The Slow and Sad Death of The Murder Drones Fandom

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Vanitymoth

Vanitymoth

3 ай бұрын

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@outerheaven4384
@outerheaven4384 3 ай бұрын
It’s insane how some weirdo’s take shipping so seriously, not just in MD but across other fandoms too.
@nuklier_xn
@nuklier_xn 3 ай бұрын
Fr it's not that serious yet they make it serious
@goosey_jooce
@goosey_jooce 3 ай бұрын
@@nuklier_xnfr tho, people cant just exist peacefully 😭😭
@cynthiahatterene6739
@cynthiahatterene6739 3 ай бұрын
Thats what twitter just has become. Its not a plattform anymore its literally a warzone
@bennet7817
@bennet7817 3 ай бұрын
I mean I'm shipping too but I'm not telling anyone because I don't want to annoy them with my own mind garbage.
@cupheadjoestar3871
@cupheadjoestar3871 3 ай бұрын
@@cynthiahatterene6739 This fandom really did started a War Without Reason huh
@CherryWine19
@CherryWine19 3 ай бұрын
“Fandoms never die, they just lay dormant for a while then make a scarily intense comeback some years or so later” -me, my entire life, everytime someone would tell me a fandom is dying
@Influence417
@Influence417 3 ай бұрын
It's more like comatose for me, an example being the Bendy fandom.
@V1ncenz010
@V1ncenz010 3 ай бұрын
That one game about a skeleton with a yellow eye that does funny things
@TheRealSuperKirby
@TheRealSuperKirby 3 ай бұрын
Idk man the adventures of lolo fandom ain't coming back any time soon.
@UlsterHound77
@UlsterHound77 3 ай бұрын
True. Look at Godzilla. It was practically a silent dead fandom. Now? Jesus christ.
@failsafe-ready_circuit
@failsafe-ready_circuit 3 ай бұрын
we hibernating with the md fans with this one 😴😴🌃🌃🌙🌙🌙
@Avil-Eros-Ourpl
@Avil-Eros-Ourpl 3 ай бұрын
In the prom episode, the missing posters show ages 19-21 for classmates of uzi, so she's most likely within that age range as well
@tstorm64m66
@tstorm64m66 3 ай бұрын
Yep
@bella_daze3092
@bella_daze3092 2 ай бұрын
THANK YOU FOR NOTICING. Finally someone else says this. There would be ZERO prom episode if Uzi wasn’t in that age range.
@chobies5383
@chobies5383 2 ай бұрын
@@bella_daze3092 What if time passes by faster there? Like if one year on Earth is 1.3 years on Copper-9.
@bella_daze3092
@bella_daze3092 2 ай бұрын
@@chobies5383 makes sense
@RiskiVR
@RiskiVR 2 ай бұрын
didn't N say "She's a kid, *like us* , V" in Episode 4? Implying that he's just as young as her?
@daranaqelforastero319
@daranaqelforastero319 Ай бұрын
Death of the Murder Drones Fandom? In ONE day it got 4 million views, this fandom's not dead yet
@AlexisAlicea-fg4ev
@AlexisAlicea-fg4ev Ай бұрын
Your right the fandom is not dead yet it will return 🙂🙂
@daranaqelforastero319
@daranaqelforastero319 Ай бұрын
@@AlexisAlicea-fg4ev it has returned 😎
@AlexisAlicea-fg4ev
@AlexisAlicea-fg4ev Ай бұрын
WAIT THIS IS TRUE RIGHT
@daranaqelforastero319
@daranaqelforastero319 Ай бұрын
@@AlexisAlicea-fg4ev oh yeah baby! WE'RE BACK AND KICKING SOME ABSOLUTE SOLVER BUTT!!😎😎😎 (and lore dumping yey 😊)
@Serial-designation-drone.N
@Serial-designation-drone.N 23 күн бұрын
@daranaqelforastero319 YEAAAAAH
@JackTPach
@JackTPach 3 ай бұрын
The Murder Drones Pilot had over a year long wait till the second episode. I think it’s fair to say those who have waited from the start will not be offset by the wait time.
@NoirKirbi
@NoirKirbi 3 ай бұрын
It's a different situation. One is a proof of concept to first continuation, and this is meat of the show to climax. And consider that a good chunk if not the majority of people got into it after that time gap. I don't doubt the final episodes would get as much views as the others, but there is sadly merit to say it could likely not end with a particular bang
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
100% agreed
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
@@NoirKirbiit’s not respectfully. This doesn’t change having patience. The beginning of the show had to be intresting, and so does this era of Season 1. It’s funny because what are these newer fans going to do when waiting for Season 2 😂they’ll really say it’s dead then 😅
@ianlee8158
@ianlee8158 3 ай бұрын
Tbh i have waited hazbin hotel for so long that i developed some methods to extend my patience on these episodes release times
@siblingsfun2024
@siblingsfun2024 3 ай бұрын
i dont think there will be a season 2@@StarryInkArt
@Yagsterr
@Yagsterr 3 ай бұрын
The fandom has had MANY ups and downs, but I still don't regret being a part of it. It may not be in the best of shapes, but the show as a whole will always hold a special place in my heart. Thank you, Murder Drones.
@LonelyWolf1916
@LonelyWolf1916 3 ай бұрын
I agree
@Iso20227
@Iso20227 3 ай бұрын
I feel exactly the same way. Murder Drones is great. Personally, I am very intrigued by lore heavy stories like Dark Souls, Skyrim, Legend of Zelda, and of course, Murder Drones. I’m even trying to accomplish the same thing with my own stories, although I don’t do it nearly as well just yet.
@atilamaldonado8944
@atilamaldonado8944 3 ай бұрын
We love you man
@bella_daze3092
@bella_daze3092 3 ай бұрын
I’be been with this fandom since the start. So it breaks my heart to see this. But no matter what bullishit happens. I’m going to stay. This show helped me when I was in a bad place so- I’m not gonna leave it no matter what
@Iso20227
@Iso20227 3 ай бұрын
@@bella_daze3092 I’ve been around since 2 weeks after episode 2 came out, and I totally get what you mean. The fandom is really only bad on Twitter though, so we real fans of the show can enjoy it here on KZbin mostly free of burden.
@KeyboardTarantula
@KeyboardTarantula 3 ай бұрын
you know what's wierd about Nuzi ship? according to evidence provided, most of the murder drones in the highschool are actually in their 20s, which is wierd. (check missing posters.) this means that N is probably even OLDER than we thought, but also it's like... Uzi's 20? N acts less mature than uzi by a long shot. and Uzi still acts like a gothic teen. personally, because A.I and robots are so iffy when it comes to age stuff, where a robot can be built as an adult but only be 3 years old and vice versa, that it should be based upon mental maturity levels instead. edit* and sending death threats over a character death is so absolutely childish. be mad, complain, but risking the future of the show, or WORSE someone's mental health is stupid.
@Finklutz29
@Finklutz29 3 ай бұрын
At the time, they had no evidence; ep3 was over 1 year after the pilot episode
@KeyboardTarantula
@KeyboardTarantula 3 ай бұрын
@@Finklutz29 yeah, but i'msaying now that they have evidence, it's still happening.
@Adventist9917
@Adventist9917 2 ай бұрын
High school can have students up to age 21. It's uncommon, but people get held back... Some teen parents have to quit school and come back a few years later. It happens.
@Adventist9917
@Adventist9917 2 ай бұрын
​@@Finklutz29 I think the problem is people assuming that since she's in high school, she must be a child. But that isn't at all true. Only lower grades in high school are for children. But the two higher grades have adults. Or rather CAN... Of course, people CAN be held back or advance through school quicker and start taking college classes early. My point is that being in high school and living with your parents, doesn't mean they're a child.
@EclipseVenexus
@EclipseVenexus 2 ай бұрын
Having *been* in high school Uzi and her classmates should basically be seniors. Like, prom was a normal thing for seniors sometimes. Concerning the age thing (or rather worker drone x dissassembly drone) it was stated a while back in a Reddit ama by liam that *after* the core explosion did uzi and her classmates come into play. Pill babies (like beau) exist, soon growing into full drone bodies. …N (and others like J and V) never went through this. Going by the manor events he was never a pill baby since those little guys were post core explosion. He was basically really young back then. Like a toddler basically skipping the baby phase. He was never 'programmed' to age like Uzi. Wonky as it is. The pairing works just fine age wise (especially taking other vampire traits into account).
@ToastLord42
@ToastLord42 3 ай бұрын
The fact that people can get so invested in romanticising everything to the point if doxxing is incredible
@wr3nche5
@wr3nche5 15 күн бұрын
"s3x-crazed monkies" -mark "fischbach" iplier (censored cuz idk what youtube does and doesn't like anymore)
@PossessionWind
@PossessionWind 3 ай бұрын
I don't necessarily think MD fandom is "dead" but I can see where you're coming from for sure.
@andreadag
@andreadag 3 ай бұрын
same
@jacksonvoet8312
@jacksonvoet8312 3 ай бұрын
Dormant is more accurate.
@JahonCross
@JahonCross 3 ай бұрын
MD fandom is stagnant it's not a good sign, but I still enjoy the show, and there is plenty of amazing fanfiction I read to this day.
@andreadag
@andreadag 3 ай бұрын
exactly@@JahonCross
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
@@JahonCrossit’s not. It’s just waiting and being patient
@steampunkguy2036
@steampunkguy2036 3 ай бұрын
I don't think the MD fan base is dead, just hibernating until the next episodes get out
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
Exactly. People are just being dramatic.
@Enderia2
@Enderia2 3 ай бұрын
@@StarryInkArtExactly!
@bdcchicken
@bdcchicken 3 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s sleeping with yogi and bobo
@def3ndr887
@def3ndr887 3 ай бұрын
It’s flooded with pron rn
@failsafe-ready_circuit
@failsafe-ready_circuit 3 ай бұрын
agree with you mate
@Mr_Fugnug
@Mr_Fugnug 3 ай бұрын
Now don’t take this in the wrong way, but I don’t think the age of a robot matters.
@ikheetdaan
@ikheetdaan 3 ай бұрын
Yea, i should be able to fuck a roomba i got last year!
@Joshuatheidiot
@Joshuatheidiot 28 күн бұрын
Plus, in the prom episode, the missing posters show that her classmates are of age, so she probably is too. So even if it does matter there is proof she is of age.
@ghost_stories1240
@ghost_stories1240 3 ай бұрын
I really hope Murder Drones doesn’t die, it’s my favourite show of all time, all of my inspirations come from it. Please don’t let this fandom die…
@user-jr5rk9lo9t
@user-jr5rk9lo9t 3 ай бұрын
Me too bro
@ramzymilano4237
@ramzymilano4237 3 ай бұрын
Same, i love that series than TADC
@caesarsalad1336
@caesarsalad1336 2 ай бұрын
Likewise, it certainly changed the way I view the sci-fi genre as a whole after watching it. The show will always have a special place in my heart.
@Iamlurking504
@Iamlurking504 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, they could have worked on TADC episodes alongside MD. Then they'd be able to release TADC episodes weekly without production gaps, providing profit. Also, TADC isn't witty compared to MD.
@InfiniXCat
@InfiniXCat 2 ай бұрын
​@@Iamlurking504yeah i honestly don't see why people are overhyping TADC Sure it's good but not 27x better than MD
@chobies5383
@chobies5383 3 ай бұрын
My opinion on Nuzi is that they're both robots, do robots have organs, tissue, or organic material, no they don't. Do any worker or disassembly have sexual attraction, no, just romantic. During GLITCHx, Liam said that it's somewhat similar to the movie "Robots", in the movie, say if a robot couple wanted a kid, they could just order one. No sexual interaction needed (that sounds like a line I would see in a parody infomercial). With the characters being robots, you couldn't really have a character considered a creep or pedo.
@Finklutz29
@Finklutz29 3 ай бұрын
the drones be cybering with no firewall
@Serenity_x.
@Serenity_x. 3 ай бұрын
Yeah. I agree. They're basically saying: Robots like each other (established). The have no confirmed age. Therefore, one that could be older is bad. Therefore, the shippers are pedos. Also, don't say "Oh this line says otherwise" because idc Alright, my brain is rotting because of their logic.
@bella_daze3092
@bella_daze3092 2 ай бұрын
Thank fucking God finally. Someone gets it!!!
@chobies5383
@chobies5383 2 ай бұрын
@@bella_daze3092 Im sure that they just see clothing like Stanley cups or something, not something they even need (assuming they have built in cooling and heating systems) but the the whole thing has become overblown they just went with it. I'm sure the cave man who created clothes didn't think it would become something that indicated status, only made for practical purposes. I'm sure the drones went "This shit is cool, now everyone can wear different things!"
@Adventist9917
@Adventist9917 2 ай бұрын
​@@chobies5383 Humans also have built in heating and cooling... 😂
@Chilly_Tree
@Chilly_Tree 3 ай бұрын
I may have joined this Fandom incredibly late, but I never regret a second of it. Hearing the hardships you guys went through made me appreciate the good parts of this community more. I'm hopeful that the finale can steer the ship in the right direction ❤
@ryanfrazer8286
@ryanfrazer8286 3 ай бұрын
I'm in the same boat as you only joined about 6 weeks ago crazy seeing all the bad and unlucky things that has ultimately left this series the way it is but at least in my eyes this will ALWAYS be Glitchs best project and I have introduced a few of my friends to murder drones with relative success 1 of them loves the show and can't wait for episode 7 the other watched the entire show and liked it and my last friend thinks it's mid but he's only watched up to episode 3
@Pigcat45
@Pigcat45 3 ай бұрын
Same. I love Murder Drones, and I hope the rise of TADC won't delay the next episodes of MD. ❤
@RandomCatFromFrance
@RandomCatFromFrance 3 ай бұрын
I joined the fandom in early november or so, i'm pretty sad that i didn't see it on its peak, but i am looking foward to a revival, maybe within the next episodes or a 2nd season announcement maybe? I'pl try to kkep it up as much as i can, which is not much but i will try. Drawings, comics, AUs, anything should help, i can't see the fandom die yet
@hmungceu-lu4we
@hmungceu-lu4we 3 ай бұрын
Yeah me too, I joined around a few weeks before TADC was released
@JustACarnotaurus
@JustACarnotaurus 3 ай бұрын
I also joined pretty late,around the same time episode 6 released,but I did watch part of episode 3 when it released,since I watched smg4. I actually switched for 2 weeks in the tadc fandom,but I thought murder drones suit me better.
@BallisticAri
@BallisticAri 3 ай бұрын
Insane how people think the age logistics of robots is identical to that of humans
@Your_LocalUzi
@Your_LocalUzi Ай бұрын
I know, I ship N and Uzi only because they like eachother, and i'm pretty sure they KNOW what their age is, Uzi's like 20, but N might not age up until 20 because he's a Murder Drone.
@Serial_designation_N_155
@Serial_designation_N_155 23 күн бұрын
Right? Our twenty is probably like two or something for them
@GeneralOlive-xl6tz
@GeneralOlive-xl6tz 3 ай бұрын
I’m not going to lie; when I first watched the show I considered myself part of the community even though I never even interacted with anyone online. Heck, I only in the past few days made myself a google account so I could subscribe to people that I watch on here, but to here what has happened, what the people of this community have gone through… it’s saddening. I wish that all of this stuff had never happened because my love for this show is greater than I ever thought possible, and to here that all of this stuff happened without me knowing about it feels like I’ve almost dishonored this show that I love so deeply, that I have betrayed the people of this community for not going through the hardships with them. I do sincerely hope that the show can heal back from its wounds and regain the love and praise that it so rightfully deserves.
@JustSimplyHunter
@JustSimplyHunter 3 ай бұрын
Me, a non shipper: They are robots.
@somelamenamehowaboutmr.juk6231
@somelamenamehowaboutmr.juk6231 3 ай бұрын
Exactly, my exact thoughts.
@sorrymisclick297
@sorrymisclick297 3 ай бұрын
i was thinking the exact same thing, last time i checked toasters do not have an age of consent :troll: idk how ppl got so worked up about the age of fictional cartoon robots
@justadude3659
@justadude3659 3 ай бұрын
Someone hasn't watched transformers 😉
@andresmarrero8666
@andresmarrero8666 3 ай бұрын
That's my thoughts as well. How can people forget that obvious fact?
@deputyhobbs9683
@deputyhobbs9683 3 ай бұрын
@@sorrymisclick297 there is no law that I can't stick my johnson into a running toaster try me bozo.
@trevelsdimension4984
@trevelsdimension4984 3 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't notice but the missing posters in the first episode would indicate that all the worker drones are at least 19+ And on top of that, they're ROBOTS therefore the only form of age they have is how long they existed since robots can't age
@ic0nic707
@ic0nic707 3 ай бұрын
There’s also the fact that the timeline is completely inconsistent and unimportant to the show’s creator. Uzi would have to have been “born” after episode 5’s events, but Tessa only seems to have aged around 5 years. well the example aged poorly the point kinda still stands though
@large-turkey
@large-turkey 3 ай бұрын
I don't understand why we are all so fixated on the ages of these *robots* bro. Then again it all loops around to the endless limbo of MD ships (with people worrying about whether or not the characters they're gonna ship are in legal age) which either way, is still super dumb and obnoxious.
@leebulger7112
@leebulger7112 3 ай бұрын
​@@large-turkeyI don't think age is relevant in this situation unless N had a adult like role like a teacher or something else like that.
@cynthiahatterene6739
@cynthiahatterene6739 3 ай бұрын
​@@large-turkeyproblem is were talking about twitter. And twitter, especially western twitter, OBSESSES over the age of any fictional character all the time and is constantly out to cancel people for anything.....i see it constantly.
@Flyin_vr
@Flyin_vr 3 ай бұрын
It doesn’t even matter if it’s old or not because it’s fucking canon it doesn’t matter
@princeinpve
@princeinpve 2 ай бұрын
If there are 1 million MD fans, I'm one of them, If there are 5 MD fans, I'm one of them, If there is 1 MD fan, I'm that one, If there are 0 MD fans, then I am no longer alive, If the world is against MD, I'm against the world, Till my last breath, I shall support MD.
@PotassiumIsDumb
@PotassiumIsDumb 2 ай бұрын
Same prince same
@princeinpve
@princeinpve 2 ай бұрын
If TADC Episode 2 comes out before Episode 7 of MD, I will try to do what N did to Uzi's hand, but to my own hand.
@Toastie_.
@Toastie_. Ай бұрын
​@@princeinpveI can be that one person 😔
@itzthirteen
@itzthirteen 21 сағат бұрын
@@princeinpvelucky you it only came out 5 days and ep 7 was 1 month
@SerialDesignationNShorts
@SerialDesignationNShorts 3 ай бұрын
1. Murder drones fans never dies 2. NUzi shippers never dies 3. Biscuit boi never dies 4. Smol purple angy girl never dies 5. Psychopath drone never dies 6. Bossy girl never dies 7. Among us like girl never dies 8. The little biscuit sibling never dies 9. Murder drones OC’s never dies 10. Murder drones theory’s never dies (The whole murder drones fandom and popularity and cuteness never dies)
@Silent_Secret
@Silent_Secret 2 ай бұрын
Fully agreed
@marjaschie7573
@marjaschie7573 2 ай бұрын
true
@asgacc8789
@asgacc8789 2 ай бұрын
2 🤮
@UziDoorman_WorkerDrone
@UziDoorman_WorkerDrone 2 ай бұрын
Fandom will die sometime later, i promise.
@christianzapata5283
@christianzapata5283 Ай бұрын
59 likes? Let’s fix that rlly quick
@risforrandomandrandomisme762
@risforrandomandrandomisme762 3 ай бұрын
You know there's something wrong when you can't search for any character without Google warning you that you can find things that may offend your sensitivity, it works with literally anything
@xavierwow2118
@xavierwow2118 3 ай бұрын
That's happens all the time with everything
@hybridvenom9
@hybridvenom9 3 ай бұрын
Like the murder drones fan bases like when the digital circus released they were just hating on it calm down not acting like this is a dark time for ya but also i should mention if there is any murder drones fans just try to be good not everything is perfect in the world
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
That’s like…every fandom 😅
@sakurahirawa
@sakurahirawa 3 ай бұрын
@@StarryInkArtFr. It’s werid how people are so bothered by it or focus so much on it. It’s the internet lol
@bennet7817
@bennet7817 3 ай бұрын
​@@xavierwow2118oh yes
@Ifeeldrunk
@Ifeeldrunk 3 ай бұрын
I'm into the whole V death thing, and I think it's pointless that people were sending death threats to Glitch and the team because it wasn't confirmed she was actually killed, since we don't see her actual body. Plus, even if she is dead, every show has at least one loveable character killed off (example: Flapjack from The Owl House). I think V will come back, but even if she doesn't, the death threats were unnecessary
@atilamaldonado8944
@atilamaldonado8944 3 ай бұрын
Death threads are never necessary
@Ifeeldrunk
@Ifeeldrunk 3 ай бұрын
@@atilamaldonado8944 Exactly. Even if V is truly dead
@NoirKirbi
@NoirKirbi 3 ай бұрын
I just hate how immature the fandom is. I know it's a thing everywhere, but the sheer amount of people who can't seem to be able to look at media from a writing perspective is staggering. I've seen people judge characters as how good as real people they are and how they act towards other characters instead of their actual writing quality for fuck's sake, i'm happy there are those able to suspend their disbelief SO MUCH, but a lot are really crossing the line
@unknown-275
@unknown-275 3 ай бұрын
​@@atilamaldonado8944 yeah
@AleksiOsuisse
@AleksiOsuisse 3 ай бұрын
Then there’s stranger things killing off every single likable character after introducing them…
@TheMaskedKidz
@TheMaskedKidz 3 ай бұрын
The fandom is just hibernating, waiting for another episode to be release
@captain_chocolate
@captain_chocolate 2 ай бұрын
N once said "she's a kid, like us!" implying that while he could technically be an adult (at 18) him, V, and Uzi are probably not very far off in age. And if anything, they're robots. They don't have age. Edit: line correction.
@PotassiumIsDumb
@PotassiumIsDumb 2 ай бұрын
My theory is that the ones from the manor developed faster so when Uzi was a dumb baby N was a worker.
@captain_chocolate
@captain_chocolate 2 ай бұрын
@@PotassiumIsDumb makes sense.
@PipTheSillyLesbian
@PipTheSillyLesbian 3 ай бұрын
No matter what happens, I will be in the Murder Drones fandom. No matter if it ends with only one season (which I don’t think it will), I will remember it as a hyperfixation I’ve had for weeks or months on end and a fandom I will always be apart of. I look forward to the next episodes, even if I have to wait a long time for it XD
@jiggyhellproductions
@jiggyhellproductions 3 ай бұрын
There has been said that they plan to do more things with murder drones so yeah its staying with us more, and it is called season 1 so were getting a season 2 soon
@RandomCatFromFrance
@RandomCatFromFrance 3 ай бұрын
I wish i got hyperfixated on it :( The feeling is so awesome, thinking of theories, comics, drawing and songs and characters, speccially during class haha, but i couldn't get it with this show :( i hope it happens if there is gonna have a second season lol
@PipTheSillyLesbian
@PipTheSillyLesbian 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@RandomCatFromFranceoh yeah- hyperfixations are definitely a good distraction from stressful things sometimes- but yk it doesn’t always happen. but if it does, ig you got lucky lol (And on a semi-unrelated note, I draw catified versions of the characters all the time XD)
@lightningjadejavier
@lightningjadejavier 3 ай бұрын
​@@jiggyhellproductionsit still can get canceled tho. (however just like you i doubt that, even if tadc is already big and bigger than md, i really don't think it'll end with just 1 season but if does I'll cry... I mean what else can i do except cry)
@bennet7817
@bennet7817 3 ай бұрын
I like it so much I even bought merch
@EddieisnotSmart
@EddieisnotSmart 3 ай бұрын
Because of the success of Digital Circus, I was able to find Murder Drones and I am so thankful I did. I haven't been this exited over a show sense EddsWorld. Even tho I joined the fandom late I enjoy the show I don't know much about the fandom because I don't have Twitter (Which is honestly a good thing) but I'll still support this show. This show means a lot to me
@Adventist9917
@Adventist9917 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one... 😂
@dabudgie5632
@dabudgie5632 2 ай бұрын
Omggg same
@ceinwenchandler4716
@ceinwenchandler4716 2 ай бұрын
Sorta similar here. A friend sent me some Hazbin Hotel stuff, for some reason that told KZbin that TADC would be perfect for me, I watched the pilot, I loved it, and I started looking into other Glitch shows. I haven't seen Murder Drones yet, but I will soon.
@InfiniXCat
@InfiniXCat 2 ай бұрын
I really REALLY recommend that you don't dig too deep into the bad side of the community (r34 art and ship shit) I was once a member of the auttp (anti-uttp) and it kind of made me feel different about the show and fandom for a while but i got over it. So i guess just enjoy the show as it is and ignore everyones opinion
@Xylok1
@Xylok1 Ай бұрын
Judging by the huge success of the latest episode, it’s fair to say that the fandom wasn’t dead at all. Pretty sure the new episode broke some view records too lol.
@The_gaslight_district_Fanboy
@The_gaslight_district_Fanboy Ай бұрын
I love you VM but episode 7 has 10 million views in one week, that’s not dead, that’s thriving.
@logikitty2753
@logikitty2753 3 ай бұрын
and then there's fans like me, who are chill with both NV and Nuzi. considering all the student missing posters in the prom episode, my best guess is that the worker drones' school system goes up to maybe age 20 considering a lot of those "missing" drones were stated to be around 18-19 so i'm gonna say Uzi's closer to an adult by our standards than a lot of people think
@Brasswatchman
@Brasswatchman 3 ай бұрын
We also have no idea how long a year is on their planet.
@tstorm64m66
@tstorm64m66 3 ай бұрын
​@Brasswatchman its still 18 years dude. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending all the weirdos out there I'm just saying facts
@redbanana4you
@redbanana4you 2 ай бұрын
exactly
@Iso20227
@Iso20227 3 ай бұрын
It’s kind of sad to see. As a long time Murder Drones fan, and a heavy lore addict + theorist, I can’t say that the fanbase is my all time favorite. I once said that it was, because every interaction I had was very civil, friendly, and respectful. Every argument, every debate, every theory comparison and lore dump was a very positive experience for me. But that’s only because I don’t do Twitter. Twitter is a cesspool in every sense of the word. It’s a majorly violent and toxic place to be, so I just don’t hang around there. It smells of rot and decay as everyone is always offended by something. So, while these sorts of people are considered part of the fandom, I do not consider them to be fans. Because I am a fan. And I am disgusted by this kind of “behavior”. (I have many less pleasant things to say, but I like being polite when I can).
@NoirKirbi
@NoirKirbi 3 ай бұрын
Yeah the outside twitter community is surprisingly reasonable. I mean it is really immature, but it doesn't make you feel ashamed of being a part of the fandom as twitter dwellers do
@EclipseVenexus
@EclipseVenexus 3 ай бұрын
Thank god that the official Liam discord is relatively lax
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately it’s just the MD discord and Twitter. Tumblr is relatively fine and Liam’s server is chill. People thinking the fandom is dead are just starting drama 😅
@what3954
@what3954 3 ай бұрын
EXACTLY. I never use twitter if I don't have to, I hang out on other stuff. I was very pleasantly surprised by the amount of people who were kind, drew AWESOME fanart, and were really invested in the story. Hell, even the people who disagreed with a ship would be civil about it. It was only when I went on youtube and saw vids like these that I realized that it wasn't the way I knew it at the time. I've realized this about a lot of fandoms actually. I was in the TADC fandom when it first came out, and even then I could tell that it was going to be disastrous from there on. But I still remained, and had the same revelation. I also remember stumbling across Hazbin Hotel fanart that was actually pretty dope, but then I had that revelation AGAIN. Pisses me off, man.
@natsukigushiken3244
@natsukigushiken3244 3 ай бұрын
yeah, i'm more of a newer fan and I already know that the fanbase will definitly be a close second in my favorite fanbases, only topped by the one and only fredrick fazbearington. most people are nice and the art is good, sometimes
@night_watcher897
@night_watcher897 Ай бұрын
why is this even a debate they are ROBOTS which is a lot diferent than humans and any biological creature
@Lumeri6
@Lumeri6 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for addressing the death of this fandom. I was known as uziluci/uziisntluci back on twitter and Tiktok. I had 32k followers on tiktok because I was a known uzi cosplayer. I left the fandom because of how toxic it was. Plus uttp attacks gave me anxiety. I just hope the fandom gets better with the last 2 episodes.
@smollyboxjellyfish
@smollyboxjellyfish 2 ай бұрын
I'm a former fan of Murder Drones and lost interest in it because of the fandom I only watched the pilot but forgot what happened because I never watched the other episodes I deleted all of my socials because of the hate and never bothered since :(
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
The fandom isn’t dead. All fandoms have their ups and downs, and their toxic and good people. That doesn’t mean a fandom is dead. Just because the newer fans can’t be patient in this age of short form social media content, doesn’t mean the community is dying. They are all just being dramatic, and feeding into them with videos like these doesn’t help. Remember Glitch isn’t Disney, it’s still an indie studio. The amount of fans I’ve seen saying that if these last two episodes aren’t “top notch” due to the wait that they’ll be “angry’ is insane. It’s really entitled and threatening and that right there is the toxic part of the fandom. Rushing the show and wanting it to be “perfect” is going to make it not. The people doing that are part of the problem. And also, anything that isn’t cleared up in Season 1 will probably get cleared in a Season 2, but then again these toxic fans will be saying the fandom is “dead” during that wait too. Nower days needing patience= means dead fandom and is just annoying at this point. Stop trying to start unnecessary drama with stories that just want to be told. If being patient for more content or a well told story makes you not like a show anymore or get angry at the show runners then you aren’t a true fan, plain and simple. Between the Pilot and Episode 2 Heartbeat, there was a long pause, so newer fans may not understand that this is normal in indie animation. The fandom is still alive. And don’t go comparing TADC to Murder Drones’s fandom. I love TADC too, but most of the content and “fans” are content farmers looking to get extra views by children with Pomni or the other characters, and it won’t last forever, even Glitch addressed this when they saw how many views the pilot got. Murder Drones isn’t like that and I’m glad, or else the fandom would really die fast. I don’t comment on these types of videos often, but this sort of content mining is getting annoying. Just be a fan, don’t follow the crowd, like what you like and don’t start drama. You and the fandom will be fine (I also know it’s not that simple, a lot of these toxic fans are kids, and don’t know any better, so just ignore 😊 it’s the best thing to do to keep it alive even in long hiatus’s. The episodes probably are coming in a few weeks, just be patient.
@theamazingmika8412
@theamazingmika8412 3 ай бұрын
Mhm! Another thing to add is that the due to TADC the MD fandom might actually grow! This could happen due to the fact that TADC might’ve brought attention to GLITCH as a channel. In fact I am one of the newbies brought by TADC, I first came for the TADC but stayed for the MD😅
@sakurahirawa
@sakurahirawa 3 ай бұрын
💯
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
@@theamazingmika8412 agreed! I’m from the MD fandom and now I love TADC too! 💜✨ I can’t wait to see how both fandoms will grow!
@cristianCGT
@cristianCGT 3 ай бұрын
Well..i think that if the MD dont have the same high Hype that TADC maybe the MD can be more chill that the TADC ,because the problem of the hype of TADC its that the Hype attracted a big part of "Fans" (people that dont really likes the serie, and just make content of it by just gain views making only Farm Content) but,in the case the of MD, this thing of the Farm content and a really chaotic fandom dont happens with that Fandom( well,maybe can be a bit chaotic sometimes but the chaos dont its really relevant), the problem of the TADC trend its that during a period of time the serie gonna be relevant just by the Trend and the Hype ,but in a specific point, the people can be dissapointed if dont the dont see a episode with the "same quality" that the pilot, but in the case of MD, the serie dont was really in a same trend that TADC,so then the MD maybe can be more chill if the Hype dont attract any trend than can put worse to the fandom Yeah...maybe this comentary can be a bit stupid and dont can have any sence ,but however...its my opinion, if you care or not of this thing its okay :)
@MrBoggler
@MrBoggler 3 ай бұрын
Dang bro good analogy but this is an essay my guy
@unhelpfulcommentary
@unhelpfulcommentary 3 ай бұрын
This is a very well thought out video, definitely one of your best. While it breaks my heart to see what has happened to this shows fanbase over the last few months (especially since they’re the only reason people know who I am) I still hold out some hope for the finale of this season. Because no matter the circumstances it still holds true that when you make quality content, viewers will come. Also good job leaving the most important point to last.
@ryanfrazer8286
@ryanfrazer8286 3 ай бұрын
I don't even know what to say I'm sadded I only got into The Murder Drones fandom about a month and a half ago but I didn't know how bad some of the stuff got especially with the shipping Just so much bad events happening all at once has left one of my favourite shows in a mess I don't think I have been this interested in a series since Glitchtale and Underverse and that is saying something because those fandoms wearnt exactly left in a good shape either I will always be shocked at how tadc got so popular so fast and while it is a brilliant thing for Glitch I just don't know who the views came in I guess the KZbin Algorithm has its ways I wonder if tadc will have less drama than Murder Drones going forward but a bigger fan base may also mean more drama but we will see
@RaynasArtsandAnimation
@RaynasArtsandAnimation 3 ай бұрын
​@@ryanfrazer8286 A bigger fanbase usually has more drama. Though i don't know much about the actual fans, what i do know is that KZbin is riddled with tons of terrible, disgusting content regarding TADC and the trolls have gone wild spamming stuff all over KZbin. And there are already debates going on about shipping.
@hyperactivelad5904
@hyperactivelad5904 2 ай бұрын
This video actually helps my perspective on this all alot thank you!! I sorta stopped watching after the second episodes release and came back to hear a HEAPTONE of drama had flushed its way in
@LowkeyLoki_
@LowkeyLoki_ Ай бұрын
As a Nuzi shipper, not even being bias, the murder drones are just supposed to be taller, and n DID say himself “she is a kid, like us”
@tahaa.
@tahaa. 3 ай бұрын
As someone who got into Murder Drones and joined the fandom back in April of 2023 after the end of the Owl House of that same month. I can confirm this. Murder Drones was truly a show made with heart, effort, and talent and everyone involved with the show had fun making it.. But the fandom was too focused on the shipping part.. And that's very sad, despite this I'm grateful that I made friends because of Murder Drones. And I'll congratulate Glitch Productions for creating two shows that I got into in the same year Murder Drones and The Amazing Digital Circus both being made by Creators Liam Vickers and Gooseworx both being well-done in the indie-space and having uniquely different art styles and sense of humor translating pretty well in those two shows. Like for example Liam Vickers's body horror imaginary, and Gooseworx's surrealism.
@def3ndr887
@def3ndr887 3 ай бұрын
Liked the pilot but the story is mid at best as it progressed
@Soaring-Jay
@Soaring-Jay 3 ай бұрын
The Murder Drones fandom is experiencing what the TOH fandom experienced between seasons, but with extreme infighting and trolls. It's really sad to watch, especially when I'm indirectly being accused of things from both sides of the shipping war since I ship N with both V (in the flashbacks) and Uzi (in the present). The few people I know personally that have stayed in the fandom have only stayed because of the small pockets of more peaceful parts of the fandom.
@JahonCross
@JahonCross 3 ай бұрын
The fanfiction fandom is still going on strong. There are a few that I've read that I love more than the MD show itself
@JahonCross
@JahonCross 3 ай бұрын
@peachybreezy links don't work on KZbin But I'll just give you the name Servant and Subject by "Skak" on Archive of Our Own. Honestly, it's such a good story to read, but it's not complete yet, though, but you'll enjoy it right now.
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
@@JahonCross oh I love that one!!!
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
The fandom is still going strong due to the peaceful side and will be there long after MD ends in the future. The ones who are toxic will be LONG gone before the show.
@TrulyAtrocious
@TrulyAtrocious 3 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry my dumbass read it as the "Tower of Hell" fandom lmfaoo What is TOH?
@ViaraMcKenley
@ViaraMcKenley 3 ай бұрын
I have been an MD fan since day 1, I'm sure the fandom will rise back up once ep7 and 8 are released Moving onto an honest opinion: The Amazing Digital Circus actually did overshadow MD quite a bit and as sad as I am about it, I just dealt with it because I knew we were getting new MD episodes later on anyway. My personal opinion on TADC is... Mixed. I don't hate it, but I don't like it either. TADC has amazing animation and.. Fair storytelling, but I like shows based off aesthetics, writing, lore, characters, acting, and just general visuals. I'm a fan of both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel. I waited four (yes, four) whole years for HH to air on Amazon Prime. HB on the other hand was a show I watched in my freetime and it was just something I genuinely enjoyed. I've been around since the beginning of all these big webshows and I must say, a lot has changed since the pilots were released. TADC is new, and it'll be something I get used to, but by the looks of it now.. I always thought it would be tainted by the younger iPad generation, but that's just me going straight to assumptions. Then again, it really depends on the future of these webshows. Hazbin Hotel is an official show on Prime Video now, while MD, HB, and of course TADC are on KZbin to watch freely. I personally love the MD fandom for what it is, minus all the shipping obviously. Shipping in a community is common but it's also bad. Gravity Falls for example, there have been people shipping Dipper and his sister I forgot her name lol but still. It goes to show that shippers really don't care what the character is, if they get even somewhat close then they go head-first. Personally I'm mostly a V x N shipper but I really don't care what happens. I don't ship characters very often if not at all unless it becomes canon. This uproar in the MD community is like a leech, but I'm glad things are toning down after a while. The MD community is merely dormant until the next episodes come out, that's how I see it. Anyways enough yapping for me lol
@That_Imaginator
@That_Imaginator 3 ай бұрын
I'm now convinced that some fandoms are just insane. KZbin needs more smart and wise people like you vannitymoth
@kimmyjohnny31
@kimmyjohnny31 3 ай бұрын
I didn’t know there was even this drama going on since I only ever watched the episodes and engaged in nothing else. I just think it’s awesome that Liams works are becoming so popular I used to watch some of his oldest series from a channel known as SSTWL (Scary Story Times With Liam), and some aspects of MD were probably inspired from those discarded series. I still want to see Design get animated in some form but I know Liam doesn’t want SSTWL to become popular now.
@user-kf8kp5wv1i
@user-kf8kp5wv1i 3 ай бұрын
It’s crazy that the entire fandom got destroyed by V’s death. The way I see it, Glitch specifically said that their shows would have constant breakdowns so we can probably expect the same from digital circus.
@ignaciavalentina7518
@ignaciavalentina7518 3 ай бұрын
she didn't die, its not official yet
@Lord_sinister.
@Lord_sinister. 3 ай бұрын
​@@ignaciavalentina7518how do you think shes not dead, when you could clearly see the 4 raptors were about to pounce on her.
@def3ndr887
@def3ndr887 3 ай бұрын
@@ignaciavalentina7518even if she did die they honestly failed to make me care
@callmequaz9052
@callmequaz9052 3 ай бұрын
​@@Lord_sinister.Because it was intentionally dome off camera which leaves the possibility she cold have survived.
@RealCatWCUE
@RealCatWCUE 3 ай бұрын
@@Lord_sinister.they said in the show “useful drones were cloned” implying she may be back.
@averyraresnom2451
@averyraresnom2451 3 ай бұрын
I loved Liam Vickers, he made many amazing animations during early stages of my life, and I will forever love those, but this felt less like murder drones and more like cybernetic humanoids beings that have a weird standing on the internet, on one hand we got the actual murder of murder drones, death, carnage all of that good stuff and then we have weird emotional stuff that is good and all but there’s a little too much of it.
@Roseyzzz
@Roseyzzz 3 ай бұрын
BEEN A MD FAN FOR A YEAR, AND I'LL NEVER LEAVE💪💪💪
@cherylkealey4831
@cherylkealey4831 2 ай бұрын
Hello I,ve been here from the start
@OutcastRose
@OutcastRose 3 ай бұрын
Speaking as a fanartist who's been around since before episode 2 and was later targeted by UTTP. This fandom was (and I do mean that in past tense) the most toxic fandom I've been in for shipping. I've never been accused of being a p*do before until this fandom and that's even disregarding what the UTTP sent my way. I will preface the shipping aspect of this comment by saying I never set out to be known as a shipper for this community, I saw how the fandom took Envy as its shipping darling back in the day and I wasn't thrilled by the Stockholm-y "I can fix her" presentation of it. Nuzi crept up on me as the better endgame alternative the more I thought about it. The hate for Nuzi was absolutely insane and I think that's because so many fans were either misinformed or didn't think more critically. The only s*x joke in the whole show is the BJ joke between Uzi and N in the pilot (a single s*x joke, Vivziepop could never). I don't think they'd include a joke like that if their ages were so vast. That and the "boyfriend" line aging well if Nuzi did go canon and Liam's season 1 teaser art having a Nuzi nod were all things I kept having to point at to defend myself. It was honestly at its worst in the lead up to episode 3, episode 3-4 chilling things down some as the ship became more present, and then finally episode 6 looking like it sunk Envy for it to be ok to ship Nuzi. Just insane behavior. The show's staff had long been liking fanart of the ship, it took the fandom ages to catch up. Toxic fans trying to dig up dirt on Liam was pretty funny though. The "proof" they found was art of an 18 year old character. But man, I hate how talk about this show is full of shipping. I love me some shipping but the N Bowl took the fandom by the horns. I think more people would talk about the lore if more people could understand it. I don't think it's hard to understand, but there's a lot of misconceptions I see going around. While I do think the writing has some issues, I usually understand why things seem out of place as the plot progresses, but I don't really think anything is much of an issue other than I would've liked more of a lead up to V's sacrifice. However, I don't personally see this as the fandom's dark age. I see this as a renaissance tbh. The amount of new faces in the fandom because of Digital Circus is actually very welcome after how many left over the ship wars (some of those toxic shippers fled to TADC anyway). These are new people who already know what the writing on the wall is regarding shipping, so if they're not interested they're not gonna watch the show anyway. Whoever's here is in for the long haul, and that's a kind of fan I really like. Like yes, I was upset seeing how much better Digital Circus was doing and how Glitch forgot about MD for a bit (even on its own anniversary), but I feel MD is better off with Digital Circus and its popularity. MD's popular but not to content farms level, but not so unpopular that the show risks early cancellation (not that it should be in question anyway as that would undermine Glitch's mission). Digital Circus is bringing in needed money for Glitch, whom are hiring like crazy now. MD got nominated for a Webby and GlitchX was mostly about MD. It's not doom and gloom. It has literally never been a better time to be a fan of MD.
@Forestleafs
@Forestleafs 2 ай бұрын
As someone who found MD before like the 3rd episode i feel like some people take shipping way to seriously and its disgusting what can come out of that and ive always supported NV shippers but before episode 4 (i think) where N literally says that there kids to i didnt support NUZI's but i always looked at it as cute but now i support both ships bcuz honestly there both good either way i dont wanna make this long but all i have to say is that doxxing people for shipping fictional characters/ROBOTS! (THAT DONT EVEN AGE OR HAVE SEXUAL ATTRACTION WITH EACHOTHER!) need to understand that even if they are maybe shipping a minor with an adult that you should maybe either educate them about how one of them is a minor and the other is an adult and technically that would be p*do behavior or if there both close to/are the same age then if you dont like the ship just either leave it alone and scroll or smt bcuz threatening/doxxing people is just making the situation worse (also pls correct me if got the episode wrong or smt lmao)
@AngelsonClan
@AngelsonClan 3 ай бұрын
I love this show, and honestly I'm a bit anxious about me not liking it anymore. That's how much I like it, I'm scared of not liking it anymore...but I never realized how much damage has been done to the fandom. I love this show so much because for a while in late 2022 to early 2023 it was the only comfort I had, at least...for a while. I liked the characters, designs, aesthetic, everything. I also loved the fandom! and I slowly noticed more and more how much toxicity started to happen. It really sucks how damaged the fandom is. But, I think I'm gonna stay in it for a while. Of course I could never know, but honestly, I'm glad there's still people left. There's so many talented, amazing people in this fandom. And I'm willing to hope it gets better. Light a fire in the darkness. summary if you don't wanna read the paragraph: I'm staying and hoping for things to get better.
@CynNnNnNNnAHHH
@CynNnNnNNnAHHH 3 ай бұрын
RAAAA ILL NEVER NOT LIKE IT🗣🗣🗣
@randomgirlontheinternet1735
@randomgirlontheinternet1735 3 ай бұрын
Im not the only one who's scared of not liking something anymore because i like it *that* much?? That's awesome!!!!!
@AngelsonClan
@AngelsonClan 3 ай бұрын
@@randomgirlontheinternet1735 YOOO TWINS!!
@thedeadlypixel3521
@thedeadlypixel3521 Ай бұрын
They are robots, they don't age (other than decay), here age is just "when the computer first was turned on", these aren't human, and anyways, most classmates along uzi are from 18-21, so she must be between that range as well
@torna2508
@torna2508 Ай бұрын
Holy shit They're literally ROBOTS I'm pretty sure that their age doesn't even matter God do I hate shipping (and love in general)
@Sleepy-Stars
@Sleepy-Stars 3 ай бұрын
A fandom that has many holes in itself... a fandom that has gone through a lot to get here... in which you are one of the only few I know who actually built up the courage to speak up. However even with all of the twists and turns... I still have hope for this community as I wouldn't be here commenting on this very video on this very day without it.. A show that will forever be in my mind... my heart... and my soul...
@KRUK2836
@KRUK2836 3 ай бұрын
I still wait for the episodes 7 and 8, and even after the season 1 will end I will wait for season 2, no matter how long would it take. Since I found this show I was totally addicted to it (I still have V on phone wallpaper). I think that fandom isnt dead, but it lost a lot of people after premiere of tadc. Still this show will always have a special place in my heart.
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. These people are being dramatic
@theamazingmika8412
@theamazingmika8412 3 ай бұрын
Same, but while some people left to be in the TADC fandom, think of how many more saw the TADC decided to check out the rest of GLITCH’s stuff and fell in love with MD! Heck I’m one of them!
@KRUK2836
@KRUK2836 3 ай бұрын
@@theamazingmika8412 I knew murder drones since the episode 4 premiere, I love it to this day and forever. I enjoyed the amazing digital circus, but I still prefer MD no gonna lie, but tadc is also great
@x.justme.xxyouthere.x9925
@x.justme.xxyouthere.x9925 3 ай бұрын
I agree but sadly I don't think we'll get a second season
@Influence417
@Influence417 3 ай бұрын
@@StarryInkArt Or just realistic.
@sassberrysnap
@sassberrysnap Ай бұрын
I literally just joined the fandom last night y'all are kind of insane about Nuzi's age gap The creator literally said it's not a proship and there's evidence Uzi is 19-20?? like what 😭 Also... THEY'RE ROBOTS?? AND THERE'S NO POWER IMBALANCE.
@WoofBee
@WoofBee 3 ай бұрын
Commenting on my thoughts: As a recent-ish fan, it kinda sucks to see what discourse is happening/happened. Just gonna bring up some big points here, for anyone reading. (I should note that i 1. Have little/no experience with running/managing a popular thing, 2. I don't have any romantic experiences/never dated (aro/ace) but i DO have experience in art/animations) 1. THEY ARE ROBOTS. It's confirmed by Liam/the creator of MD that they don't age like humans (during GlitchX i do believe). Uzi still being in school is probably just a thing the robots picked up on a little wrong possibly. Or it's collage or something idfk. as for N, the timeline is still INCREDIBLY fuzzy, and we really REALLY don't know much, but it is possible for his "Age" or whatever to have been reset when he was sent to Copper-9. Again, big point, THEY ARE ROBOTS. THEY DON'T TECHNICALLY AGE. Mental/Physical age plays a huge part in the discussion, but i'm just tired of the fighting. 2. eNVy didn't stand a chance modern day. We know that they sorta had a thing at the mansion, but besides that, no way. V's actions have done more harm than good occasionally, and even if they suddenly had a chance? I don't feel like that's the way it's going. Don't fight me over it PLEASE. (also, i don't think V is dead, going by the "They ain't dead till i see a corpse" rule. But, that rule can be broken) 3. What. Why. Doxxing is NEVER a good solution online, it can possibly lead to Legal (?) situations if bad enough. Also, please yall gently inform people and don't SCREAM at them for getting something wrong. It really, really hurts, especially if they are younger (got screamed at once online when i was like 10-12ish and i still think about it every now and then. ) Same with the Death Threats. It's just... Grow tf up please why do you feel the need to remove a life from this planet over big fancy pixels. Also, the YTTP should just...Not exist man. 4. Animation takes time. People being pissy over release dates sucks because if they ARE pissy about release dates, and the show DOES get out sooner, it's gonna be a lot worse. Mega-tigh deadlines and overworking are not fun! say, for example, episode 7+8 came out TODAY, it would most likely be really nasty and poorly animated. That would kill off any love for it. TLDR: Yall please shut up it's a show it's not gonna kill anyone. Unless there were more major issues (ie. Uzi WAS confirmed to be or even nastier shit) just please let people enjoy what they wanna enjoy. If somebody enjoys Nuzi, Great! They can enjoy Nuzi. If somebody enjoys eNVy, great! They can enjoy eNVy. Stop Doxxing/telling people to Kys over it and grow up. (also sorry if i rambled i just like talking about things)
@Influence417
@Influence417 3 ай бұрын
That's procedure for most fandoms, no one can fight to change it.
@WoofBee
@WoofBee 3 ай бұрын
@@Influence417 Really wish it wasn't that way, but there's really not anything major i can really do about it. There IS the possibility for sliiight change though, so i'm trying to remain hopeful (even if the internet is burning to ashes sometimes right next to me)
@_kataliste_
@_kataliste_ 3 ай бұрын
it really is never that serious, and yet stupid people online like to blow everything out of proportion over fictional characters. They would rather harass real living people to "protect" people that aren't real. Smh
@missfizzysoda
@missfizzysoda 3 ай бұрын
my poor deprived heart will never leave murder drones. i will go down with this show
@user-qy8kr2zk5c
@user-qy8kr2zk5c 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the explanation Vanitymoth!
@NTACofficial
@NTACofficial 3 ай бұрын
well, I am a part of the md fandom and I won't leave, cuz that's mostly what my channel is based around
@CABAL896
@CABAL896 3 ай бұрын
I'll leave. I don’t want to be in this fandom, which resembles a kindergarten with idiots who are waiting for episode 7 for some reason
@NTACofficial
@NTACofficial 3 ай бұрын
@@CABAL896 7&8 you absolute idiot
@Mr.Dr.Professor
@Mr.Dr.Professor 3 ай бұрын
I may have only become a fan after Digital Circus's release, but I still love this show, and it's sad to see it fade away in the minds of the public.
@dabudgie5632
@dabudgie5632 3 ай бұрын
Same! I have to thank tadc for introducing me to glitch, but tadc pales in comparison to how much I enjoyed md. I think it’s the better show, but it’s not hard to see why Tara blew up, it looks almost destined to become an animation juggernaut and industry plant.
@NfromMurderDrones323
@NfromMurderDrones323 3 ай бұрын
I thought I was the only one
@RADIUS_EXPLORER
@RADIUS_EXPLORER 3 ай бұрын
I personally think no one realizes that N and V were servants for humans on earth, they died as "kids" then made into Disassembly drones, with their memories wiped, we can assume that the doors were built right after the Disassembly drones arrived from the dialogue of ep5 thus when uzi was a baby so technically making N and Uzi around the same age. Also THEY ARE ROBOTS PEOPLE! The reason episode 7 and 8 are taking so long is because episode 6 was rewritten before released, idk what changed but it must have been big. So now they have to rewrite ep7 and ep8 to compensate. Digital Circus got attention because of the people who watch it, children especially. Thus giving it way more attention. On the bright side digital circus is taking all the bad attention away from murder drones (aka click bait assholes). I think the whole "put more of the team on digital circus" is complete bullshit, it seems that most of the animation in that show is more cartoon and simplistic, unlike Murder Drones high quality animations, plus murder drones has also racked up on views because of digital circus and some people like it more for its more horrifying nature, so the community is growing, just not as much as digital circus.
@TakeASlice-Music
@TakeASlice-Music 3 ай бұрын
Don’t worry. The fandom isn’t dead. It’s just napping until spring when the new episode comes out.
@442nd
@442nd 3 ай бұрын
I’m still here..waiting..
@ericshun3164
@ericshun3164 3 ай бұрын
this is crazy , I didn't know any of this! I thought it just died bc there were no new episodes releasing , thank you for informing me
@Ruizu-keiza01
@Ruizu-keiza01 3 ай бұрын
This video is really well thought out. I like that. I just joined the Fandom recently and its..interesting to hear how it is/was. Shipping can get crazy, and that is what usually leads to Fandom having a bad name and reputation.
@wafflehead9231
@wafflehead9231 3 ай бұрын
I’m a Murder Drones fan, and though I only joined the fandom recently, I’m still goin’ strong. I’m dealing with this stuff, and I have no problems with it. Great video btw :D Also I did the opposite of most, lol. I didn’t leave Murder Drones for TADC, I left TADC for Murder Drones.
@Enderia2
@Enderia2 3 ай бұрын
9:30 now’s probably a good time to mention that… MY GOD WHO WOULD WANT TO WORK ON A SINGLE SHOW FOR ALL OF THEIR TIME like you’ve got to be insane, in fact Glitch is doing the employees good by actually giving them other stuff to work on too, like, yes, it’s slowing down production times of both shows, but deal with it
@HannahPlayzVR
@HannahPlayzVR Ай бұрын
Watching this after episode 7 the wait was worth it and it did kinda bring the fan base back together a bit
@atilamaldonado8944
@atilamaldonado8944 3 ай бұрын
Me reading the title: Wait what really? after waching the video: It sucks that it got like this N x Uzi was a ship that was never harmful but it surely got a lot of trash surrounding it. V's sacrifice clearly split big part of the famdom and let many sad The release of TADC defenectly left murder drones as a side dish The entire UTTP raids Happen And now we are still left whit the douts, speculations and unanswered questions until ep7 comes out😢 Hofully things go better from now on.
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
Don’t freak out yet. This video is made to get people watching it for views. It’s not as bad as it seems. The fandom isn’t dead. It’s just mainly Twitter drama as usual.😅
@atilamaldonado8944
@atilamaldonado8944 3 ай бұрын
​I know that its not like dead dead but the damage is done and i hope that everything mentioned doesnt repeat.@@StarryInkArt
@Influence417
@Influence417 3 ай бұрын
Hope? There is no hope for a fandom that's gone this deep into insanity.
@Influence417
@Influence417 3 ай бұрын
@@StarryInkArt It's more like inhospitable to me.
@mr.krabsxreturns34
@mr.krabsxreturns34 2 ай бұрын
​@@StarryInkArtnah mate both MD and TADC fandom are majorly radioactive to pure viewers minds. I can say your delusional or stubborn. Anyway the story is mid it have too many plot holes and timeskips for me understand wtf is going on. The author or writer made a huge mistake of "killing" off V so it's not my problem.
@HollowSoulss
@HollowSoulss 3 ай бұрын
Ive been following Liam's works all the way back from his creepypasta channel and Im just going to stick to following him no matter what to see what he has to offer in his future and current works he has unfinished.
@s-k-i-t-e4388
@s-k-i-t-e4388 Ай бұрын
Same
@VitaminsJr
@VitaminsJr 2 ай бұрын
Dude, im gonna remember those days when im super exited for a episode realease and i cant remember how exited i was for episode 2 which we waited for 1 YEAR for it to realease, im sad that everythings gonna end soon...
@skysnake6251
@skysnake6251 Ай бұрын
Bro the fandom is slowly growing stronger now
@nogen38
@nogen38 3 ай бұрын
I started with Murder Drones early this month, I am not interested in shipping characters, I'm generally very forgiving for flaws if I initially like a show, I went into this not knowing that the first season wasn't even finished yet (so the feeling that I need to know how it ends is even stronger than normally), I only know of Glitch because of The Amazing Digital Circus, and there is already a teaser for what comes next. I'd say that I've got very good circumstances in this regard.
@tristanjackson5074
@tristanjackson5074 3 ай бұрын
I strongly agree with the majority of this statement. However, I will say that I did think Uzi and N were cute together. I admit that I didn't think about much my first time through. Therefore, I didn't take into consideration the possible age gap between the two characters. I would also like to say that I too started the show earlier this month. So we are in this together my friend :)))
@tristanjackson5074
@tristanjackson5074 3 ай бұрын
I forgot to say that I too only discovered Glitch because of the pilot episode of The Amazing Digital Circus.
@G00glyEyeCat
@G00glyEyeCat 3 ай бұрын
I honestly don’t care to much about shipping but I did join the fandom about 2 months after ep 6 came out and I don’t regret joining the fandom at all. I just try my best to stay away from toxic people in the fandom and stay focused on the show itself. I like making edits and fan art because it’s a genuinely cool show and I love the horror and comedy aspect
@matthewjustin9785
@matthewjustin9785 2 ай бұрын
Yeah i don't really care about people shipping i just enjoying the show it self
@tatianatsivata7091
@tatianatsivata7091 3 ай бұрын
11:25 I have the perfect solution to that: Fortnite collab
@raidshadowvpnprime7689
@raidshadowvpnprime7689 Ай бұрын
You convinced the council Now cook
@Vsnumber1simp
@Vsnumber1simp 2 ай бұрын
I literally can no leave the fandom even if I wanted too cause I have merch of it and a whole oc, this show is stuck to me like a conjunct twin
@AnaMoon_13
@AnaMoon_13 3 ай бұрын
The english Murder Drones fandom may be dying but the brazillian youtubers started to talk about it and A LOT of brazilians started to whatch it. I'm a brazilian and i remember that i found the show randomly a month after episode 2 came out so i was in the fandom on the growing era, i don't regret being a part of this awesome fandom. I really hope someone says "Murder Drones fans, assemble!" On episode 7 live and thank you for making this video, it really explained why the majority of the fandom disappeared. (I'm sorry if i wrote anything wrong, i am still learning english)
@Flak_Gun
@Flak_Gun 3 ай бұрын
atleast good to see fandom doing good in other countries over here in norway i have met alot of people who either dislike the fandom or left it and very few manage to find common ground on anything everyone is just waiting for ep 7 but at this point i doubt they even remember it
@AnaMoon_13
@AnaMoon_13 3 ай бұрын
@@Flak_Gun Yeah, the show had an year between the pilot and episode 2 and now 2 months to episode 7 (now that we are in 2024) A lot of people left the fandom because of this
@user-jr5rk9lo9t
@user-jr5rk9lo9t 3 ай бұрын
It is harder to think about other countries views on a show. especially when the US and China are the two biggest , most important places for growing a show like murder drones.
@AnaMoon_13
@AnaMoon_13 3 ай бұрын
@@user-jr5rk9lo9t I agree, but Murder Drones has dubs for many languages now, so i guess it started to be popular world wide (or atleast almost)
@bella_daze3092
@bella_daze3092 2 ай бұрын
Welp- might as well say it. ✨MURDER DRONE FANS, ASSEMBLE✨
@Marieteflames
@Marieteflames 3 ай бұрын
Setting the release date to spring 2024 was already a death sentence for the murder drones fandom, that's like half a year without any new episodes and of course the fandom slowly but surely died (not really but you get my point)
@devinrekrafted6791
@devinrekrafted6791 3 ай бұрын
Oh, you don't know the gap between the pilot and episode 2 then huh? I waited that entire time and let me just say, I was hyped the entire time and I hold zero regrets for spending $540.12 on Murder Drones merch.
@Marieteflames
@Marieteflames 3 ай бұрын
​@devinrekrafted6791 that's because the hype was more when the show started and fans were more willing to wait way more. Also, my guy, 500 bucks on md merch, that's insane 💀💀
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
@@devinrekrafted6791ikr these new people in the fandom are acting like patience is the most outlandish thing in the world 😅
@devinrekrafted6791
@devinrekrafted6791 3 ай бұрын
@@Marieteflames I have several problems when it comes to what I should spend money on and I wield that power very irresponsibly.
@cynthiahatterene6739
@cynthiahatterene6739 3 ай бұрын
Im still waiting for the J merch to happen so i can throw out my simp money for her
@shiningjoot6369
@shiningjoot6369 3 ай бұрын
This is not the shiny volcanion I was promised...
@turkoositerapsidi
@turkoositerapsidi Ай бұрын
What about extra large/small one, or a shadow one?
@big_boi8849
@big_boi8849 3 ай бұрын
Bro thought he was it was dead 💀💀💀 this vid became his 4th most watched video in 4 days
@Pulse0n
@Pulse0n 3 ай бұрын
Great video. While the Murder Drones fanbase has definitely taken a massive hit as a result of the points you made, I think that the Amazing Digital Circus actually did lots of good for Murder Drones. Let's look at some analytics. The first episode of TADC was released on October 13, 2023. On that day, the Murder Drones Pilot had 23,734,297 views. Since TADC provided a boost to the entire GLITCH channel, Murder Drones also recieved a substantial boost. As of writing this comment, the Murder Drones pilot now has 36,253,478 views, which is an increase of 34.6% in 3 months. This didn't just happen to the pilot, too. Although this could be contributed to the recency of their releases, the view counts of episodes 5 and 6 have since doubled in views over the past 3 months, with the remaining episodes gaining a further 6 million views each. Before TADC released, the Murder Drones episodes were gaining about 800,000 views per month, with exceptions for newly released episodes. Now, that number has spiked to 2,000,000 views per month. While I am concerned about Murder Drones as a fandom, I am not concerned about Murder Drones as a show. The numbers back it up. Sources: "GLITCH Productions - All Video Views History (2020-2023)" by @StatisticNation on KZbin (historical video views) @GLITCH on KZbin (current video views)
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@Changingtesting
@Changingtesting 3 ай бұрын
Really like MD when I first watched the pilot the week it came out, still really love it, bought merch and everything, but never interacted with the fandom, glad I didn’t, I also for a time thought that all the popularity that TADC got was because of the success of MD. But either way im sure the show itself will still succeed, just like meta runner did when MD became popular, as for the fandom im not as sure. But as long as the shows good and most people like it than thats all that matters
@DireDuck
@DireDuck 3 ай бұрын
I do have hope that MD will rise like a phoenix when the next episode comes out I think Glitch will build the hype for it. What will be interesting to see is if Glitches new audience from TADC ends up watching MD when it comes out, and if they will stick around with TADC in the long run or will just be fair-weather fans of the current thing. Liam's section of Glitch X did have a lot more viewers than Gooses got which is something to note Though I think the second episode of TADC is planned to come out soon so we will soon see I guess
@premiumpotato1249
@premiumpotato1249 3 ай бұрын
I completely see where this is coming from (amazing video btw). But if you take the part where he says the amazing digital circus will kill it off, i found MD from the amazing digital circus, so maybe a new series is what the fanbase needs.
@FatalElixir
@FatalElixir 26 күн бұрын
in the camp episode, n states "Uzi's a kid, V, like us!" so they're likely around the same age :/ PLUS the fact that N's statement proves that drones are still kids at the ages of 18-20 (missing posters in ep 3 intro.)
@justaseal
@justaseal 3 ай бұрын
it's sad really, Murder Drones is a great show, even though it has it's very prominent and glaring issues. but the community has practically eaten itself alive from the inside. TADC came in and took Glitch by storm, and the decision to delay the finale for so long is kinda like the final nail in the coffin. obviously i'm not Glitch or Liam, but i feel like the chances of there being a second season to Murder Drones is very unlikely. i followed the show since the beginning and it's sad to see something i really like slowly dwindle and wither away
@Sebastian-bo7vj
@Sebastian-bo7vj 3 ай бұрын
At least liam might give us internecion cube episode 4
@justaseal
@justaseal 3 ай бұрын
@@Sebastian-bo7vj if only
@sakurahirawa
@sakurahirawa 3 ай бұрын
I disagree. I think it’s delayed because they want to put their all into it/because of other projects. That doesn’t mean the show is over - I’m not too sure how true it is (someone random commented it) but I heard that some of the episodes have been rewritten. Either because there will only be a season 1, or a set-up for a season 2.
@justaseal
@justaseal 3 ай бұрын
@@sakurahirawai meant that in the sense that Vanitymoth was talking about. delaying the final 2 episodes for so long has caused the hype for them to die down significantly, regardless of the reasons why they were delayed. i didn't mean it as though the show is over as a direct result of that decision
@ProbablyLoci
@ProbablyLoci 3 ай бұрын
Agreed.Also congrats on 1K
@loonable
@loonable 3 ай бұрын
Ive been watching MD since its very first teaser, i am a very very big MD fan and have somehow never heard of the controversies, i will remain in this fandom until it truly dies and is forgotten.
@Kinkuray
@Kinkuray 3 ай бұрын
Being in the young side of the murder drones fandom has a lot of upsides since you won’t go to the pedo allegations if you have a school account you basically can’t get to most of the media and if your attention is long enough and you can wait murder drones ep1-ep2 has already set my attention to where I’m not phased by a delay or a very long from now release date
@TheVoxTech
@TheVoxTech Ай бұрын
9:04 that was dumb of you to say, most murder drones fans are still here, you can be a fan of more then one thing, like i love DC and Marvel, so the murder drones fans are still here but just waiting until the 29th for the new ep, before that we cant do much else
@Dinologan1015
@Dinologan1015 3 ай бұрын
It's really sad that a great series can essentially be completely destroyed by its own Fandom. Hoping with the end of season one and the potential start of a season two things will finally settle down. Wish the show and the Fandom can get back up on it's feet again.
@irkenpony17
@irkenpony17 3 ай бұрын
My friends and I LOVE murder drones and honestly I’ve heard of the shipping between characters, but my impression was that the core drones were all teenagers. We don’t always talk about it, in fact we are more so into it whenever an episode or announcement or meme from the crew appear, and they we don’t really talk about it. It’s mostly because we focus on other things, but Episodes from stuff we love to watch or updates on game we play, or some other third thing gets us right back into it, or attention at least. We probably even look like the “dying” part of the fandom or sorts if you wanna even bunch us in that category, but the show is very much still on radar, even if like 2-3 months pass of not even talking about it or so to speak.
@Enderia2
@Enderia2 3 ай бұрын
8:50 why would someone leave a fandom for another one? I’m most certainly a part of the Zelda fandom and the MD fandom (I don’t particularly want to set my sights on the digital circus just yet, only one episode’s out) so yeah i can be part of multiple fandoms
@Some_Random_Guy-G
@Some_Random_Guy-G 2 ай бұрын
I was never aware of what was happening and as a murder drones fan artist myself I didn't ship I just drew the characters. So I was never aware that all this stuff happened. I mean I was dissapointed on V's death but I have theory that she somehow survived, it's sounds absurd but murder drones is a show that will show dead bodies and V's body was never shown. And yet I still stay!
@KhanGoatman
@KhanGoatman 3 ай бұрын
Great video btw (Also this is the third time trying bc youtube keeps deleting my comment for me for no reason) This show will always have a special place in my heart. No matter what happens, its a part of my personal teenhood and that will remain. But man i can fully argee with the points on the video. Like wars over shipping meanwhile their just some 3d models is just disgusting and depressing in my opinion. But hey it is what it is.. atleast i made a lot of friends and have a funni 6k khan account along the way.
@Jazzy_shadowsamy
@Jazzy_shadowsamy 3 ай бұрын
I actually joined the murder drones fandom just after tadc pilot aired. But I also prefer the angsty emo energy over anxious clowns who can't remember who they used to be any day. I love murder drones and I know the whole "proship" angle is forced because it happened to Hunter and Willow from the owl house. Both N and Uzi are between the ages of 19-21. Under 3 years apart. For something to be problematic it would have to be an age gap of over 5 years. I don't even think N spent long as a pillbaby before receiving his WD model, being put to work, and being killed and discarded by tessas folks maybe a week/month later so Tessa can fix him. Also the lack of timeline has me thinking the events of Copper-9 happens before that of Earth. As in Cyn wasn't the first Solver host dispite what Tessa believes. It seems like she believes Cyn is controlling everything, when it's the absolute fabric pulling the strings on it's little puppet. Maybe tadc had to take the toxic "fans" before people who really enjoy it can actually enjoy it. Idk about others, but I relate so much with N and Uzi, both loners and outcasts. Seen as cringy because of the emo lifestyle, they find eachother and learn self-worth dispite the chaos that surrounds them. It was an easy target by trolls and such, because this emo personality is a target irl. It's a show for people who don't fit in, and just wanna be cared about for who they are. Sorry, did not mean for this to get so long. Lol.
@tstorm64m66
@tstorm64m66 3 ай бұрын
2:00 on the missing posters it says the age of the missing students on them, and later in that ep its revealed that doll is killing all the prom queen contestants off so she can lure V into a trap, its safe to assume that all of the students in Uzi's year are above 18 seeing as the age of the missing students are older then 18.
@JTCF
@JTCF 3 ай бұрын
I didn't need to know about the controversy, I'll just patiently wait for the next episode.
@makeaworld9606
@makeaworld9606 3 ай бұрын
6:24 you're telling me aot killed off the main character, and everyone was OK with that but when murder drones killed a SIDE character everyone got madn
@-Not-Klee-
@-Not-Klee- Ай бұрын
People are just idiots
@RicoHelms
@RicoHelms 3 ай бұрын
It’s a robot bro, they don’t have ages. They are programmed to feel that way
@EarlMills-hh5ym
@EarlMills-hh5ym Ай бұрын
Legend says N and Uzi are still in the elevator waiting for episode 7 to come out
@Lunailee
@Lunailee 3 ай бұрын
if this fandom is truly dying. I’m going down with it. Murder drones has comforted me during some of the worst moments I felt in 2023. It has a spot in my heart that will never ever be replaced. Currently from what it looks like the fandom isn’t in a good shape. When TADC came out the murder drones fandom suddenly vanished. it’s part of the cause of the disappearance. Let’s all just hope once episode 7 comes out the fandom will come back stronger then ever.
@DocbonesEntertainment
@DocbonesEntertainment 3 ай бұрын
I was in this community since the beginning... and no matter what anyone says, no matter what happens, I have complete faith in Liam Vickers, and total loyalty to Glitch. When Murder drones ends, I will mourn, but I will never leave, never.
@Influence417
@Influence417 3 ай бұрын
I've already left since Ep 6, or 4.
@TheCycloneHunter
@TheCycloneHunter 3 ай бұрын
I don't think I can stress the insurmountable expectations being placed on episode 7 and 8. People are gonna be expecting everything out of these next two episodes after the insanely long wait, so if heaven forbid they under-deliver or end the series on a sour and depressing note, the fandom will be dead permanently. And if episode 7 especially turns out to be underwhelming, the hype for episode 8 will be basically gone. They better not mess this up.
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
Not to be rude, but the way you are talking, it sounds really entitled and threatening. You do know there’s most likely going to be a season 2 right? Not everything will or has to be solved these last two episodes, maybe more questions and sadness is necessary before a real conclusion 😅
@TheCycloneHunter
@TheCycloneHunter 3 ай бұрын
@@StarryInkArt that’s not really what I mean. I’m saying that a depressing ending, or one that leaves questions unanswered will leave a really bad taste in the mouths of the people who already had to wait so long for said finale, so it’ll most likely just alienate more people. But in the end, “bad” really just means unsatisfying, regardless of whether or not the ending is happy or sad, or leaves stuff for a second season. If the ending is unsatisfying, it will be made 10x worse by the long wait
@StarryInkArt
@StarryInkArt 3 ай бұрын
@@TheCycloneHunter oh okay understandable. But I doubt it will be unsatisfactory, due to the fact that if things aren’t answered this season or if there is a plot twist later on that will lead into season 2 it’s made to make it more intresting and hook people to what might happen next! I say let’s just see where the plot goes the next episode in a few weeks!
@TheCycloneHunter
@TheCycloneHunter 3 ай бұрын
@@StarryInkArt oh yeah, I love the show and in no way think that they'll botch the ending. but the possibility is always there...
@LambdaMiscellaneous
@LambdaMiscellaneous Ай бұрын
The drones age mentally through experience, not age. This is why the trio (N, V, J) act the same as they did in the mansion.
@catelynh1020
@catelynh1020 3 ай бұрын
I didn't pay enough attention to release dates since it can be so disappointing if they change or get canceled, so i didn't know there was an announcement for when the next ep would come out, but as long as the subscription to their channel doesn't fail me i will be watching it asap when it drops. I'm not part of the fandom but i really enjoyed the show and binged it when i first learned about it and rewatched the series when ep 6 came out. I had no idea people were upset by this
@goosey_jooce
@goosey_jooce 3 ай бұрын
“Uzis a kid, just like us V!” - N, episode 4.
@lime_console
@lime_console 3 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@waterbottleeeeee
@waterbottleeeeee 2 ай бұрын
I’ve been searching for someone saying this lol
@asgacc8789
@asgacc8789 2 ай бұрын
🤮
@cherylkealey4831
@cherylkealey4831 2 ай бұрын
Good save N
@cherylkealey4831
@cherylkealey4831 2 ай бұрын
Good save N
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