The Sims 4 Lacks GAMEPLAY DEPTH & CONSEQUENCES

This video is a comparison between The Sims 2 and The Sims 4. The purpose is to highlight where TS4 falls short in terms of gameplay depth, consequences and its overall lack of engaging game mechanics.
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⇛⇛ 0:06 Chapter #1 Life consequences ⇚⇚
0:10 Time awareness
1:08 Aspirations
2:59 Memory
5:54 Mood
8:03 Poorly integrated features
⇛⇛ 10:28 Chapter #2 Relationships depth ⇚⇚
10:33 Enemies
12:45 Situation congruence
⇛⇛ 14:03 Chapter #3 School/work consequences ⇚⇚
14:06 School
15:52 Careers
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[@Sitycims]

↓Timestamps↓ ◇0:06 Chapter #1 Life consequences◇ 0:10 Time awareness 1:08 Aspirations 2:59 Memory 5:54 Mood 8:03 Poorly integrated features ◇10:28 Chapter #2 Relationships depth◇ 10:33 Enemies 12:45 Situation congruence ◇14:03 Chapter #3 School/work consequences◇ 14:06 School 15:52 Careers • Hit the Like & Subscribe buttons!🔥🙏

[@Ovyron]

Thanks! And wow! I'm not invested in the sims of this video, and yet all the drama happening on The Sims 2 carries a lot of emotional impact! They don't tell you how your sim is feeling, they SHOW you! I didn't know why I found The Sims 4 so boring, it's because nothing you do has real consequences, The Sims 2 has you at the edge of your seat for something terrible that could happen next, and I recall finding it so hard that I had to cheat with custom bushes that would give free money, but the difficulty made it awesome!

[@PrimmsHoodCinema]

Sims 4 is scared to make you feel bad lol. Every random Sim I meet is instantly available to hang out all the time. Even if I have no relationship with the mf

[@NoteToLoser]

It's comparable to like... if you were playing a first person shooting game with unlimited health and ammo and no storyline. What's the point? It gets boring in 5 minutes. We need consequences and the ability to 'lose' to keep it exciting

[@zombieponcho]

I lit someone's house on fire, there were basically no consequences, some stuff got kinda dirty, and the person was still good to hangout after. It's so boring. I also like to throw away people's food just because I can, and they're never upset about it.

[@HeyTripleJ]

Yeah it’s like all weak and very gen Z friendly

[@lifeisadrag7705]

@@HeyTripleJ Gen Z friendly???

[@HyperfixationStation]

@@HeyTripleJ ???

[@nerdychocobo]

the biggest thing that makes me unable to play ts4 is lack of direction from the sims themselves, the want system is too shallow. in the sims 3 I feel like my sims can tell me what they want to do, and that helps me play the game

[@Sitycims]

Totally, despite not having the best wants system out of the serie, TS3 had a pretty solid want mechanic that actually made sense with the choices of the player and the sims personalities. Whereas in TS4 it's very shallow & random...

[@benn87]

The problem is that Sims 4 leaves everything up to the player. All under the hypocritical pretence of "freedom". Sims 4 is the best example of why endless freedom in games is not always a good thing.

[@DrowningInTea]

Sims 4 was supposed to be an online game. After the Simcity fiasco in 2013 however they removed all the online elements which of course caused many problems, since the game was not designed as a single-player game.

[@Myspace.com6]

I LOVE it when in the sims the want just gives me lore about their personality further then the 5 points I gave them, like for example if they dont roll the wish for a boy or a girl I assume they just dont care and want a hwalthy baby 🥺

[@pondeuces8770]

I agree, in the sims 2 and 3 I always felt like every sim i played was telling me what they want out of their life and I was kind of the one to help them accomplish it and when ur a wants based played it really used to give sims individuality. But in the sims 4, the wants aren’t very personalized in my opinion and all kind of just the same across the board.

[@ichbinben.]

My biggest problem with Sims 4 is that it doesn't create interesting scenarios on its own, but when you actively try to make something interesting happen, the game does anything it can to sabotage what you're trying to do. In my Sims 2 neighbourhood which I've created from scratch and have been playing for something like five generations, one of my sims, called James, married his childhood best friend Chloe. They had started dating as teens and were very close, they had two children together, but one day Chloe, who had romance as a secondary aspiration, autonomously started flirting with James' friend Tommy, also a romance sim. She then rolled a want to kiss him, so I let her and he liked it. He left before James got home from work, but Chloe rolled another want to woohoo with Tommy, so the next time when James went to work I had her call him over, but while they were in bed together, James got a chance card at work and was demoted, returned home and caught his wife and his friend in bed together. He divorced her, she moved out, but she was pregnant with Tommy's baby, so she asked him to marry her, but he refused and they haven't spoken since. She didn't have a job, so she had to start one at level one. She's making very little money and now has to raise her daughter Lindsey alone. All that drama, and I didn't plan any of it. I could have prevented it if I wanted to, I could have just left things at that one autonomous flirt and not fulfilled her other wants. But I let the game just take me for a ride, and it led to a great storyline. I'm already looking forward to finding out how Lindsey's life will turn out. The Sims 4 would never start a storyline like this on its own, and if I tried to micromanage it to get the same story, I'd have to put in a lot of work to make her husband hate her, even after walking in on her woohooing his friend.

[@yiessyv.5228]

What a good novel your Sims made for you there!! :O

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

geez. Only 5 generations? lightweight ;) I'm on my 13th generation (yes 13). Took me 10 years, 3 computers and 4 operating systems. Is a massive pain in my backside every time I had to reinstall the game and migrate the neighborhood to increasingly newer and more incompatible OS's and hardware. But I'm still going. oh the stories I had in that neighborhood.

[@ichbinben.]

@@OnionChoppingNinja Yeah, I had an older neighbourhood I had been playing for a loooong time, file got corrupted somehow, I know I had a backup on a USB stick, but I can't find it. Gave up on ever seeing that neighbourhood again years ago 😭 Now I save backups regularly, on my pc, as well as my laptop AND a USB stick!

[@semnome9536]

The gift system in ts4 doesn't make any sense. You can literally give a sim a pile of horse sh*t and they're still gonna love it!

[@Sitycims]

It's the worst!

[@baoziday5178]

Yeah, my legacy sim got given a camera as a gift and she hated it even though photography is one of her likes. I was so confused

[@SnipsySnips]

@@baoziday5178 I was about to say, I'm pretty sure the gift system in TS4 is completely random. The outcome if the gift is liked or disliked is not based on the quality, price, or preferences of the sim - it's just based on a randomized outcome. It gives you the sense that sims react differently, but not really.

[@queenroaster8704]

😂😂😂 it's true

[@aeoligarlic4024]

Lol i watched that part in carl's video

[@pezdispenser8397]

1:45 They’re destructive as hell too 😭 Having teens with low aspiration in a household is actually a nightmare. Stomping flowers to death, kicking over trash cans and causing roaches, randomly starting fistfights with closest friends/family and ruining perfectly good relationships, destroying lemonade stands and doll houses, ruining other people’s paintings, etc. It really makes you care about keeping their lives under control.

[@solouno2280]

Thing I missed in 3, but got implemented in a random dice roll on Generations expansion

[@Ihazfunkitty]

I loved how in sims 2 the kids who loved their parents would run up to them and greet them when they came home from work. Just a little detail that theyre little people instead of plain dolls like in sims 4

[@TylerElijah]

Love that "that they're little people" EXACTLY what the sims is about. Creating a world of little "people" not programs

[@oroontheheels]

I made an evil sim. Made him attack a person who was just walking past his house. That person invited himself in, spent around 2 hours there being constantly harassed. Then said “thank you it was wonderful time”. It’s just not fun…. P.S. I usually play with nicest sims possible. I just made evil sim based of fictional character who is evil and wanted to have fun trying new play style. But sims 4 is just not fun lol.

[@Sonek4BR]

When you feel the need of explaining your comment why you've decided to make an evil character in a game obviously because you're afraid of someone else's thoughts about you, that makes it clear that it's something really wrong in this world. Do not explain yourself bro. You've made a bad character because you can and nobody have nothing to complain about it.

[@daniel.holbrook]

evil sim I'm playing gets a want to trash their enemy, so I do so they get stuck with a tense moodlet for betraying their "friend" for like a day or so ???

[@unoriginalperson72]

​@@Sonek4BR what the hell are you even saying

[@Sonek4BR]

@@unoriginalperson72 Exactly! I'm saying THE HELL. The world is becoming a HELL and we must thanks the WOKE ppl for that. Don't you agree? Now allow me to explain about the game: It was a good game back when it was not a woke game. Now let's see... does it have inclusion? Yes. Does it have diversity? Yes. Does it have equity? Sure. So yes, it's woke. Besides, back there in The Sims 2 and even 3, the gameplay was way more fun and things were more "real". Now, unfortunately the game went more cartoon like and way less fun. Do you disagree? It's up to you bro.

[@virgoandennic]

TS2 truly is the GOAT

[@karlostouro]

i just downloaded sims 2 ultimate collection and i agree, sims 2 will ever be the best

[@Ovyron]

@@karlostouro Have you downloaded the mods from moreawesomethanyou? They make the gameplay even better, I remember each sim feeling more unique with them, many annoyances were gone, and there were automation buttons so sims could do complicated things on their own with a click and you could focus on their stories, a must have!

[@valeria-wi7zw]

@@karlostouroIs it easy to install I really want to get it on my pc but I’m a bot😅

[@karlostouro]

@@valeria-wi7zw This program will also download the "graphics rulers maker" which in this case means that the game can run properly on current computers, since the game is over 20 years old...

[@karlostouro]

@@valeria-wi7zw There are also countless tutorials here on KZbin, just search for "how to improve the sims 2" or "how to configure the sims 2 graphics rules maker", believe me, all the tutorials are useful !

[@gabimferraz5212]

in sims 3 the phone hours thing also happens. the sim will say "im busy now, try calling in 4 hours"

[@laffin_out_loud]

Sims 4 is either you make an interesting SIM or you build a house. That's about it. The aspirations are boring as hell for sims 4. Everything is just boring and lack an interesting life.

[@zerosenseofself]

Exactly! It's supposed to be a life simulator but it lacks LIFE.

[@palytta93]

THIS is why I just can't play TS4 😭 It's so BORING compared with TS2, there's no consequences for anything! I kept buying expansion packs hoping they could improve TS4 gameplay, but it truly is unsalvageable

[@h4ppyp3an4buter6]

Dont buy packs. I play the sims 4 with all of then (i cracked the game) its not worth the money still is boring only good things are cas and build mode, because gameplay is 95% play pretend

[@octane1713]

@@h4ppyp3an4buter6I have every pack but Batuu and the game is still less fun than the sims 2. The only way to make sims 4 fun is to play challenges, and even then I should be able to enjoy the game without a challenge. Sims 2 I could just create a family and live it out and have fun.

[@Raphael-lu7vj]

lol uninstall that sht and download sims 2 ultimate collection, download a bunch of CCs and have fun!

[@felixheinimann8968]

I also don’t understand why they went backwards with having loading screen when going to another lot

[@namelessidiot8132]

in ts3 a sim cheated AUTONOMOUSLY and they later AUTONOMOUSLY confessed to their partner (i didnt want them too lol) and i tried so hard to get them back together and it was so much work. one time i was out playing with other sims and i come back home to see the toddler being miserable. i then find out its because his parents divorced in front of him and i check and they did in fact divorce, again AUTONOMOUSLY and i wasnt even there to witness it. all of that basically happened without my input, i even tried to force them to like each other again but in the end they were like f you and divorced on their own😂 i was a little mad but man, you wont get any of that in ts4. the sims actually feel real and yes you control them, but keep them on high free will and theyll do things that actually have a very big impact and not just make hot dogs and watch tv all day.

[@boethia7367]

My sim cheated at their wedding autonomously. 😅

[@Mskittenlover12]

In my Sunset Valley save not too long ago, I had gotten Cyclon3 SW0rd together with Blair Wainwright and I left them and went back later to see that they had autonomously broken up and Cyclon3 had started dating Madison VanWatson then I left them again and returned later again and Madison and Cyclon3 had broken up and Cyclon3 had not only gotten back together with Blair, they had gotten married. I was so taken aback 😭

[@svlanifructis7114]

People often said that Sims 3 had a lack of Sims going to town and hanging out (something I never actually felt tbh, I always found company for my Sim) but I prefer that so much over seeing the same 5 Sims hoeing it up at every night club. Some of them have small kids, why are they out partying until the ass crack of dawn?

[@OddSauce]

I think this really goes to show Sims 4 is afraid of being a game with depth and stakes, instead it just wants to be a feel good-y dollhouse with quirky characters

[@Littlevampiregirl100]

yes its very plainly a sandbox game, but without the part where you get to destroy your sandcastle... i think i would have more fun playing in an actual sandbox hahah

[@ktostam35]

I never played Sims 2 but I love sims 3, and noticed some things: Sometimes children get a want to "get mommy's/daddy's attention" if they don't interact much Evil sims seem actually evil unlike ts4 Once I made my sims divorce in front of all their children and it kept them miserable for a few days, to tye point where the toddler refused to be potty trained out of sadness and cried when my teen tried to train him, I think it shows how much of an effect situations have on sims I noticed that if a sim admits to cheating it's much harder to gain the relationship and the option to interact romantically back

[@nerdychocobo]

In my recent save, my sim decided to marry the townie jared frio, who is mean spirited. he was surprisingly sweet with her, but would roll wishes to be mean to his brother and friends. and then when they had a kid, once he became a teen jared started rolling constant wishes to be mean to his own son! and when he became an elder he would start constantly autonomously being mean to his wife, it made it seem like he got meaner as he got older lol. and the fact that evil sims wish to see the ghosts of alive sims, even ones that they're really close to. I also had a heartbreaker sim who started flirting with a guy while his wife and toddler kids were there too. and the toddlers ran across the park to witness the cheating and get upset and betrayed

[@NoteToLoser]

@@nerdychocobo See this creates narratives and storylines! That's what makes it fun to play! We don't have to make it all up in our heads like TS4

[@legacy7249]

In sims 4, I made a family with two or three kids and two parents and made them divorce just to see what happened. The parents got negative moodlets and sentiments, but since it didn't happen right in front of their eyes, the kids just acted like nothing happened. It was disappointing.

[@declaracionespolemicas]

I noticed Sims 3 also has negative outcomes for children and teens failing school, since they'll get a bad trait growing up. Also Sims aren't always willing to hang out and will tell you they can't talk if you call them while at work. Also, if you have a bad relationship with a Sim, like person non-grata or enemy, no matter how much you try to be nice to them they'll always turn you down and try to fight you.

[@nerdychocobo]

@@declaracionespolemicas in fairness, I don't think it's guaranteed to be a bad trait, the punishment is just that you don't get to choose. I swear I've had sims fail at school and age up with something like the good trait. I know the wiki says that there's a higher chance of negative traits, but tbh unless I see a line of code saying that I'm going to assume it's simply confirmation bias - people expect it to be a worse trait, so they notice it more

[@kyolivine]

One of my fav things abt Sims 2 are one-sided relationship. In TS4, Sims will have the same relationship level with each other and the dynamic thing doesn't really make things much better. But TS2? Unrequited love? One Sim being in love, while the other doesn't really care and leaves the 1st one at the altar? Cheater Sim still having more or less decent relationship with Sim they've cheated on, while their former partner hates them? It's amazing

[@gabimferraz5212]

this is soo cool too, i usually play sims 3 but i always think back to one sided relationships

[@legacy7249]

There were one-sided relationships in the sims 2? That's something I always wanted for the sims 4; i didn't know it was already in a previous game!

[@parrot998]

@@legacy7249 A LOT of great things were cut from the first two games... With the jump to 3 and continuation through 4. Interests, fears, being able to choose if you wanted your sims to have a cell phone, properly animated cars, cutscenes, actually functional gemetics with dominant and recessive traits and generation skipping, etc. I could keep going, but it should be readily apparent that the loss of people like Will Wright, Tim LeTourneau, etc that actually cared about the details really gutted this series...

[@SimsAllAround]

@@legacy7249Yyyyep, the Wiki documents all of who feels like that on their pages

[@deanprice8436]

This is why I'm still playing The Sims 2

[@bethparsons3625]

Me too 😁

[@bulbasaurtheboss4420]

And me too ! I never bought sims 3 or 4

[@Algebrainiac]

I need to know how y’all downloaded it lol

[@bethparsons3625]

I own the discs . There is a website for abandoned games and Sims 2 is considered an abandoned game. Just Google it.

[@tiamod]

@@Algebrainiac it’s just a google search away. Sims 2 Starter Pack.

[@Atsuhiko8888]

In Sims 2, it was so nice being able to see how Sims could react and do things according to their personality points. While there were only 5 sections for personalities, they all change the game in so many ways that I don't think that we have even discovered everything the personality system has to offer even 20 years after its release. In Sims 3, it was fun being able to give sims a specific trait and seeing how they would use it in everyday activities, there were so many interactions locked behind each trait and I loved seeing how all of my sims reacted in different situations. Plus apparently with the base game traits alone, there are millions of possible unique sims you could make. Meanwhile with Sims 4, the traits only affect the emotions and we all know how shallow that system is, every Sim's reactions and interactions is determined by their emotions which just ends up making everything feel so lifeless. This is also the reason why we have trait mods for Sims 4 but not Sims 3, because all they need to do is write code that changes the emotions, in Sims 3 they have to account for hundreds of interactions, animations, moodlets, and objects. Also I would love to see a video that compares 3 with 4 and even 1 with 4.

[@elurra.6562]

It's really incredible how can they destroy a saga like this. I really don't know what failed in the making of the Sims 4. I wish we had a remake of the Sims 2, 3 or medieval. I miss those old times when playing a game wasn't stressful as playing the Sims 4. I'm really dissapointed. Thanks for always providing these type of videos! Hopefully EA watches these and makes an improvement for the Sims 5 (difficult watching how it is going)

[@Sitycims]

Yeah, I have no hope for TS5 either, but at least we can hope the other upcoming life simulation games can take a few notes just in case (not that I don't trust them I'm pretty sure they'll do a much better job than EA) 😅

[@elurra.6562]

@@Sitycims Let's just hope for the best! It will be quite difficult for them because EA is a big franchise but I really try to believe in them.

[@benn87]

Well. Many people always explain the emptiness with the fact that Sims 4 was supposed to be an online multiplayer game at the beginning. But I don't think that can be the whole story.

[@baoziday5178]

​@@benn87I think it was mentioned somewhere, that when the sims 4 was being switched to single player, a lot of the coding got deleted. And instead of redoing the whole thing, they just filled it with spaghetti code to have it released faster. That's why stuff like toddlers and swimming pools were missing in the beginning. Idk if that's really true though or just a rumour but it could be an explanation for ts4 is the way it is

[@Ovyron]

Someone had an idea: mix the animations and mechanics of the Sims 2, the graphics of the Sims 4, and the open neighborhood and Create-A-Style from the Sims 3! It should be possible because all of it already exists, the problem is they always scratch everything and create a new engine which may not be as good as previous ones, just make a The Sims Remix version!

[@Dares9]

I live for your snarky commentary towards The Sims 4, they deserve every last bit of it...

[@silvercarriage]

Sims 4 is just built on fear. It’s scared to trigger or offend us. I feel like I am playing with my inauthentic, traumatised people pleasing ”friend”. Maybe its just a realistic reflection of the state of the world rn.

[@chitose4199]

The calling during work issue occurs because TS4 sims generally don't go to work. If you enter into pre-made family during work/school hours, it's very likely that the sims are arriving late or skipping work or school. Even in active jobs, the game forces and/or spawns townies to be in the building, but in their job menu they're unemployed. I haven't finished the video yet, but I know enemies and bad interactions are huge nonsense in TS4. Lately KZbin has been recommending a video to me with a title like "What happens if I treat a child badly?", that is, children who get along badly with their parents in TS4. I haven't seen the video, but my answer is clear: nothing. The children are not going to want to run away from home, and as long as they have the hunger bar at the minimum, the social worker will not come (if they pick up the children, I don't remember). Reminds me of the TS4 videos of "I leave my sims alone for "x amount of time"", with thumbnails of sims dying, burning or living among garbage. This doesn't happen in TS4.

[@mihailoveselinovic7151]

That's so lame and shame on EA when even sims 2 story progression/time sync mod can make sims on other lots be at work/school on time...

[@JesusisliterallyHim]

the last part i have to disagree there were fires, death and the usual s4 nonsense

[@mihailoveselinovic7151]

@@JesusisliterallyHim much rarer. Check out how ts4 fires compare to sims 1-3 and you'll see chances are much lower and if you leave something in/on the stove in sims 4 it won't start a fire unlike sims 1-3.

[@JesusisliterallyHim]

@@mihailoveselinovic7151 yes but their are other ways fires can happen even though personally it doesnt make sense. I had a sim max cooking and gourmet cooking and a fire burned the whole kitchen down

[@legacy7249]

I watched the video, and if i remember correctly, all that happened was the kid aging up with low self esteem.

[@chychy0326]

i remember when i played the sims 2 a sim would leave a flaming bag of poop in front of your house if they hated you enough 😭💀

[@SimsAllAround]

Yyyyyyep, do not screw up your dates

[@sydneyjupiter979]

10:25 Rumor has it that sim is still waiting for their pizza

[@Sitycims]

😂😂

[@Chickengirl005]

I think it boils down to laziness and complacency, knowing that people will continue to buy every Sims 4 expansion packs no matter how flawed the game is. Also, if a large demographic of the Sims 4 is children, then I can see why the life consequences shown in this video are so sanitized/dumbed down. Like the devs don't want kids to be upset over realities of life. Which is silly because kids will end up experiencing some of the same upsetting life experiences that happened in Sims 2. So it's still dumb to me. My only major complaint about life consequences in Sims 2, is when your Sim(or pet) will get a question about doing something at work. And if you choose the wrong answer, you can either get demoted or outright fired. The way the questions are worded sometimes, it can be hard to know what is the right answer. Obviously you can cheat and look it up online but...

[@mihailoveselinovic7151]

I think you are misunderstanding the chance card system. There's no right or wrong answer for them. You can always ignore them and you wont get a bonus/penalty, but the chances for one of two answers to be correct or wrong are usually 50/50. Some of them have higher or lower chances of happening. In fact, sims 2 is a highly chance based game, as is sims 3. The basis of sims1-3 is any action can have a consequence, here's a chance for this consequence for that action, and you can modify that chance with skills/personality/mood or other situational factors.

[@Sitycims]

​​@@mihailoveselinovic7151 Right! It's also worth noting that with aspirations points you can buy a perk that significantly increases the sucess of chance cards!

[@Ovyron]

I never liked from the chance card system that everything was just text, in my mind I thought "hmm, maybe it's the state of the art, in future versions of the game you'll get to actually SEE and EXPERIENCE what the chance cards says and make decisions and suffer the consequences in real time!" But in TS3's rabbit holes they went the other way, and in TS4's latest expansions the most interesting things happen in text only! I think these kind of situations have a great unexploited potential, even if the decisions you make work half the time at random...

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

It's random - I ALWAYS choose for the potential drama that could be incoming😂

[@mihailoveselinovic7151]

@@RosesTeaAndASD Exactly. Unless I don't want drama, when I choose to ignore them. Buttt i have gotten really good at choosing ones with positive outcomes.

[@bunnybunnybunnybunnybunnybunz]

2:39 This animation is incredible. There's so much emotional depth to it, watching the Sim calm themself down after a fit of anger... Just wow.

[@linorder22]

THE SHOPPING CART GLOWS NOW?! okay guys, the sims 3 is on sale. maybe you should just play that instead.

[@Cervidae]

pirating ea is always morally ethical

[@linorder22]

@@Cervidae as a pirate myself, i can confirm. better yet, just pirate the sims 2/3

[@Astolat.]

@@linorder22The sims2help subreddit has a very well-packaged, super-easy installer for TS2 Ultimate Collection. No need to mess around with cracks or keys or anything. Highly recommend. /r/sims2help/wiki/index

[@sugaloaf9889]

​@@linorder22nah, Sims 3 is actually worth the money. Might have to pirate Sims 2, since I don't quite know how using the discs will work. If they work.

[@gabimferraz5212]

​@Cervidae funny how i have all 3 sims games for free, i just have no idea how that happened, must be a present from the ets

[@what-hq1gl]

i want to give sims 2 a try now.. school laptop time to shine

[@bethparsons3625]

You won't be sorry . Cc will update clothes and hairstyles.

[@STP981]

You won’t regret it trust me. It’s so fun

[@tiamod]

Just google sims 2 starter pack. I guarantee the laptop can handle it.

[@VeggehGaming]

The Sims 2 is an absolute king of a game. These videos prove just how much The Sims 4 falls short that it's not even a joke anymore. It's just sad. And it will never change until people vote with their wallets, employ some due diligence and do proper research before purchase, and stop buying this constantly-shovelled-out crap. The only reason I prefer The Sims 3 over 2 though is that it solves my biggest gripe with TS2 where travelling between lots would pause time on your previous lot but when you return you''ve still brought back the needs loss you had while you were gone. I could go for a night out and back completely drained and ready for bed... at 2pm that afternoon... and the only solution I ever found for this was to cheat the needs back to roughly where they were which was very annoying and discouraged me from playing off of the home lot. The open world nature of TS3 fixes this and I find the trade-offs with the rabbit holes, etc. to be worth it. But there's no denying that the level of detail that TS2 has demonstrates just how much love there was for its development overall and it has by far the best implemented expansion packs overall. And these videos provide some real catharsis. If only TS2 was still available on the EA Store for new people to pick up. it's almost like they're afraid of losing sales to people playing a better version of the game! It's probably why they've never reduced the normal price of TS3 content either, despite that game being 15 years old!

[@normalaboutpathologic]

wait, the bus driver in the sims 2 clip actually honked (like he made the animation with the hand) when the honking sound played! I've never noticed that before, sims 4 could never

[@aeoligarlic4024]

Sims 4 doesn't even have a bus 😂

[@asmalltalk]

Thank you for summarizing how boring, soulless, and easy to play TS4 is. The way it was dumbed down to be more “accessible” to kids is also quite insulting because I played TS1 (basically the hardest sims game) when I was 11 and I had a blast. EA severely underestimates the players. It’s not a live sim game when there’s no challenge or consequences, it’s a dollhouse.

[@thatgabberdog199]

waiting emotions & consequences DLC for sims 4

[@sugaloaf9889]

Don't give them ideas.

[@fishseas]

$39.99

[@themidoritwins9228]

The Sims 4 is so lifeless compared to the Sims 2 and Sims 3!

[@Te3time]

someone needs to remake sims 2

[@bethparsons3625]

That's what I said instead of messing up 5 like they did 4 revamp 2 but add somethings from 3 and 4 people like . Cars for example 😂😂

[@mihailoveselinovic7151]

Open ts2! Unity based emulator that reads original ts2 install files and runs them through unity engine!

[@miizumis]

TS2 gameplay, TS3 open world, and TS4 graphics would be the perfect game!! unfortunately EA loves money and most likely won’t do that :(

[@NoteToLoser]

They have mods that can make the graphics as good as TS4! And with the better animations in TS2 it actually looks better overall. If someone could just add TS4 create a sim and building tools to TS2 it would be perfect

[@parrot998]

​@@bethparsons3625? The Sims 2 has cars... Actually good cars in fact that don't teleport.

[@randombrokeperson]

I think kids with bad grades who are enrolled in private school get kicked out and go back to public school if memory serves

[@mathilde3631]

This is so true. I stopped playing ts4 because I just felt like all I could do was make my sims complete their aspirations, it felt mathematical, not human.

[@29.11plum]

Had to get my iced coffee for this one….Im not excited for what “project renee” will bring!

[@renadu30]

Reminds me of a moment I had in Strangeville in the Sims 2. I was playing a basic household (Mother, father, teen daughter, and child son). When there were the neighbours who came by, the teen daughter decided to be mean to one of them (One of the three brothers, with black hair, can't remember which one it was). Then, she went upstairs... And out of nowhere, the blond brother of the guy she had picked on barged into the house, ran up the stairs, slapped the teenage daughter, and ran away, I was both confused yet quite amused in the "Welp, actions, consequences, karma" way XDD.

[@NoteToLoser]

I really hope the devs are watching these videos and taking feedback while they develop TS5. I feel like the next game is make-or-break for the franchise because they've continuously dropped the ball on TS4 with every single release over 10 years, and this time around they have competition with other life simulation games Honestly TS4 feels so hollow and lifeless. Nothing matters, so why play? It's a life simulation, yes, but at the end of the day it's still a GAME, and when playing a game you need rewards and consequences and a sense of the unknown to keep it exciting. Trying to advance in relationships and careers really felt like a *game,* where you sometimes get ahead and sometimes get set back, but in the perfect balance. Every time a Sim reacted to something it was so surprising and exciting; I'm still learning new things they react to to this day! Whereas TS4 is a micro-management simulator that relies on your own imagination to create gameplay. There's no life to it, no surprises, no point in playing. And releasing every single expansion pack over 10 years broken, unfinished, untested? Splitting what we used to get as one pack into multiple (pets > cats & dogs and horse ranch)? It's literally so lazy that it's obvious it's just a cashgrab at this point. They really screwed an amazing franchise into the dirt P.S. I came back to add that a huge part of the charm of TS2 (and even TS1 and TS3) was how wacky they were! They were so quirky and weird and interesting. Things like the psychologist, social bunny, tragic clown, Mrs Crumplebottom. The new ones are just too realistic and even the supernatural elements fall flat

[@rinishan]

Sims 4 is like Hollywood 😂 everyone is so polite and inconsistent, hanging around their frenemies and not showing how they truly feel.

[@ladykeraseraphim2949]

That's for real

[@lucy9698]

I just dug out Sims 2 and been playing that for the last couple days. I haven't touched the game in like 20 years.... and I'm having the time of my life! Although there are things I miss in TS2 that the other games have, it still really highlights how empty, soulless, and effortless TS4 is. Players have been saying it for decades: the next sims game _needs_ to be a combination of all the previous ones. But EA doesn't give a damn.... and that's tragic.

[@wolf_mongress]

1:00 i noticed that sometimes townies can also just go to your house uninvited during when they should be at work 9:40 you can use the spices in recipes which include them, unless you meant eing able to use them to season completed food 15:40 your grades also boost what level you begin a full time job at after you graduate

[@renzobarbieri5104]

Due to your videos I installed the Sims 2 for the first time in my life, and I'm having a blast!! Way more fun than the Sims 4, it's so lifeless and CRAZY expensive. The quality of your videos is great too, thanks!! ❤

[@Corie3269]

As a person who has been playing TS2 since it came out, I wish you hours and hours of fun and great stories!

[@beeszzz2774]

Man this just makes me want to play sims 2 even more, the sims2 has a distinctive artstyle but graphically has its limitations, it just shows its age and it’s not a huge setback, the depth in gameplay makes up for it. While one can argue that sims 4 has a decent artstyle and graphics in 2014 but nowadays it looks embarrassingly outdated, the art direction is doing the heavy lifting.

[@AntiAnte]

i don't usually comment on vids like this, but please go for it! my first sims game was 4 and it made me so bored i thought life sim games were just not for me (also 🏴‍☠️ed every dlc and had all the recommended gameplay mods), but then i 🏴‍☠️ed sims 2 with help from the pinned post r/sims2, and i can actually play for longer than 15 minutes without dozing off. i have 12 gb of mods/cc (soo much hair, clothes, 4t2 furniture, bug fixes, etc.) but none of them are mods that add gameplay because it's all right there. rambling but tl;dr head to r/sims2 n follow along with the tutorial (and watch videos on how to make your game better looking if interested) and happy simming!

[@tiamod]

Just google sims 2 starter pack and you have the whole collection free.

[@supertna9154]

The beta version of the Sims 2 had more life consequences than the final build like failing the blackout scenario and memories impacting your sim's mood like moodlets in the Sims 3 sadly those features never made it to the final build nor its expansion packs only if the blackout scenario made it back to seasons since weather was brought back into the game.

[@mihailoveselinovic7151]

Luckily you have mods for that now. I have two mods, one for memories impacting mood (memories in ts2 still have strength and it fades over time, the mod just restores the affect on the mood) . And I have a mod where aspiration meter also affects sim mood. Sims emotions suddenly become even more apparent with these two mods

[@baskiramon2049]

Sims 2: real immersive experience about relationship. Sims 3: A variety of interaction and consequence but not depth as a Sims 2. Sims 4: a bunch of text box with no real consequence.

[@soniablanche5672]

One thing I find funny about Sims 2 is that sometimes they want to see the ghost of people they hate, basically saying they want them to die lmao

[@svlanifructis7114]

I liked how in the Sims 2 and 3 when I made my Sims live somewhere somewhat isolated they were well and truly isolated (apart from the newspaper lady and the mailman). Can't have that in the Sims 4, there's always gotta be someone fishing in your area. It's a true doll simulator because there's no gameplay or personality when it comes to the Sims you create. They just stand around and wait for death to come.

[@what-hq1gl]

8:46 did anyone else see the "burning to death" thing

[@Sitycims]

Yeah, it happened at the wrong moment and messed up the B-roll I had to mute the little music that was generated 😂

[@shybluechild]

im so glad i played sims 2 as a kid (as that was the only one out at the time) because it was just amazing. i played it non stop by myself and with friends. the few times i tried sims 4 as a late teen i hated the gameplay and have only tried it a couple of times. even now at 25 i still go back to sims 2 from time to time because i love it so much.

[@Tiger4ever89]

Sims 2 and Sims 4 is actually accurate on today's society if in 2004 people in real life actually cared about real stuff and cherish friendships and love in Sims 4 we see the same thing.. people would choose based on emotions these days.. not logic nor memory

[@kristaylor5115]

I was just complaining to a friend the other day about the options telling me which choice would get my sim fired, like where's the mystery? That would've been so fun to find out on my own but since I know the outcome already it's like meh.. Just saying there's a 50% chance of it happening would even make it better

[@ibuprofen-noodles]

my favorite activity in sims 2: calling my friends at night when they try to sleep

[@sympathetic_heart]

spices in ts4 actually count as ingredients, they reduce the cost of the dish if you have them in your inventory. i think in ts3 you can add herbs to the dish after it was cooked

[@izzymorgen62468]

idk if it's been said before but all of your TS2 sims in every video are fine as hell 😏

[@zenphire]

Even though I’m a Sims 3 supremacist, Sims 2 by far has the best memory system and the most in-depth emotions (better than TS4 which literally had emotions as the selling point😳). Also I forgot just how savage TS2 sims are!

[@SimsAllAround]

Yyyyyep

[@TheMya1988]

I have to thank you so much for this video❣ I now clearly see the stark difference. TS1, TS2 (especially) and TS3 use more of a show, less tell, where TS4, you have to read all the scripts, while the sims are showing something else. I realized that when TS3 dropped the personality points/interests/aspirations of TS2 in favor of traits and moodlets, it was a step in tge wrong direction, but the worst to hit the cutting room floor was the memory and chemistry systems. TS4 even cut down the traits further, and the moodlets are so overly powered towards possitivity, that even tragedies are just a blip. As far as TS4 adding in emotions, I see far more in TS2 (even TS1 has more emotions too)! 🤷‍♀️

[@AaronL0905]

I am going to say this before i watch the video that i feel you'll say or hope you say When it gives you consequences for what you do, the system that manages those is SO skewed towards you not getting any or nullyfying the effects as soon as possible You can mess stuff up significantly making all your sims miserable but the emotion system quickly supperimposes good emotions fully deleting the effect of the negative emotions There are systems in place to cut down the durations of such negative emotions Systems like reputation barely have any real consequence on the things around your sim and are so skewed towards giving your sims good reputations and such You really gotta try to make things bad in this game and even then you can barely notice any bad effect

[@BlueberryDragon13]

The Sims 2 aspiration failure animations make me really feel sorry for the Sims.

[@PersephoneDaSilva]

The enemies one is so dumb in TS4. People will randomly come into my Sim's home and do whatever they want. I can't even ask them to leave. Doing the shoo function just makes the intruder walk a few feet away. You also can't box them in and kill them sometimes. You have to effectively wall them off from EVERYWHERE ELSE, then just wait for them to get bored of your place. Even if you fight them constantly, they'll continue to stand around as if nothing ever happened. Also, I can have a level ten fitness Sim fight a scrawny one with no muscle mass, and sometimes the scrawny one wins in a fist fight. 🤨 You also have to pretty much alienate your Sim from all others if you don't want them just barging into your home. And finally, I miss burglars. 😢

[@miauw7800]

Love your vids. Glad we’re calling all of this out finally.

[@TheChlozie]

This is an excellent analysis of the failure that is The Sims 4 gameplay. This channel deservws more subs and the video deserves wayyyy more views 💜

[@opeixenemo]

the teenagers in the sims 4 are so weirdd, look at this tall grown up dustin, looks like a full adult lol, its ajust 16 year old kid

[@rapha2553]

TS2 is the best ever, a truly masterpiece with soul. TS4 is full of trash with no heart and no fun

[@augustinesim1672]

is there a way to send this to the sims 4 developer and EA's Sims CEO? I think they need it

[@bethparsons3625]

They don't care how long have you been wanting cars ?

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

Sims4 is my autistic nightmare realm. Relationships feel fake & life is direction less. In Sims2 you KNOW if you don't have a friend or date lol You also have ideas on where to go or what to do: - You're out of groceries? Go to the store. You can do so many things while at the store. I've become a witch while raising social and then bought clothes. New storylines just magically open up for you.

[@karenconnor6682]

The Sims 2 is superior to Sims 4 in EVERY way. The Sims are alive, there are consequences for their successes and failures and things just feel more cohesive and immersive in Sims 2. I just love the Sims 2 and wish EA would bring it back and upgrade the features 😊

[@Manwendlil]

what about the sims3

[@daphnegnd3889]

Literally can someone explain to me what we are supposed to do with the spices from the festival 🥴 it’s just a small way to make us spend the crazy amount of money we have in our household right??

[@pitrku175]

I think that they simplified sims 4 for today's kids and ticktock generation. Sims 2 and 3 will always be games for older players since they are much more complex ( I'm not even speaking about sims 1 here, it is still my childhood trauma). People alse got very sensitive nowdays, everything must be "family-friendly for kids" ang good-cute looking, so they strip off this game completely from the humor and some horror aspect (sims 2 Big Foot and Witch in the Jungle, You will always be missing)

[@ekzac]

I agree! It seems an easy life for a new soft life generation. The Sims 2 showed life as hard as it is, even when it comes to some absurdity like being abducted by UFOs. And they do not want to fix that (developers, maybe, EA not).

[@CrusasTheOrc]

the Sims 4 was originally planned to be an online multiplayer game following the Sims 3 but negative reception of Sims City made them scrap the idea and repurposed it into the Sims next single player title, which explains the rough textures, the lack of depth, and the generally boring single gameplay, because it was supposed to be catered to a much lighter online game experience

[@LonaBoomGamer]

Yep, I've been talking about this for years, it's so crazy how the reply to this in the forum, sims walking around like they don't have a job.

[@Depressed_Dandelion]

Ts4 is almost funny in how badly designed it is in the gameplay department sometimes. Made a mean sim, she rolled the whim to make an enemy, so i spend the next in game hour screaming at this random passerby until i can declare them enemies. My mean sim immediately wanted to befriend her now enemy... "from being acquaintances"? That's not how relationships work, ts4... .-.

[@strangestway]

Playing the sims 4 is so boring and lackluster but seeing the comparison actually makes me angry. If they really were more ambitious and weren't so greedy the Sims Team could add all these little details that would be a big game changer. So tired of the texts / UI / pop-ups. As a clear example of the lack of ambition, they recently added "cuddling in bed" as an option with a weird/unnatural looking animation on the side of the bed, when in the Sims 2 the animation was really cute with the two sims in the middle of the bed, they would also autonomously spoon during the night if they were partners and they would have to make the bed in the morning.

[@GloryofGore666]

I was actually surprised by the "fame level lost" feature in Get Famous because it was the first time I saw the game unexpectedly dish out a consequence for playing a certain way and make a certain goal somewhat of a challenge to achieve

[@InfamousAsh]

I can boldly claim that at least 60% of this game's Immersion problems would be fixed if only there was no emotions involved in the first place!

[@herpderpy9445]

I miss the old SIMS, where my maid would laugh and clap while my house was on fire, a young child would be electrocuted and turn into a pile of ash while changing a light bulb, or parents would put their babies in the worst possible places.

[@Chunkysdead94]

The Sims in 4 are just straight up soulless and dumb. I hate having to micromanage every single thing they do. The game is just frustrating.

[@NyanMango]

Children also get taken away for failing school in 2. ...which is kinda stupid, actually.

[@lukas2.036]

11:36 once I made 2 brothers fight for storytelling at the sims 4 then after the fight they started to have a friendly conversation like nothing happened

[@Sitycims]

It's so frustrating I swear!

[@lukas2.036]

@@Sitycims agreed

[@haileydagracie7356]

Theres only ever 2 consequences for your sims if they fail school which is dropping a grade or (child stage only) getting taken away since they got rlly bad grades in ts4

[@MoonlightKire]

I'm a TS3 player, originally TS2, and I swear I tried so many times to give TS4 an opportunity, but I can't spend more than an hour playing. It feels completely lifeless, annoying even with all these happy-all-the-time expressions. Sure, it looks nice and all that but why even bother when TS3 with CC and mods can keep me playing for weeks at a time? Even TS2 VANILLA can make me loose track of time, and the game is 20 years old ffs. No hate on people who likes TS4 obviously, I understand that it can be love at first sight for many people, specially if it was their first entry to the series, but for us old players it's sad that the game we all love has become a soulless cash grab since it's launch, I just miss the passion and dedication that was behind the old games :(

[@SevenEllen]

Being able to call Sims in The Sims 4 while they're at work is stupid - They can't call while they're sleeping, which makes sense, so why at work?! I don't think there should be a magical, free Daycare kids can be whisked off to either. Sims should have to get their kids into one by calling them and pay for it each time, not for it just to happen automatically. Either that or, they call a nanny. If Sims fail to do either of these, they should refuse to go to work.

[@lithat8581]

I'm also tired of sims disappearing into a rabbit hole to go to work. At least in TS3 we saw them drive their cars to the building, even if the building itself was a rabbit hole

[@geeg]

Sims 2 is still my go to and always will be

[@nanofate8662]

Sims 4 is not beating the allegations it's just a quickly rushed mobile game turned main title.

[@JayJay-qu4nw]

Hate that ea didnt exactly make it easy for us to download sims 2 after it was removed from the store.

[@Shadynight97]

This is the reason why I have sooo many realistic life mods installed. But I shouldn't have to have a billion mods to make it feel like I'm not playing barbie doll house simulator!

[@max_haef]

One thing i noticed in my Sims 2 saves is that they end up being BFF with any burglars 😭 like when a burglar appear, they hate them and have the red background on the Sim face, but if you wait long enough.. relationship goes up and they can end up full BFF 🤯

[@DekuNoSekai]

Merci de continuer à montrer que les Sims 4 est un jeu créé pour l'argent, alors que les générations précédentes de Sims ont été réalisées avec passion. Les Sims 2 et 3 seront toujours supérieurs aux Sims 4.

[@daphnegnd3889]

Let me tell you, I made a family in TS4 and literally the husband had so many adventures around town even had 3 CHILDREN outside the marriage. Eventually the kids from the household met through the school the illegitimate children, but they just got along fine there was nothing, no reaction… so I was like ok no big deal, let’s see if maybe the wife will react ? Seeing how there was no “bad reputation” the wife had no idea and still she too became friend with the other children 😊 in TS4 I guess you can be a serene and serial cheater without problems

[@Sitycims]

Ugh!

[@octane1713]

Earlier sims games created their own drama, sims actually felt like individuals with their own personality, and while you had control over your sims there was still room for random occurrences. A real life sim. The problem with the sims 4 is that it is literally a dollhouse game, not so much a life simulation. Every aspect of the sims is controlled from aspirations to wants. Your wants are not so much affected by your traits, life experiences, and the experiences and traits of those around you. Not only that but you have to create your own drama, just playing the game casually nothing ever happens unless you make it happen. Little things like my sims wanting a girl or boy baby. Wanting to get massages, going out to eat, wanting to have more kids, get married, etc. when a couple gets pregnant the parents develop new wants based on the circumstances that actually feel fun and adaptive. Things that would happen in real life. In real life a lot of people hope for a specific baby gender. In real life a lot of soon to be parents engage in certain activities to prepare for the baby. Earlier sims games even had wants of buying specific furniture and toys to prepare for an upcoming child. Sims feared their children not growing up well, not making good grades, they want to teach their children how to walk, and want them to stay out of trouble. The sims 4 is just lacking so much that earlier sims games encompass so wonderfully.

[@Perfektification]

i honestly didnt know about that thing about the unfilled aspiration in sims 2 ouo thanks for telling me sims 2 and 3 is sooo much better..

[@YuMustBeCrazy]

I've actually stopped playing TS4 because it's that boring. I tried so hard to make it interesting. I just get on to build and renovate when i have ideas.

[@PersephoneDaSilva]

One of my mods bugged out, and I've tried to figure out which one. I can't. I used to have so much fun thanks to mods, especially with my Jojo's Bizarre Adventure families. Now, it's boring and uninteresting.

[@tofucomments4853]

Another thing that could be added on the time awareness is that when you load a household it doesn't take in consideration the work hours. I play rotationally and everytime I load and they're in their working hours they would be doing push ups at the living room and I have to rush to make them go to work because they won't on their own😭

[@vengeful_toaster]

Sims 4 Is dry sims 2 has more personality in double deluxe then all of sims 4

[@SimsAllAround]

The spices thing is so funny since Sims 3 lets you use produce to liven up means if you don’t cook them in first

[@princeOpalite3650]

Honestly I would be ok with the sims 4 letting you call working sims if they fleshed it out...like if you call a working sims it will have a chance give them a debuff that makes it harder to get a promotion and each time you do it the chance of them getting it gets higher and you'll lose friendship points based on how high the percentage was before they got the debuff.. so if you call once and they get it , you'll only lose some points but if you call them 15 times and they get it they'll probably get a bad moodlet that only goes down / appears when their around you .. I made it this way so it also affects you when you choose to answer calls at work...idk it's just an idea let me know how dumb it is.

[@derherrderringefantolkienfan]

Sims 2 ist einfach Perfekt;)

[@funnylittlecactus4672]

I was playing a family in TS2 and they had a son. He wanted to go to college so I locked the want for him. I completely forgot that he was going to age up that day. He aged up without being able to go to college and he cried about it for days, I felt so bad. I finally got TS2 installed and working properly on my computer and since then I haven’t touched TS4.

[@kathyazzari839]

I don't remember any of that from the Sims 2. I remember my pregnant Sim dying on her doorstep because the biggest challenge of the game was keeping their basic needs up, and it was near impossible when they were pregnant. So, of course, I quit without saving. I don't remember worrying about aspirations at all. I made Sims for my Sim to hook up with and they did as they were told. I temember pets and I remember your Sim could be scared to death by a ghost. Also, i burned out on playing and quit the Sims (and all video games) before Sims 3 came out. I didn't even know the Sims was still going until this past November when I saw someting about Sims 4 being free to play. So, it is a different game and I won't say it's better but I'm still having fun. It seems like some people ccan still play the other games, so apparently that is a viable option. I thought about it but it seems there a lot of hoops to jump through. I don't think I want it bad enough.