THE SHOOTING RANGE 221: Triathlon SPAAGs / War Thunder

In this episode:
● Pages of history: the story of two competing aces;
● Triathlon: comparing medium tier SPAAGs;
● Metal Beasts: a French multirole fighter.
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[@yoshiegg95]

„Not the Wirbelwind, it outclasses everyone else“ Italy: R3 go vroom

[@radenprasetyo8234]

Don't forget the bootleg version of wilberwind

[@nervous3782]

YoshiEgg95 I was thinking the same

[@constantinocampero6722]

Raden Prasetyo the zsd or the m42?

[@organic1714]

Totally balanced ))))

[@radenprasetyo8234]

@@constantinocampero6722 the one with pasta not vodka

[@troutwarrior6735]

Lol I love how they just acknowledge that the wirbelwind is overpowered 😂

[@nonameswerechosen]

but not the r3 apparently

[@idk28751]

@@nonameswerechosen The R3 T20 Autocancer launcher

[@Hagem76]

Whenever I use it I get pounded all the time and can never kill planes

[@mariofan191101]

Gaijin: Wirbelwind outclasses everyone Also gaijin: *R3 and ZSD*

[@mariofan191101]

@@MichaeL-sd7wz True but compared to slow firing high caliber AA its better

[@AnEvilSomebody]

The ZSD has a comically long reload though

[@alecritchie5669]

Who would’ve guessed that the lowest BR spaa would be disqualified for being too good. I’m not including the R3 because it’s actually 5.7 but gaijin accidentally put a 3 instead of a 5

[@sorincaladera936]

@PBJMan i use it at 8.0 and it kicks ass

[@nebelparderde4503]

Yes just Yes

[@apiece_]

PBJMan eh 1x20mm wouldn’t really be suitable for facing jets, but 5.7 is fine

[@ghostcornel9306]

@@sorincaladera936 because non of the 8.0 tanks know the meaning of side armor and thats why the r3 gets better with higher br

[@sorincaladera936]

@@ghostcornel9306 gotta shave weight somewhere to add to the front lol

[@isharveerdhillon8348]

wirbelwind: smh peasants

[@Shizuka935]

The wibel is AE anti Everything

[@edwalmsley1401]

It was even more deadly years ago when it had access to pure ap belts

[@lt_darkseekerantique3911]

*cancerwind

[@Shizuka935]

@@edwalmsley1401 same i love my wibil

[@Shizuka935]

@@lt_darkseekerantique3911 more canzer is the italian r3 and the rusian milktruck and the falcon in spetial the falcon

[@jakobc.2558]

Immagine all the new "pages of history" episodes you could make once the *B-26 Marauder* is in the game. With over 5000 build and being used by 3 of the ingame nations there are going to be a lot of highly interesting storys that you could use for your shooting range episodes.

[@Ori--pw5vw]

Yup giajin also needs to add Romania they lack in axis countries Romania had lots of planes

[@nebelparderde4503]

They have some problem with the license for the Maurader

[@jakobc.2558]

@@nebelparderde4503 can I please have a source?

[@insertname.5985]

I say don’t worry about adding new bombers. Mainly fix the heavy bombers first. We always die easily to bf 109s.

[@nebelparderde4503]

@@jakobc.2558 Unfirtunately Not. I think I heard TheEuropeanCanadian talking about it but im not entirely shure.

[@mrmcmoustache9615]

Everyone else: “NOO YOU CANT HAVE A POST-WAR SPAA WITH WW2 VEHICLES” Gaijin: “haha R2 go BRRRRRRRRRRRRR”

[@masterolof138]

Oke i dont want to be anoying so im not gonna tell you what to fix 2 - 3

[@Combatwombat-sn7ng]

so they just admitted the wirbelwind is better than the ostwind... so why is the ostwind higher BR?????????????? Also, so the wirbelwind isnt fair but the R3 is..... good job gaijoob

[@jameson1239]

Welcome to gaijiggles

[@scunthorpe5513]

Because the ostwind at a lower br would destroy tanks more so than the wirblewind at its current br.

[@Combatwombat-sn7ng]

@@scunthorpe5513 lmao the wirbel has more pen than the ostwind

[@justasimplegamer129]

@@Combatwombat-sn7ng Wirbelwind - 20mm guns Ostwind - 37mm ?????? I dont see wirbel having the better pen here

[@lt_darkseekerantique3911]

Stupid lunchbox

[@pamme5748]

Find it funny that they say the wirbelwind will outclass everything so they choose the ostwind, a higher tier. Then why is the wirbelwind lower in the tree?!

[@memengineer5714]

My guess is antitank balance - a 37mm gun is better at tank-killing than 20mms.

[@thebravegallade731]

@@memengineer5714 actually the 20 mil is better past 4.0 the ostwind would be utterly broken at 3.7, it has APHE, but less pen

[@pamme5748]

@@memengineer5714 not if you ask the R3 t20

[@memengineer5714]

@@pamme5748 The r3 is gaijin logic bs, and it belongs at 5.7

[@shrekdrek5242]

Welcome the contests... the American hot dog launcher, the German bratwurst launcher, the Russian vodka launcher, the British biscuit launcher, the Chinese tea launcher, the Italian pizza launcher, the French baguette launcher, and the Swedish breath taker

[@edelweiss-]

Hot dog is originally swedish :)

[@yourlocalt72]

america is cola launcher

[@VKK-cr1uk]

So you disqualify the Wirbelwind for being too good so the sensible thing to do is uptier it right,by switching the Ostwind 1 because 4 20s with HVAP beat 1 37 without HVAP Also are you trying to tell us that the R3 is balanced?

[@Puffman270]

they say the r3 is balanced because of thunder stats/win rate

[@LazOyuncu61]

It is almost needless to say that you are clearly trying so hard to hide how unbalanced the R3 is in it's current BR.

[@littleface7060]

I main italy and let me tell you, The r3 needs to go to 6.3 in realistic and maybe 5.0? in arcade

[@antonsaiko]

Let's just hope that they're doing SOMETHING, it's probably not true but let's just hope.

[@raindropbebop]

"R3 is unbalanced". Meanwhile Gaijin won't even put the Wirbelwind in the runnings because there would be no contest.

[@axeavier]

@@littleface7060 do you have tank more kills Than deaths on your profile for the r3

[@thebravegallade731]

@@littleface7060 i say 5.0 is fair, as most mediums and heavies will fair OK against it. 5.0-6.0 is the BR of very heavy heavies, decently armored mediums, AND quick lights. it'll fit right in with the m18 and french lights

[@WParcival]

"we are not getting the wirlbelwind because it is to good" "for Italy the RE"

[@davidty2006]

Wirblewind and R3 are equel since they are both deadly tank killers even at top tier!.... Yes they are a utter joke.

[@Zero_2558]

@@davidty2006 I use wirbelwind to kill Abrams and it never disappoints me for always getting a kill In top tier game

[@commandergeokam2868]

@@Zero_2558 lol

[@thebravegallade731]

@@davidty2006 at least you can HIT the wirbl if you see one.

[@Manboophin]

gaijin: no, not the Wirbelwind, it outclasses all others here also gajin: *includes r3*

[@1nv15BL3]

I like how everyone automatically assumes the R3 is totally unbalanced, yet the italian tank tree is the least played one

[@erisdelta5950]

gaijin: balances vehicles based on averege K/Dr of a vehicle. R3-t20's recipe for getting a low K/D Winrate: Clueless spawn camping Tryhards and Cap rushing Bas***** that get killed in the process.

[@popcornhead8359]

idea: add another "nation" called miscellaneous which contains all the vehicles from countrys that do not have enough vehicles to make an entire tree

[@Someone-bx9ux]

i mean, no body will research it,unless a youtuber makes videos about them,just imagine researching 2 australian planes,while trying to gather money to buy the turkish m60

[@davidty2006]

@@Someone-bx9ux Thats the point of youtubers they are free advertisement.

[@Antenne02]

Not really ONE misc. I would imagine a nation like "minor axis" or "minor allies" to fit with realistic battles

[@professorpannell4824]

You mean China?

[@davidty2006]

The only nation that i can think of having enough vehicles to make a small tree is Israel.

[@fuso8639]

And now is when gaijin realised that japan doesnt has any mid tier SPAA besides the So-Ki wich wasnt included in the triathlon

[@agustinbinello9753]

It was on the video for like 2 sec... I hope that counts

[@juliopedrogasparetovigollo706]

Question: What are the "sights" at the end of modern mbts guns and how do they work?

[@Ciechan-96-]

I think they're the laser rangefinders

[@davidty2006]

Or a reference marker to know where the end of the barrel is.

[@fire304]

They are alignment devices for the gun. The gun's ballistic computer watches it and uses it to account for minor changes in the shape of the barrel as it heats and cools.

[@user-gn8hf2ig7w]

@@fire304 he is right.

[@user-gn8hf2ig7w]

@@davidty2006 wrong

[@StrvB-kp8jr]

They're trying to tell us that R3 is balanced.

[@davidty2006]

And the Wirble wind is not? erm both are OP at close range.

[@szymonkus6227]

Davidty 2006 wirbel is easier to dodge due to slower bullets

[@ilyoowdebondt8036]

@@davidty2006 Sure they are, problem Is that the R3 can be close range (and probably behind you) in seconds

[@agustinbinello9753]

R3 is still the most broken AA in lower br, can kill early jets with low effort but it just sits on 4.3 for low win rate

[@kabe2337]

Gaijin please answer: can we get Pages of history: Finnish air force during Winter and Continuation war? (WW2)

[@turgeon1235]

Its not really things ingame so I would be surprised

[@kabe2337]

Still, most of the planes Finland did use during that time was not built in Finland. They were bought from all ower the world

[@Ori--pw5vw]

@@kabe2337 but still axis had a lot of countries as well but only three are in the game the finland and Romanian tech trees could have a lot of planes

[@wackamole3308]

No xD

[@OT-qr3fe]

At gaijin: will Finnish tech be added ingame?

[@kenichi9103]

when war thunder admits that the wirbel is op

[@AndreDiasRJ]

"Pages of history" was vey good

[@jhonatanjohnson7769]

Indeed!

[@daniel_f4050]

I still can’t understand why the R3 has such a low BR. It simply “feels” wrong for a modern SPAAG with such superb mobility and firepower to face vehicles from the early 1940s.

[@warhubnia164]

I'm new to the game what Is i just want to know what it is BR

[@daniel_f4050]

@@warhubnia164 BR is Battle Rating. It’s the relative strength of a vehicle used to determine which enemy, and friendly, vehicles are in your game.

[@warhubnia164]

Thanks for tell me

[@threnn9509]

This triathlon was a total joke R3 and chinese plastic spaag a clearly the winners.

[@Master-bj8mt]

I see that you never played dca40 ^^

[@jeffreygrotenhuis493]

Hi, is it possible we get an air triathlon with planes with big guns? ie (Hs129 b Pby, Mosquito, b18)

[@Abi-fo7gh]

i think you mean pbj not pby and t18b2 not b18 but good idea anyways

[@jpetras16]

Me-410 wins followed by Ki-109, next

[@thegiantrat4271]

Q: Do you plan on adding folding wings? Planes like the F4U Corsair and most naval planes have them. They might not do anything useful, but it would look cool and add to the realism.

[@drezworthy]

The story about the aces was exceptionally good. Great episode!

[@GyprockGypsy]

It's funny. As a child I was taught that America was in a bad place with in it's war with Japan, and that the nukes were dropped out of desperation to end the war. It's only as an adult that it becomes pretty obvious that Japan never had a chance against the American military in the first place from financial or strategic point of view, and the only real American loses were at Pearl Harbor. Even then it was a very targeted strike against dry docked and unmanned high value naval targets of opportunity where almost no civilians lost their lives. How did 'Merica respond? Prison camps, nukes on civilian cities, and military occupation.

[@grass123]

The soviets was the main reason of why japan surrended, not the nukes.

[@Liverpool2102MHB]

Bruce sounds like a really nice guy, it’s a pity he knows nothing about the state of the game though.

[@GhostKnight22]

Liverpool 2102 He’s just a messenger

[@DelinaSilence]

Why do vehicles get repair costs so high that most players wouldn't risk flying or driving it? Is it more viable to change their BRs respectively? With repair costs, I usually stay away from vehicles with repair costs higher than 13k spaded (or 9k stock) since the risk is not worth the reward.

[@ilyoowdebondt8036]

Repair costs are meaningless in a fight. All that meta balancing is just ignoring the actual problem

[@pvt.smasher6311]

the wireblewind is a SPAEG, Self Propelled Anti Everything Gun xD

[@davidty2006]

You know theres a boat version of it. And it has 4x as many guns.

[@Abi-fo7gh]

@@davidty2006 plus the 37mm

[@razeel2000]

I appreciate the Uhu' s screen time at the end. Great plane! :)

[@MilHistoria]

So what was the runner up in 4th place for the triathlon, cause I’m sure that no one actually views the R3 T20 as being a balanced competitor with the other SPAAGs given its current state in the game.

[@psoma_brufd]

Please please fix the BR of the R3 T20, it would be quite comfortable at 5 or even 6.0, but would even do fine at much higher.

[@swedishstyle9778]

Hi! Any chance we could get some more WW2 tanks this year?

[@stilpa1]

Cough cough chi ha lg, ba-11, kv-1e cough

[@radenprasetyo8234]

@@stilpa1 kv-1e isn't new tho, it appeared in the premium just now but it's already there

[@yajamanvamsikrishna509]

Surely we get many ww2 thanks every year. But they will be event vehicles most of the time

[@stilpa1]

@@yajamanvamsikrishna509 true

[@davidty2006]

Maybe some Syrian panzers? or Israeli Shermans?

[@rankavik2651]

Pages of history is typical WT battle, nothing new for us there.

[@rarejavelin6547]

US pilot: i don't need to side climb...instead i'm gonna dogfight that zero in my American big boi

[@rankavik2651]

@@rarejavelin6547 And head on, always head on.

[@Windows95__]

11:04 even gaijin assume that the wilberwind is op

[@tigerii10.5cmpog4]

Yeeee Laughs at British tanks (Carnarvon) for its side armour

[@Snowaxe3D]

IKR, I was hoping to see it after reading the title,

[@urdnotwrex6969]

Q: When will USA get their (non-premium) wheeled vehicles? They still have none.

[@enjoywatchingyoutube3346]

M3 GMC : *exists*

[@matump9879]

@@enjoywatchingyoutube3346 it is half-track

[@urdnotwrex6969]

@@enjoywatchingyoutube3346 half track isnt wheeled vehicle. Ofc China got greyhound as reserve, but america got it as event vehicle, never to be seen obtainable ever again.

[@BarracudaBarracuda-vi6ec]

My Gosh Bruce, you are HILLARIOUS!!! Love watching The Shooting Range while on break in my semi truck! 😂🚛👍

[@deadsnake_war]

Q: Will we ever see more South African vehicles in game for example the Olifant mk 1B, AH2 Rooivalk or the Ratels , since we have already 2 in game ?

[@jeandrebosman]

im sure they will eventually, Rooivalk is to good to miss and the olifant is just another variant of the Cent. SA have weird vehicles that will put Italy and Sweden to shame

[@graemebell2484]

So this is what it feels like to be first

[@Puppy_kicker74]

You gonna tell us how it feels, or just stand there?

[@RyanTheHero3]

Did I ask

[@Puppy_kicker74]

@@RyanTheHero3 No. If you could read I asked.

[@RyanTheHero3]

Reese231 Did I ask

[@Puppy_kicker74]

@@RyanTheHero3 yes you did.

[@Chris-iy6du]

In a pages of history about P-38 Lightning, you said that there was a can of coke holder installed in the cockpit and I cannot seem to find it in game. Where can I find it?

[@Abi-fo7gh]

when you don't add the tailerons to the javelin so you can say that the jaguar is the only plane with them in the game

[@challengeaccepted790]

Question: When can we see new gameplay objectives besides capturing a point?

[@ToastGamingNCrew]

I think a maze sort of team battle royale could be cool

[@NathanPa-xo3zj]

11:26 I see what you did there to us cultured viewer of anime lol

[@jamesshaw3500]

I don't

[@edelweiss-]

Dont start smoking, Its highly addictive! War Thunder: hold my Wodka

[@Vibakari]

This pages of history is basically an average air rb match

[@uranium98]

Wow.... I didn't even think why T-80U's soncling device is off-centered. Thanks for information, Gaigin!

[@tr00nf0n]

Got here faster than a hellcat can get to point A

[@yajamanvamsikrishna509]

No.

[@darandandan315]

*laughes in R3*

[@subscriberswithoutvideos-hm7mq]

Point A? Attack the D Point

[@dihar5966]

11:26 , That was really beautiful drift from italy

[@lyrooo326]

Great really informative and had a lot of fun watching the show.

[@finnrissa4594]

Good that they recognize the Wirbelwind’s power

[@ghost-dg6tj]

But apparently not the r3 t20

[@davidty2006]

Yeah might be because earlier i utterly messed up a R3 with a stirling by dropping 9 bombs onto it.

[@finnrissa4594]

ghost 1828 R3 is doodoo in practice it just Op because it’s modern. In actuality it dies a ton and it doesn’t contribute to games kften

[@kombatace7971]

"Lets see whos the fastest." The R3: Its showtime

[@GroundZERO267]

I think this game would change a lot if they added nations capitols to the games in tank RB like: Moscow, Washington D.C, Paris, London, and even Rome

[@byziness4613]

Is it possible that the Dardo ifv can be added?

[@Shizuka935]

No plz no

[@ringotran64]

Yes

[@Shizuka935]

@@ringotran64 no

[@gabrielebottani9353]

yes

[@matthewvanheerden7761]

Question: how to play the Fw 190 in air rb when out classed by faster climbing and armed aircraft

[@sirilluminarthevaliant2895]

Americans in 5.0 br. Oh tell me more

[@minigunnathaniel]

I like the little history lesson

[@MechaG2]

Awesome episode! Really dug this one! 💪

[@seasuper3402]

Gaigin: no wirbelwind because its too powerful Also Gaigin: the italian R3 T20 FA-HS

[@Wedgetail14]

Ah, what a relaxing SPAA day!

[@jeremielarin1979]

Did you Know that the first air battle was two recon plane, one French and one German one. They cross paths and a guy on the French plane took it’s revolver and attack the other plane which turned around. WWI. The End. P.S. it’s hard to write a comment and watch a spaa triathlon

[@dr.pop2562]

could we ever have napalm or fire bombs, the use of them would be to light up the area (for night maps) and can distroy tires ( AMX 10RC and centauro )

[@raphioulefifou6587]

Triathlon : heavy bombers !

[@dinnynugget3586]

Plane: jaguar Engine: rolls Royce Hotel: trivago

[@eyalserussi665]

>dissqualifies the Wirbelwind because it outclasses everything >lets the R3 in the triathlon Gaijin logic

[@pvt.smasher6311]

dat voice never gets old. bruce's voice is just amazing

[@thief1779]

Fix the up-br's and balance instead of adding top tier and premium vehicles. CMON cant u see that people are going away from this game? IT could be so awesome ...

[@madmonsterbbb9131]

11:39 Tuat's definitely a mouthful name

[@breakfastman6138]

Question : when can we get a cockpit update for bomber like the b17, sterling ect?

[@Oof_2nd]

Question: Are we going to get modern warships like missile frigate and modern destroyers in the future or the naval battle will only focus on WW2 vehicles?

[@Lucas-ef3de]

Hi Gaijin! I got an idea for how to make battles more interesting: Make the real sights on the tanks you're playing. The shells with same velocity and weight can have the same sight, But it wpuld be nice and more entertaining this way. You can make them at least for simulator battles. Also if you will try to say to get sights from your official site won't work, because I already tried this a lot of times, no one worked.

[@GyprockGypsy]

Jesus, you must be sick. For a split second I was like "Nooooooo! They got a new voice actor!"

[@CanuckBacon]

Narrator: "Need more air in my lungs..." proceeds to say medium length name Me: do you have covid???

[@emilianoabad8179]

Q: Which are the planes, tank and ship, that are in the logo of WarThunder

[@edwardkenway148]

I need Answares

[@davidty2006]

Erm tank is a T34-85 and thats what i know exactly. I think.

[@subscriberswithoutvideos-hm7mq]

Tank is T-34-85, plane is Bf 109.

[@ob1kenobi748]

Can't wait to get playing again once I get my graphics card

[@britishguy339]

Could you do a triathlon of top tier premium tanks? It would be interesting to see

[@TikerFighter]

so you guys tell us post ww2 SPAAGs are better than ww2 SPAAGs? Not sure if we needed a Triathlon to find this out

[@davidty2006]

Well the answer was obvious the Wirblewind.

[@Snowaxe3D]

who cares, They disqualified Wirbelwind for being too good, so we know who's the real winner.

[@rarejavelin6547]

@@Snowaxe3D the R3 should have been the one to get disqualified

[@dantunsoiu7177]

Gaijing, can you do something with the last mission from the Japanese historical campaign? I know it`s quite old but it seems that you don`t have enough bombs to kill the Hornet so you cant progress the missio. Also will you add more unlockable camos for planes, I quite like the ones on the A6M2 and I wish there were more of them.

[@jamesshaw3500]

I found another couple of missions while your at it

[@friesingcold]

Why isn’t the T95e1 modeled with the silica fused armor that it was tested with? We have ballistic information regarding its protection, it was even considered for the XM60.

[@kakz1466]

Awesome Pages Of History!!!

[@yourtaxcollector7198]

half of all the spaa's use the bofors gun, and I was supprised when I heard that some had to move closer

[@TheT-90thatstaresintoyoursoul]

all tanks removed in 1.91 existed on things other than paper. Maus: Full tank Panther 2: Hull, turret, not NVD. Turret type: Panther F with NVD Tiger 2 10.5: Turret, hull, gun in testing Flakpanzer 341: hull, wooden turret

[@viciousslayer]

"the wirbelwind outclasses everyone here" also wirbelwind : 3.7BR

[@Azuwu101]

Hey Gaijin! Could you tell us some backstory about how and why the BI-1 was made?

[@tatertot2540]

Not testing or considering the almighty wirbl boy is like a curse

[@pivotboy2062]

R3=5.3 is the new slogan we need

[@greenykowski5064]

I would love to see the A-10 Warthog in the game

[@matthieuzglurg6015]

the AMX DCA 40 really is a marvel tho. Even at high BRs

[@tethboth1880]

The r3 needs to be at 6.3 it is clearly the best spaa in the game rn

[@slk7376]

15:07 You really did my boi So-ki dirty 😞

[@OT-qr3fe]

Hi, I would like advice for the IS-4m and SU-122-54. I'm have two main problems: -Fighting and brawling against tanks of rank V on the IS-4m. -Hitting targets at more than 0.5km away with the SU-122-54. P.S. Love the show. The Welcome to the Jungle video helped me a lot.

[@X_124]

I wanna see how War Thunder adds tanks, ships and planes into the game. Like models and sounds. I'd love to see something like that!

[@dr.pop2562]

thank you for the BR decompression to 10.7 i think it should go to 12.0 but so far you doing good

[@realfreemaple]

wirblewind outclasses everything. Laughs in R3

[@TheCourier006]

Q: "Pages of history" The Wirbelwind and the Ostwind?

[@himmelsjager7182]

Question: Where is the German Phantom? And a you May can do it in the BF 110 line under the G91.

[@drewmaus8879]

"The French SEPECAT Jaguar" *Cries in British*

[@mathieu722]

This plane is the result of the work of France and England, the first proto was totally French when England come in the program, and SEPECAT is a French acronym, and here he presents the French version, Jaguar A, so ...

[@drewmaus8879]

@@mathieu722 I'm well aware that it was originally for an Armée de l'air requirement and built mostly by the French, but if it wasn't for the help of the British the aircraft wouldn't have become what it is today.

[@thusharikabotheju5655]

Halp plz. Does fire damage other modules and does higer number of shell give a larger explosion.

[@Thomas-sc1sp]

Q: Will we see top modern vehicles in the future (Leopard 2A7,T-90,Newer Abrams and Challenger 2 Variants and so on...)?

[@kiaan1317]

Bruce gives the hint: The jaguar is the only plane with the unique (talirons) so far......