The Skip that RUINS Sonic Adventure Speedruns

[@niczur9708]

Awesome video, so now, lets get the tpss in a run i guess LOL

[@Jellyman4]

No way a world record maker gets just 317 subs,really show you how overlooked ppl are.

[@autosaver]

@@Jellyman4 He has no KZbin videos. People aren’t going to subscribe just because they exist.

[@Jellyman4]

@@autosaver As he does have yt videos on his channel, I know what you're saying, I was just making a brief statement of how underrated ppl can be

[@SavacGaming]

The sonic community is lucky to have someone that's documenting history as it happens

[@SPEEPSHighway]

I know what's happening with that Twinkle Park killplane, you're right about the player falling too fast for it to catch you. Kill planes trigger if the player's position is within 30 Y below the plane's invisible model. Usually this is good enough for the game because the player's fall speed is capped, but the cart's isn't - and that fall is long enough that by the time the player reaches the plane they're travelling just over 30 units downward per frame. The skip happens if they're close enough before hitting it that the next frame puts them outside its kill range. You can test it yourself by changing the kill range, the address it reads is 007DF1C8.

[@DawnSRC]

Great explanation! Also seems very consistent from what I’ve been told about the skip from people within the community so this is almost certainly it! I guess the testing then needs to be about what’s the fastest way to get to falling faster than 30 units as soon as possible and maybe they will be able to find a more consistent setup!

[@captainmidnightgaming]

Would it work similarly on DC?

[@DawnSRC]

So I haven't had the ability to actually test this myself but I have been told that the Killplane actually doesn't exist on Dreamcast so all you need to worry about is landing back on the track!

[@captainmidnightgaming]

@@DawnSRC Yet another reason Dreamcast is better than DX

[@SPEEPSHighway]

@@DawnSRC It's not.

[@smolimar3256]

This is awesome. When you mentioned going through a killplane I was like "oh, kind of like fast FR" and then you said that, so that was fun. I don't follow SADX much, but maybe I'll have to start following it more closely after this great introduction to the category.

[@DawnSRC]

Yeah Sonic Story runs are really cool! Hoping more people get into this game with viewership and runners. Definitely deserves it!

[@bsharpmajorscale]

I was thinking about SM64 BLJs, but that's more relevant. :P

[@betchaos7383]

“Twinkle park skip skip” Never change speedrunning community

[@DawnSRC]

This is how you know the SA2 and SADX communities are the same with CGSS and TPSS LOL

[@skylineSMURFgtr]

It’s so good seeing SADX getting the recognition it deserves. Really hoping to see more runners pick it up.

[@SisterRose]

It's wild seeing this stuff as the person who wrote the original Sonic Adventure glitch guide back in the day, which is sadly lost to time though I am mentioned in Rattleman's. I've often wondered if anything I discovered went on to be used by Speedrunners. I do remember getting that Ice cap key skip back in the day before it was officially discovered. Makes me wonder how many older games had glitches discovered that were lost to time.

[@skewbmaster7536]

This game, this video, this guy. All based and epic

[@baguettetheweirdguy2529]

Epic

[@boreal3255]

I wish they started a category for the Dreamcast conversion mod. I feel so bad for the speedrunners having to look at the ugly dx textures and lighting.

[@DawnSRC]

There actually is one on the Category Extensions board! Obviously not the main thing but it does exist at least.

[@souzooka7876]

Awesome video. While I can't be certain, your explanation that Sonic just never intercepts the kill plane on a given frame is a plausible and very likely explanation. It makes me wonder if there are potential skips involving going through multiple kill planes at once; while breaching the first kill plane is about a 8% chance, subsequent kill planes should be more likely to breach as Sonic's vertical momentum should continue to rise (unless you're already at terminal velocity when hitting the first kill plane?).

[@DawnSRC]

Yes for sure! I think originally people believed that TPSS was actually going through two killplanes but after looking at it when level editor it seemed to not be the case. I think (would need to double check) your idea of Sonic reaching max fall speed is actually true but I'm not absolutely certain.

[@JayDeeIsMyName]

Then I look over at Niczur, and... Well, he went sub-29. 28 is real!

[@tethys4777]

Dawn popping off, can't wait to see more

[@deathray252]

Exciting to see SADX in the position it’s gotten to this year! There was a nice explosion of activity around the tournament. So many new PBs from everyone, and some shockingly good performance from niczur from that time onward

[@DawnSRC]

Yeah its been really great to see the SADX community pop off so much lately! Really inspiring stuff!

[@renjigillihan1995]

Hope I'm here to see this channel grows so large, and then, a few years later, I will say "hey, I was one of the first thousand subscribers!" Keep it up

[@Noremarc]

For sure, the varied content of informative videos like this one and the fun ones like the ring challenge or super sonic video make this channel quite rewatchable as depending on the mood I'm in there's content for it

[@coldbeef5356]

your channel is so underrated it's insane :)) such great quality from such a small channel, I hope more people stick around

[@Choa]

Great video! TPSS looks insane! I had such a hard time learning the regular TPS lol

[@DawnSRC]

Yeah I still struggle with the normal one a lot too! Can't imagine throwing a killplane into the mix LOL

[@SleepyCustardPuff]

i am so glad that i found this channel! your narration is so concise and the video itself was really entertaining and very well edited! keep up the good work! you just got a new sub :)

[@DawnSRC]

thank you so much for the kind words! really means a lot!

[@SleepyCustardPuff]

@@DawnSRC ofc! cannot wait for your next video man, you are making some real good stuff :)

[@Liks_on_youtube]

0:35 Oh yeah ! Sonic Mega Collection menu's music !!!

[@gerp9870]

Another job well done! #F**KTwinklePark

[@thealphadolphin]

Amazing video

[@catcraze8673]

Adventure never gets old.

[@lemonadesnake]

The DC version? true, DX? not so much

[@RefragSR]

Epic video, Niczur for WR tomorrow :')

[@DawnSRC]

It’s time 🙏🏻

[@trapez77]

I wish more people would speedrun the original Dreamcast version

[@DawnSRC]

The Dreamcast version is cool! The only downside of it is cutscenes are unskippable, which kind of makes it unfortunate to not only view but also run as well... I do plan to run it in the near future though if you wanna check out my stream or stay posted on my youtube!

[@trapez77]

@@DawnSRC I thought you could skip the cutscenes after you beat the game one time but I could be wrong about that

[@ItsRJ_YT]

666 subs ooof scary

[@JonyPlayz1]

This is insane. And I tough I was good at speedrunning lol. There’s a lot to learn. New sub

[@DawnSRC]

That’s the coolest part about speedrunning imo, there is always something new to find/learn about!

[@JonyPlayz1]

@@DawnSRC Indeed

[@therealplush-hog]

You seem like you'd have more subscribers. You deserve more and I encourage making more great speedrun gamer content. I subbed.

[@dwaynetherockhardjohnson1712]

Really well done video! Keep up the good work!

[@DawnSRC]

Yo thank you Dwayne!

[@CherriFire]

Don 👁

[@DawnSRC]

Chery 👁

[@baggelissonic]

Actually, the idea of videos about history in the makng is really cool. Since it gives people the chance to see the wr run live, if they are intetested.

[@TonysGameLounge]

Dawn the Next Summoning Salt

[@outatime9449]

Amazing! Love seeing content about speedrunning, love how informative you are about everything and all, can't wait for more! Easy sub from me :)

[@pastanovadelight9169]

Sick video

[@viniciusjdasilva8555]

Let’s go didn’t know much about sonic games speedrun can’t wait for more

[@burgergud2804]

I just discovered u but I really enjoying ur content :) are u planning to keep uploading?

[@DawnSRC]

Yep! Have been still doing KZbin since this video and going to keep doing it for the foreseeable future.

[@dwaitley24]

Dawn with another BANGER video

[@bsharpmajorscale]

Too bad there's no Pedro spot where they could just build up enough speed. ;'D

[@Thatguy21-]

Just subbed your content looks good I’m gonna watch the SA2 video now

[@Theneptuno]

These speedrunning videos are too good!

[@deevoo121]

Got me excited to watch SADX runs 👀👀

[@Liks_on_youtube]

Really interesting video !

[@Sonicspeedruner]

Ayyyy Awesome video

[@destroyermcw626]

I always love the DX it just looks too cool

[@Dreamcasttime]

Guys, when you showed me Twinkle Park Skip Skip, i instantly Reconised it! I made the diskovery in the Dreamcast version, and showed it to one of my friends, who had DX port of the game. Skip is pretty simple, and really useful, as this is the tool to use in A-rank Twinkle Park easily. If someone is really interested, to pull the skip you need to speed up at 3 boost pannels before the place of the skip, don't bump or destroy any cars go forward at full speed without hesatation and then hold forward onto the controller. This is pretty simple onto the Dreamcast, but you need to have FULL SPEED, if don't, than it is over

[@Emerldd]

Hey bro great video bro. What songs did you use bro? Can you link them bro? Haha thanks bro you’re so dope bro

[@DawnSRC]

Oh hey bro :) got you a link right here dude :) tinyurl.com/SETPMusic

[@frontiersmodel4781]

That's why sa1 is a masterpiece, the level design and how rewards you if you manipulate them.

[@lemonadesnake]

A lot of these exploits are unintentional skips made possible by the glitchy port, as there used to be a couple of areas with invisible walls like Speed Highway and trying to skip to the first rocket.

[@frontiersmodel4781]

@@lemonadesnake yhea, DX didn't improve anything, it was a bad try. The developers were really uninspired.

[@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial]

Your channel will blow up brother

[@T_chOnYT]

You're way too underrated imo

[@speckwii]

Pretty good, can’t beat Niczur.

[@Swordkiller55623]

To anyone that watched Dawn's video (Coolio video btw!) and is still confused by the insanity of TPSS, here's another way to look at it. With regular TPS, you have to make sure to get a certain amount of speed. Which means that you have to manage a few things: rings since the car's acceleration ties to that up to 99 rings, the car that you choose which all have different stats for, and where you are on the ledge that you jump down from to get to the lower area. All three of those aspects are needed to land the skip and not fling off to the void below. Now imagine doing THAT but adding an instant kill killplane to the mix that you are PRAYING that Sonic gets past in a category where one little mistake can easily cost a run.

[@ReavenZero]

Great video, subbed.

[@shovelclaws]

awesome video dawn!

[@Raviolling]

I'm pretty sure that you're telling me that most people for tails have story don't just jump down to the next rail in windy valley

[@Maple.]

how do you only have 594 subs

[@neoqwerty]

Woahhhh, wait wait wait wait. Okay, so. I THINK that some of the info the speedrunners are looking for might have been found WAY WAY BACK (I'm talking far, FAR back, like in 2006-2007 or something, earliest youtube era) when people were taking unintended characters into other characters' stages and trying to complete the levels. I remember that the way to get Tails, E-103 and Knuckles through the entirety of the cart section of Sonic's Twinkle Park needed to keep them out of bounds carefully from start to finish (the loading trigger for the next section was past a point that would softlock if you jumped down into it, but worked if you glided into it from outside the level). I don't know if there's any of the OG level breakers' videos still buried around in youtube, but if there are, they'd be named things like "Tails in Sonic's Twinkle Park" and stuff like that, and they were pretty much entirely for the original Dreamcast version.

[@hibnotix]

MUM! I'M IN THE VIDEO. This is cracked dawn. Keep up the awesome work

[@tntsonic7482]

Ive always wanted to get into sa1 speedruning since its my favorite game.

[@DawnSRC]

It’s a really fun game to get into! Would recommend joining the Speedrun Discord community for the game if you want some cool learning resources!

[@tntsonic7482]

@@DawnSRC Yo really? Thats cool!

[@lemonadesnake]

What version of the game are you planning on doing? SADX is better for glitch runs but it looks uglier than the original.

[@tntsonic7482]

I wanna learn to do the og version (since I love using dreamcast conversion) but Im not opposed to sadx.

[@DawnSRC]

@@tntsonic7482 they actually do have a speedrun category with the dreamcast conversion mod which is really cool! Best of both worlds imo.

[@Bigheaderisnotsus]

skips are everywhere in speedruns

[@Shinx7009]

This video is literally the to be continued screen on Jojo

[@atheistgaming421]

Ok but what about SA1, i'd honestly wanna see a speedrun of the more polished version of the game

[@DawnSRC]

I actually got a Dreamcast recently so that will be on my stream in the near future

[@Loomeh]

pray to the banana god and it might happen :)

[@sushii00]

Heros Speedrun when?

[@lemonadesnake]

The only good thing about SADX is that the glitches the port introduced makes it easier to speedrun than the Dreamcast version. Everything else is just bad

[@DawnSRC]

Funny enough there are actually a ton of glitches on both versions and they are interestingly in quite different spots. For Example, TPSS is actually much easier in Dreamcast because the Killplane just isn't there!

[@fromthegamethrone]

Great video! Genuinely enjoyed. However, 1/12 is not a definitive chance - you could quite easily do 12 runs and not get the skip. It's totally possible to roll hundreds of 12 sided die and never get a 1 - but of course, the more dice you roll the more likely you are.

[@DawnSRC]

Oh yeah 100% which is what makes this even worse in all actuality. Some days you could get it 3 times and others none even if you take a ton of runs there. I think it's a big reason people haven't been going for it more.

[@fromthegamethrone]

@@DawnSRC definitely, could go all day and not hit it once. Then hit it but quit out of muscle memory 😂

[@matthewcabagelover9993]

MY MANS GRAPH SAID 1%

[@DawnSRC]

I know like come on 🤣🤣

[@MeltraNS]

Niczur

[@ASINISTERTACO]

this is epic

[@DawnSRC]

nah you epic

[@psyxypher3881]

I love Sonic speedruns, but I don't get why they count time spent in the field as part of the run...Well, maybe a little. I wish more Speedruns would go by Sonic rules and not count time in cutscenes and such, since I think it'd actually make speedruns flow better visually.

[@DawnSRC]

Sonic Adventure 2 Speedruns actually do what you mention here! I think the big reason why they do count time spent in the field in SADX is because there are a bunch of different routing options/techniques to explore. Like Ice Key Skip for example is never found if there is no need for it, I think there is a world for both to exist but the skill in Hub world movement is also very admirable imo.

[@ClawStunting]

Pls make a video like this for sonic adventure 2

[@DawnSRC]

well good thing for you I actually have one :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDZY6isd91macU here's the link if you don't feel like searching, also! more to come in the future from sa2!

[@ClawStunting]

@@DawnSRC lmaooo i just watched this one😂 I subscribed man cant wait for more to come! :)

[@marlosuper]

ayo nice video i am officially the 991st subscriber

[@tomxd5840]

🥶🥶🥶🥶

[@itstakku6178]

is your name a kingdom hearts reference???

[@DawnSRC]

Why yes it is! It’s a mix of Riku’s quote from the end of CoM and mostly from his keyblade!

[@itstakku6178]

@@DawnSRC Love to see KH fans I still didn't reach to kh3 (I'm trying to get the final story in birth by sleep) and tbh i just watched the CoM I want to go back and finish it

[@BakedBanana]

oh?

[@jeremymarcil6287]

Na. A discovery of credit warp in the first level would change it

[@markrichardson7192]

It's not a stupid dumb videogame 😑