The SHOCKING GR-Research XLS Encore Audiophile DIY KIT Speakers ! My Final Review

[@Jayiyagi]

Thank you for stopping by and feel free to share your experience in the comments below. Don't forget to click the like button on this video if it was helpful, it helps me out with the KZbin algorithm :) non-affiliated purchase links: GR research XLS Encore (Finished): gr-research.com/product/xls-encore/ GR research XLS Encore KIT (No cabinet): gr-research.com/product/x-ls-encore/ GR research XLS Encore Flatpack Cabinet: gr-research.com/product/x-ls-flatpack-pair/ Amplifier used for XLS encore: Starke Sound Fiera4: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoKVi4xvgd2FnKs Thallo Amplifier/Hades Pre-amplifier: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGjQkKGIq6pkbc0 IOTAVX SA3 + PA3 Combo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWLOp6uGhMlsY9U related videos/blind tests: Which is the better DIY Speaker? CSS Audio 1TDx vs GR Research XLS Encore speakers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZDLXqafa9l9nsU Is GR-Research XLS Encore DIY KIT Speaker a Giant Killer? vs Sonus Faber Electa Amator III: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJTJY6ePrrisd7s GR-Research XLS Encore Speakers & Speaker Cables Arrived ! AND The PLAN is...: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6uamYxof5h1otk Measurements: Coming Soon Support on Patreon: www.patreon.com/jayiyagi follow on Instagram: instagram.com/jays_iyagi/ follow on Facebook: facebook.com/jayiyagiofficial Follow soundstage take 2 reviews: kzbin.info/aero/PLPOzvlhtSqn5xdc__ftuSt4Rxy_wm5Af0 *My Daily Components (All Tested And Proved To Work in Blind Tests)* Fancy speaker stands I use: shop-links.co/choe8oQHC9w Speaker stands I use (budget): amzn.to/3ssRhI3 Desktop Speaker Stands I Use: shop-links.co/chofc1R7mpT acoustic panels I use: ua-acoustics.com/ acoustic curtain: amzn.to/31d1zAM my fav hifi tweaks: (Isoacoustics devices) amzn.to/3j5FGvM Speaker Isolation Feet I Use: shop-links.co/choffy3csSK Turntable Isolation I Use: shop-links.co/chofgeNORJP Component Isolation I Use: shop-links.co/chofhTC3wc7

[@sdrtcacgnrjrc]

The "KIT (no cabinet)" link is same as the third link

[@Jayiyagi]

@@sdrtcacgnrjrc corrected. Thank you :)

[@wa2368]

Nice review! Today the Encore, tomorrow the NX-Otica review and onto the NX-treme which shall be the full moon day you become enlightened like the Buddha himself.

[@PetraKann]

What it a DOUBLE blind test?

[@barney6888]

Are you posting these for sale in CAM?

[@freone111]

Thank you Jay. Keep up the great work. I hope you enjoyed your time with these XLS Encores. I definitely enjoyed the journey. Frederick

[@NeilBlanchard]

Slight correction Jay - the XLS Encore cabinet you have is made with Baltic birch plywood, and the corner chamfers are cut on a table saw. No veneers are involved.

[@JayBeezy31]

I noticed !! hes obviously a rich kid, and an audio elitist.... several of his videos display this.

[@JayBeezy31]

i bet my tiny paycheck that hes deep down PISSED that he cant be seen using the smsl su-10 DAC that freaking beats his 7 thousand dollar dac that i cant pronounce.

[@eightrodway]

Good review. Given your initial skepticism, you've really tried to be even-handed. It's very helpful to state your preferences, which you do admirably. Since I find Magico, Focal, and Klipsch to be too forward in the highs, it seems I'd like these speakers!

[@Jayiyagi]

Yes but to be clear… my preference isn’t those speakers.

[@Wormmmmm]

@@Jayiyagi Didn't you buy an Klipsch Cornwall IV ?

[@connorduke4619]

Something voiced closer to neutral may also suit like a Dynaudio Evoke 20.

[@Jayiyagi]

@@Wormmmmm yes a while back. I don't own them anymore as they are simply too big to haul around in my forever changing system. Great speakers though

[@wiebl5266]

go for it! Be patient give in 1 week to loosen up, then you'll hear the "Layers" of music.

[@stevenpaul3886]

I got news for you, those drivers sound amazing! Better the SVS driver as well as many others. I was shocked as well but you know what it’s the design sound that matters more in my opinion. They push a nice amount of air for a woofer that size the the cone material is nice.

[@foblivio]

Damn, Jay, your listening space is looking really good. Love the plants.

[@Jayiyagi]

Thanks !

[@G3rain1]

I have no prior wood working experience and was able to assemble the XLS Encore perfectly first try.

[@Jayiyagi]

Good for you man !

[@jaywatterworth]

Excellent, professional review. You consistently do such a great job and, most importantly, have fun doing it. Thanks from your namesake.

[@justins.1283]

GR research has a flat pack available on their web site. I've heard them and when a subwoofer is integrated with the speakers placed about 3' from the wall they disappeared. Just my personal experience.

[@Jayiyagi]

nice !

[@cvee2614]

Good review Jay. On a personal note, I have the XLS Encore's that I built a couple years ago with the upgrade kit option, Micaps, No-res, etc.... Do they sound good? Meh, sure, but not as good as I would like. Spaced properly about 3-4' from the wall on 30 inch stands, they sound a bit "choked" is the best way to describe. Alternatively, I have a pair of open baffle speakers (my own design, tang bands 5" full range and my engineered caps/inductors/resistors) that honestly sound way better, open, sound stage and imaging, impactful resolution of sound stage.

[@carlsitler9071]

I prefer BIG box speakers (3-way with 15" paper woofer) as sometimes I like to crank them to full volume. My bookshelf speakers have their place but...

[@soundguy71.]

I'm in total agreement. I re-coned my Optimus Mack 3's a few years back, these 1991 radio shack speakers are amazing. I bought them brand new in 1991. They rock and no sub needed

[@rmzidann]

I think that was an excellent and fair review. Good job! Now, I have a better understanding of it’s sound.👍

[@northa4021]

On a recent trip to Texas I stop at GR Research, almost unannounced, and Danny was very accommodating. I suffer from minor tinnitus so I decided to not get the upgrades however there were 2, 0.1uf sonicap bypass caps included. I did get the No rez. I am looking forward to getting these speakers built. Are they the be all and end all in speaker design? Probably not but, they do come with support from someone that is passionate about what they do and is more than willing to help. Thanks for the review Jay, I am looking forward to the NRC measurements.

That soft upper end may be due to time alignment and wave guide design. In the time domain mis aligned drivers have you hearing waveforms twice sounding like more energy. Wave guides reduce reflections which also add to total energy. In the time domain mis alignment also "tears" delicate sounds (female vocals, strings) giving them an edge they may not have had originally, but sound more in focus lending to spaciousness and imaging. Those beveled edges also reduce time based "noise".

[@darthdurkelthewise320]

First things first…Jay, you have been a class act through all this. On to the speaker… For most people it’s just not practical to pull speakers so far into their room but if they sound best that way so be it. The real culprit in speaker disappointment is not experimenting with placement, rearranging items in room, etc. I think many people underestimate the importance of these variables. It requires some trial and error and patience. Lastly, some well researched wall treatments can do wonders too. It doesn’t always involve just buying another speaker and hoping for the magic. Honestly, I’ve known a couple of people that built the Encores with good results. They’re good speakers and it’s a fun and rewarding project but it’s not magic either. Building a speaker that does great things is a balance of science and art. It’s brains and it’s finesse. Furthermore, tube connectors aren’t magic either nor are they practical w/all cables so take that for what its worth. Honestly, I like the newer PSB and Q Acoustics binding posts. They are 2 different approaches but well executed. Many engineers have been using quality binding posts forever and frankly they work quite well. You’d have better gains with improved crossover implementation/parts and this is where I align with Danny most of all. I’ve built crossovers, cabinets, etc over the years and it’s super fun but not easy and honestly, it can involve a lot of math to get things right. However, there is no such thing as a perfect speaker hence the audiophile journey and all it’s joys. Danny does have a point because almost every big speaker company builds something if not almost everything to a price point and that’s usually not good for the customer. Speaker companies throw all kinds of shortcuts in the cabinet because they know 99% of people will never look in there nor would they know what they’re looking at if they did. Therefore, just about everything can be improved upon in some meaningful way if you have the knowledge and patience. It’s been this way forever with everything from speakers to shoes to cars. However, with more companies doing good work and offering direct to consumer speakers, you can acquire high quality pieces built to great spec. I never thought that taking a $400-$500 speaker and spending another $300 to have a marginal “improvement” was really that clever when you could just buy a better speaker in the first place but hey that’s just me. I think Danny is a very smart guy with true insights but I just felt like he could have spent more time showing and teaching with his own products rather than slagging others. His message was never incorrect IMO, but it’s delivery was not always welcoming. It’s just not a good campaign strategy in such a small niche world. But again, you handle yourself very well for such a young dude. Keep up the great insights because a lot of folks new and experienced are listening. 👍🏻

[@Jayiyagi]

Thanks man and well said ! I agree with everything you said here

[@rikardekvall3433]

Well even Buchardt sells upgrade crossover (650€/pair) to their S400 Mk1. So they sounds better. If you buy a better speaker, then you should check out Danny’s test of expensive/better speakers. Or buy a kit from Danny or CSS. Now we are talking.

[@darthdurkelthewise320]

@@rikardekvall3433 I agree with you but this is one of my points. Buchardt is a direct to consumer brand. Yes, they understand better parts can equal a discernible improved performance. However, it doesn’t always for everyone. Danny is not wrong in his findings. It’s not rocket science as crap in will generally equal crap out. However, many wouldn’t feel comfortable tearing open their expensive and pretty speakers hoping to get it right. And if they damage their speaker they’ve just invalidated a warranty. They’d rather just buy a different or better speaker if their budget allows. Furthermore, with Klipsch, ELAC, KEF, B&W, you don’t have these options. You get what you get unless you buy w/the intent on “improving” which most don’t. Zu, Tekton, and a growing number of the DTC brands will give you these options. In the end if you want to tinker then tinker. That shit is fun and rewarding. Otherwise, do some research, save your money, and buy a better speaker.

[@tonycherryhomes3607]

I feel everything you wrote was well thought out and well written. I am with on 90%. But, I love the fact that Danny opens stuff up for us all to see and present graphs on the existing responses and his" recommended" upgrades. I don't know how he could be more helpful.

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

A review of some higher tier GR stuff would b cool 👍

[@wokthetalk3079]

I hope Jay will review other kits as well Em B, such as the very inexpensive but highly regarded C-Note MT found at Part Express or the open baffle 2way LXStudio that was design by Riley Linkwitz and is sold by Madisound. Now if Jay is really adventurous he should try the 4way open baffle Linkwitz Labs, LX521 (Madisound). I just heard them in person this year for the first time at the Pacific Audio Fest and they blew my mind! Perhaps rather than me describing them, reader of this comment can search the ‘Audiophile Junkies’ YT channel and hear/see them for yourselves. This Ytuber has also reviewed higher end GR Research speakers too.

[@stephenstevens6573]

I was talking to Danny on another post about the tube connectors, but we got separated somehow. I was asking about the gains of the tube connectors over the banana plugs and he was saying that it makes a big difference in sound quality, and I wasn't arguing that point. Maybe he will see this here. What I was asking for clarification on was when you are using the tube connectors on the speaker end, what about the fact that nearly all amplifiers have banana plugs or spades on the output of the amp. My question is when you have banana plugs on one end, how do the tube connectors make such a big difference on the other end?

[@tinnitusintx]

My guess would be that perhaps each "lower quality" connection presents a degradation to signal integrity....so banana connectors at the amp degrade the signal, then banana connectors at the speaker degrade it yet again. With the tube connectors at the speaker, that second signal degradation scenario is eliminated. Just my WAG.

[@Jayiyagi]

I think danny’s explanation for these type of questions would be “everything matters”

[@robh7106]

Don't waste your money on Tube Connectors. It is impossible for them to make any difference in the sound whatsoever. In fact, if anything they could possibly degrade the sound by their inability to make a dependable tight physical connection to each other.

[@robh7106]

@@tinnitusintx There is no evidence that quality banana connectors degrade the signal in any way whatsoever. The is just something that you and others are making up in order to justify using Tube Connectors.

[@johnshore3095]

With my 1st pair of speakers, which I modded I hard wired the speaker cable from amp to drive units with no breaks through the back of the cabinets. Sealed with blutack. That was 35 years ago and was a pair of Mordaunt Short MS100's only one component in the crossover a capacitor, which I upgraded too.

[@tdm7290]

Hi @Jayiyagi, it's great that you address the amp pairing - not everyone takes the time to do so! Much appreciated 👌 What advice would you give for pairing them with the Quad 34 pre-amp and Quad 306 power amp (AB amp, 50 watts per channel into 8Ω)? Same question regarding the CSS Criton 1TD pairing? Thanks in advance! 🙌

[@deoncruywagen5191]

Nice review, Jay. Some serious food for thought here. But this has me wondering- when are you going to Texas? After the long break between videos, I was hoping it was because you had gone to visit Danny in Texas. That is one video I am really looking forward to.

[@Jayiyagi]

Hopefully soon. I have a job and a life so I have to plan for it. As much as I’d love to, can’t drop everything and just go

[@miheadhurts]

@@Jayiyagi but the people here who you don't know, demand that you should go for our benefit 😉. I would be really interested in you reviewing Danny's high-end set up.

[@deoncruywagen5191]

@@Jayiyagi, thanks for taking the time to answer. I can understand that it is difficult, and we appreciate the fact that you're still willing to do it. My question sprang from the unusually long wait between videos. I needed my Jay's iyagi fix, man. 😂

[@Chuck--]

It appears that the x-over parts are much better quality than the drivers. Jay, I'm glad to see that you are not intimidated by what Danny has to say and holding onto your dbl blind test results.

[@Jayiyagi]

Thanks. The blind tests are not perfect and Danny does acknowledge that speaker at this price range does come with compromises. cheers

[@Jayiyagi]

@@farbschlachterei It is not worthless for me because it's my system and certainly many of my viewers find it valuable/helpful as I received many kind messages. What is truly worthless is you sitting on your chair and typing away your comment putting down others work with no work of your own to show; Instead, you can conduct a perfect double blind study yourself on video and report back. Show me how its done ;)

[@Rocker6969]

If I can only place the speaker 2 feet from the wall is the XLS encore worth getting ? Will it sound good ?

[@frederf69]

Danny is very helpful & responsive to email. I am interested in DIY as I can't afford great expensive speakers, & so therefore see this as a worth while compromise; doing some of the labour. Good follow up review, thanks 👍👍

[@TomlynAdvisors]

I'm new to the Encores, and what I see on KZbin is compelling. Been looking at Klipsch 600 / 8000, but have not heard the Encores. How much "better" are they in terms of Soundstage and replication ?

[@musiccritic8704]

As an previous owner of the rp 600m’s get the gr research hands down. The klipsch wont even compare. The klipsch will have MUCH more bass especially if you get the towers and the klipsch have amazing detail retrieval and really emphasize tiny details in the treble that you wont hear from other speakers, BUT the midrange is horribly sucked out and on some songs/recordings you don’t notice it but on the recordings with a lots of midrange harmonies, the klipsch sounds horrible which is why I returned them.

[@jimberge5884]

Isn’t it true that if you pull any speaker 5 feet from the wall you will get a much deeper sound stage :. ????

[@Jayiyagi]

Mmmm. Not always and the level of deepness depends. Ex. It’s not always the same ratio (distance:soundstage)

[@staLkerhu]

11:49 So, it is a bookshelf speaker which fails to be a proper bookshelf speaker. Like, I don't know how good it is regarding to other bookshelf solutions, but if it is designed to be at the middle of a room, and maybe it doesn't sound all that better than the others when placed close to a wall on an actual bookshelf or dresser, then what is the actual point? 🤔

[@Ryu288288]

Great review Jay, any plans on reviewing Arendale speakers, especially the 1723 Tower S THX?

[@rael2099]

Sturdiness in a speaker is important to me because I tend to run over my speakers with a truck by accident, all the time. Clumsy me.

[@Jayiyagi]

hahahaha

[@rlowes]

Would you say the treble is something like the original Buchardt S400? Like really smooth and even, but missing that bit of sparkle, air and bite?

[@Jayiyagi]

Mmm. Kind of. Id say the gr is more smooth and refined

[@robcaldarelli4520]

Is there a video where you talk about the diffusion on your front wall? Would love to hear more about it.

[@Jayiyagi]

Coming soon :)

[@anxiousappliance]

Thanks for your work. One thing - and maybe I misheard: The CSS 1tdx kit is $775.00/pair. But you're saying it is $1000.00 more than these? Am I missing something?

[@NosEL34]

I don't think this speaker is very practical for most homes.. 5 feet or more of a wall definitely wouldn't work for me. Placing it 2 feet off the wall while knowing it would sound better with an Xtra 3 feet or so would drive me nuts lol

[@Cujobob]

The ironic part about what is best for most homes is that large waveguide speakers control directivity the best which is the most important part about good sound in small rooms.

[@freone111]

I have built alot of these, and just to make it clear for everyone this speaker works well close to the wall. You have to understand that the purpose of bringing it out the room is maximizing the potential of any speaker to create soundstage. It is a misconception or a wrong perception to think that it only works 4 feet away.

[@simpsonbergman2185]

@@Cujobob I'm interested in that. What is an example of such a speaker?

[@alstonmaccow9386]

I’ve had a good sleep and woke still in a good mood and here is my thought on this review of this speaker and this nothing against Jay This should not have been a positive review and for 2 reasons 1 who has the room to have these speakers the distance from the wall? 2. The loose speaker binding post LOL that I just can’t live with and I would have stopped there and said no this is not acceptable.

[@freone111]

@@alstonmaccow9386 please go back to sleep

[@sentineldragon]

Can't recommend Frederick's work highly enough. He sold me the production AV123 XLS Encores and upgraded to the Sonicaps for half the price of a pre-built kit from GR-Research. New to the audiophile game, but I can already hear more than I could on my Emotiva B1+. For $600, I can cut my audio chops on these for a few years.

[@ziggy8757]

are the mids and highs on these encores better than emotiva b1+, more refined? what are your thoughts

[@Z-add]

is their a curvature array diy speaker for a PA system?

[@cobar5342]

I think you have over-estimated the assembly of the Encore. It is really easy and saves you heaps of cash. Not to mention that making speakers is fun! You can always get someone to build the boxes if you do not feel confident or have the equipment.

[@freone111]

You are correct, it is not that difficult.

[@4thewinir344]

But CSS makes it much simpler for the novice. I applaud the simplicity and strength of the flat pack they chose. Design-speaking, If Apple were to build a DIY speaker kit, it would be more like the CSS than the GR.

[@garyizzard839]

Epos have always used this type of connector. Plug in with decent banana plugs then listen to some music, sorted.

[@tallpaull9367]

Also something worth mentioning is that if planning to use a subwoofer, XLS encore is an even better value proposition. Personally, I would much rather spend $1000 less over getting CSS 1TDx and put that $1000 towards a good subwoofer. XLS and a Sub will blow away 1TDx !

[@Jayiyagi]

Depends on taste. Id personally still choose the css audio. Or course, if budget allows.

[@paulmelendez2834]

I have the XLS with upgrade crossover and Path resistors paired with a SVS sealed 3000 and it’s tremendous.

[@34332]

I'm with jay here. Adding a sub to a speaker that isn't my taste doesn't magically make it a better deal or more likeable. That doesn't make any sense.

[@1997inspire]

After reading your post I wont bother to post mine, you took the words out of my mouth.

[@obijuan8466]

@@34332 Makes all the sense in the world, if your only issue is low end extension.

[@HawkFest]

Thanks a lot for your channel, very enlightening! I'd have one question, which can also be considered as a suggestion for a clip (you must receive gazillions of such questions, and, as most other KZbinrs, probably give more consideration to those that are from your Patreon channel, but I'll still give it a try). *Q:* In all objectivity, what would you consider to be the best pair of speakers, for a budget under US $600 and a room of about 13'x16'? I listen to progressive rock, jazz, classic/acoustic, and sometimes pop/dance: an "all-around" pair of speakers... *Context:* I was a musician during my graduate school years, and then only a casual one (drums)... The thing is that after all those years of having my interests somewhere else, I've become completely ignorant about nowadays' audio market and its "value" offerings. But I have a good ear and can appreciate sound differences, isolate instruments in my head, feel a gallantly generous Bass but which doesn't overlap on mid-ranges, appreciate mid to high frequencies that are not rendered to give headaches in the long run (if not for a cheap background noise at lower volumes), etc...

[@Jayiyagi]

Hey, based on what your wrote, for a budget of under $600, there are a few choices. These videos below are for you to consider. These are older videos and some are higher than $600 but there are plenty below that price as well in these videos. kzbin.info/www/bejne/injcl4F8mqmlosk kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4e9Y3Z4bd6NasU

[@jackthecat6225]

Your amplifier experience is interesting. I have a Bryston 4B 3 an Encore 2500 and a Parasound A23 and have tried out class D amps from Schitt, Marantz, Topping and the Denafrips Hyperion. There seems to be a more variability when it comes to how Class D manufacturers "voice" their amps more so than the older designs and I don't know if it is intentional or how each design handles voltage a bit differently given a particular load. All the amplifiers sound differently, but the A/B designs seem to be more closely matched than some of the class D designs. I'm not really sure what to make of this or if there is really anything to it other than the amps just being different.

[@joeydelmarsjr.646]

have you tried the PRO-JECT SPEAKER BOX 5 S2?

[@adamjj85]

Nice balanced review Jay. Are NRC measurements still coming on this?

[@Jayiyagi]

Yes it’s coming :)

[@Declan4253]

Well now I have to comment on this one out of fairness. I commented on your initial reaction video to Danny's and thought you guys were way too defensive and ultimately too dismissive of what Danny was saying. I have seen your subsequent videos now and am pleasantly surprised and impressed with your objectivity and growth. Good luck to you and I will keep watching!

[@wiebl5266]

Forget what Jay said, go for the XLS encore, it IS a better speaker, period. I've bought both, and both are assembled by craftsmen. And in terms of sound depth, overall integrated sound, and especially the richness of the bass, not just low bass but also the mid bass. The vocal is not the most refined, but on the overall it has beaten speakers 3x its price. Jay's ego was destroyed when he talked to Danny about his earlier comments and so now he wants to "get back" at Danny by giving the review "It's good, but.... depends on your taste.... (a lot of qualifiers)" Go for the GR Research--Encore XLS. Yes yes yes, everything boils down to personal taste. But there is a less biased review, when you hear the review across many reviewers. So, check out the reviews of New Record Day, GoldenEar and a few more, then draw your conclusion.

[@mikeeygauthier2959]

So glad to see you’re using the ISOACOUSTICS Oreas under the speakers! I have them under my Focal solo 6s. What an awesome difference it makes. Was thinking of screwing the Gaia III s. What do you think. Thx.

[@Jayiyagi]

Gaia is great !

[@mikeeygauthier2959]

@@Jayiyagi I was thinking you could try screwing the Gaia III s to one of your bookshelf speakers; let me know your assessment!

[@FTGTapGod]

I hate when people comment on audio channels asking for "X vs X", but I'm curious if you've ever had the HiVi 3.1 in the room before? I saw a video a while back of the 2.2, but there really isn't a ton of info out there on the 3.1 (from people I trust). The reason I ask is because I built a pair a while back and have been heavily debating moving to the CSS 1TD. I know it's a $300 pair vs a $700 pair, but I'm worried it's not a dramatic enough step up.

[@a.gunther2069]

Are those Dynaudio Heritage Specials in the background?

[@SimplestUsername]

Basically, to optimize this speaker a compromise must occur. (room atheistic vs imaging) though, there is a third option for placement that I'm curious about. 1) 2 feet from the wall (room atheistic) 2) 5 feet from the wall (sound stage) 3) 5 feet from the wall mounted 7 feet above the ground (both?) I'm curious if option 3 would significantly ruin the sound signature and staging or if it's a viable option with minimal compromise.

[@tallpaull9367]

Odd to say that GR kit requires so much more work to assemble than the CSS?!? Assembling a flat pack from either CSS or GR should be quite similar. GR has a video showing how to assemble crossover, looks straight forward and easy to me.

[@Jayiyagi]

Good for you man. I was just looking at it from a first timer perspective. I just thought GR was harder for first timers from what I saw/heard from people that built it.

[@Stan_the_Belgian]

It's a point being repeated in the comments. There is indeed a flatpack available, the liberty of not having to buy the flatpack but make your own is a plus to me. In the end it's about taste, as jay says, they are a good speaker for the money.

[@danashay]

I'm thinking those beveled edges are where things get complicated. Tougher to align...

[@ggdfggdfgdffgfddg34]

is it better then dali menuate se?

[@Jayiyagi]

Not in my opinion but gr does have a softer sound

[@GentielioGaming]

Are these Dynaudio Heritage Specials in the background?

[@GentielioGaming]

Easter egg. Not the original stands though.

[@think2023]

Did you get to NRC?

[@helifynoe9930]

I here this a lot. "I am going to tell that I am going to tell you about what I am going to tell you, as soon as I tell you that I am going to tell you about it."

[@bennetbayer3103]

Hummm, for the same money (finished) would you choose this speaker or say, the Zu Audio Dirty Weekend 6?

[@Jayiyagi]

Can't really answer that because I haven't heard zu audio speakers in my room

[@hiresaudiocosta873]

Great review!!!! Thanks and keep up the great work!!

[@ayfj4572]

I would love you to compare the CSS speaker with the GR Research NX Studio's which I've heard is a big step up from the Encore.

[@mabehall7667]

Lots of caveats here. Sounds a lot like a review presented by one of the old audio magazines where they didn’t much care for the product but didn’t want to upset someone who buys a lot of advertising space. And yes, I know Danny didn’t pay you. After watching your and other reviews, I bought the CSS audio 2TD-X (I have a large room) and I couldn’t be happier. I’m sure there are better speakers than these but much better and I couldn’t stand it. I’ve spent more time listening to the 2TD-X the last 3 weeks than I spent listing to my Yamaha NS1000M the previous 2 years. The Yamahas are great speakers but WOW! Thanks for your work.

[@Jayiyagi]

glad you are happy with the CSS. Yes there are caveats but I tried to be fair about it and overall it is a great speaker for the money regardless imho

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

IME almost all speakers sound better for sound staging when you pull them out into the room. This is not specific for GR Research. Only exception are for speakers specifically designed for corners of the room like some Klipsh.

[@Jayiyagi]

Not specific to GR but the difference is more drastic because of the design goal

[@jeffkalina7727]

Good that you have A/B, D and Tubes for speaker testing. Is that D with Galium Nitride ? So you now can rate your amp preference for all the speakers you review.

[@wokthetalk3079]

I don’t think the Fiera4 uses Gallium Nitride mosfet Jeff. I’m hoping that Jay will reach out to Leo from Orchard Audio for his ClassD GaN mono blocks. Absolute Sounds raves about this power amp. Is the GaN-FET driver stage the latest and greatest or hype? What is the characteristic sound of GaN-FET and what types system/s are they best suited for? I see a few reputable manufacturers starting to use them, are we in the beginnings of a seed change in amplifier design and production?

[@mhester99]

Jay I’m Curious to know your thoughts on what I would likely need to do to take my bookshelf speaker listening to another level coming from a pair of Monitor Audio Silver S2. My power sources are an Onkyo TX-NR676 100wpc and a NAD 3300 60wpc high current integrated amp. Soundstage and imaging are important. Heavy bass is not critical for me. My sub can handle that. Not a fan of really bright speakers. Like would I need to spend $1000 to really jump up in quality? I’ve thought about going to see Danny to see about upgrading the MAs (and I would bring my Dahlquist DQ-18s too). Got those used for $65 and the MAs for $120!

[@dioncassius4348]

Dynaudio Heritage in the back?

[@Jayiyagi]

;)

[@J.O.R_BR_Overclocking]

Great end to an awesome SAGA! Thx Jay.

[@djfirestormx]

you might like the speakers i am working on. they will be done as soon as my cnc shows up. went all out and got a liquid cooled spindle and everything. my prototypes sound great, just making them look good now. then will have my page and everything up and going.

[@chelillingworth9466]

Did you not see that he has a flat pack available for this speaker?

[@Jayiyagi]

Yes. The point was not that they don’t have flat packs. It’s harder to assemble

[@chelillingworth9466]

@@Jayiyagi got it, that's good info, I would love GR to make things like crossover assembly more accessible, The way that CSS does that looks fantastic. I did GR's upgrade to the Klipsch RP 600M and it was amazing, and I've used some of the know-how I learned doing that to upgrade a pair of Klipsch forte ones which turned out great. The one thing that has helped me back from the building one of the GR kits is the lack of bass in in their bookshelf models because I don't want to go with a subwoofer in my room.

[@gene8933]

Take a trip to GR-Research give us a review on the rest of products.

[@J.O.R_BR_Overclocking]

The link to the XLS speaker-only kit w/ no cabinet is wrong (linking you to the cabinet), can you fix it?

[@Jayiyagi]

fixed ! Thank you :)

[@ManuelMedellin.]

please review Floorstanding speaker: - Monitor Audio Silver 500 7G (or 300 7G) - Arendal 1723 Towers Bookshelfs: - Triangle Comète 40th Anniversary (WILL blow you away)

[@HUZ9k3s5w]

Did you like the sound-signature from the inexpensive Sony SS-CS5 better than this XLS Encore speaker?

[@Jayiyagi]

naw. XLS is on another level compare to the Sony

[@HUZ9k3s5w]

@@Jayiyagi Thanks, got it.

[@paulwisconsin456]

Great review Jay. How would you compare these to the Tekton Lore Reference or Lore? Looking in the $1000 a pair range. Thank you for your thoughts.

[@dawidgolinski]

Is review of Willsenton r300b comming soon?

[@Jayiyagi]

Yep :)

[@bernardosilva7306]

Great review dude, but, one small correction I have to say from someone that built both: you can buy the flat pack from GR Research and the effort to build the cabinet becomes the exact same as the CSS (believe me, the flat pack quality is identical).

[@Jayiyagi]

thanks man. I only built the CSS and I heard from others that built both that the GR was harder for the first timer but again... both are relatively easy kits

[@vincentcorpuz1622]

That GR 6.5" Midwoofer works best in 30 liter cabinet tuned to 42 hz

[@cdteurosport]

Is that the Heritage Special in the background.

[@trito408]

For me, soundstage and clarity are the most important factors in looking for bookshelf speakers because everything else can be fixed by processing or addition of a subwoofer.

[@JayBeezy31]

your wasting your words. hes an elitist. he absolutely had to respond because the encores made so much noise on youtube

[@aeromaniac13]

Hey Jay! What's the speaker stand you're using in this video? They're pretty awesome man

[@Jayiyagi]

Thanks ! Triangle boomerang stands

[@njc9911]

I disagree with your assessment of what constitutes 'laid back' in terms of high frequency. The GRs are about as dead center as it gets, while something like Klipsch tends to be way too hot. Still, great video. Thanks for your hard work.

[@henriksrensen3220]

Hello Jay. Great video 👍

[@wokthetalk3079]

Great follow-up review Jay, I don’t think that the XLS Encores are a very practical chose for apartment or condominium dwellers. If one can place speakers 5’ off the back wall then why wouldn’t someone just buy a pair of LRS for less money and use the speaker cost savings towards better amplification to drive these entry level Maggies. Thank you for the amp gear pairing guidance. I finding that I am learning so much about equipment matching during this section of your reviews. I can’t speak to the cost rise of the XLS crossover parts post the pandemic but I also think that the Peerless Drivers used in the encores appear to be cheaply made by contrast to those used in the ITDX or, even drivers found in some comparably priced fully built bookshelf bookshelf speakers from such companies as Elac, Fluance, SVS, Triangle, Polk, Arendal or PSB. I recently looked at the drivers used in the 2 speaker kits sold by Madisound and they seem to be of better quality. Mind you they may not have what I have no doubt is a very well designed crossover supplied in the XLS but my gut tell me that SEAS or SB Acoustic divers are far more durable. The Encore kit is really getting pricey too now: -Drivers + Sonicaps & Miflex Copper Bypass Caps +Tube Connectors = $807 -MDF flat pack $175 This doesn’t include the No Rez that Danny recommends to use @ $55/sheet x2 and then there is the shipping, taxes/import duties & exchange rate differential (twice) one might have to pay. After glue & clamp assembly one needs to quarter all of the edges which will still result in an unfinished look that will require even more labor to cost + labor to cover…. I can’t say that this is a bargain!

[@34332]

Good point.

[@freone111]

I think most of people need to understand that 4 feet concept. As Jay stated in the video, that distance will give you a glimpse of what a hi- end presentation will give. The use of hi quality crossover parts are beneficial to creating this. It is not necessary to place them at 4 feet, you will still get good soun d and great value close to the wall. As for DIY, you should value your own labor as free. The reason why most of us go DIY is to get more value for our money at the same time have fun and gain knowledge doing the project. If you are in the other side of the spectrum then buying commercial speaker should be better for you. You should not discourage people as there is knowledge and experience to be gained.

[@Jayiyagi]

I personally would choose the LRS given that I can have both speakers out at least 3 feet from the wall behind it BUT that is just personal preference - the sound from a panel is very different from a boxed speaker design. Keep in mind that the Maggies are also more demanding of amplifier pairings than the XLS

[@DethFromAbove1985]

For me personally I don't care much about what a speaker has below the waste. The magic is all from the lower midrange to the tippity top. I will always have subs for bass extension.

[@BruceCross]

I'm surprised the sound wasn't as good with the Denafrips Thallo as the Class D amp (Starke Sound Fiera4). You never know until you try it.

[@Jayiyagi]

I was surprised too !

[@TheRealSnakePlisken]

After listening to your review, I think Danny has a more persuasive agument for the sound quality and build logic of the XLS.

[@dmark2639]

Nice review, Jay. Most people are used to a more forward and bumped up treble with modern speakers....that "zing" and presence you mentioned. Most times, it's just recalibrating your ears to a more accurate, neutral frequency response. My guess is that these speakers have more of a natural sound you would hear 10 rows back in an auditorium, versus onstage sitting beside the violin section. I would love to see your review adding the open baffle GR Research subs!

[@mortlach186]

I have to ask, those tube connectors, you're not the first one to seem to sound like you're on the fence about them. I'm looking at an update kit for my speakers and the T C's are an issue with me and mainly how they restrict what you can use with them. And the fact that they become loose over time. Also the kit went up an additional $115.00.

[@terrencebucker]

You'll probably have to spend at least $35 (plus shipping) from some place like Parts Express to get binding posts of comparable quality.

[@Jayiyagi]

Tube connectors... I am on the fence about it for sure as it does come with some downsides that I personally don't want in my setup (like not being able to use spades and the tolerance) but not totally against it... Maybe I will be more convinced if I get to compare it to a regular binding post of similar price upgrading other speakers is another topic. I don't really consider what danny does with other speakers as an "upgrade" but rather a re-voicing with his personal interpretations of what it should sound like using quality parts. Nothing wrong with that but consider the fact that lots of R&D goes into designing a speaker and bringing it to market and changing to higher grade component is one thing but changing the overall tuning of the speaker is a whole another matter and I personally consider it a "modification" and not an "upgrade" But if it sounds better to you, by all means it's an upgrade :)

[@mortlach186]

@@terrencebucker I have quite a few posts in my arsenal; Edison Price(all time Fav), WBT, Cardas Copper, and Vampire to choose from and all solid copper. Also, the T-C's are sixty bucks. Still cheap. My WBT expandable posts are $50.00 each times eight($400.00) for both ends.

[@dmark2639]

@@Jayiyagi I disagree with you on this point. If you watch Danny's videos, it is clear that most of the speakers he modifies have very cheap parts inside. It is most definitely an upgrade to replace those parts with much higher quality parts. The voicing is a separate issue entirely. Certainly the frequency response measurements are very much improved in accuracy every time. Whether that is your ear's preference is open for interpretation...

[@Jayiyagi]

@@dmark2639 you said you disagree but that’s basically what I said …

[@riccitone]

The XLS Encores seem they would check a lot of boxes in my case? Running solid state pre and GaN/D power amp, smallish treated room and a Rel T7/x. Great review as always!

[@angelotig]

Question..is the woofer on the GR research XLS the same used on the Totem Rainmaker speaker??

[@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox]

Very interesting review 👍 Jim 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🙂

[@jvaderberry]

Xls vs Lumina 2? Thoughts?

[@Jayiyagi]

XLS is way softer and smoother. Lumina is more contrasty and brilliant on the top end. Build on the Lumina is gorgeous and elegant with it's Italian craftmanship and XLS is a DIY so... (sky is your limit)

[@markrigg6623]

I sent my pair to Klipsch and they modified the crossover for me.

[@anxiousappliance]

2 springs and a paperclip? Ha ha

[@billd9667]

My problem with pure copper connectors is that they tarnish. IMO, brass is better. Oh, and Naim uses what are basically tube connectors (female). Their tolerances are tighter too.

[@tothemax324]

WTH, brass is junk 😂

[@Furax02]

I have these with a 'cost-effective' Polk Audio sub, and they disappear completely. At the price point, it's virtually unbeatable, and, I am using Type 45 tube push-pull monoblocks and get PLENTY of volume.

[@tallpaull9367]

I do agree that the woofer looks a bit cheap and plastic. Maybe the kit could cost a bit less or the drivers could be a bit nicer.

[@jayarmstrong]

Danny goes out of his way to have his driver's made with polymer frames. Says they're the least resonant and make the best frame material. So the 'weight equals quality' concept may need to be revised.

[@Jayiyagi]

@@jayarmstrong absolutely true. Weight does not always equate to quality and not sure if that was even true (mostly was a joke for many) but this can also be seen in the headphone world as well in cases of Sennheiser headphones that use high quality plastic for weight reduction (for comfort)

[@jayarmstrong]

@@Jayiyagi yeah, it really depends on the part and design goals now that we have all these amazing materials.

[@editorjuno]

How can a DIY two-way speaker kit represent good value when you can buy a pair of excellent three-way active speakers for less than USD $800 MSRP? I guess if you really love to DIY, but still....

[@robh7106]

Because when you spend $800 for four drivers and the parts needed for two crossovers you are getting top of the line products with outstanding performance. When you spend the same $800 for a pair of manufactured 3-way active speakers most the money is going into the retailers pocket and the manufacturers cost for the cabinet, assembly labor, internal amplifiers, and mark up. So the amount left for the drivers is a very small part of the $800 and as a result you are getting cheap low performance drivers. The difference in the final sound quality is huge.

[@freone111]

I doubt you can buy a excellent 3 way for $800

[@vincentcorpuz1622]

Or put the port in the front baffle

[@tmdillon1969]

The comment "$1000 more" took me aback. The GR Research XLS Encore with the middle option on electronics, tube connectors, and flat pack is $878. The CSS 1 TDX with similar guts and flat pack is $934. That's $56, not $1000. Am I missing something or is Jay?

[@Jayiyagi]

I believe I was talking about full option vs full option. With all upgrades on both sides

[@tmdillon1969]

@@Jayiyagi GR = $982 to CSS = $1334. The CSS comes with the crossover boards and sound-deadening materials.

[@FOH3663]

Solid work Jay, nice! What's your best guess on the amp's capability that elicited the more favorable sound character with the alternate amp? As you point out, synergy of the amp/speaker combo is vital, simply curious in this case what you feel is responsible for this. You mentioned another listener... were you both in agreement of your general findings? fyi; vid production quality is very good, keep it up it's appreciated.

[@Jayiyagi]

Thanks! Fiera does have more finesse. It could be that the gr requires more brighter amps? It’s hard to say because I don’t find the Denafrips’s thallo to be dull or rolled off with other speakers.

[@rwlewko]

@@Jayiyagi Jay, have you heard the Simaudio Moon 340i? How do you think each of these would pair with that amplifier?

[@Jayiyagi]

@@rwlewko I have heard it but not with the GR. Not sure how they would pair up but I'd guess from both sound signature that it will be just an OK match

[@progrock3603]

This speaker or the Sonus Faber Sonetto ll. I know the Sonetto line isn’t your fav. and is the Nova 1 in a different league?

[@Jayiyagi]

Nova is more balanced and id say in a different league. Id choose the gr over sonetto. Personal taste

[@progrock3603]

Perfect. Thank you!

[@seanb3303]

If you like string instrument zing you would love Tekton Lore.

[@Jayiyagi]

I do 😂

[@jeffkalina7727]

When will you be visiting Danny's place in Texas?

[@Jayiyagi]

When time allows

[@jeffkalina7727]

@@Jayiyagi One day will do it. Been there twice.

[@fletchermunson6225]

I thought you were going to have these speakers tested by an independent lab?

[@Jayiyagi]

NRC. Yep. It will be posted soon

[@latle111]

Omg Gatos. How are they?

[@markhampton7559]

The Class D Amp probably has a higher dampening factor.

[@bruceprouse5562]

Still can hear the bias.

[@vynleshmynle7372]

It’s a pick up truck. You could run the back tire over your foot with no issues. This a perfect example of GR audios exaggerations.