The Special Antagonists Fallout Lore

what makes you special?

[@Jester4460]

“Mutie called me stupid Time to die”

[@abcisawesome3418]

Yeah pre-emptive rip N_orte

[@lunch96box]

😅😂😅😂😅

[@Bendy_devildarling666]

You get em sir!!!

[@DrWifePipe]

Frank with 10 charisma? I bet all the ppl scared of him tell him how charming he is all the time

[@S_auce]

In dnd charisma is also intimidation and other stuff. Ive never played fo1 before so idk though if that same logic applies.

[@MatthewHodges]

@@S_auce It does, 70 Speech in New Vegas allows you to unlock "Terrifying Presence" which gives extra intimidating dialogue options to scare certain characters

[@ADHDcisGinger]

@@MatthewHodges that's a fallout 2 perk as well.

[@Brandon-ff1yo]

@@S_auce franky boy is in FO2 but he would absolutely have 10 Charisma, he has a total of like 7 spoken sentences and there still the coolest spoken lines in the game, what he lacks in charm he absolutely makes up in all 12 ft of pure genetically modified, powered armor assisted, Weaponized Terror.

[@shy_dodecahedron]

Charisma is skill of making people believe you, not being overpowered bugged solution in human perception of beauty.

[@Francisohorrivel]

Well to what I know Frank Horrigan's Power Armor has an AI that gives him Tactical assistance, which explains the 10 intelligence points.

[@ExpandDong420]

It could also be seen as his "fight IQ" he is extremely adept at all forms of combat so it could work

[@Might_T]

What about charisma?? How could he be charismatic lol

[@ExpandDong420]

@@Might_T intimidation is tied to Charisma

[@hyper1-k6f]

​@@Might_T fallout nv intimidating presence

[@EnbyOccultist]

@@hyper1-k6fIntimidating Presence is a Fallout 2 perk originally!

[@lordlucius1341]

Horrigan: (awkwardly steps inside the tool shed) *now I am the sharpest tool mutie*

[@personman3901]

The special antagonist is actually ME! IM THE OME ATTACKING YOUR SETTLEMENT NOW!

[@DefinitelyFroggyDioBrando]

Preston as the general of the minutemen... You're fired.

[@ExpandDong420]

Nuka-World Moment

[@godricktheminecrafted3113]

Ok have fun with that

[@Cataclave]

Boston Bos:

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

I left Hancock, a chest full of drugs and a fat man with him there so have fun with that before the “dogs” get you

[@cringemeat9430]

I love how they give 10 special to courier 7 tho. He’s a beautifully written antagonist and a mirror of what our protagonist left behind

[@JesusRuiz-gb4is]

And that 10 in luck make sense he survived a fucking nuke blast and got healed by robots thats clearly a sign of true luck if i ever seen one even if it is unfortunate

[@MAC-0]

For having a 10 in Charisma, still a lot of people dislike him... Me included.

[@TOUD_]

“Bear” “bull” “bear” “bull”

[@shoelessbandit1581]

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[@wizofauzz]

Agreed. He is the only one deserving of all 10s.

[@garethwilkins6744]

I see the 10 in charisma for Frank as DnDs intimidation.

[@lie5196]

Well Frank Horrigan did start coming, and he didn't stop coming what a Concept !

[@takeblame]

You forgot all of my dwellers I forced into training in my Fallout Shelter vault

[@RabdoInternetGuy]

"he ain't the sharpest tool in rhe shed..." But he sure as heck is the biggest.

[@JohnZiTAB]

He isn’t sharp as in smart, he’s sharp as in deadly. If he was a tool in a shed, he’d be a chainsaw.

[@FemboyPrince]

Frank Horrigan was literally Secret Service for one of the most powerful factions in Fallout. Tf you mean he isn't smart?

[@gratefulguy4130]

Ikr?

[@froginabucket7294]

He is a walking tank who kills anything and everything that doesn't have an enclave flag plastered onto it. That doesn't really require smarts

[@darklord7479]

@@froginabucket7294he also figured out the oil rig was going down before anyone else

[@ulysses11]

If I can’t kill you, the 10 charisma has to count for something…

[@guzman45jg]

I miss when having low int meant some funny dialog options lol.

[@temxasred3086]

Paladin: " *some spiel about the brotherhood and how Veronica betrayed them idk i can't remember the lines* " Courier: [intelligence] *burps*

[@lTheOfficialJesusChristChannel]

Oh you have a well thought out SPECIAL arrangement that can destroy me? Luck - 10 goes brrr

[@ammazer1229]

He got 10 in everything because the Vigor Tester was scared of him.

[@victorluna6112]

You called Ulysses: “Courier 7” 😂

[@Satellaview1889]

I always imagine that a Courier who isn’t taking Ulysses seriously would intentionally get his name wrong. The aforementioned Courier 7 is one, but I myself am partial to calling him Odysseus, for the sheer level of intellectual outrage it would put him though.

[@christyshultz6443]

To my knowledge he is also kill courier-6. Your character inspired him what made him want a home and he felt betrayed and lied to. But that's just what I got out of that whole thing I talked him down and we parted his well I guess frenemies.

[@bluemutt9964]

​@Satellaview1889 Ulysses is a variation of the name Odysseus, he'd be impressed if anything

[@a50ftfall6]

Also I highly doubt that the two markman are that charismatic.

[@edwarddean7339]

I think I can justify them having 10 charisma with them being able to keep there, now turned subordinates in line kinda being like beast, blade, scorcher, and bonesaw.

[@dallasthedirtbag]

Love how Frank Horrigan and Smash Mouth are both posed in exactly the same way

[@szymonpinkowski256]

Also lanius and joshua have special stats that are impossible for player to get without console commands

[@RipVan.Winkel]

I don't think Frank should have 10 Charisma too

[@SuperiorBeing]

He doesn't need it because if someone like him tells you to do something you do it

[@darkdog42]

I don’t know I’ve come to love frank I could save him

[@H240909]

Well I could see it if you link his capacity for charisma to his capacity for intimidation.

[@Niky-lw5qb]

Charisma isn’t only about intimidation.

[@wuh-o6z]

charisma affects speech - as speech also affects intimidation (see terrifying presence perk, it has a speech requirement)

[@mrpavel8288]

Everyone gangstas until they see how much strength points Mama Murphy has.

[@SenyiKimmo]

this is what Buffout does to a mf

[@CooperativeCowboy25]

I think these characters having maxed SPECIAL stats give a message of, "Through struggle, comes growth." and those who have struggled the most, like these four, have grown to their peak.

[@maskedsonja5722]

Ulysses is one of my fav antagonist in any game-haven't found another to my liking who was so cryptic and yet made some very good points. "Who are you who do not know your history?"

[@Cataclave]

It’s incredible one could get as far as they did- even after meeting Frank Horrigan.

[@blitzgr8512]

my guy frank was infected with FEV and managed to keep his mind his memories meanwhile others infected with FEV go super mutant and super dumb also Frank is a psychopath and this guys are usually highly intelligent

[@landonletterman831]

Imagine being so dedicated to your mission that, after becoming that which you hate the most, you willingly give yourself over to researchers/scientists to whom "heartless" would be a poor description of how they go about their job. Then, _AFTER_ they're done, you figure, "Well, _shame to waste all this,_ *BACK TO WORK!"*

[@Pinakiprime910]

Not really not all psychopaths are smart wth a lot of fiends are psychopath way more than frank don't see them going toe to toe with Mr house

[@dumpanimator]

Well there other mutant that still keep theire intelegence And it is Marcus he seem alright And he talk just like normal human But i think you are right fev make some people dump

[@Bread.Offender]

When i first fought Royez, I was still hung up on pistols and because of that i had nothing better than a plasma defender to my name, whereas royez has a plasma caster. That battle was traumatic 😭

[@darkninjacorporation]

Asking all the people who were lucky enough to be spared by Frank to rate his SPECIAL stats were like “IDC, FUCKIN 10 OUTTA 10 KEEP HIM AWAY FROM ME!”

[@ThunderUnrelenting]

Horrigan has to be THE most terrifying of them all. Just because of how much more deadly EVERYTHING is in the old fallout.

[@elvispressplay7735]

There are different kinds of Intelligence. He's not "book smart" but he's specialized (pun intended) in tactics and strategy.

[@aftpenguin]

I killed Ulysses with my super sledge oh baby no way he’s a 10 in all categories tho I did use my mini turbos (implant grx)

[@adrianvulpes9509]

We all know of the speech 100 charisma 1 build; Frank’ is the first science 0 intelligence 10 build ever.

[@cursingtax6553]

So that explains why Ulysses is super fucking hard to beat

[@ryzekiv7147]

Horrigan’s 10 INT is used solely for his knowledge of guns and Pokémon trivia.

[@kellakill5518]

He sounds like that American diamonds commercial 💎

[@vthemachine7965]

I'm surprised legate lanius isn't maxed out

[@popebryanii7224]

I fought Ulysses at level 5 on my very first playthrough. It took me about 2 hours, 100 stimpacks collected through stealing and collected through having pretty decent barter. I used a lever action shotgun and red glare. As well multiple saves. 2/10 would never do it again.

[@bc10Comrade]

Me with a 10inetelligence character *dies over and over again in quarry junction

[@hubertgrey2606]

Yoo love the informational videos man

[@TakeDown2175]

Whoa whoa whoa. There’s a ghoul in the legion. Where is he

[@TheChosenMoose01]

Pretty certain at the end of Loansome Road, you have to Nuke the Legion and NCR to find those unique ghouls. They also have unique armor as well

[@burntbacn]

Dry wells, the location that opens up if you nuke the legion. Colonel Royez is in the long 15, the NCR nuked area.

[@TheChosenMoose01]

@@burntbacn Can't you nuke both areas too?

[@realkingofantarctica]

I think Frank is quite a smart fella, it's just that what he lacks in academia he makes up for in street smarts.

[@HkPrima]

Tough opponents- Laughs in ED-E + Anti Material rifle with HE rounds

[@alessandrobenvenuti6551]

Ulysses, the original Courier 6 is a chad

[@stranger5011]

Those nukes from Lonesome road sure juiced them up

[@frankhorrigan1508]

I DON'T BELIEVE IT I APPEAR IN THE VIDEO

[@Random_Iron_warrior]

Good for you bud now get back to fallout 2

[@averypossiblememelord1566]

Let’s be honest here, Frank Horrigan is the only character which both deserves and make sense to have maxed SPECIALs

[@theunepicdude]

I think it also makes sense for Ulysses to have all 10 special Stats. Considering he survived what happened In the divide.

[@averypossiblememelord1566]

@@theunepicdude If we’re talking Endurance, Luck and arguably Intelligence then yes, the Divide would’ve given him that, but it makes no sense why he would have max Strength, Perception or Agility and even less sense why he would have max Charisma; you don’t talk in the Divide, you kill and you survive, nothing else.

[@gratefulguy4130]

​@@averypossiblememelord1566 Even then 10s don't make any sense. It was obviously narrative driven to give Frank all 10s, but honestly the DLCs to NV (while being the best in the series) all fell off in some way. It really felt like Bethesda writers had already started to take over. Either that or everyone just descended into a fan fic arc. Especially from Dead Money to Lonesome Road you get the feeling that someone just wanted to tell their own headcanon story more than to tell a coherent story to the story they were already in. There's a lot of decisions that clash with the rest of the series.

[@toxicatgaming4880]

​​@@averypossiblememelord1566If you look at Ulysses past then it makes sense. Ulysses was the Legion's best frumentari/scout easily explaining his perception, being a scout and navigating the divide requires excellent athletic skills so that would explain his agility, being a member of the legion means that he would've likely been trained to peak physical condition and also once again navigating tough terrain as a scout and during his time in the divide explaining max strength, and he managed to convince the White Legs to willingly try to integrate into The Legion and to try and attack New Canaan + assassinate Graham where he ended up being so loved by the White Legs that they braided their hair just like him even after he left, explaining his charisma

[@directordavidson3151]

Frank Horrigan: WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON MY OIL RIG!

[@Maxsmack]

I love having other powerful character to challenge you in new Vegas. Ulysses is arguably stronger than 80% of couriers unless built perfectly, Elijah escapes the big mt in a way we can’t and Joshua is an absolute beast. Having these character be on the same level as the courier makes us feel not like a living god but as the best of the best. A realistic level of skill and excellence a few others can achieve. Compare that to just wiping the floor with Kellogg then never facing a real dangerous human target again until the bullet sponge bosses of nuka world who never leave their bases just bitch and complain and have zero interesting character traits

[@JohnZiTAB]

If Frank Horrigan was a tool in a shed, he’d be a chainsaw.

[@abraxis20]

Ulysses was so charismatic that he nearly convinced me he was right.

[@DestroyerApollyon]

Intelligence doesn’t equal wisdom.

[@masenstephens8986]

He also may be playing stupid so he has an upper hand in all situations

[@wvykaine6157]

Colonel Royez is an unexpected W

[@DieSuidAfrikanTikkoppe]

Most underrated channel on KZbin ❤

[@futurewario9591]

Frank Horgan has 10 everything including Intelligence so yes.

[@neves5083]

*Everybody though about the Frank Horrigan's 10 intelligence*

[@irradiatedwaffles]

There is no way in hell any of those compare to horigan in the slightest

[@EnbyOccultist]

None of them can compare to the charismatic charms of Franky boy

[@SageNineMusic]

This dude has that "#14 burger King foot lettuce" dead inside voice

[@mrducky6322]

So Ulysses really is HIM

[@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv]

My goat Ulysses on top as usual, he's the best written character if you have the attention span for his dialogue. Like trust me, I have ADHD so I get it, but give him a chance and pay attention to what he's saying cause he is such a complex character

[@Tee_B]

Lol no.

[@Sumschmuck]

I don't know. Frank had the strategic mind to nuke the rig while fighting the chosen one. Without the gift of plot armor, the chosen one probably would've been killed in the blast of not the fight in general.

[@fard-df2sf]

Who would win Frank : Strength 10 Mama Murphy: Strength 19

[@rustyshackleford3917]

Frank is probably the most badass character in the fallout universe

[@EnbyOccultist]

I demand that Fallout 5 have a Frank companion somehow, make his FEV super slowly regenerate him from his remains or something, or clone him I don't know

[@rustyshackleford3917]

@@EnbyOccultist that would be so fucking cool, and make the enclave a joinable faction. If I could even have a fireteam of enclave members as companions similar to how you have a squad of American troops in operation anchorage.

[@relaxralex]

They really hype up that Ulysses encounter amazingly genuinely awesome DLC

[@myth1ccorruptg4merx2]

The fact frank calls people names like mutie, old man as he is psychopathic sadistic and a muderer shows that he "ain't the sharpest tool in the shed."

[@passingrando6457]

Not saying ol' Frankie's dialogue is particularly smart, but psychopathy, racism, and intelligence aren't necessarily linked to each other. The man with the current highest recorded IQ in the world is racist, as an example, and plenty of people diagnosed with various mental illnesses we laymen call psychopathy have genius level IQs.

[@realCATGODyt]

Who the hell in the fallout world is gonna tell frank horrigan he's dumb or not charismatic and survive

[@Stephanie-mv9iy]

Frank 10 Intelligence comes from the computers in his suit that essentially gives him a lot of COMBAT intelligent

[@dipidyl]

10 intelligence on Frank just means he's smart for a mutant. Still stupid compared to humans

[@Niky-lw5qb]

Lol the same scale is used.

[@Brian-tg8wk]

Damn no Joshua Graham? Dude is an absolute powerhouse

[@topazserpent3775]

Nah guys Frank Horrigan is a Chad. The only reason he maxed out INT is for all that extra XP 😎👌.

[@Ludovicus1769]

That’s extremely stupid of Obsidian, those characters in no way deserved to be regarded as highly as Frank, but oh well.

[@Ben-xg3tj]

The Master (The final boss of Fallout 1) has stats that aren't completely off from these, yet unlike Frank Horrigan he has stats that are decreased in areas that don't make sense. He has a 10 in the majority of his stats appart from both Charisma and Luck. His Charisma is a 2 because of the fact that he looks horrifying and would have no possible way that anyone would consider him charming, or get a good first impression by him after meeting him for the first time. Also his luck is 7 due to the fact that for the most part his plans/ambitions of increasing the size of the Unity and having Super Mutants take over the wasteland does generally suceed (until the vault dweller steps in that is), however Super Mutants have no way of reproducing so in the long run Super Mutants won't be sustainable and thus his plans will fail.

[@Bobalini1]

Don't measure a fish by it's ability to climb a tree. Frank Horrigan's 10's are likely still specialized - Speech can contribute to being friendly like convincing a character to give info, but it can also br aggressive like Terrifying Presence. In this way, Frank's stats are likely related to combat, old American dogma, and detecting patterns in people that stand before him

[@keisufederationmapping2748]

I mean frank just seems smarter than Caesar to me anyways

[@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv]

While i dont think Frank is traditionally intelligent, i do think its possible his 10 int is in reference to combat knowledge. What i cant believe is 10 charisma, unless you consider him being so intimidating to be why he has a 10

[@Pinakiprime910]

Luck as well he would have canonically more luck than the chosen one which would make no sense how he would lose that fight (he only lost because of plot armour and luck is a form of plot armour)

[@ethanlong4670]

No wonder Ulysses was kind of tough for me to kill, I killed most of the enemies in the Lonesome Road pretty easily until I fought him. The eye robots didn't help either.

[@dstooter4348]

Frank may have 10 into but only has 25 science

[@The_Grox]

I love how all of em are from obsidian's/black isle's fallout not a bathesda fallout bathesda scales their enemy to the players level in their games

[@tylerpitcher6976]

These help me with gameplay

[@Upsidedownamericanflag]

Frank horrigan is the coolest bad guy in fallout.

[@otroweonllamadoseba]

Maybe his 10 intelligence is for a Super Mutant, a Super Mutant is not that smart but with 10 intelligence they probably reach above average human.

[@passingrando6457]

Nah, that isn't how stat caps work in Fallout, either the GURPS-derived old games or Bethesda ones. The Lieutenant and the Master both have high intelligence because non-irradiated people exposed to FEV don't lose their intellect. Hell, Marcus, who appears in FO2 and NV, has a normal, though not genius intellect. And in Bethesda Fallout, Super Mutant's intelligence scales the same as humans, just like their strength. They don't have "# strength for a Super Mutant", they have "14 strength" (as an example for normal muties in FO4) if you check their stats.

[@LabTech41]

Ulysses is possibly the best character in the Fallout franchise, because he's basically the only character that's done an extensive meta-analysis of the post-apocalyptic world and come to the conclusion that NONE of the factions are worth a damn; they're either trying to reclaim parts of a world that not only doesn't exist anymore, but CANNOT exist because the world has fundamentally changed. He's the one guy that realizes what we need isn't trying to scrape together some dying ember of the old world, we need to make something new; that's why the destruction of the Divide was so traumatizing to him: because he saw it as something new that worked and could've built a nation that would've been worth fighting and dying for. In that way, he's like Kreia from KOTOR, being one of the few people who can honestly look at a system that's been broken for a LONG time and come to the logical conclusion against all the prevailing wisdom that what we need is something different, because what we've got isn't working and hasn't worked in a long time.

[@theunepicdude]

Dont forget the sole survivor, technically you can level she/him to all 10s in each special stat.

[@John_Thomas96]

Frank horrigan vs legendary botfly.

[@gruntpocalypsenow]

“Pure” humans like Frank Horrigan when exposed to FEV actually increases their intelligence, like the Master’s Lieutenant or Marcus. So yes, Frank could have 10 intelligence

[@Lionhitch]

If I’m not wrong, mama murphy from fallout 4 also has some of the highest special stats in the game

[@yaboyflux3970]

Should’ve bumped her endurance stats up she straight up dies after taking some psycho 🤣 Edit: and also that’s cool if she has that kinda makes sense somewhat in a way

[@mysteriousclem1980]

"Solely for gameplay purposes" just like all of my characters lmao

[@theairwaybat1830]

I just started lonesome road, ugh, wish me luck

[@ApatheticBeaver]

long live the enclave

[@SonicBoomBot434]

Frank has 10 intelligence for a super mutant bethmoth

[@azurelectrium1100]

Are we forgetting mama Murphy has 19 in strength?

[@TyrannosaurusDominum]

Strong has 24 strength. 💪

[@ADHDcisGinger]

I leave everything at 5 and put luck at 10.

[@GoodLuck-qe5np]

Joshua Graham gotta be maxed too and you can't tell me otherwise

[@GGPlex_]

I think Frank’s Charisma is more like the NV kind; all the soldiers under him get a huge morale boost because they have the overboss of the former US Government leading them.

[@Yugga_Bubba]

I blew courier 7 up with my rocket shotgun

[@wyattmason3902]

Finally got around to building a character that focuses on getting max special in each category, including bobbleheads(fallout4), I think I'll try it in New vegas too, but it is very annoying not taking any perks until I've maxed special

[@Do_you_know_who_i_am1]

Im pretty sure he Frank Horrigan is smart when it comes to fighting

[@MinutemanOutdoors]

I thought ulysses was a higher number than 7 because he was first tasked woth the chip and denied it when he saw your name a few lines down

[@vibes_4225]

to put it simply, there is a damn good reason why i make a truce with ulysses

[@totalhydration5240]

you telling me Frank canonically has 10 Charisma?

[@passingrando6457]

In old school tabletop (Fallout was based on GURPS), Intimidation and the social intelligence to use things like blackmail are also Charisma. Frank is very intimidating.

[@phoenixmurphy6606]

And my character also has a 10 in everything