The Shema and the Holy Trinity

[@JasonPaulMusic]

You have a gift for communicating difficult but essential concepts at the intersection of Judaism and Christianity. Nice work and thank you!

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Shalom. Thank you and all glory to the Triune God. I’m glad to hear that. May this video be useful to others.

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L PS: God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@collectiveconsciousness5314]

@@Adri-242 Hence the trinity is unlike anything in creation.

[@Adri-242]

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 unlike anything in the creation ? Can you elaborate?

[@jrutt2675]

​@@Adri-242 Wrong my friend. Ask me, and I will explain the Trinity in full depth!

[@nenabunena]

Hey I just watched The Jewish Cardinal, it's a french film directed by a french jew. It's based on a true story and very very good. I think a lot of jewish christians would be able to relate ro his story. I think you'd love it

[@sandybock353]

My priest simplified the Trinity by explaining it as a human man can be a father, a son, and a friend, but he is still one man. Again, it's simplistic, and yes quantum physics is throughout the Bible. Annette Capps spoke about that topic many years ago in her book "Quantum Faith". We can't understand it all, but it is fun to try figure it out.

[@S_goldman_]

I like the egg analogy. One egg with 3 distinct parts: eggshell, yolk, and egg white.

[@iluvlexiful]

You have a beautiful singing voice 🕊

[@TheJewishCatholic]

I’m humbled. I don’t like my voice, so thank you for the kind words.

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@lakelewis8968]

Gosh as someone who was apart of torah observant Christianity for years your videos are so so relatible to me. I'm not of jewish ethnicity but I was apart of a messanic synagogue and so much of what you have said about your passed in messanic judaism is incredibly similar to my faith journey. Now I'm a catholic catechumen and it's so nice to have a channel like yours because it's so hard trying to find people to relate to coming from this background. Thank you for all that you do on this channel. Also you have an epic singing voice now we need you to sing a Hebrew version of the Our Father and the Hail Mary prayers.

[@michellemcdermott2026]

Shalom. I like your favorite

[@ilike2fiddle]

Version two of the sung Shema is beautiful!

[@shabbatbeliever]

I know the first version but the second is very beautiful

[@PAX1357]

Congratulations Daniel, the beautiful exposition, explanation and analogy you made between the Shema Israel and the Holy Trinity, One God. As for the sung version of Shema Israel, I also prefer the second one, because it reminds me of my Sephardic roots

[@TheJewishCatholic]

I’m glad to know that you found the video useful. And yes, it does have a Sephardic feel to it!

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@humberto4344]

Let’s go!!!!! I wanted to see this for so long!

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Hope you enjoyed it.

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@chaplainsoffice6907]

Beautiful, the first version is my favorite. Shalom

[@rubiroldan4762]

I like the second one👍🏼🕊

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Good choice!

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@Designer6]

Good explanation, God bless this channel in Jesus Christ name.

[@ksiriscool]

St. Augustine saw a child digging a hole and putting sea water in the hole. The child told St Augustine what he was doing. St. Augustine said that it's impossible to put all the sea water in the world into the hole. The child replied that it's easier to put all the sea water in the world into the hole than to understand the holy Trinity. The child then disappeared

[@thatcatholiclawyer]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@louisacahan831]

You have just given me permission to pray the shma again! I now pray it alongside the Sign of the Cross!

[@Sivan-t8e]

That is an oxymoron. Just because you CAN doesnt mean you should. There is no Rabbi or even a Priest that would agree with that.

[@JonnyOxtricks]

I am HERE for this!

[@rayfranklin5783]

Shalom Ha-Moshiach, achi! Keep up the great work!

[@michaelverde4844]

Bro, great explanation and great a cappella singing voice! I could see why the 2nd is a fav. It definitely has holy land vibes. ⚜️❤️‍🔥

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Thanks so much! I see what you mean. I get the same vibes.

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@roseg1333]

The second version was my favorite 😍 so beautiful well done 🙏🏼🕊️

[@the-metaphorian]

Very clear and simple enough to understand. So glad you are tackling this. Great warning on heresies! St. John Damascene in speaking of the Trinity uses Jewish metaphors like the radiance and the tree of life. Then he tells us to not even try to understand these analogies. Pope Benedict XVI said to the theologians - pursue that theme through the theology of God as Substance-in-Relation! The point of the triune God is that the Father in his ethos of self-giving love must give Himself within the Supreme Being because there is Nothing beyond the Supreme Being to give Himself to. Being is all being. Apart from Being is Nothing. And Nothing is truly nothing. Nobody can receive the fulness of God's self-giving but God Himself! Who but God Himself can receive His own omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence? So the Father must self-give within the Godhead to someone who is still God but beyond Father, hence the Son, who is in total receptivity of the Father's self-donation of Being or Life, and who also fully reciprocates this nature of "intending," tendering Being from within to someone beyond one's will (to give), through His perfect obedience to the Divine Will. And so we can say that the Son is the very image and likeness of the Father because He too self-donates all that the Father has given Him, back unto Him. Fathers provide for their offspring, but the primordial definition of father is one who confers his IDENTITY onto his offspring. That is why a father gives his name to his offspring. Divine paternity is the very conferral of Being unto the other - God the Father gives Himself to the Son. The Son is begotten of the Father because He has received the fulness of the Father's identity as Self-Giving Being. And we know that the Son is the very image and likeness of the father because the Son gives back all of Himself in self-surrender (the cross) back unto the Father, an act that gives eternal life to us all! This theology is The Radiance of the Trinity because when Divine Paternity and Filiality are in eternal reciprocal self-donation, Being is conserved and not only preserved but MAGNIFIED into the outpouring of Being. Being radiates from the Godhead because the divine ethos is Ecstatic Being or Being-Beyond-Being. The Father is Being-Beyond-Being because of self-donation. The Son is Being-Beyond-Being because of His total self-surrender to the Father. The Trinity is a communion of love in which to be, is to be in eternal self-donation for the glory of God. And so St. John Damascene explains that the Trinity is the light, the ray and the radiance - a completely borrowed idea from Hebrews chapter 1! All three are one in essence, but the distinction is in the relationship of one toward the other. The Spirit of God, as St. Hilary of Poitiers teaches, comes from Father and Son as the singular Godhead per se. And in the words of St. Paul and John Damascene, God is The Radiance. The Radiance of what? The Radiance of eternal life in an indivisible communion of love. Nothing could ever be more magnificent to ponder on for the rest of one's life than the radiance of the Trinity.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

This is excellent! Thank you for sharing!!!

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@user-vf5mx8fh8j]

Today's Gospel: And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.'....Mark 12:28-30

[@myriamc.]

I have heard of the first one before, but it looks like that I like them both!!!😊🙏🏽

[@TheJewishCatholic]

The first one is much more common. But glad you like them both!

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@myriamc.]

@@TheJewishCatholicBeautiful!!!❤️🙏🏽

[@lifemama]

Beautiful! Thank you!

[@r.c4914]

We got enough understanding in the in the Trinity . But we cannot ever get the full understanding of this mystery or ealse that would make us God .

[@TheJewishCatholic]

It is indeed a rich mystery!

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@lishmahlishmah]

Hi Daniel. Have you already seen The Chosen? It's a series about Jesus with a clear and strong Jewish context. At last! For example, in the 3rd episode of Season 1 you can see Jesus who asks a group of children to pray with the Shema. Btw, the role of Jesus is played by Jonathan Roumie, a practicing Catholic.

[@pocketvelero]

The Our Father is the New Shema! There are icons that show that the Our Father tells the story of the Trinity and the entire Bible!

[@TheJewishCatholic]

I’d like to learn more about these icons

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@the-metaphorian]

Thanks!

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Welcome!

[@Vinsanity997]

Espero que algún día creas más videos en español

[@rexgloriae316]

Nice video. You have quite unique perspective on Catholicism!

[@Favourandblessing-24]

Yud hei vav hei translates to hand of Grace nailed in Grace is Jesus

[@deusimperator]

Trinity - There (ad extra) is one being (subsistence existence - whose essence is to exist) with an intellect and will. This being, who is subsistence existence, subsists in three persons (ad intra).

[@jessica3285]

Very thoughtful 👍

[@shaulkramer7425]

great video.

[@elishevaliebschutz7863]

Thank you

[@TheJewishCatholic]

You're welcome

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@sachiellegna2424]

Hi from México, it's the first time i see your vídeo. It's interesting

[@ChokmahAndBinah]

I really want to know what tradition that last one was. I'd like to hear the rest of it.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Seems to be a favorite

[@MYLORDCLC123]

Amen 🙏🙏🙏

[@sancraft8718]

”And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.“ ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭20‬ ‭

[@terrytzaneros8007]

The most glorious praise to the Most Holy Trinity. The Three Crowns Icon of the Shin-Shema as portrayed upon the mezzuzoth of the Jews and recited by all Israel.

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@ksiriscool]

Thanks for the clear explanation of the Trinity. May God bless your work.

[@MS-kf7so]

Very informative👏

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@santosvalle9690]

Sigue Adelante con tu Apóstolado.

[@ianshepherd6336]

I,ve heard it said that we can be 3 persons but still be one as we are, such as, I am a father, a husband and a grandparent. Probably titles. Can it be that God is the Father, Son & Holy Spirit three in one… I know His ways are higher than our ways and His thinking is higher than our thinking.. I listened to what you say, yet still my small mind churns?

[@TheJewishCatholic]

The problem with that analogy is that it is very much like the heresy of modalism. Basically that God just has different faces but is one person. The Trinity is One because there is only One Supreme, One Lord of Lords, One King of Kings, One Divine Essence. Due to this, though the Godhead is revealed in 3 distinct Persons, God is One. Yes, it’s difficult to grasp but for me, it all begins with understanding that by necessity, logically there can only be One Almighty, One who is Omnipotent. That One, the Supreme One is who we know as God. Next comes understanding that He is Love. Love only exists as it given and received. The Giver, the Receiver and that Love between the both is God Himself. Three persons in One. An eternal unity.

[@ianshepherd6336]

Thanks for that… It is no problem identifying with God as one, or in Christ as God or the Holy Spirit that Christ said He would send as a helper. Then Love as being the nature of God, Christ & Holy Spirit. I’m looking at Christ saying that He and the Father are one, & the Spirit is with them, the Father sent His Son, then trying as an English believer to wrap my head with a little study of Hebrew/Jewish roots & just as I feel I’m getting a grasp of the trinity, which I also believe it feels like a slippery grasp. So listening to this message for more clarity I find I still have a slippery grasp.. I feel like I’m trying to nail jelly to the wall… Thank goodness He is the finisher of our faith and for the utterances & groaning of the Spirit.

[@otherworlder]

you should check out inspiring philosophy's explanation on the blessed trinity. i believe it is in a playlist.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Thank you, I will

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@dimasbagus7551]

The most Holy Trinity is a metaphysics and beyond our tiny little mind. But, the Kabbalist that are the metaphysist and cosmologist in Judaism explain the Shema and strengthened the idea of Trinity long before the Church Fathers. In Zohar 2:43b we could see the explanation of Shema and the naming of YHWH that revealed to the Kabbalist.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

They definitely provide a basis for this reality. Thanks for sharing.

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@dimasbagus7551]

@@Adri-242 So Edmund miss the understanding of Jewish cosmology and hurting a bunch of Jewish Catholic that refered the basis of Trinity and it prafiguration in Zohar. “Hear oh Israel, YHWH, our Lord, YHWH [is one]” (Deut. 6-4), thus, all is one. On this He is called One. These are three names. How can they be called one? Even though we call them one, how can they be one? Rather, in the vision of the holy spirit it is known, and these in the vision of the closed eye, to know that these three are one. And this is the mystery of the voice as it sounds. A voice is one, and it is three aspects- fire, spirit, and water, and all of them are one in the mystery of the voice. So too, “YHWH, our Lord, YHWH,” these are one. Three aspects, and they are one. This is the voice that a man produces in the unification, to draw his desire in unification from ein sof until the end of all, with this voice that is made with these three that are one. This is the daily unification that is revealed in the mystery of the holy spirit. And several aspects of unification are aroused, and all of them are true. One who performs this, performs, and one who performs this, performs. But this unification that we arouse from below in the mystery of the voice that is one, this is the clarification of the thing in principle. (Zohar 2:43b). If he says it is beyond the understanding of what is written. We, never see in Old Testament that YHWH is attributed with the word Yachid (one as a singular number). The Kabbalist material was already translated and accapted as the interpretation of Old Testament teaching long before Edmund was born. Such as a Catholic Kabbalist named Pico della Mirandola, that instructed by Pope Innocent VIII to translate the Kabbalah material or Pope Leo X that instructed Pietro Galatino to compile the Kabbalist materials in his book named "De Arcanis Catholicae Veritatis". So Edmund base argument is simple to dismissed.

[@dimasbagus7551]

@@Adri-242 Also His word and His Spirit. Clearly Old Testament mention the existance of The Word and The Spirit in Genesis 1:1-3. Also when God creating the universe from the day 1 to day 5, God create it by "saying" this is not an empty order. Look at Psalm 33:6 that mentioning by the Word of the Lord, sky has been created, this indicate that what He says when the creation time, is not just an order but its also a noun that belong to God. What is belong to God also eternal and without begining and end. So Word of of God is an eternal and not seperated from God. The formula of Word of God that mention in John 1:1-14 is true then.

[@mariacisneros6114]

👌🙏

[@Davi.Abraham.Millman]

Can catholic pray the shema

[@jesusistheonlyway1035]

Can I know what bible translation you are using?

[@josephezekielsegismar]

brother, you could watch the KZbin channel of a " Thomistic 101" they are Dominican priests they explain you very well about the sacrament, Holy Trinity, The creation, the nature of beings in philosophical way of explanation et,. they are very intellectual...

[@marcbonomelli5920]

ECHAD, ONE, is a 3 letter word. Aleph the father, Het the Spirit, Daleth the Son ?

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Who knows. There may be something to that.

[@johanr4076]

He’s one divine Mind and one Will. Hence He’s one God. However, the manner He relates to Himself is the source of the multiplicity of His Persons. Namely, His relations of self-knowledge and self-love. To illustrate, the Father is distinguished from the Son and vice-versa because of the self-knowledge relation. The Former (the Father) is and exhausts the “Knower” end of the relation, whereas the Latter, the Son, is and exhausts the “Known” one. Reason discovered these relations and placed them under logical or virtual distinctions. However, divine revelation has already let us know that these distinctions are more than merely virtual or logical, but are actually REAL.

[@zachfanton6081]

Didn’t expect to hear that Mizrachi pronunciation. Lol. I’d like to point out that The Zohar has an interesting commentary on The Shema, it says that when Deuteronomy says YHWH Eloheinu, YHWH is One, these are The different names YHWH (1) Eloheinu (2) YHWH (again/3) is One and expounds on it. Rabbi Tzvi Nasi, a Jewish Believer wrote a book on it called “The Great Mystery, How can The Three be One.”

[@TheJewishCatholic]

I’ve read about that but I wasn’t familiar with this later work by R. Tzvi Nasi. I’ll have to check it out. Thank you.

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@zachfanton6081]

@@Adri-242 quotes from the sources You mentioned aren’t very convincing when there are multiple Jewish scholars, ranging from reform to Orthodox, a Tosafost, rabbi Mosheh ben Chasdai taku, and possibly more Rishonim admitting to Multinitarian Theology and/or Deific Embodiment in The TaNaKh. no Trinitarian that i know of would argue that The Word Trinity exists in the TaNaKh or Apostolic Writings, but neither do Words like Eruvin, Chagigah, ‘avodhah zarah,” and other Jewish terms, yet Rabbis would argue the concepts are Biblical. in The TaNaKh we have a Mal’akh who is individuated from Hashem in Shamaym, yet identified as Hashem, and the K’var Enosh in DaniEl 7 who is individuated from The Atiq Yamim, yet rides on the Clouds of Heaven, just like Hashem does in multiple places in the TaNaKh and we definately have The Ruach Elohim/Haqodhesh mentioned which i don’t remember if This Ruach is identified as Hashem, but idk Who else the Ruach would be. if One choses not to be a Multinitarian and/or an Eloqist that’s His or Her decision, but there is definately Biblical and extraBiblical evidence as to why someone would Conclude with such Theologies.

[@Adri-242]

@Zach Fanton actually in any religion you have different currents&intepretations, which can often be opposed. So the fact that you can manage to find some scholars who agree for a "multinitarian" theology doesn't mean at all that these kind of theologies are correct.. And btw on the other hand how many scholars disagree with it instead ?..

[@Adri-242]

God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@cvx8279]

Why dont catholics say this prayer more often??

[@TheJewishCatholic]

Most of them aren’t introduced to this as a “prayer”. They may have read it while studying Scripture but it’s not something typically prayed by Catholics. I hope this video helps change that.

[@malachi7948]

THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD HE SPOKE UNTO HIS SERVANT MOSES “I AM”: “And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.” Exodus 13:13-15 JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME WHO SAID “I am”: “Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:54-58 THE LORD OUR GOD, THE ONE AND ONLY GOD, SPOKE UNTO HIS PROPHETS “I am he”: “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” Isiah 43:10 JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME WHO SAID “I am he”: “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.” John 8:24-25 “Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.” Isaiah 41:4

[@malachi7948]

THE FIRST AND THE LAST IS THE ALMIGHTY: “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” Revelation 1:8 THE FIRST AND THE LAST IS THE ONLY GOD: “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” Isaiah 44:6 JESUS CHRIST IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST: “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” Revelation 1:17-18

[@malachi7948]

THE LORD GOD ALONE FORGIVES SINS: “I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.” Isaiah 43:25” JESUS CHRIST IS HE WHO FORGIVES SINS: “When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.” Mark 2:5 THE LORD OUR GOD IS THE ONLY SAVIOUR: “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” Isaiah 43:11 OUR SAVIOUR IS THE ONLY WISE GOD: “To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.” Jude 1:25 JESUS CHRIST IS THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOUR: “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Titus 2:13

[@malachi7948]

THE LORD OUR GOD IS GOD OF GODS AND LORD OF LORDS: “For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.” Deuteronomy 10:17-18 THE LORD IS THE ONE KING AND HIS NAME IS ONE: “And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.” Zechariah 14:9 THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTATE: “That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;” 1 Timothy 6:14-15 JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS: “These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.” Revelation 17:14 THE LORD GOD IS THE ONLY CREATOR: “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” Isaiah 44:24 “I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King” Isaiah 43:15 JESUS CHRIST IS OUR CREATOR: “That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.” John 1:9-10

[@malachi7948]

GOD OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN PROMISED THAT HE WOULD DWELL AMONGST US IN THE FLESH, MESSIAH: “Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.” Zechariah 2:10-11 THE MESSIAH BORN IN BETHLEHEM IS EVERLASTING. “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” Micah 5:2 MESSIAH IS THE LORD WHOM YOU SEEK: “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.” Malachi 3:1 THE MESSIAH IS “THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS”: “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.” Jeremiah 23:5-6 JESUS CHRIST IS THE MIGHTY GOD AND THE EVERLASTING FATHER WHO DWELT AMONG US IN THE FLESH: “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6 TO KNOW JESUS IS TO KNOW THE FATHER, HE WHO HAS SEEN JESUS HAS SEEN THE FATHER, JESUS CHRIST IS IN THE FATHER AND FATHER IS IN HIM : “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Phillip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” John 14:6-10 JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER ARE ONE: “I and my Father are one.” John 10:30 EVERYTHING THAT THE FATHER HAS BELONGS TO JESUS CHRIST- THEREFORE ALL DIVINITY BELONGS TO JESUS CHRIST: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.” John 16:12-15

[@malachi7948]

JESUS CHRIST IS COMPLETELY AND FULLY GOD AND THERE IS NOT ANY OTHER GOD BESIDE HIM: “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Colossians 2:9 JESUS IS THE LORD FROM HEAVEN: “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.” 1 Corinthians 15:47 HE IS GOD WITH US: “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.” Matthew 1:23 GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH: “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1 Timothy 3:16 AND IT IS HE WHOM THEY PIERCED: “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” Zechariah 12:10 JESUS CHRIST IS OVER ALL, GOD BLESSED FOREVER: “Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” Romans 9:5 JESUS THE MESSIAH IS GOD WHO DWELLT AMONGST US IN THE FLESH, AND THERE IS NO OTHER GOD: “And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” Isaiah 49:6 “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:22 THE LORD OUR GOD SEARCHES THE HEART AND TRIES THE REINS: “I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.” Jeremiah 17:10 JESUS CHRIST IS HE WHO SEARCHETH THE REINS AND THE HEARTS: “And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.” Revelation 2:23 THE ONE AND ONLY GOD, BESIDES WHOM THERE IS NO OTHER GOD, WILL JUDGE BY HIS WORD: “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.” Deuteronomy 32:39-41 “And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” Deuteronomy 33:1-2 “And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” Jude 1:14-15 JESUS CHRIST’S WORD IS HE WHO WILL JUDGE. “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” Revelation 19:11-16

[@ElCineHefe]

At least someone understands there there is only one pantheon of polytheistic gods just like the gods of Egypt.

[@Favourandblessing-24]

We don't worship Mother Mary either

[@harrylime9611]

The answer is Yes. I just saves you 13 minutes and 4 seconds of your life. You're welcome.

[@ramonnavarro2220]

The new testament was written in Greek. Greek stories about their gods often describe the god, particularly Zeus having sex with human women. The offspring being a demigod like Hercules or Jason. The G-d of Yisrael, who taught Hebrew, the Holy Language (Lashon Hakoesh) to the Patriarchs- has said he is NOT human: Numbers 23:19; Isaiah 43:10-12; Deuteronomy 32:39; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9; Exodus 33:17-21. Jesus is a demigod following the Greek tradition. Christians are pagans following the Greek god tradition.

[@TheJewishCatholic]

@@ramonnavarro2220 lol.

[@garemiah1521]

Brother as I listening to you , i saw you could be a priest. Why not consider you have a God given talemt as a messgeer. Praying for you. Godbless

[@grahamtopfuel]

There is not a single verse in the Bible that supports the idea that God is 3 seperate persons ???

[@VincentVu846]

Not separate but distinct. Separation implies they can be taken apart, distinction implies that the persons are different, yet cannot be broken. In this case, the persons are different in relation to one another, yet they cannot be separated or broken since they are united under one singular divine nature.

[@grahamtopfuel]

What do you mean by distinct ??? as it's a very vague concept. What is distinct ??? When you say distinct does it mean the Father. Son and Holy Spirit each have their own centre of consciousness and will and each have their own personality. Two Humans can share the same Human Nature but they are still two humans not one.

[@grahamtopfuel]

When you use the term Person, then by default they are separate???

[@VincentVu846]

@@grahamtopfuel Yes, I am saying they are their own conscience as we see the persons interact with one another, meaning they are different in that respect. Nevertheless, they are unseparated from one another because each person has the same divine nature that makes God God. Btw God isn’t the same as a human isn’t he 😅

[@sancraft8718]

The LORD is numerical 1. Your first video is accurate. The trinity evolved in 325ad - the nicean council. They did not know more than the disciples who spent 3 years with Messiah. There is nowhere in the bible claiming God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. Nowhere does the Bible mention trinity. If the trinity is equal, why is Jesus a son? That would make Him unequal to the father. Jesus was crucified because He was understood to be blasphemous - making Himself equal with God. My brother, following Catholicism is moving backwards. The trinity is confusing because it is just that. The LORD is one.

[@martinemjt]

thank you. you have a great singing voice. christianity is jewish!

[@r.c4914]

Anybody has question about the trinity maybe i can help . We need verify this in scripture in order so we can believe and see for ourselves and dont take belief at face value. Our ealse anybody ealse can come and manipulate you or pass you errors if your not grounded in the bible.

[@Adri-242]

In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L

[@r.c4914]

Pentacostal have trouble Some believe in the trinity but others dont . I found out when i ask this co worker at work ,and little do i knew i believe he was pentacostal . And i try to explain but he wasnt comfortable he avoided me. Muslims dont belive in trinity they got confussion aswell.

[@Adri-242]

During 1500 years God sent messengers to children of Israel. And trinity was never thaught by any messengers of God. It came after

[@johnosumba1980]

Have you read the book of Genesis? The language used is enough to give one an idea of trinity.

[@Adri-242]

@john osumba In "The trinitarian God" written by the Jesuit Edmund Fortman: "Old testament doesn't say anything explicitly or by necessary implication about a trinitarian God which is Father, son and holy spirit. There is zero proof that a sacred writter even suspect the existence of a trinity within The Divinity. Even seeing in the old testament some suggestions or prefigurations or "hidden signs" of trinity, it is going beyond the meaning of the words and of the intention of sacred writter." Encyclopedia of religion: "The theologians of today agree to say that the Hebrew Bible doesn't include a doctrine of trinity. And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of Holy Trinity is not taught in the old testament" The Church of the First Few Centuries: "The doctrine of trinity was of a gradual formation and relatively late. It had its origin in a source completely foreign to Jewish and Christian scriptures. It grew up and rooted in Christianity, by the hand of platonist fathers" John L. McKenzie, SJ, Dictionary of the Bible: "The trinity of persons within the unity of the nature is defined in the terms of "person" and "nature" which are Greek philosophic terms; actually, the terms doesn't appear in the Bible" In the New Encyclopædia Britannica: "Neither the word trinity, neither the explicit doctrine itself, appear in the new testament, and Jesus and his disciples had not either the intention of contradict the "Shema" in the old testament: "Hear O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One" (Dt 6:4). (...) The doctrine progressively developed during several centuries through many controversies. (...) At the end of the 4th century (...) the doctrine from here has maintained since". (1976), Micropædia, vol X, p 126 Encyclopedia Americana: "Christianity is derived from judaism, and judaism was strictly unitarian" (1956), vol XXVII, p. 294 L PS: God is the Unique Entity that exists without a beginning, without a possible end, Who subsists by Itself, and is Self-Sufficient. An Unique Entity which has no limitations nor needs. No matter or substance nor shape. No parts. And no imperfection/defects. God has brought into existence the creation, without using any raw material that existed before. And God is ABSOLUTELY DISTINCT from Its creation (whether the material or spiritual part of the creation), and infinitely above it (including space & time) And since God is absolutely distinct from Its creation and infinitely above it: God is, consequently, above anything we can conceive, imagine, think. Since by design: our brain&consciousness can only reach/conceive/imagine realities from the creation, that can be observed/measured. Thus it can't reach this Unique Entity Which "Exists" by default, subsists by Itself, is Self sufficient, and caused the creation and maintain it into existence

[@dimasbagus7551]

@@Adri-242 Genesis 1:1-3 with the interpreration of Psalm 33:6 is strong prafiguration of Trinity. Your "Jesuit" argument is baseless and without reasoning.

[@Adri-242]

@@dimasbagus7551 LOL ... You chose to be completely delusional

[@dimasbagus7551]

@@Adri-242 delusional you say ? Clearly Old Testament mention the existance of The Word and The Spirit in Genesis 1:1-3. Also when God creating the universe from the day 1 to day 5, God create it by "saying" this is not an empty order. Look at Psalm 33:6 that mentioning by the "Word of God, the sky were made", this indicate that what He says when the creation time, is not just an order but its also a noun that belong to God. (bidbar YHWH, בִּדְבַ֣ר יְ֭הֹוָה) What is belong to God also eternal and without begining and end. So Word of of God is an eternal and not seperated from God. The formula of Word of God that mention in John 1:1-14 is true then.

[@idris_haris_al-kalima]

Peace be upon you, I am a "polytheistic" Muslim technically speaking, but I have taught to say, "Hear, O People of the Name, He-is our Gods, He-is united. Blessed be the Name of Allah even of His Son the Anointed Redeemer, even the Name of the Salvation of the Kingdom of Allah for time and [for] eternity. But do not commit excess in your religion nor say about Allah except the truth. Indeed, the Anointed Redeemer the son of Mary is Apostle of Allah, and the Word from [Allah], which [Allah] sent down into [the womb of] Mary, and the Spirit from [Allah]. So believe in Allah and His Apostles. And do not say, "[The Anointed Redeemer is] Three [Lords]." It is better for you to desist. Indead, Allah is One God, [so, indead, the Anointed Redeemer is also One Lord] Glorified is [Allah], because Allah has a Son, [the Anointed Redeemer] for whom [exists] everything in the heavens and everything on the earth. And [the Anointed Redeemer] is sufficient before Allah as [our] advocate."

[@housecry]

May I ask, where is this quote from?

[@idris_haris_al-kalima]

@@housecry My sect of Islam paraphrases Surah 4:171.

[@茶色Aaron]

​@@idris_haris_al-kalima I'm curious what sect of islam are you from, yall sound Christian and when dive into the early islam they praying toward Jerusalem and jesus was revered by Muhammad.....

[@idris_haris_al-kalima]

@@茶色Aaron Sadly, my sect of Islam has had many names, but none of them ever became common. My sect sees Muhammad as another name of the Anointed Redeemer. In fact, Mahometanitas would a name of my sect in Latin. But my sect is small and is very secretive as both Sunni and Shia Muslims hate us.

[@茶色Aaron]

@@idris_haris_al-kalima Would you be interested in going up on godlogic channel and talking about this...?? And I want to do more research on this, godlogic even though it's a joke sometimes will say he is a original quran only Christian because he believes uthman changed the quran and the original quran pointed to jesus as savior.....