The shocking cost of EV battery replacement for these 3 brands

[@vorpalinferno9711]

Battery packs should be modular so that consumers have the option to replace or upgrade them as better batteries are developed. Power to the consumer!

[@larryc1616]

In short time will happen

[@leiflillandt1488]

Organisations like the EU Commission could demand such a thing. Plain and simple.

[@outkast40]

It's been reported that the new Tesla model years will be upgradeable.

[@spadjustersshubert2872]

Great comment

[@mikel4879]

vorpalinf9 • "...should be..." Why do you think it isn't?🥴 They do it intentionally like that, so in time you are forced to sell your EV at a loss and buy a newer one. It is one of the biggest "legal" scam in the history of car manufacturing.😏

[@yggdrasil9039]

It's really an own-goal for Hyundai, BMW and others to be openly charging these kinds of prices. I nearly bought a second hand 2018 Ioniq recently until I phoned up the Hyundai dealership to get a quote for a replacement battery pack in case it went wrong. That quote ended my purchase of the second hand Ioniq then and there.

[@cbcdesign001]

Yep, not to mention the effect it has on insurance quotes too. Its hardly surprising that insurance companies charge sky high prices when battery replacement is such a mine field of uncertainly and potentially very high costs.

[@jamiea8318]

@@cbcdesign001Insurance doesn’t cover mechanical failures on any car. That’s what warranties are for. Also, very few EV batteries actually die. Most last a decade+ before becoming reused for non-car use or recycled.

[@polska905]

Recently in the news here in Canada a guy had his battery fail in his 6 year old hyundai just out of warranty and the replacement cost with labour was just over 50000 Canadian dollars...

[@justdigit]

It's actually more than 60k CAD. Insane!

[@polska905]

@@justdigit yeah, it's a massive rip off

[@RobertNZ]

I spoke directly to Nissan NZ about battery replacements when I was on the cusp of buying a 2nd hand Leaf. They told me in no uncertain terms that they will never supply a New Zealand customer with a replacement battery. The end. Seriously. No estimates, no alternatives .... just a big fat NO. In Australia, a gent by the name of Phillip Carlson was famously charged $33,000AUD for a leaf battery by Nissan themselves. I would love to hear anyone elses take on this.

[@LPerezDancer]

great info as always Viking. Our prayers are with you and your family, especially for your wife

[@electricviking]

Much appreciated

[@christosswc]

Is why I'm holding on to my 2009 Octavia, 14 years and going strong. Better pay the running costs of an old car than paying a fortune for an EV. Of course an old car is no status symbol but I prefer early retirement to showing off to the neighbors.

[@henvan8737]

Yes but a dealer in Queensland tried to charge a Nissan Leaf owner over A$30,000 a couple of years ago. It was all over the Australian news at the time, this certainly didn't help Nissan sales.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

another reason to eliminate stealerships!1

[@nickclarkuk]

I have seen 2 cases on KZbin where Kia in Canada has written off Ionic 5s and charged charged $60,000 to the owners where the damage to the pack is very minor and no errors reported by the vehicle . It makes me want to stick to ICE vehicles for now .

[@jbmop]

It really is crazy. I’m afraid to buy an EV.

[@davidwebster2616]

Just paid 3,200 USD for a new battery for my 2012 Toyota Prius (4.4 kWh?). This was at the dealership.

[@DiabloVan]

it costs 60K CAD to replace the Ioniq 5 battery in Canada.

[@knuth.nyhagen82]

It is starting. It is possible to open damaged battery packs and replace a broken single battery, or even all the single small batteries inside the pack. Soon I believe we will see companies that will be certified to refurbish old battery packs. And perhaps even exchange the batteries from NMC to phosphat or sodium batteries. This will be a whole new business. Different producers of the small batteries already excist, both NMC and phosphat, and probably soon also sodium - lf not already. As a consequense, new batteries and battery packs will become much cheaper due to competition, and no more monopoly by the car brands. Already now a few startups in Northern Europe has started planning for this.

[@donaldduck5731]

Surprised companions making aftermarket replacement batteries haven’t sprung up yet, it’s only a matter of time until it’ll be possible to buy and put a CATL Qilin battery pack into an old Chevy Volt or Nissan Leaf and quadruple it’s range.

[@Jz-fj5ki]

RECENTLY IN CANADA HYUNDAI IONIC 5 battery replacement cost the owner 60000 Canadian dollars. HIS car was just 1 year old he scraped his car underbelly somewhere and the battery got damaged. He tried for a warranty but was denied because of its physical damage. The insurance company will write off the car since repairing it is higher than the value of the car.

[@advancetotabletop5328]

Still a better deal than manufacturer’s ink jet cartridges, right? :D Anyway, and this is everything from printers to buying a house, make sure you research the *ongoing* costs of a purchase, not just the upfront costs. These companies can charge for a battery because customers don’t look beyond the initial purchase of the car. Thanks for the video and awesome pic on the wall! (:

[@AlanMasliuk]

My 2018 ford focus electric has 95000kms and battery now being replaced. In discussion with the dealership they say the cost of the pack is between 5-8k for the 33kwh pack not including teardown and installation. Getting it done under the battery warranty, but I am shocked that it failed so early.

[@bill6732]

Why are you shocked? I'm amazed it lasted that long.

[@hsuonsivu1]

When asking for a price of Nissan Leaf battery replacement in Finland, they quoted very high prices, so this is not uniform, but varies country by country. Currently replacements are third party and they use used batteries from totaled cars, as there are no new batteries available at reasonable cost.

[@yggdrasil9039]

This information needs to be on a single one page table so we consumers can see what is being offered.

[@tv-oe2gk]

Hyundai in Canada were charging a BC customer $56,000 for a battery!

[@Bowhunters6go8xz6x]

$61,000 dollars for a battery on a Hyundai Ioniq 5 ! At least two people found out the hard way!

[@chrismuir8403]

The replacement price for a early model Prius battery - $2,000 for a 2 Kwh (1.7 Kwh usable) battery pack. That works out to $1,000 per Kwh. But Toyota does offer $250 for the old pack for recycling.

[@rozonoemi9374]

The battery pack is worth a lot more than $250! Just for recycling, you could get more!

[@alexlo7708]

Early Toyota hybrid model uses NiMH battery , not Lithium. ion

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@alexlo7708 Still precious metal to recycle even with NiMH batteries!

[@Tigerex966]

@@rozonoemi9374 sometimes the labor involved make it useless to try to recycle plus the danger and regulations.

[@HUMPERS42]

A friend was quoted £17,000 by Renault in the UK for the replacement of the battery in his 2014 Kangoo ZE 22kWh van after there were loud bangs from the battery several times just after parking. That's roughly US $965/kWh at current exchange rates. The van is only worth about £5,000, and he was told the quote was so high due to the amount they need to take the van apart to replace the battery, so could this explain the wide range in battery replacement costs for other EVs? Best wishes to you and your wife.

[@johngoard8272]

Well for me Sam I am not a fan of EV's and I think that if I ever was made to have one - which I could never afford from any aspect of owning one the cost of a replacement battery would bankrupt me as like so many others like me who are on a pension for an example. Plus the cost of buying insuring one, the cost of the tyres which I gather wear out three times more frequently than ICE powered vehicles and require "special" tyres at that, and the risk of fire within the battery is simply not an option. To boot the wait for the vehicle to charge up would simply drive me (no pun) quite insane. I did note that you talked of the cost of battery replacement is quite reasonable but to me like may others who have a limited income ie: on a pension that cost is simply not a situation that we could afford.

[@steffenfriedle3254]

just saw a video here - where one had to replace the battery cause the cover of battery was scratched .. Imagine this .. Someone looses something at the road and you see it too late ... and it scratches the battery cover . In this case the cost of the replacement was higher than a new car. Its a big risk - which made me as EV owner think a bit.

[@scottkolaya2110]

Great video as always, but small error regarding the Leaf @ 7:10 "They don't have a battery management system." That isn't true, all Leaf batteries have a BMS that keeps each cell charged within spec. I think you meant to say they don't have active cooling. And yes, without the liquid cooling channels, it is slightly cheaper to produce.

[@RyanWilliams222]

Is this guy really making 4 videos per day? That strikes me as too many, and is probably why he’s a little loose with the details.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@RyanWilliams222 He also just reads news articles for half of his videos.

[@RWBHere]

Thanks Sam. If batteries cost less than $100 US per kilowatt-hour there's absolutely no excuse for squeezing customers for over $700. They're taking the Mickey, big time. Extortion is a crime. Period.

[@cbcdesign001]

Absolutely they are and you have to wonder why because all it does is scare insurance companies and frighten customers away so its really a very silly strategy.

[@buixote]

$9k for a 1st Gen Leaf here in CA. Ridiculous

[@dvlaserworks]

I heard via a video from a couple from Canada that 2 Ioniq 5's had battery issues. One ran over something, the other...I am not sure. Insurance totaled the one that ran over something ($65k Ca for the batter pack I guess) and the other was $60k. In the US a Tesla Model 3 cost about $10k US (owner was supercharging twice a day as an Uber driver). All this is within the last month. These are all recent numbers. And as a Pro petrol head that loves V8 engines...I find myself leaning toward an EV...more specifically...Tesla. Either a 3 or S. CT will not be on the radar for decades for me. Mostly because of the long wait.

[@guitar78ish]

seen a vid of a Canadian who owned an Ioniq, he tried to avoid something in the road and thought he did. He took his car to get checked out and there were scratches and a scuff mark on the casing that protects the battery, and he was told, because a certain hole in the casing was enlarged, the battery was no longer any good and may burst into flames at any time. The battery itself listed at almost $60,000(CAD), and his insurance would not cover it because it was more than he paid for the vehicle.

[@fishorcutb8]

Insurance did cover it but wrote the 2 cars off as the book value was less than the battery cost. They paid out less than replacement of a new car. If they had replacement cost insurance policy they both would have got a brand new replacement car. I purchase this when I buy new cars.

[@Gallardo6669]

My E golf 83k miles just had a repair on the battery. The repair took literally a 3-month. Luckily happened in last year of warranty.... My Tesla is fine.

[@kirkdemadaler7041]

Perception is Tesla = Good...VW = junk....Buy a Tesla...next.

[@iissac22]

You have definitely gotten a new subscriber out of me. The cars Tesla's are competing with don't offer the performance along with the lower cost of replacing the battery. Most try to generalize EV qualities, instead of showing the manufacturers with high cost batteries or lower battery longevity.

[@user-fz9hz7eh3v]

💡💡they should make the batteries in a way for the customers to install themselves, to save money and i dont know why there isnt any offbrand batteries on the market💡💡

[@quartytypo]

That's why EVs should run on AA batteries.

[@RyanWilliams222]

Right?? That way we could replace them ourselves!

[@sdpryce]

Lol

[@faisal-ca]

Not sure about AA but hoping some 10 years down the road car batteries will be plug and play. Hopefully market knockoffs as well.

[@tonyk438]

Just need an extension cord. No battery needed.

[@tfsmcpe9402]

Yes

[@robfj3414]

I was surprised that you quoted the replacement cost of the Hyundai Ioniq battery in the 2018-2019 (and, presumably, the 2017 and 2020 which were the same car) but only for the hybrid model. What about the Ioniq EV from those same model years?

[@jamesphillips2285]

$56,000CAD, or more than the car is new. With that much money on the table: I am hoping for aftermarket battery packs to become available for common EVs.

[@saneman8147]

A replacement battery for an all electric Lexus UX costs $43,000 in Australia.

[@lemongavine]

The Hyundai Kona battery issue was only on the 2019 model year. They switched to a different manufacturer after that and no more issues.

[@kirkdemadaler7041]

Perception damage done....Hyundai = Crap....next.

[@steve8803]

​@@kirkdemadaler7041Hyundai has always been crap. EV and ICE

[@jensnorgard135]

I own a Renault ZOE which has a faulty battery pack, the dealer quoted for the price $32,000 au +$3,000au for installation. I am living in Sydney, Australia.

[@benhaze1010]

I really don't understand the stupidity of car manufacturers spending billions of $$$ developing EV but not realizing gouging on battery replacement costs can kill their own future. Hyundai Canada is learning a hard lesson these past few weeks and is in damage control mode. Horror stories are starting to pop up with 1-2 yr old EV being scrapped due to battery replacement cost.

[@cbcdesign001]

Well perhaps some good will come from the bad publicity Hyundai are receiving. Certainly the manufacturers need to ensure that dealerships can properly inspect battery packs. I watched a guy in the UK on KZbin (cars4paul) check a battery from an accident damaged VW ID3, if he can do it, a properly trained person in a dealership should be able to do the same job.

[@benhaze1010]

@@cbcdesign001 Agreed. Also Just saw these past couple of days that several similar stories (high battery replacement cost) are hitting US medias and people are starting to put on hold getting an EV.

[@bucktis9]

PROBOBLY THE WORST PURCHASE YOU CAN MAKE IS A USED ELECTRIC VEHICLE, KNOWING THE BATTERY WILL GO!

[@Pabz2030]

Imagine buying a car and being told you have to buy a new $10,000+ engine every few years

[@marcohillenga5068]

Some ICE engines also last a few years and cost 30.000 to replace.

[@RacerX1971]

​​@@marcohillenga5068, really? My sons 1993 Honda Civic had over 300k miles before it got totalled but was running ok. My 2004 Envoy is still running strong with 225k miles, my 2005 Le Sabre with 170k miles is still solid. My Datsun 510 has had 3 engines since 1971.

[@jamiea8318]

You don’t. Batteries are warrantied 8 years by law, 10 years in CA. Few ever actually fail.

[@RacerX1971]

@@marcohillenga5068 , show us where ICE engines only last several years?

[@marcohillenga5068]

@@RacerX1971 BMW

[@motorv8N]

Re the BMW - there’s a Munro Live presentation where they note BMW makes modular packs that can be replaced in sections. Doesn’t mean it will be cheap but at least you’re not trying to find and chisel out individual cells as the only option to complete replacement.

[@gwynnej3]

Cost or price? Manufacturers will always price spare parts as high as possible to maximise the margin on parts sales.

[@caractacus22]

Any car in U.K. that is involved in an even small accident is immediately written off because it is suspected the battery could be compromised

[@protagonist9716]

And cell to pack is most difficult to fix as per recent reports. But Tesla bot Sam would never tell u that

[@wainwrights2744]

​@protagonist is this true...this is very interesting. Do you have a link to any news articles on the issue?

[@caractacus22]

@@wainwrights2744 no. Sorry just something I saw on the tele.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

@@jprt3270 That must be more than just a fender bender. I suspect that there's usually not anything wrong with the batteries, so the used battery market will get a lot more product.

[@888buzzz]

Bar stool wisdom. “I heard it from some other drunk guy, so must be true.”

[@tomhman6441]

Replacement battery’s will doom this technology. No reason other then greed on the manufacturer.

[@airheart1]

Now? At the rate my 2017 battery is wearing.. it will last to about 300,000 miles before it goes below 80% of its original max. I’m at about 7% lost now at just shy of 100,000 miles and nearly 6 years. I’ve only ever owned one car that made it to 100,000 miles before i wanted to dump it. And i still love this one so much I can see keeping it for another 100k miles. Which is ridiculous to me.. but i have nearly 0 reasons to trade it in for the newer. A couple.. but they’re so small it makes no sense.. and there are equally big benefits to keep the one i have. So until there is a drastic upgrade, I’m happy as a clam

[@bluetoad2668]

Currently the only batteries we have seen getting replaced are high mileage ones which were probably charged in a sub-optimal way. Even then they have lasted a long time. We'll have to wait to see how an 'average' cars battery ages. By that I mean a car doing average mileage for 10-15 years. In addition current batteries are likely much better than those made 10 years ago.

[@TheLDunn1]

Would be good to know if those costs for the batteries were for just the batteries, or if it included the dealers charge to remove the old battery and install the new and reset any software if required.

[@lemongavine]

Also a core rebate for your old battery which has some value.

[@TheLDunn1]

@@lemongavine that’s a good point!

[@jlm4836]

Great video Viking. Be nice to know the cost of charging/battery life used up, with today’s price of replacement. Like a cost estimate per 100 klm on Tesla 3

[@jimgraham6722]

Leaf batteries being air cooled are far less complex. In talking to a Nissan dealer, they advised the Leaf battery is only designed for about half the vehicle life and therefore the vehicle is designed to facilitate battery replacement.

[@abelbennett2880]

hmmmm interesting

[@johanboes1]

What a nightmare ev driving...

[@bombardierrecreationalprod1023]

It’s not EV’s that are the problem it’s the greedy shady companies who rip us off at every opportunity ! My friends 2018 model 3 had a defective battery and it was 5k to replace! All these big oem’s ripping people off will be nothing but a bad memory in 10 years from now!! EV’s are here to stay and Tesla will show them how it’s done!!

[@Dynamite3783]

That is the business model , cherry on the top

[@stevencole7331]

There is the discrepancy between EVs and ice vehicles the cost of replacing the EV battery pack is far more expensive than changing and engine or tranny in a ice vehicle . Must remember there is labor removing the old and replacing with new . Another factor that's not discussed is how easy a battery replacement is for a model of vehicle . Nio makes battery replacement for their vehicles in the minutes in there battery replacement centers . So buying a EV with the ease of replacement could be a factor in terms of labor cost . In the end it should be easier than a engine from a ice vehicle but for EVs replacing a battery pack is not very cost effective at this time . Eventually a new industry will be developed and swapping out a battery may get to $3500 for a swap or maybe cheaper . Now 20k doesn't make sense .

[@eish3291]

I think that over time the cost of batteries should come down as volumes increase.

[@stevencole7331]

@@eish3291 I think that's the key for EVs success is battery repair , replacement and recycling . The 3 Rs. Now I believe Tesla foams in their battery packs making 2 of the Rs not easily done . Nio with the ability to change out a battery in minutes in there change and go says the labor can be minimal for change out compared to ICE . If a battery pack can get to $5000 and maybe $1000 in labor change you got something .

[@davidhancock91]

Keep me out of this experiment. My old diesel will outlast a Tesla I reckon.

[@Berretotube]

Thanks Sam, keep up the great work mate 🙏👊

[@electricviking]

Thanks, will do!

[@Lakeman3211]

From my perspective the resale market for any used ev basically isn’t worth looking at, so residual value, even if the unit is still operational makes little sense to me to consider ownership post initial owner!

[@rogerbegin3477]

They say the cyber truck is stainless steel that’s just the shell. All the rest of it is metal. I’m pretty sure of it because you never hear no one talk about it. Love you.

[@JP-sw5ho]

Yeah that e golf battery is actually more money than many e golf owners paid for their cars new- in America, with the tax credit.

[@eaglezxz3354]

Recent interview of a hundai owner in vancouver b.c....scratch on the battery cover led to new replacement quote being over 60k.More than the car was worth new.The owners ins. Will now double for many yrs. Buyer beware.

[@richh650]

Very interesting information Sam. One would think all of the large car companies would have the clout with the battery manufacturers to get the best prices, thus making them all about the same costs per KWh. Very surprising that they are not, however.

[@mikec886]

Cash grab

[@johnmanderson2060]

A 1st gen VW e-Up! owner told me that AMAG (Switzerland) ask 18’000 CHF for a 18kW battery replacement , so 1kCHF per Kw.. crazy !

[@cinemaipswich4636]

If you bought the same battery pack as a power wall, recharge pack or UPS, how much would it cost? They probably want to change the charger, converter and data modules (without any reason at all) and charge you for something that is not broke. They are probably like a front light assembly, a dozen things in one.

[@JimD20619]

Whaaaa!!! BMW charging two arms and three legs for parts? The same company that wants to charge you a subscription to use the parts (heated seats) that you paid for? No way!

[@mitchonthego]

Great content, you’ve brought fresh info

[@electricviking]

Thanks Mate!

[@ashleycampbell6825]

Unknown answer is what will be the future market value of an EV requiring a battery replacement? Have to hope that specialist repair shops will become available or else there will be a lot of scrapped EVs.

[@YordanGeorgiev]

Excellent ending with rationale, Sam. This way of argumenting advances the shift in mentality to happen towards e-vehicles

[@markmiller8903]

The shift Is away from EVS due to range anxiety, pollution, and other issues.

[@Subh8081]

Hyundai's an BMW's EV's seem to have been designed as use-and-throw. Roll of dice if there's no accident or damage and the packs last 500k km's or accident after 2 years and the battery pack cost more than market value of the car.

[@peterinns5136]

EV battery life is really not that much of an issue. Quote from EVBox: "Nissan, for example, has been selling electric cars for 12 years, and executive Nic Thomas claims that almost all EV batteries they’ve manufactured during that time are still in use. Likewise, Tesla reports its vehicles to have an average lifespan of around 200,000 miles in the US and 150,000 miles in the EU." The key to better battery life is charging correctly. I don't thrash my ICE car when the engine is cold. Charging should be treated with care also. Properly looked after, battery degradation should be less than 3% a year.

[@cbcdesign001]

Yep, avoiding high charge rates as often as possible, restricting charge level to 80% on fast DC chargers and not allowing deep discharges does a lot to help preserve the life of the battery.

[@donaldklopper]

Yeah this video didn't age well w.r.t. Hyundai ... $61000 Canadian for a new battery. More than a new IONIC5.

[@user-oz4mx1di7t]

I hear that tesla takes away your fast charging option if they don't service your car so just for that I couldn't buy tesla so not going to be held to ransom

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

I would be surprised if others didn't do this, if they don't its kinda stupid to increase their liabilities.

[@user-oz4mx1di7t]

@OG Zombie Blunt all this will do is put lots of independent garages out of business and then overwhelm buig dealership and make waiting times for getting your car fixed longer

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

Well evs don't need to be repaired or maintenenced as much so many will go out of business in the switch to evs anyways.

[@haukionkannel]

We need standard pattery packs and option to buy better to x different company and choise based on price… just like tyres or exhaustion pipes etc. We need competition to battery packs and standardiced battery packs would less to that.

[@MH44444]

I think they are forcing some laws to be passed to force at cost prices for the battery. Definitely need some regulation on these costs.

[@anthonybarbuto6012]

Oem s are notorious for marking up parts. I once sold cars at a GM dealer. I sold chevys and Cadillacs. When I was hired I was told my comisson was 15 percent of the profit the dealer made. Typically the dealer paid $2,000-4,000 less than the window sticker MSRP for the car. This means the dealers profit is the same......2-4 grand per car whether it's a $30,000 Chevy or a $60,000 Cadillac .Dealers make a heck of a lot more money marking up parts and accessories. When selling cars we tried to push a simonize wax job......our cost...$80.....we charged the customer hundreds of dollars. Rubber floor mats for the cars could be bought for $100 the set at box stores......we charged $300..!!!!. What s going to happen with replacement ev battery packs.......some battery company will make equivalent battery's to the oems specs........charge one half or one third of what the oems charge.......and get significant market share. There will always be people afraid to use anything but oem part numbers, and they will continue to be ripped off........but once a replacement part vendor can prove his part is the same form fit and function as the oem part...... there is no good reason to pay extra for the oem part.......

[@peevee605]

Bmw i3 is costly also because of the carbon fiber parts on it. That was like a research for BMW however, to be able to learn the tech producing it and do blends with polyamide plastics.

[@realestatenow]

I think there should be some standardization of battery shapes, cooling system, capacity and hardware and software interfaces. This would allow for competition on replacement batteries and an actual ability to replace them. Some cars, e.g.. Tesla model 3 get totaled in a crash that damages the battery by the insurance companies as they are impossible to replace. Forcing auto makers to allow for replacing a battery and forcing them to document their battery is the only way to lower replacement battery costs.

[@tesla_tap]

Tesla has always offered replacement batteries, and I suspect all other makes do as well. If a any car is so badly damaged that the battery needs replacement, the car is likely totaled anyway and likely has massive structural damage. I guess everyone could adapt Tesla as a standard, since about 60+% of the EVs on the road are Teslas and they have some of the best and lowest cost technology. I don't see it happening. Everyone else has a few percentage points of market today, with each using a unique design.

[@realestatenow]

@@tesla_tap you can’t adopt Tesla’s battery as a standard because 1. Tesla would have to publish their battery specification, 2. Tesla battery pack design does not allow for replacing the battery. It is literally the body of the car. Even if you order spare parts for Tesla you may have to wait as long as 6 months as they are the only ones producing them. I drive by an auto repair shop and their lot is full of Damaged Teslas (the ones that are repairable) waiting for parts. Generally, I am against monopolies of any kind.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

​@@realestatenow 2. Is only true with the structural pack, and considering the lack of battery advancements from other OEMs idk if tesla would risk fires on OEM vehicles. That would be bad publicity for tesla because the OEM might just blame tesla. I'm against monopolies unless they're natural. Which tesla seems to be.

[@tesla_tap]

@OG Zombie Blunt Good points! Note that even the structural pack can be replaced. It just bolts in like all prior Tesla packs. Now, the vehicle shouldn't be driven without the battery, but without the pack, it would be hard to drive!

[@samonnchhay]

Very expensive replacement 😯😯 think again before buying it right

[@pauldesmondchopping6027]

Great video. When replacing a battery do these prices include the buy back value of the dead ones? Or can you get something back. I believe tesla recondition batteries and also some companies even fix broken batteries that are out of warranty

[@tireddad6541]

So what about 3rd party and remanufactured? I have seen a few videos of the popularity of this. I would love to see Tesla step up that their service centers will support other brands batteries as well. That would fit with their mission statement.

[@larryc1616]

No, tesla will not install and be responsible for 3rd party inferior batteries due to failures, fires and lawsuits.

[@leiflillandt1488]

​@@larryc1616Maybe it would be a problem in USA, but not in Europe. In Europe people convert ice cars to electric cars, and also rebuild the batteries.

[@tireddad6541]

@Larry C What about repair or supply good, better, not inferior? Tesla doesn't claim to have the best, and it's mission statement is wider and a partisan reply.

[@nguyenhanh9479]

@@tireddad65413rd party mean No. No company does that. you don’t see kfc sell mc donald just because the ‘misson’ want to serve people food does it.

[@larryc1616]

@@tireddad6541 Apple repairs and replace Apple products with Apple parts only. GM maintains and repairs GM cars with GM parts only. Tesla maintains and repairs Tesla ev's with Tesla parts only. Do you people understand this simple business concept? 🤔 none of these brands are going to install 3rd party parts for you to save money at their expense of lawsuits and the complexities of figuring out all the different 3rd party parts for fit, compatability or quality. Go find a private mod shop if you dare.

[@kenhoward3512]

It is now January, 2024, and there was recent controversy over the charge for a replacement battery pack for a Hyundai Ionic 5, at over $60,000 Canadian ($50k+ American). I don't care what its capacity is, that is a ridiculous liability to have hanging over your head after purchasing an EV. His original pack, btw, was damaged by running over an object in the road, so there was no manufacturer's warranty coverage.

[@hallmorrison]

Ev are not yet ready. It's more destructive to the socio economic status of the places that it's sourced from that gasoline.

[@tomhman6441]

Unfortunately accidents happen to lower the life or mechanical issues occur to require battery replacement.

[@Panamera2014]

Hold my beer. Porsche Panamera hybrid has a 9.4 kWh battery. If it fails, as they tend to do just out of warranty, replacement is $25k-$28k usd. On a 2014-16, that is about entire value of vehicle. When it does fail, car is a brick.

[@taxsi]

If this is very unlikely like in 1 in one thousand etc. manufacturers should provide lifetime warranty, replace for free and insure themselves (of course not in the case of user related damages to the battery pack like catastrophic accidents).

[@LyuboA]

ya only regular cars can be used in cold weather and their range doesn't drop with little by little not to mention the Insanely long charging time

[@ZoomZoomMX3]

Hyundai iconic in Canada customer quoted from dealership in British Columbia $60 000 Thats more than the car new

[@DCGreenZone]

Most important question, why are the batteries failing.

[@dominicwild3189]

Nissan Leaf 30kWh battery in Perth costs $11,000 to replace at 2:43 Nissan stealerships.

[@martinwilkes]

Sam, you need to watch a recent video from Bjorn Nyland which featured repairing an EV battery and not replacing it.

[@Panamera2014]

If it is a battery with welded tabs, home repair is a great way to die in a fireball explosion.

[@markfabre7682]

Makes perfect sense when you consider taxpayer and ICE manufacturer subsidies keep EV prices about 1/2 what they would otherwise be. Although EVs get subsidized, parts when sold separately (including the battery) do not. Maybe that is why no one makes an EV with batteries not included.

[@paulgoffin8054]

Wearing out not the issue - slightly damaged batteries that can't be repaired are causing huge write off costs and are jacking up insurance costs by 100+%

[@tsabus67]

How to replace a structural battery pack ?

[@larryc1616]

4680 battery last +500k miles longer life than the rest of the car.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

Structural packs are bolted in. They are replaceable just like older packs.

[@connclissmann6514]

Carefully...

[@adofoi30]

Dude … those Bolt Kona unit have mostly been replaced. Besides some of them (not Tesla) can replace individual cells instead of the whole pack.

[@Tonay88]

Tesla should be taken to task for their basically non-repairable structural battery packs. Unfortunately they are quickly becoming the apple of EVs making every effort to stop their devices from being repaired.

[@markbelfry6956]

I don't understand why manufacturers don't lease batteries. Increase sales and electric vehicle adoption by significantly reducing up front vehicle prices. Reduce risk for car buyers, which will also increase uptake. And create a steady revenue stream, which is what legacy auto is concerned about losing with electric vehicles. Why isn't this happening? Buy the vehicle, pay a monthly fee for the battery, never worry about it again.

[@tpraba15]

No point buying EV vehicles. Not only battery but many more problems. My Mercedes EC aircon is always problem which is needed to be replaced every two years at exorbitant cost. They say it is because all are controlled by the battery unlike a petrol car. Big monopoly by the car manufacturers. The customer care are of no use.

[@bimsetre]

I think your comparison is irrelevant. Both BMW I3 and VW eGolf were concept cars, with very low production numbers. The BMW i.e. was built in a way, that never would be possible in mass production. Loads of carbin fibre etc. To find the real cost of a battery change you should compare Tesla with ID3/4/5 etc and BMW I5, I4 and so on. These are cars meant to be realistic choices in their segment.

[@user-oz4mx1di7t]

Any chance of finding out how much disposal cost of the battery is

[@donaldduck5731]

They have value and are recycled I believe

[@user-oz4mx1di7t]

@@donaldduck5731 I have heard that they are not recyclable and the last owner of the car has to pay for disposal but not sure how true this is

[@incognitotorpedo42]

@@user-oz4mx1di7t That is what is known in the States as "bullshit". Used batteries are worth a LOT. NO ONE would just throw them away. There are multiple companies that recycle EV batteries. Redwood Materials is an example.

[@ogzombieblunt4626]

They are absolutely recyleable, all you would need to do is find out how much material is recycled and find the market price for those raw materials. But idk any stats on that. That info will come out eventually as recycling becomes more common

[@GntlTch]

Noticed that he completely avoided listing the cost per kWh for Tesla battery packs. Also very little info on their relative reliability.

[@drudru5992]

We told you so. Remember, wealth is not a destination, but a way of living. 😊.

[@davidb1630]

That's all and good, they will come down in price, but how much is labour to do the job. I have heard some of the cars can cost a staggering $5,000 in labour alone.

[@Gregory-Masovutch]

If the batteries were so great, then why is the degradation rate up to 30% NOT covered with the battery warranty?

[@Jz-fj5ki]

Ev is such a pain. YOU need to plan your trip according to the availability of charging stations. sometimes when you reach the station you will find many cars charging there and you will have to wait. if you charge your car at a supercharger all the time your battery degradation will be 7% every year. if you want to preserve your battery for a long time you need to maintain your charge between 20%to 80% and also should be charged at slow chargers. 20% to 80% means that you roughly can't use about 40% for better longevity of the battery . if you are on full load with full passengers and also if you accelerate fast your range will become half of what the company claimed you get. Within 10 to 11 years of use, you have to change the battery and it will cost 72% of the actual cost of the car. During this period you might have to change the electric motor which is also expensive. For different charging stations, you need to install different applications and load money into them. If you travel to remote locations not necessary that you will find a charging station there. According to climate battery performance and range will vary a lot.