The Sony Playstation 3 - The "Unhackable" Console | MVG

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From its launch in 2006, this is the story about how the Sony Playstation 3, dubbed the first "unhackable" console with the first 4 years of its lifecycle, was completely defeated by the start of 2011 and what homebrew developers were capable of doing on the system.
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[@NeonfxGraphics]

You should never call your products "unhackable" because that's like going straight up to a hacker and asking to hack it.

[@OfficialDJSoru]

and that's bad cause? I'm still waiting for my SuperSlim to be CFW-able since the fat one kicked the bucket with a YLOD.

[@HackedGlitch265]

I'd be fine swinging an axe at it. Oh wait, that's not what you meant? My bad.

[@sinterklaas9473]

A

[@jbmark8473]

@@OfficialDJSoru Eyo! We got HEN for Super Slims! Technically not a complete cfw. But now we have homebrew support.

[@glossedghost]

@@OfficialDJSoru Not particularly bad, just very enticing.

[@sock2828]

"the main weakness was in the random number code generation. Which gave the exact same result every time" OMEGALUL

[@Fleshlight_Reviewer]

Wait that ain't random

[@Sora-o]

@@Fleshlight_Reviewer no way?

[@Pokycraftgamer9]

Gud

[@luisgonzalez5482]

Johnisa where the sauce at

[@MostlyPennyCat]

That's not quite how it worked. So, on every disk there's some code which needs to be signed. You read the code, take the secret code from the safe at Sony and do the signing maths. Then you write the sign to the disk. You can verify the code using the keys in the PS3. However, you're not supposed to use the same private key every time, there's actually two keys, one is supposed to be in a safe, one is random. They didn't randomise the other secret key. So, because you have the signature for, say, a thousand games and because they were all signed by the same key, you can now reduce the number of guesses of what the key in the safe is. And because it's always the same number!? Suddenly the number of possibilities guess from a number that's larger than the number of particles in the universe to something you can brute force crack with a few computers. If they had just changed the number every time, every signed game would have pointed to a different secret number and you would never have guessed it.

[@ameyas7726]

So PS3 was "unhackable" just as much as Titanic was "unsinkable"!

[@sketchesofpayne]

The Titanic was never called "unsinkable" until the media frenzy after it sank. Proof that sensationalist journalism is a constant in society.

[@panzerdragon1121]

The titanic was "Technically Unsinkable" meaning that in the most common accidents that had been happening at the wouldn't sink her. Everyone knew she could be sunk, it was just hard to do so.

[@MrPkmngmr]

@@panzerdragon1121 exactly, like the PS3

[@panzerdragon1121]

@@MrPkmngmr White Star Line never claimed Titanic was Unsinkable. Sony claimed the PS3 was unhackable.

[@MrPkmngmr]

@@panzerdragon1121 allow me to rephrase that: The PS3 was "Technically Unhackable" meaning in the most common exploits that can be done couldn't hack it. Everyone knew it could be hack, it was just hard to do so.

[@locuscades1906]

I had someone literally yelling at me telling me you couldn't hack a ps3, as I chatted back from a hacked ps3.

[@locuscades1906]

@Kleiner Helfer Its strictly informational. You hack honestly, you hack successfully. Let them know, "I hacked it." And then write a book.

[@locuscades1906]

@Kleiner Helfer I don't know hacking, but I respect it.

[@locuscades1906]

@@Churdington Then perhaps you should try console.

[@locuscades1906]

@@Churdington I just like plug and play. Lol

[@gh0stdem0n666]

@@Churdington "a cOnSolE iS DuMb dOwN pC" a damn console is made to play just video games you idiot. A pc is for various things. Its not like graphics make shitty game more fun.

[@DungarooTV]

Ironically, for an "unhackable" PS3, it has some of the best homebrew and hacks ever for any console.

[@imdeadblooder]

They did it very good.

[@mazellovvv]

Best Homebrew on PS Vita. 😎

[@ahmedmukhtar9121]

I swear

[@randoschannel3801]

That title goes to the Wii and the Vita

[@magnawaves]

Never would have guessed from the "unhackable" in the title of the video

[@NighT-WolF85]

Two things every Developer has to learn: 1. Everything can be hacked. It's just a matter of time. 2. Regardless how good you and your team are, the Community can do it better.

[@creativekakensa]

Have iphones, macs been hacked too?

[@brandonselitetv1436]

@@creativekakensa yeah All the time

[@MischieviousJirachi]

@@creativekakensa Yes dude? Was that a serious question?

[@raizo856]

kakensa ronald macs? lol user has / acess

[@andreasrs69]

Well the PS3 super slim still isn’t hacked. You can run homebrew but it’s not fully unlocked.

[@OmegaSaurus]

*sees the title * *turns arround to see my old modded PS3 * Huh...

[@Tom-cx6vh]

Me too lmao

[@StreetTaco]

I wanna succ on some tittle

[@t5ey1]

Same lmao

[@luckylubis_]

Modded ps3 brings tons of fun, you can play ps2 and ps1 games on ps3, but the damn ylod always kill my ps3

[@BADVlBES]

Lucky Lubis ylod?

[@Saerthen]

As far as I remember, the true downfall of PS3 "unhackability" began immediately after the releasing Playstation Slim without OtherOS. Before that, most of the hackers were concentrating on how to access GPU from OtherOS. So, it was a good diversion on their side; they just didn't understand it in time.

[@LAG09]

OtherOS wasn't a Linux distro, it was a feature that, as the name suggests, allowed other operating systems to be installed, the most common one being Yellow Dog Linux. The "hacking" going on under Linux wasn't for piracy, but to allow alternative Linux to access the GPU properly as Sony had promised them this, but failed to deliver. In reality Sony promised more to the OtherOS community than they were prepared to actually deliver and when Geohot decided to get involved and lend a helping hand Sony simply shit themselves because of his reputation. The shady "Oh and we're removing OtherOS so any space you've got allocated to it will become lost until you format the HDD" at the end of the patch notes for 3.21 wasn't even the worst Sony did. They basically got the police to run a drug raid on his house, including a SWAT team that broke down the door as he was sleeping. He woke up to being yelled at with guns pointed at him and after that had to watch as Sony lawyers confiscated all of his devices and hard drives. At the same time they also sued him in civil court and eventually forced him to sign an agreement where he agreed to never again try to reverse engineer Sony products. They flat out told him they're going ruin him trough spurious civil lawsuits if he didn't sign that agreement. This is what spurred people so heavily to break open the PS3 so heavily and then the PS4 after that.

[@CrazyInWeston]

In part, Sony were at first trying to promise on their claim, that it could be used as PC because they failed on their original promise of claiming that the PS2 could be used exactly like one. Edit: What I mean is, that Sony claimed that the PS2 IS a computer, however the markets outside Japan rejected to recognise it as one as there are differing critera to what consitutes a computer in Japan vs rest of the world, so they made the option of actually installing an OS system available on the PS3 at first to try and deliver their claim based on the rejection of the PS2.

[@RandomGuyScrollingDown445]

So heavily

[@renakunisaki]

Yep, between that, the rootkits, the Lik-Sang fiasco, and their general greed, I haven't bought a Sony product in 12 years.

[@peterbealand6641]

@@CrazyInWeston ps2 had linux also

[@SimonBauer7]

karma is a bitch i guess

[@animeman1000]

"Even in 2018 you can still buy a 3.55 equipped PS3 on eBay very easily without too much trouble." Very easily? Yes. Fairly priced? Hell naw!! lmao

[@Fuckyouphilip]

FYI you can jailbreak your current PS3 sitting on 4.8.x google it.

[@blakegriffin172]

I got one this week. £20 + £7 shipping. I've put CFW on it already. It was on 3. something OFW. It wasn't advertised as being lower than 4.8 but the fact it was is just a bonus to me. Means I dont have to buy games

[@animeman1000]

@@blakegriffin172 Cool. Lucky you.

[@AirshBornely]

I'm lucky I bought one from a seller back in July of 2018 before the newest firmware came out.

[@tomasdelizia3695]

Well worry no more!

[@user-wj9xq7ig2v]

I think Microsoft has done a very clever thing allowing dev mode on the Xbox one. Evidently there is a very large community that loves to see what else a console can do and this is an excellent way to allow this without having to work around security. The reverse if this happened here with the ps3. They took this ability away and the community was highly motivated to take action.

[@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI]

Dev mode is locked down now, RIP

[@YouTubeCensors]

@@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI lies, still there, its why XS consoles are beastly Emulator machines

[@nitrobear]

@@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI it's not

[@ClokworkGremlin]

FailOverflow's presentation basically revealed the *only* reason the PS3 was "unhackable" was because the OtherOS feature made attempting to hack the system uninteresting. The moment they took that away, they put a giant red target on their backs, with every console modding team in the world wanting a piece of the action. That, and they earned the ire of several of their own users for outright lying to us. 2008: "We will not remove OtherOS via a software update." 2009: *removes OtherOS via a software update." After that, you basically can't trust another word out of Sony representatives' mouths.

[@Vanity0666]

It was really crazy for me when they did it because they sold the ps3 on the promise of allowing non-proprietary operating systems on the console specifically Linux and then just suddenly pretended like it never happened

[@kittbluevenom2384]

Sony: The PlayStation 3 is unmoddable, so don't even try it. Modders: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

[@nliberty]

Sony: shet

[@ahmadmoemen]

Hen: bukbukbakaaAAAAAK.

[@dexis476]

Im a modder

[@dustinrutledge3084]

Yeah, jailbreaking ps3 is easy lmaoo

[@dexis476]

Tsukuyomi X Excel How tf am i gonna do that

[@hanslanda7319]

Gabe says "PS3 is a waste of everyone's time" Gabe then proceeds to announce Steam Box

[@FarukTTA]

Hans Landa he didint say that consoles is a waste of time

[@grproteus]

Ask the game companies who lost millions because they had to redesign their game for ps3, instead of simply porting it. If you don't know about the industry, don't make fun of the people who do.

[@hanslanda7319]

@@grproteus if you say so champ, so was the steam box a massive success? 87.4 million PS3 sold, seems like a massive success to me. How many steam boxes sold? Only ask as you obviously have the knowledge and I have no clue.

[@grproteus]

​@@hanslanda7319 Comparing PS3 with a failed product (that is not a console per se) does not mean PS3 is a good product. Compare PS3 with Steam PCs instead. Or, if you care to USE YOUR BRAIN for a while, consider the argument here: PS3 destroyed the gamedev market, companies shut down because of it. This is why PS3 was an abysmal product. If you want to compare sales, compare it to its peers. It was outsold be both the Xbox 360 and the Wii. It had the worst game catalog on the market, and it came after the hugely successful PS2. So yeah, it was an abysmal product because it destroyed developers and it was also a failed product because it didn't sell as good as XBox 360 and the Wii. That covers it imho.

[@mikem9536]

@@grproteus Yes, Thankfully Sony learned their lesson with the PS4.

[@blondbassist]

A backwards compatible PS3 with custom firmware is unstoppable, Play PS1,2&3 games on one system, run games from the internal hard drive and all over NAtive 1080p upscaled HDMI!

[@RisingRevengeance]

The PS2 emulator on the Slim is actually fairly good too. I haven't any issues with the isos I've thrown at it.

[@VentusvsVantias]

Wrong. Compatibility is pretty mixed for PS2. It's about 50% or less. Just the latest wiki.

[@darkmagiciangirl573]

@blondbassist assuming you're talking about cecha01, the only REAL backwards compatible model, at around 98%, it's very very easy to just have it die. you're going to want to buy a 19 blade fan, replace the thermal paste under the cpu lid, meaning you need to delid, replace both areas of thermal paste, even then, if you want longevity you're probably going to have to gut a ceche01 for its superior fan and heatsink, as it isn't concave. then webman should be configured to bring the fans speed up whenever it reaches 80 Celsius just saying, those things need maintanance. @qatar bashtar you're wrong, its 98% on a cecha01 when you use the ps2 system files from psn, as they fix the issue with final fantasy 12. it's about 70-80% playable on a ceche01 but it's hit and miss, most have issues with interlacing, graphics, and lag, but it's still completely playable. also wrong about the slims, its probably around 60-70% now thanks to managunz and a few other tweaking programs, it is probably going to be hovering up there next to the ceche01 if development on it continues, making that model irrelevant soon. if only it were possible to direct boot a ps2 disc with rebug, impossible, but we can always dream.

[@dcard228]

Mine isn't backwards compatible and I play 1, 2 & 3. The emulation is pretty good. All PS1 games and most PS1 games run flawlessly and more run with .CONFIG files.

[@dcard228]

@@VentusvsVantias it's definitely more than 50%

[@fedro168]

Me: gets PS3 as a present 2 weeks later: ps4 official announced

[@gouthamsuresh5672]

that happend to me one month before ps4 came out😂😂

[@unknownboi8683]

F

[@malekabumojeh8758]

Shit, same thing happened to me

[@Chabarnacle]

Tbh this is the best moment to get a console, the good games are already out, and it's getting cheaper It only really sucks if you play online and your game's community doesn't stick around I got my PS3 a year after the PS4 came out and I don't regret at all, good console, tho I got the PS4 this christmas and this one I regret mostly because I built my gaming PC in October, so it was totally unnecessary

[@Unwanted.A7X]

its better that not having a console at all :)

[@freman]

I'd argue that by removing linuxos they pissed off a bunch of very smart, determined, people who were happy up until that point to poke around. My ps3 still has otheros, is jailbroken, has an upgraded hdd loaded with 'backups' but I don't think I've turned it on since I did that, I just did it out of spite.

[@epicbread1310]

"backups" lol

[@campkira]

jail brake only get though the system but firemware do get update and you had to endless getting jailbrake for that problem... and big company had hard time dealing with fixing firmware and you expect some low skill hacker can do it for free... come on now... it work for a while and you end up the same..

[@abhay17381]

@@campkira I've had a jailbroken PS3 since 2014,what are you talking about?

[@Overfl0w_grrrl]

Hey, what site are you using to download """Linux ISOs"""" ?

[@freman]

@@campkira hasn't been a problem for me.

[@garrynewby1442]

The only games console worthy of being called unhackable is the Sega Saturn it took over 20 years for someone to actually by pass it's security

[@orpheus2006]

Yes i saw that video too. 20 years still the champion..... Sega.

[@hiddenmaster6534]

Everything is hackable, even biological entities :D

[@jameswatson5807]

@@hiddenmaster6534 DNA

[@sketchesofpayne]

Well, there wasn't a whole lot of motivation to hack it. No one was clamoring for a Sega Saturn homebrew scene, and it didn't have that many exclusive titles.

[@Anthonybrother]

But it's not because it's security was good, it's because nobody cared about the sega saturn.

[@EposVox]

This might sound weird, but boy am I glad you make videos like this.

[@ModernVintageGamer]

not weird at all , these events need to be preserved. thanks for watching as always my dude!

[@RETSZTIRF]

fuck nows hes self aware

[@sergeoperu]

EposVox yeah that was interesting

[@EposVox]

Yep. I own virtually every console in existence from the 90s til now, am a "fan" of mostly all of them, play all them evenly, played the 360 more than the PS3 during its lifespan and now primarily only play PC games for modern titles. But "Sony fanfag" is clearly super accurate. You got me, I'll remember that while playing games on machines that were never made by Sony. Grow up, drop the homophobic language and then maybe we can talk about brand biases.

[@707Tyree]

I used to “mod” using the 4.82 exploit but I most definitely miss playing the games ps4 doesn’t have like bo2. I wish ps3 wasn’t like it is now

[@GreeNe2k6]

I won one at a school party in 06, great system.

[@Sebastian-sl8tk]

Who the hell gave the ps3?

[@unknownboi8683]

@@Sebastian-sl8tk His school

[@Sebastian-sl8tk]

@@unknownboi8683 I can agree with that, but like the teachers gave it? Because those teachers would be the coolest ones.

[@unknownboi8683]

@@Sebastian-sl8tk ok

[@eric_t123]

What kind of schools did you go too? The best thing I got was a damn pencil case

[@noahkrause2835]

PS3 isn't dead. it's been discontinued but the online presence is greatly still there!

[@AchwaqKhalid]

#RPCS3 😎 🚬

[@MauroDiaz1991]

THought the same when heard him say that. lol

[@lukakrog]

*insert thank you gif here*

[@noahkrause2835]

@@AchwaqKhalid RPCS3?

[@AchwaqKhalid]

@@noahkrause2835 Yupe! A PS3 emulator that actually works 😎 🚬 (Not all games are fully playable yet) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWHadopuiNSIedk

[@redsyrup1138]

Every time you mentioned the word 'unhackable' I couldn't help but chuckle. The hacking scene cares more about problem/puzzle solving than playing games itself or piracy. I don't think the majors can ever satiate that puzzle solving addiction. The best they can do is hire them or help them find work that pushes their skills.

[@edstar83]

"The "Unhackable" Console" sounds like a challenge for every hacker on the planet. Good job Sony.

[@ShaferHart]

For the ps5 they should release a game about killing Kim Jung Un

[@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854]

Still no one play Sony exclusives on PC. The cracked ps3 games looks shit, 5fps and 360p and game sometimes freezes.

[@steelbear2063]

@@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854 A lot of exclusives eventually come to PC. Out of recent ones Horizon Zero Dawn comes to mind. PC Master Race

[@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854]

@@steelbear2063 Still xbox fans want to see The Last Of Us part 1 comes out on Xbox. Horizon is Sony's attempt to lure xbox gamers to PS consoles.

[@bonkgameing]

@@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854 yakuza Ishin, persona 5, last of us all work well emulated on pc, yeah I know ishin is a Japanese exclusive, but it truly is a beautiful game with amazing cutscenes that runs incredibly well. Most if not all of the PS3 emulated games have 60fps patches and have texture scaling. Try searching them up

[@hdofu]

Hackers: we defeated all of your security... Sony: not all *brings in lawyers * we’re suing you and everyone who hacked the system!

[@Wolfen_II]

The true endgame

[@iamkestrel]

Hackers: but y o u the one said it is unhackable, so that mean you're challenging us

[@ash_ade1063]

*Microsoft has entered the chat*

[@itsKNR]

@@ash_ade1063 Geohot: *starts his Webcam to make a rap song about ps3* whole Media explodes and he becomes a hero...

[@XENON2028]

@@ash_ade1063 microsoft destroys sony then proceeds to destroy the hackers

[@jerrys.8003]

I only got $10 from that lawsuit

[@SageReiger]

Same! I thought it would've been around $60, but I guess not.

[@RealDarkFilm]

my mom was literally about to throw my check away lol

[@lindah6954]

$10.17 lol. Better then nothing.

[@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr]

The lawyers got 50$ of the $60, all you got was the change that was left over from the bill for the lawyers fighting for it. Some smart lawyers knew it would be money up in the air that they could get most of and proceeded with the class action suit. There is law firms that watch the market for these types of corporate screw ups that can be turned into huge profit.

[@boredfartless4221]

@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr So the action was to milk a company so the Freemason lawyers could wet their beak

[@SonicMastr500s]

The PSVITA is now FULLY exploited with a firmware downgrader now. You should do a video about that

[@Mrdanieljerez]

yessssssssss

[@richycline]

I just bought a Vita last week. I would probably learn a lot from a video about it by MVG.

[@WelshDdraig]

I love my hacked PS Vita :) That being said, I also loved my hacked PSP. Emulators on the go. That was fun.

[@VividBagels]

ass, I gave mine away a year ago

[@BrekMartin]

Interesting. I was into homebrew when the first PSP came out. Version 1.0 of you were super early.

[@im.a.nickel]

Completely forgot to mention PS3Xploit and the awesome CFWs out there.

[@qapaMcFly]

I agree however as a guy who remembers Geohot, his lawsuit and just the scene at the time, i really appreciated that someone took the time and told that story very nicely. It could be little bit longer tho hehe :)

[@suli559]

I don't think he forgot, I think he didn't mention it on purpose

[@smtlego]

I’m mostly surprised nobody is mentioning Rebug CFW, which is compatible with version 4.82 (latest update available). Not only that, but it requires no hardware to install since it uses a WebKit based exploit. I’ve been using it for around a year now and have yet to see anything I can’t do on it that can be done on 3.55. Rebug supports everything including MultiMan, webman, Movian and has a built in toolbox to mess with the hardware.

[@moistlama4047]

@@smtlego 4.83 just released recently Feelsbadman

[@harsaharsaa1775]

@McTurbo1300 senenabler, spoof to 4.83

[@thedragonlady5044]

Deeming something 'unhackable' is merely an open invitation for someone to try.

[@lordkrythic6246]

Now you understand why gun control will never work; the major difference here being that gun ownership is a basic human right.

[@MrRandomposter]

You are now able to softmod the PS3. The 3.55 firmware barrier is now obsolete. It’s done through the PS3 browser. No downgrading no hardware needed. Finally.

[@Diego3Tru]

@Procastimando yes ! Look for PS3 Han exploit, it installs with a usb and the browser, it's very easy and you run the games in the hdd, also is a online store for download games and dlc in the pc, then you transfer over a router or a crosscable

[@Diego3Tru]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHbVkIlsnaeSgpI

[@Diego3Tru]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5KUaIGsZtRnqqs

[@ArabianFreedom]

Sony will now remove their almost useless browser.

[@Diego3Tru]

@@ArabianFreedom but how could Sony remove the browser, it's like cut the blu ray player lol , there is a new version of Han exploit that is offline

[@Gatitasecsii]

Praise be to emulation and all the coders who work on programming all this stuff. From the bottom of my heart, Thank you, you're heroes without capes.

[@MultiDarkZen]

Sony: our console is an unhackable console Hackers: Hold my beer

[@userPrehistoricman]

More accurately: Sony: our console is an unhackable console Hackers: ok Sony: OuR CoNsOlE miiiight be HaCkAbLe Hackers: Hold my beer

[@Wheagg]

Hold our beers*

[@Kabodanki]

* If you have a 3.55

[@Wheagg]

Jon, what?

[@darthsmythe6783]

"Have you ever known a door to be anything but, if it can't be opened it ceases to be a door and becomes a wall"

[@damiandudycz]

Im watching this video like the 5th time now (stumble on it every once in a while), and the more I learn about PS3 hacking, CFW, homebrew, etc, the more I can appreciate how much work you must have put into making this video. This is awesome and priceless content, thanks! This was truly incredible console, and I really wish there was more variations like this, more work put into CELL CPU. Now all we have it's just a customized x86_64 computer. CELL was amazing.

[@Mic_Glow]

I hate when companies go full r3tard on DRM and anti-piracy measures. It just ends up hurting the genuine user (unable/ hard to install once original disc get scratches, key get lost, moving to another machine, unskippable anti-piracy ads and so on) while pirates get an easy install, no activation, no ads, no unskippable "you wouldn't download a car" clips etc....

[@nothin1456]

This is very true.

[@levissk8boy]

Mic_Glow they just made my OG PS4 useless... unless I spend $100 to fix the blue ray drive because I guess I need a fully functional PS4 to update my OG ps4... what a joke.

[@tylerh629]

Then blame the pirates. This is the same retarded mindset that people get when they blame gun manufacturers and not the people that shoot other people for deaths.

[@kaleomungin]

thing is: Piracy will never end, and no matter what your game WILL get pirated. So much effort and inconvenience only slightly delays the process

[@alandunaway3000]

@@tylerh629 securom did that

[@nagekun]

Surprised you didn't mention the ability to mod a PS3 using a calculator. It was the most consumer friendly method. That's how I did mine back in 2010.

[@revenevan11]

That's spectacular and I love it! Was it a TI-84 or something like that? My guess would be that you had to download a program onto the calculator, then plug its usb connection into the PS3 and the program would then do a firmware mod?

[@theimortal1974]

i totally did that a long time ago. it was a bitch to get working

[@spectrfox7661]

Finally a good use for my calculator!

[@LiEnby]

@@revenevan11 it would basically bit bang out a USB exploit lol

[@ilovepugs99]

I modded my ps3 using my iPad nano 3rd generation lol. I was able to host modded lobbies on modern warfare 2 back in 2011.

[@Wackybackydonaldduck]

No mention of Geohot? he was the one who managed to get the keys. Come on!!

[@NiKonmv]

He hacked the PS3 and the iPhone... He's a hero!!

[@Azeria]

StephenKDSvids he’s on screen at 4:37

[@simonb8988]

He barely was mentioned, I was surprised.

[@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV]

@@NiKonmv He was also a member of PPP, which won the Def Con CTF multiple times

[@EspireMike]

Geohot is now doing awesome stuff in the field of AI and self-driving cars. Very cool.

[@YahiaH]

I remember following the scene very closely back when I was still in college with the first CFW pup capable of LV1 and LV2 peek and poke being complied by WuTangrza using fluke1's instructions. I think Geohot had made the first 3.55 CFW but purposefully left out LV1&2 peek and poke to avoid piracy. I remember I had FBA next and multiman of course. It was a great scene for a bit, thank you for bringing it all back!

[@konstak05]

*unhackable* ps3 *every gta v server has 1 MODDER or more*

[@Sypaka]

You should have seen my face, when I logged in, walked down to my garage and it was filled with helmets. > Nope.avi

[@gabrielleadams9092]

konstak05 I know. Someone ranked me down and stole my vehicles twice on two accounts I made. Now I’m on my 3rd account. I was mad, but I’m going to try and jailbreak my console anyways.

[@_aj345_]

@@gabrielleadams9092 you jailbroken it yet i can help you get all that money back with mods

[@gabrielleadams9092]

@@_aj345_ No lol. I sold a few months ago now.

[@MikeAKill4]

Upgrade to next console... No modders. Lots of glitchers but nothing near as toxic like last gen Gta 5

[@lcb4082]

when the PS3 launched was such an awesome time, we were walking out of the mall and my buddies surrounded me like bodyguards

[@sehnzeleid]

2:02 Unrelated to Sony gaming but the first build of Sony's very first DVD player back in 1997 had tiny, easily accessible switches on its motherboard that disabled regioning and disc copy protection. Word got out on the Internet and Sony blamed "hackers" on the discovery. They almost got in deep legal trouble with DVD's governing body and immediately removed the switches from further production. Sorry, this video just reminded me of that.

[@davidbergaragonzalez5653]

I think it´s pretty dumb that games and movies are region locked like that.

[@sebastiantafoya3609]

@@davidbergaragonzalez5653 that is why the ps4 and switch are no longer region locked nowdays but yeah its been asked for a looooong time

[@genericrandom64]

It’s never a bad idea to comment this stuff! After all, you just taught me one more thing to influence my decision to buy a PlayStation. Thanks!

[@LiEnby]

sehnzeleid good~ region locking is retarded

[@1980sGamer]

@@genericrandom64 He's not talking about a PlayStation. He's talking about the Sony DVP-S7000 which yes, was Sony's first DVD player. On early units, there are two switches on the board. One that disables region locking and the other disables a technology called Macrovision, which is a form of digital copy protection that will scramble the video signal if the system detects that you are trying to copy something.

[@joshuaroughan3350]

I can watch these videos for days so much fun, I've modded so many of my consoles and it breathes new life into old hardware

[@bomberfish77]

"Unhackable" just motivates the hackers more! Don't you see, Sony?!

[@outrageous5363]

Sony should call the PS5 the most easy to hack system then

[@DrArjunKataria]

@@outrageous5363 or hacked already 😂

[@stevenlin4457]

xbox one even make a video about how their security system work and still not being hacked

[@flying_Night_slasher]

Wouldn't that make inexperienced people have a go at it and imagine if like a beginner totally broke down the security wide open

[@flying_Night_slasher]

@@stevenlin4457 the only reason the Xbox one isn't hacked yet is because of Dev mode so people can run their Homebrew and emulator's without modding the system you just need $20 and your in. So most of the people in the scene don't have a reason to mod it because they already have what they're looking for.

[@Sebbz]

Best feature of my hacked PS3 is being able to change region to watch blu-rays from all over the world 👍

[@pspmaster2071]

Dumbass restrictions!

[@jamesbuckwas6575]

Great. So GB, GBA, DS, and 3DS games on my 3DS, PS1, 2, and 3 games on PS3, and NES, N64, GC, and Wii games on the Wii. The future is great

[@hylianchampion7713]

Literally my retro setup rn

[@mitchyoza14]

Geohot’s rap about Sony suing him will go down as the best thing from this era of Jailbreaks

[@deepakmakhija441]

Pretty enjoyed those ps3 hacking era in 2010 when I was on firmware 3.41 & learned what the term JAILBREAK truly means.

[@Nosttromo]

you know you're getting old when a ps3 is already being covered by a "vintage videgames" yt channel

[@1sinister80]

Yes you have to be at least 10 years old.

[@mynameisleeyesitis]

Bullshit. Vintage ends at windows 98. Old ends at Win 7. Everything else is new..

[@PongWithBreakout]

@@mynameisleeyesitis Not "old". "Modern Vintage".

[@mynameisleeyesitis]

@@PongWithBreakout that sounds self contradictory and puts me in mind of those beautiful looking 50s style stereos that seem to have become popular recently.

[@PongWithBreakout]

@@mynameisleeyesitis bruh that's just a callback to channel's name.

[@madkip4991]

Ps3 hacking scene is pretty active right now. With the new HEN exploit you can run homebrew on your ps3 super slim.

[@weggygaygay9940]

FreshCabbage i stopped following the hacking scene after awhile, I had no idea that you can homebrew the super slim now. Is it just homebrew or is CFW possible on super slim as well?

[@SJITZ]

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR 6 YEARS TO READ THIS SOMEWHERE. I was just about to comment "sucks for those of us that got a Super Slim for their birthday".

[@vacumviovana8801]

I ran multiman on my ps3 slim

[@w_observer]

Yeah. Before that, there were youtubers (mostly arabic) out there and they clickbaited people by claiming they can mod their super slim PS3

[@dexis476]

CFW is the best , hen sucks

[@jsdiy3176]

Playstation: the ps3 in unhackable! Hackers: hold my energy drink...

[@OVERALEZ]

Don't you mean gfuel

[@vladratcu]

Incredible :-)))) Last night I updated the CFW and WebMan on my PS3. Also for the first time I played PSP games on my PS3. Also I have made youtube work on my modded PS3 that is banned from PSN. Just yesterday I have done this, I swear. It was just the perfect time to go to KZbin on my CFW PS3 to see your video just posted on the CFW on PS3 :-)))) You are just great. PS: It is wonderfull that I can now software emulate the PS1, PS2 and PSP games on my PS3 :-) full backwards compatibility. Not perfect, but it's there. To bad Sony fucked it up with the PS4 backwards compatibility. Cheers from Romania my friend. Vlad

[@soullessleftover8427]

Hehe, I love the ps3 too. I have mine updated as well on CFW. It’s impressive, just how much the community made for it. That being said as an owner of many consoles I also have a PS4 PRO and i can agree that backwards compatibility is sadly badly supported on PS4. But those that work, will work beautifully. Example: GTA SA It’s not Sony’s first time they mess up something. Just take a look at PS Vita, that is the best example where Sony decided to drop support for something that has a great potential. But Sony being Sony, it’s all about money.

[@seanthiem1176]

Vlad Ratcu I have loads of legit ps2 and back ups, can the PS3 read or dump directly from those?

[@Clay3613]

How do you update? Is it automatic?

[@עוביידהחסדייה-ש2נ]

It does run psp games but without Audio whichs sucks any fix?

[@עוביידהחסדייה-ש2נ]

I may just buy a 2 3 4 TB for my ps3 my 320 500gb not enough i got last of us mgs4 mgs v demons souls gow 3 , uncharted collection , Ac 2 3 4 , mirror edge , naruto collection , Deux human , mgs rising revengece which im currectly playing , finshed mgs4 last of us this month and many others for me which doesnt work on ps3 cfq i play it in my xb rgh and im collection ps3 games I may get another JB ps3 for 70$

[@joncocks2262]

I loved my George Foreman grill / games console

[@frankynakamoto2308]

PS3 was extremely hackable The blue light of death is actually a wireless hack

[@dfranzner]

Needless to say, you can hack any Phat PS3 (and some earlier Slims) in OFW 4.82. No need to be prior OFW 3.55!

[@cexydev9368]

Actually, almost all PS3 slims that came out in the USA can be modded. I sell them on Ebay and never have issues finding systems. The only one that can't be modded is 3001A

[@topcat365]

Dirceu Franzner I have a fat PS3. If you were to guide me on this? What will be the first step, and what is it that I'm exactly trying to accomplish with a fat PS3?

[@Paul3]

Before it gets YLOD

[@ThornEternal]

“The wait is over” Yep disappointed, but I’m not waiting anymore I guess.

[@UberDragon]

Pretty sure the original price of the PS3 was 599USD, not 499USD.

[@Rstar0718]

I said this same thing.

[@attomicchicken]

599 for 60GB 499 for 20GB

[@rattlehead999]

@@attomicchicken yup.

[@lindah6954]

Yes it was $599. I was inline at BestBuy overnight to get mine.

[@rattlehead999]

@@lindah6954 the 60gb was 600$ the 20gb was 500$

[@eeraa]

most underrated channel in youtube, genuinely saying this, thanks for the video and the information.

[@stuart777RX]

Tribute to Ben daglish at the end .. nice . Might install some emulators on my PS3 beast ;)

[@Ilegator]

I just got a PS3 Slim for 35€. I'm so happy I'm finally going to be able to play in this masterpiece!!

[@jerrylees]

"Don't take away Linux from your commercial device" Nailed it.

[@zingythelemon7949]

God its hard to believe that it has been 14yrs since the ps3 was released, where did the time go?

[@aaronspacee]

3:10 "Micrastoft"

[@obidahasdia4095]

😂😂

[@Jauhead]

LMAOO

[@jujuyee2534]

micro shaft

[@AstralStriderZ]

Mc Krustoff

[@indexMemories]

I prefer Michael Soft but ok.

[@DustinRodriguez1_0]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Optical Device Emulator addons that came out for the PS3. I personally very rarely play console games, but I always find the mod scene very interesting so I usually buy a console specifically to mod it and mess around with that kind of stuff on it. I got one of the ODEs for the PS3 and thought it was a clever little idea and I'm not really sure how such a thing can be guarded against. If the system sends out a request to read from a disc, but a little FPGA receives that, reads something from a hard drive, and then returns that as if it came from a disc... what can you do? You can still make sure the data coming back is properly signed and encrypted, sure, but that still won't protect from exact duplicates being able to be illegitimately loaded. Digital security is a fascinating problem space.

[@sad10promo]

When you said “all of that changed” I literally laughed They lost millions to prevent something that would hardly effect their money Time’s given, and people find a way to do it anyways And before someone and replies and says “video game piracy” You can’t go online with pirated games Money would’ve be made regardless Them being greedy made them lose money in the lawsuit and the future jailbreak So congrats Sony, you played yourself.

[@inx1819]

You can't go online with pirated games?

[@sad10promo]

inxane有害な I don’t believe so

[@bigschlong5697]

@@sad10promo You can lmao

[@sad10promo]

Big Schlong oh that’s dope

[@Ayeato]

@@bigschlong5697 not really

[@TheDiego908]

Can Multiman pay your taxes as well?

[@Matanumi]

If you game on the PS3 you can save your money and pay taxes

[@xt6997]

@@Matanumi i mean you're not wrong 😂

[@cameolynn32]

it will even get you off.

[@Anthonybrother]

Gg

[@jamess.9743]

Basically we lost otherOS for the 10bux settlement that we got over 12 years later.

[@batmangovno]

"unhackable console" *laughs in REBUG* BTW the Dualshock 3 had an excellent d-pad so 2D games work like a dream. PS3 is both cheaper than an NES/SNES classic and more useful. It's almost maddening how easy it is to mod and how many things it can do.

[@d4t6ix]

Dualshock 3 d-pad excellent? I't better than the 360 one but far far away from excellent;

[@dcard228]

@@d4t6ix it's one of the best D-pads. There are still some pro fighting game players that prefer DS3 because of its D-pad

[@myfellowsonicfans7131]

d4t6ix the DS3 is really a beautiful controller though, I use it for any of my controller needs.

[@manason2776]

Ps3 dpad was amazing

[@MegaRayland]

It certainly wasn't "unhackable" but considering how, at the time, the Wii and the X360 were hacked in a matter of months, if not weeks, it certainly was the console that gave those doing this the most work since it took 4-5 years.

[@N-o-t-o-r-i-o-u-s_-P-i-G]

Sony: "it's basically unhackable" *Modders & Hackers:* "Lmao....hold my energy drink "

[@hishamhani3497]

😂😂👍

[@Gonzo0624]

Shut yo punk ass up

[@ynamaxa]

I remember buying a USB mod pen drive. That thing modded the console in like 10 minutes. I rented all games I could and had a huge library.

[@esser3410]

"unhackable" *Laughs in Multiman*

[@skiez7430]

*Laughs in pirated gta 4*

[@babywithatank9565]

*Laughs in 5 gb worth of roms*

[@Menacing_Mike]

Laughs while spoofing dex to cex

[@nateflorendo]

Laughs in hen

[@sqbm7329]

@@nateflorendo lol same

[@Longlius]

I got my check for the suit early in 2018. $65 was the maximum. Most users like me got less than $10. Wasn't even worth the time to cash it.

[@freebird0147]

That's more than you deserve loser

[@socommaster]

I just got my check in December 2019 for the OS issue for $3 😂😂😂

[@underintact134]

Getting big bucks I see.

[@bryanswaggbeast8194]

What?

[@skimaskedabi]

I got a check for 25 cents from a laundromat company once. Still have it. Lmao

[@bryanswaggbeast8194]

You trolling?

[@skimaskedabi]

@@bryanswaggbeast8194 nah deadass i was having a bad day and filed a report cause the machine ate my quarter and i didnt have more change laying around totally forgot i did and like 3 months later i got that sweet sweet 25 cent check. Lmao. Too funny to cash

[@ryanyoder7573]

I’m surprised you are only at 90k subscribers. Your production quality is very high and your personal knowledge, experience, and research far exceeds the typical channel. I learn a lot watching your videos. It’s not just entertainment. Well done.

[@B727X]

720 now

[@calebwilbanks2871]

Learn from Microsoft, don't leave test points and JTAG points on the board after debugging pre-production. That's basically how both the original Xbox (LPC debug header) and the 360 (JTAG test points) got cracked so easily and quickly. Also, if you're going to argue that they're left there for programming during production, remember that they most definitely could program the chips beforehand. It may cost a little more, but it removes obvious security holes.

[@StriderVM]

Now even the Switch falls using a similar exploit.

[@Matanumi]

@@StriderVM that's hilarious

[@freman]

not having the points on the boards doesn't stop it, it just makes it more difficult - the pins still exist.

[@jacktheninja]

@@freman 98% of the devices i have dissected contained a variation of the JTAG header and some even had the silkscreen on it.

[@Donnirononon]

12:33 dude i tought my monitor is damaged in the center

[@theimortal1974]

what the #$%^ are you talking about?

[@carlosmarte428]

Joshua Fraim There’s a small black/gray dot in the center at his time stamp. It’s kind of hard to see though.

[@cysper4703]

@@carlosmarte428 I saw it when I found your comment lol

[@TEJR69]

I just love to watch these videos, just because you really don't know what they have to deal with when coming up with the new console. Some people would just say "Put a better hardware together, boom there ya go." But knowing thanks to these videos how much is going on in the background, I don't know why, but it really is fascinating to me

[@Iheartdgd]

I’m proud to say I’ve picked up and learned many many MANY different trades in my time... but man, electronics scare the shit out of me.

[@Bleek17Six]

A B Music n More Why it scars you ?

[@カスカディア国人]

Bleek Cartier because they are complicated and contain a lot of technical jargon if you want to do anything really cool with them. Nothing wrong with that. It’s the same reason most people are scared of things like macroeconomics and microeconomics, that shit is my bread and butter, but electronics? Naaahhhh 😂 although I’m starting to learn it to be honest, just through exposure.

[@anthonyvandyke5108]

Me too I don't understand them very well.

[@Iheartdgd]

Exactly, there is a lot to learn, and It’s just one of those things I never got my hands on or done much research. I am starting to get a little more in to it though, I’ve always been interested. I’ve always built and worked on my own guitars, and that sort of stuff is pretty simple, but I’m getting ready to build a computer. It seems pretty straightforward, but I guess we’ll find out.

[@Iheartdgd]

But honestly, it does seems like understanding how and why it works is much more complicated than actually just making it work.

[@QuickBits]

You learn something new every day. Retro Arch started as a PS3 homebrew scene.

[@myfellowsonicfans7131]

Quick Bits RetroArch sucks balls though, it’s such a pointless emulation program, it never brings anything new to the table and just packs together a bunch of emulators you probably won’t use - take it on iOS for example, it supports all the “classic” consoles that you could just download a emulator for in a second flat instead of taking forever to figure out how to get the app to function, let alone where to even download it. If it had the ability to emulate consoles other emulators didn’t then it would be worth using.

[@QuickBits]

@@myfellowsonicfans7131 user choice is a good thing. We can all just run what consoles and games we like on our chosen emulator of choice. Everyone is happy.

[@homestar92]

The one thing I find issue with is the claim that most PS1s you find in the wild have a modchip in them. I spend a lot of time and money in retro game stores and I've never come across a modded PS1 that I didn't mod myself.

[@Litepaw]

Huge untapped potential to me brings out images of the last of us and mgs4. Insane feats on that hardware.

[@etherlords88]

The only time i enjoyed the ps3 to the fullest when playing killzone 2 multiplayer! Boy that was some era! Unfortunately guerrilla took the server down... 😒

[@Loundsify]

Yeah Killzone 2 had such a good community. kz3 felt like a CoD game.

[@Brain_With_Limbs]

have you ever played The last of us.

[@steelbear2063]

@@Brain_With_Limbs Story is great, gameplay is fine I guess

[@beeza]

its crazy to think that a roundish box brought so many good times

[@ronrobertssr2558]

This system was your everything station when it came out.

[@linkplays95]

Pretty much

[@PirateKieren]

Still is at my house ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@kbabioch]

Really appreciate those console security videos, please continue with this series - also for older platforms, etc.

[@goobers143]

"Unhackable" Kim Jung Un: Hold me nuclear launch codes

[@maceomillions2192]

Goobers lol

[@lasopa09]

Hand*

[@SKBKER]

*Jong

[@darthsmythe6783]

Why does he sound british

[@Jinkle]

Darth Smythe lmao

[@emdotrod]

The PS3 was a good console. Too bad their disastrous start quite make such a dent. It still become the market leader but they paved way for Microsoft to establish themselves in the game

[@d4t6ix]

It's not only because of Japan; Even in Europe the Playstation 3 has been more popular than Xbox 360; In fact, i think North America is the only region where 360 actually had better sales;

[@f181234]

d4t6ix it’s still like that now I’ve been saying this for years without The American market the Xbox would die

[@budman8926]

@@d4t6ix uk the xbox was very popular. More people had a 360 than ps3

[@d4t6ix]

@Gaming 101; I don't know UK only numbers, but overall in Europe the PS3 sold 35 mil compared to 26 mil for the Xbox 360; As a side note, in its first two days of release in UK, the PS3 sold 165,000 units and Xbox 360 sold 70,000;

[@kresimircosic6158]

@KONATAonPC So 360 was an American prodcut but they did not leverage that? Take USA out if the equation and PS3 wins by whatever. 35 to 25 xD

[@capcomfan82]

The 60 gig was 599. Insane really and the multiports were god awful early on. I remember madden on the ps3 was running at half the speed of the 360. The ps3 eventually caught up though

[@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx]

The PS3 was amazing from the beginging but the the devs didnt know how to utilize its power as developers learned how to design for the system games improved.

[@SnipingMachines]

Yo good stuff 😊 keep the grind STRONG ❤️

[@DannyWilliamH]

I'm actually a part of that Class Action Suit. It hasn't paid-out yet but it is finalized. I was a rare user that used Other OS. Losing it sucked. I'd rather have Linux than the $50-65.

[@somebonehead]

Can you give us some more information about the suit? What were the proceedings like?

[@myfellowsonicfans7131]

I’ll give you a link to Linux for that 65 bucks bro! Cmon it’s a great deal.

[@DannyWilliamH]

@@myfellowsonicfans7131 😅

[@Marco-nx5tj]

And you are a scum bag

[@JacobZigenis]

What did you use Other OS for? I'm struggling to understand what utility that actually had.

[@mulct4727]

You know you don't need a 3.55 console, you can use a web exploit

[@cemsengul16]

yup PS3Xploit

[@jef8278]

@@cemsengul16 could you help me with this? A freind wants to jailbreak his PS3 super slim

[@cemsengul16]

@@jef8278 well the PS3 Super Slim has a different method called HAN

[@jef8278]

@@cemsengul16 Im mostly a pc kinda guy so I don't really know a whole lot about consoles, and well, he doesn't know much about tech. Any way how to do that?

[@fishmo_gt5338]

It possible to jailbreak ps3 slim 3xxx ?

[@Momasmomas]

We need an update on N64 emulation on PS3. Retroarch is limited to 4th generation consoles and lower. So no N64, PSX or Saturn/Dreamcast for Retroarch. I thought it was in development but looking deeper into it. It seemed it was abandoned! I looked at forum posts dating back to 2011 that the people who made Wii64 were porting their software to the PS3. They said that "we are getting things working but it's sluggish" and showed a screenshot of Super Mario 64 booting. That was the last post that they've put. I've heard that "OpenGL was the reason that they couldn't do it" or "The Cell processor was too complicated to program for" or "If they were to do a N64 emulator it would require rewriting the whole of the dynamic recompiler". I'm wondering if it'll ever happen (mainly because we haven't been updated with the progress of an N64 emulator since 2011). I do hope one day a new developer does come along and manages to find a way around the PS3 Cell Processor. Or someone will eventually port Vulkan/OpenGL API's to the PS3 (I know that is a very lengthy process that takes years to do). But I do hope it happens one day because the PS3 has a lot of potential as a emulation station. It honestly reminds me of the Xbox Emulation scene from years ago. Where there was not a single emulator that got far into development. Only very recently have there been Xbox emulators that finally play games at an acceptable standard. Or the fact that the Dolphin team went silent for 3 years but made a really good comeback. Although it looks bleak I do still believe there is hope that one day they'll be a N64/PSX/Saturn/Dreamcast heck maybe even GameCube emulators/core for the PS3 that everyone will be satisfied with.

[@tjsmithson1598]

All of those systems are a part of retroarch on the PC

[@tuberoyful]

You Vint and ETA are the greatest in Emu us retro gamers are all blessed to have y'all!

[@homarsimpsom]

"Unhackable" vs me remembering the hacks of 2012 and my ps3 emulator

[@PhirePhlame]

The PS3 architecture sounds like Sega Saturn 2.0: great console, but you _really_ need to know what you're doing to develop for it.

[@batiaBK]

Mostly cuz of that powerfull CELL

[@meh78336]

patching out linux because of hacking was just an excuse to get rid of it, they knew next to noone could really do the "hack". They patched it out as they only added it in the first place to try and get around import laws in a few countries that charged less for PC than consoles, and they thought adding linux they could pass it off as a PC, but it didn't work, so they didn't want to support it anymore and removed it via blackmail, as in lose it or lose all future games. It was divine retribution that they got hacked so quickly after, as was all their other problems, steal from customers and don't be surprised if they in turn steal from you.

[@ElisBuenas82]

Just hacked mine only now on Monday. I’m so happy with it! Playing PS1, 2 and 3 games as much as possible

[@1D0N]

I’m honestly amazed how people can hack systems, reverse engineer stuff. I mean, where do you start!

[@TheSliderW]

learn the basics in programming or follow the popular course called "from nand to tetris" which is gives you a quick start if you don't know much about computers or electronics in general. In parallel, you can get your hands dirty with Arduinos. Some people get into repairing consumer electronics, old and new and learn from that and there are some KZbinrs who can get you started. You can watch Louis Rosman Repair videos for example which are a huge source of information about problem hunting and logic boards in general, more aimed at macs but still good. While staying on youtube, there is Big Clive who reverse engineers cheap and simple Chinese products for fun and Dave Jones from the EEVBLOG (check it's forum) has tons of advice for electronics equipment and information hunting. You'll find more stuff from them.

[@themakeshifthero8653]

@@TheSliderW I've completed level 1 and 2 in programming and the advanced level, as well as various db languages, scripting etc, and I still don't know where you'd even begin with looking for a way to break into a system. Programming basics my ass lol. You need a lot more than that. I've learned that most times cracking and penetration have nothing to do with programming. Sure a programmer puts the tool together, but all you need to do is know how to use it, which a lot of the time requires zero programming knowledge. I'm pretty sure most expert carpenters can't make the hammers they use lol.

[@TheSliderW]

@@themakeshifthero8653 That's why i mentionned the hardware and low level knowledge stuff. I also leaned a bunch of programming languages in school and a few more during my time in various companies but I had to take it upon my free time to learn electronics and flashing roms for a couple of projects which was a totally different beast. C++/C# is fun but you'll go nowhere if you don't look into lower levels of programming as well. So start fresh, start from basic electronics then go higher. That course "from Nand to Tetris" is awesome and I recommend if for kids that get into programming as well.

[@TheSliderW]

@@themakeshifthero8653Also, using a random tool is NOT where you start with hacking. You can run hex editors or read opcodes all day but if you don't know what you're doing then what gives ?

[@themakeshifthero8653]

@@TheSliderW I know using a random tool isn't hacking. I said cracking and penetration, but hacking can be included in that too. For example, I've hacked devices already using tools such as backtrack and CLI before I had any knowledge of programming. That's what I was saying. A programmer obviously compiled the tool, and using it is not a walk in the park either, the tools can be extremely complex, but you can still learn and use them without programming knowledge. In fact some of the first things we learned about the greatest hackers in history in security class were that the hacks they pulled were some of the most basic things of all time. Guys like mitnick were great hackers not only because of what they could do behind a computer and through programming. They were "hackers" in everyday life. I don't know any C programming only Java. I'm familiar with flashing roms but I guess it really boils down to the hardware aspect. Circuits and soldering etc, I'm not good with that. I'm a network engineer so I'm good with hardware when it comes to things like routing engines, switches, etc specifically but when it comes to taking electronics apart in general like how some people could just take apart a tv or laptop or a fridge and look at the board and figure out how it works. Yeah I can't do that lol. And I have a feeling that with all my programming knowledge, someone like that would quicker successfully hack a device faster than I ever could in a million years.

[@warwagon]

To Give Microsoft Credit there was never a plug and play hack for the 360 where you could just plug in a usb device and ahack the firmware. Hope one is found when it's discontinued.

[@matuzaato]

I thought you were going to mention the recent HAN exploit too, although it's not really homebrew

[@thiagoalves6649]

"Unhackable" Every possible gaming shop in south america in the 2000's: "lol no"