and drilled and drilled in the thousands and thousands of repetition range.

[@inside_fighting]

Thank you. Appreciate that and it’s inspiring to hear you improving no matter how old we get 🙏🏼

[@MonkDowns]

@inside_fighting always remember that martial arts is a lifestyle. I learned that from seafood Dan inosanto. I'm not talking about MMA. MMA is a 21st century modern combat sport for prize fighting. But it's not a martial art. It's effective it's brutal it's entertaining they have strong they're in shape. But it's not a martial art in the classical sense of the word. Anyone who is really really serious about studying the martial arts, go to China! China has all kinds of martial arts. From the internal to the external from the Martial to the medicinal. The Chinese arts are both Martial and medicinal. In China you learn how to evolve from a martial artist to a martial scientist. Huge difference. In the west because of a lot of MMA guys who were just really ignorant I mean the guys like the big bangs on these clowns want to say that Chinese martial arts Kung Fu Wing channel or ineffective he doesn't know what the f*** he's talking about. I don't care if he was a middleweight champion he was a great fighter he doesn't know what he's talking about. In the West everything is about Force. You fight with Force. Fighting in the west is about a car wreck. It's not the Chinese way. A different mindset all together. You're on the right track I like what you're doing. this is really really good. So I salute you again keep up the great work.

[@dusandragovic09srb]

Last thing the fish notice is the water in which it swims - Ralph Linton It was all in Boxing first. Boxing & Wrestling are the Human Games. Good video!

[@inside_fighting]

It’s always been there for sure. Great quote

[@SharonOh-yz8rv]

Absolutely you are 100 percent correct, been using those techniques for a long time, learnt it myself when I was living in Ukraine 👍

[@s1r155]

Excellent analysis and breakdown

[@sasoriko]

Dracula guard is awesome. My dad also used Balrogs turn punch and hid his hand behind his shoulder and then WHAM. He was a legit street fighter RIP.

[@inside_fighting]

Sorry he passed brother

[@sasoriko]

@inside_fighting It is inevitable. Men like us get to carry on the legacy for the next generation. Keep it up you're doing great!

[@cletusgadsden2969]

Nice!

[@vicentealencar9132]

One thing I notice is the mirrowed stance. I mean, because Loma is a southpaw, his trapping works in this diferent stance. I wonder how would this trapping would work in orthodox stance, orthodox versus orthodox or southpaw vs southpaw…

[@inside_fighting]

@@vicentealencar9132 it makes a huge difference in terms of the approach. Trapping is way easier in a mirrored stance but still viable with standard

[@josephmarcantonio5908]

Well Done !! Very well Only feedback is in real street fights most trapping will not work as usually things happen real fast and Violently Most controlled fighting you have more time.... Real fights and unfortunately I've been in too many in my younger days IT HAPPENS SO FAST AND WITH GREAT RAGE VIOLENCE Keep up great work

[@jarrodpelrine7229]

I believe it is a fact that speed can overcome pretty much all in fighting but timing can overcome speed when intelligent actions are executed like what your showing here in this video great commentating

[@inside_fighting]

Lomachenko moves like lightning. His footwork is also very advanced and he is always cutting angles.

[@jarrodpelrine7229]

​@@inside_fightingI definitely hear his name more than any other boxer for the last several years especially when people are speaking of the technique within his techniques

[@MarkDunky]

Great video 👊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@sryconn]

At the Academy, trapping for JKD is taught to be utilized on the attack with forward pressure. Often after throwing a kick or a punch. It’s supposed to be a single moment in time to create an opening for further striking or grappling. The trapping drills where both people hold their ground is just for coordination and sensitivity. I saw some sparring footage of Bruce Lee doing something similar to what Lomanchenko was doing. Closed the distance, pulled the arm down and blasted with a single straight punch.

[@Patrick-sheen]

That lead hand drop is the essence of points fighting Karate. It’s probably the most utilised technique you’ll see

[@MYVLMA]

I enjoyed it very much! Martial Arts is a smart way of fighting, because we all have the same instincts when it comes to fighting for your life. Something so precious wich is so corrupted in our so called modern civilised society! So, learn to evaluate and to put things together in order to make them work under pressure, is all what Martial Arts always was about, before it became a business or style based icon. And this exactly what I really like about your work as a researcher and as a martial artist, that you evaluate what works and what fits into your attribution and anticipation of realistic situations, and that you are able to compare or to distinguish them from combat sports. Honest, righteous and precise. I love your work. See you soon, my friend. Greetings from Germany, where I am giving seminars and lessons during the next two weeks.👍🏻💪🏻

[@thiagoasayama7686]

This is also one of the reasons to why tuishou exist: to train your skin tact to react to the chance of force from someone pushing or moving your hand.

[@inside_fighting]

I never heard that term before

[@thiagoasayama7686]

​@@inside_fighting It's an exercise where you push a person's hand, and then the same person redirects your kinetic energy back to you. It's use a lot of body mechanics, and you should not use only your arm strength. Sorry if what I'm saying sounds confusing, since English is not my native language.

[@ArthursAtman]

Yup, great argument sir. I would say that "compound trapping", where there are like 5 steps...meh, not likely to come off. But simple, active trapping, absolutely! I see this in muay thai also (Pull-Elbow /Strip Elbow) etc. I had a lot of success firing a straight punch (vertical fist) after simply parrying a jab down

[@00788]

Good observation here doing it aggressively is good! I’ll teach that cause being a south paw your fight a lot of right hand fighters and the lead hand are matched up on the same side! So this is good tech in those Circumstances would like to see it executed when it’s too right handed people fighting each other or two left-hand people fighting each other win. Their lead hands are on opposite sides trapping from that perspective.

[@gw1357]

When I teach, I never use the words "offense" or "defense." The distinction between offense and defense is an illusion. In reality both are happening at the same time all the time. Instead, when I teach, I break everything down as "action" and "reaction." To me, trapping is ALWAYS an action. Never a reaction. Traps are like any combination its just that instead of touching the opponent to do damage, you're touching the opponent to control posture or clear lines. You're trapping with the intent that its going to amplify the strike that comes after. Instead of just banging away at the opponent's guard, you're trapping as part of your combo so that you can do drastically higher damage (ideally finishing damage) with a subsequent strike.

[@inside_fighting]

Great way to put it

[@darealblazegamer2416]

Surprised you haven't talked about jeet kune do yet, love to see you cover it, a good channel I think is Greenville academy of martial arts

[@vicentealencar9132]

Cool video. “If you want to live well, think of death”

[@inside_fighting]

Excellent quote

[@SeichusenDojo]

If you have not seen it, you should check out Unforgivable Blackness the story of Jack Johnson, really great film!! He beat everyone back then!! Vasyl is great to watch when he isnt injured!

[@inside_fighting]

I will check it out for sure

[@Gieszkanne]

The trapping in JKD is much more aggressive and pro active than in WC.

[@inside_fighting]

Milos, the guy i train with, traps very aggressively

[@inside_fighting]

Do you trap when you spar? Let me know below

[@gustavfischer1962]

Do you think a combination boxing/wing chu or boxing/kali is effective? If yes what Is the better combo?

[@inside_fighting]

@@gustavfischer1962 both work very well together. I personally love Filipino empty hands

[@JeffForsyth]

Constantly

[@johnl2648]

@@gustavfischer1962 in the Philippines almost every first/second generation FMA person in the 50s, 60s and 70s were mixing arts with boxing and karate experience along with their FMA.

[@johnl2648]

Yep somehow when I started boxing the Balintawak movements (block, load strike) and the loading stance made me somehow develop some kind of Philly Shell like thing organically and then the hand fighting stuff resulted in some Bong Sao like thing developing.

[@TheKillaMethod]

Martial arts is a circle. Imo The old is coming back combining with the new. That gangster accent came from early Hollywood. Then, real-life gangsters imitated.

[@inside_fighting]

I’m gonna bring back the accent 😅

[@TheKillaMethod]

@@inside_fighting I've low-key always wanted that SEE! LOL

[@happyjourneygateway]

One of the advantages for loma if you want to call it that was that he was often shorter than his opponents and he often dipped into a lunging bounce or would fake a look like he was about to and so where normally someone would expect if someone got their front hand over your front hand you'd have time to see them swinging their back hand at you and you'd be able to duck it because but he's below you you'd be ducking straight into it. I think i've seen bivol peel down his opponents front jabbing hand with his own jabbing hand to get off a quick from the elbow jab before he bounces back out of range like he does but it's more something irritating rather than horribly threatening. Everybodys out here peeling their opponents opposite guard hand to hit them in the side of their face nowadays in boxing, the trapping of the head as you call it I like to call shelving and loma was a master of it. Tyson fury used it alot and errol spence scored a highlight reel knockout with it in an epic clip. His use of it almost seemed an inadvertant result of missing with a hook and keeping them down for a moment while he mounted his attack with his opposite hand catching them coming back up. As for the cross guard usage, i couldn't figure out which one of your videos the european guy you were talking about was in but i like tim witherspoons jabbing from the cross guard video that shows a quick explanation of his preferred usage of it. It's trajectory is difficult to ascertain, it's unorthodox and you can whip it into a hard hammerfist and most importantly it looks cool. The downsides are I'm not sure my ulna bone would like to smacking upside somebodys bowling ball like skull or my poor pinky finger and wrist would enjoy the full weight of impacting someones skull with a maximum lateral produceable force being imposed upon them but what do I know. I'm just some guy that leave's long comments about hypothetical situations that hopefully should never occur.

[@manuelzapata1192]

B k f c Bare knuckle boxing is bringing some of those techniques back.

[@inside_fighting]

This is true. Making it old school again

[@oldschoolkarate-5o]

🙏🏽💯👍🏽

[@inside_fighting]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@hellohennessy3462]

Can you take a look into Rico Verhoeven, he attacks and defends at the same time in a similar way to Wing Chun.

[@paulmccabe2966]

Those older boxers where tough as f**k...we should learn from them...

[@inside_fighting]

People in general were tougher back then.

[@MichaelBecker-ev3jk]

Trapping is a big Thing in Infight Muay Thai/ Muay Sok to land the Elbows and get Control of the Arms an Head in Clinch Range. Thesy just don't call it Trapping and it is not that fancy like in the Panantukan Styles, so just practical orientaded not to look good. So every System has Trapping.

[@inside_fighting]

Agree fully. I use it to clinch up a lot too and clinch itself is “trapping”

[@Pieds-rouges]

what do you think about Loma's reversed guard ? I have heard he use his dominante hand in front like in wing chun. Do you think he would me more efficient in a orthodoxe boxing position ? Is this even important in a fight ?

[@inside_fighting]

It’s how i learned panantukan. Strong lead allows much easier trapping and also allows more control off range but sacrifices power

[@dx5soundlabs939]

@@Pieds-rouges a lot of martial arts go strong side forward...there's a lot to be said for being equally effective in both stances, but strong hand lead provides some really big advantages so long as you don't forget to still use your rear hand...

[@hellohennessy3462]

Can you tell me more about this? I can't find anything about a reversed guard.

[@Pieds-rouges]

@@hellohennessy3462well, he is right handed and he is a southpaw

[@inside_fighting]

@ almost all JKD and panantukan is about using your strong hand as a lead. In Filipino martial arts is a result of the weapon.

[@alexdow8042]

❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@craneandcobraclosecombat]

Yup

[@jacobharris954]

It called lop sau in wing chun or hikite in karate both mean grabbing hand. Kamaru usman did this to knock Jorge masvidal

[@inside_fighting]

Exactly

[@jacobharris954]

@inside_fighting one correction, in wing chun we can and do lop and Lon sau more aggressively. You may not see it, until technique is mastered. No secrets. Just a another way of doing the basics

[@inside_fighting]

@ yes i see it from Milos often. He actively traps

[@MikeS24-v4s]

It's really funny, most people who says a certain subject in martial arts doesn't work are those 1) who never trained in these arts. 2) they're going off someone else's hear say. 3) they might have taken a six month course thinking that was enough to make them "dangerous" and really didn't put in serious man hours to make it work.

[@inside_fighting]

@@MikeS24-v4s this is true. It’s often ignorance that leads to critique

[@numba3son]

These are all tiger claw techniques in Hung Gar Kung Fu. This is a staple when we spar.

[@FormlessJKD17]

It's not just "tiger claw techniques" it's fighting skill and common sense

[@ragdollcatledaandherbutlerstef]

You can find these and some other trapping tecniques in XingYiQuan as well

[@skillpat1827]

How many martial arts do you think you can learn ? I personally think you can master or be very good at 4 max 5 . Also what do you think is the best martial art combinatiol for judo and boxing (if you would only could practice 5)

[@dx5soundlabs939]

@skillpat1827 depends on what age you start...I began at 6 and studied upwards of 10 styles...just a matter of how much time and focus you have to give, and how early you start

[@skillpat1827]

@dx5soundlabs939 Well I start at 16 now how many style do you think I can learn/Master?

[@inside_fighting]

I think as you learn more they all become easier to learn and become more similar. It’s hard to say really

[@dx5soundlabs939]

@skillpat1827 heavily dependent on you, your aptitude for learning martial arts, and the time and effort you put in... as IF stated, once you've learned a few then learning more becomes easier as you gain a broader understanding of martial arts and how the body moves and reacts... once you hit a certain point though you kind of have a general idea of all the different ways to move and the learning is less about mastering new physical movements and more about learning new concepts and approaches to utilizing said moves... you'll probably get more benefit from learning one style in each of the schools of tactics than just amassing numerous styles... i.e., learn a western grappling art (wrestling), an eastern grappling art (judo, chinese fast wrestling, etc), a boxing esque style (muay thai, kickboxing, etc.), a speed/trapping style (FMA, kenpo, WC, etc), and add some submission work (BJJ)... that's 5 styles and you'll have a pretty good grasp on all the major schools of thought... you can add in some unique stuff like capoeira or something to spice it up, but by the time you truly become proficient in a style from each of those 5 categories you're gonna be pretty much set.

[@MasterPoucksBestMan]

I wonder how he'd do it against another southpaw where his lead wouldn't be as close to their lead. He seems to cross trap when they square up since it brings their rear closer to his lead.

[@inside_fighting]

@@MasterPoucksBestMan yes the tactic changes slightly but it still works

[@huansitoaguilar9405]

I agree 100% , the complaining sounded comical .

[@henryposadas3309]

The very first lead hand trap you showed is basic in almost any art. Shotokan Karate uses that all the time. Watch Machida or any point sparring videos. Even old school boxing dies that. Watch Willie pep or Roberto Duran. No art claim claim to that.

[@inside_fighting]

Yes that’s was the point of the video

[@benconforzi5696]

So basically trapping is more or less the same as a parry. That being said Adam Chan said that fighting is more about attribute than technique. Looks like he was right. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYPceGh5psx4kLs

[@inside_fighting]

@@benconforzi5696 yes it’s a party it a check just with the intention of attacking

[@BeAndNBovee]

That "old style talking" is simply a Brooklyn accent.

[@henryposadas3309]

The very first lead hand trap you showed is basic in almost any art. Shotokan Karate uses that all the time. Watch Machida or any point sparring videos. Even old school boxing dies that. Watch Willie pep or Roberto Duran. No art claim claim to that. I myself use that often. And yes, you need to move forward after you trap his lead arm.

[@hellohennessy3462]

There is like absolutely no reason to trap if you don't move forward lol.

[@aaroncoffea5507]

Mid Atlantic Accent

[@johnl2648]

BTW the accent you mentioned is the Mid Atlantic Accent: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent

[@inside_fighting]

Interesting. It’s one of my favorite accents

[@johnl2648]

@@inside_fighting because it was used in those old timey cartoons like Looney Tunes and that DUCK TRACY episode?

[@joeoleary9010]

Sounds more like Jimmy Cagney's accent to me, which was common to NYC Irish in his day.