The Spaceship that Russia Built with Junk - Caught on Camera

[@keith2059]

Thanks Dark Footage! You made my day!

[@mikelastname]

Imagine how far we would be along in our space aspirations if we all collaborated rather than competed for 50 years...

[@1337fraggzb00N]

Wernher von Braun joins the chat

[@DeputyNordburg]

It's a warm and cuddly idea, but the most progress in space exploration was made in the Apollo era cold war specifically because of the competition. Aerospace? WWII pushed is forward like nothing else.

[@MindBodySoulOk]

​@@DeputyNordburg it is a very cuddly and warm idea...🙄

[@gryph01]

We collaborated with Russia on the ISS. I think we were a little short sighted by denying China access to ISS though. Also, all space faring nations need to sign on the space non-weaponization treaty. Let's keep space completely neutral

[@christiananderson1419]

You ever work on a group project in school and one guy just sits out and occasionally says one or two things that might be related to the project itself, but it's something that doesn't really impact anything important, and they tell the teacher later all the innovative parts of it were their idea? That's what collaborating with the Soviets would be like.

[@kd7fkd]

The design for the second version of this space craft was really innovative. The boosters had integrated folding wings and an engine and would fly themselves back to base. Similar to how SPaceX designs its boosters now a days.

[@aq_ua]

Uh I don't think SpaceX has made flyback boosters like that yet 😅

[@SmokinGoodd420]

Soviet Shuttle Buran Launch was NOT 1998, it was 1988.

[@silverismoney]

heh i once watched a documentary where a supposed science advisor claimed that "the shape is dictated aerodynamically" despite Buran looking pretty much like a 1:1 copy of SST albeit with different engines. It's kind of a shame that Buran got destroyed and ptitchka sits in some hangar rotting away.

[@ADAMLFC92]

For the Russians to bodge together a shuttle that could fly itself successfully is pretty damn good tbh

[@GodOfWar109]

1960-1970s USSR was a lot better tech wise than Russia is currently.

[@bBersZ]

Must've had extra resources on their hands bypassing all that expensive and time consuming RnD

[@johnkarpiscak1134]

They only realized after teh fcat that it cost Russia too much in terms of resources to build and maintain (like the US shuttle). That's what happens with central planning.

[@flickingbollocks5542]

​@@GodOfWar109 BOLLOCKS

[@stanleydavidson6543]

True but it never flew much

[@NorthernChev]

...where was the, "Built with Junk" part of your video???

[@shannonsisk]

Have you seen where the people hike 20 miles and sneak into that old hanger where the 2 unfinished shuttles still remain? It’s awesome. Only a few weeks or months ago. It’s here on KZbin I’m sure it’s easy to find

[@tde2033]

Bald and bank robed, went their its on youtube

[@josiphosligands9651]

I think its kinda funny that its called espionage when they just followed tech data that was publicly available. Just instructions available on how to build a space shuttle to anyone. I may me misunderstanding what was said in the video but that's what it sounded like to me.

[@HubertofLiege]

Reverse espionage, it helped break the USSR

[@alfredshort3]

There were rumors that the plans were riddled with technical errors but given Russia had always had the leg up on booster technology and orbital guidance I'd say they did ok

[@vertigoz]

Well it is explained in the video also

[@bruceyung70]

What about the concord ski?

[@alfredshort3]

Alittle leakage helps promote competition. Our fears of spending Communism created Nasa and we found roughly 40 Billion to get to the moon. Neil De Grasse Tyson had said let a Chinese memo leak that they are planning on doing " anything " military oriented on Mars and our response is to do it in 6 months.

[@markhatch1267]

Good episode. I had forgotten that the Russians had made it that far with their shuttle project. To let you know how old I am. I was 5 when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon. I got to watch it on TV with my folks and Grandma. I have been a fan of space tech and exploration since then.

[@ressljs]

I remember the launch of the Buran and was disappointed that it only was used once because at the time (teenager) I was fascinated by the Soviet space program. I thought it was strictly a test flight, I didn't know it actually launched something.

[@largol33t1]

Just before the fall of the Soviet Union, there were plans to fund a second shuttle called Ptichka (Birdie!). Makes me wonder where the hell they were going to get the funds for that? Maybe they were planning a fire sale on weapons to China or some other commie country?

[@davidwood2205]

I too, was a wide eyed five year old, staring at the TV in awe. The Saturn V is still my favorite vehicle to ever fly. The astronauts are hero's to me, then and now.

[@kevinbernal5068]

Great video as usual, thank you. Unfortunately there was one significant error in the video. Although heat tiles faired better that the initial US tiles did, one thing that did happen was that the glue the Soviet Union used on there shuttle was incorrect and nearly fused all the tiles together during re-entry. This also significantly delayed the next launch and set them back significantly. The glue used was intentionally leaked incorrectly to the Soviets when they were using the KGB to gather the patents on the technology.

[@-danR]

It's not a great video and there are several errors and mis-judgements. He's out of his lane on this particular topic. Also needs to cut the music volume by half, and move the mic twice as far from his mouth. But I suppose those cosmetic defects are what keeps subscribers hooked.

[@todd3285]

That wouldn't have fit this jerks anti- American narrative now would it ?!?!

[@jesus4400]

There's a big error: Space is FAKE.

[@thelonewrangler1008]

I had no idea this ever flew

[@snjert8406]

Me too

[@gunstargizmo]

Well, at least the Russians knew when to cancel a launch.

[@drewodessa2483]

No mention =why= it was unmanned. It was unmanned because their engineers found out too late that the plans they stole were bogus enticing them to build the front of the craft too short to properly dissipate heat from the plasma built up by the wings. The cabin temperature exceeded 180 degrees during reentry. Hence, "unmanned". Other than that, great work.

[@ostafp]

Do you have a source of this? I never came across this information

[@lundsweden]

The front is not short?!

[@kentuckysmoose]

@@lundsweden its too short to properly deflect the plasma tho

[@lundsweden]

@@kentuckysmoose It looks approximately the same length as the U.S space shuttle.

[@ayanchakraborty3559]

Are u CIA?

[@brianv1988]

I still don't get how Buran is not in a museum and instead in a dilapidated hangar rusting they really should restore what's left and put it on display

[@snjert8406]

The actual shuttle was destroyed when the hangar collapsed. Two unfinished versions still exist.

[@brianv1988]

@@snjert8406 yeah theres one or two still in a hangers that's falling apart but the hanger is not collapsed on they don't have the original that one got destroyed

[@danozism]

5:50 - I think you mean 1988 not 1998 - that would be 7 years after the Columbia's first launch. Other than that, great video!

[@andrewlindh5047]

By 1998 the USSR was long gone...

[@danozism]

@@andrewlindh5047 Exactly! Fair play to Mr Dark Footage though, he kind of corrects himself a bit later in the video.

[@devo1977s]

Crazy part is, it was a superior design compared to our space shuttle, mainly due to the fact there was only 1 purpose and goal for it, unlike how the shuttle had different government agencies wanting specific add ons that affected other systems on the shuttle

[@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248]

Sure sounds to me like you say 1998 here (and it was 1988). 5:50 But oddly enough the closed caption says 1988. Anyone else hear 1998?

[@cliffordsantos9101]

Good little channel this😊

[@noapologizes2018]

The video never explained the title Spaceship that Russia built with "Junk" . What part of their shuttle was made from junk? Maybe inferior materials, but junk. I'm not so sure about that. It did come back in one piece and did not break apart or burn up. So, if you ask me, that's pretty good quality junk.

[@nedelwre]

maybe between writing the title and the content, something is cut and left on editing. maybe there should some part that say they are building with parts from other project/ existing parts, so, from junks.

[@DeputyNordburg]

Click bait.

[@patrickPilcher]

great video. I got to wander around Buran and to go inside it when it toured Australia...

[@sicknote1558]

Cool

[@EHiggins]

In the 80's they sold a shuttle "flight manual" it had foldouts of the control panels, and schematics. Went through a a flight. It had a lot of detail.

[@chezsnailez]

We either have that or something similar.

[@shaider1982]

Junk?! The Buran is better in someways than the Shuttle with the orbiter having MiG31 engines so it has power instead of just glide. It doesn't use SRB's which was the cause.for the loss of the Challenger and I think no external fuel tank with the insulation to damage the heat shield, the reason for the loss of Columbia.

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Another great video, Subbed to all Dark Channels. 🇺🇸

[@Castielj]

At about 5:52, Buran's flight was in 1988, NOT 1998.

[@paulsnickles2420]

I like the video 👍

[@211212112]

How about Buran auto landing in heavy cross winds back in the 1980’s. That was about thirty years ahead of everything else.

[@DeputyNordburg]

Was it an auto landing though? O was it just remote controlled?

[@sicknote1558]

​@@DeputyNordburglol 😂 are you heavy trolling the comments

[@Aeronaut1975]

What you failed to mention is that, on it's first landing attempt, it encountered crosswinds of 30kts, so aborted it's landing and went around and landed on the second attempt, 10 metres away from it's designated touchdown zone, all whilst flying autonomously!. I'm VERY surprised you didn't even mention that...

[@DeputyNordburg]

Wow, that's amazing that a glider could do a touch and go and return for a second landing.

[@mik_karbo]

​@@DeputyNordburg Buran wasn't a glider during test flights, it wasn't even carried piggyback like an American Space Shuttle. It used 4 jet engines, so it behaved almost like any other powered aircraft.

[@aq_ua]

They almost destroyed it because they thought it was on course. The engineers were so impressed that it actually landed itself

[@DeputyNordburg]

@@mik_karbo The 30 knot crosswind landing refers to the first (and only) landing from orbit of any Buran. Not sure if you call that a training flight, but it was a glider at the time. OK-GLI had first two then 4 engines, but wasn't really a Buran, it was an "aerodynamic analogue", and had those engines because the AN-225 wasn't ready. But it also rode a Myasishchev M-4 "Bison" before taking any test flights. Buran 1K thru 5K had no means to attach jet engines and no fuel tanks for them. Nor was the AL-31 jet engine ever adapted to survive space launch and re-entry. The engines were touted in propaganda about the Buran.

[@w3vjp568]

There were no jet engines on Buran. There was no go-around. The footage you see of Buran-looking aircraft were test analogs used during the project development to determine flight characteristics.

[@Desire123ification]

Excellent Channel! 💯

[@malte2483]

Yes!A channel built with original russian junk😆😂🤣😁😆😄😉😉😉😉

[@kerzwhile]

Excellent!!

[@LichaelMewis]

5:45 you have a significant error. The first launch of the Buran was not 1998 but 1988.

[@malte2483]

Built with Junk?😂🤔

[@pricelessppp]

Look at Elon musk new rocket.

[@williamstephens9945]

It was Ruzzian.

[@malte2483]

@@pricelessppp 🤭😅😆

[@kdrapertrucker]

Ever seen anything built in Russia?

[@Real_Artician]

Mistaking junk with смекалка.

[@Yezpahr]

What's funny is that many people with a degree in rocket science said there was little design-choice when designing a space-capable glider and this was likely just "convergent evolution" within space-capable vehicles according to the scientists. But yea, spying did occur and probably intentionally wasn't rooted out as the data flow probably went both ways.

[@AerospaceMatt]

I’m pretty sure the US shuttle could fly itself too. I believe one of the Enterprise ALT Test flights utilized the “auto landing” feature.

[@jasmith1867]

Russia knew the crew cabin would overheat and kill the pilots. That's the reason for no pilots.

[@showaltermicro]

They let them rot and never put them in a museum -sad

[@largol33t1]

The Soviets just wanted to grandstand. They were more concerned with "making a propaganda statement" than with preserving anything. Look at their fleet of ships: all rotting away in the Barents Sea, slowly leaking nuclear waste. Why should I worry about "climate change" when the Russians and godknowswhoelse is letting toxic waste seep into the oceans and nobody mentions a word about it.

[@johnkarpiscak1134]

As I understand it (and years later) it was learned that the crew cabin overheaded during reentry, damaging the interior to the point of unusabilty. This would require a massive redesign of the TPS to prevent crew fatalities, but due to the collapse of the USSR, it never was to be.

[@MegaSunspark]

That's nonsense. If that were true, you would see the tell-tale signs of it on the exterior near the cockpit area. The only way interior destruction can happen is if there was a breach in the hull, like it happened on the U.S. shuttle Columbia.

[@timglazner1519]

1998? Columbia was first launched way back on April 12th, 1981. That 17 years prior to the USSR, not 7.

[@Real_Artician]

The Буран was built with espionage and смекалка. It was still an important part of the history of manned space travel, and deserves the respect as such. It is sickening how it was destroyed.

[@johntaylor-lo8qx]

Too bad it wasn't real soviet tech... just like China copies good ideas. Others are innovators. Sadly this isn't much more than a forgery...

[@jasmith1867]

Those dang capitalists let Russia copy them. Communists would never let that happen.

[@artiz32000]

no need to espionage. it was all over the media

[@alexunknown7769]

At 5:50, you said it launched in the Fall of 1998, but I think you meant 1988...?

[@koriw1701]

"...the military applications of such a massive vehicle were clear, at least to the Russians. Amongst the Soviets, there was fear that the new American spacecraft could be used as some sort of orbital bomber for global domination." When you're a hammer, the whole world is filled with nothing but nails.

[@jasmith1867]

What if you're a sickle? What's the world full of then?

[@koriw1701]

@@jasmith1867 I wouldn't have the slightest idea, but I'll bet that *you* could tell us the answer. What *is* the world full of *if you're a a sickie?*

[@jasmith1867]

@@koriw1701 Sickle. As in Hammer and Sickle. The world would be full of grain harvesters.

[@blech71]

The bigger the brows… the bigger the rank it seemed back then lol

[@fajareraim6136]

Makes me feel a bit better for myself....I'm 26 and sucks at everything i do ..my side hustle failed, losing jobs cars etc...

[@JK-dv3qe]

at the same time: 14 american/international astronauts were blown up/atomized/baked/scattered throughout a large area on two different US space shuttles (because of junk parts)

[@matposton87]

The life support systems, including heart rate monitors in the flight suits showed that the Challenger Astronauts were still alive when the front crew cabin section of the space shuttle hit the water. Nasa video footage shows that the crew cabin section of the shuttle stayed mostly intact til it hit the water.

[@JK-dv3qe]

@@matposton87 but at that exact instant (hitting the water) they were scattered/distributed throughout a very large area (because of junk parts)

[@nohaboy100]

​@@matposton87 Alive but not conscious.

[@dazuk1969]

I thought the Buran did have powered flight capability when it re entered ?. The American shuttle was basically a massive glider coming back down.

[@DeputyNordburg]

Buran was a glider. A test version of Buran that had no heat shield and other features had engines and could take off from a runway. But the launched version had no engines.

[@kenwaldron8548]

The picture of this shuttle just sitting in storage and decaying away

[@AirborneAnt]

I heard somewhere that we knew the Soviets were taking/copying the shuttles blueprints, and we purposely left out the structural components of the reentry heat tiles on the bottom of the shuttle, (top secret at the time) and the Soviets didn’t realize and almost had a catastrophic accident on reentry because the heat tiles were not up to standard and were flaking off the shuttle…the innocent soviet crew almost died…anyone else hear about this?

[@peceed]

Bullshit, engineers are not idiots. Buran was not a copy of design, but a mimicry of concept.

[@jors6240]

@@peceed Russian bot says what?

[@snjert8406]

There was no crew aboard during the only space test flight of the Buran.

[@JohnM5583]

Well I do believe that you concatenated two launches: Energia + Polyus (Skif-DM) - a successful launch of Energia followed by Polyous doing a 180 and firing engines opposite to the direction of flight. Furthermore Polyous was a weaponized vessel used mostly to test out Energia...

[@MiG-25IsGOAT]

Idk why a lot of people say that with cooperation we would have reached way beyond our technology now, if actually thanks to competition we got to the moon, and we got a lot of achievements, because the need for being first got to this amazing technology.

[@WinVisten]

The Buran is not junk lmao, It's better than OUR shuttle. Which says a lot, considering how many other times we outcompete Russia's technological programs.

[@koriw1701]

Buran is junk because America intentionally leaked a bad glue mixture and it totally ruined the heat shield. After the first successful landing, it would never again be able to be flown.

[@apegues]

Ok Commie you just keep believing that, Intelligent Americans can see right through your Russian Propaganda, my suggestion to you is to “pack your sh*t and get!” Go back to Russia they need you on the front line.

[@ifell3]

Imagine if we all joined together, what we could accomplish!

[@trespire]

Then there would be no competition and no incentive to improve. Welcome to the Cummunist Dystopia where everyone and everything is "equal".

[@flechette3782]

Hippie.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

What does Russia ever have to offer when they have to steal not only the designs, but also the parts.

[@sicknote1558]

Yeah a daisy chain

[@ifell3]

@@sicknote1558 😁

[@billymania11]

The autonomous nature of the first Buran mission is unappreciated. Think about the automation required to make that happen. It implies a mastery of computers and algorithms. Our Russian friends showed real accomplishment in this area.

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

That’s an interesting perspective. I’d always assumed that Buran was autonomous because they felt that it was too risky for human spaceflight.

[@DeputyNordburg]

Was it though? Or was is simply remote controlled? And isn't manned spaceflight much more complex/expensive? Buran never flew to space with people, and was never reused. It flew as exterior cargo on the Energia that was massive, expensive, and disposable.

[@billymania11]

@@DeputyNordburg even remote control would be impressive!

[@billymania11]

@@gdutfulkbhh7537 hard to say why Russians did that,

[@DeputyNordburg]

@@billymania11 Unmanned spaceflight is cheap and easy vs manned space flight.

[@webspiderc]

Without GPS, how does it navigate back to base with such precision ?

[@repairdroid77]

Radio beacons. It would home in on one near the approach end of the runway. Airliners do it all the time. Called VOR/DME.

[@carldoby2827]

I've seen videos that 2 of the shuttles still exist in a warehouse.

[@snjert8406]

Yes, they're unfinished versions. The one that was flown got destroyed.

[@philipcalderone8092]

Where was this junk the description sais?

[@IzzyTheEditor]

"Components, American Components, Russian Components, All Made In Taiwan!" - Armageddon :)

[@gypsydildopunks7083]

I heard they were built with the cosmonauts safety as top priority. ;-)

[@VicariousAdventurer]

Space Shuttle and Buran both had a more simple body than the lifting body studies in the US and USSR. Bor-4 is clearly different from HL-10, and HL-20 and Dreamchaser are similar to it, so I think it slightly ironic to talk about copies while showing the Bor-4, apparently the result of at least some original USSR work.

[@franksmall1313]

we plan it and they copy and make it better but was too costly. If people just work together everything be better but noooooo each group can't stop the ''' i be better than you thing in their heart and so make a mess of most things.

[@worldsedge4991]

Noting the irony: "...they would need to expedite the design process via old-school espionage..." followed immediately by the caption "DIGITAL ESPIONAGE". Sounds new school to me.

[@MegaDirtyberty]

What happened to "Dark Skies".

[@MegaSunspark]

There were NO stolen parts that the Russians used to build their own space shuttle. The U.S. space shuttle contained no parts that were not possible to design and produce by any other space faring country. The Russians, if anything, they got the inspiration from the American space shuttle. Does that make it "stolen"? As others mentioned here, the Buran was a much better space shuttle than the U.S. version.

[@mattperrin8372]

Dude give them some credit it was even remote flown.

[@evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879]

Everything in the Soviet space program was controlled by a computer, more-or-less. "....another fundamental difference between the two nations. US Mercury astronauts were expected to pilot their ships. Vostok operated automatically to a pre-determined sequence, leaving the cosmonaut with little to do. The only way they could release the few manual controls was to punch in a secret code on a keypad. The code was sealed in an envelope beneath the seat, to be opened if the automatic systems failed. Korolev, however, was among several people to whisper the numbers to Gagarin before his flight." I'm not arguing for one or the other: they have both had their ups and downs. Far more astronauts have died than cosmonauts (only four)... .....yet, had they followed advice given to them before launch and close a valve manually, instead of letting it automatically close... they wouldn't have died. "Alexei Leonov, who would have originally commanded Soyuz 11, had advised the cosmonauts before the flight that they should manually close the valves between the orbital and descent modules, as he did not trust them to shut automatically, a procedure he thought up during extensive time in the Soyuz simulator. However, it appears that the crew did not do this. After the flight, Leonov went back and tried closing one of the valves himself, and found that it took nearly a minute to do so, too long in an emergency situation with the spacecraft's atmosphere escaping fast." NASA has lost a lot of astronauts, but that number would be higher if they had not had the astronauts also pilot their crafts. Faith 7, for example.... the computer system failed and caused the reentry capsule to fire its retro rockets early, putting it at the wrong angle for reentry. It would burn up if not corrected.... so Astronaut Gordon Cooper used a grease pen to draw angles on the capsule window (that he could navigate with), used his wrist watch as a timer and manually fired the retro rockets in the proper sequence, for the the proper amount of burn time each... and landed 4 miles from the rescue carrier (which was the closest landing during the program). I think both have had huge impacts on space exploration and, thus, on society as a whole.

[@timlowe225]

Maximov's Brows though... jeez

[@burnbabyburn-od5sy]

they make it sound like you go up so high then you start floating when that could not be farther from the truth

[@BlackPlague1966]

Poluys was flown a year before the Buran in 1987. It was NOT a payload on the first flight of Buran. The Enegria could launch a payload without the Orbiter, a larger one in fact.

[@geemanbmw]

@5:54 you said 1998 when it's 1988 just saying 😬

[@t1mmy13]

What a title for a video.

[@williamnot8934]

Should be: The spaceship that Russia built is junk.

[@Dr.Pepper001]

In Russia there is an abandoned hangar with their space shuttle inside. You can see it in an episode of Bald and Bankrupt.

[@snjert8406]

Yes, those are unfinished prototypes, the one that flew was destroyed

[@Jay0129]

Less than a minute into the video and there's an f'ing ad!?!?!! Sick of it!!!

[@nightlightabcd]

"The Spaceship that Russia Built with Junk - Caught on Camera" You mean like NASA/Boeing's SLS?!

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

270,000,000 Rubles is only 3.3 million USD. You can barely buy a private jet with that.

[@cedricliggins7528]

1:59 general Maksimov looks like Brezhnev

It is quite ridiculous that you say eneregia could do this and that but the Shuttle could only do such and such when energia launched twice, the first one failed...

[@DarrylHart]

Looks nothing at all like the US space shuttle

[@bruceyung70]

Righy😮🎉

[@Rolie-]

You blind?

[@abitofeverything9970]

it wasnt destoyed, iv been in it! it came to Australia years ago, even scratched my name in the tiles. was on display at darling harbour.

[@chezsnailez]

There were/are several prototypes floating around - including a couple abandoned ones rotting in a hanger somewhere. The one that went into space is apparently no more...

[@sicknote1558]

​@@chezsnailezthat actually explains a lot 👍

[@williamerazo3921]

Energia can send a manned moon mission 😊

[@bhami]

5:50 You said 1998, but you meant to say 1988.

[@streamer_services]

Worst thing that could have happened....is to let that program slip away....flawless mission and with no pilots.....just think where we would be today instead of trying to figure out how we got to the moon its really possible that ppl would be living there now.

[@DeputyNordburg]

Unmanned space travel is easy and cheap. Buran was automatic because it had no life support, and it was never reused because one flight ruined it.

[@c_lo01]

If it wasnt for war, nations would be able to create amazing things that benefit humanity.

[@aliensoup2420]

Much of our transformative technology was created under the pretense of war.

[@chezsnailez]

If it wasn't for war, nations would have no real incentive to even exist - much less drive bleeding-edge technology... like the very internet itself...

[@ELITE-xn3sh]

If it wasnt for war , humanity wouldnt have progressed in aviation , rocketry , space exploration at all in the last 90 years

[@July41776DedicatedtoTheProposi]

Better tiles? Did we copy/steal the design?

[@allgood6760]

Space Shuttle 2.0 👍🚀

[@HunterShows]

A fine ending for the Soviet space program.

[@DonaldHolben]

That and build and safety issues with Anything made there.

[@lockheedx33]

The real-life Millennium Falcon

[@rootpotato]

Star Wars 'Reagan' . . . Coming to Disney+ in the autumn

[@kaibotski4939]

junk?? Buran actually isn't a glider and has a navigation auto flight computer.

[@DeputyNordburg]

Buran is a glider. The one with jet engines was not a Buran.

[@cjhards]

Lol, Hilarious! How much progress in 80 years?

[@lazytsfarm3708]

How is it espionage if the plan data was available to the public?

[@RDC_Autosports]

they hate us but yet take all of our ideas 😅

[@kenkloiber2989]

Is this the same as Dark Docs???? Sounds just like the narrator

[@eldavieo]

So what was actually junk and what did they actually steal ? Although they look similar they were very different indeed

[@o15523]

I'd always thought NASA assisted with Buran's development. Silly assumption.

[@Zero-oh8vm]

Buran: a spaceshuttle with an extra year of development😂

[@burnbabyburn-od5sy]

i think americas shuttle can fly with its engins thats how they take off when comeing back to the known relm

[@edwardspan396]

The KZbinr “bald and bankrupt” found the shuttle and broke into its remote hanger to get pictures. It is sad this awesome machine isn’t on display for the Russian people.

[@georgemason8521]

The Blizzard

[@RobSchofield]

Sorry, too many factual inaccuracies and fallacies.

[@natehydro3886]

Say what? looks the same, thats weird , yep made in my backyard.