The solution to the Nadu problem.

Magic: The Gathering Arena deck tech & gameplay with a blue/green or Simic control deck, featuring Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student from Modern Horizons 3 as commander in Brawl.
Patreon: / legenvd
00:00 - Intro
01:55 - Deck Tech
08:08 - vs Disa, the Restless
19:48 - vs Nadu, Winged Wisdom
21:52 - vs Rashmi, Eternities Crafter
25:27 - vs The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride
35:19 - vs Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student
41:10 - vs Nadu, Winged Wisdom
44:33 - vs Pantlaza, Sun-Favored
50:55 - vs Mythweaver Poq
53:54 - vs Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim
56:04 - vs Amalia Benavides Aguirre
58:57 - vs Nadu, Winged Wisdom
Decklist:
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"Movement Proposition" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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[@CyberBuster93]

The Nadu player scooping the moment their commander is countered is the exact type of behavior I'd expect from Nadu players.

[@marcusanthony9322]

if you can't get Nardu down the deck is essentially dead

[@puraneshi]

they could just be grinding daily wins... one of the problems of impersonal games.

[@Finnigan28]

The fact that it was countered with mana drain plays an important factor. I hate that card as much as I hate Nadu. In timeless, it should be restricted

[@marcusanthony9322]

@@Finnigan28 Its litterally the best counter spell in the game

[@xaverganglbauer1087]

​@@marcusanthony9322Force of will

[@germanbrandeburgo5925]

What an interesting monoblue Simic deck.

[@AuratticStride]

First deck I've seen on this channel where the win conditions seems to be draw cards until the opponent rage quits

[@garretteeny1102]

Luca, it was an honor to play against you and it is an honor to be featured in your video. GG!

[@LegenVD]

Thanks for the game!

[@matthewpatton9221]

@@LegenVD I didn't realize that your IGN was just Legend. Figured the V would be in there. I played you the other day, Murders Judith against Tamiyo, and said, "Legend eh? We'll see about that." Too funny.

[@LegenVD]

@@matthewpatton9221 Don’t recall facing Judith so might have been someone else with the same name.

[@DukaM757]

Nadu and Tamiyo should both be in hell queue and play versus one another, they have same game plan, counter few things, play soliter afterwards. As a player who's been exhausted from standard I really enjoyed getting into brawl. However, lately, unless I play a meta deck in brawl I feel like I can't compete versus these monsters of commanders. Thank you for the video LVD, hope you have fun at magic con!

[@budaclees233]

Brawl has turned into play blue or a cheese combo. I'm glad I have enough high power cards now to make high power decks, but it'd be really nice if i could just enjoy playing casual decks without getting rofl stomped by extra turn tribal.

[@dustin918]

I actually stopped playing Nadu since the last update about 75% of my games are mirror matches. I just don’t like mirror matches no matter who my commander is 😂 I wouldn’t mind hell queue

[@slaphappy-qb3jb]

It's such a shame that basically all of arena is "spend a bunch of money and/or time and build the most hell queue meta deck possible, or lose". If you enjoy wonky shit or deck building tough, you're basically not allowed to have fun in arena

[@marcusanthony9322]

They will but it takes about 6 months for them to migrate

[@danielstein8769]

I don't think it's essentially an arena problem, even though some improved social features could help. Commander/brawl are casual formats but since it's just people trying to play games on the toilet you just get people playing decks that end or run away with the game on turn 3. These are formats that only work with the people playing agreeing on power level or the format sucks. When people just want to win for rewards you are just going to have people netdecking the most busted shit

[@MattTorres]

Looking forward to the alchemy Nadu to fix its weakness: "as long as this card is in your graveyard when any spell you control is targeted, draw a card an play a land".

[@muhammadrafi4723]

Jim Davis made a shorts on how to fix Nadu, he sounds more incensed at the fact it doesn't die to Lightning Bolt rather than it has busted ability lmao

[@TsujiCross]

47:30 good to note that you could’ve tapped both Clue tokens for Rebuke, as Clue tokens don’t have to be tapped to be activated 54:27 Could also have transformed Tamiyo by cracking the Clue here if you wanted, as it’d have been your third card drawn after Explore

[@mightyhulk1483]

He said he wanted to keep up spell pierce, it’s a viable option. The first one was an oversight though I think the new maps messed him up

[@TsujiCross]

Ah, I see 👍

[@macksmith2893]

I see a lot of these tamiyo decks NOT playing green, which is baffling. they only play blue for draw and counters but instant speed ramp seems like a no brainer

[@MidgarMerc]

That first opponent is just trying to keep Modern Jund alive

[@TheDailyMeh]

I was thinking this deck was light on wincons but i guess making the opponent concede is a wincon too

[@joserodrigorivera5869]

Love that you're doing so much Brawl content, even if it's with super busted commanders. Keep it up!

[@juniorceccon]

so counter spells tribal when playing against nadu... noted

[@pr0fess0rbadass]

Yeah, this isn't really an anti-Nadu deck. It's an anti-anything deck

[@CyberBuster93]

I love absolutely LOVE to see how your awesome mind would make a Disaz the Restless deck! That was the only deck I bought from MH3 and that's because I'm a huge fan of Jund in any format! Genuinely my favorite 3 color combination in MTG! I just want to make Reid Duke proud of me 🫡 More eternal words have never rung true: "When in doubt, Jund 'em out!" 🤘

[@starmanda88]

I invoke Reid’s name every time I play that precon. It’s just the best boomer jund and hits me right in the feels.

[@DanyF02]

59:42 Tamiyo: *attacks* Goose: *stares menacingly* Tamiyo: *silently backs away* Goose: "Yeah that's what I thought."

[@vivianphillips7298]

I love how hitting Tamiyo's ult is the main wincon, but when you do actually manage it, the Arena interface of having that many cards in hand makes it so incredibly clunky. Really relies on that scoop button.

[@CyberBuster93]

Been loving the Brawl content, Luca! Appreciate you a ton!! 💕🤘

[@MHM21999]

Wahoo brawl

[@marklussier3249]

Awesome deck. When first watching this I immediately purchased a few paper copies of Tamiyo to add to my Superfriends and other edh decks I have. Very nice card to have. I am even going to try and build and edh with her as commander. As always a pleasure watching you and listening to your strategies and knowledge Luca ! :)

[@electric_dream_machine]

Magic players: *ask for Nadu and Tamiyo ban* Me asking for Kinnan ban since Ikoria: First time?

[@rasumbrado7724]

Always looking forward to ur brawl content lvd!!!

[@CristianCiotti]

I've found the the good old Acererak/paradox Engine combo works pretty well against Nadu. It can often outpace and win first. Stupid deck to beat a stupid deck.

[@MrCyberGal]

So much Brawl content!

[@p0rtugazz]

New rusko xD The solution is to Ban Nadu and Grenzo .

[@astuteanansi4935]

I feel like a couple of Field of Ruin effects might still be needed because it's not just manlands, this deck is also so weak to Cavern that if one hits the battlefield you might as well scoop

[@LegenVD]

I bring it up during the video 😉

[@mantidream8179]

Nadu is like the head of a snake. Without him, the deck has no teeth.

[@henricocampos]

25:10 How do you win a game with this deck? (especially after drawing so many cards) I've been looking through the cards and can't find a quickly way except by playing Uro from the graveyard and attacking. Is there a combo that I have not seen?

[@LegenVD]

I address your concerns in the outro of the video 😉

[@henricocampos]

​​​@@LegenVDThanks for the reply! At that time i didn't got into the outro. Sorry. I was thinking in making Tamiyo to play EDH, that's why I asked. I don't know if my opponents will concede often as they do in the Arena.

[@LegenVD]

@@henricocampos Definitely an important distinction! Although in multiplayer it will be quite a bit harder to ultimate Tamiyo so keep that in mind.

[@henricocampos]

@@LegenVD haha yes! I imagine players have a lot of response or even atacking Tamiyo. But seems a interesting commander that has sinergy with artifatcs and could have a lot of proliferate effects.

[@Say_Tin]

At 18:20, I think you could have chosen Wizard's Retort for Sheoldred and still have Cyclonic Rift up afterward during their turn

[@theoceanman8687]

Quick question: Are these Commander decks you build mainly for MTG online, or can they work in a 4 player setting?

[@LegenVD]

They are optimized for 1v1, but most will translate quite well to multiplayer, especially with some small tweaks. This one is maybe an exception as it’s harder to protect a Planeswalker when there are multiple opponents that can stop you.

[@JohnDoe-xk2sj]

The bad UI design when having or choosing from lots of cards was a problem for this game since the day one and the devs did not even had the common sense to allow a timeout for navigating the crappiness the UI exponentially proportional to the number of cards. Today, with so much emphasis on the digital experience of the Arena and the awesomeness of the Arena exclusive Alchemy cards I even more fail to see why this UI for paper-like experience is still here. They have put a lot of effort in useless cosmetic features while ignoring the most basic features of the game. It was an awesome deck and play and I apologize for using this occasion to point out the above details. Already did this on the Wizards feedback channels and felt like a waste of my time...

[@matthewpatton9221]

It's really bad on mobile. I learned to keep my hand clean when popping off to avoid timing out while trying to grab any playable card. Discarding is insane. I try to select a card and it just moves back and forth. It takes a full time out to select 3 or 4.

[@PunchyMcNoggin]

14:30 Looks like Mishra’s Bauble isn’t interacting with Shadow of the Second Sun correctly. You should only draw one card on that extra beginning phase since it is still the same turn. The bauble draw should happen on the opponents upkeep since that is the next turn.

[@louisnemzer6801]

WoTC watching LVD's Nadu video: He's right, we've got to ban it WoTC watching this video: NM

[@dmcdante1991]

Not sure I understand the win condition outside of hoping your opponent concedes from annoyance? ELI5?

[@lukelaw13ll]

That very genuinely is the main win condition. The two other wincons mentioned in the video are: include a few big creatures that can finish the job after drawing half your library (Uro and hull breaker horror come to mind), using your counter spells to protect them, or including a thassas oracle package (use something like Seagate restoration after ulting Tamiyo to draw the rest of your deck when thassas oracle or Jace weilder of mysteries is on the field to win by drawing from an empty library)

[@adedamolayusuff5995]

Yay. Been waiting for this.

[@RW77777777]

green has a few tutors for Cavern of Souls or you can tutor for the Halfling losing to Mana Drain is like losing to Dark Ritual

[@bywvwh7166]

17:30 and you just start cooking man, hot dog.

[@munsterotaku3058]

The Tamiyo mirror was... something. the "removal" on blue are top peek removal 47:26 nothing stop you to tap 2 clue to improvise: they are not treasure. the only cost are paying 2 mana, not tapping them for the activation cost

[@lukelaw13ll]

I think the reason he said that was actually because if he didn't tap the clue and instead tapped 3 lands he wouldn't have had the mana to sac one of his clues, but it is easily interpreted in the way that you did

[@mr.marker6449]

At least Nadu gives a common enemy

[@EdgarB.Wilson]

counterspell tribal is very no fun to play against. when your gameplan is that the opponent has no gameplan. very frustrating but effective i assume. would really like to watch some draft, but the ones here i watched almost all multiple times. is there a recommendation for a similar kind of content? i know it is much to ask and i dont expect it but most magic content seems inferior in gameplay and decisionmaking and explaining the thought process is usually never part of it so.. thanks :)

[@BluesJayPrince]

I actually think your Sorin deck does reasonably well against the Nadu players

[@sfox84]

Does anyone remember when Legend made standard decks? Pepperidge farm remembers.

[@LegenVD]

It’s Standard rotation waiting room, so just a little more patience and you’ll get a ton of new Standard content!

[@burke1jd]

Dr. Ruckus is still playing arena, what a shame he left streaming.

[@ingolf82]

How do you actually win the game? Assuming the opponent doesn't scoop when you ult her? there is no Thassa's oracle or anything in the deck, so what actually wins you the game? Oh I see, you explain at the end. yeah, I would include a win package for after you draw half your deck, you want a win condition, especially if you play regular commander vs 3 other players.

[@irreleverent]

Discarding Yavimaya Coast when every other land in your hand is functionally identical and you have Utter Insignificance in play did some real psychic damage to me.

[@dannydoomno1]

it does damage to you

[@irreleverent]

@@dannydoomno1 he had twelve billion colored sources. He would never need to tap it for colored mana. It could be a waste and it's still be better than the islands in his hand at the time.

[@NeonPixels81]

I play the equally toxic Rusko so Nadu hasn't really been a problem for me, in most cases he never even hits the board and they scoop.

[@TheViralMC]

Garretteeny had answers like this was a ranked mythic lol

[@nosyamthegreat8768]

47:40 clues dont tap tho?

[@LegenVD]

True, I keep forgetting since all other tokens do.

[@nosyamthegreat8768]

@@LegenVD yea thats fair. too many tokens at this point lol

[@thunderwashington255]

You were supposed to destroy the sith, not join them!

[@lsouza2204]

In the end everybody concede but i want to know how to win with this deck.

[@vumasster]

Uro beats would do it. If you really need another wincon you can include WAR Jace or Thassa’s oracle

[@christophwhiteyz9787]

There are like 1.5 win conditions in the deck but most opponents scoop when tamiyo ults with 50 counter spells up and wilderness recreation up. If I ran the deck id run a hull breaker horror and couple strong beat down lands and put some opponents out of there misery.

[@argosbrave6415]

19 counterspells, lol... Remember when Grenzo was the big boss? What has Brawl become

[@smashmusique]

I don't even know how the deck wins... each game the players just conceded. Even if he draws half his deck, there is almost nothing that does damage

[@christophwhiteyz9787]

Common just add like hall of storm giants lair of hydra and like a hull breaker horror and have some decency.

[@OSTadicto]

Lucas, I love you but sometimes you make it so hard LoL

[@khanhsink7965]

ah yes,a counter to a busted simic deck is another busted simic deck

[@marcelofrmo]

Omg, they made the impossible! They made Tamiyo look ugly.

[@cesarponce9536]

no vd =( clues dont tap

[@ryanwesneski5359]

Auto concede

[@alonsocarrasco5460]

Personally I play Rashmi instead, it frees so much space not needing that many card draw spells. Edit: Oh wow one pro blue uncounterable green fatty and you are done, I'd advise Mystic Reflection. Also, the scry 2 draw 1 that copies itself with a wizard in play would be better than f. e. Chart a Course in this deck.

[@LegenVD]

Intentionally left that one out since I’m not a fan of the rebalanced alchemy cards.

[@hebercluff1665]

I'd rather play against nadu than this deck. Having basically every counter spell in the game isn't a fun way to play. I'd rather lose against nadu than simply not have fun.

[@slaphappy-qb3jb]

I mean nowadays in arena you basically have to play this kind of deck or you just lose to everything. It's either the most net decked hell queue shit that is even more bullshit than this, or this. It's a symptom of the community refusing to allow fun

[@alexanderficken9354]

but its hilarious

[@thesadseal2electricboogalo597]

Found the Nadu player

[@hebercluff1665]

@@thesadseal2electricboogalo597 good guess, but not this time. I like playing mono green, or selesnya colors.

[@zer0faults]

The solution to Nadu is to be a toxic player. Ruin everyone's day. *starts wringing the bells* Shame. Shame. Shame.

[@Nuclearsunburn2]

Simic commanders are just horrid.

[@JohnSmith-rr3jt]

So the answer to Nadu is the other Nadu... I'd rather just not play lol. MTG really has gone to shit over the last few releases.

[@EggsAreGood55]

Honestly I have revolved completely back around to standard at this point. Big shame because brawl use to consistently be fun but now it is a whole bunch of B.S. I have faith though that rotation plus bloomburrow is going to make standard pretty interesting.

[@slaphappy-qb3jb]

It's not MTG, it's arena. At local card shops you can still have fun, build wonky stuff, play fun commander games and drafts, but arena is just all try hard sweat all the time. No fun allowed.

[@bananatlw]

this and nadu are the only decks played, boring af brawl matches

[@Moop321]

Yall gotta stop complaining about brawl meta. Ive been playing a lot of different decks, and i win with all of them against lots of decks. My Nissa, Ascended Animist deck wins almost every game, and same with the double mana Nissa. If you arent standing a chance against the meta decks, its because you built a deck that just durdles around. Sure, Nadu is a good commander, but its not unbeatable. Same with Tamiyo

[@maciek19882]

Final solution to Nadu question

[@ryespelt1110]

Bro 💀💀💀

[@shepplaysdayz1747]

Sad that to beat the most annoying deck in brawl you need to play and 2nd most annoying.

[@Enja_Near]

The brawl meta is now Nadu (Simic value pile) Kinnan (Simic value pile) tamiyo (counterspell tribal) and Malcolm (counterspell tribal) Fun stuff.

[@neevehacham848]

WE WANT MORE ELDRAZI Pwease Daddy Luca! UwU

[@huydang7313]

So the solution is to play an even more obnoxious deck, got it.

[@k3rr3k]

I understand you are trying to grow the channel but mid video advertisements for something 99% of us aren't attending is kind of annoying. I don't mind at the beginning or end.

[@LegenVD]

It’s an announcement, I’m not selling you anything! Kept it short for that reason.

[@ronaldkalisvaart2076]

@@LegenVDI’ll be attending. Thanks for the heads up. Hope to meet you there 😃

[@ronaldkalisvaart2076]

Oh no. I see that our ticketed play event (Collector sealed Outlaws of Thunder Junction) is at the exact same time as your meet & greet… 😢 Too bad. But, I wish you a great day today! Your MtG content is the best! ❤

[@CounttankuIa]

42 seconds and no views? bro really fell off.