The Shining - WTF Happened To This Movie?

Hollywood has had its fair share of historically troubled productions. Whether it was casting changes, actor deaths, fired directors, in-production rewrites, constant delays, budget cuts or studio edits, these films had every intention to be a blockbuster, but were beset with unforeseen disasters. Sometimes huge hits, sometimes box office bombs. Either way, we have to ask: WTF Happened To This Movie?
In the latest episode we venture back to the Overlook Hotel for Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of Stephen King's The Shining, starring Jack Nicholson and Shelley Duvall. The film has been a sore spot for King throughout the years, despite becoming a massive cultural phenomenon. Now, a sequel to the film, Doctor Sleep, is primed to hit theaters, prompting everyone to ask the question: WTF Happened to this Movie?
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[@amywilliams5233]

Shelly Duvall's performance is criminally underrated. She behaved exactly like someone in her situation realistically would have

[@thedys70]

Did she get an AA nomination? I can't remember?

[@chukmorris8264]

Xander Williams- completely agree with you. She, in my opinion, was the reason why this movie was so horrifying.

[@hendo337]

Problem is the feminists didn't like the fact that it was so realistic and didn't portray the ridiculous Mary Sue overpowered fwmale characters their agenda insists on in films now.

[@dylanmica1]

Sheep's gon shee0

[@TheBeatriz90]

I agree. Her performance make me cringe. Make me feel what a real woman in that situation would react. There's no problem if you are a bad ass woman but her character wasn't. She was a weak woman who did everything in her power to help a special child and an alchoholic husband.

[@fattyjaybird7505]

Also, Shelly wasnt there to scream and be stupid.... she was real, a submissive, stuck in a marriage with a controlling drunk on the wagon, who gathered the courage to smack him with a bat and save her son

[@sherlockfan2000]

fattyjaybird-Exactly, I'm so tired of people still giving Shelley Duvall crap for her performance, if you ask me I think she was fantastic in the film, which should have been impossible with how she was being psychologically abused by Kubrick the entire time they were filming the movie.

[@fattyjaybird7505]

@@sherlockfan2000 yea, she was great, tho i think Kubrick knew exactly what he was going for, and in all his shittiness, did manage to bring out the pieces of actors that probably weren't in the cuts....

[@thorn262]

​@@sherlockfan2000 I’ve seen all the bits with Stanley seeming to disparage Shelley re: her performance, but could it be that - despite her awards - she’s not such a good actor, that is, without a strong director to mold her perfomances, an Altman, a Woody Allen, a Kubrick, etc? As for ‘abuse’ from Stanley, one example tells me the reverse was true. In ‘The Shining,’ there was an issue with the door, or her hitting her timing marks, etc. Yes, Stanley comes on a bit strong, but then, almost immediately, offers to find some music that might help her expression of mood in the scene. I don’t see this as ‘abuse,’ but a thoughtful director who was attempting to make things as streamlined as possible. With the bit about, ‘I’m losing my hair,’ and Stanley holds up a single-strand of her hair for the camera, Shelley comes across as an attention-seeker, maybe even a bit of a drama-queen. Acting, which can also be so very close to off-camera life, is often an extremely stressful job. Even Nicholson thought this as he’s quoted as saying, "(it’s) the hardest role anyone has ever had to play." I love Shelley’s performance, and I mostly agree with Nicholson, but for some particularly notable exceptions/additions of Maria Falconetti in, 'The Passion of Joan of Arc' and Agnes Moorehead in,,'The Magnificent Ambersons.'

[@andyroobrick-a-brack9355]

The lengths Wendy went to protect Danny was proof she was stronger than she seemed.

[@fattyjaybird7505]

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 and what acting!!! I do believe she was scared out of her mind

[@darleschickens7106]

How on earth is Shelley Duvall’s depiction MORE misogynistic than King’s “blond trophy wife”?

[@brantlambermont1657]

exactly

[@bighuge1060]

The Wendy in the novel -- and miniseries -- is stronger and doesn't obediently follow her husband. "Blonde trophy wife" was a bad choice of words by the author. In all seriousness, the novel is worth the read or listen on audiobook. The ghosts of the Overlook control the father to kill his son, thus allowing the ghosts to feed off the son's psychic powers. That is the main thrust of the novel, I believe (it has been 40 years since I read it).

[@kentjosemateo]

Well said.

[@1eighty]

​@@bighuge1060 Wendy was pretty badass in the film. Yeah she screamed and looked terrified most of the time but she still managed to damage Jack twice, lock him up and escape with her son. To me there´s nothing misogynistic in not representing Wendy as an "independent" woman, if that was the case then the relationship with Jack would feel fake and the movie would be predictable. Wendy screaming and being scared makes you doubt if she and Danny will survive or not. Imagine her being strong, smart and independent, there wouldn´t be any tension building around and Jack would look less menacing.

[@ryanjavierortega8513]

Excellent point, my fellow Flying Burrito Brothers’ fan!

[@greggriffin8020]

I think Shelley's performance in the film is absolutely brilliant.

[@raymondlang]

Shelley's performance is as good as any of the cast. The remake mini series cast were truly awful.

[@haillobster7154]

Shelly's portrayal of Wendy is my favourite character in the movie, one of my favourite female leads, and the most sympathetic by far. Simply lovable and adorable. 😍

[@darrahlane5975]

She was the heart of the movie.

[@Archonsx]

Y'all are pure delusional, that's the WORST acting I've ever seen.

FuzzzWuzzz Couldn't disagree more about Steven Weber--I normally like him, but he was TERRIBLY miscast in that role. I just didn't buy him as a psycho.

[@KEVMAN7987]

Homer: "No beer and no tv make Homer something, something." Marge: "Go crazy?" Homer: "Don't mind if I do!"

[@JayBuccola]

TV! Teacher, mother, secret lover.

[@danbh84]

@@JayBuccola urge to kill rising...!!

[@JayBuccola]

@@danbh84 You've got the shinning. Don't you mean shining - Do you want to get sued?

[@danbh84]

@@JayBuccola gimme the bat Marge... ha - best simpsons ever

[@sophiaandjohnsworld2903]

"I'm coming to rescue the lot of you, -- ahuggh" -Willie

[@indy-fs6de]

"She's basically there to scream and be stupid." I never understood why the film Wendy gets such a bad rap, especially from King. Nothing she does in the film I would consider stupid. She and her family have fallen on hard times to the point where the entire family needs to stay in an isolated location for the entirety of winter for a paycheck. The family is in this position thanks in-part to her husband Jack's alcoholism. She and Danny have most likely both been abused by him. At the hotel, she can be seen fulfilling the entirety of the winter caretaker job that Jack was supposed to do all the while taking care of her 5-year-old son and being nothing but supportive of Jack's writing. She is often criticized for going into hysterics towards the end of the movie, but I honestly feel that her reactions are entirely justified, and I can't really see any decision that she makes as stupid. She locks Jack in the freezer, helps her son to escape while she is fending her murderous husband off, and finds their means of escape. This woman, who has already had a rough life dealing with an abusive alcoholic for a husband and whose son is having issues of his own, did her best to try and save her family, only for all of it to blow up in the course of a day. The woman that King writes about sounds like a male fantasy of what constitutes a "strong female character." Wendy in the film is strong in her own right, screams and all.

[@wtfisditvoorbullshit]

well said

[@rastiga9196]

She is a weak but strong willed blonde in the books, so that's a start to whatever argument you are trying to start about this subject.

[@indy-fs6de]

@@rastiga9196 thanks, dude.

[@jneilson7568]

Thank you, I really feel the same about Wendy here.

[@thorn262]

RJ Tiger No 'strong willed' woman would ever get married to such an obvious abuser, lout, nor would it be tolerated, if there had been a marriage. This is King's embarrassingly dopey, juvenile, fantasy about women. Kubrick is far more attuned to women than King could ever be. And, as all turns out, 'the weaker sex,' is not Wendy.

[@JayBuccola]

I think Kubrick purposefully dragged things out to exhaust the actors so they better displayed how the characters felt.

[@naps3386]

James Buccola Yep, he is known for doing that

[@KEVMAN7987]

Both

[@move_i_got_this5659]

The only problem is he does this with all his movies.

[@beethovensfidelio]

Lord O' Shower That too. Kubrick is a bit of a sadist when you think about it. A little bit of “Shining” trivia: *Kubrick made the cast watch the movie “Eraserhead” in order to get them in an “uneasy” mood.* I’m not against “enforced method acting” per se, but it says something about Kubrick that he resorted to psychological abuse tactics (like bullying Shelley Duvall or making the cast watch “Eraserhead”) in order to get his actors into character. Is it really that hard for actors to PRETEND to be scared or uncomfortable? If you can’t get your actors to “pretend” to be scared because it won’t be “realistic” on camera, then you are a terrible director. Much like scientists who use deception with their experimental subjects, directors need to de-brief and tell the cast that they didn’t mean to use psychological abuse tactics and that they were only used temporarily in order to help the actors give a good performance.

[@springwoodslasher79]

Wow really captain obvious?

[@stews9]

Wendy in Kubrick's version is the single strongest character despite being an abused spouse, which is not misogynistic. It's rather the opposite in showing an abused person staying focused and prevailing despite crippling fear and remembered hammering from hubby-boy.

[@tomnorton4277]

Do you know that reviewer who said "Come on, Stephen King, you can't be this stupid! Oh, wait, you can"? I like that review and I saw it here on KZbin but for the life of me, I can't find it.

[@thorn262]

It's Wendy who 'wins' in the end, ie, survives ('Windy'?). Kubrick, almost uniformly, gives the most powerful, winning, roles to women, even when they might, somehow, be seen as 'weak.' Of course, some might say Jack 'won' because he's a ghost in the Overlook ballroom photo.

[@celestepalm6949]

​@@thorn262 I can guess why Kubrick laughed at his burned up set: The Overlook's hell went up in flames when he fully intended it to freeze over (with Jack trapped forever in it). So yes, in the end Wendy won.

[@redblaze8700]

Fun fact: The guy who played Danny in 'The Shining' didn't know what the movie was about while filming. He only saw an edited version of it after it was released, and didn't learn the truth until he became an adult.

[@WobblesandBean]

Yup, Kubrick, despite putting his adult actors through hell, went out of his way to protect Danny and made sure he was never frightened on set.

[@yohanscold2149]

Another fun fact: Hes a professor at a community college in my hometown of Elizabethtown, KY.

[@danielengel4593]

Ah that's why he acted so stupid, no offense, but kids are not supposed to act in that kind of movies, completely out of place. The fact he did not know what he is doing sums my feels up.

[@celestepalm6949]

@@WobblesandBean He was also protective of the actress playing the underage daughter caught with the 2 Asian businessmen in EWS.

[@markginther6088]

The video refers to England as Kubrick's homeland and later refers to him as an Englander. This suggests Kubrick is a British born, when in fact his was born in Manhattan and raised in the Bronx. He didn't move to the UK till 1961.

[@thorn262]

And, more than that, witlessly accepting that Kubrick is from England, clearly without knowing, checking, or researching, is such an egregiously ignorant statement by Mr. Blo, that this little factoid*-- ALONE -- calls into question most everything else in his supposed 'critique' of 'The Shining.' He hears things, finds rumors - especially the incendiary ones, cuts & pastes them, then -- Voila! -- this week’s ‘review.’ What a grade ‘F’ dunce. *Factoid - A piece of unverified or inaccurate information that is presented in the press as factual, often as part of a publicity effort, and that is then accepted as true because of frequent repetition.

[@watermelonlalala]

He also said the Chief scene of walking in the snow was filmed many times in Oregon, but I don't think that is right as only the second crew filmed in the US.

[@GordonStainforth]

It is just so absurd that this critic can make such a huge basic mistake as this, and still have the cheek to make such a 'knowing' documentary. Imagine making a documentary about Kubrick when you haven't bothered to find out even the most basic facts about him first!

[@totalbliss1]

That subtle FU to King with the VW Beetle's colors by Kubrick is simply brilliant.

[@sega_kid4288]

Stanley Kubrick was not British, homeboy is from New York.

[@xavierpenagos6015]

Sega _Kid the BX to be exact lol

[@gkroll8467]

he was a commie new york jew

[@voodoochile333]

He lived in the uk

[@sega_kid4288]

@@voodoochile333 right but he lived in the US till his he was older. I don't think any "Americanisms" would be lost on him.

[@gkroll8467]

he was born in ny and then moved to the uk jerk off@@voodoochile333

[@R-L-I]

“Wendy swung the baseball bat 42 TIMES” well 42 was also Jackie Robinson’s baseball number (first African American to play in the MLB) see I can do this too!

[@simonjones9157]

R LI except he’s a Multimillionaire world acclaimed director and ur clearly not 😜

[@The_Wayfaring_Smuggler]

42 is also the meaning of life and everything. Thanks for all the fish.

[@JLE8811]

You sir ARE super good at this.

[@RozarSmacco]

Numerology is a load of crap

[@TheRealNormanBates]

Pain-Killer Studios 42 in Japanese is pronounced in such a way that it is identical to how they pronounce the Japanese word for “death”. So the answer for life, the universe and everything is “death”, and it took 42 swings from Wendy to lead to Jack’s death.

[@bwgti]

Whatever it took to make this movie. It was worth it. It is the most frightening movie I have ever seen. It is beautifully shot a framed. The level of detail is amazing. It raised the bar as to what can be expected of a mainstream movie to a stratospheric level.

[@IvanLendl87]

bwgti Agreed.

[@petemoulton3203]

I'm not sure what an Englander is, but it certainly isn't Kubrick. He just lived here.

[@louduva9849]

We adopted him. You can have James Corden.

[@PaulMcElligott]

King didn’t write the novel while staying at the Stanley. He and Tabitha were the only guests there right before the hotel closed for the winter, and that experience inspired the story, but he wrote it back home in Maine. It takes weeks to months to write a novel, and it would be ridiculously expensive to stay at a hotel like the Stanley the whole time.

[@PaulMcElligott]

@@katts6943 You know you was there? Stephen King. He’s recounted this story more than once in interviews. Are you going to call him a liar?

[@The_Wayfaring_Smuggler]

B-Roll footage of the opening sequence was used in the theatrical cut ending in Blade Runner (1982).

[@dawb86]

lol I remember seeing that version on TV a while back with the voiceover and being like "what the hell is this crap?!?"

[@SPAZZOID100]

We know

[@madnero5508]

WTF happened to this movie is Kubrick made a cinematic horror masterpiece that people are still watching and talking about almost 40 years later.

[@spacechimp5141]

the film dragged on. I was more bored than scared. I fell asleep in some parts.

[@terrortower666]

Monkey Face I suppose your the kind of person who’s ruined modern Hollywood horror. People like you, constantly want action after action and not appreciating nor wanting to understand the details of these classics. Instead of enjoying a classic horror with so much to offer from it’s ingenuous writing and the innovating and captivating chills of the brilliant performed scenes, you’d rather it be replaced with action on action on action, just to keep dull minded, jaded audiences like you awake. Normally, I would say just your opinion, but people like you have ruined horror. So for that, fuck you.

[@spacechimp5141]

@@terrortower666 no i enjoy books and classic films like psycho and Dracula. I just thought this movie was not real horror. The Director should've followed the book instead of giving king the finger.

[@bighuge1060]

@@spacechimp5141 The Shining wasn't that well received when it was released in 1980, opening to solidly mixed reviews. Somehow, its risen to become regarded as a horror classic. Moreover, it is now considered a scary, horror classic when in reality, the movie contains very little scares. Tingle Tower's reply was completely off-base and rude; typical of people who can not accept anyone's differing opinion. Kubrick's Shining does indeed have an atmosphere and a style that causes the viewer to feel disconcerted, which is a great thing for a horror movie to have. However, it is extremely slow paced and Nicholson's performance contains a lot of overacting, which a lot of critics noted in their reviews. The look and sound of this movie will make me stop channel surf and watch it most times but there are no scares except for the inhabitant of room 237 and the ax attack in the lobby. that's not much in a movie that is praised as being scary. To counter Carlos' answer, WTF happened was the director unnecessarily went over schedule and overbudget, abused his actors with insane scene takes or, in the case of Shelley Duvall, verbal and mental abuse. The director also didn't give the source material any regard other than to set up the framework for the movie he wanted to make. Those are the facts well-laid out by this video. Given the appreciation of all art is highly subjective, not everyone feels the same about the end product and that's expected. But the facts are there for those who want to be educated about what happened behind the scenes. Those who don't care to be educated if it goes against their beliefs are the ones that attack opinions.

[@Johnnywhamo]

@@spacechimp5141 ......fair enough, that's your opinion, all good. As it is the vast majority of people from film historians to the generations of people in the industry itself recognize it as a masterpiece.

[@Visplight]

Basically King wrote: "So there's this guy [me] who's actually a really good guy, but oh, the demon alcohol makes him crazy - and he's got a total hot wife who's stays with him because he's a really good guy deep down." Then Kubrick and Johnson went: "interesting. But actually, we think maybe this guy is just a jerk deep down, and his wife is still with him cause she's emotionally beaten down and kinda spineless." So clearly King went "WTF I am totally not like that!"

[@MarkoLomovic]

Yeah I don't know why Kubric wanted to make the shining in first place when he had zero interest in source material. I wonder what is story behind that.

[@Visplight]

@@MarkoLomovic He was very interested in the source material - he just came at it from another angle, and had a slightly different interpretation.

[@MarkoLomovic]

@@Visplight Sure but it makes more sense to make something that is inspired by it then call it shining and just ditch everything. I believe that if you are going to do something like this then you should respect author as much as you can.

[@Visplight]

@@MarkoLomovic Because far from "ditching everything," plot-wise it's actually pretty close to the source material. It's just that he did a little tweak to the main character that had some significant implications.

[@maxgonzalez214]

Dear sir or madam: you are a genius!

[@jasonryan1954]

The Shining is one of the best movies ever made. That’s what happened to this movie. A classic no question.

[@charleebrown7188]

Shellley Duvall was superb. I dont know what film you're watching. Its hilarious that you mention the razzy. It thoroughly discredits film critics. This movie may be the best one ever.

[@laurelf.1363]

Kubrick was a perfectionist. I didn't see him being worse to Duvall than to anyone else.

[@teddyadams9959]

Stanley Kubrick was a genius who created the masterpiece. This was one of the best horror movies I've ever seen. Stephen King Did his version of The Shining and what he thought it should be I think it was horrible.

[@alexanderhay-whitton4993]

I'd say this is the ONLY good horror movie ever made (OK, "Psycho"...).

[@bush43disarmedgadhafiofwmd67]

When I was a kid I had a crush on Shelley Duvall. When I got older and liked girls and said they were beautiful my family would say something like " Her and Shelly Duvall"!

[@watermelonlalala]

She was hideous.

[@kylawawa]

She was HOT as fuck

[@user-uy6uc5ey5q]

"Kubrick's homeland of England"? Kurbrick was born and raised in New York. He didn't move to the the UK till he was 34 and spoke with a Bronx accent all his life. That a pretty basic bio fact to get completely wrong.

[@Singedwings]

Kubrick is a genius. Barry Lyndon was one of my all time faves... and so is the Shining- the Shining is a masterpiece. While it might be "different" than Kings vision of his book, it makes it no less a masterpiece of cinematography and horror.

[@ForrestFox626]

Did he have to be a jackass about it?

[@LiirThropp2687]

Glad to see support for Shelley in the comments. Always liked her and her performance in this film. Jack Nicholson himself said he's never seen an actor work so hard or endure so much as Shelley did on the set of The Shining. Kubrick put her through hell. Jack said she had the toughest job of any co-star he's worked with.

[@rafaeltogami]

Kubrick was a genius, one in a billion in his craft. Too bad he usually took too far pursuing “perfection”, trying too hard to express his visions (and particular subtle details) even to the expense of making other “imperfections”. On the other hand, I think this video should mention about the care he had with little Danny, trying to make him happy and smile in the set. He never exposed the kid to violence or other horrors during the production of the movie, even using a Danny-sized doll when Jack and Wendy were having an argument, just to save the kid from the stressful scene (Danny Lloyd, who played Danny Torrance, realized The Shining was a terrifying movie much later when he saw it. At the time he thought it was a drama movie). Kubrick really pushed Duvall, much more than needed, being very abusive and always looking down on her. She was both physically and mentally exhausted, and thinking Kubrick hated her and her performance in the movie. But in later interviews he praised Duvall’s acting. Apparently he was treating her that way to get “the best out of her“. Would the movie be as good as it is if Kubrick was nice to his actors and crew? Well, in the movie it really looks like the actors were giving all they got and Kubrick squeezed even more from them, but I think it was totally unnecessary. Stephen King is not really my thing... I do respect his career, all his books and, most impressive, his ideas, but I tried to read some of his books and (my opinion, not trying to offend him, I admire his accomplishments and him as a person) and I always think how good his ideas are, but how repetitively and poorly he develops them. His stories are great, but somehow (IMO) they just got lost, or focused in a smaller way, or twisted just to fit the book... hard to explain, but I think Kubrick might felt something similar to The Shining book. I’m with the half who thinks the movie is far superior than the book. Nonetheless, this movie is good in many ways (acting, location, directing, story (adaptation), mood, lose strings...).

[@tomnorton4277]

Loose ends are usually a weakness if they're used in movies. They're generally the result of a cliffhanger which means a sequel is mandatory in order to finish the story. Kubrick and Todd Philips however know how to turn them into a strength. The trick is to finish the story first and THEN add a little bit extra that makes people wonder "why is that there?"

[@rafaeltogami]

Tom Norton Yeah, in this case having all those loose ends are much better than straight answers. I really like how the movie resembles a dream, like that odd conversation in the bathroom, the weird architecture of the hallways and rooms, even the final photograph... like in a dream those things don’t make sense (and we really don’t care about them when sleeping). It’s funny to think about Kubrick making this movie this way just to mess with our heads.

[@tomnorton4277]

​@@rafaeltogami This is why Joker reminds me so much of The Shining. Not only does it make you question how much of the movie is in the protagonists head, but it finishes the story and ties up the loose ends before Todd Philips taunts us with that little extra scene in Arkham. People speculate about why it's there, just like the final photo in The Shining, but Joker simply tells us that we "wouldn't get it". I hope nobody ever confirms why that scene is there. It's a mystery that I don't need or even want to be solved.

[@rafaeltogami]

@@tomnorton4277 Good to know! I'm going to see Joker in 1 hour, I'll pay extra attention to what you mentioned!!!!

[@tomnorton4277]

@@rafaeltogami Did I give away the ending? I assumed you'd already seen Joker but if you haven't, I apologise.

[@handsolo1076]

Novel was a good read...the movie was epic! The tv movie was like an after school special!

[@redseagaming7832]

I am never watching Stanley Kubrick's The Shining I'm okay with watching videos about it but it's a slap in the face to Stephen King

[@handsolo1076]

@@redseagaming7832 One could say Maximum Overdrive is a slap in the face to SK, but he directed it. 😜. The man is beautifully relentless, an artist, like Kubrick. Don't you want to see what caused such a hostile reaction from King? As fan of cinema, you're missing out. Watch it, think about & leave comment on here. As a 11 year old kid, the trailer itself gave me nightmares! Happy Halloween!

[@fungusamongus9686]

RED SEA GAMING at least he still put an effort in making the film.

[@redseagaming7832]

@@fungusamongus9686 I agree but Kubrick should have took what Stephen King wrote in his screenplay Stanley Kubrick did a good job with the movie but in regards to his respect for Stephen King's work not so much

[@handsolo1076]

@@redseagaming7832 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJyXk36CaJdrgsk 🎥 The Dick Cavett Show Horror Masters Stephen King ... - KZbin Very interesting interview. No hostility towards Kubrick when there could have been.

[@kali3665]

Willie: Boy! You've got the Shinnin'! Bart: You mean, Shining! Willie: QUIET! You want to get sued?!! :-)

[@normanmacfarlane3049]

Barry Lyndon is now an absolute classic. I saw it at the cinema when first released and I thought it brilliant.

[@AtheistOrphan]

Ignoring all the conspiracy crap, here’s a GENUINE odd fact: The Steeleye Span LP ‘Commoner’s Crown’ can clearly be seen on the floor at the left of Halloran’s room. Who knew that Halloran would be a fan of British folk-rock?

[@andrewgriffin2366]

That is because actor Peter Sellers played ukulele on the song "New York Girls," which appears on the 1975 "Commoner's Crown" album.

[@AtheistOrphan]

Red Dirt Report - So that explains why Halloran is a Span fan? Ok. (‘Can’t you dance the polka?’)

[@bentonybizzarinarierinzer7315]

Anyone else think that jack nicholson looks amazing with a turtle neck

[@marysutton434]

I think so.

[@WobblesandBean]

Yup

[@sandhyayogitha9124]

Yeah

[@jellybeanz1989]

Couldn't he be referencing the Apollo11 moon landing WITHOUT saying that he faked it? Referencing the moon landing doesn't automatically mean "I faked it" Lol.

[@RobinEvans1234]

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[@halfpickle]

@cohenhaywood10 The radiation dose passing through the van allen belts at the kind of speeds we used to go to the moon is totes survivable, especially in a shielded spacecraft. Sure, if you somehow parked yourself in space in the midst of them, you'd die, but that's like saying nobody ever went to Europe because if you tread water in the middle of the ocean you'll drown. Also, using a bunch of scare quotation marks makes you sound crazy, man, no matter what you're saying.

[@DeadPixel1105]

@cohenhaywood10 Your spelling, grammar, and punctuation is on par with a child's, but sure - I'll listen to you regarding the moon landing. I'm sure you know what you're talking about. The man who can't even construct a proper sentence is going to tell us all about the laws of physics and the cosmos! How fascinating!

[@totalwartimelapses6359]

@Oggatha Christie Why the hell would he feel guilty about that? what's to feel guilty about?

[@totalwartimelapses6359]

Exactly I don't get how the hell just mentioning the landings means he's subtly telling us that he faked them

[@panzram31614]

15:15 "The use of disturbing Native American music and sound effects"? Are you talking about the soundtrack featuring Polish native Penderecki ("Polymorphia", "Dream of Jacob", "Utrenja"); Hungarian natives Ligeti ("Lontano") and Bartok ("Music for Strings, Percussion; and Celeste"); and New England native Wendy Carlos (all other incidental music throughout the film, including Latin liturgical motif "Dies Irae" during the opening credits)? Are we listening to the same European musical works that do not feature tribal elements, but in fact have Catholic themes? The chanting during the scene when Jack is hunting Danny in the kitchen is not a shamanistic ritual featuring some medicine man emerging from a smoke-filled wigwam, but is from Penderecki's "Utrenja" which is -- wait for it -- about the crucifixion of Christ. Nothing to do with "Native America". I think if Kubrick wanted to weave such a sonic aesthetic into The Shining's tapestry, he would have used actual indigenous tribal sounds. Did my ears miss something somewhere?

[@johnwatson3948]

8:02 Scatman Crothers was not subjected to frigid winter conditions in Oregon - the shot was done at the re-created section of the Timberline Lodge at the Studio in the UK. As noted earlier Kubrick does not leave the UK to shoot his movies.

[@WayTooClose]

But he did hire cameramen in the US to shoot footage in the northwest (Oregon, iirc) for the opening titles & hotel exteriors.

[@matt98785]

Duvall said later that she respects Kubrick in an interview and she doesn’t hate him you should probably check your information

[@MikeJohnson-yh4lg]

Duvall never said anything about being abused by Kubrick when the movie opened. If she was being treated too poorly, she could have and probably would have just quit. Kubrick was already well known for his multiple takes and his perfectionism, so she knew what she was getting into and besides, it’s probably her best known movie. I’d imagine she gets residuals from it and that probably helps ease the pain.

[@kylawawa]

@@MikeJohnson-yh4lg well look at the bts of the shining

[@kylawawa]

@Nic Rock well he didn't have to traumatize her

[@beethovensfidelio]

Mike Johnson Assuming Shelley wasn’t under contract, I agree with you that Shelley could leave the production if it got too much for her.

[@sebastiannoir5712]

@@kylawawa pathetic attempt to whiteknight. women have agency ::: :

[@Phukugoooglification]

11:31 The Kubrick set caught on fire and burnt down then later used to build a new set for the Steven Spielberg... what a coincident.

[@renatateofilo9887]

So sad that Shelley Duvall is very ill with a mental illness. She´s very talented. And those conspirancy theories are crap.

[@TiffanyRay]

she didn't deserve the hell shes been put through poor woman :( I hope shes doing ok

[@renatateofilo9887]

@@TiffanyRay I hope she's doing ok too.

[@gkroll8467]

she was driven crazy by stan the man ego maniac what kind of man puts on his poster a masterpeice of modern horror pretty big claim when it was a masterpiece of modern ho hum

[@thorgrootsweetrabbit2244]

Look at all the butt hurt bleeding hearts, she was well compensated for her trouble, she wasn't a slave she could have walked away at any time.

[@renatateofilo9887]

@@thorgrootsweetrabbit2244 She was a professional, even with a nervous breakdown on set she did continue. And it seems even doing 100 takes, she did the job she was payed to do. Nobody's butt hurt here, but you. Go be an asshole without empathy somewhere else.

[@thatguyoverthere2755]

Nothing but respect for my girl Shelly. I felt she was brave and acted amazingly. You really felt her fear and dread. I do blame Stanly Kubrick for her current state. Poor girl. I like to remember her for who she was, not how she is now.

[@sunsetjunior9313]

King may be good at what he does, but Kubrick is nothing less than a legend.

[@liamarunbennett8282]

it's a masterpiece, that's wtf happened to it... "i've seen it over 25 times, one of my favorite pictures" - Steven Spielberg

[@Grumpy-Fallboy]

Nice compilation of info, thanks....

[@corkydelarge4440]

217 was NOT an actual room at the Timberland. That is certainly NOT the reason it was changed to 237.

[@corkydelarge4440]

The publicized number is 237,000 miles. But if nobody went, the number is meaningless. By using the Pythagorean formula for right triangles, the sun is approximately 3 to 4 thousand miles away. The moon would have to be slightly closer.

[@adanvargas2339]

Yo, everyone, it’s Timberline Lodge, not Timberland. Timberland is a clothing brand. Timberline, is a Lodge on Mt. Hood, in Oregon.

[@SayMy_User_Name]

The epitome of life in the KZbin era: - sees one clip of Kubrick saying “don’t sympathize with Shelly” to a crew member = Kubrick can be seen berading, ignoring and insulting duvall while urging crew members to avoid showing her ANY sympathy”

[@watermelonlalala]

The any sympathy remark was kind of cute as you can see them both smiling a bit at each other. But, overall, the way he treated her wasn't cute.

[@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165]

"Making the Shining" is shown horribly out of context here. (6min mark.) Scatman Crothers seems to be in pain, when he was actually crying bc he said he was grateful to work on the film, ("filmed *entirely* in England") except at the 8min mark where Crothers was "filmed in Oregon", so wt?? Vivian & Stanley both edited the doc film, but had the BBC do a blind watch of both edits to pick the best one. They chose Vivian's, & it can be found on YT. *Duvall praised Kubrick as the Best Director Ever* , and said the way in which they volleyed back & forth was brilliant. This vid keeps using the word "allegedly", followed by *"The CREW denies this."* so this seems to be a gossip piece more than anything. I'm not going to say that Kubrick was the "G.D. ever", or even the greatest human. I'm just going to encourage ppl to watch the doc.✌

[@watermelonlalala]

@@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165 It's that doc which has Duvall saying she suffered so much at Stanley's hands that makes her seem like a victim and him seem a like sadist. But she thanks him for doing that to her so she could learn and give a better performance. This makes her seem like a person in denial. There was nothing so special about that performance. She was already a professional actress. Also, before the internet the same process existed, somebody would write one line in an article about a star doing or saying something and other writers and commentators would add layers of interpretation to that line over the years until they made a mountain out of molehill.

[@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165]

@@watermelonlalala I was replying to provide an *origin* for the clips, inform that they were shown out of context, and encourage ppl to check out the documentary.💗

[@WobblesandBean]

Um...it's been backed up many many, times that she was terrorized on set. Don't you have a MGTOW meetup to be at, or something?

[@thereisnocarolinHR]

I love Shelly. She is red and snotty and just scared out of her mind. I can’t imagine the fear of realizing you are the only one of two adults for miles that is not totally insane.

[@ryanjavierortega8513]

Great research on this video essay!

[@Dirkschneider]

"WTF happened to this movie?" Perfection happened

[@DankNSpank]

Damn, this makes me appreciate this movie so much more. Kudos to the cast and crew.

[@sociopathfrank1086]

Stanley Kubrick actually scrapped the Aryan Papers because he didn’t think releasing another Holocaust Film around the release of Schindler’s List would be right. Also, his wife mentioned that Kubrick got depressed from the research he did for the film, he would’ve gotten more depressed if he filmed the movie.

[@MrJC1]

I find it to be mostly ironic that Kubrick chose Kings novel based on its strength of content, when he himself considered Kings writing to be "weak". Lols!!

[@Noone-of-your-Business]

He was not referring to King's writing in general, but to his ability to write a screen play. Which is _very_ different from writing a novel. Just look at J.K. Rowling's latest Grindelwald atrocity: how could an author who wrote an entire series of generally agreed well written novels produce such a bad movie? Simple: she wrote the screenplay herself. For the Potter movies - which turned out generally nicely - she had screen writers doing that for her.

[@krystalrayne5235]

@@Noone-of-your-Business yes, people tend to think that writing novels and writing screenplays are the same

[@kathybrem880]

MrJC1 i absolutely hated Kubricks stupid mess-Kings novel was fantastic but Kubrick mangled it!

[@666cfc]

You sound like a Kid in a math class saying algebra is stupid. Just because people don’t understand something and it makes them feel stupid, does not equate to the said something being stupid. Besides, saying something is stupid as opposed to wonderful makes me doubt you language skills. Opposite of stupid is smart, just like the opposite of wonderful is ugly😉

[@Visplight]

Good idea, bad execution.

[@fredflintstone7943]

Even at a stretch the carpet pattern looks NOTHING like a launch pad.

[@hotmarriedgays]

...and the carpet was designed by interior designer David Hicks in the 1960s....not Kubrick.

[@djhenyo]

@@hotmarriedgays Who chose that carpet pattern and why? Relevancy, my dear Watson. On a side note, it's a far-fetched theory.

[@hotmarriedgays]

@@djhenyo i always assumed he simply wanted a bold, maze-like pattern to ground the scenes visually (and tie into the topiary maze and suggestions of being trapped). With all the profound themes in The Shining people could dive into for hours...hidden messages about the Apollo landing seem the least interesting.

[@nickmattio3397]

Btw in Jack’s Interview, Grady’s first name was Charles but in the hotel he calls him first Jeeves and then Delbert and thinks he British, and also Ulman said Grady’s daughters were 8 and 10 years old but Danny sees them as Twins...

[@watermelonlalala]

Jeeves is a an old joke name for a butler. I heard one theory that Delbert was Charles' father, they both worked at the hotel in different eras. Just a theory.

[@rossdiamondthief6627]

Please keep making more of these videos!!!

[@Caesar13ism]

One of the more bizarre trivia elements in the film, to me at least, pointed out in the documentary about all the crazy conspiracy theories is that Jack is reading a copy of Playgirl in the lobby while he's waiting to be interviewed for the job. I suppose you could say it was just a sign of the times that such a mag would be laying around a hotel lobby then, but it is weird. Very weird.

[@racheltheehermit7314]

His character is supposed to write for the magazine. I think the article on incest is supposed to foreshadow Jack’s suspicions Wendy is alienating Danny’s affections: “It’s his mother.”

[@User-xw6kd]

"Homeland of England" uhh pretty sure Kubrick was American.

[@MikeJohnson-yh4lg]

Shammo Hamid Correct. He was born in Manhattan, New York.

[@nickmattio3397]

“Wennnddyyyy...>:•D....You Got A BIG Surprise Coming To You...”

*"GO CHECK IT OUTTTT!*"

[@cacofonix000]

I feel it is only due to Duvalls performance that the film is a HORROR film. She brings the fear to life.

[@77Beatlefan]

I love these videos! Please keep making more

[@booksmaps]

The prints were lost in Room 237...

[@kellyweingart3692]

😂

[@dracolgold]

well 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything!

[@Proudtrekkie96]

Ha!

[@melissamaylath4910]

I do understand why King was not happy. But when someone else does adaption of your novel into a movie they put their interpation into it. Chances the writer is not going to be happy with the end result. King did a film version of The Shining which was closer to the novel . King even had a cameo in it. It wasn't a bad version. I think the newer version of the Shining is unfortunately extremely underrated. People should give it a chance.

[@Spacehog1981]

King was wrong, Kubrick was right. Watching the 1997 version proved that.

[@AtheistOrphan]

8:02 - Wrong. That scene was NOT shot in Oregon, but on the Elstree backlot

[@martinsorenson1055]

Thank you! He should have known that that was an "outdoor" set created for the movie. Besides, his information contradicts the knowledge that Kubrick didn't travel (Kubrick wasn't in Oregon to oversee the 42 takes of Crothers).

[@daleturner]

"WTF happened?" The film came out, and is regarded as one of the best films ever made. Kubrick is King. Along with everyone else involved in the film. AND the music as well.

[@donniehagy5125]

You better go check some critics' reviews on that statement because, at best, it was not very well received.

[@daleturner]

@@donniehagy5125 Yes, I "better."

[@QaatilXIII]

@@donniehagy5125 cry about it. It's a masterpiece.

[@tempolost]

Nice vid dude

[@dominic4072]

Very interesting! Thank you!

[@TheFlipped1]

"What's the meaning of life?" 42.. ~"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"~ O.o

[@SuperNintendoEntertainers]

You should do an episode on The Thief and The Cobbler.

[@newhorizon4066]

Just like Spielberg who tried his hands at comedy - failing miserably with "1941" - and knew to cut his losses, Kubrick did same at horror with "The Shining." First and last horror flick from this master. Wisemen indeed!

[@jacarter79]

I know basically every part of this movie by heart but I never noticed the red car crushed by the 18 wheeler trailer. This shows you learn something new every day.

[@wordofwrestling6103]

I feel like I’m the only one that finds jacks frozen body to be too comedic for the movie. It looks so silly 🤷‍♂️

[@kathybrem880]

Word Of Wrestling it was goofy, didn’t follow the novel at all-complete disappointment

Word Of Wrestling Well, it looks silly now, but when I saw it for the first time as a kid, it scared the CRAP out of me!

[@wordofwrestling6103]

lurch321 that makes me wonder if adults thought it was scary back in the day.

[@gloriamontgomery6900]

You are so right. It is just hilarious

[@jackjjorgensen2501]

If this is because of his facial expression, then you’ve overlooked (no pun intended) a major detail. The facial expression he has when he’s frozen is the same as when he takes a drink for the first time in the hotel, which marked his death.

[@beethovensfidelio]

Suggestions for future episodes of “WTF Happened To this Movie?”: - “I Love Trouble” with Julia Roberts and Nick Nolte - “Heaven’s Gate” - “The Bonfire of the Vanities”

[@teddyfurstman1997]

Ghostbuster 2016 reboot, The Room, Godfather Part III, Dark Phenix

[@jeanpablodelizdavila3456]

Suicide Squad, Event Horizon, Death Note (2017), Venom, Hellboy (2019), The Wolfman (2010), John Carter, Hancock

[@kellyweingart3692]

Star Trek V Poltergeist 2001: A Space Odyssey

[@JankyMctango1997]

Forgot about Heaven's Gate. Would like to see a WTF on that one. Good call.

[@jeanpablodelizdavila3456]

@@JankyMctango1997 Heaven's Gate is a no brainer, that movie is legendary for being (and still is) one of the biggest box office bombs in history, adjust for inflation, when you take in account it's budget of $44 million ($137 million in 2019) and it's total gross of $3.5 million ($10 million in 2019) and factor in the losses of $37 million ($144 million in 2019).

[@cmonhitme419]

@3.45 well done, good research!!

[@meraxesrex6982]

she's not stupid. she's sweet and vulnerable, which has s a great dramatic impact.

[@SPAZZOID100]

What happened to this movie?? It became a masterpiece visually and performance wise. King’s remake was terrible on every level, and was very quickly forgotten.

[@Derpy1969]

The moon hoax theory is the biggest bunch of crap I’ve ever heard.

[@d-mo733]

BUT Proving that The Moon Landing IS REAL is a bunch of crap too and either way, there are so many proofs to be had in either theory so none of us REGULAR Ppl know the truth! Wheres the without a doubt evidence its real?! Buzz Aldron even slipped up n said it didnt happen so we may never know..In order to PROVE they can go, they just need to stfu about the 69 mission and GO BACK and do it again then! If they truly went then why tf not go again n prove it?! I am on the fence til then..Maybe they did but maybe they didnt! Alot of evidence for both sides

[@Axess-sv8nq]

It's interesting that people will attack someone for questioning an 'official story' rather than look at the possibilities they're bringing up. It's fear and cognitive dissonance on full display. People remain ignorant usually more out of fear than anything else. Thinking outside the box removes them from the safety of 'the pack'. So, they'd rather bark and whine at someone who does.

[@Axess-sv8nq]

Hey @John Lester , how could NEARLY AN ENTIRE COUNTRY OF PEOPLE stay silent about what was going on in Germany's concentration camps during World War II? Let me help you out. THEY DID. The allied soldiers from the west who found those camps were completely in SHOCK. They had no idea of what was going on.

[@Axess-sv8nq]

And let me tell you another thing. The same thing happened with 9/11. People in the know were told to stay silent or else they would suffer consequences. I know because my late brother had several friends who owned the companies that were involved in the clean-up after the fact. I don't give 2 shits if you take my word for it or not. You already have your blinders on. But, those who dare ask questions know different.

[@Axess-sv8nq]

Don't expect a big argument about this either. I don't waste a lot of time having intellectual battles with the unarmed. Have a nice day, John.

[@joleo6333]

nice review bro

[@gmauger]

If you think this movie is sub-par, you need to get your head checked. Brilliant cinematography and acting.

[@EWUFBIiswatching]

Kubrick had an IQ of nearly 200. Trying to get a massive project full of multiple people to accurately represent his vision must have been very difficult for Kubrick. It’s no wonder he drove everyone beyond their breaking points, he was going mad himself.

[@johnwatson3948]

The Shining moon landing conspiracy “not all that farfetched” - is there something in the water where you live?

[@nathanbradleyf777]

I also don't think it's that farfetched.

[@alexnikolas1991]

Neither do I although I used to as many still do but when personal bias is laid aside in order to examine the evidence with an open mind there really is only one logical conclusion and it's one which is only becoming all that much more abundantly clear with the passage of time. Indeed the truth is stranger than fiction.

[@juzujuzu4555]

The moon landing conspiracy is 100% on the film, but that's just part of the film. There are much much more evidence on the film that any published video explains. If you research all the things that are physically impossible or wrong in the official apollo story, you can find all those on The Shining. Kubrick's Odyssey is pretty great video that explains the most obvious evidence in great way. It's on youtube with horrible quality, so I suggest finding it somewhere else or download it from pirate bay. Most conspiracies that spread globally in Pre-internet era are true. Or at least partially true in that the official story is a lie. When social media etc. got popular, things like flat earth was created to destroy the credibility of conspiracies and make people fear of being ridiculed. It's amazingly effective method, but only works to postpone truths.

[@johnwatson3948]

So you might know - what’s the Tin-Hat explanation for why no US enemy has ever agreed with or used any of this obvious evidence to disprove the moon landings?

[@juzujuzu4555]

@@johnwatson3948 If you truly want to know about this subject and actually get 100% convinced, watch this thorough documentary that explains all off the questions in a way that truly satisfies skeptics. www.bitchute.com/video/eZramDBFkXRU/ I want to peak your interest by asking, why hasn't US enemy provided information about JFK assassination or September II event. Also I think many sources debunked moon landing, some proved it's physically impossible even on the 60s, but it's not like that stuff would be published in Western media. That documentary is so great, not because moon landing is important topic, but because it opens your eyes to how everything can be faked, and how easy it actually is when we don't have actually free media.

[@kingsoren2010]

Stephen king is one of my favorite writers, have most of his novels. I always read the book first when there's going to a movie about it.So much detail is missing when it's a movie.

[@Jimvanhise]

Kubrick didn't understand King's novel. The book is about the family, the destruction of Jack Torrance and their rescue by Halloran. But Kubrick killed off Halloran for a cheap shock effect and then had the stupid ending of Jack Torrance freezing to death. The book also has a climax. The movie doesn't.

[@celestepalm6949]

Probably what pissed Stephen King off the most about Kubrick's 'Shining' is that the most frightening moments in the film that everyone remembers weren't even from his book.

[@matsujonen]

The shining was a decent movie, but it isn't a scary movie nor the best movie ever made. It's just a decent horror film.

[@sashalabdog]

Correction at 8:12 - The scene of Hallorann walking through the snow was shot on the back lot of Elstree studios in England and not on location in Oregon.

[@kennethcook8857]

There is no "Snowcat" in the novel, just a snowmobile.

[@pavre69]

"Doctor sleep" brought me here..its a good movie btw

[@notsogreen]

Dr Sleep put me to sleep shouldn't be known as a sequel to this masterpiece.

[@evantaylor2935]

Its a pretty scary movie. The Shining is my favorite horror movie...and it is a great sequal.

[@666cfc]

It’s not a sequel to the The Shining(1980). It’s a sequel to the book and TV show. Just because they are using music and some images from the 1980’s movie, nothing, from Dr Sleep book or the movie, is related to it. Dr Sleep is just another King novel with all the cliches he’s been coughing up since the 70s. His Lovecraftian horror is a bit outdated in 2020 and has been fading since the early 80s. He should stick to writing gems like Misery, Stand By Me, Dolores Claybourne and that type of stories, cause they are definitely more original and heartfelt, then recycling his lazy horror stories which hold no substance whatsoever.

[@evantaylor2935]

@@666cfc so wendy just randomly completely changed the way she looked?

[@jurekavcic4369]

@@666cfc it is a sequel to the shining (1980) and the book.

[@willmaas187]

I can’t watch this movie without thinking of The Simpsons 😂 *THE SHININ* (I don’t want to get sued)

[@tonyhodgin1158]

Breezy Mink Homer “No Beer no TV makes Homer, something something.” Marge “Go Crazy.” Homer “Don’t my mind if I do.”

[@DaveyMulholland]

The internet needs another "The Shining" video

[@anaximander66]

Not every actor is at Nicholson's skill level. The trick of excessive takes is deployed by many great directors. Some actors are aware that they are filming a movie and are not emerging themselves into the role as the director wants. You can see this in a conversation with Duvall and Kubrick about her flinching at Nicholson's dialogue. After many takes they settle into the scene. Nicholas Meyer, in his commentary on Star Trek 6 said that in order to get Shatner to settle down he had to take many many takes. Additionally, some of the arguments that Kubrick had with Duvall also may have been an old director's trick. Robert Loggia said that David Lynch accused him of whispering when he felt he was yelling. Lynch successfully manipulated him to get the performance he wanted. Same thing with Rob Reiner in "Stand By Me." It's not as straightforward as just instructing an actor, sometimes you have to find creative communication methods.

[@ValentinPasseraH]

Propagating rumors with not a single seconds of perspective on the why

[@RobertMorgan]

If you want that, there are several youtube videos about Eyes Wide Shut you can watch that are MANY times longer than the actual movie, which analyze and explain the symbolism of every element, in every single shot.

[@adriansherlockdamondark.1094]

It became a masterpiece. That's what happened.

[@margaretbuckley9309]

Well said adrian a masterpiece They just dont make them like they used to ? Hollywood is a sad place today The golden days of cinema is gone

[@claudio_gonzalo]

after the pandemic even more

[@johnsohn653]

It's common knowledge Kubrick helped NASA stage the moon landing. He was such a perfectionist he insisted they film it on location

[@sams2800]

Oh my what a nightmare 😭Shelly did not deserve the treatment because her performance is brilliant and i would say every actor did a very great job in the movie.

[@dane3886]

6:30 , He miss treated them for the purpose of their performances since the subtext suggests that they represent the historically oppressed.

[@galleryofrogues]

Dane There’s this thing called ACTING..

[@adanvargas2339]

Miss treated. I love how everyone is a boy licker for actors. I’m in the film industry. You know the other name for acting, used in the industry, it’s called playing. Acting isn’t hard work. Exhausting, maybe. But not difficult. Play can never be difficult, because at the end of the day, it’s just that - play. Also, it’s glaringly obvious that anyone who takes those three hairs that Shelley holds up as proof she’s losing her hair, has never lived with women. My wife and two daughters, after they brush their hair, pull like a hundred hairs out of the brush afterwards. Do they freak out and think they are losing their hair? No, it’s normal hair shedding. Which is why Kubrick also thought it was funny. Having had two wives, and all daughters. He was also familiar with what it looks like in a brush after someone with long hair has brushed.

[@cbishop41483]

2 razzys???!!! Proof positive CRITICS HAVE NEVER HAD A PHLUCKIN CLUE!!!!!😉

[@thorgrootsweetrabbit2244]

@Stix N' Stones Even more so back then, snobbery among critics is universal.

[@chiefscheider]

The razzie awards have nothing to do with critics, bozos. They were started by a few UCLA film grads and a douchebag publicist

[@kathybrem880]

Chris B. Should gotten even more!

[@chiefscheider]

You forgot _have,_ Kathy. Oops.

[@86adamleon]

Wendy was not a misogynistic character by any stretch of the imagination. She is a battered wife, trapped by her murderous insane husband, and she keeps getting the better of him. Her acting is on par or better than Jack's, because she was pushed to such extreme levels, and the results are uncanny.

[@rodJtip]

A while back I saw commentary on the King / Kubrick rift that was more sympathetic to Stanly. The argument was made that Kubrick was aiming right at King for some valid reasons. I won't argue either side. Really it's like watching King Kong and Godzilla have it out. What a show. As far as the rest, it was a brilliant trainwreck. The documentary Hearts of Darkness comes to mind. If you have Netflix, I'd recommend "Film Worker".

A side note about Nicholson: Kubrick worked him over so hard that he vowed to never work with him again. And...……………..he never did.

[@666cfc]

Side note to yourself: find an interview with Jack talking about Stanley saying that out of all great directors he’s ever work with, Stanley was DA man, hence the expression: «Stan The Man». And stop talking bollocks or show me where he said that