The Spanish Inquisition: Spain's "Black Legend"

Spain became a byword for cruelty during the 16th and 17th centuries. Professor Ryrie will explore this dark history and highlight some forgotten areas.
A lecture by Alec Ryrie, Gresham Professor of Divinity
25 September 2019 6PM BST
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Spain became a byword for cruelty in much of Europe in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, whether it was the brutality of American colonisation, the tyranny of the Spanish Inquisition or the horrors of the Eighty Years’ War in the Netherlands. This lecture will survey this ‘black legend’ and ask what made it so enduring - and why some parts of the story, such as the Inquisition’s genocidal campaign against Spanish Jews, received so much less attention than others.
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[@RandomThoughts77777]

Amazing to hear a non Catholic scholar speak in a fair and unbiased way about the Catholic Church.

[@george11419]

Very likely he’s also a non Taoist!

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

He could have fooled me.

[@FromTheHeart2]

Assuming humans are capable of total objectivity (which is a contradiction in itself) criticism isn't about "fairness". It is about data. Otherwise it is just another opinion, no matter how sophisticated. My two cents.

[@olivernicholson9666]

I agree. I am an historian of a different era of religious dissension and have been both impressed by the learning of current scholarship on the English Reformation and also depressed by how partisan it is (e.g. Duffy versus McCulloch). Professor Ryrie manages so often to see behind the partisanship.

[@catholiccrusader5328]

True.

[@atunaco]

Thanks from Spain. You cannot imagine what it is to know that you are discriminated against by the dominant culture, for having been born in the country that lost the battle for hegemony three centuries ago. Perhaps the worst of all is that today, we Spaniards ourselves are believing all those ideas about our alleged cruelty, racial inferiority and inhumanity, and in our own country, there are proliferating those who think that they will free themselves from this negative image and its prejudices if they tear into pieces the old Spain.

[@s31720]

You poor, poor people! Perhaps if you didn't spend most of the working day having a nice siesta you'd be more of a global power on the world today.

[@johnnypickles5256]

Pues lo empezó un español fray bartolomé de las casas, algo sabría o que?

[@wallistag8888]

Spain, compared to the Anglo-saxons that came later, was a center of societal rationality, especially with the Habsburgs.

[@atunaco]

@@s31720 That's such a prejudiced, racist and hispanophobic statement that I don't even know why I bother to answer. I'll just tell you that your answer denotes a total ignorance about Spain and the Spaniards.

[@atunaco]

@@johnnypickles5256 Sí, claro Fray Bartolomé de las Casas y Antonio Pérez fueron dos de los Españoles que dieron las primeras ideas respecto a la Leyenda Negra. Ambos tenían sus motivos. En el caso de las Casas, parece que le molestaban mucho los malos tratos a los indígenas americanos, pero nada en absoluto los que pudieran causarse a los esclavos africanos. Un análisis detallado de sus escritos, ha hecho sospechar a los psiquiatras que padecía algún tipo de neurosis. Con todo, lo que se dice en esta conferencia, no es que los españoles no cometieran ninguna atrocidad, si no que no cometieron más que otros pueblos y que a pesar de eso han pasado a la historia como crueles e infrahumanos, lo cual no tiene sentido si no es porque el mundo protestante (que derrotándolos se hizo con la hegemonía mundial), tenía especial interés en desacreditar por completo a lo hispano y de paso a lo católico.

[@glamourweaver]

He did a really great job highlighting the hypocrisy of and exaggeration by Protestant countries promoting a bigoted view of Catholicism and Spaniards, without dismissing or diminishing the real horrors visited on Iberian Jews and Conversos. I’m impressed.

[@catholiccrusader5328]

Me too, the lecturer did a magnificent job of being unbiased with his presentation.

[@raamyasharahla535]

Well 99% truth is still a lie 100% of the time. 😉

[@ColonelFluffles]

Iberian Muslims were the main targets. They were the biggest group of victim, as they were the majority.

[@marcostation1000]

no one is saying spain did not comited crimes. only that the english in both the inquisición times and during the discovery of america, much worsr than the spaniards. And the pro anglo propaganda is coming down with a venganza. lol

[@nedludd7622]

I am not. Just read up on the Catholic extermination of the Cathars in Southern France.

[@pablopumarestaminiau7512]

Minor observation; when the speaker says that Spanish laws concerning the conversos was a precursor to anti Semitism, he could have mentioned that by this time there weren't Jewish communities left in the rest of Europe. Seems odd to discuss the roots of anti-Semitism by focussing on the last country to actually have Jews left, don't you think.

[@pablopumarestaminiau7512]

When Spain finally decided to expel Jewish people who refused to convert, Italy, England and France applauded the decision. It was written about as if medieval Spain was finally entering modernity. Spain had been viewed by them as backwards precisely for harbouring religious minorities. There were rumours in Italy claiming Queen Isabel was part Jewish .. How else could she possibly be protecting Jews? But, yes, tell me again how Spanish views were a precursor to antisemitism.

[@DeOmnibusDubitandum76]

Just as a curiosity, the Inquisition in Spain was the first to officially end witchcraft trials in Europe.

[@sualtam9509]

Another one, the Papal States had the lowest number of witch trials in all of Europe.

[@jesussanchezherrero5659]

Yeah. Catholicism denied the existence of magic

[@amuurakanriot7055]

It was the removal of alkemetic or moorish science to take the narrative nd control alchemy the science the mason took an made their own.

[@BicornioSPA]

@@sualtam9509 How you can be lower than zero.

[@kennywarner7688]

No it wasn't witch craft..it was hewbrews they persecuted

[@JohnDowFirst]

The first European genocide of the modern age, the massacre of the Vendée, seems to have been totally ignored by modernity. Around 170,000 Vendéans, many women and children, were systematically liquidated by the Revolutionary Army. Yet, it is almost unknown, unnoticed in the world.

[@giovanniacuto2688]

Extraordinary the similarities between the persecution of the Catholic Vendeans by the atheistic revolutionary armies and the persecution of the Huguenots by the Catholics during the French Wars of Religion of the 16th century. Modern estimates for the number of dead across France following the St Bartholomew's Day massacre vary widely, from 5,000 to 30,000. Obviously there is a difference in scale but that may reflect also changes in population. If you go back further to the time of the Albigensian crusade in the 12th century At least 200,000 to at most 1,000,000 Cathars were killed by the French Catholic armies. It seems that the French have a penchant for this sort of thing

[@Es97Coqui]

That’s because nowadays being white means you can never ever be a victim 🤷🏻‍♂️ not even in history

[@whitepanties2751]

1,000,000 Cathars???

[@180169LS]

@@whitepanties2751 la inquisición es una creación FRANCESA, y su función fué la de castigar a esos cismáticos herejes de los Cátaros. Por tanto la inquisición no era sólo Española, sino también era propia de muchos otros países, caso de las brujas de SALEM.

[@ceoofracism12]

@@whitepanties2751 it's a made up number lol

[@jardindorado]

From a Spanish citizen, thank you very much. Great lecture.

[@m.x.]

For what exactly? The Black Legend is a well-documented fact in history that still exists to this day, but Alec Ryrie denies it while keeps perpetuating anti-Spanish and anti-Catholic political propaganda. He's a fraud.

[@roybatty2979]

La película 1492, El descubrimiento de América, comienza en Salamanca, ciudad castellana con la tercera universidad más antigua de Europa, centro de conocimiento durante la Edad Media, donde unos fanáticos con acento mexicano están quemando brujas, por su puesto, producción británica. Este es un buen resumen del trabajo de propaganda realizado especialmente por los ingleses y los holandeses, contra la potencia mundial que se prolongó durante casi 300 años, el Imperio Español. Hechos que sucedieron hace más de 500 años, mal documentados, después de los cuales ha habido mucho tiempo para poner y quitar. Débil esbozo de la realidad. Una vez más, los ingleses tuvieron que ser los que dieran su versión de nuestra propia historia. Y lo malo es que luego, como siempre, la opinión pública mundial se lo cree.

[@Anonimo-xm6kt]

La gente que cree en estas afirmaciones son incultos o mal documentados.

[@su_morenito_1948]

Salamanca es una ciudad leonesa repoblada por leoneses

[@mariafh8629]

Ahora ya no hace falta ese cien, basta con ver algunos vídeos de pseudo-historiadores en youtube sobre leyenda negra como un tal crash ...abominable lo que dice sobre los españoles y por extensión a los hispanos con casi 10 millones de visualizaciones. Y borra los comentarios desacreditando con datos lo que ha puesto, como los míos por ejemplo .

[@anonjan82]

Ah so sad. What a victims you are...

[@pulsarplay5808]

@@anonjan82 La verdad es la verdad, la diga Agamenón o su porquero.

[@Souliban]

The Black Legend....or how English, Dutch , French,etc.. expressed their jealousy of the Spanish Empire, the Potential Power during 4 centuries

[@carlossimancas9867]

Elvira Roca: "many students ask me how was possible that all that wonderful Empire felt down and collapsed in very short time, and I always try to explain to them that the real miracle was to mantain that enormous Empire along 300 years". The french envy is legendary, they are very clever but, at the same time, they are not able to explain how they couldn't build and Empire being as wonderful and intelligent as they are. The myth of Black Legend made by dutch and english was a mere political propaganda...which unfortunately for Spain and Southamerica still remains to these days

[@julioprego1956]

Well said

[@cristianpopescu78]

@@carlossimancas9867 I think french loosed the technogical Contests towards England.England was the first Land which let the medieval System behind..That Newton was born in England wasnt a random event.England had allready had the scientists Background for the later economycal and technological boom.The steam engine invention taking place in England,again, was not an accident.If you wach the ' history of precision',on you tube, how amazing the modern Industry crutial Elements, that time, was invented in England, it become clear where the perfect fertile ground all kind of industrial discoveriers were,as center of power.I can remember how the english minister had taken very inspired decision to placate all war see ships with cooper plate,very expensive thing..As the result french loosed their american colonies.This is a warning how politics science and technology drive nations up/ down..China seems to be the next Champion,..seems...

[@carlossimancas9867]

@@cristianpopescu78 Freedom, science, law, commerce and prosperity, militar power, optimism....were always the main ingredients to build an empire. It is not a coincidence if you study the histpry of Greece, Rome, Spain, England and United States.

[@FromTheHeart2]

On point!

[@helenamcginty4920]

I grew up as a Catholic in 1950s Blackpool, N W England and ran a gauntlet of scruffy kids on our way back from school being slapped, spat at, school hats thrown in the gutter and called dirty catholics. I have even seen vitriolic anti catholic comments (often with little relevance to the article they comment on) in papers such as the Daily Telegraph before I stopped reading it a few years ago. Anti Catholicism is still alive in Britain but in England probably dying out with my generation. Though still alive in parts of Scotland and N Ireland of course.

[@chriscoke2505]

I hope you’re still practicing the faith

[@rh81454]

I'm very skeptical of white anglo saxon protestants as they're referred to in the U.S., now calling catholics fellow christians because of the anti catholic sentiment over the last century resulting in the lynchings of Irish, Italians, and Mexicans.

[@tariq4054]

Go read my post

[@angelmoreno6577]

In Kennedy's campaign 1960 a person: "not vote Kennedy for what Pope ruled over we" Sorry for my english

[@Paz3873]

​@@angelmoreno6577It is so funny that the real separation State- Church is in tbe Catholic Church, protestantism is State= Church

[@pablopumarestaminiau7512]

In Spain, the number of women executed for witchcraft was ...59. Compare that to Germany or England. Seems to me that you would rather be judged for heresy by the Spanish Inquisition than by their European equivalents. That has something to do with the strict procedural nature of the Spanish Inquisition, which was better at guaranteeing one's rights at that time and age, than some of the other equivalent religious courts in Europe.

[@xmaverickhunterkx]

You can add that that trend came directly from the North, and was not happening in Spain for the longest time. It entered Spain and was put an end soon.

[@franciscomunoz2222]

@@xmaverickhunterkx Jews were first killed, persecuted, and expelled from England in 1290- from Yorkshire if we believe Benjamin Netanyahu. And hundreds faceless and nameless were tortured and disappeared during the Tudor police state. Not all civilized rectifiers during this brutal period of European history came from the north.

[@baltasarmelchor935]

It is very difficult to distinguish a witch from a Spanish woman.

[@angelmoreno6577]

​@@baltasarmelchor935pero en España es bastante fácil distinguir a un gilipollas

[@robespierre466]

The "Black Legend" is a term long used by Spanish writers to denote the ancient body of propaganda against the Iberian peoples which began [sic] in sixteenth century England and has since been a handy weapon for the rivals of Spain and Portugal in the religious, maritime, and colonial wars of those four centuries. American Council on Education

[@cuacomekiki]

Not really. Read the encyclopedia Britannica about Black legend: First slander against Spain begings in the 14th century in Italy. There is literature on this matter writen by non_Spanish schollars, and even no Hispanic ones such us Lummis (US), Arnoldsson (Swiss) or Payne, Kamen (England), Prescott (US), Gullo (Argentina). These include historians, and political scientists, not just writters.

[@paulokano5032]

Great exposition of what the Inquisition was actually like. It seems like there is a definite drive and motivation to what atrocities are presented before us. We always need empathy and compassion, but we must also see when atrocities are used to direct our anger and common struggle for questionable purposes.

[@koenvanvlaenderen5568]

And therefore even the holy holocaust story must be debatable and be questionable, and not be accepted automatically as a 100% true story, because much of it could be propaganda. Yet, Ryrie only mentions "the holocaust denier", so he is as much subjective and politically correct as a historian as anyone else.

[@alber.a1232]

Nobody expects the Spanish Black Legend!

[@SR-jr5nh]

This should be the real meme

[@frl8031]

Interesting how the German inquisition never got mentioned. Far worse by any metric. The Spanish inquisition was scorned in the English speaking world so much, in part, due to the rivalry between the Spanish and British empires

[@luispos00]

Very true, the french inquisition also was worst in some aspects. The britts are a kind of cruel with us, );

[@Autobotmatt428]

Ya but Spain gets more of the press

[@shakiMiki]

How do you caluclate it was worse?

[@jesusseoane2296]

@@shakiMiki the French in one single day where responsible for the dead of almost ten times the Spanish Inquisition in 300 years , the day was August 24-25 1572 The night of Bartolommeo.

[@marcostation1000]

i know french put women and children in ovens

[@azmodanpc]

The kind of professor I hoped I would find at my university. Articulate, knowledgable and able to explain in detail and context the subject matters he's teaching. Out of nearly 20 professors I had in my stint at my college, only 2 were near his level. Thanks to the Internet I'm able to learn some very interesting stuff from really top notch professors!

[@strangelitgirl]

I can feel not only his passion and expertise on the subject, but I can feel his enthusiasm for wanting us (the “students”) to really understand the complexities of the time and want us to feel immersed in that era. I am riveted to my seat during his lectures ❤️

[@tariq4054]

Go read my post this Professor left out a whole bunch of history.

[@robertlehnert4148]

Edward Peter's 1977 book, _Inquisition_ was one of the first to demonstrate there is actually TWO Spanish Inquisitions: the first being the actual historical entity, and the second being the agitprop creation of English pamphleteers working in a semi-official campaign to discredit Spain by the excuse of attacking the ravenously cruel Papist Inquisition--- because criticizing the Spanish Monarchy could quickly bleed over attacking Monarchy, including the insecure Tudors, in general. Hence, the Black Legend and the Spanish Inquisition of black propaganda, FAR exceeding the actual trials and executions, and yes actual atrocities.

[@herrero4270]

There are many books which DEMOSTRATE otherwise. The "insecure" Tudors created a great empire, manwhile the Spanish monarchy descended into decadence and backwardness. The Spanish intolerance and fanatism was not only demonstrated in their Inquisition, but also in the religious wars, the forced conversions of the American indians and the expelling of an entire nation from Spain because of ther faith.

[@ricardolado7446]

The Tudors had no Empire when Elizabeth I died. England really rose to power in 1815. Please check the historical record

[@herrero4270]

@@ricardolado7446 Maybe the SPANSIH "historical" records. The rest of the world knows better. England began to colonize América at the end of the 16th century. Thus, beginning an empire. Not the hegemonic empire, but an empire. British became the hegemonic empire in the 19th century, but that is another thing. And meanwhile the Spanish empire did not began through their own efforts, but only through a marriage, meaning through the bed of the son of an emperor, England made its empire through their own effort. And meanwhile Spain is now a second rate country, England is a world power. It's ridiculous and childish to make those kinds of comparisons.

[@mito88]

@@herrero4270 spain a second rate country and england a super power... Is this a childish and ridiculous comparison?

[@herrero4270]

@@mito88 No, it is correct.

[@pablopumarestaminiau7512]

Comparing the executions of the Spanish Inquisition (about 3,000 in 340 years, or 3% of the cases accounted in the archives) to death penalty executions in the United States several centuries later... where the crime of heresy was already a thing of the past, does not seem very academic. You should compare like with like. Compare it to the German witch trials from 16th-18th century A similar inquisition persecuting heresy killed between 20,000 and 30,000 women, accused of witchcraft. That's at least ten times as many executions in less time. Yet we're not talking about the German inquisition, somehow.

[@alvarorodriguez1592]

Anyone interested in witches knows that the book on identifying witches was written by a german.

[@blackedmirror5073]

Can you make playlists that group the lectures by the same speakers together?

[@jardindelashesperides]

A huge Black Legend camouflagged as we are very civilized with a very long list of attrocities worldwide but failed totally about the attrocities close to home. The huge attrocity of the total murdering of the native American people or as the saying at that time. The best indian was a dead one! Needless to say that all the Native American were killed without mercy and today USA and Canada are two huge counties in the continent where their Native American were killed but this is not genocide. One a small Hispanic country like El Salvador Have 1000.000 time more native american than those two huge countries put together. Native Americans you can find in Hispanic countries like Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, Bolivia, Paraguay, Chile, Guatemala, etc. The Native Australian were not recognize as human beings and were killed on horseback. In Tasmania all aboriginals were killed but it makes no different as the Wonderfull colonisers regarded the Aboriginals as not better than an animal and consequently most were murdered. The same happened with the Maoris in New Zealand where again the natives were considered humanly slightly better than wild animals. The lies of the Black Legend is coming to light now. There were 19 Universities in Latin American counties built by the Spanish. and 325 Hospitals while there were none in USA and Canada! So there were not just thouse magnificent Cathedrals and Churges. There are 19 World Heritage building in the Americas but none in the other colonies outside Spanish main as Spain treated all the natives and mestizos as SPANISH. PLEASE TOP THE BLACK LEGEND and have a small degree of distance in your awful aberration of continuing with the false Black Legend used by the other empires of that time to steal the land and have the native population killed. Ireland was another country which suffered terribly under the murderous troops of Cronwell and the slavery of the Irish which were sold in the American continent. From a population of 8 million people are 3 centuries after just five millions!! Do you know why?

[@pablopumarestaminiau7512]

Another observation; from what I understand from modern researchers such as María Elvira Roca Barea , the Spanish inquisition actually had rigid judicial procedures in place that curtailed their powers. It's what set them apart from earlier inquisitions, such as the French and Italian ones.

[@danremenyi1179]

There are very few people who can engage an audience as you cam. Well done. And thank you very much.

[@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING]

What a way to clear up a lot of missing context! Amazing lecture, thank you from me, 4 years in the future from the time of this talk.

[@fr.michaelknipe4839]

Thanks for posting. A great lecture. I’ve enjoyed every one of Dr Ryie’s presentations

[@anesar]

Worst atrocities were perpetrated by English against Catholics in his own territory in sixteenth and seventeenth centuries,. By the way, a forgetted genocide, in the beginning of XX century in Fillipinnes, more than a million people massacred by American troops

[@allenlazur5785]

Brilliant ! Professor Ryrie ! Thank you ! Will consider myself fortunate to Follow this Series you put forth ! I look ahead !

[@helenamcginty4920]

Have had this in my watch later section for ages. Fascinating.

[@BlackDNA1492]

Fascinating. Gifted lecturer.

[@Paz3873]

Spanish Inquisition was far more fair than English Star Chamber and French Lettre de Cachet

[@blackedmirror5073]

The third of this lecture series was posted. Where is the second? What’s it called?

[@GreshamCollege]

We've just updated the playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLU3TaPgchJtSe4Je7J4TBs0GfyIg-TUxX

[@adagietto2523]

This looks to be a very promising and thought-provoking series, as one would expect from Prof. Ryrie's previous lectures here.

[@s31720]

Are you nuts? I agree Prof. Ryrie is a great lecturer but this is amongst his worse lectures of all time.

[@robinhard111]

@@s31720 That is a mere assertion, how can anyone know whether or not you yourself are nuts?

[@chh6741]

Starts at 26:00

[@j0nnyism]

Wow that was quite a preamble

[@maxsonthonax1020]

A pre-... ramble, even.

[@thumper8684]

The exagerated numbers killed in the twin towers attack were reported without critisism in British media, while the numbers killed in the Grenfell fire were played down. This points to Professor Ryrie's larger point about stories of atrocities serving different agendas. It tells me that our constitionally unbiased national media (the BBC) has very slippery standards.

[@arnoldconrad744]

What was exaggerated about the Twin Towers official death toll?

[@thumper8684]

@@arnoldconrad744 Early estimates were around 10,000 and this was reported uncritically in the news.

[@johnsmith-mv8hq]

@@thumper8684 It was base on an assessment of building maximum occupancy and capacity and the time of the attacks - being that at the time of the attacks it was assumed many people would already be at work. The estimates didn't account for evacuation as it wasn't known how effective they had been. The estimates were always saying 'could be as high as'... Whereas the Grenfell estimates were never properly understood as many of the flats had multiple occupancy and estimating how many families were in residence at the time of the fire was next to impossible. Unlike the controlled access to the Twin Towers and workers roll calls, estimating the occupancy of a residential building without controlled access and roll-calls is always going to be a guess. There was no agenda behind either estimates and to suggest otherwise seems a little mischievous.

[@thumper8684]

@@johnsmith-mv8hq So you are saying that the estimates of the casualties were based on capacity because that was a natural assumption based on the time of day. Grenfell Tower was a block of flats and the fire occured at 3 AM. It is safe to say it was at peak capacity. The mis-estimate of deaths in the Twin Towers attack was five times the actual numbers. The estimate of the casualties was a fraction of the true number. There were informal estimates at the time from first responders at Grenfell that were closer to the true figure. This is evident from interviews with people people involved, albeit not directly from the first responders. Why do you see my comment as mischevous? I have a point of view. The BBC is a large organisation with a complex of motivations that can be contradictory. The mandate of balanced journalism is not really definable and they tend towards a policy of appeasement. There is a bias in who they feel they need to appease. I also think there is a party political and class bias which has gotten ridiculous in the last decade, but that is not the argument I was wanting to make.

[@johnsmith-mv8hq]

@@thumper8684 I saw your remark as mischievous in that, I believed, it insinuated a bias of BBC reporting where errors might just be that: human error. No agenda need be behind a mistake. There appears to be an increasing tendency in any discourse these days to ascribing some deeper socio-political structural or ideological posture to any situation where none need exist. To suggest the BBC erred with covering Grenfell from 'slippery' standards led me to that conclusion. My suggestion that Grenfell's occupancy figures may be mistaken is simply that it would have been easy to calculate the estimated population from making assumptions about occupancy per bedroom. But that would, of course, lead to errors as there's clearly going be a heterogeneous population of occupancy given differing social circumstances of each resident. Buildings are designed with emergency evacuation in mind and this limits population capacity. Grenfell was erected in 1967 - predating many of later fire 'means of escape' regulations introduced for fire safety in the early 1970's; but which emerged from studies and hard practical lessons learned from the mid-1940s in the UK onwards. Ironically, it the earlier attack on the Twin Towers in 1993 that helped mislead estimates. The Twin Towers were notorious for poor design in terms of 'means of escape' and the experience of 1993 and people also assuming max capacity so early in the day only confused matters. When the 1993 bomb went off 50,000 people had to be evacuated from the WTC estate. This was clearly on people's minds on 9/11. I know they were on mine. Making a heuristic calculation 'on the fly' has little to do with proper standards of journalism. Could the BBC have fact checked? Perhaps. But they weren't the only news gathering organisation there or covering the event. Perhaps I misinterpreted your remark. If so, I am sorry and can only ascribe this to the blunt instrument of KZbin commentary lacking nuance of tone and delivery. This goes to my point (and your own additional comment and explanation) about your remark being seen as mischievous - raising the issue of BBC coverage was unhelpful. They weren't alone in making errors of estimation. Singling them out as they are the legally ordained public broadcaster suggested to me (incorrectly, it seems!) that you'd fallen into the trap of seeing the BBC as the mouth-piece for HMG. When the typical situation is often, as you say, that the BBC is at odds with the government in power at any single time and has to dance around very carefully indeed to maintain it's neutrality. As you point out, if anyone in the UK were reading the newspapers from either side of the political spectrum they could easily conclude that the BBC was simultaneously basically the Tory Party and a hotbed of Soviet-era sedition. Both arguments do often get made in various newspapers. :/ First responders to Grenfell almost certainly had better information about the population of the building from both their experience of the local situation and from inspections. I understand that Grenfell had been inspected twice in the months prior to the tragic fire. Doubtless this played a part in fire crews understanding the building much more than had it not been inspected. That the building failed each inspection and remedial efforts weren't undertaken to improve matters shines no glory on the local authority. :/ That the BBC and others did not know any of that at the time seems just to be the ordinary run of things - thus they had to make poor estimates. Sadly, journalists aren't omniscient.

[@abzanali7779]

Interesting information. As we have seen , we as humans still not learning from the mistakes of the past.

[@robinpatterson9433]

We never will as humans. It still goes on.

[@alicianieto2822]

Funny thing is, the BBC made an amazing documentary on it that taught me about the black legend before any Spanish source did! And then they backtracked like their life and funding depended on it for two decades. XD

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

When they discovered they were wrong.

[@jdlc903]

They didn't backtrack. That's ridiculous. The black legend (exaggerating the inquisition) was pursued in the 1600's . Not in the last 20 years.

[@jdlc903]

I say the same documentary ,which was my first introduction

[@enlosluceros7236]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 when they discovered that Spain is actually their enemy and they where helping it by saying the truth

[@PLawton2900]

Those Muslims were the Moors aka Blackamoors of Israel, many of whom converted to Islam, and later Christianity, were later expelled. Hence the origin of the term Marrano.

[@zmezgar2387]

Hence the word Marrano? What about the Pig?

[@zmezgar2387]

I know you are not trying to connect the word Marrano with Moor. 1st of all the word Moor is an English word. Los Moros o Moriscos are or come from Mauritania. The Jews not the Moors were called Marranos, please don’t get that twisted. A Marrano means PIG! Till this day it means PIG. The Sefardim were hated so bad by the Christians that they fed the prisoners pork! And were called a disgrace, and Marrano that only deserved scraps. And btw, they were given pork as well as they were held imprisoned without food and would only give them Pork “Marrano” to test their faith, as to why many died of starvation.....and here we are 2024 giving in to Christianity as if The Most High didn’t tell us HE IS ONE and there is NO ONE ELSE BUT HIm his equal.

[@zmezgar2387]

And no they were not they were Ishmaelites. The Muslim of Spain were descendent of Ishmael and knew that the “jews” of Spain were their cousins. Please stop making up stories. They spoke the language as well. Many converted as well, many came into South Central America as well. Hispanic people still carry on many cultural aspects our ancestors brought back from Spain’ Our ancestors spoke the Hebrew and the Galician with over 5000 words of Arab derived words that we Hispanic people still use till this day. They spoke ladino which is a,mixture Hebrew and Spanish. Same as the Spanish Arab, their Arab had many of the Galician “Spanish” in it. No matter how much people will deny their s a history trail.......and so much paper trail. But we ain’t out here wanting the light to shine on us. We know and what we do with that info is on our hand.

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

I guess this "cultural memory" of the Black Legend has been passed on and preserved in South Africa, since your average, even secular, Afrikaner (17th C. Dutch being the major ancestral component, at least culturally) will usually have anti-Catholic views, usually based on the Black legend and other slanders or calumnies.

[@hannamakela6989]

Mesmerizing speaker! :)

[@joeldobbs7396]

I have listened to several lectures in this series now and find them fascinating and informative. Some of the comments seem to come from an insecure view of how their nations history is being portrayed but I don't see any bias or judgment in this lecture. 40 years ago all I was taught about Canada's residential schools was that "First nations children were given a free education in schools operated by the government and religious organizations ". I am glad that we no longer whitewash our history and that children are taught the truth, shame is always preferable to ignorance.

[@mikem820]

And let’s not forget our little ‘atrocity’ in Mai lai in 69.... which the u.s. is more than happy to erase from history

[@r.ladaria135]

May be Voltaire did not dare to write about the trials in France.

[@cinderelladevil1687]

The French people never speak about their own flaws or shortcomings. But they have lots os skeletons in the cupboard. Even nowadays they have much to conceal about their policies in Africa.

[@philipcoriolis6614]

@@cinderelladevil1687 Are all modern French people alive responsible for what - some of - their long dead ancestors did ?

[@cinderelladevil1687]

@@philipcoriolis6614 and are the Spaniards to blame for their forebears' "faults"? Because we have been putting up with lies and bad reputation for ages. It is high time that every western power tastes that stapple. Bitter, isnt it???? The French are benefiting from their postcolonial monetary policies in Africa. In Chirac's words without that rubbish imperialism, France would be insignificant in the big world. They keep on ruining that continent.

[@philipcoriolis6614]

@@cinderelladevil1687 Why would Spanish people from the XXI century be responsible from what some of their ancestors did in the XVI century ? Talking about the Conquistadores, Smallpox and Salmonella did most of the job by the way.

[@cinderelladevil1687]

@@philipcoriolis6614 ask those who spread the black legend about Spain. I am fed up with all those lies. But still you did not answer about the French policies in Africa nowadays.

[@mkdubose]

Likely less forgotten than intentionally hidden, like many such atrocities that have occurred throughout history.

[@Matt6X]

I am impressed about the objectivity of this lecture , though I found some dark spot (information blackout) for obvious reasons, I guess, related with the first 1000 victims.

[@XxMadermanxX]

could you expand on that?

[@bremnersghost948]

Atrocities are usually committed in the Belief that killing a relatively small number at the time will cause enough Terror in an Enemy to ensure Submission and less Casualties in future Campaigns, Though this has proved to be Counter Productive when Religion or Politics are involved.

[@Matt6X]

Oh it worked so well in Vandee..and the world seem to be as silent about it as possible...

[@marcoscastillojaen1888]

La inquisición la practicaron más los protestantes europeos qe los católicos españoles.

[@mariafh8629]

Eso pasa por hacer archivos, recoger nombres, fechas...donde se ponga una buena causa protestante contra herejes o brujas sin datos , que se quite todo lo demas 😂

[@Meechl0uch]

What happened to the Jews and moors that were exiled to Saint Thomas, Angola, and Brazil that were raised as Christians and Slaves?

[@raumschiff]

0:00 - 25:19 Waxing academically. 25:19 - 26:00 Overlook of the lecture series. 26:00 The Spanish Inquisition.

[@MichiMind]

👍🏽

[@ellistonstonemusic1996]

Interesting view point of the inquisition. I would like to see you in a debate on this subject. The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

[@cherylguest7415]

Exactly!!!! The Spanish inquisition gives a description of who was expelled and it definitely wasn't the description of the modern day Jewish people. I would like for him to go so far as to talk about where they were expelled to.

[@ellistonstonemusic1996]

@@cherylguest7415 There lie are falling apart

[@diegoapalategui579]

3200 deaths in 300 years of Spanish inquisitio This is a black legend anticatholic propagandist. Elisabeth the second protestant inquisition: 100.00ü deaths. Add Cromwell, Henry VIII etc...

[@mariafh8629]

Este hombre dice que va contra la leyenda negra pero no explica nada de lo que se hacia en Europa, America o Asia contra los católicos. Yo puse que Torquemada era converso y no aparece mi comentario.....En fin, aun así hay otras paginas con millones de visualizaciones que se deberían denunciar, que si que contiene leyenda negra . Abominables

[@jm.2127]

Thank you 🙌👏👏

[@alexandrahanson-harding4666]

A powerful series that calls to our moral imagination. I have enjoyed--no, wrong word--listened to this series with care and appreciated these lectures very much.

[@ruisdb]

A question: at least twice it is pointed out that the inquisition tribunal conducted torture. I am not an expert in Spanish Inquisition; in the portuguese inquistion, the use of torture was possible only in later stages of the investigation and was not conducted by the inquisitorial office but by state officers. What was the procedure in Spain?

[@goodaimshield1115]

The Inquisition could actually use torture, but only in very specific situations, and there were only 3 different ways fo torture, non could include bleeding not perpetual damage. It was, as in Portugal, in the later stages of investigations, only in around 5% of the cases. And I am not sure about who actually carried out the torture, but it was most probably a state officer, though the Inquisition had some lawyers supervising everything, since the torture methods used by the Insquisition were far more restricted than those of the secular tribunals. They had to make sure the torture was no longer than 15 minutes, and that it was not applied twice, that there was no bleeding, etc. So I guess they did intervene somehow in the process.

[@herrero4270]

You are confused. The torture was CONDUCTED by the Inquisition everywhere, but EXECUTED by the secular arm. The inquisitors were present during the torture, made the interrogatories and gave orders to the torturers, but didn't touch the corpses of the convicts. The inquisitors were hypocrites with double standards, so they can blame others of those actions.

[@Trikipum]

@@herrero4270 what corpses idiots.. did you miss the part where it says torture couldnt not cause permanent damage nor bleeding?.

[@karldavis7392]

"Memories can be kept discreetly in a freezer for a very long time, and reheated very fast." That's true.

[@goodaimshield1115]

"Inquisition genocidal campaign against Spanish Jews"... too much for British historians, I guess. A conference about the Black Legend, yet the description of the video itself is a fine example of the aforementioned anti-Catholic and anti-Spanish propaganda. Good job. Once a pirate, always a pirate, I gess, not that it should surprise us any more. British be British. For the next Black Legend video, let me recommend to you the genocidal English campaign against English Jews in 1290. You're welcome.

[@ashcross]

The English have a monopoly on genocide?

[@AnexoRialto]

One genocide does not exculpate another.

[@ashcross]

Greg K And your reply doesn’t answer mine.

[@goodaimshield1115]

There was no genocide. At least in the case of Spain and the Jews. Or in the case of Spain in general. Spain NEVER commited genocide. Period.

[@MrNebur3]

@@AnexoRialto Spain expelled the Jews who did not convert to Catholicism. In fact, a few years ago, the descendants of those expelled Jews (those who have been able to demonstrate that they are descendants and who have decided to acquire it) were granted Spanish nationality. Spain expelled in order to create a country with a single religion, so it was given the option to stay and the one who left took all the belongings, except those that could not. The purpose of England was to seize the wealth of these. Genocide is systematic extermination. Current Latin America: it is mestizo and in some countries they are mostly indigenous. Therefore, there was no genocide. If we look at the US, the few indigenous people that remain are on reservations, clearly what happened there was genocide.

[@Jackthesmilingblack]

Terror is theatre.

[@stephengrande3208]

I was looking forward to this as I am genuinely curious about what happened in Europe due to religious differences. In the end I was extremely disappointed. It should never take anyone 30 minutes of a 60 minute lecture for an introduction before getting to the specific subject matter.

[@derekhcohen7856]

I agree. The intro was was too long. I started to wash dishes

[@greg5023]

25:59 START discussion of Spanish Inquisition.

[@stephengrande3208]

Im glad Im not the only one who was upset about this. A 60 minute lecture should not have a 30 min "introduction"

[@s31720]

Thank you!

[@ashtracold]

He ist making an attempt to justify his bunch of propaganda coming next

[@nekrasovo]

Matthew Hopkins (c. 1620 - 12 August 1647) was an English witch-hunter whose career flourished during the English Civil War. He claimed to hold the office of Witchfinder General, although that title was never bestowed by Parliament. His activities mainly took place in East Anglia.[1] Hopkins' witch-finding career began in March 1644[a] and lasted until his retirement in 1647. He and his associates were responsible for more people being hanged for witchcraft than in the previous 100 years,[2][3] and were solely responsible for the increase in witch trials during those years.[4][5][6] He is believed to have been responsible for the executions of over 100 alleged witches between the years 1644 and 1646.[7] It has been estimated that all of the English witch trials between the early 15th and late 18th centuries resulted in fewer than 500 executions for witchcraft.[citation needed] Therefore, presuming the number executed as a result of investigations by Hopkins and his colleague John Stearne is at the lower end of the estimates,[8][9][10] their efforts accounted for about 20% of the total. In the 14 months of their crusade Hopkins and Stearne sent to the gallows more accused people than all the other witch-hunters in England of the previous 160 years.[11]

[@dionisioareopagita9533]

your copy and paste is funny. You didn't read it.

[@nekrasovo]

@@dionisioareopagita9533 Obviously is very tired...have to write all the text to palliate your lack of histoy knowledge...and its the History of your country its suppose....Im spaniard I know perfectly my History and Im affraid the yours. Unfortunatelly u can say the same about your country....but its never too late to take off your blinders

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Any information on the 100,000-150,000 women killed by Swiss Calvinist protestants as supposed witches?

[@goodlookingcorpse]

52:30 Was he a Flemish merchant? Or was he a kind of idealized Renaissance man?

[@djmills2040]

I was wondering if you were going to mention the horrors that King Leopold, and The other European nations that joined him and what they did in the Congo.

[@lesterwyoung]

What a magnificent presenter!

[@alejandrorp5160]

Skip to 26:06

[@rami-sep]

Fair enough.. thank you from Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦

[@robertogarcia8115]

Judge a society of 16 century is similar than judge Roman Empire

[@purapinedo6466]

Thanks for your information. I liked also Henry Kamen book "The Spanish Inquisition".

[@Anonimo-xm6kt]

Eres española o sudamericana y apoyas esta acusacion de crueldad?

[@carlosgracia9888]

Kamen write books for Mr. Roper and his friends.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Is that his revisionist, factually based publication of 1998?

[@cristianpopescu78]

Great work! We need badly such clarifications in this time of modern dark age.👍from me !!

[@Angel_Gomez]

This should have more views

[@s31720]

How about sharing it with your friends then, instead of typing that and doing nothing else? Twonk.

[@Angel_Gomez]

@@s31720 I've done it, clever boy. I suggest you do the same.

[@yetga5776]

@@Angel_Gomez You remember sharing this 8 months ago?

[@Angel_Gomez]

@@yetga5776 I remember sharing it when I saw it, as I always do with every interesting video I see

[@azanulbizar12]

@@s31720 You must be fun at parties

[@ozzloza85]

Facts not fiction...Mexico is 50 % Amerindian the US is less than 1%. The Spanish didn't exterminate they assimilted

[@stevenrubin9021]

Machaivelli's Prince (1532) talks of the "pious cruelty" of Ferdinand against the Marranos. Earliest criticism I know of.

[@erne24]

Siento que muchos españoles han visto el video pero no han entendido el punto jaja

[@robertwatson7987]

Interesting overall, but this lecture made me feel uncomfortable on the matter of the use of the word 'atrocity'. The word 'atrocity' is surely a fairly new word in this context, gaining common currency or otherwise circulated for the widespread purposes of news stories, if I recall correctly, around about when the speaker would have been a child. Or am I wrong?

[@pendlera2959]

Just because a word is new doesn't mean the concept it represents is new.

[@robertwatson7987]

@@pendlera2959 Yeah, sure. And he correctly details the politicization of that concept in the first half.

[@ashleydelfin1758]

about the so-called "La Leyenda Negra" (The Black Legend) and why is it a factor in the noticeably anti-Spanish sentiments prevailing in the way Philippine history during the Spanish period is taught and written ?

[@sapereaude3057]

Who taught history at that time in schools and in what language? It's easy to understand. In the history books of Puerto Rico, the arrival of the United States was praised and it is said that the people received them with open arms, but they were really received by gunfire and under brutal resistance ...

[@tanker102]

@@sapereaude3057 I mean.... USA literally back stabbed Spain to "free the people under Spanish control" when the same people didn't wanted to leave Spain

[@lux2132]

@@sapereaude3057 And most of Puerto Ricans were birracial or ethnically Spaniards, whom lived in a prominently stable economy as an overseas province (Thanks to Isabel II). Obviously the Puerto Ricans didn't want the Anglo Americans at their doorstep.

[@Trikipum]

@@sapereaude3057 Indeed, puerto ricans received the americans with guns.. of course, they had nothing to do against such a superior force, but at least they showed them they werent welcomed.

[@angelmoldes5086]

Envy is a terrible sin...that is what happened with Spain and the rest of Europe...still applies nowadays when Spain tries to wake up from the 200 years of black and foggy night...everyone knows in many world chancelleries that if the Hispanic world suddenly awakes and get together in any possible way, it will be a huge change in the geopolitical playground....we will see what happens.

[@g.v.3493]

I have studied Relativity (including black holes) for decades. I also knew about the “black hole of Calcutta” since high school history class. This is the first and only time I’ve ever heard someone try to make a connection between the two.

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

and about time, right?

[@miltonkilimanjaro2953]

Muy intersante . Congratulations

[@bakhop]

Actually, the Belgian atrocities occurred in the 1870s, not WWI, and so whatever propaganda use they had was at least 40 years old by the time of its use by the Allies.

[@siblinganon66]

Atrocities committed in Belgium not by. Belgium wasn't invaded in the franco prussian war of 1870/71. It was during ww1.

[@lawrencejames8011]

The 'Belgian atrocities' in the Congo were between 1885 and 1914: the German atrocities in Belgium [ and northern France ] were in 1914-1918 and included mass deportations for forced labour in Germany.

[@nelsongonzalez4533]

Anti-spanish propaganda, which the British in particular were extremely experts at. That's why it's called the black leyend.

[@dionisioareopagita9533]

The Spaniards have an amazing record of spreading lies against other people. They build propaganda against sefardits, moors, protestants, calvinist, muslims, french, english, dutch, masons, socialists, communists, anarchists, native amiricans, gypsies, jesuits, Libertadores, turcs. I never met any culture with the same level of prejudice against other people.

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

yeah well, you Spanish had it coming; sending the basterd Duke of Alva to the Netherlands. Don't do that again, you catholic!!

[@eestebam1]

@@dionisioareopagita9533 Hombre, Dionisio, usted por aquí. Su última frase es de traca, y manifiestamente falsa. Como le dije en alguna ocasión, si sus comentarios fueran un poco más moderados, quizá tendría usted mas credibilidad.

[@dionisioareopagita9533]

@@eestebam1 ​ La credibilidad que me pueda dar cierta gente no me interesa. La verdad no es popularidad. La verdad habitualmente es muy mal recibida, porque la gente prefiere que le mientan para complacer sus gustos y calmar sus miedos. Si algo que he dicho es falso, rebatelo con datos y con argumentos. Si tienes razon yo los aceptare como propios, porque yo no quiero tener razon, quiero conocer la verdad. Tu tambien tienes interes en la verdad?

[@eestebam1]

@@dionisioareopagita9533 Su mensaje: consejos vendo que para mí no tengo. El sectarismo es incompatible con la búsqueda de la verdad. Es imposible pintar un retrato que recuerde mínimamente al retratado solo con un bote de pintura negra y una brocha gorda...

[@gamingwhatwecan]

Seems like this playlist is in reverse order

[@barbarabigelow9110]

What about the hammer of witches?

[@DrLynch2009]

Never endorsed by the catholic church.

[@anacasanova7350]

Estoy informada .Gracias .En toda Europa había Inquisición. Hablen de la Inquisición en Suecia,Portugal , Francia ,suiza etc.

[@herrero4270]

Si, bueno...pero esto es sobre la Inquisición española, no sobre lo que tu prefieras...

[@annekke1974]

@@herrero4270 Infórmate un poco, que opinas mucho y poco sabes 🙄

[@herrero4270]

@@annekke1974 Estoy muy bien informado. Si en algo me equivoco, prueba a refutar mis argumentos. En cuento a este comentario en especial, está fuera de lugar que tu tocaya cite a las otras inquisiciones, como en plan de decir: "las otras fueron peores". Y lo fueron, solo que ese no es el tema escogido por el conferencista. Los españoles son muy dados a señalar a otros diciendo lo mismo, pero eso no cancela, excusa, anula o minimiza sus propias faltas, que muy bien puede haberlas compartido Europa, eso ya lo sabemos.

[@annekke1974]

@@herrero4270 Sigo opinando igual. Lee e infórmate más.

[@herrero4270]

@@annekke1974 I don´t give a shi t about your opinion. When confronted, the Spaniards use that kind of 'arguments': 'oh, you don't know, inform yourself. you are an ignorant, you must be resentful' and so on. But those are no arguments, but personal disqualifications. A falacy known as 'ad hominem', or, in other words, attacking the person, not the adversary's arguments. Such is the intelectual poverty of your people.

[@matimus100]

Brilliant research bravo 👏

[@thomasjamison2050]

I can hear Bill Clinton saying 'it all depends on the meaning of the word is...." It all depends on your definition of an atrocity, and I find that shamelessly weak and silly, but then this bloke comes from the same crowd that produced Monty Python. One might talk about atrocities that are realized versus those that are recognized. Recognition does not in the least change the event of the actual event. Lawyerly talk for lawyerly reasons. It is fine in it's way, but it's just a perfect recipe for how to cover up an atrocity.

[@rosariocarneros6436]

Depuis la France merci il est grand temps que la vérité sorte !

[@rusoviettovarich9221]

When Prof. Ryrie notes Dostoyevsky's use of the 'inquisition' and the 'grand inquisitor' understand Dostoyevsky was stone-cold an anti-Catholic.

[@herrero4270]

A fact which doesn't say anything about the validity of what Dostoievsky wrote.

[@rusoviettovarich9221]

@@herrero4270 True

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

@@herrero4270 ¿ Don Stoievsky ? 🤭

[@herrero4270]

@@fukpoeslaw3613 Corrected.

[@LinoLagoful]

It was said nothing about the “Inquisicion”. It was not compared with Europe, nothing about existing records, nothing about it’s history (it was not even invented in Spain), not real numbers framed into the hole European picture, nothing about civilian tribunals, nothing from law’s history point of view, etc, etc. But it’s Worst: Not even one word about the Black Legend History. If this kind looking man would do it... probably he would be put on fire right on the place.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

I find his speech is just another rehash of bigotry. He calls the accused victims jews, protesters etc. When the inquisition was always confined to members of the church only.

[@Zimisce85]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 He clearly says that they were aiming at the false converts from Judaism, the ones who had to decide either to leave the kingdom with almost nothing or to convert. They were baptized, as the rare Spanish protestants were, so they fell within the Inquisition's jurisdiction.

[@quickrat3348]

Dude, he just introduced the topic to an English speaking audience who might be interested but probably don't know much. Do not expect him to do the same thing as if he talked before a Spanish-speaking audience who are well educated on Early Modern History.

[@LinoLagoful]

@@quickrat3348 you’re right

[@mariafh8629]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Y a otros delitos: abusos, abortos etc.

[@KlausJLinke]

If an atrocity happens in a forest and no one is around to hear it, is it an atrocity?

[@Meine.Postma]

Religion does not have a monopoly on ethics.

[@gustavoduran7077]

Truth be told

[@Pleittor]

It is far from truth, pure anti-spanish propaganda. The British are the largest genocides in world history.

[@s31720]

@@Pleittor On the contrary, the biggest genocides were created by the Belgians. How about you read some history!?

[@sgu00dir]

I've always thought that the future will see the industrial animal death machine we depend upon as an atrocity of sorts, albeit almost unavoidable one

[@Sara3346]

I mean it takes less land to grow corn than to feed cows as I understand it so I'm not sure how it is unavoidable really.

[@sgu00dir]

@@Sara3346 almost unavoidable!

[@LK-mw7pp]

@@Sara3346 The land cannot sustain enough amount of crop to overthrow the meat industry. However we could work for a balanced and sustainable way of feeding (both meat and veggies) once we stop shooting babies into this planet without control.

[@Paz3873]

No matter what, WASPs always consider no WASPs as under humans, they always find justification to feel entitled to do any atrocity, and endorse them to someone else. The problematic relationship between protestants and guilt

[@j.m.r.f6286]

Thank you, gracias.

[@medexamtoolsdotcom]

A video about the spanish inquisition? I was expecting that. Really, I was. It was recommending Gresham college videos about "how to be an atheist" in various time periods to me all yesterday, so it was only a matter of time before it brought up the spanish inquisition.

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

yeah sure you were expecting the S I ja ja ja

[@green-eyesgreydragon7451]

Are you a hipster?

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

@@green-eyesgreydragon7451 watsa hipstr?

[@green-eyesgreydragon7451]

@@fukpoeslaw3613 Hipster like you

[@christianjimenezvoll4097]

It was a propaganda war put about logically by Spain's enemies. Spain was becoming and actually became a too powerful global world power. If enemies couldn't win battles at least they tried to win through black propaganda and marketing.

[@ashtracold]

Es evidente que es propaganda del más rancio racismo angloprotestante. Este "conferenciante" es supuestamente profesor de divinidad en una universidad anglicana. Mira únicamente el nombre que lleva este "college" y quién era ese Gresham. Este vídeo deberíamos enviarlo a la Embajada de España en Londres, a la de R.U. en Madrid, etc y que nuestras instituciones protesten formalmente. También la iglesia católica debería conocer esto y decir basta ya.

[@herrero4270]

But Spain was defeated, their enemies became world powers to this very day, and the Spaniards are those pretending to be as great as ever through their marketing, when in fact they are now a second rate country.

[@annekke1974]

@@herrero4270 That's your opinion. Spaniards are great people and Spain a great country😜

[@herrero4270]

@@annekke1974 Most of them, yeah. The righ wing remnants of the franquism, no. Of course Spain is a great country, as any other. All depends of what you value, what you like and what you seek. I like your artisans, your jurists, the boys form the Instituto de Física Teórica, your museums, the Moorish architecture, the Catalonian art and architecture and the Flamenco art. And yes, your cuisine. There are many interesting things in every country.

[@annekke1974]

@@herrero4270 The right wing remnants of the franquism??? 🤣🤣🤣 What are you talking about? You have no clue. 🤭

[@FULANODETAL]

Nobody expected that

[@julianshepherd2038]

No one expected this.

[@khubza8999]

Why does he not mention Muslims who died by the Inquisition? Weren't Muslims more numerous than Jews since they were in power (in Granada, for example)? Did they escape the Inquisition? If so, why? If not, why not?

[@eestebam1]

Neither Jews nor Muslims were prosecuted, firstly because by the time of Inquisition they had been expelled from Iberian peninsula, and secondly because Inquisition was meant to prevent and punish Catholic heresies. This is why conversos (former muslims and jews converted to Catholicism) fell under special survey.

[@monicap7941]

Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity were expelled from Spain. They were not pursued by the inquisition, because they were not in the country. Spain is almost unique in successfully eradicating Islam despite much of it being governed by Islamic powers for centuries.

[@billbyrne7891]

What about the so-called Irish potato famine

[@slimjim3498]

Your wig is awesome bro

[@Relikson]

Interesting that Tomás de Torquemada, the Grand Inquisitor of Spain who lead the Jewish persecution, was himself Jewish, his ancestors being conversos.

[@sefirotsama]

I thought that was just a myth to make everything look ridiculous. Do you have any source of that fact?

[@Relikson]

@@sefirotsama the wikipedia page for Tomas de Torquemada

[@sefirotsama]

@@Relikson oh you are beyond reason already. You can actually visit the archives in Seville which are truly well preserved, studied and I believe mostly digitalized, all records and files related to the Indias (new world) as well as for the inquisition. The files also contain letters from English monarchs who tried their best to influence the Spanish monarchy to exterminate the indigenous rather than mix their blood, thanks to the Pope it became clear that it was a question of Christianity (Humanity back them) to not exterminate them and convert them. The moral debate at the end of the middle age was whether all humans contained soul, and Catholics acted consequently. Everything is documented, now you can go cry by the river, this last year it came somewhat dry.

[@Relikson]

@@sefirotsama I have no idea what you are talking about or how this relates to the converso background of the grand inquisitor.