The Slightly Spooky Recamán Sequence - Numberphile

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@sunburntsatan6475
@sunburntsatan6475 6 жыл бұрын
"Can you show me an interesting sequence?" "Sure, I can Recamán-d you one"
@kirbesh7962
@kirbesh7962 5 жыл бұрын
I love this so much, probably more than I should
@Invalid571
@Invalid571 5 жыл бұрын
irock123432 1 That was brilliant, you should be proud. 😂
@aromeran
@aromeran 5 жыл бұрын
100% Recamán-dable
@badasunicorn6870
@badasunicorn6870 5 жыл бұрын
Praised be the punhnster
@magnuminfinitum8453
@magnuminfinitum8453 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks I hate it
@HanBurritoz
@HanBurritoz 6 жыл бұрын
Schönberg: "In our tone-row, we use all 12 notes in an octave before repeating a note" Recamán: "Hold my beer"
@worldnotworld
@worldnotworld 4 жыл бұрын
Now there's a topic: what's the relationship between this series and the 12-tone row?
@santeri2790
@santeri2790 4 жыл бұрын
worldnotworld neither has a tonal center and both are by their nature chromatic, so the sound is somewhat similar to our ears - our ears are attuned to hearing tonal music so a lack of tonality becomes a defining characteristic for these kinds of sequences. Both sequences also have their inner logics which are nevertheless difficult to predict as youre listening, i suppose
@firefist3684
@firefist3684 6 жыл бұрын
the 99735th term of the recaman sequence is 19
@chrimony
@chrimony 6 жыл бұрын
@ateb3: It's surprising that it takes that long to return to such a low number.
@firefist3684
@firefist3684 6 жыл бұрын
ateb3 Alex said that it is assumed that the sequence will go through every number. So I wanted to see for myself if the sequence contains all numbers between 0 and 100 inclusive. After the 404th term there are only three missing 19, 61, 76. When I found that it took until term 99735 to hit one of the missing numbers I thought it would be worth mentioning. If the missed numbers are smaller than the jump size then the only way for the sequence to hit these numbers is if the current number on the number line is just a little bigger than the jump size. Having a small gap between current number and jump size occurs several times on the way to 19. It isn't obvious at all when exactly one of the missing numbers will finally be included if at all. The 181654th term of the sequence is 61 and the 181644th term of the sequence is 76.
@scotthammond3230
@scotthammond3230 6 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if there were any unusual hold outs. I wish they talked more about the meaning of the sequence, even if it is only abstract at this point.
@user-sc6mf9wj1f
@user-sc6mf9wj1f 6 жыл бұрын
ateb3 If you're unamazed by something, you don't have to say it out loud, and if you want to, at least don't say it in such a rude manner.
@secularmonk5176
@secularmonk5176 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the more detailed follow up, fire fist. What IS surprising is how quickly the last two integers are cleaned up ... only 10 iterations apart, after nearly 200,000 iterations.
@Intrafacial86
@Intrafacial86 4 жыл бұрын
Slightly Spooky Sequences Send shivers down your spine
@mdashrafulahmed2820
@mdashrafulahmed2820 3 жыл бұрын
Wow
@maximilianbur2560
@maximilianbur2560 3 жыл бұрын
geez I love that song
@_fedmar_
@_fedmar_ 3 жыл бұрын
Semicircles shock your soul And seal your number line
@maximumdosage
@maximumdosage 3 жыл бұрын
@@_fedmar_ underrated comment
@_fedmar_
@_fedmar_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@maximumdosage Why thank you
@PasqualItizzz
@PasqualItizzz 6 жыл бұрын
This is Earth Radio. And now, here's... human music.
@omp199
@omp199 6 жыл бұрын
Hmm. Human music. I like it!
@medexamtoolsdotcom
@medexamtoolsdotcom 5 жыл бұрын
Is that a reference to something? Like was that a joke in Futurama?
@xenontesla122
@xenontesla122 5 жыл бұрын
Rick and Morty, I think. Futurama's a close guess.
@omp199
@omp199 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's from the fourth episode of the first series of "Rick and Morty". The episode is titled, "M. Night Shaym-Aliens!"
@michaelbrantley6039
@michaelbrantley6039 5 жыл бұрын
Rick and morty when Jerry's in the interstellar daycare for Jerry's from every universe.
@ceegers
@ceegers 6 жыл бұрын
Seems like a decent idea for a numberphile t-shirt design...
@dragoncurveenthusiast
@dragoncurveenthusiast 6 жыл бұрын
Or earrings! I'm already thinking about how I could make some for myself.
@dustinwrye
@dustinwrye 6 жыл бұрын
I was thinking tattoo.
@LaynieFingers
@LaynieFingers 5 жыл бұрын
@@dragoncurveenthusiast 3d printing?
@OddBunsen
@OddBunsen 4 жыл бұрын
Dragon Curve Enthusiast you could do a logarithmic version of this so you could fit more on an earring.
@playerscience
@playerscience 2 жыл бұрын
You can make that using quilling paper, only if you are skilled.
@OrangeC7
@OrangeC7 5 жыл бұрын
"What do you want to be when you grow up" "I want to be a colourist that features on Numberphile"
@BunniBuu
@BunniBuu 6 жыл бұрын
The only reason is sounds "Spooky" is because of the arbitrary choice of using the chromatic scale. If you used a different scale, say a pentatonic, then it would sound completely different :P
@frederf3227
@frederf3227 6 жыл бұрын
A lot of the character is from the limitation of 72 notes, the 73rd being the first again.
@BunniBuu
@BunniBuu 6 жыл бұрын
it would be interesting if you did like a 12 note limitation, making a sort of 12-tone row but with some infrequent repetition
@lightlysalted7790
@lightlysalted7790 6 жыл бұрын
BunniBuu I have absolutely no idea what just came out of your text box
@BunniBuu
@BunniBuu 6 жыл бұрын
Music theory jargon, don't worry about it :P
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 6 жыл бұрын
I think Alex was a bit confused about the musical implementation. He seemed to bounce between a regular (major) scale, with 7 notes per octave, and a chromatic scale, with 12 notes per octave. And when he showed sound examples, all of them used the chromatic scale. If you use a standard piano for these, the major scale, starting with 0=A₀ (lowest note on the piano), will end at B₇=50, because the next note in the A major scale is C₈#, 1 semitone above the top note on the piano. (BTW, middle C is C₄ and each numbered octave starts with C and goes up to B.) If you use a chromatic scale,, starting with 0=A₀ , the highest you can go will be C₈=87. Incidentally, if you do this on a Bösendorfer Imperial Grande, you have 97 keys to use, starting with C₀ and ending with the same C₈ as before. Then using a major scale, it would be a C scale, with C₀=0 and C₈=56. Using a chromatic scale, you'd go from C₀=0 to C₈=96. I'm mystified where he got 72 from; it doesn't follow from anything he said. Unless you accept his contention that you're limited to 6 octaves; but you're not. Fred
@RPDekka
@RPDekka 6 жыл бұрын
He connected the points with Parker semi circles
@cooldudeachyut
@cooldudeachyut 6 жыл бұрын
Glad this meme is still alive.
@johanfriedel3458
@johanfriedel3458 6 жыл бұрын
Whole thing looks kinda like a Parker sine wave
@omp199
@omp199 6 жыл бұрын
Google says, "No results found for 'Parker semi-circles'." :(
@secularmonk5176
@secularmonk5176 6 жыл бұрын
A "Parker ____" is a solution to a difficult task that is declared accomplished by ignoring one of the rules for accomplishing the task. In other words, a half-assed effort that provokes unwarranted satisfaction ... and spawns memes.
@omp199
@omp199 6 жыл бұрын
Oh! That is funny. Thank you for explaining that. :)
@KinemaReviews
@KinemaReviews 4 жыл бұрын
The guy who invented the Recaman sequence is my math teacher
@maggi_knorr
@maggi_knorr 4 жыл бұрын
I met him in real person. He is a wonderful professor. :3
@ferrismesser
@ferrismesser 4 жыл бұрын
What’s his name?
@39santia
@39santia 4 жыл бұрын
@@ferrismesser Bernardo Recamán
@the_multus
@the_multus 4 жыл бұрын
bonxbonx r/whooosh
@the_multus
@the_multus 3 жыл бұрын
LoDefGaming Well, yeah, but the name of inventor of the Recaman sequence is quite obvious because of the "Recaman" part
@GenericInternetter
@GenericInternetter 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine if they chose keys in a musical key instead of just the notes. It would probably sound like some kind of crazy house music.
@TheRedfire21
@TheRedfire21 6 жыл бұрын
It ends at 91 in the book
@numberphile
@numberphile 6 жыл бұрын
First correct answer I saw... DM me your address if you want a book! :)
@chocoblocko9cb991
@chocoblocko9cb991 6 жыл бұрын
Sebastian Cor gg
@blaiseboissonneau9493
@blaiseboissonneau9493 6 жыл бұрын
No I was too late :'(
@TheRedfire21
@TheRedfire21 6 жыл бұрын
I sent you a message I think, could you check?
@trobolina2
@trobolina2 6 жыл бұрын
I was second, sad life
@heyandy889
@heyandy889 6 жыл бұрын
Brady it's taken the better part of two years, but you have convinced me to seriously consider subscribing the Brilliant. ha ha. Thanks for the marvelous content over the years mate.
@numberphile
@numberphile 6 жыл бұрын
They’ve got some great stuff on there. Fiendish and fun. And they are a great supporter of Numberphile too.
@maxnullifidian
@maxnullifidian 6 жыл бұрын
I'd never heard of this sequence before, it's pretty neat! I like the audio version a lot.
@enolastraight577
@enolastraight577 4 жыл бұрын
Every one of these "spirals" has a number at the center. Do these numerical values have any particular importance?
@masongiacchetti5478
@masongiacchetti5478 4 жыл бұрын
enolastraight these numbers at the center of said “spirals” are the actual numbers in the sequence if you were to represent this sequence using the actual numerical values of each term. The spirals are simply a visual aid to demonstrate the jump from each term. It just so happens that the spirals form a nice visual which is why that is how it is shown here, but the center points for the spirals are the actual terms in the sequence.
@spiritbond8
@spiritbond8 4 жыл бұрын
@@masongiacchetti5478 ugh no, most numbers are on the outskirts of the spirals, where the spirals intersect with the number line. He means the sequence of numbers *literally* at the centre of each spiral i.e. the centre of each back-forth oscillation
@felixmerz6229
@felixmerz6229 2 жыл бұрын
Only odd jumps have a center. How do we handle the cases on even jumps? Do we even consider half circles to be sufficient in defining one of your numbers or would be look for the very special cases of, say, a number in the center of two consecutive odd jumps that form an (almost) closed circle? I'm interested in your question as well. Also, if we can find a clean definition, we have another integer sequence to be considered for the OEIS, which would be lovely.
@Anonymous-df8it
@Anonymous-df8it 2 жыл бұрын
@@felixmerz6229 Allow non-integer centres!
@Rubrickety
@Rubrickety 3 жыл бұрын
I happened to be re-watching this, and only just now noticed the Fig Newtons + Leibniz cookies on the shelf. That's wonderful.
@presto709
@presto709 4 жыл бұрын
If you can't go forward you go back but what if you can't go back or forward? I'm assuming this never happens but has this been proven?
@presto709
@presto709 4 жыл бұрын
@@bepamungkas Thank you.
@leedogification
@leedogification 4 жыл бұрын
What isn't explicitly mentioned here is that even though you can't jump backwards to a number that has been used, you CAN jump forwards to a number that has been used. This seems like a very convenient rule put in place just to make a nice pattern, else it would end pretty quickly (on the 24th jump, I believe). Whether all numbers are accounted for is still waiting to be proven, but the pattern will go on forever.
@39santia
@39santia 4 жыл бұрын
I am glad to say that Bernardo Recaman is my teacher right now! Awasome person he is. Proud of him and everything he has achieved
@hypebreaker108
@hypebreaker108 4 жыл бұрын
This is by far the most interesting KZbin channel I'm subscribed to
@donniecarlson9677
@donniecarlson9677 6 жыл бұрын
this video was amazing. reminds me of why i first started following number-file. Short, sweet, spectacular.
@RafaelBarrientos
@RafaelBarrientos 6 жыл бұрын
Que bueno es escuchar de nuevo sobre matematicas colombianas en este canal!!!! De verdad que me emociona y llena de orgullo 🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴
@jaredshepard8581
@jaredshepard8581 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorites so far. Incredible content here.
@nymalous3428
@nymalous3428 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I really enjoyed it! I've always been fascinated by the effect that music has on psychology, and this ties math into it!
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 6 жыл бұрын
How have I never heard of this?! This is amazing! 😍
@AgglomeratiProduzioni
@AgglomeratiProduzioni 6 жыл бұрын
You know that's Gallifreyan.
@latefoolstalk676
@latefoolstalk676 6 жыл бұрын
Ruben 😂😂
@agioiutdrdgfyfyfhgky
@agioiutdrdgfyfyfhgky 6 жыл бұрын
Ruben new head cannon: the language of gallifreyan is actually derived from this or a very similar but more elegant sequence.
@sertaki
@sertaki 6 жыл бұрын
I love this.
@15schaa
@15schaa 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought, bro.
@iblesstherains
@iblesstherains 5 жыл бұрын
Ruben it says, “ *S P O O K Y S C A R Y S K E L E T O N S* “
@chizchizchiz
@chizchizchiz 5 жыл бұрын
(This might be clear to some, but in case anyone was wondering, “twiddle” is because we identified some octaves. The difference in notes would get bigger and bigger forever if we allowed arbitrary pitches, but when the notes were several octaves and a half step apart, it was played as a half step apart)
@roderickwhitehead
@roderickwhitehead 6 жыл бұрын
Visually, I would like to see the semicircles replaced with spirals so that at the intersections with the number line the radius of the spiral coming in is equal to the radius of the departing spiral.
@abdulmuhaimin9780
@abdulmuhaimin9780 6 жыл бұрын
What if we mod 12 or mod 7 or mod 5 and then play it? Might sounds nicer
@JorgetePanete
@JorgetePanete 5 жыл бұрын
Abdul Muhaimin sound*
@equesdeventusoccasus
@equesdeventusoccasus 6 жыл бұрын
It appears very similar to a lense flare. As a matter of opinion, I cannot think of anything but lense flare when I see it.
@scotthammond3230
@scotthammond3230 6 жыл бұрын
Thats interesting, thanks. Wonder if it has some kind of antenna application as well.
@Leonardo-G
@Leonardo-G 5 жыл бұрын
Hmmm.....
@Fogmeister
@Fogmeister 5 жыл бұрын
*lens
@AssistantCoreAQI
@AssistantCoreAQI 4 жыл бұрын
@@scotthammond3230 We Are Now Experimenting With Said Antenna Design On The "Grand Sakura" Array!
@tomtrask_YT
@tomtrask_YT 6 жыл бұрын
Most numberphile videos delight but this was exceptional. Wow!
@RubikSolver64
@RubikSolver64 6 жыл бұрын
It actually doesn't take any screen shots to solve where it ended. While following the numbers at the beginning of the video, the last iteration was subtracting 46. Also, because the 38 - 65th iterations are in the same circle, all you have to do is add up the number of iterations left and add to that value. So at the 45th iteration (adding 45), we ended at 81. We need to add one for every time we pass the 47th, 49th, 51st, 53rd, 55th, 57th, 59th, 61st, 63rd, and 65th iteration. And because the 66th iteration is off the page, this was the perfect place to stop. But adding 10 iterations to the number would leave the 65th iteration (adding 65) to be at 91 and cause the 66th iteration to not be possible going backwards, since we used 25 as the 17th number in the squence (18th if you count 0), and cause the 66th iteration to jump forward, off the page, to 157.
@hanniffydinn6019
@hanniffydinn6019 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I now have my new CROP CIRCLE pattern ! 👍👍👍👏👏👏
@ShinySwalot
@ShinySwalot 6 жыл бұрын
Yay another colouring section by Tiff, love those!
@witherblaze
@witherblaze 4 жыл бұрын
I used the same rules and wrote a program to do it. After checking my math, I did end up going forwards to hit the same number twice.
@gustavgnoettgen
@gustavgnoettgen 4 жыл бұрын
This again reminds me of how values of atoms get increase along the periodic table: weird new systems go on for a while, get replaced by others, some long and others short... I saw something similar in that other episode about "turtles and roses" on polygons.
@MisterAppleEsq
@MisterAppleEsq 6 жыл бұрын
The audio version sounds like something J.S. Bach would have written if he was a 20th century atonal composer.
@silas123781
@silas123781 6 жыл бұрын
All that Contrary motion 😍
@TheAlps36
@TheAlps36 6 жыл бұрын
I'd call it 'snakes and ladders'
@FloridaManMatty
@FloridaManMatty 6 жыл бұрын
Look up Conlon Nancarrow player piano studies here on YT. Lots of atonal piano pieces that are impossible for humans to play at tempo. Incredible stuff.
@tofast4ya
@tofast4ya 6 жыл бұрын
imagine that sequence in a microtonal scale
@MisterAppleEsq
@MisterAppleEsq 6 жыл бұрын
+toofast4ya And now I really want this to happen.
@undeadp0wer390
@undeadp0wer390 6 жыл бұрын
Just when it thought I would never need Spanish again after finishing the last Spanish GCSE exam earlier today... Then this video...
@Sachica00
@Sachica00 6 жыл бұрын
¿Pero qué estás diciendo?, si el español es un idioma tan fácil. Saludos.
@undeadp0wer390
@undeadp0wer390 6 жыл бұрын
Jeisson Sáchica I only understand half of that...
@howardatkinson9789
@howardatkinson9789 6 жыл бұрын
Same. 😆
@marcuspeixoto4871
@marcuspeixoto4871 5 жыл бұрын
"But what are you saying, if Spanish is such an easy language? Greetings"
@marcuspeixoto4871
@marcuspeixoto4871 5 жыл бұрын
Something along those lines
@milliern
@milliern 5 жыл бұрын
So amazing. Fascinating pattern, but that's a gorgeous pattern!!!
@RJiwatram
@RJiwatram 5 жыл бұрын
This made me think of Langton’s ant, how two simple rules on a grid at first creates what looks like chaos but always at some point it creates a diagonal highway that stretches on for ever.
@MiskyWilkshake
@MiskyWilkshake 6 жыл бұрын
6 octaves equals 48 semitones now? Tsk. Tricked by the name. That should be 72, surely?
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 6 жыл бұрын
Yes; 73 if you include both endpoints. If you use a standard scale instead of a chromatic one, 6 octaves will have 6·7+1 = 43 notes, with both endpoints included. But with an 88-key piano in front of you, why on Earth would you limit this to 6 octaves?? Fred
@MiskyWilkshake
@MiskyWilkshake 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, it's arbitrary either way. Why 6 octaves? Why 12TET? Why chromatic? In the end, I figure that representing an integer sequence aurally is simply meant to give an impression of it's orderliness, and I'm sure that the representation they give it does that pretty well.
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 5 жыл бұрын
+ MiskyWilkshake: "I mean, it's arbitrary either way." Well, no, not entirely. There *are* some ways to decide these things. 1. Human hearing is limited to 10 octaves (20 Hz - 20 kHz); many can hear only 9 or even 8. A standard acoustic piano has 7¼, so that's a reasonable limit to set. Plus, pianos are pretty widely accessible to lots of people, so they can play around with it. 2. In the western world at least, everyone is pretty familiar with the semitone (= 1/12 octave) as the smallest practical musical interval. I think that some microtonal division could work for this, but you can't go too much smaller than a semitone, or most people won't be able to distinguish such slight variations in pitch. 3. All in all, what you want to aim for is the largest collection of different pitches that satisfy those two constraints. Given these considerations, I'd say use a chromatic scale, running 8 octaves, from 27.5 Hz (A₀, the lowest note on a piano) to 7040 Hz (A₈); even though that's almost an octave above the highest note on a piano. That's 97 separate pitches. Or just limit it to the piano; 27.5 Hz (A₀) to 4190 Hz (C₈). Fred
@a2z1123
@a2z1123 6 жыл бұрын
Let’s see it in 3 dimension now
@briandiehl9257
@briandiehl9257 6 жыл бұрын
How would you put it in 3D?
@a2z1123
@a2z1123 6 жыл бұрын
it would be spheres
@briandiehl9257
@briandiehl9257 6 жыл бұрын
But you would only be able to see the outside sphere.
@flerfbuster7993
@flerfbuster7993 6 жыл бұрын
Well, not if you're a transdimensional being with 4d eyes
@alveolate
@alveolate 6 жыл бұрын
oh i thought you meant increase the number of axes for the semicircles to wrap around in... sort of like rotate 90deg per turn instead of 180deg?
@nO_d3N1AL
@nO_d3N1AL 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing how such simple rules can produce complex patterns
@nikbl4k
@nikbl4k 4 жыл бұрын
At the end there, to me it looked like a sound profile or speaker illustration. Like how someone would illustrate sound waves emanating outward and in a specific bubbly region or whatever.
@ArLeS9091
@ArLeS9091 4 жыл бұрын
You should listen to Ligeti's etudes and musica ricercata: they are based on similar concepts
@infintiyward
@infintiyward 6 жыл бұрын
It really does sound horrific. But the description of a clash between order and chaos makes perfect sense. That's exactly what makes something uncanny, it resembles something normal, but there is something aberrant about it. If it was perfectly chaotic we'd hear white noise, if it was perfectly ordered we'd hear music. (pleasing music)
@timh.6872
@timh.6872 6 жыл бұрын
infintiyward I think the main reason it sounds so horror-like is that they used a chromatic scale. Had they used a diatonic one, it would have sounded much better.
@infintiyward
@infintiyward 6 жыл бұрын
@Tim H. True, that's part of it, but a chromatic scale alone doesn't have that much turmoil. Those aberrant notes would make pleasant intervals sound unsettling too.
@infintiyward
@infintiyward 6 жыл бұрын
Depends on how much input, if you allow a random amount of frequencies to play at random intervals I imagine you'd have something like white noise. How do you decide the range of that random amount?
@infintiyward
@infintiyward 6 жыл бұрын
TootTootMcbumbersnazzle Yesssss yes. Of course, I must have forgotten to drink my coffee today.
@josephgroves3176
@josephgroves3176 6 жыл бұрын
Perfectly ordered would be boring. The great composers and artists knew when and which rules to break
@naota3k
@naota3k 6 жыл бұрын
One of the most beautiful Numberphile videos. I think Grey would like this. :3
@afourthfool
@afourthfool 6 жыл бұрын
This makes the number line feel like an orbit looked at straight on that includes the observer as a value on the line with zero being antipodal to the observer and all the other circles being orbits you would have to walk into to approach the center.
@vtron9832
@vtron9832 6 жыл бұрын
I was drunk on chocolate ice cream before i watched this video and understanding the sequence made me laugh a lot, I do not know why
@5000marios
@5000marios 6 жыл бұрын
I believe the number the sequence "ends" in this video is 91, the 66th number of the sequence with the previous number being 26 and the next being 157.
@christophersavarese7356
@christophersavarese7356 5 жыл бұрын
I liked the music version, it reminds me of the songs I've played on my piano. The Renaman sequence looks and sounds musical.
@Hexx117
@Hexx117 6 жыл бұрын
Please make a shirt of this. It's so beautiful. Wow. I want a gold foil version of the visualisation
@rentzepopoulos
@rentzepopoulos 6 жыл бұрын
You'd expect that small numbers would be completed rather quickly, but 4 is filled after 131 steps, and 19 is filled only after 99734. Brilliant! (no pun intended)
@nuberiffic
@nuberiffic 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think you know what a pun is lol
@lorenzomanzoni1478
@lorenzomanzoni1478 5 жыл бұрын
what's the pun?
@rigby3659
@rigby3659 6 жыл бұрын
yo this is so cool I wanna hear 10 mins of that (maybe there r repeats thatd be cool)
@aadits5624
@aadits5624 6 жыл бұрын
Rigby Go to the website in the description :)
@rigby3659
@rigby3659 6 жыл бұрын
Specler X oh sick tysm
@THAdeeHARMONY
@THAdeeHARMONY 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like the Gallifreyan writing in Dr Who. Also, he may have been talking about Kandinsky when he was talking about artists doing circles, in case you were wondering.
@fireballninja01
@fireballninja01 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen the coloring book that has this! that's so cool, now i feel bad for not picking it up when I had the chance
@OlbaidFractalium
@OlbaidFractalium 6 жыл бұрын
God of mathematics seems to be good at dwawing but seems to be poor at composing.
@AnastasisGrammenos
@AnastasisGrammenos 6 жыл бұрын
They are just playing the notes in sequence, In order to make music you have to introduce timing to the mix. You can do pretty amazing stuff using like the digits of pi for the notes and the digits on e for the intervals between them
@user-sh6wr7dq6k
@user-sh6wr7dq6k 6 жыл бұрын
Olbaid Fractalium in the fundament of the music lying the physic of waves, the fundament of physics is mathematic. LOL
@isaacdarche7103
@isaacdarche7103 6 жыл бұрын
it only sounds bad because you are used to listening to music that sounds like 123412341234123412341234 123412341234123412341234 etc
@alecchapman7976
@alecchapman7976 6 жыл бұрын
Olbaid Fractalium mathematically spaced chords sound gross too
@maxkolbl1527
@maxkolbl1527 6 жыл бұрын
Idk I kinda liked it!
@stulora3172
@stulora3172 5 жыл бұрын
The first number to be repeated is 42. O_o The 42th number is 79, which is the fourth number to be repeated. The 79th number is 153 and the 5th number to be repeated. The pattern does not persist afterwards. And I had to start counting at 1 (not 0).
@pietervannes4476
@pietervannes4476 5 жыл бұрын
what do you mean with a number being repeated?
@danielsmerdel8214
@danielsmerdel8214 4 жыл бұрын
42th?
@Mercury2wo
@Mercury2wo 6 жыл бұрын
Sequences as music! Awesome!
@hpp6116
@hpp6116 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting sequence, and quite beautiful on top of it!
@Wooflays
@Wooflays 6 жыл бұрын
prove that it doesn't terminate? like is there a situation where you go n steps back but n+1 steps forward is already occupied right
@issamaib
@issamaib 5 жыл бұрын
plus n+1 back from the n steps back is also occupied? plus the mirror version of all of it (i.e. +n forward works --> n+1 forward doesn't & -(n+1) backward doesn't.
@trying2understand870
@trying2understand870 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, at the 21st and 25th terms. They’re both 42.
@a-human
@a-human 6 жыл бұрын
I have the collatz conjecture for my ringtone almost a have of a year :P
@davidpaipa1751
@davidpaipa1751 6 жыл бұрын
Bernardo Recaman is a professor at Universidad de los Andes in Bogotá. He has been a mentor to me and i´m proud to know him. He is my friend and this sequence is a challenge because of the mysteries it holds. I'm glad there's a Numberphile video about his sequence and he may be happy about it too.
@chemxcore
@chemxcore 6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video!
@Barteks2x
@Barteks2x 6 жыл бұрын
Is there actually a proof that it's infinite? It definitely doesn't seem obvious that there can't be a point when you can't go backwards but also can't go forwards.
@Flamarius
@Flamarius 6 жыл бұрын
The number line is infinite, so even if you can't go back, there will always be another number higher up the number line that you can go to.
@Flamarius
@Flamarius 6 жыл бұрын
+Flamarius Also, I believe repeats are avoided only when subtracting (not quite sure of that one).
@strengthman600
@strengthman600 6 жыл бұрын
Flamarius is right, 42 is repeated in the sequence as are many other numbers. There's no restrictions on forward movement, only backwards
@omp199
@omp199 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, at first I thought they were claiming that it might just hit every number exactly once, and I thought that would be amazing. Then I worked out part of the sequence for myself and found that 42 was repeated. At first I thought maybe I'd made a mistake, so I checked, and then I noticed that the video did actually show that there were repeats, and that was disappointing. Still, it means that the first repeated number is actually 42. Forty-two! So that must be significant. :)
@RoboterHund87
@RoboterHund87 5 жыл бұрын
What a freaking mess >:( So, apparently: If you aren't allowed repeats when going forward, then it ends right before you hit 42 again. If you are allowed repeats, it's infinite because you can always at least take the "add" branch.
@culwin
@culwin 6 жыл бұрын
It sounds like music you would hear in cartoons from the 60's like Tom & Jerry.
@mienzillaz
@mienzillaz 4 жыл бұрын
just 0.5 views? this is clearly one of the best numberphile clips..
@41-Haiku
@41-Haiku 6 жыл бұрын
I recently purchased the "Patterns Of The Universe" coloring book. Small world!
@mesaplayer9636
@mesaplayer9636 5 жыл бұрын
Can the sequence ever go back twice in a row?
@AndjeiKuna
@AndjeiKuna 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it can, it goes 63, 41, 18 an n={22,23}
@dankmemes3447
@dankmemes3447 6 жыл бұрын
damn it i got spooked!
@gizmostudios
@gizmostudios 5 жыл бұрын
I want to use this in a music visualization, beautiful animation and representation of simple play with numbers!
@kienesel7
@kienesel7 5 жыл бұрын
Think I found my new tattoo.
@halojann
@halojann 6 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of certain crop circles.
@chromo1858
@chromo1858 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's what I thought of as well
@izziexxx
@izziexxx 6 жыл бұрын
The spirals in the art book give me strong Gallifreyan feelings. Quite beautiful.
@mmariokart231
@mmariokart231 6 жыл бұрын
What a great recommendation!
@_half_space
@_half_space 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like a ripple in water
@SafetyBoater
@SafetyBoater 6 жыл бұрын
Any chance of a link to a high res image of that 600 number graph?
@nosuchthing8
@nosuchthing8 5 жыл бұрын
Do you want one, I was going to create an app to draw it
@alltoohuman01
@alltoohuman01 6 жыл бұрын
I would love that circular design on a tee shirt!
@sbeckmesser
@sbeckmesser 6 жыл бұрын
Loved the play as music demo. If you speed up the tempo at the link provided from 100 to 150, it sounds very much like the works of Conlon Nancarrow for player piano -- great stuff, look it up.
@chaosreigns7386
@chaosreigns7386 5 жыл бұрын
It wasn't invented, it was discovered...numbers, patterns, iterations have existed since our universe was born...
@novameowww
@novameowww 4 жыл бұрын
yeah ok cool but you get what he means
@TimothyReeves
@TimothyReeves 4 жыл бұрын
Well that’s one view, but it’s not the only view.
@brandtfees2625
@brandtfees2625 5 жыл бұрын
Would love to see two perpendicular lines that use the Recaman Sequence. Maybe have it going from one line to the other in strait lines.
@GaryBickford
@GaryBickford 5 жыл бұрын
I immediately (almost ) pondered what the complex equivalent would be, and what it would look like! ;)
@jekyllgaming99
@jekyllgaming99 6 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the endless staircase in SM64... (I know it's more a Shepard tone but still)
@christophertalbot9488
@christophertalbot9488 5 жыл бұрын
JekyllGaming99 Reminds me of 'The Devil's Staircase' by György Ligeti.
@SpeakShibboleth
@SpeakShibboleth 6 жыл бұрын
I was waiting to hear why it's interesting but all I got was "it sounds weird on an arbitrary scale". Why is it mathematically interesting?
@omp199
@omp199 6 жыл бұрын
It probably isn't mathematically interesting in the sense of shedding light on "important" problems. But it is one of those peculiar mathematical objects that is very easy to define but not at all straightforward in its behaviour. There is also an obvious question to ask about it that is very easy to state but that nobody has so far been able to answer: Does every natural number appear in the sequence? Nobody knows! People think that every natural number will appear, and apparently it has been checked up to some high number, but nobody has proved it. This is reminiscent of the Collatz Conjecture.
@ryandean3162
@ryandean3162 6 жыл бұрын
I believe it stops at 103, and the highest number represented (farthest right point) is 129. The picture also appears to start at 1 rather than 0. Could be off quite a bit though, I just did it assuming equal spacing between numbers and measuring from the most top down image available (the paint filling part near the beginning).
@magnusjonsson7303
@magnusjonsson7303 5 жыл бұрын
The musical term for this is COUNTERPOINT. The melodies are going either towards eachother or they out-distance from eachother, whereby they sometimes cross eachother.
@unoriginalusernameno999
@unoriginalusernameno999 6 жыл бұрын
I already have his book: "Alex's adventures in numberland"
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 6 жыл бұрын
Then you might want the sequel, _Alex through the Looking Glass,_ as well.
@owenkeller2748
@owenkeller2748 5 жыл бұрын
I can't decide if that title is witty or ignorant. Carroll was a math teacher and wrote the book to be all about math and logic. Maybe Alex knows this and enjoys the pun anyway
@superscatboy
@superscatboy 5 жыл бұрын
Owen Keller Alex knows this, because everybody knows this.
@OrangeC7
@OrangeC7 6 жыл бұрын
Honestly it looks like gallifreyan xD -someone get the reference please-
@adranirdoradrie4922
@adranirdoradrie4922 6 жыл бұрын
Actually, circular gallifreyan, 'cause there are other gallifreyan alphabet ^^
@rpyrat
@rpyrat 6 жыл бұрын
Google got the reference for me
@unknown360ful
@unknown360ful 6 жыл бұрын
I was literally gonna comment that!
@aleksanderrubik.
@aleksanderrubik. 6 жыл бұрын
Doctor who?
@jamiearmstrong9494
@jamiearmstrong9494 6 жыл бұрын
That's awesome
@minsapint8007
@minsapint8007 3 жыл бұрын
From Wiki: Conjecture - Neil Sloane has conjectured that every number eventually appears, but it has not been proved. Even though 10^15 terms have been calculated (in 2018), the number 852,655 has not appeared on the list.
@arsenelupin123
@arsenelupin123 5 жыл бұрын
Omg, in the beginning, it sounds so much like the music from Rocket Hideout in Pokemon!
@photelegy
@photelegy 5 жыл бұрын
3:02 There's a mistake in your master coloring 😉 (At the number 43)
@tz233
@tz233 6 жыл бұрын
I've just spent the past half hour listening to the digits of pi on the OEIS website.....
@hisxmark
@hisxmark 5 жыл бұрын
All sorts of interesting stuff to investigate here: Like tracking the sequence of how many times you can go back without having to go forward; in your graphical approach, (Maybe start with cylindrical coordinates and project them onto a plane?); how many times does the line intersect itself; how would you determine which Fourier series that would sum to these numbers;... ? There's got to be a doctoral thesis in there somewhere, probably more than one.
@xybersurfer
@xybersurfer 5 жыл бұрын
it's a pretty visualization and interesting sequence
@chluff
@chluff 6 жыл бұрын
pretty sure the "human" quality is just a result of it sounding like a piano
@MisterAppleEsq
@MisterAppleEsq 6 жыл бұрын
No, they were referring to the multiple interlocking up-and-down-y line that you can hearm
@elevown
@elevown 6 жыл бұрын
Nope - the one where it is just ascending also sounds like a piano. They mean the little flurries and stuff that are not obviously a sequence. To me some of those bits sound like experimental or modern or whatever its called Jazz.
@chluff
@chluff 6 жыл бұрын
elevown oh, jazz
@chluff
@chluff 6 жыл бұрын
elevown like, hitting a few random keys at weird intervals type jazz
@elevown
@elevown 6 жыл бұрын
yup - I dunno enough about it to know even its proper name lol but I've heard it. Regular Jazz is fine, but the experimental/modern stuff - half of it Does just sound like randomly hitting keys lol.
@alansmithee419
@alansmithee419 5 жыл бұрын
8:37 Probably came from a jump which was a multiple of 72, nothing special.
@FreestylStudio
@FreestylStudio 5 жыл бұрын
Funny that you chose sound to represent it. The recaman sequence is the function for probable wave movement in 2.5 dimensions.
@alan2here
@alan2here 6 жыл бұрын
Sequence is endless, every positive integer is included.
@Ventiglondalator
@Ventiglondalator 6 жыл бұрын
György Ligeti - L'escalier du diable
@thimkthimk
@thimkthimk 6 жыл бұрын
Ligeti - "The Devil's Staircase". My thought exactly.
@glarynth
@glarynth 6 жыл бұрын
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