The Sinister Case of Erica Stefanko

Ashley Biggs was a Domino's delivery driver, who never returned from a delivery one night in 2012. The case was quickly solved, an ex partner, Chad Cobb, was having a bitter custody dispute with her. But what about Chad's partner, Erica Stefanko? Was she involved? In a secret recording kept for years, she says herself.
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[@zigginzag584]

If the unthinkable ever happens to me, Mike is the only one with permission to narrate the event.

[@lindsayeller8649]

Please and thanks!

[@JunkyCarrot]

Don’t worry! I will make sure to leave a like on the video! 😏

[@dee9751]

Here here..

[@kimmyfreak200]

me too

[@sweetpeathebreadtamer411]

Same!!!!!

[@janicesmith2475]

Erica: “I have always been a kind, loving, honest person - my whole life - if you don’t count the child abuse, one measly murder, and only one time taking a dump on my victim’s grave.”

[@joeennis2571]

she done it all with kindness and love

[@ktevans881]

It was a love poo 🙄

[@scottashe984]

Mostly peaceful protests are full of concerned citizens such as herself.

[@grantlowe8382]

@@ktevans881 too much🤣🤣

[@AliValentine143]

Look how sweet she was to her husband's best friend while they were married and afterwards too.

[@symonew33]

Erica “I’m not a hateful person” Also Erica “Do I feel bad about what happened to her? Not really”

[@laurenmentink7401]

Erica wasn't hateful, naw, she was EVIL. Worse than hateful!

[@meghang2599]

Also Erica: *takes a dump on someone's grave Also Erica: "here, eat this dog sh--" (to her own child)

[@lowrider81hd]

“And watch me shit on her grave!”

[@hollystiener16]

@@meghang2599 not her own child, her step daughter

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@hollystiener16 Like a modern day Cinderella. Hope Grace finds her happiness now that this crazy, evil woman is gone from her life.

[@richarddutton1981]

"If me being found guilty helps people get through this than i can accept that" Hell of a way of admitting guilt.

[@Rugelacharugula]

“Just blame it on me. I’ll take the blame if it helps…”

[@crystalfranklin2583]

Also, she blames her relationship with Chad for her being complicit in Ashley's murder. That's not accepting blame. That's shifting blame and making excuses. She never once held herself accountable.

[@kaleidoscopekate7435]

Fist bump

[@jonasirw1]

The trip to Walmart.. always an integral part of the story. Every single time.

[@jaxxo.397]

So lucky that Walmart has all those surveillance cameras, inside and outside the store. They've helped crack open many a case.

[@scharf74]

The only thing missing is the video of them paying at checkout

[@Newportioo]

Weirdo’s land

[@redraven1604]

Always! Which is why I carry complete murder kit with me at all times.

[@bettyannflaggriggins8143]

It's so stupid to go to Walmart for burner phones cleaning supplies totes you know the typical murder Fare

[@ZombieSazza]

This whole case is horrible: One woman got away with her part for several years, somehow thinks she’s a victim and has done nothing wrong, was a child abuser, defecated onto Ashley’s grave, was massively instrumental to this entire plot. She really believed she was somehow a victim who did nothing wrong. One woman knew about the recording for several years, held it aside as insurance, didn’t once say anything or tell anyone. And one man who knew she was involved the entire time and didn’t say anything, knew a recording existed and didn’t say anything… They were all disgusting people, Jesus.

[@ashkebora7262]

One sign of severe narcissists is they are _never_ in the wrong. They're always the victim of other things, or it's someone else's fault, yadda yadda... Just remember that the next time someone shirks culpability or attempts to act like a victim while having done something horribly wrong. ... basically most politicians.

[@nathangerrard9792]

I think this a case where everybody except the child is a problem Ashley joining the military and giving up custody only to demand custody when she returned stinks of a narcissist that didn't give a shit about anyone but herself. She is only a marginally better person than the killer and others that knew about the murder

[@andresrodriguez3708]

Thank you for pointing that out.

[@mitrovarr]

@@nathangerrard9792 I'm betting she joined the military to escape domestic abuse. It's an absolutely foolproof escape and I know someone who joined for just that reason.

[@nathangerrard9792]

@@mitrovarr it's possibl he seems a domineering fellow but I don't think based on his relationship with Erica that he was physically abusive and even if he was would any mother leave their baby in that situation? Most mothers would die a million times over than leave their baby with an abuser

[@LitteJeanie]

The daughter in this story has been through so much. As a baby was abandoned by her mother for a couple of years. Then warring custody battle between her parents. Her father murders her mother and is in prion. Horrific abuse by her father's girlfriend - who made her eat dog doo. After such an awful childhood I really hope she experiences some normality, friendliness and love.

[@_HimToo]

@@CocoAvalon Ehhhhh This sounds different than that. She left right after the kid was born, did her own thing for SIX YEARS, and then demanded and somehow won full custody. Not like she was in the military and got pregnant. Doesn't sound like she saw her baby on leaves or did video calls. She took off. Yes, she abandoned her kid. The military was just her means of escape! People are always trying to deify military personnel. That's not gonna fly here, no matter how much you twist. If I were this dude I woulda wanted her dead too! Ijs

[@WobblesandBean]

@@sunnydisposition7374 Well, aren't you cheerful. That poor child is traumatized and has been through a heII you will never understand, and yet here you are claiming she's going to turn out to be evil just like her parents? Seriously?

[@carpediem1620]

@@sunnydisposition7374Knowing no different creates just as equal chance of her never wanting to her own to suffer the way she's had to. Empathy man. Have some

[@mdiddio]

@@sunnydisposition7374 Might want to change your name.

[@mdiddio]

Agreed. The kids all around in this story are all the victims. Abuse happened to all of them, not just Ashley's daughter. I hope they looked into the new husband too, as he allowed this to happen.

[@potatopirate5557]

When she was talking on the recording about how she didn't feel bad for her that she died, the way she said not even what she experienced in her final moments, it sounded so much more like she experienced what Ashley felt at the end, that she knows specifically the kind of anguish she was in... it didn't seem like she was just referring to it in an abstract way. Unthinkable.

[@snooseii3282]

Their hatred for Ashley was greater than their care for their kids...

[@nailinpalin1477]

Well she did abandon the child then showed up years later and used the bias evil courts to steal her. *insert female dodging accountability meme here*

[@MalbourneFerreke]

@@nailinpalin1477 biased evil courts?? chad and erica where awful parents and abusive. Ashley was a much better option. chad had domestic violence charges and ended up being a murderer. i'd say the judge made the right decision.

[@cleopatra1311]

Military policy states if you're a single parent you must give up custody of your child until you finish training ect. I served 8 years. She didn't abandon her. Edit: stupid look on your face meme

[@snooseii3282]

@@nailinpalin1477 my main point was the fact they abandoned all their kids through their actions. They chose a reaction that left children parentless over the point they had a child taken from them. This wasn't out of agony for losing a child.

[@dakalodk]

yep

[@lookmammesonyaotoob5392]

"I've never been a hateful person"..... dumping on a grave is sooo normal Ericka.

[@asphaltspreader]

We have to remember that came from a child as did the abuse details, etc.

[@stevem.o.1185]

I visited Soren Kierkegaard's grave in Copenhagen, and it was COVERED in piss and shit. Like, there was a fence around it, but you could see and smell it from quite a ways away. I don't know why, but the man really did something to earn the ire of Copenhagen citizens 100 years after his death.

[@lookmammesonyaotoob5392]

@@asphaltspreader that shocked me hearing that (what she done) as I have never hated someone enough to do that.

[@abbles8753]

It is one of the most disrespectful, discusting things I have ever heard of in my life! What the hell is wrong with some people?? RIP Ashley..

[@SupremeCommanderBaiser]

@@stevem.o.1185 Who?

[@dmc9405]

There was an interview with the teenage daughter late last year. She sounds like she is doing pretty good. She has been in therapy. She works part-time at a veterinary office, gets good grades in high school, and was about to start driver's ed classes. Those around her say she is very level headed. She wants to go to college and become a veterinarian. She does live with her paternal grandmother (Chad Biggs' mother).

[@lafordgirl7549]

Did you hear her testify at the trial? She keep the defense on their toes. But it was kind of disturbing how she said her dad did a not so nice thing as she testified for the prosecution.

[@frankmarano1118]

Her mom definitely had a scat fetish. Poor thing had to deal with that insanity. (You can tell from her reaction when it came up that she was guilty as sin. It wasnt a look of surprise or righteous anger at a false claim. Its was head down shame) Well I have a crazy mother too actually so I can really sympathize, but luckily shes not in our life anymore. & I meant actually crazy & abusive, not "oh my mom is a little weird or overbearing".

[@saimrahman862]

That’s so amazing to hear it makes my heart happy ❤️

[@wilhorstman8790]

q

[@this.is.pointless]

@@frankmarano1118 The daughter literally just said ERICA made her eat dog feces, NOT her mother.

[@mikecrosier6248]

I can understand why he was so annoyed. Imagine how you would feel if the mother of your daughter just abandoned her and you brought your daughter up. Then the mother suddenly decides she wants to be a mother and the courts give her custody!!

[@melissapickel3825]

The original judge that took the daughter away should go to jail.

[@dhatfield8411]

If that was all, sure, but in context he seemed like an abusive pos. She joined the military to get away from him.

[@Anonymous_Gamer106]

I’m sure the judge was privy to more information than we have.

[@vorabee1847]

We all know being pissed off, or angry still shouldnt be a reason to end someones life. (But, that wasnt the point of the comment and conversation. So, sorry for pointing out which is already common sense. Or, at least should be common sense.)

[@colinjohnson5515]

Mike cutting yourself off on every intro makes me laugh every time. Keep up the great storytelling. I really love how you spend time on the affected individuals not just the criminal

[@vxCOCOxv]

Me too! Some videos, he does it so obviously. It’s hilarious.

[@josmclove4426]

He is a nutcase 🤣🤣🤣👌

[@brandacetwitty7204]

@@vxCOCOxv 0

[@clvanessa8352]

@@vxCOCOxv everyone

[@lannah080907]

Same

[@ivyhorah5753]

okay i'm right at the beginning still but as someone who used to be a domino's driver, seeing all the order stickers on ashley's steering wheel was gut wrenching...that's what i used to do with MY stickers. idk why but that specific detail felt like a gut punch. rest in peace babe. what a horrible story.

[@mercedeslahote6750]

my husband used to deliver for Domino’s and something like this was always in the back of my mind because delivery drivers are so vulnerable to attacks. This woman didn’t deserve to die, certainly not this way

[@_HimToo]

Babe? She abandoned her kid and then had the nerve to fight and win full custody of the child she wasn't there for. Being dead doesn't erase that, and neither does being in the army or whatever she joined. The judge in the custody case should be ashamed of himself!

[@arawilson]

@@_HimToo She shuoldn't have gotten full -custody after that - but, TBF the kids father was a domestic violence perp and then a murderer.

[@Edelwiess1066]

@@arawilson Exactly. And these people on here kicking the corpse were never there, didn't know the circumstances, were not privy to all that happened. And yes, good on you for bringing out the fact that violence was in the picture from the father. These people need a lesson in empathy. It's pretty disgusting.

[@jesuszamora6949]

I imagine every driver wonders if they're gonna run into someone who wants a side order of the driver's life to go with that pizza. It's a wonder they're not all armed. Them and Uber/Lyft drivers.

[@chantelle1811]

I'll never fully understand why ex spouses kill over custody issues. The children end up with no parents at the end of it because the living spouse goes straight to jail.

[@moni2624]

Yup and then look what happened Erica got her and made her eat dog feces 🤮

[@smelly6137]

it’s one of those “if i can’t have them nobody can”

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

I think it’s 99% about child support. She got custody so he was probably paying a thousand or two a month to her. I also think that’s why his wife was hell bent on killing her….money.

[@yowatchie]

Yeah it’s never really a solution no matter how they feel. Honestly though like a lot of systems in this country family court is bullshit and creates a lot of these situations by being incompetent. No should’ve died but it’s insane that that bitch ditched her daughter for her entire life but then came back wanting her and the judge gave he anything more than some scheduled visits. It should’ve taken years of her actually showing some effort and building a relationship for it to have gotten to a point of custody disputes. This situation was basically created because of that. Still didn’t need to go down the way it did but it’s ridiculous that Ashley got the custody that she did.

[@c-bass9367]

@@amazingsupergirl7125 He had custody for 6 years and then when she decided to be a mother he had to give the child back. That is total bull. This is a case of men's rights not being recognized. This case is especially appalling since the mother just neglected her responsibility for the most important years of development because she wanted to have fun in the army. If some women tried to steal my child after 6 years of me having custody for no reason other then she decided to be a mother again I would definitely be tempted to murder her also.

[@DarkRubberDucky]

As a pizza delivery driver, I dread this happening to me or any of my drivers.

[@forgottenpalace4472]

Yea, about 15 years ago my brother was delivering pizza and got a gun put to his head when the customers opened the door; the ones who ordered the pizza thought someone else would be bringing the pizza. They ended up apologising to my brother.

[@Tsumami__]

@@forgottenpalace4472 an apology for causing mental trauma? Lol people are wild

[@forgottenpalace4472]

@@Tsumami__ For real. Lol

[@zadden2195]

I'm saying😭

[@AHitmanForHire]

and I was the one guy on your crew just begging for it to be me lol

[@SmoothBrainStuff]

This case is like when you're watching a movie and they seemed to have caught the villain, then you see there's still an hour left in it

[@Dino23124]

Why did you edit your comment? What did it say before

[@bexmw]

Every episode of law & order

[@honorquest]

When the villain is caught before half-way, I always rub my hands and grab more popcorn.

[@siimtokke3461]

Erica- "If putting me in prison helps Ashley's family and friends in some way then I'm ok with it" Me- "Definitely something that innocent person says"

[@keithdevlin1]

*Nice to see the jail sparing no expense to have Chad conduct his interview for court from the prison storeroom/broom closet.*

[@SuperBoomshack]

Ice bucket challenge money dried up

[@SuperBoomshack]

@Raven's Third Eye Readings 🤪🤪

[@JoeChrisMorris]

Ha!

[@pterojacktylus2475]

frankly I was just disappointed Chad wasn’t conducting it with bamboo shoots under his fingernails.

[@danielgarrett7226]

I absolutely love how they try to hide their faces from the camera when they're caught. They actually feel shame and carry out these ridiculous body languages despite everyone knowing exactly who and what they are.

[@Brittany25-j6f]

Yes, it seems like they don't feel bad about doing what they did, only about getting caught at it!

[@reginamushi6582]

😂😂😂 the police thought she was going for him 😅

[@chinavaughan6383]

People like this don’t ever feel any shame. Embarrassment perhaps, but not shame😠

[@Autissm420]

‘doo doo queen’ certainly caught my attention. hope all is well mike!

[@ThatChapter]

It is, thank you!

[@Redhead-hz1sm]

@Dawud Suleiman at first glance I thought you wrote "slut" 😅

[@GovernorRiffRaff]

@@Redhead-hz1sm he wrote slut in an Arabian accent.

[@Redhead-hz1sm]

@@GovernorRiffRaff im dead😂

[@elphaba4674]

Same! 😂

[@doubleemcastillano464]

It’s crazy how you can not be in your child’s life for 6 years and then be awarded custody out of nowhere.

[@sandis700]

💯! The audacity she had to come back and just demand her daughter back! The judge who gave her custody is a moron

[@pencilandpaper8438]

People say the gender bias is less than it was, but it’s damn hard to imagine the same would have happened if Grace’s father had left and enlisted. Still so horrendously sad for Grace. ❤️‍🩹

[@petsmart1000]

yeah, they should have given them shared custody at the very least, but to take her away from the only parents she knew for her whole 6 years to be with her bio mom, whom she never got to bond with, that's rough on kids, I feel bad for her.

[@jessyjulie5506]

I'm guessing there was a reason, we just aren't privy to the court documents

[@bm-ww8kb]

@@pencilandpaper8438 I mean to be fair... that was over a decade ago

[@crashburn3292]

If really innocent of the crime, no one would ever say, *"If it's helpful for the victim's family to put the blame on me ... I can accept that."*

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

@Laurie Davis 😅😅😅

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

Yeah i was cringing watching her cringe 😬 She’s confusing what’s helpful with what’s justified. Or even, revengeful.

[@somethingelse4424]

Yeah, not a great statement to make. It's up there with. "I am not the kind of person that could have done this *generic horrible thing* "

[@yesnonotexactly25]

Can you imagine being abandoned by your wife, left alone with a newborn, and raising her for 6 years before the bio mom comes back and just takes her back for full custody?? The shit fathers deal with in the court system, jesus

[@johndonahue4777]

The family courts are heavily weighted in favor of the mother. And for good reason. They are very often financially less secure and more likely to be a sufficient parent by nature. The guy can try again with other women and usually do. Law is crude compared to the complexity of human lives but has been distilled down over many centuries to contain as much wisdom as could be fitted in. Nothing is perfect so you have to react with some wisdom of your own.

[@morebs8458]

@@johndonahue4777 Just wow. "And for good reason....they are very often financially less secure and more likely to be a sufficient parent by nature". Ummmmm...if less financially secure, strike one. More likely to be a "sufficient" parent BY NATURE"...stereotype much? Women can be and are often HORRIBLE parents. Your response boggles my mind.It's people like you who have contributed to men getting screwed in child custody cases.

[@reggiebenes2916]

I can understand his being upset about wanting custody of the child he'd raised for six years, but did he actually think that leaving the child with no mother or father was a better situation, because that's what he got.It's almost as if some people don't take five minutes to mull over the actual ramifications of the stupid decisions they make.

[@CocoAvalon]

There was 100% a GOOD REASON for her to be given custody if he'd had it that long. Judge's don't just uproot kids after 6 years for no reason. He probably got violent with Ashley or was arrested for assault, then that caused Ashley to be able to get custody.

[@averyeml]

The kind of parent who does something like this 1000% does not care about the child, not really. Having possession of the kid is what matters, since it’s a matter of winning to them.

[@samsoncooper1]

Stop trying to put logic into the mentally ill, you'll just go round in circles.

[@yahnservices1978]

The family court bias is responsible of yet another tragedy. They should have just let the dad see his child.

[@mcattackle]

@@CocoAvalon mothers will get custody 9/10 times in majority states regardless of what the father does even if he had custody for 6 years, in this case i will agree with you though cause he and his fiance was a PoS.

[@horrortackleharry]

Well yeh- how would Chad be able to dump the car in a remote cornfield many miles away without an accomplice to follow and drive him back home? Actually, I can believe Chad when he said that he didn't strangle Ashley; probably held her down while Erica did it.

[@brendaprice665]

I agree

[@pauls3117]

The cops didn't have enough to make it stick and if further evidence were to come out later like it did in this case, Ericka would be walking free as a bird right now because of double Jeopardy.

[@jennyedelson1596]

Chad, Erika and kids left their home in a car. Erika ordered the pizza and Chad got dropped off at the location. Erica left, so Ashley wouldn't recognize the car. Dunno if she took part in the murder, but the plan was to drop Ashley's car back at Domino's. However, the cops were already there so they dropped it in the cornfield.

[@TomLloyd-18]

really shows what a 'shitty' (staying with a theme) job the LE initially did. Didn't they wonder bout who gave him a ride back from the corn field?

[@TLR1988]

Bro there's a guy that likes a woman and literally ran like 4 miles back home. That man killed her and now wanted some get back lol. The daughter had 8 years to come up with that vague testimony. I could've testified in that trial.

[@karawigley6231]

Either way she knew the plan, could’ve prevented it but instead chose to make the call that set the whole plan in motion & for that she’s just as guilty as Chad is. What makes her worse is you can tell she genuinely feels like she didn’t do anything to warrant being punished, so I’m glad she is where she is because only a truly evil person would feel that way.

[@jeremygalloway1348]

No

[@smoochfa973]

@@jeremygalloway1348 😐

[@smoochfa973]

@@jeremygalloway1348 tf is wrong with you

[@sandrafaith]

Yep. The getaway driver in a bank robbery is just as culpable in committing that crime as the one wielding the gun.

[@crowmedicine3890]

She said she didn't feel bad that she was dead and didn't feel bad for what she went through as she was dying. What kind of person is this?

[@personanongrata7976]

I'm shocked by how bad many of the lawyers are, on both sides of the aisle.

[@hespermiller2018]

I went to basic training at Ft. Jackson in 2007 with Ashley Biggs. I didn’t keep in touch with her and I didn’t know this happened to her until I watched this video this morning. This is so sad.

[@MasterNcognito]

Dang, sorry to hear!

[@joanbaczek2575]

What was she like

[@billsfan7883]

Relaxin Jackson…

[@LisaShears-y7e]

Wow, that happened to my father when my sister and her 4year old son were killed in a house fire, he heard about it on the radio. They didn't realize it was my sister because they didn't release the names but by the details of the fire and the area he had a pretty good idea it's was her. So sorry to hear about your friend and having to find out this way. That's awful.

[@StillPojo]

Fun fact: I used to delivery drive for Jimmy John's and we always had to deliver to a specific address, never to a parking lot or public area for safety reasons. I wonder if this case is why we had that policy.

[@olliefoxx7165]

May have been safety reasons or a limit on distance traveled for deliveries.

[@herzkine]

@@olliefoxx7165 ..also having an adress to go to court to if soneone orders 600 Pizza and wings it. At least a chance to identify.

[@VoidWhereProhibited]

its because people used to rob the drivers all the time. Not for money, but we would ALL order pizza over the phone, and have it delivered to a weird place. Take the pizza and run. Then there was the "returned pizza" scam. Because there were no computers or anything for the pizza places way back then, you could tell them anything. It's this even ant ones like it that made all the rules delivery drivers have to abide by today.

[@krotchlickmeugh627]

@Karen Saletrik pizza place in my town made 65 pizzas for a prank call. Guy felt so awful that the manager and cook as well as worker who took the call got fired. He offered to pay for the pizzas for their job back

[@pogo9876]

@@herzkine That's ridiculous. Anyone can say any address. It doesn't necessarily mean the people at the address necessarily ordered it. Besides, huge orders like that-you need to call ahead. A lot of places also require a deposit. They won't even take the order without a c.c. number first.

[@pazarcikvideos]

When you finished all the episodes Tuesday and Friday becomes easily your favorite days ;) thanks Mike

[@ThatChapter]

Thanks Ali!

[@debbieanne7962]

Wednesday and Saturday morning here in Australia

[@iwatchbaywatch-notyourmoth1568]

If looks could kill

[@CoExist64]

@Sam Antha We are here to get the story, it’s a plus that Mike makes them enjoyable. No one thinks the content itself is, but if true crime interests us then it’s best coming from Mikey!

[@kingayy9267]

@Sam Antha Don't be like that.

[@nivee17]

Why do I tear up everything you say “thanks for watching”. It just comes off as genuine gratitude!

[@VictoriaMarch13]

I'm favorite is when he says "take care of yourself because.. I love ya!

[@gidget3467]

I literally forgot it was Tuesday! Wow what a great surprise to have a new "That Chapter" case pop up on my screen 😍 YES Please & Thank you!

[@ThatChapter]

Thanks for watching!

[@lannah080907]

That’s the best. When we aren’t expecting to have goo

[@JNMKlover]

@@ThatChapter Big fan. Enjoy ur fine storytelling and research, except the supernatural ones. If u could please make the intro a bit more closer to ur voice level. Peace and love.

[@vapete1237]

It is Tuesday in Ireland and the United Kingdom 🙄

[@kimmoran4437]

Same!

[@badkitty4922]

I'd like to know WHY, REALLY WHY Cindy waited an additional 4 frikken YEARS to go to the police with that recording. That was an additional 4 YEARS of abuse by Erica that Grace, Cindy's First Born GRANDCHILD, had to endure! Not the best maternal woman at all.

[@jennyedelson1596]

Actually no, Grace lived with her grandparents. They got custody when Chad went to jail.

[@angeladee1463]

I mean, she did raise a killer, so there’s that.

[@badkitty4922]

@@jennyedelson1596 then how was Grace so abused by Erica, that she was, among other things, forced to eat dog poop? Erica had all 4 kids. It even said so in the video. Didn't it? Gonna watch it again.

[@badkitty4922]

@@angeladee1463 true. But you can only blame the parent(s) of an adult killer so much. To a point. I'm also thinking of Chris Watts' parents, ESPECIALLY that Karen of a mom.

[@boated915]

She probably thought she could get locked up too, for covering it up, so she didn't say anything to save herself. I'm honestly surprised there is no mention of her getting charged with anything.

[@tomitstube]

mike is a great story teller, and to any staff that helps him put these video's together, you're on a professional level.

[@thinkb4uspeak643]

Agreed

[@Friendofstfrank]

He has no staff. Just hisself.

[@PhoenixLyon]

Mike is a one man show. Helluva job he does, too!✌😸

[@michaelelizabethcuaz9142]

Him, Himself & Him…Gotta love the boi!🍀 Hit the 👍’s button 😉 Helps Mike’s YT numbers. 🇺🇸🇫🇷🇺🇸

[@michaelelizabethcuaz9142]

That was quick!!! 😊

[@MartinAston00]

I read that when they went to arrest her they wanted to turn the sirens on but they thought it would be more insulting to let her know it’s not how it goes and she’d been worrying years about that for no reason ! 😂

[@RareRosebud]

I was just thinking that it's about 3 months now since I found your channel. I was sick, in bed for 2 weeks, with an infamous virus and I felt so horrible that I couldn't read or watch anything so I would just listen to case after case. And I've been hooked ever since. 🙃

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

Glad you're better Sophie :) What did you think about that evil Ezra whittling on that guy's business?

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

Oh an infamous virus? I haven’t heard of anything going around. 😉❤️

[@Jolenesmart1980]

@@amazingsupergirl7125 not me sounds worrying , you would’ve thought we would’ve heard something ;)

[@LtDan-lj7oj]

My addiction to Mike's brilliance was during the power hungry government"s covid-19 shutdown. Been hooked ever since.

[@RareRosebud]

@@GregBrownsWorldORacing Thank you! Oh man, no words. Poor guy though. She's clearly disturbed. And I know I still have a lot more cases to get through.

[@EmperorOfMan]

It always amazes me how completely stupid these murderers are. It's like they never watched a single episode of That Chapter

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

😅😅 facts tho

[@zedeeyen30]

Anyone who watches 1 episode of That Chapter, watches every episode of That Chapter.

[@DMR1010]

Or read the comments section…..we all get it 🤷‍♀️

[@Tracymmo]

Guy Smiley knows his stuff

[@annacostello5181]

I feel confident I wouldn’t make any silly mistakes.

[@celticxguardian]

“I was my worst self during my relationship with Chad.” Goes on to lay a turd on a murder victims grade and then make a child eat dog faeces.

[@dank4662]

Exactly!! Do you notice how sociopathic she is? She doesn’t say “I was at my worst when I did what I did.” She mentions him as to take away from the responsibility of her actions. “I have never been a hateful person before.” Well she was hateful when she did what SHE did period.

[@somewhatsomething4882]

Maybe she thought the child needed extra protein.😂 Apparently that's why dogs eat other dogs faeces, coz it has an unusually high protein content.

[@veradobis569]

Discussing!!!

[@veradobis569]

Disgusting...sorry

[@madsdee7803]

Yeah it's always someone else's fault with psychos.

[@jeanetteclark4209]

I haven't finished the video yet. I'm surprised that the judge sided with the mom. He was the child sole provider and caregiver.

[@Savvymoon-]

Used to manage a papa John’s & this is exactly why we wouldn’t drive to “parking lots” or anything else… we had a guy robbed at gunpoint after agreeing to meet at the apartment parking lot 😞

[@Kt-cn2rq]

Unless it inside at a business, apartment or home I would tell them no 🤣

[@philiptucker7590]

Never understood why you’d wanna rob a pizza driver….you can’t be getting that much money from them 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Mr_Rob_otto]

I get the feeling that when Mike tells to take care of ourselves and that he loves us, he really, truly means it.

[@deniserossiter1059]

I know. The occasional wink we get w/ it really seals the deal for me.

[@RichieAppel]

He sees you when you’re sleeping. He knows when you’re awake. He knows when you’ve been bad or good so be good for goodness sake.

[@jamesdanton9033]

How is that possible? Love is the emotional response to virtue...so how could he know what random people are watching his videos? By your logic he could be loving paedophiles, murderers, marxists and feminists.

[@bjj9711]

@@jamesdanton9033 you forgot to say fascists

[@jamesdanton9033]

@@bjj9711 Them too.

[@TheCrypticSyx]

I don't understand how these people think that if person A is arrested for a murder, that they're in the clear? like they're not going to spill the beans and get YOU arrested too? Like you think the person is just gonna be like "ah, you got away, good for you!"

[@youngtate3891]

I think he wouldn't have brought her name up if she hadn't married his best friend. All she had to do was not piss Chad off & it's like she went out of her way to do so.

[@MásCebollasPorFavor]

Was Erica putting any money on his books?

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

Well I guess he kept quiet for eight years but her marrying his best friend broke his silence

[@smoochfa973]

@Wreck and Carey 💯💯💯

[@Hollylovesgreen]

@Wreck and Carey that rule only works for organised criminals. These people are both just selfish idiots and clearly act out of anger and jealousy. There's no way people like that would ever stick to a code of silence 😂 they're too reactive and too stupid

[@hunterchristian8372]

Hey guys! This is from the future: Erica just finished her retrail that she was granted and a few moments ago the verdict came back, GUILTY again! This time even worse. She was found guilty of actually being there at the crime scene this time and helping to physically commit the murder! She is awaiting sentencing but boy oh boy, she at least had an opportunity to get out in 30 before... Now I don't they will ever let her free.

[@albatrossfeatherton]

Niiiiiiiice!!!! Thanks! 😁

[@veronicabryant2646]

She didn’t know how to keep her self nice 😅

[@chinavaughan6383]

God, I hope not!😟

[@lisahanson527]

That's an epic case for being careful what you wish for. Also...karma.

[@vickrykayser3129]

Good!! 🎉

[@cq9882]

Her Biggest Concern is that “Hearing Sirens, They Might Be for Me”, what a cold hearted and sick person says that. Given what she had done. What - No Remorse. 🙈🇦🇺

[@Andrea1542]

Right! She's purely rotten.

[@herrschmidt5477]

I just thought "oh honey the sirens aren't made to scare potential targets away." But good thing nobody told her.^^

[@amberflygare3795]

It's wild to think that she might have gotten away with it if she hadn't married his best friend and pissed him off

[@reignman30]

And then not confess the whole thing to the guys mother lol. I mean what the hell?

[@Mitzi13]

It really annoys me that the mother had that recording for years before bringing it to the police. Putting myself in the position of the family who lost their loved one, I imagine I’d be furious at that mother. You know someone was part of the murder plan and didn’t report them when you found out??

[@billybobbobson3797]

@@Mitzi13 because that was the wife of her son. Who had custody of her grand daughter. The dad got pissed off for her abusing his daughter

[@Mitzi13]

@@billybobbobson3797 I understand that, but my thinking is, she could have went to the police right away to report that her son’s wife was part of the murder and then try to obtain custody of the grandchild herself. I don’t know if that’s something she wanted to do even, and I’m not saying she should have tried to get custody, just that I likely would have tried if it were my grandchild. I mean, she basically let her grandchild’s mother’s murder go without full justice for years. She did a disservice to her grandchild.

[@whopiddledonyourposttoasti175]

@@Mitzi13 I'm wondering what grandparents rights are in that state. In NYS the grandparents have no rights at all. My sister cannot even get a copy of her 2 month old grandchild's autopsy report even though her son and his wife were living with her at the time of death. My sister is very suspicious but cannot get any investigation or anything because she has no rights.

[@MsMcCoolio1221]

I just feel so much sorrow for the daughter Grace that had to be a part of this, even though she didn’t ask for ANY of their ridiculous childish and criminal behavior.

[@SoberDadHighOnLife]

Hey, I just want to say that I have been a subscriber for a long while now and I just really felt the need to say thank you for all you do. There is something about your presentation and how you come off caring, sincere and funny while still leaving no doubt how much you care about the victims and also making sure we know exactly what happened. These videos really helped me get threw some of the worst times of my own while dealing with debilitating depression, anxiety and just feeling totally exhausted and not wanting to do anything. Now your probably thinking this is crazy because of the subjects of these videos and your channel overall. Well, all I can say is that when I truly felt like giving up I would binge your videos and for whatever reason I was able to reassess things and laugh a bit and then I realized that I needed to do whatever it took to work on my own issues and change things so that I could possibly do something like you to help others too. Weird right? Well it is just one of many coping skills I now use to take the edge off of the hopelessness when it shows it’s face to me. So I am forever grateful and thankful for you and all u do bro. I wish you nothing but the best and tons of success so that you may accomplish all that you want on your end as well. Have a blessed rest of your year. Thx again.

[@cyrilzosa6706]

Watched all his vids and seen how he transitioned from awkward mike to this great dry and dark humour story teller. Confidence and personality really gave him an edge amongst other crime narrators.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

Geez. He was never awkward just quirky. He’s still very quirky but now confident too

[@cyrilzosa6706]

@@amazingsupergirl7125 calm down. That was my own observation and opinion. Im entitled to that. I don't mean that as insult to him. Just my observation. I'm glad of what he has done and is still doing. Cheers and have a great day.

[@cuppycakey5013]

That poor little girl, having her mom just take off and leave her, then coming back and taking her away from her dad and the home she’d known, then having her get killed, her dad in prison, and being raised by a monster. I hope she’s getting lots and lots of counseling.

[@nineboz318]

Some people forget that Ashley won custody in court so there had to be a lot more going on than is known for that to happen. The courts don't just yank a child out of a stable home with a stable parent and life. After hearing what her stepmom did to her and her father was capable of doing what he did to Ashley there is a reason custody was given back to Ashley. I don't believe for a minute that Chad wasn't aware of what his wife was doing to that precious child. Her abuse was flagrant and continuous and he did nothing to stop it but people want to blame Ashley? Shame.

[@KyrieChii]

@@nineboz318 It also briefly mentions that there was 'domestic violence' between Chad & Ashley before the end of their relationship, which could've also been taken into account (particularly if there were any police reports to back that up). It really has to be _something,_ because the courts do _not_ take 'abandonment' (which, based on this, it sounds like Ashley did when Grace was extremely little) lightly, & they _very rarely_ take the child from the only parent they've ever known (& give them to the one that left them) without real cause. Perhaps Erica's abuse had something to do with it, it sounds like she had Chad wrapped around her little finger, possibly to the extent of knowingly letting her get away with abusing his daughter. But to play devil's advocate, it's not impossible to consider that he was abusing Erica if he could do it to Ashley (granted I'd imagine she'd bring that up during the trial if that was the case), we just don't have enough info to judge. I feel so bad for Grace, she was the victim here no matter how you slice it.

[@WorthlessBailey]

@@nineboz318 They do just yank a child out of a home if it is from the father to the mother. It essentially always goes that way. These same women sometimes sell their daughters virginity for more of their favorite flavor of copium. The woman is evil, plain and simple. Does she deserve to die? No, maybe not but she deserves some kind of hefty consequences for her unforgivable actions.

[@saoirsevicteoiria2759]

@@KyrieChii The fact that she joined the military suggests to me she was fleeing an abusive relationship. Women in abusive relationships are especially vulnerable when pregnant, in the first year after, or when attempting to leave. Joining the military was probably the closest thing to witness protection she could come up with. If, as I suspect that was the case, it would make a compelling argument in court for granting shared custody -- which is what she was granted. That was probably less because the court thought Chad was a good person, and more because it would be extremely disruptive to a six year old suddenly not just have her mom in her life, but no dad. It sounds like the custody arrangement was changed over time, so the court was probably monitoring the families closely, and Chad may have been worried that he would lose his remaining share of custody (which may have been in part due to his wife's actions), and so he killed Ashley, much as she likely feared he would all those years prior.

[@ariell7325]

@Chloe KM exactly, my dad got custody of me from my mom. It doesn’t always go the moms way.

[@chloeevans1928]

Not only do you get a nasty prison sentence when you kill someone, but you also get a video of Mike focusing on your love of feces and other unsavory things lol. Forever. As long as the internet is around.

[@cleopatra1311]

😝😂😂😂😂

[@alfiona7951]

This video escalated quickly.

[@-danR]

People get various nicknames in prison. I can imagine what she gets for the rest of her life. And how she feels every time she has to take a dump. Or hear a toilet flush.

[@Trenchcoat3]

What the hell is wrong with that judge. Mother basically abandons the baby, dad is raising her for years, and then she just shows back up and is handed custody? I am so sick of hearing these absurdities.

[@brandihines7390]

Like clockwork.. Every Tuesday, I get off of work, get in my car and open youtube to find a new video from That Chapter and I listen to it all the way home..it's become one of my favorite days. I love you Mike and your channel, and thank you for all that you do. You're amazing💜

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

It’s like a mini celebration getting Tuesdays work over with 😍

[@jessicalynn6285]

@Shadow Of Wiggin Buy a radio transmitter for your car. It plugs into the cigarette outlet. You program it to match a specific radio station.. you pair your phone to this radio transmitter and then it plays the audio through your speakers. I did this when I had an older car that had no Bluetooth or any way to connect my phone. I always listened to KZbin with that thing. They really aren't that expensive either. You don't even have to plug your phone into it, but most of them do have this option so you can charge your phone too. At one time I had one that changed colors too, pretty cool.

[@barbaraseymour3437]

Brandi… So you’re watching while you drive? Hard to just ‘listen’.

[@michellelowe7082]

It amazes me how anyone who kills their ex that is the person they at one time loved enough to have children with doesn't ever stop and think what losing that parent will do to their children! They NEVER consider the children . So many selfish people 😒

[@MrsKhylaBaby]

Well to be fair , the kid didn't really know the mother that well.

[@stanparker9556]

There's far too many people having kids "accidentally" or just with someone who they're not really in love with or intend to be committed to for the long haul. It's among the root causes of a lot of the problems we have in our society

[@dinkledankle]

@@MrsKhylaBaby That's not fair at all. Not only is it a weak excuse for the trauma gained, but it could also imply Ashley wouldn't have been any better a mother than Erica.

[@dh1474]

If custody had stayed with the father, who had brought her up, she'd be alive today. Lessons to be learnt..

[@stanparker9556]

@@WarbandGames sad but true

[@jnieswartz4878]

I feel bad for grace. That little girl lost her mom then dad and was stuck with the evil stepmother. And why didn’t the blood grandmother get custody? I hope Ericka has a horrible life!

[@Adiscretefirm]

I would guess the court thought having her with her siblings was important after she lost her mother.

[@Johnieboi]

His mom is despicable. Keeping that recording for so long for blackmail.

[@djahant]

I lived in Akron for 10 years and left one year before this happened. I hate people. Why is murder the answer for people? The people who suffered the most is their child and the other children in that house. Really sad.

[@kayyylw]

I love how you always say “I love ya” at the end now. Quietly lol. He loves us.

[@hellostina]

“Voted one of the 100 safest cities…around the same time this website was created…” HELP! 😂 That Chapter is always the best part of the day 🥳

[@BJSabet]

Didn’t you mean week? 😉

[@hellostina]

@@BJSabet only if you watch just once a week. 😉

[@VanillaMacaron551]

the news tv reports on the town being so boring were delightful as well

[@officiallyexhausted5868]

Wow! I hope that child is healing. My step monster was just like hers with the exception of murder (that I know off). Despicable and disgusting human behaviors like this are absolute atrocities, especially when children are the victims.

[@kristah.3531]

I LOVE how you always cover cases that I've NEVER heard of. The same ones are on every true crime chennels..but not yours! We appreciate you so much Mike!!

[@cheh1311]

I find it special to see that the most horrific acts that people commit bring together a community of respectful people.

[@NKdidit]

True

[@freedragon3050]

I find it tragic that it takes such a drastic occurance to do it. It feels so disingenuous and hypocritical. When these types of things happen, it sincerely disgust me on a primordial level!

[@NKdidit]

@@freedragon3050 then that makes you a hypocrite. How many times has it taken a death to get a family all together at a funeral? We are all guilty of it so don't get too self righteous, you're just as guilty as the rest of us.

[@freedragon3050]

@@NKdidit no I'm not! I once was, but I'm too jaded, practical and self centered to bother with such things. I haven't attended a single family gathering, including funerals, Christmas or birthday in over twenty years! I have literally zero close friends and honestly don't miss companionship in the least. I go out of my way not to be beholden to anyone and to ensure nobody thinks for a second that they can count on me. The exception to this is of course my my wife, children and mother (my grandmothers too, before they past). I just can't be bothered to muster up all the energy it takes to act like I care about the same things everyone else does. And I wasn't trying to be self righteous. Just stating my feelings. Same as you. Sorry if I came off as judgemental or dismissive. I wish I could feel the same way you do. Truly. But I've honestly come to see it all as such a pointless exercise and waste of energy.

[@NKdidit]

@@freedragon3050 so you're bi polar? If you don't care then what was your 1st comment all about?

[@Mr.Seb0]

I know all the stories you make videos are sad but your presentatio is always uplifting and the way you judge the killers and insult them with smart words is funny. I love your videos.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

Exactly. Some channels make the killers out to be mysterious, cunning, geniuses but not here. He makes them out as the pathetic losers they actually are. ❤️🤟🏻

[@amistenson2535]

It always amazes me that these women will help men commit heinous acts against other women, BUT believe they would never harm them!

[@paigeharms1991]

I've heard this case before but never saw the crime scene photos. I used to work as a delivery driver for Domino's. I also put my stickers on my steering wheel. It gave me the worst chills. Rest in peace Ashley. I'm so sorry this happened to you...

[@travl.moore_777]

why the stickers on the steering wheel? are they delivery addresses?

[@paigeharms1991]

@@travl.moore_777yeah, it has the address, how many items are in each order, etc. I cannot remember for the life of me if it was required to keep them or not. I used to use them as a way to keep track of my tips. I would write down the tip amount from the order onto the sticker. That was my personal choice though.

[@travl.moore_777]

@@paigeharms1991 oh ok, I see. Thanks for informing me. TERRIBLE story!! I think it's so short sighted when a person kills their former partner/spouse they share a child or children with, leaving them with no parents. Dumbest, most selfish shit ever!

[@paulgtr3636]

I'm going to steal Erica's line from her sentencing hearing the next time I screw up. It's a great non-apology apology: "Hey, buddy, if it makes you feel better to think of me as the guy who borrowed your car and wrecked it, then I can accept that." "Mom and Dad, if it makes you feel better to think of me as the guy who flunked out of college, then I can accept that..."

[@reignman30]

Don't forget, "whatever doesn't kill me, better start running".

[@cleopatra1311]

Lol

[@Rain3z]

I’ve come across some comments throughout all your videos saying that you should lay off the cringy humor and stop with the Irish slang. Mike, don’t you dare!! That’s what makes your channel YOUR channel, that’s why we are all here! Your humor is anything but cringy and we love your Irish ways haha. Keep doin’ ya thing, Mikey! 💙

[@dank4662]

If I could like your comment 100 times I would. Mike knows the seriousness of these cases but makes it watchable so people don’t stay stuck into negative feelings all the time. These stories need to be told and I love his approach.

[@denaturner8871]

I just keep trying to figure out the "logic" that makes a person think, let alone publicly declare, something along the lines of: "Hey there, super successful KZbin guy, I think you could really go big places with this whole thing if you would just tweek a couple things. I suggest that you stop doing everything that makes you who you are. Stop displaying the personality traits that your viewers love. Finally, you should refrain from doing any and all actions that have built your success, so that maybe going forward you could become, you know... successful... just like the throngs of other blank, dull, mediocre, monotone and monotonous KZbin presenters that are fighting over the same scrap of failure."

[@liligh]

Sometimes it is. The pizza comment was cruel.

[@liligh]

@@denaturner8871 I think responses are focused on how it makes them feel. The goal is not the success of the youtuber. It is interesting, entertaining, but sometimes it’s cruel for the victims, and their close ones.

[@Ttcw89]

@@liligh oh Stoppit. Rip to them but this isn’t to make you depressed. He said nothing wrong nor was he making fun of the deceased. Some humor is fine. U wanna be depressed you’re on the wrong channel

[@MajesticGreen23]

I gotta say. Mike's intros are always so entertaining lol makes me ready to watch each video lol His narrative is awesome and doesn't ever bore me . Most channels talk and talk and I get so bored. But Mike keeps me drawn in and he is so far my favorite crime channel. I only go to different channels if he hasn't covered a case yet but once he does I watch that one too lol

[@10AntsTapDancing]

Love your sense of humour in these dark stories. Can't understand why Ashley got custody of the child after abandoning her for 6 years. That's messed up in terms of family court. I think the child should be the one to decide and in this case she wouldn't have even known who Ashley was.

[@joanbaczek2575]

Probably was indications of abuse even then

[@Kattquiz]

Ideally they take a lot of things into factor before deciding who the child officially lives with. Income, and living situation is a huge part, so with her being in the military and not having other children would play a factor. It was also stated in the news they split custody, so while she “lived with her mother” on paper, the child probably spent equal time with each parent. Not that this is by any means fair, I’ve seen a lot of situations in the Southern parts of the USA where females get precedence in custody battles over fathers unless they legally are proven incompetent.

[@SAOS451316]

unfortunately american courts favor mothers in custody cases because of the misogynist idea that women are nurturing and men aren't.

[@cmm3699]

Ashley did not abandon her child for 6 years, she was serving in the military during that time…

[@Mystagog]

In my experience as a courtroom stenographer, women tend to always get the benefit of the doubt in the courts. Even if you provide proof that the mother is abusive, either physically or psychologically. Even if the mother is proven to be incompetent, mentally ill or has an addiction, the courts usually do not want to separate the child from the mother.

[@tessyredding5422]

People are capable of such horror, that poor young lady. I can’t imagine the terror in the minutes it took for her to die with a zip tie around her neck, just an evil thing to do, absolutely evil

[@SamS-uv2ql]

Poor young lady who abandoned her kid and then took her from the parent she knew......

[@debrakaiser7700]

I can't imagine watching that.

[@cleopatra1311]

Yeah that was a horrible way to die! This is the first time I heard of someone getting zip tied around their neck like that

[@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494]

@@SamS-uv2ql Jesus, Sam. That hardly justifies her murder... in ANY fashion.

[@SamS-uv2ql]

@@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 No one said it did. She wasn't a poor lady though, she was not a nice character. I can understand why the father did it though, that isn't justifying it, just understand why some folk may think it is justified.

[@dragonmumm]

OMG, Mike makes me giggle and smile during most of his videos, and today’s “old video” was no exception. Who else could incorporate the humor of pizza and poop into a dark story of murder without being disrespectful? No one else could pull it off! He’s a master at his craft. 🍕💩😂

[@moni2624]

I agree 👍💯

[@JonesJincyG1979]

I know what you mean! But watch out deary, Mike is spoken for by me! Lol 😝

[@ty_-je8wf]

I thought this was his first video where some of the jokes seemed out of place. Love Mike tho!

[@kt5570]

Well said!

[@mikeymacuh33]

Maybe Stephen King? but that would be fiction. After all when it comes to death in the end what else can you do but laugh, the alternative is less healthy

[@shay4ojibwa638]

I just watched this a second time after 2 years. Back when you wore glasses and you played really good haunting music every now and then. I miss it.

[@frankzeppelin]

My first thought was how could Ashley get custody after just ghosting him like that and waltzing back into his life. After hearing the rest of this, the judge probably looked at Chad and Erica and knew what was up. That girl Grace has had a tough life but from the way she talks she sounds like a strong person. Hope she does okay.

[@Susie617]

I actually think that says a lot about his fitness as a parent. Especially with multiple domestic violence convictions.

[@Superman0885]

She didn’t just waltz out of her life. She left the child with Chad to join the Army. There’s far more to this story than anyone knows.

[@jimpatterson1111]

The way you said, “Yeah, but they could be number 100” was perfect. The statement in and of itself, but the lilt in your voice made it priceless.

[@xZOOMORPHICx]

Wow! I just sat down on the can. Great timing. Thanks, Mike.

[@oldenoneinMT]

🤣🤣🤣

[@quantumfield]

Thanks!

[@maighnimhainghail9026]

Mike, your sense of humour when relaying these cases, is everything.

[@thegreg79]

100%

[@Lola-AreaCode212]

He's a master at it.

[@deeppockets6161]

Tbh I think he should cut out the sarcasm and jokes. Would be a better watch.

[@halcyon2017]

@@deeppockets6161 The sarcasm and jokes are some of the reasons why I follow him. Some of these cases are absolutely horrifying, and I appreciate that Mike can take some of the "sting" out of them. He's a wonderful storyteller.

[@kaleidoscopekate7435]

Yeah, I love Mike. I don't really like these murder "stories" (not stories) yet I love the way he tells it.

[@doclewis8927]

Sometimes, no deal makes a criminal "more" believable. Besides, if we didn't take the word of criminals, then a lot of criminals would be walking around scot-free. Just because someone's a criminal doesn't mean he's (or she's ) a liar.

[@KaladinVegapunk]

Yeah definitely, I mean you're more inclined to assume they're capable of everything shady but they're also human, definitely has nothing to gain from it other than spite but that's a lot to risk perjury for Idk, I can see him taking the fall for her but..it's his ex, what does she have to gain haha

[@KaladinVegapunk]

I just feel so bad for Erica, she has to deal with hearing sirens and being worried, that's a lot, poor lady :/ That's way rougher than being murdered Freaking scumbag

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

Nope. It’s literally a gamble. If they dont take a deal, it’s because they’re betting the judge will give the shortest sentence. If they’re facing life in prison they might rather accept 25 years, or whatever. Or, they think the jury will find him guilty and also vote for the death penalty. If they take a deal, they know they’re screwed and will probably get life. Or that the jury will vote for the death penalty. In that case the deal is to accept life in prison to get out of death. There are so many different situations in taking a deal but absolutely none imply guilt or innocence. Maybe to the blathering media but never in court. Nobody is convicted because they "seem guilty." It’s about evidence and reasonable doubt. And those only.

[@chadcuckproducer1037]

Pleading "no contest" implies innocence from the guilty party.

[@pinkbombshellcasing2672]

I don’t think we should blindly jump on taking anyone’s word as truth in a criminal case, convicted criminal or not. I used to know a few people who went to prison, they were in for a variety of reasons, such as attempted murder, r*pe, assault, etc. Did they all play down their crimes or claim innocence? Yep. All of them. So take that as you will.

[@rebeccaxo1218]

*Always making morbid videos easier to watch! Thanks Mike!* 💖

[@Jezz_Mcfly]

Always greatly told stories & always 'darkly' humorous with the sarcasm 🙌✌

[@janiscrammond7046]

Once again a great video. Your hard work is so appreciated. Keep safe out there to all TC fans

[@clarissa8477]

I don’t see why Chad and his mom protected that woman for so long.

[@debrakaiser7700]

Because of the kids

[@whitedragoness23]

@@debrakaiser7700 most likely, and her son probably also asked her not to get involved. But I’m guessing, but after the police is interested then that’s the time to give up the evidence otherwise it could just sit there gathering dust

[@alyryan2832]

Karmas a bitch💯living 4yrs with that fear🚨moving on married more kids being free feeling like she got away with it then taking it all away👍well Karma always comes around one way or another✊

[@Enceladus...]

@@alyryan2832 For real, make it sweet before the sting, then the salt. Karma is a motherf*****

[@otischannel99]

@@whitedragoness23 ,

[@AlwaysGeeking]

Every time I deliver to a business at night which is usually during the time I deliver, I’m going to think of this, thanks mike😂

[@MXKID34]

The poo or the pizza

[@saintlynnie4037]

I do door dash and I often get worried, no matter what time of day or where I'm going, but I'm always armed and at night, I ride out with a buddy, just in case.

[@janethollman7894]

I absolutely love your narration on the crimes. It’s informative and includes enough to make your own judgements. Please continue Mike you are fantastic.

[@sims6762]

Love this having a binge watch 🌲 in a row so far 🖤💚💛

[@ThatChapter]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@sims6762]

@@ThatChapter Thank you for your great content 🥰

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

🌲 🌲 🌲

[@user-ys2yd6yd8d]

🤣🤣🤣💚

[@barbiecronje5306]

Only a true fan will understand the 🌳

[@coyotelady6132]

I have to admit, when Mike said "what's with her and poo"...I laughed embarrassingly loud.

[@cssimps]

Love you Mike.....I was wanting to hear "Let's give it a goooo"

[@misterpleasentbooks3393]

I don't think the father cared about getting out, he was pissed that the woman he trusted to take care of he daughter, the one he killed the mom for, was now abusing her. Also screw the judge and mom for taking away the daughter to begin with.

[@DanysDollHouse]

Honestly her messing w/ the childhood friend & being rude 2 the daughter is what sealed her fate he would've let her get away with it

[@darklessian]

He wanted her to 1) move on and 2) be a good mother to their kids. Marrying his best friend isn't really moving on, and abusive parenting isn't really being a good mother. I bet if she like moved states, actually started a new life, and parented their children with decency she'd still be on the outside.

[@moni2624]

Yeah me too

[@stacitowery4461]

Totally agree.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

Her marrying his best friend is what set him off. That long, flowing, blonde hair 😅

[@stacitowery4461]

@@amazingsupergirl7125 I’m pretty sure that the abuse of his daughter was the tipping point

[@jaclynperez2172]

You can tell how recent cases are by the amount of masks worn in public now 😭🤯

[@samanthalandry2296]

Every time I can’t find something decent to watch, I just search you up and try to find something I haven’t seen from you yet lol you’ve now risen to number one on my books!

[@evahanson7681]

I love a day off and a new That Chapter video. Thank you for your consistency, Mike. We love you!

[@rickmetzgar5363]

I like that Mike has added more subtle background music throughout to enhance his videos. Ol Mikey just gets better and better each week.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

Yeah I feel like this was the best one so far. Maybe it was the music but definitely the laughs too

[@GoldinDay-x50]

enjoyed the sound track at the end, sad soul chill.

[@brendamurdock380]

Mike , That chapter is the Best Ever. I love the way you narrate..

[@KnittinPixie]

I truly adore your content. The proper amount of levity given the difficult subject matter. I appreciate all the work you do and your content is impeccable! I often have you playing in the background while I work, and sometimes when I fall asleep. Bravo Sir, bravo.

[@frankmageean6027]

Anyone who could drop a coil on a murdered person's grave is a cold blooded psycho. Surely their death is enough no matter how much you hated them?

[@cleopatra1311]

I saw a horror movie where 3 people said some satanic chant and pissed on 3 graves. It didn't turn out well for them. It was a scary movie!

[@SirGeneralRandom]

What if its a convicted,fully confessed baby rapist/murderer or some mad stuff like that?

[@bartholomewesperanza3442]

@@cleopatra1311 no it wasn’t, it was a fun and lighthearted film

[@prophet_x3229]

@@cleopatra1311 I vaguely remember a movie like that, tales from the script or a jason flick??

[@annettedailey6743]

@@SirGeneralRandom why waste your time.. Something like that could end up in media.. Give the sick notoriety.. ID focus on contributing to the victims.. Just my opinion..😉

[@CrimeAllTheTime]

I have been refreshing non-stop waiting on you! You're my favorite KZbinr HANDS DOWN!

[@gypsynikki]

What judge would give the child to a stranger?! 🙄🤷🤔 She wasn't a part of Grace's life for her formative years!

[@mselizabeth2644]

Because Daddy-Chad committed DV?

[@jonnylumberjack6223]

Presumably they felt she was in a better position to provide a safe and loving home. And daddy was a woman beater, so there's that.

[@mister8765]

@@mselizabeth2644 that was after the child was given back though. So obviously Chad was damn pissed off. Not to excuse it though. But the court system made a shitty decision that started a horrible situation. Edit : still watching so maybe I should comment when I finish watching ha

[@Xontor23]

@@mselizabeth2644 What do you mean with DV?

[@jeanjennings5712]

@@Xontor23 domestic violence

[@janycebrown4071]

I can't believe it 😮 I have watched EVERY EPISODE of That Chapter! How did I miss this one! Let's give it a goo 😂