The Short King: Jotoman vs AF Turkish vs AF Tatar [shooting session at the end]

[@richartist40]

Always great info ..you get the details where most others do not ..great curation ..

[@etoxicty9]

From where I can get these bow?

[@bambooarchery]

Please WhatsApp me at [phone]

[@snakeoveer1046]

Do you have any ewperience with bows from simsek or metbows?

[@bambooarchery]

I've tried a simsek but not a metbow. The simsek stacked very badly, I can't even reach my normal drawlength. Also handshock is quite notable during the short test.

[@philozoraptor6808]

Hi I have two questions: 1) Draw weight impact on max draw length - some manufacturers that make laminated horsebows with long draw length (AF and Alibow for example) state that thier bows have shorter maximum draw length with higher draw length (lets say 35 inches with 35 pound bow but only 33 inches with 50 pound bow of same model). Why is that? Since you are very experienced with bows, did you ever shoot horn-sinew composite bow? Does it feel like fibreglass, or laminated bow, or something else entirely?

[@bambooarchery]

When material bends, one side stretches and another compresses. Somewhere in between, the material experiences nothing, neither tensile nor compression. It is called neutral axis. The further the skin is from the neutral axis, the more strain it will experience. Every material has a strain limit, which is how much it can stretch or compress, before it starts failing. Lower poundage has thinner limbs, so for the same given bend, the skin experiences less strain. Higher poundage has thicker limbs, so for the same exact bend, the skin experiences more strain. So higher poundage will reach material strain limit sooner than the lower poundage on the same exact model, which means reduced max drawlength. Depends on how the maker/seller wants to advertise his product, for example the Jotoman 45# is capable of 32" draw. However, I advertise as 31" max to account for margin of error. Jotoman 20# can bend even more, but I'll just keep it at 31" to avoid confusion among users. I have shot a Manchu sinew-horn-composite. The initial draw weight is weak, the poundage doesn't build much initially. The poundage increases more rapidly after a few inches, meaning not smooth draw. That's not good, lower energy storage. The arrow launch feels weak because there's less energy storage, less power. Hence vibration is also naturally less since there's less power to begin with. Hornbows can better tolerate lower gpp mainly because they are slower. For example, a laminated bow could score 200fps at 9gpp (28" draw), but hornbow would score 200fps at 7gpp (28" draw). I would consider a hornbow more similar to a solid fiberglass bow than a laminated bow.

[@philozoraptor6808]

@@bambooarchery Thank you very much, that description of manchu bow seems very similiar to english longbow to me (they feel like nothing in the beginning then they ramp up, but they are very linear, dont know whether the manchu felt linear or stacky to you).

[@miguelveratraditionalarche9374]

Now I'm curious😊

[@JonWickkk-cn1iv]

Can you make a warbow version of this bow?

[@bambooarchery]

Unfortunately not at the moment. Material limitation and bowyer unwilling to spend the time to do it. If I manage to convince him at some point, then I would announce it. 🤣

[@JonWickkk-cn1iv]

@@bambooarchery I want it in pink if you do make a warbow version for giggles...Another note what is your opinion on flat vs slanted handles? That bow you are promoting has a flat handle where palm touches, but Ive seen many bows with slanted handles?

[@bambooarchery]

@@JonWickkk-cn1iv hahaha, there's indeed an option for pink blossom finishing on the bow. But poundage-wise, bowyer says that there's a lot of other considerations, which is not doable at the moment. For the handle shape, I actually thought about 3 possibilities that you could be referring to: 1) a straight handle as being straight on the belly side, and is near perfectly vertical when held upright. In my opinion, I would prefer this type because it facilitates doing a slight khatra. Hence I find this more comfortable with my style of shooting. 2) a straight handle like (1) but it is slightly angled/sloped/slanted when held upright. I prefer this more than (1), it still facilitates khatra well, and is more comfortable to the wrist. However the catch is, this angle is very slight, just 3-4° from vertical. Anything more would start interfering with the khatra and would be undesirable. 3) an inward curved handle such as on Ming Moon 4. I don't like such handle as I find it very awkward to hold. But Ming Moon 6/1/3 with "straighter" handles, I'm ok with those. However, there are customers who prefer this type.

[@JonWickkk-cn1iv]

@@bambooarchery You answered my question and then some. Love your passion. keep making videos! You have the potential to have way more subscribers but you need to be creative.

[@ArcheryGuy2]

When I say bow I say bow and when i say bow I say bow bow bow

[@sh11533]

How many pounds do you make?

[@bambooarchery]

20-45# 28" from belly. Production usually is within +/- 1#. But occasionally +/- 2#.

[@sh11533]

@@bambooarchery Oh that's so light

[@bambooarchery]

@@sh11533 hehe, we aren't going warbow poundage. 45# 28" -> 55# 31" is actually enough for most people.

[@sh11533]

Can I order higher pounds as a special order?

[@bambooarchery]

@@sh11533 unfortunately not at the moment. I had tried asking for 60-70# for a friend. But the materials and design we have now cannot support it.

[@JonWickkk-cn1iv]

Doesnt make sense to me a a shorter bow would be less stacky than the longer bow in your video.

[@bambooarchery]

@@JonWickkk-cn1iv yup but it's true. That's why I was disbelieved when I first draw it. I even had to plot the force draw curve to verify what I felt is real. Check my FB page for the force draw curve. It's similar in smoothness to AF Sicai 53" and Paragon Raider 52". The smoothness is immediately noticeable the first time you draw it. I have expectations based on past experience with other bows, so I wasn't expecting it. So when I draw such a short bow with expectations of stacking, I was totally surprised by how smooth it was. I literally said to myself, "wtf, for real, no way". Then I quickly took out the other short bows to compare. Watch my earlier Jotoman review, when I first got it.

[@JonWickkk-cn1iv]

@@bambooarchery For lets say you have two bows with the same length. One is D shaped and one the limbs flare out like a B shape like a korean bow. Which shape provides the smoother draw?

[@bambooarchery]

@@JonWickkk-cn1iv I would need to look at the details in every part of the limb, kasan, siyah, and even the nock. Depending on how each are tillered, result differs too. Based on description alone, I can't determine which would be smoother or otherwise. Some part may have something that increases the stacking, but another part relieves it, so their effect cancels out.

[@ronnienorth]

awesome

[@yusdirman]

kena racun

[@bambooarchery]

@@yusdirman 😂