The Silver Goal Rule: UEFA's Forgotten Experiment

[@kidcharlemagne3044]

Whenever the issues of extra-time and penalties come up in conversation, I find it important to remind ourselves just how much better they are than all the alternatives.

[@Gio10Per]

"Previous" alternatives* It's actually real simple to work out a better rule than penalties. It's just not in the plans of mafia organisations who are running football at the minute. But their time is running out...

[@metro3313]

​@@Gio10Per Then name a better alternative

[@Gio10Per]

@metro3313 I'm definitely not going to share such information on a random comment section online. Original ideas are extremely valuable. I'll name it, at the right time... it's all in the plan.

[@SneakyDino7]

​​@@Gio10Perkinda sounds like you don't have a clue what you're talking about mate

[@noggin6870]

​@@metro3313lmao, imagine being so delusional that you actually think your ideas for football extra time have any actual value whatsoever

[@oweyy_]

love the quality mate, nice FM part too

[@RouteNone]

Cheers! They're a complete pain to make, but glad people enjoy them

[@cd.knuckles]

i was there in the Greece v Czech Rep match in 2004, silver goal legit got the crowd confused

[@hiranom20]

😂😂

[@Ixa1710]

The transition at 3:44 from a scale to the midfield of the pitch was so well thought of, props to the animator.

[@RouteNone]

Cheers! Glad little moments like that are appreciated

[@duc8250]

I feel like the silver goal could have benefited from better wording. Instead of trying to express it in the same way as the golden goal, just say that it splits extra time into two separate parts, and whoever leads at the end of one wins the match

[@thesuomi8550]

Yeah it's really just two extra times instead of one

[@SwanRonsonDonnyJepp]

They did......Hence Silver goal 😂

[@denizakogul]

Basketball extra time

[@AH-be6bu]

Not to mention that silver goal makes it sound like a worse version of the golden goal. Almost like they didn't really try to market it properly.

[@richjhart]

​@@SwanRonsonDonnyJepp but calling it silver goal focuses on the goal, not the extra time. What would it be called if a team won 2-0 in the first 15 minutes of extra time... Two Silver goals? It should just be that they won 2-0 after 1 period of extra time.

[@ryansmith1044]

The failure of Golden Goal and Silver Goal proved that footballers and coaches are more afraid of losing than they are motivated to win. It's why they had to make wins worth 3 points.

[@Somerandomblokefromreading]

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[@RouteNone]

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[@laletraf5568]

I always thought of the silver goal in the same way I think of Overtime in basketball. If the first Overtime ends in a draw(in this case the first 15 minutes of extra time), you go to double Overtime(the second half of extra time), but if you win in the first Overtime it's over.

[@trwijbenga]

That makes sense

[@mahiru20ten]

And NFL's overtime is like a hybrid of it. First team to score a touchdown in overtime wins the game.

[@BaldandBeefy]

​@@mahiru20ten that's just golden goal

[@mahiru20ten]

@BaldandBeefy Not exactly - the game can only end in a touchdown. If one side gets the point in other ways like a field goal, the game will still continue until either other side scores a touchdown or the 15 minute period ends.

[@Zergul_Zai]

​@@mahiru20tenwho even plays it

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[@BoringExtrovert]

One quirk of the silver goal is exactly what happened in that Greece goal. Had Greece scored their goal only a few minutes later, Czechia would still have the chance to equalize.

[@mohemida]

Really appreciate the way of presentation especially with the little easter eggs

[@RouteNone]

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[@AlexanderGreensmith]

Congratulations to Greece for winning the Silver Goal Trophy… and Euro 2004.

[@nkskro80]

Nice mention of my club there. I think we were the first club to win a game using the golden goal rule

[@IvoryPeng73638]

Very high quality!

[@Trargent_08]

Brilliant video, another fun and quakity video. This is what the great Tifo football used to be. Keep going mate

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Amazing works as always, thank you for your very interesting and informative video on football history.

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[@lewisfarrar7411]

Make the penalty spot a yard or two farther away to bring the xG down from 0.78 to 0.5. This will eliminate goalkeepers guessing which way to dive thus reducing the luck element to shoot outs

[@pumelelabanca1442]

Yep. This I agree with.

[@chefj523]

I always liked the sliver goal rule, it rewards the team the played better in the extra time earlier on

[@Adrian-xb5fq]

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[@leftismer]

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[@ridzuanhamzah3033]

Nice and informative

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[@Nic3yi]

Brilliant work as usual, I almost forgot this rule hence I was still very young at that time. Besides the great content and fascinating MG animation, I really enjoy your commentary style and clear voice speech(English is not my first language) so it might make me hard to understand what they are talking about sometimes when I hear some commenter/KZbinr who speaks very fast or with a strong accent(no offence) Keep it up, you really deserve more subscribers!

[@Matthew-bu7fg]

I'd still love the MLS 1v1 as opposed to the penalty kick. Players would have to show far more composure and there'd be no silly stuttering.

[@fresagrus4490]

It worked on early MLS because players were awful. Hardly a single top player on modern football would miss those shotouts.

[@Statsy10]

Ultimately, even the MLS abandoned it, so I'm guessing it isn't the solution either.

[@justinjamieson5180]

​@@Statsy10The main reason they abandoned it though was to get in line with international rules, not necessarily because they didn't like the rule.

[@justinjamieson5180]

It was also tied into their desire to not have draws during league matches feeling that Americans wouldn't accept them

[@Tillyard86]

I came to the comments hoping to see further discussion of the silver goal, but instead, it is just people gushing over how well-made the video is; nice, I guess, but what about the topic of the video? Anyway, the interesting thing about sudden death is that it’s been a thing in American Football for years, and many fans have hated it for a while now because it means that the first team to get the ball often wins straight away. I think the penalty shoot-out is the thing that needs fixing. Do the thing they have in hockey and have them dribble the ball towards the goal from further back with about ten seconds to put it in the goal. It's much more chancy and exciting to watch.

[@ivanmajic8794]

He mentions something similar at the end, the american 35 yard shootouts, those look fun

[@8blademaster]

Man I love these videos, it's like washing Jon Bois/Alex Rubenstein for a sport I am trying to learn more about

[@RouteNone]

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[@adli15_]

Amazing video again as always Personally feel the extra time-penalty setup we have is good now. What needs to be looked at instead is improving other officiating technologies used (VAR I'm looking at you).

[@trwijbenga]

Quality vid mate.

[@RouteNone]

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[@idktbh11234]

field hockey now does a penalty shootout where you run from 20 metres and get eight seconds and i think its a pretty good compromise, about half go in/half are saved.

[@dashtoroya2838]

MLS introduced that in their penalty shootout

[@edoten7306]

1:44 thought at first it was a joke or some kind of friendly game. After a little search, i think that tournament had the best sponsorship naming of all! (the Milk Cup is my favorite one)

[@Kinggrave]

I want to know how you make these videos? Like I love the 30 frame animation, just makes it look so much nicer. Great video as per man 👏👏

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[@jmace86]

I think the best way to decide a match after normal time would be to have the usual 30 minutes of added time but each team has to remove a player from the field of play then every 3 minutes, both teams have to remove another player, until you are left with just a 1v1 match for the last 3 minutes. If still no-one scores then penalties it is! It would be much more exciting and would open up plenty of tactical tweaks for managers to use during it.

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[@goncalofreitas2094]

Incredible content 👏👏

[@Buffalo31]

I remember the golden goal and quite liked it, but don't think I ever heard about silver goals and feel like it wasn't given a fair trial. It gave us the excitement of Greece winning a title, so might have made some other interesting results since then.😮

[@loktah1]

great work!, have you made the outro music yourself? fits well

[@RouteNone]

Cheers! I can't take credit for it I'm afraid - it's a tune I found on a stock music site. "Cool" by EILOH - app.soundstripe.com/songs/15151

[@PHDiaz-vv7yo]

Still remember this in Euro 2004 and after Postiga equalised and Campbell’s disallowed effort before the end of the 90. Can’t recall Much from 91-105 mins for a silver goal. Then the second half of extra time exploded with Rui Costa pushing Portugal into the lead- but not a golden goal allowing Thooper Fwank to equalise. And later ushering in another England penalty shootout loss

[@jeanmahram]

Love it! thanks for your hard work. Also gotta throw in Ilhan Mansiz v Senegal 2002 Golden Goal 😉

[@jeanmahram]

lol! you just mentioned it 👌

[@dandagames6030]

For me as a Czech that silver goal knockout still hurts

[@VegaPhil]

Here’s my idea for extra time. The first goal scored in extra time counts double, basically acting like an away goal used to work, so if the opposition then equalise they have to score another goal to win the game or the team that scored first win. Rather than golden or silver goals which potentially end the game early but mostly end up leading to more cautious play due to the greater jeopardy, this puts more emphasis and reward for going for the first goal but still gives the other team a chance of coming back, albeit with a big disadvantage. Might be crap but worth a go I think.

[@fresagrus4490]

You get it right in your last sentence, it is a horrible idea.

[@user-zn1ur1jw7r]

I’ve always thought that there should be the golden goal with a twist. In overtime the keeper can’t use his hands. This would make likelihood of scoring much higher. No more penalty kicks!

[@Geographyandhistory2024]

This would make both team's park the bus even more.

[@ytp3n]

The idea that the silver goal happening at the end of half time becoming a golden goal could have been prevented by giving extra 10min for the opposing team to react for a tie.

[@vastrashastra]

One change I would like to see in Extra time would be recurring subs meaning Subs made during normal time can play again in Extra time.

[@jamesstewart556]

My favorite format is the Oklahoma rule... if drawn at 90 minutes plus added time, teams immediately do penalties. Winner takes a one goal lead, then they play 30 minutes of extra time where the penalty loser can tie it up (and win).

[@123Todayy]

What happens when they tie up in the end of it?

[@explodethebomb]

I feel like it's not actually as complicated as some people are making it seem. I'd explain the rule as "if a team is leading at the halfway point of extra time, they win"

[@aliakseimemelau3]

I've recently thought of an alternative overtime solution, can't imagine I'm the first one, but I haven't ever seen it being brought up. The idea is: in every play-off game teams start with a pre-match penalty shoot-out. Winning team now has an advantage in case of a draw, effectively half a goal. No overtime required. Disadvantage - you need to allocate additional time before the match, but the spectacle is there, spectators love penalty shoot-outs, although the stakes are lower in this case. I guess it might be ok as a sort of a warm-up. Advantages - penalty shoot-out does not decide the outcome of the match, just tips it in a favor of one team; but the biggest for me, at no point in the game both teams are satisfied with the outcome and willing to let time run (and in some play-off matches now it might be true for the most of all 120 minutes).

[@justinjamieson5180]

I get your idea, but the problem is that it's more than just a .5 goal advantage, it's essentially a full goal advantage, meaning that the team that wins the shootout is playing like they are a goal up from the very start, while the losing team is forced to chase the entire match.

[@TeamYohane]

I rally loved Golden Goal rule, the best celebration of my life was an Golden Goal celebration

[@lester4532]

They could probably try a half court 7s extra time and then a smaller court 5s extra time, each team gets 10 minutes defending and attacking or just outright punish parking the bus with an equivalent to the eight second violation in Basketball

[@DannyPlaysStuff]

Probably NFL has the weirdest implementation of this. I know it's a completely different sport but hear me out. Considering tie game is a bit more uncommon to come about, the NFL have 15-minute overtime (the word for extra time in American sports). The rules being used to decide the winner in NFL is basically a combination of both golden goal and silver goal. The overtime rule is that whoever of the two teams competing in the match scored a touchdown first the game ends immediately (which is already egregious considering who's going to attack first is decided by a coin flip), but if the attacking team failed to score a touchdown in their first drive and/or only managed to score a field goal, the other team will get the chance to attack. Only if the same thing happened to the other team on their first overtime drive, the game finally enters proper sudden death, whoever scored points first is the winner. If after 15-minute overtime has elapsed and both teams still cannot produce game-ending scores ONLY then the game is declared tie. (EDIT : the overtime duration is actually 10 minutes.)

[@bencebarabas3555]

The weirdest thing for me in this is having any kind of extra time/overtime and then still having an option for the game to be tied anyways.

[@DannyPlaysStuff]

I mean considering American sports use winning percentages instead of points tally (and the existence of playoff system), that is somewhat understandable. What's weird is that among the top 4 American sports, NFL specifically is the only league that allows a tie game. Hockey/NHL doesn't allow tie games anymore since 2005, baseball games have not been allowed to end in a tie since... ever as far as I'm concerned, basketball is basically the same, and even in collegiate level of American football doesn't allow ties.

[@jamespusey7186]

7:05 the heck is the lizard protocol???

[@mftmss7086]

look it up. lizard ppl control fifa

[@trwijbenga]

They don't want you to know

[@mancantswim66191]

Ask Danica Patrick

[@snako3338]

I still want back the golden goal The only good extra time I remember is the 2022 World Cup final, but apart from that nothing The golden goal has way more memorable moments

[@ghengilhar]

Always love that Celtic are a core part of Silver Goal lore

[@guyfaux3978]

Go straight to kicks. Thirty more minutes in a match is an invitation to players being injured.

[@ikaro873]

I would like where did you find those musics where you use in your videos

[@RouteNone]

Hi there, all the music in the videos on the channel are licensed from Soundstripe

[@ikaro873]

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[@viperV10]

I don’t see why unpredictability is a problem, the existence of extra time makes the game unpredictable as well as stoppages and we don’t know how many penalties are going to be taken in total either

[@Fjell_Ap1]

My classmates and I called it sudden death ☠️when we played football at school. Since we were always interrupted by the school bell, we had the rule of first goal wins

[@MattO109]

Did this guy work for the Atlantic or something the video production is very familiar and great.

[@DecioKupramim69]

I'm a new subscribe and i really love the video and the musics, can you say the muiscs that you use? Even in that Anfield video, the first one

[@RouteNone]

Welcome! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! All the music used across the channel are licensed from Soundstripe - the end song for instance is "Cool" by EILOH

[@lawrenceporter8389]

Statistical evidence doesn’t back the popular notion that golden goal encourages more defensive play in extra time. Teams just play defensively in extra time anyway. The 2002 World Cup saw five knockout games go to extra time and three were decided by a golden goal with just two shootouts. The first World Cup after golden and silver goal were scrapped 2006 saw six knockout games go to extra time and only two saw any scoring in extra time and four went to penalties despite the need for caution supposedly reduced.

[@datopdawg01]

The 30-minute extra time should be 9 on 9 for the first 15 minutes, then 7 on 7. After 120 minutes, silver goal rules apply with it being 5 on 5 and then 3 on 3 for 30 more minutes. After 150 minutes, an actual shootout more like the old NASL. Otherwise, a 30-minute silver goal extra time period followed by an untimed second golden goal period.

[@andrewmontague9682]

A David Icke reference! Bravo. 🤣

[@falconeshield]

Italy cried so hard in the 2002 world cup that FIFA had to remove it.

[@Trargent_08]

The silver goal... I think it had been used for 2 times.

[@pasztorferenc6741]

If I remember correctly, in Fifa games Golden Goal was actually Silver Goal, which I always knew, but it's just doesn't make sense to me why they call it that.

[@tomfurstyfield]

Could you stagger penalties so it's less one sided (who goes first usually wins). So team A takes the first, team Btakes the 2nd and 3rd, A 4th and 5th, B 6th and 7th, A 8th and 9th, B 10th?

[@martinmartinec8045]

We in Czech will never forget the silver goal in EURO 2004 Vs Greece 😢

[@musaabahmed3431]

great reminder that if it isn't broken it doesn't need fixing

[@F1Krazy]

0:19 "The D-word"...? "Drama"? "Don't-let-matches-go-to-penalties"?

[@MasterTramsYouTube]

Probably "Draw"...

[@F1Krazy]

@@MasterTramsKZbin lmao dunno how I didn't think of that

[@Blurifying]

diddy

[@maikol05]

Draw i think

[@AhmedSalah-gw4wv]

I've got an idea Penalty shootout AT the start of extra time The winner of the shootout gets an advantage if the match remains tied after extra time.

[@Bradsilvers13]

Reminds me of the ABBA penalty’s, they came and went

[@PStevesson]

Shoutout for the lizard man protocol reference

[@Ese96Agboaye]

Having mentioned penalties, remember ABBA shootouts from the late 2010s?

[@fresagrus4490]

I do. I think they were kind of a good idea to be honest. The main or only argument against it was that it was a bit harder to understand.

[@justefe]

So the 1st major Golden Goal rule affected the Czechs and then they suffered with the last Silver Goal rule! Ouch!!!

[@Mydigitalepitaph]

That Bierhoff goal at Euro 96 sucked all the possible excitement out of the game. Finished there and then due to a goalkeepeing howler too. Shame the Czechs got robbed by a golden and a silver goal. Shame they'll never get to that level 6:01 again.

[@MBrauny12]

i wonder what would happen if football tried something like NHL hockey where they have a golden goal but also reduced the number of players in play, opening up more space for things to happen

[@fresagrus4490]

Wouldn't work in football because the pitch is big and players would need to run more to cover all spaces, that after 90 minutes of football. Ice hockey has a much smaller pitch and unlimited substitutions

[@cereal574]

6:42 is that a sneak peek for the next video?

[@spencerjoplin2885]

Why can’t there be a “shot clock”, say 10 minutes after a goal, and either the opposing team has to score or they lose.

[@poohbear4821]

Penalties are so good, i could do with binning extra time though

[@erentoktams1470]

Stepping on the line while throw-in is a forgotton rule and a bad one at that. Refs seem to remember it in the worst possible times. Whether its your team or the opponent, it always feels real unfair.

[@JoshHenderson16]

Same with all the banal penalty encroachment BS - so unevenly applied.

[@melessemansur4647]

What would happen if the team leading in the silver goal system scored again?

[@Felipera_]

How about instead of penalty kicks we throw players in quick 1v1+GK matches? You have to lose your opponent and score. You start somewhere in the middle of the field and have to make your way to the goal.

[@jstnrgrs]

The way to fix golden goal would be to get rid of penalties. No time limit, play till someone scores. Just like on the Stanley cup playoffs.

[@sulny7]

Great, now I want to know everything about The Lizard Protocol

[@AlbertoFolres]

What about playing the extra times without the players with a yellow card. Or without a player for every 2 yellow cards. Idk, something like that, helping reduce unnecessary yellow cards, maybe?

[@burningphoneix]

Golden Goals are great. Hated when they removed them

[@TribalGent]

All are amazing, imo. I would structure them differently. For example, having the Quater final decided with a golden goal option, the semi with a silver goal option and the final with the traditional extra time and penalty shootout to the end.

[@itsnotmily]

I don't get how silver goal is hard to understand for pundits. Play the first half and whoever has the most goals wins, otherwise continue as normal

[@RestoreSanityFear]

Whether or no penalty shootouts are skill-based, it is a poor way to decide a football match as it does not resemble the game teams play for 120 minutes.

[@matheusfiorelli8829]

ill say it, because nobodyelse will: extra time in knock-out tournaments that have home and away matches are redundant, if both teams couldnt score in 180 minutes they dont deserve 30 extra minutes, so go straight to Penalties thanks for coming to my TED-Talk

[@lawrenceporter8389]

You play extra time to determine a winner after a draw in 90 minutes. How can it be an advantage of a system if someone scores in extra time for that the other team still has a chance to make it a draw?

[@srjt1684]

Extra time is still just as boring without golden goal. Teams are knackered and play defensively waiting for penalties. The solution is to go straight to penalties. They are not a lottery. They are all about skill and composure.

[@pedronunes3063]

I don't understand why golden goal leads to defensive teams. If attacking decreases the chance of winning, why don't all knockout games ending in a 0-0 draw were nobody attacks at all?

[@pkj2148]

Because conceding a single goal ends the match. So they play defensively to reduce the chances of losing immediately.

[@pedronunes3063]

@pkj2148 yes, but scoring a goal wins the game. I don't get how the strategy changes based on the next goal ends the game or not. Team adopts strategy A: Chance of scoring: 40% Chance of conceding: 30% Chance of neither: 30% Team changes strategy B during golden goal Chance of scoring: 30% Chance of conceding: 20% Chance of neither: 50% In this case, shouldn't they just adopt the goal strategy all the time?

[@pkj2148]

@@pedronunes3063 Where did you get these numbers from? Why do you think there are more chances of scoring than there are chances of conceding?

[@pedronunes3063]

@@pkj2148 I made those numbers up, what I mean by that is: Suppose your team have 2 possible strategies, each with a chance of conceding and scoring. The only difference of a golden goal to regular overtime is that you lose if you concede, but win if you score. But if the safer strategy is better, why use the normal strategy at all?

[@pkj2148]

@@pedronunes3063 You can't make up numbers and then use that in your argument. I really don't get what you're trying to say. What is the safety strategy and what is the normal strategy?

[@Zhuk-zc8es]

0:17 What D word? Am I out of touch?

[@MrGjalt]

A draw, truly the horror of every UEFA Official :o

[@themanwithnothingtolose]

Dick