Why borders matter, with Frank Furedi

Sociologist and spiked contributor Frank Furedi joins Brendan O’Neill to discuss his latest book, Why Borders Matter.
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[@gerardburke2517]

Great video as always by Brendan and the Spiked Online team - keep up the good work guys! I highly recommend listening this interview.

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

Frank talks a lot of good sense. Artiiculate defender of freedom who rips to shreds the fallacies of the woke crowd and blows the lid on their sanctimonious posturing.and hypocritical double standards. Great interview.

[@kdanielh26]

Open borders is madness.

[@kimwiser445]

We don’t get the best people running for office because of the attack on their personal lives.

[@DieterHambloch]

Loved Frank's comment on cultural appropriation..." Policing the distinctions between people". Great illustration of one of the many hypocrisy's of this modern day authoratarainism

[@stevehall9333]

I'm about half an hour in and at no point has anybody pointed out that a lack of borders/mass immigration is a specifically anti white idea, thought up by people who want an end to white people. Do you honestly think that the EU protects itself against 'problematic' African immigration? Extraordinary. Having a generous, as you put it, immigration system will eventually lead to incredibly violent overcrowding, all over white countries. Add to that the intensifying anti white rhetoric and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out our dystopian future. Poor podcast.

[@chrisruss9861]

Excellent speaker.

[@janmalaszek1459]

Simply brilliant!

[@ManInTheBigHat]

42:20 He left out the next step which is when everyone is forced to refer to the trans person by their chosen gender, by law!

[@Telcontar1962]

The number of MP's who can speak about "why borders matter" after 70 years of imposing immigration and 50 years of foreign rule all without one single vote to provide consent from the only people with the authority to decide, are rarer than unicorns.

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

It's bizarre how the Trotskyite movement produced so many interesting thinkers - Orwell, Furedi, Christopher Hitchens, Peter Hitchens, Spiked, and the NeoCons. Interesting of course isn't the same as 'right', but I still rather here from a Trot I disagree with than one of the woke zombies who infest the media and don't have anything original to say.

[@sephus99]

You might find this talk interesting. Part of it is about ex-leftists, not so much in, as taking over the right. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGTOlIWlqcmZqrc

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

Spiked are in the anti-Stalinist left tradition sceptical of statist intrusion in social affairs. These sort of Trotskyists who easily become former Trotskyists are more prone to free thinking, challenging censoriousness and cultivating new ideas. In many ways, find common ground with right libertarians, are a welcome breath of fresh air and stand out in stark contrast to the regressive woke left crowd. Left-right distinctions have little relevance or resonance these days and the battle lines of authoritarianism v libertarianism, elitism v populism, centralism v decentralism, identitarianism v integrationism and globalism v national self-determinism carry much more weight.

[@prettyhowtownprufrock3421]

Another way to be Open is Open-Source, as in Software or resources. Are private corporations keen to be open with their intellectual property? The openness seems to apply to working people, but not so much to the elites themselves.

[@marionreynolds7080]

Great discussion frank and Brendon - what are these ‘globalised’ people going to do when they’re old having removed themselves from any meaningful community. They’re going to experience an excruciatingly lonely old age. It seems to me they haven’t considered this.

[@thomassimmons1950]

I'm reminded of the end of BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER QWAI, When Alec Guinness collapses on the detonator and blows his bridge. The British officer on the hill, looks down in horror at the absurdity of the situation and says: "MADNESS...MADNESS!

[@funchalflash6994]

The irony of it all obviously is Gentlemans a foreign guy and he’s telling us that we need borders and he’s absolutely right borders and boundaries are very important in every day life and it’s a very select few of the media will eat and very rich top and middle

[@telemarq7481]

A people should fight for the laws of the city as they would it's walls.....Heraclitus of Ephesus

[@sephus99]

What is Frank's accent? I always think he sounds Caribbean but when he mentions his background that makes no sense at all.

[@plekkchand]

Very good, and straight out of Derrida's "interrogation" of differance 50 years ago. Rene Girard has made the same point, with greater insight than Derrida, about the apparently unmotivated loss of all distinctions in the breakdown of a culture.

[@seanmoran6510]

If there’s a hell I hope Derrida is roasting in it ! Alongside Rousseau and Robespierre

[@finnkrogstad2541]

Borders only matter in collectivist societies. They allow us to specify who we are taking from and giving too. If we aren't taking from each other and bossing each other around, then it doesn't really matter which side of the line we are on, and thus who isn't robbing us or bossing us around. Thank you Spiked for pointing out the importance of collectivism.

[@phampshire6864]

The Communists have taken control of corporate big business, the Tories always follow the money, cultural issues mean nothing to them.

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

There's a marriage going on between Cultural Marxism (not the old style class war kind), institutions of the state, big money finance and multinational corporations. We will be seeing more of this in public-private partnerships. Cultural Marxism does not threaten the wealth and power of fat cat capital. Fat cat capital just embraces their latest hobby horses and the shape of the New World Order with China as the blueprint pilot state.

[@suepem]

I was amazed at the Socialist Worker guy shouting no borders with his table decorated with the Palestinian flag. Go and ask the Palestinians about borders mate.

[@IzabelParis]

Suzie M 👏👏👏

[@rumco]

Has Furedi never heard of anarchism? Whether collectivist or individualist or whatnot. It's like he's oblivious to it.

[@fartsaresacred]

Nice podcast except for the 400 ads over the top greediness

[@dannffc]

My Advice. Move to Slovakia, Hungary, Czech Republic or Poland. I live in Bratislava. These guys know what Communism (western Labour, or now also Conservatives) was - and can be again. Best thing I did was leave the UK to live here with my young family. Central Europe at least gives a shit about it's citizens and culture.

[@dnstone1127]

but if too many go there it will destroy what they have.

[@Jubanen12]

Its strange now that I think about it, that some people whine about this "cultural appropriation" thing yet they think there shouldn't be any borders, a thing that inevitably would lead to all cultures meshing together etc... ie. in the in their perfect utopia everyone would be happily culturally appropriating away without care, right?.. I dunno. I mean, Its not like they really care about cultural appropriation, they just cant help themself and must whine about everything.

[@Slarti]

Brendan, you need to sort out your mic and audio. There's way too much voice popping, have a glass of water before the intro. The popping is really annoying and difficult to listen to.

[@disappointedenglishman98]

Undoubtedly a good podcast, but funny to hear how tortured you are that favouring borders could put you on the Right! You want nationhood but not nationalism? That concept cannot fly because a nation cannot subsist in a multicultural population. It is those who want to stop immigration, and encourage those already here to go back who are defending the nation. It's like this: if 10 Somalis lived in London they would be under great pressure to confirm. If 100,000 lived in London, they already form a separate society and cannot integrate even should they wish to do so. The identitarianism on the left is caused by the fact that the numbers have now exceeded any possibility of integration. They naturally push to take over the whole of society, feeling the demographic wind behind them. The only answer is white identity in response.

[@jethrobodine9155]

I'm an American libertarian and solidly for open borders. It's a matter of principle. Freedom of association, trade and property rights. Neither the State, nor its people, own my home or my business, and so neither have the right to deny me whom I invite to them, as guests, customers or employees. It has nothing to do with the vagaries of far-left social or political ideology. Open national borders does not eliminate private borders----to homes, to churches, to clubs, to stores......There may still be gated communities, even private towns, which the owners would have the right to regulate as they wish. I would keep mine open and welcoming, to all peaceful people of good will. Jacob Hornberger, the candidate for President for the Libertarian Party, is solidly for open borders. He's a very principled libertarian. He's also a Catholic. Many libertarians for open borders are Christians, some very traditional. (I'm more or less agnostic myself.) Open borders don't necessarily mean a ban on collective self-definition and membership regulation, despite how the far left interprets the principle. Also, I'm an individualist, an Existentialist and a Socratic. I will not be bound by my birth culture. Let those who choose to be do so. More power to them. But if they try to wall ME in, there's going to be some noise.

[@colliehouse3133]

Fool.

[@is9iok1b5nqdijt8mscv9nobfrtiup]

What are you saying here? You're for open borders under the condition of no / minarchist government? Or you want open borders, regardless.

[@plusgoodproductions1550]

I don't know why anyone takes Furedi seriously. Infinite edgelordism leads to gibberish

[@kbeetles]

Plusgood Productions - how interesting! You could be in small minority with your judgment..... but I know, we are all sheep and dumb and unsophisticated!