The Silivas Club (Updated)

[@аня-ц5х3м]

love how Jade twists fast so she has much time for the landing

[@1itslaurahere1]

It’s so fast it looks like a full in lol

[@andywillard8336]

Zsofia Kovacs is Hungarian - I had no idea she had attempted the Silivas! This is great!

[@bertilplatte7208]

Jessica Gadirova's looks like a full layout into full tucked

[@kadymaude7097]

Yeah I’ve beeb noticing that, maybe she’s gonna try upgrade to a moors at some point?

[@XxjceeT6xX]

The height she gets is insane

[@lesevogelthyria]

It seems that it became quite a standard skill in the US but is still rare in other countries. Interesting!

[@leykimayri]

Or that there is more coverage and internet uploading of american national championships than from other countries

[@gaodrob7938]

Update : Margarita Slepchenko did the Silivas in 2005, Vera Van Pol in 2008 and got injured, Natsumi Sasada in 2009, Tyesha Mattis in 2014, Léanne Bourgeois in 2016, Frida Esparza in 2018 , Ana Perez in 2019, Viktoria Listunova in 2021, Miyata Shoko did in 2021 and at least 2 other Japanese girls did in the past.

[@chewiegym2765]

The fact that the majority of these gymnasts couldn't land the skill with good landing positions highlights why it's such a difficult skill! Also, isn't Kovacs Hungarian?

[@prcelani]

I wish we could go back in time when a salivas was a wow and such an amazing and rare skill being done, like round 2000-2012 , now everyone has it

[@аня-ц5х3м]

and sofia kovacz is from hungary

[@Jajadore]

Did Groshkova perform a Silivas? She did actually 2 twists in the first salto and non in the second....

[@nicolewilton1462]

They’re the same thing in the code. Both are considered double doubles, regardless of the twist timing.

[@Jajadore]

@@nicolewilton1462 Oh thanks! I never knew.

[@mmoran3]

She did a double twist in and back out. Its the same skill in the c.o.p

[@joetam1461]

Groshkova actually performed an unnamed skill (at the time also in MAG), her compatriot Kolyvanov named it It’s F rated in MAG

[@TraceFaceTV]

I miss Jia Fangfang

[@Ryan.harvey123]

Next time you update it add Lucy Stanhope from the master massila and Sabrina vioena from wel any completion

[@prcelani]

My favourite is Anastasia Grishina, she's a queen!! amazing

[@gymworld8609]

Giulia's is so satisfying

[@ge8409]

Natsumi Sasada (kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHuog4mhqtWEj7M) and Margarita Slepchenko (kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWWqaoKpgq6Mrc0) also did it!

[@ge8409]

Also Myata Shoko in 2021 did

[@gaodrob7938]

@@ge8409 Vera Van Pol did in 2008 and got injured, Léanne Bourgeois did in 2016, Viktoria Listunova in 2021, at least 2 other Japanese girls did in the past and I'm sure he missed more gymnasts ^^

[@anikokoren3417]

Her name is spelled Zsófia Kovács and she is from Hungary, not Ukraine

[@ilaria.acquaroli]

Arianna belardelli is incredible

[@pablooliveria7870]

You forgot Ana Perez from Spain

[@donaldholderdoc2910]

Almost a crime that the whole "club" is named for Daniella Silivas then you go and show a clip out of hundreds she's done gorgeously and chose this one, and it had to be a fail??? There has to be a clip somewhere in the millions of videos out there on the internet of her doing it perfectly. Probably more perfect ones than fails. And this is the one you chose for your otherwise great video??? Just saying. 😀

[@josephqualtier961]

She actually hasn’t done it very many times I think that might’ve been the only time

[@donaldholderdoc2910]

@@josephqualtier961 I'll have to research but I'm sure ive seen her do it better many times. Especially when she did it successfully in competition to get the move named after her.

[@Plaspos]

@@donaldholderdoc2910 pretty sure the one in the video was the time she did it to get it named

[@starjp8429]

This should be G...

[@bjr445]

I think you forgot Alexis Zion

[@BaraXXXanova666]

I guess you mean Alexis Brion, who did it in piked so that’s why she’s not included

[@lovepop4336]

Sofia Kovacs es Húngara no Ucraniana

[@itchanj]

tatiana groshkova's was not a silivas

[@lenr112]

Groshkova did a double full in back out . Not a Silivas . Also missed Tyesha Mattis UK.

[@nicolewilton1462]

The Code of Points doesn’t differentiate between a double in back out, full in full out, and a double twisting double tuck. They’re all Silivas. Mixed shaped double saltos don’t exist in the code anymore. Groshkova would likely get hit with form deductions since only the second salto is fully tucked.

[@lenr112]

@@nicolewilton1462 Yet we have the Biles and the Dos Santos 2 . Regardless of what the code says they are completely different skills.

[@ge8409]

@@lenr112 because Biles and DS2 are actually different skills lol, Biles is DLO 1/2 and DS2 is jump half to double front layout (arabian DLO). You can do a DLO 1/2 in (like Trinity Thomas) and it will be the same as Biles and not as DS2. I agree that Groshkova's double full-in is harder and deserves a higher rating but your comparison is inappropriate

[@lenr112]

@@ge8409 That makes no sense that a Silivas which is a full in full out and a Groshkova which is a double full in back out are seen as the same skill when a Biles which is double layout with 1/2 turn is given credit for being different to a Dos Santos simply because the 1/2 turn is in a different place . What I'm saying is if it applies to one skill then it should apply to the other . I could almost buy the argument if we saw equal numbers of Groshkova's to Silivas's but we don't.

[@ge8409]

​@@lenr112 I'm not even arguing with the fact that Groshkova's skill should be differentiated and rewarded. But the difference between DLO 1/2 and arabian DLO is more than just the timing of the 1/2 turn. I mean, it is, but it changes the whole direction of the skill, since the rotation is forward and not backwards as in Biles I. That's why it is more difficult and rarely performed

[@Marketoromagnolo]

it's stupid it's still H, it' should be G , if not F, for men is't E and ful in is D

[@josephqualtier961]

Well the men have a different code because traditionally for the women a double back was insane and was given a D and that won’t change. So they scale it appropriately. A double double should absolutely be three letters above a full in.

[@Marketoromagnolo]

@@josephqualtier961 no agree for men is c- d - e... so fo wonen should be d- e - f

[@Plaspos]

@@josephqualtier961 nah two letters is good, double double is just not as hard as the Chuso. We see a lot of gymnasts from all over having a Chuso at some point but later replacing it with a Silivas. Mai murakami, Kayla DiCello, MDJDS, Denisa Golgota, even Simone (had Silivas only, then Chuso and Silivas, then dropped the Chuso). The only two I can think of who dropped the Silivas in favor of the Chuso were Giulia Steingruber and Jennifer Gadirova. I think honestly double double and 3.5 twist should both be G, and the biles I should be an H, it’s clearly harder than the double double. The moors should also be an I because I do agree adding the second twist is harder than the 1st twist.

[@brunopivatto5498]

i love the silivas. but this video shows why it should be downgraded! immediately haha

[@josephqualtier961]

But it’s very difficult and I don’t think it’s fair to tbh. It should be downgraded one letter MAX but I think it’s a lot harder than a double lay so🥴