The silent majority, with Julia Hartley-Brewer

Julia Hartley-Brewer, host of talkRADIO’s breakfast show, joins Brendan O’Neill to discuss the BLM cultural revolution and the war on free speech.
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[@markstephen1308]

I'd rather be black in the UK than white in South Africa.

[@zackpenhaligon9904]

I think at least 95 percent of the British population, Black and White, and everything in between, are treated fairly in the UK. I'm proud of our country's tolerance of others, we all should be. Yes, things can still be improved, as with everything, but we'll get there 😁🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

I'd rather be Japanese in Japan, or South Korean in South Korea!

[@aquilatempestate9527]

@@zackpenhaligon9904 Tolerance is what got us here.

[@rowdyyates4273]

Id be happy to be any colour and flying in a saucer craft with some nice friends around the universe living of free energy enjoing gods great creation!!!!

[@johnstroud3448]

I've personally witnessed the treatment of a native American, a "Blackfoot Chief" being used as we've seen a bear on "T.V" being tortured, making it perform, heart wrenching to say the least, but that is America, not Britain.

[@itsokrocklee8252]

If I'm racist for judging someone by character rather than skin tone... I'm one proud racist

[@svetik1587]

well said!

[@ben31uk]

Defund the B B C Cancel your London elite license Defund the bias for good

[@SOLaharl]

If the silent majority remains silent, then it will lose. It's not enough to say "we are the majority" if nobody does anything and let society crumble.

[@ScragNath]

The 1930's Minority Nazi party is proof of that.

[@demonshelby1311]

7% I believe ?

[@jameswhiteley6843]

@@ScragNath the Nazis rose because of the communists.

[@ScragNath]

@@jameswhiteley6843 Does that cancel my point that it was the minority that rode roughshod over the majority?

[@TheDell3100]

If we (the majority) do not speak out we will lose the ability to do so

[@Kramp001]

Unfortunately Julia's well off-target - Western civilization is under serious attack and no amount of "but we're so tolerant" is going to help us

[@BillSikes.]

@David Hargreaves She's not a fraud, she's genuine

[@barrychuckle5565]

She's absolutely brilliant.

[@DrJams]

Agreed. I'm 16 minutes in and Julia is still going on with the "but we're so tolerant" talk. These BLM protesters don't care. They want special treatment.

[@lolcat5303]

Agreed, she's on the completely wrong tack on this front.

[@barrychuckle5565]

She's very level headed and up to speed with these issues. All you disagreeing with her are obviously not.

[@jameswhiteley6843]

Whatever you do, do not buy into identity politics as people with strong identities try to destroy yours.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

Yes, this is a futile cry to try to lose whilst remaining deluded that's what is occurring & that with some Indentitarian Pride & Self Assertion Victory & Survival can be achieved.

[@Kramp001]

What happened to "united we stand, divided we fall" and "fight fire with fire"?

[@jameswhiteley6843]

@Actionbastard you're wrong. It has everything to do with race. Racial supremacy over whites.

[@saffarty390]

divide and conquer

[@MrGold-lo6vc]

When you mentioned slavery in Europe's colonial past, you didn't mention modern day slavery in Africa (and Asia), which should actually be a much more urgent problem for people that claim to care about black lives.

[@DieFlabbergast]

Not to mention slavery in Africa, both before and during Britain's involvement in the slave trade. The procurers and sellers of slaves are MORE culpable, if anything, than the middlemen who transported them to the ultimate buyers. Far more slave blood was spilt in Africa than after the slaves left that continent's shores. Perhaps black Americans should demand reparations from the governments of Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Ghana, etc.? I won't hold my breath.

[@anndoig2459]

Beauty fades - stupid is forever" - Judge Judy

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

She's no nonsense and wonderful.

[@barneyrubble8590]

Ann Doig I wish she was our prime minister 😁👍

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

@@barneyrubble8590 You deserve a new human-powered car for that.

[@zackpenhaligon9904]

I think in 2019, 16 people died in police custody in the UK. Most were drug overdoses, 3 of those 16 were black. Not the exact figures, but as close as. Either way, the UK is a pretty good country to live in. In fact, probably the best country in the world, bar maybe Aus and NZ. We should ALL be extremely proud of that. Much love from Cornwall 😎 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@johnanthony2871]

Well said.

[@ratusbagus]

But Zack. I thought Cornwall was independent!?

[@zackpenhaligon9904]

@@ratusbagus British and proud!

[@dawnduskwinter]

Merit not colour!!!!

[@jeremyboughtono2]

The Premiership players should be wearing that on their shirts.

[@stufrost4583]

Julia you mentioned the EDL in rascist terms but they had black and white members.

[@hittitecharioteer]

A decent and smart lady in every sense. Brings a sense of proportionality to all issues. The 'wokeists' are ignorant and their followers gullible.

[@clivelittle831]

J H-B is an absolute superstar, Brendan too.

[@demonshelby1311]

We need to send someone undercover into the Oxbridge unis when covid 19 is 'over'

[@MrGold-lo6vc]

Agent black face reporting for duty

[@marty51100]

Excellent idea... but I'm too old to do that.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

None of their views or prescriptions will prevent the minoritisation of Indigenous Britons from being made minorities in our own neighbourhoods, counties, regions, nations & country as a whole shortly after mid-century.

[@paulgledhill991]

Brendan please join tom and ella again they seem to be going woke

[@antonrudenham3259]

The silent majority are currently the brooding minority soon to be the fulminating minority and then angry then active then violent. This current state of affairs smacks of being some vast social experiment designed to find the exact point at which the normally stoic and pragmatic silent majority actually 'flip'. The last time we were agitated to this extent was probably about July/August 1940 as Hitlers hordes gathered to invade. Some have compared the 1990 poll tax riots to the current situation but it didn't even come close because that was again a very vocal minority that actually took direct action by rioting albeit with the consent of the silent majority. This time about we have an infinitesimally tiny minority actually endeavouring to change our country, our laws and our method of governance while simultaneously attempting to erase our glorious past to suit their deranged vision of some Marxist utopian future. During the poll tax riots we railed against a governmental policy when we realised our legitimate fears were not being heard, the ensuing violence was regrettable but it got the majority's point across, then we sat back and finished our dinners. Back in 1940 we rose up against the abhorrent idea of Germany invading these lands and imposing their foul socialist ideology upon us but the big difference between then and now was that the enemy was camped out on the continent in 1940 while today the enemy is already here. I am a tiny part of the currently brooding majority and believe me when I say nobody should actually want to discover our exact breaking point and that even includes us. We are a docile lot, almost sheep-like in our politics but history shows the terrible latent fury we all keep buried deep down within us, just like our Anglo-Saxon and Viking forebears we keep a sword hanging above our door so as not to be visible from outside. My message to those mentally ill communist organisations like BLM, antifa and extinction rebellion is 'don't try us', do not mistake our tolerance and forbearance for weakness, it is actually a strength developed over a thousand years by smashing those that were foolish enough to discover our breaking point.

[@afifahhamilton8843]

Julia, Julia, Julia - why did you suggest that the EDL want segregation? You have just done that surreptitious virtue signalling rubbish that you suggest others feebly do. Oh dear, oh dear.

[@jrws89]

What a brilliant and rational conversation with two great minds. We need way more of this across the board! I will be making a donation 👍

[@tomburroughes9834]

The key takeaway from this episode is never apologise for a statement you think is accurate. Apologies just add fuel to the madness and make it even worse.

[@oldschoolcockneylover8138]

Well what if you live in Illford London like I did, and find urself the only white person with an English name in the area and all the employers have Muslim names? works both ways.

[@chrisgadsby5700]

I lived there in 1960's and can see how the mix of shops has changed.

[@petergardner5002]

moved from Ilford in '68 we had 1 Asian in our year.

[@heavyj2134]

Moral clarity, clarity of ideas and thought. Wonderful stuff! Thank you Julia and Brendan.

[@trevorcarpenter6678]

I'm a lefty and agree with almost everything Julia says, no wonder I feel that the world has left me

[@markmachale1169]

An hour of common sense, i’m absolutely staggered it hasn’t been taken down.

[@JamesRWhite-wb6iq]

"The past wasn't a nice place" - neither is the present in most parts of the world, including Africa, the Middle East and most of the Far East except for Japan! Lots to do for the woke of the World!

[@ben31uk]

Great guest

[@TheSto400]

Thanks for this, both of you are doing very important work.

[@BrianCantybollox]

Julia for PM!!!!!!

[@svetik1587]

Brilliant interview, thank you very much!!

[@christopherwalker2710]

I love this woman she speaks from the heart well done Julia, give it to them as it is 🙏🙏🙏

[@georgetteplume2488]

Wonderful show. Great insights.

[@MrVigorbrasil]

Julia Hartley-Brewer -- thank you for sharing your intelligence !

[@bigjoeangel]

Well said Julia. Common sense, decency, honesty and courage is what's needed.

[@firstnationbrit6365]

What evidence do you have of systemic racism. Precisely none. Stick to specifics please. Do not play into their hands.

[@TessaTickle]

@57:00 "the Tories have to start standing up for what they believe in.". But that's *precisely* the problem. The Tories don't believe in anything. The left wing radicals at least have faith in their religion.

[@unblessedcoffee1457]

They didn't ban that fawlty towers episode because of the germans or the nazis, its due to the scenes with the black doctor in the same episode.

[@louisedadge4056]

Well done and keep up the great work.

[@lesprice4227]

The A Team Julia and Brendan a show that is not afraid to say it how it is... BRILLIANT!

[@garypowell1540]

The Silenced Majority.

[@howardjdownes]

Arguing about intrapersonal identities is a means of mass distraction from the singlemost important identity foisted upon us at birth and regardless of merit, stays with one until death: namely 'Class'. As an 11 plus scholarship student at the Royal Grammar School (founded 1469) where the majority were fee-paying boarders. Despite being as equally - if not more - academically bright and successful as those peers who fell into the above category, the all-pervading issues surrounding 'Class' became notably evident during the 3 year Sixth Form, where I was not encouraged to apply to Oxbridge, be appointed 'prefect' nor any other distinction which was offered to peers, frequently with pre-existent familial and historical ties to said institutions. Class remains overridingly the most important and divisive issue in the UK which is the common denominator for all regardless of ethnicity or so-called 'race'. I believe there's institutional classism, that class remains the greatest barrier to personal success in whatever field, and is far more important than ethnicity or race, and I say this as someone who has witnessed and experienced this first-hand for more than half a century.

[@alisonlevinson2638]

Spot on Julia. You do represent the vast majority of reasonable people so please keep going. I am also stroppy and stand up for my views and get a lot of abuse but I can take it but not everyone can. We need you with your platform to keep speaking the truth. Thanks!

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

Excellent video. JH-B is the best woman on political radio.

[@TessaTickle]

@12:59 "black people are seen as still feeling the wounds of history, which strikes me as a deeply patronising view of black ppl who i think have equal agency as anyone else and can decide for themselves how they feel about history" ... Brendan, you'll be sad to hear that a *lot* of black people are feeling strongly attracted to the siren song of BLM and do feel eternally wronged by history.

[@Raynes79]

An excellent show. Thank you.

[@peterfaulder8583]

Brilliant discussion, thank you Julia and Brendan

[@davidyoung2183]

Really enjoy listening to Julia - true sanity in a sea of nonsense.

[@rudolphrigger599]

Just over twenty years ago I was sat on a beach watching the sun rise on a new millennium. How I wish we could just do a system reboot to world 2000. Back then everyone knew what a woman was. Back then, everyone thought that Martin Luther King might have uttered some of the most truthful and powerful words ever committed to speech. Inspired by him, we all shared his dream. Today that dream is in tatters. Myriad systems of crushing, invisible, oppression are said to exist that either elevate us if we're 'privileged', or keep us in chains if not. It's as if we're caught in a web of invisible, almost mystical, forces from which the only escape is to tear the whole system down and start again. There are dog whistles everywhere that only the woke cognoscenti can truly interpret correctly. We no longer even know what some words mean. If you 'identify' as a woman - all well and good. Now tell me *precisely* what it IS that you claim to be. There's 'systemic' racism? OK, I'm listening. Now tell me *precisely* where in these 'systems' the racism resides. In the procedures, the policies, the people - or has it just permeated everywhere by some magical osmosis? I'm so sick of this constant focus on the things that divide us. Let's go back to trying to focus on the things that bring us together as human beings trying to make our way in an often difficult and unfair world. Let's get rid of this parasitic 'woke' ideology that has corrupted and poisoned everything it touches. Extending the hand of compassion, empathy and tolerance to those we love and support is not a virtue; it's a good but easy thing to do. Extending those things to people we despise; that's the mark of true compassion, empathy, and tolerance.

[@rudolphrigger599]

@@stommx Yes, it does seem like we've taken quite a few steps backwards in how we treat one another in some regards. The intolerance and hatred to those who express an alternative opinion is something that deeply concerns me. It's like a mini-Maoist cultural revolution unfolding. Of course I did the 'dad' thing with my own daughters and laid down the law at times - but they always had the right of appeal. If they could argue their case logically and coherently and win (and I did let them win perhaps too often) then they could get my often arbitrary 'dad' law repealed. This taught them a couple of things. It taught them how to argue their case properly for one thing. But I think it also taught them that it was OK to have a different opinion and it was OK to express it and that we'd still be friends whatever the outcome. It also taught them that we had to listen to one another, that they had a voice too, and that I would listen to it and respect it even if I didn't agree with it. My kids still think I'm an old fogey even though they're grown up now - but we continue to have some brilliant conversations :-)

[@brianwhitehouse2629]

United we stand .Divided we fall

[@rifdhin]

She is indeed one of the best out of a very small handful of honest people in the public domain.

[@amyjohnston6623]

Could listen to you 2 all day. People that speak sense

[@TheOverlordOfProcrastination]

Thank god for people like you, standing up in public to these cultural Nazis. Brave and admirable.

[@garydansie6625]

I think it's time we become noisy?

[@KCalamity24]

Everytime people try they are labelled far right Julia is guilty of this herself.

[@KCalamity24]

Anyone who speaks out or marches will be labelled far right the two above are guilty of labelling people this as well.

[@garydansie6625]

@@KCalamity24 I don't really care! I've been labelled as many things I'm not! And if we are the majority then the majority is far right!

[@KCalamity24]

@@garydansie6625 know how you feel it's now farcical the tolerance people are being expected to show to an insane group of Marxist students and their teachers.

[@jezt42]

Brilliant. The money shot is at 29:27. 👍

[@simonking2869]

JHB & BON! My podcast heaven! Thanks!

[@crulove]

To be fair Harry Enfield refused to apologise the the Woke Gestapo.

[@barrychuckle5565]

Good stuff thanks

[@maryhudson4280]

When I was teaching virtually only black teenagers in the NYC public school system, I realised that some of my students, unlike myself, had slave-owning ancestors back 150 years ago. Even a passing knowledge of American history shows that. Frederick Douglass was more the rule than the exception in being fathered by his owner.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

Freed Blacks also went on to own slaves at a far higher rate than the general White population.

[@truthcrackers]

The reason people pick over the past is to avoid having to do anything today and bask in the moral glory of bossing everyone else around.....

[@victorsilvester78]

Wonderful Julia.

[@shelleylyme6402]

Perhaps Brendan O'Neill could have pointed out to his cosy metropolitan chum Julia Hartley-Brewer that there is no essential difference between mob rule on the streets and the recent online lynch mob against Dominic Cummings in which she was an enthusiastic participant. Cummings is a man with a young family. Does Julia Hartley-Brewer still believe that he should have been unceremoniously sacked and deprived of his principal livelihood for what the police would later identify as only a possible (quote) "minor breach" of government lockdown rules?? Secondly - if Julia Hartley-Brewer becomes aware retrospectively that there is a possibility that one of her work colleagues at TalkRadio may have fallen below her own high standards sometime over the lockdown period and committed a "minor breach" of the government rules in the course of seeking to secure the welfare of their four year old child, will she be reporting the matter to senior management with the insistence that this work colleague should be sacked forthwith?? Perhaps Julia Hartley-Brewer could have been challenged by Spiked on her self-righteous hypocrisy rather than just flabbily indulged.

[@bryantomlinson9258]

I agree. Julia Heartless-Uber is all fur coat and no knickers. Like too many wealthy middle class talking heads, she sees the people that suffer most from multiculturalism as far-right and loves equality so much she pimps for Uber's slave wage tax evading business model.

[@normansmithers7631]

i don't like the murdering bunch they call the tory government, but i don't think there is a coronavirus; nor do i like the racist bunch they call 'black lives matter'. george floyd's death was not 'horrific or brutal'; stop being woke, brendan & julia! anyone who didn't vote for corbyn in the election, in essence are responsible for the 50,000 + deaths in britain.

[@smiley055]

@@normansmithers7631 Rubbish if Labour was in December they still blame the Tories for not putting enough money in the NHS.So its seesaw politics for years and years.People will still have died,especially the elderly and the poor health.

[@TheFatController.]

Until we accept that racial groups have different abilities, we will never see peace.

[@vordman]

Nature designed us to live with our own. People are tribal. Always have been always will be. It doesn't matter what concessions you make or how you tweak the law, multi-racial societies will never work. You can't wipe out a million years of genetic programming with legislation, and anyone who thinks you can is deluded.

[@EleMentalJesus]

I seriously cannot make distinctions in functionality between the 'Woke Left' and entities ;like the 'Westboro Baptist Church' and 'Scientology'

[@maulwurfchenfischerartists]

Two of the most invigorating voices cutting through today's insanity. Loving it 🥰

[@chrisgrahma5064]

Well done Julia for representing the silent majority. Spot on. Was reminded of your interview of Owen Jones in which he misbehaved like a spoilt adolescent.

[@chrisgreen1139]

I think every right minded parent should go to their child's school and find out IN DETAIL what is being peddled to our youngsters. And complain if what they find is "woke" rubbish. That would be a start.

[@techtipsuk]

Agree with every word. Brilliant interview

[@kalanos4660]

What we have here is a conversation between two civic nationalists who haven't yet accepted the reality resulting from the inevitable conflict of divergent group interests.

[@sharidivinity2500]

My employer has put in Diversity Quotas. I am so disgusted.

[@paulukjames7799]

Today is a much better place, living with Billions of borrowed money. Govt, Corporations, firms, and personal debt ,Woke graduates, countryside dwindling, congested roads, overcrowded trains, ugly buildings, endless graffiti, rubbish everywhere a single wage earner could afford to buy a house now a couple of wage earners struggle and now is much better is it really than the 1970/80s . However the 1920s and 30s was really hard some people starved and lived on pittance must be white privilege, you are both on point with everything else. Some people have been brain washed and and stupid group think prevails unchallenged, free speech is disappearing fast we certainly have no real democracy who ever we vote for.

[@heavymetalhq6908]

Julia Hartley Brewer = lit as always🔥

[@delft72]

Refreshing to hear these view points.

[@tonya3144]

This was a very, very good podcast.

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

The greatest problem with The Silent Majority is given away in the name.

[@Cumbriahandyman]

To put this in perspective: The UK parliament have never held a minute’s silence for any UK service personnel killed in action. They have never held a minute’s silence for a British serving soldier butchered on the streets of Woolwich. They have never held a minute’s silence for any UK Police Officer murdered on duty. They have never held a minute’s silence for the death of one of our Covid-19 heroes. There have never held a minute’s silence for the hundreds of white and black kids knifed to death on the streets of London. They never held a minute’s silence for three people murdered by a BLM/Terrorist in a Reading park. They never held a minute’s silence for the 22 children murdered at a Manchester concert.

[@mattmobily1975]

It'd be nice to have a rally for political sanity so we can see that we are not alone.

[@NonLocalYokel]

We need to develop a solid way to undermine Critical 'Theory'. I put theory in air quotes because it's not a theory in the true sense. It's a form of words carefully crafted to confound logic and reason.

[@mazzymae1009]

We don't actually have a big problem with police brutality in America. We have a criminality and lack of personal accountability problem in America. And it's embarrassing to hear ppl try to twist it into a police problem.

[@perpetualmotion5993]

What will it be that they will want to tear down or erase? When in three hundred years from now the people look back at the history of our times.

[@Cumbriahandyman]

If you need laws to say you are equal, you are not. We should have used education not legislation.

[@anneavenell3691]

We appear to be going back to the days of segregation. There are already spaces at some US universities that are mainly for black students only. They haven't yet proclaimed them as black only spaces but there are clips circulating of white students bring told to leave those spaces as there are too many of them there and the space is more for black students. How is this not classed as racist? If it was the other way around there would be a huge outcry. I never thought I'd see the day when black people were segregating themselves.

[@bryantomlinson9258]

@Scooby McDooby if black people have been segregating themselves how is there so many mixed race relationships ?

[@mitchymail]

So how do I refer to a female who has passed menopause?

[@petergardner5002]

Sane

[@Cumbriahandyman]

We have a conservative government with a PM who appears to be *scared* to be conservative.

[@charliemilroy6497]

We should stop using the wheel because racism was systematic when it was invented

[@gerardosullivan4811]

'Truth does not do as much good in the world as the semblance of truth does evil' La Rochefoucauld

[@markhutton6055]

"Anti-Racist" is a movement in the US, a high jacking of the language a la BLM. It is anti, not as in against, bit anti as in anti-matter.

[@Lewisevans1618]

Goodbuy BBC and Sky news. Here is SENSE.

[@dawnduskwinter]

The Dutch love fawelty towers and are shocked.....with the ban......

[@fionagregory8078]

why should I pay? Give over.

[@translunar1]

The past was not a very nice place and it does not take a brilliant, knowledgeable historian to learn this. Unfortunately the woke youth, never learn real history, only the selective rubbish taught to them by the marxist schooling system in the UK. This needs to stop now and things may improve, but if not the future does not look good for normal people and in my experience people do not like to be told how to live their lives in this country! But excellent discussion and thank you both!

[@squidlord6123]

As soon as you get red pilled I will donate.

[@alanpearson7554]

I enjoy JHB being interviewed and giving her opinion much more than I enjoy her morning radio show

[@mascarasnake67]

I suspect that Connie Booth and John Cleese sweated over every word if not syllable (not Sybil) of Fawlty Towers, every word was there for a reason be it for comedic value, exposition or social commentry. When the Major said that thing about the West Indies Cricket team, it came out of the blue, it didn't need to be there, it wasn't particularly funny and you can hear the audience hesitate to laugh, they're weren't entirely comfortable with it even back in the 70's. The veiled look of contempt Basil shoots him seems to me like John and Connie deliberately wanted to confront us, the nation, with the fact that that was unacceptable behaviour. "Just not cricket, old boy" as the Major would have said if he wasn't a product of his time.

[@jeda35]

Julia nails it starting at 57:02. A strong, concise 50-second call to adults: Stop aplogizing!

[@Johnconno]

Welcome to Julia's garden, where it's always Summer.

[@CharlesCollins]

Enjoyed listening. Here is something, Why hasn't the statue of Charles Darwin been torn down? Why hasn't his book, Origin of Species, been removed from bookshelves etc? Racist to the hilt and I would suggest the reason for what we are seeing today.

[@chrisbrausch7369]

The Benny Hill thing is the perfect example. My Parents, my uncle AND Aunty, so many of that generation loved it. The mores of the time were different and, in so many ways, more honest about human psyche than what followed. It shouldn't be judged, just understood

[@neonatalpenguin]

Not only do I worry about the woke revolution, but (as Konstantin Kisin alluded to recently) I also worry about a potentially sinister counter-movement. If you decide to spend a period of public mourning toppling statues and memory-holing beloved bits of culture, lots of people will see that as an attack on their way of life. If your response to racism is less “let’s all get together and find a solution to this problem” and more “get down on your knees and acknowledge your privilege”, you’re going to make enemies. In next March, there’ll be another census, which will show that demographics are changing fast (an estimated 36% of school children are now not white British). I worry that these two incidents will be a big recruitment drive for the far-right.

[@pennyshaw2422]

Netflix should have said "Frankly my dear I couldn't give a damb". The past helps us determin the future, how would we ever move on, if we don't know where we came from, we learn from the past to shape the future, we need to see where we've come from so we don't make the asme mistakes again

[@MB-st7be]

I discovered JHB about 5 years ago and was thrilled. But 5 years on she's saying exactly the same things about exactly the same topics, word for word, she's become a broken record.

[@user-gk1nt6sm2z]

Slaves have been part of humanity for thousands of years. England was the first abolish it. This was brought about by biblical values.