The Spider-Man Iceberg Explained Part 2

[@Pigpen_YT]

Really happy there's audio of me giving free promotion to Spider-Man: Lotus out there, I'm sure that won't age poorly at all

[@alejandroestrada14]

Skull emoji

[@tonmyhawnks5690]

@Nocouture hh

[@critespranberry8872]

Oh? what happened to lotus over there?

[@Professorfiji]

@@critespranberry8872 good ol’ fashioned racism

[@tykamen5588]

@@critespranberry8872 the director had made some very racist comments on Twitter in the past

[@regularshowman3208]

Hearing someone talk about Spiderman Lotus before it came out and before all the controversy is like seeing footage of the Twin Towers in the year 2000.

[@SpiderBud420]

"Heres to hoping Spider-Man India makes an appearance in across the spider verses" that aged really well lol

[@satanamogila9251]

He's gonna be a scammer

[@Person-wz6iy]

INSPECTOR SINGH!

[@SkeleGem]

If I remember correctly, the reason Spidey and other mutated characters aren’t considered Mutants is that the Marvel Universe has two different types of Mutants. Mutants are people born with their powers out of nowhere due to their genes, while Spider-Man and other characters who got their powers by being exposed to something are considered Mutates. So basically: Mutant = born with powers from mutation Mutate = received power after birth from altered genetics At least that’s my best understanding. There’s probably plenty of exceptions in the Marvel Universes

[@jamesesterline]

There's also mutants whose mutant genes are activated from an external event, as is the case with Cloak and Dagger.

[@kobraunit]

Not due to their genes, but due to the X-Gene, if you have mutation that come from any other thing, even other genes, you’re not a X-Men.

[@phrogthejam2998]

So would the correct term to call them would be trans-mutant

[@jsson2261]

V .

[@MegaZeta]

@@kobraunit _Plenty_ of X-Men have been non-mutants. The first to join the X-Men after the original roster, in fact, was a human with chemically-granted powers, Mimic. That was all of 3 years after the first X-Men story was printed. Since then, X-Men have included Lockheed and Hepzibah (both extraterrestrials), Longshot (a genetically-engineered being from Mojoworld), etc. So not just Spider-Man.

[@Nate-xi4zf]

Just wanna say thank you for your iceberg videos. They don’t try to be creepy like other ones, just fun trivia. Great stuff!

[@GhostlyPhantome]

It's what iceberg videos should be, they shouldn't have a random jumpscare or be extremely off putting or creepy, it just needs to be trivia or information and that's it.

[@Nate-xi4zf]

@@GhostlyPhantome exactly. Pigpen gets it. Only time I’ve been creeped out in his iceberg is that terrifying lady in the Star Wars one. Gives me chills every time I watch it.

[@MyEstrogenRomance]

@@GhostlyPhantome this ^^^

[@xanderhug]

@@GhostlyPhantome unless it’s about something horror related

[@boopert3589]

@@Nate-xi4zf what lady? can you give me a timestamp

[@ericj4444]

I always liked how Miguel felt more like an ostracized freak than Peter due to his talons, fangs, and sensitive eyes.

[@MegaZeta]

Yeah, a Spider-Man with a spider-bite was long overdue. I like Doppelganger for a lot of the same aesthetic... and I certainly noticed him in the sky during _No Way Home,_ though I guess a lot of people thought that was Superior Spider-Man (even though four waldo-arms are something that the Disney/Marvel Spider-Man already has). The pose was classic Doppelganger, in any case, with the extra arms wildly splayed.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

@@MegaZeta Also the entire point of Superior Spider-Man is that he's not a villain. He was created as a result of a villain doing villain things and has all the memories of that villain, but he also has all of the memories of Peter Parker. Calling the Superior Spider-Man "just" Doc Ock in Peter's body is missing the whole "he had the exact same "with great power" realization as Peter _over killing Peter_ because he DLCed all of Peter's memories". Superior Spider-Man is as much as a villain as Eddie Brock after he got over wanting to kill Spider-Man. He killed Peter Parker, realized he was the bad guy all along, and swore to outdo Peter not just out of ego but out of a belief he both can and SHOULD because with great power comes great responsibility. He's a former villain trying to atone, not a villain. He's no more evil than Venom or Tony Stark. Given that Otto canonically has brain damage from the fusing of the tentacles in the comics, it could be posited that once his mind was put into a functioning brain, while he had all the memories and self-canon of his brain-damage and had to reason with it, he was back to the good man he was before. He was sorta a Phineas Gage situation before, and cured himself via evil only to then realize what he did.

[@Ray-c1r]

​@@MegaZetabeen waiting for Dopplerganger, Spiderman 2099 > Miles Morales

[@michaelpfeiffer2787]

Okay hear me out the retcon bombs are most terrifying weapon in all of Spider-Man history. Imagine if those were used in real life. Just chilling walking down then somebody throws miniature bomb that's on fire at you. That's already an extremely bad situation. Then once it hits you a major portion of your past is completely changed disregarding your pre-established history. Nightmare fuel.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

They're also the most exciting idea in Spider-Man history. There's something that was established long enough ago that it's considered "established canon" that can be brought in via the Spiderverse stuff in order to perform canon surgery in-story. Given that they keep writing even more absurdly terrible retcons (for example, the "children" of Norman and Gwen are clones now!) to fix previously established absolutely terrible retcons (for example, Norman and Gwen having kids was a retcon a decade and change before they were clones and 30 years after she died), it sure would be useful for someone to go ham on Spider-Man's life with retcon bombs to remove some terrible ideas. Heck, you could do a highly-demanded "unintended consequences" story if somehow one hits the sniper that shot Aunt May in One More Day and caused it all. Or get _weird_ with it at the same time and have one hit Aunt May, which still would have the same effect but make it so he was raised by just Ben until Ben died and he was double-orphaned. Then have that sit until he discovers the piece of his world missing, and you have _another_ story there.

[@zibrykstephens7750]

So like the Mandela effect?

[@anotherunreliablenarrator]

This is why Superboy Prime is the most terrifying DC villain to me. There is no winning against him. One punch thrown and suddenly your entire backstory is retconned and you're now somebody else.

[@raccoon_wise9234]

5:30 Gwen Stacy probably won't meet Gwenpool considering they are two separate Characters and not variants. Gwenpool's real name is Gwendolyn Poole and she has no relation to Gwen Stacy other then being named Gwen and having similar color schemes.

[@Pigpen_YT]

Completely forgot she’s technically not related to her

[@raccoon_wise9234]

@@Pigpen_YT that's fine lol , lot of people assume she is anyway 😅

[@GhostlyPhantome]

I can totally see Marvel retconning this in the future lol.

[@raccoon_wise9234]

@@GhostlyPhantome they are literally two separate Characters though? like straight up two different ones. One is Gwen Stacy and the Other is Gwendolyn Poole. Just because they have the same first name and them both being blondes doesn't equal the same person.

[@GhostlyPhantome]

@@raccoon_wise9234 ok, but I can see Marvel retconning it in the future

[@JustforNow-ty5zt]

I love the inclusion of the classic ads. Gives the video a nice aesthetic.

[@carbon8497]

That Carnage pope and Venom crucifixion scene would have been very in line for Carnage, understandable on why they cut it since it's a comedy movie

[@JojoKyman]

if only Sony wasn't fragile on cancel culture

[@XavierLikesToTalk02]

I love how chill your videos are compared to other iceberg videos, it feels like one of my friends telling me about weird comic trivia and I love it. Keep it up bro love the iceberg videos

[@MegaZeta]

Agreed. I’m all but a full-time crab on the Internet, but really, the channels I stick with tend to be as humble and laid-back as Pigpen’s.

[@JustAPrinnyDood]

Fun fact: If Goliath (Bill Foster) remains dead for another 24 years, he'd officially remain dead longer than Bucky.

[@aaronrivera9828]

Winter Soldier?

[@JustAPrinnyDood]

@@aaronrivera9828 Yes

[@f1naltyrant]

If my memory is correct Mutants have the X-gene as the source of their abilities. So there can be characters who go through mutations like Spidey, but would not be considered a capital "M" due to not having the X-gene be the origins of his mutation.

[@Pigpen_YT]

mfw the X-Men are gatekeeping mutants

[@theleonpasta7336]

Spider-Man is more like a meta-human/mutate or potentially a hybrid if the spider bite actually gave him some spider DNA. Mutants specifically have to have the X-gene whether they're born with it or not like Deadpool

[@MegaZeta]

TBF the X-Men haven't been all-mutant since the 19th issue of their original comic book, cover-dated 1966, only 3 years after their first story ever. Mimic was a human with chemically-granted abilities that allowed him to copy the mutant gifts of the X-Men. Mimic was in fact the first to join the team after the original five X-Men (and Professor X). Since then, a number of non-mutants have been X-Men, from extraterrestrials to artificial genetic experiments.

[@mawinstallation6626]

​@@Pigpen_YTNo, a lot of non-mutants have been part of the X-Men

[@gavin.727]

10:59 I completely forgot about this part in stone ocean but now I can tell people Spider-Man is cannon in the original jojo universe

[@Snarfcakes]

It ain't Disney if there is no Mickey Mouse!

[@Pigpen_YT]

I need to see Peter Parker’s stand

[@gavin.727]

@@Pigpen_YT gotta wait until jojolands

[@horseeatsdogfood5721]

It's astonishing how you don't have more subscribers with the sheer quality AND quantity of these ice berg videos! Please keep up the amazing work!

[@tjknight]

So instead of unique variants like Peter, Gwen's getting the Dark Knights Metal treatment?

[@Pigpen_YT]

Unfortunately

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

So the Spider who Goblins

[@connormartinson7619]

@@forickgrimaldus8301we’re actually getting that I think, you madman

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

@@connormartinson7619 well jinks

[@aurahoneydew9607]

The Obama/Miles thing is definitely a clout fishing lie by MARVEL. *The true story is* completely different. The seed for a African American Spider-Man was planted post Raimi trilogy as the movie reboot ideas were brainstormed and one thought was "factors that make Peter Parker's life could reflect a urban youth so maybe Peter Parker should be..", they didn't go for it but Michael Bendis was there since at the time comic people were brought in for superhero movie production before studios went all in on Hollywood writers only for superhero movies. Later down the line Bendis revisited the concept when he caught an episode of Community that begins Donald Glover's character getting out of bed in Spider-Man PJs and thus Miles Morales was on his way. In fact the very scene appears in Into the Spider-Verse as it plays on a background TV when Miles is at his Uncle Arin's apartment.

[@mawinstallation6626]

Are you implying that Peter Parker would've been black in the original post-Raimi Sony reboot

[@Qultx]

I’ve been waiting for this day

[@dennisbowden8029]

Andrew Garfield recently declined Sony's offer. He knows his worth.

[@rokcris7313]

context pls

[@Person-wz6iy]

​@@rokcris7313 Sony fired him for being sick on a work day.

[@MT-sn3dl]

An Iguana movie would make more sense than the El Muerto movie

[@Sal-kf8cc]

Everything would be better than el muerto,a character that only appeared on 2 comics

[@cynoflads]

Watching both the icebergs with hindsight and my God, it's a treat with events in the last two/three years in Spider-Man media. Love the iceberg videos and subbed to see what other projects come out in the future from you Pipgen

[@austinpopdan4190]

Forgive me if this has already been said but that infamous Mexican issue where Peter marries Gwen was actually a fake-out that literally ended with "it was all just a dream". Those Mexican Spider-Man comics unfortunately never did anything super crazy because they were still reprinting the regular Spider-Man comics in Mexico and they didn't want to contradict them.

[@mattmurray6125]

38:30 this one aged well

[@mc.gemstone]

Thank you for making a sequel to this. And also with the amount of work put into it as well. The amount of versions of Spider-Man out there is a lot, but I do like how creative writers and artist get. It's cool to see how many there are out there and love learning about all the obscure media, characters and lesser known things as well.

[@buttercupirl]

great news for spidercat fans in across the spiderverse OUR BOY IS BACK

[@joshuac537jc]

Dude you just unlocked a childhood memory for me when you brought up Spider-man 3: the battle within i remember playing it as a kid but whenever i mentioned it to anyone the had no clue i was talking about damn i feel old

[@IgnitedRed]

fun fact: the reason they didn’t use the comic accurate symbiote suit for Spider-Man 3 someone said that it looked like a porn costume

[@quietchap]

OMG thank you for being the one to bring back the memories of the Leapfrog Spider-Man game. I always recalled having an educational Spider-Man game that heavily featured the Chameleon, but could never find it. Now I know!

[@volpe7436]

9:56 to be fair that is a version of the future foundation suit from the comics it's not seen often but it is official the suit has both the white and black and black and white varients as options for use

[@MegaZeta]

Thanks for leading off with Spidercide (and for these videos overall). Spidercide is where the Clone Saga owned up to the mess it had become and tried its best to revel in it. A clone who's a guy made of goop with biological bell-bottoms. And his name is Spidercide. It's a low bar to clear, but he might be my favorite part of the story.

[@tiffany-chan1235]

I was not expecting this but I am happy! I love your Icebergs dude! I especially love the trivia aspect of the videos

[@boringsupernova4836]

What a treat! I was just watching the Batman icebergs a couple days ago, and was wishing you'd make a spider-man iceberg pt 2

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Ben Reilly fighting duplicates is the funniest thing ever, every time. We really need a Reillyverse where they're all increasingly dying inside because even though the others aren't clones of them, it's just too close for comfort and forming a Spider-duplicate army is basically their worst fear come to life, they're just not under anyone's command so it's okay.

[@squakbak9060]

You unlocked me a hidden memory about spider man 3 the battle within, i always played it on my dad's laptop but it was hard and sometimes didn't work because our internet was bad

[@LucidPhoton]

39:07 aww man. Yeah people kept an eye on Lotus... Nothi good came out of it ;-;. It's a shame watching this after a year. Never realized u made a part 2 lol ^^'

[@captaindead6347]

Next to Goliath, the OG White Tiger, Hector Ayala is also dead and stayed dead ever since. He was gunned down after a court case where Matt Murdock (Daredevil) was his lawyer in a Daredevil comic from 2003. His daughter would become the new White Tiger in 2011. By the way, he was the first hispanic Marvel hero

[@bubs7190]

@pigpen I just wanna say that you seriously make the best quality content on KZbin like I can see that you put a lot of effort into these videos that you make and I watched literally every second of both of these ice bergs while I’ve been at work and it made me happy

[@michaelpfeiffer2787]

"If you could have one super power what would it be?" *"The answer."*

[@jamesesterline]

1:20:35 That remix actually slaps though

[@regularshowman3208]

49:37 I like how the moment you're supposed to take him seriously he suddenly stops being even remotely overweight.

[@cleaver1835]

IM SO GLAD TO HEAR SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT SPIDERMAN ROCK REFLECTIONS OF A SUPERHERO

[@magnuskehr3625]

Just wanna point out that, despite the name and similar appearance, Gwenpool is actuallu not a variation of Gwen Stacy, she's an original character who also just happens to be blond and named Gwen (it's even pointed out in her own comic).

[@billykauker8152]

I came here to say this too LOL her name is Gwendolyn Poole not Stacy

[@_mango_]

I’ve been waiting for this day, for a long long time. Godspeed, Pigpen

[@jaydee9569]

Goliath is not the only unressurected character as i believe the original Mar-vel (i may be mixed up) died of cancer in an amazing story and due to being respectful of people who do pass away from cancer, he has not been brought back to life. he has however been explored in comics set prior to his death but where released after

[@Pigpen_YT]

The Goliath thing was mostly a joke

[@jaydee9569]

@@Pigpen_YT my bad then

[@thepunisherbot8548]

The venom let there be Carnage deleted final battle really caught me off guard carnage looks terrifying in those pictures😅

[@Spootprime]

53:51 damn i cant believe Spiderman fought against Unicron

[@spiderjunior2002]

Spider-Man: Fake Red is actually about Spider-Man (Peter Parker) disappearing and his suit being found by a random kid who starts pretending to be Spider-Man since, according to Silk, "the city needs a Spider-Man". The real Spider-Man ended up being possessed by the symbiote and turned into Venom. Thankfully in the last few chapters he ends up as the real Spider-Man again.

[@Pigpen_YT]

Yes that’s what I said. A dude trying to be Spider-Man after finding his suit

[@blametheghost]

i keep forgetting that Timmy has a power grid and that joke about both timmy's having a power grid gave me a headache cus i laughed a little too much

[@StriderStryker]

It is a good thing I found this channel talking about iceberg from famous franchises.

[@homer732]

I said it once on Twitter and I'll say it again here, Fat Booty Gwen is the GREATEST Mexican export of all time!

[@NdieCity]

Oh hell yeah this is what I needed today, I love your iceberg videos so much

[@demontorch]

Spider-sona: when Into the Spider-verse came out in 2018, artists made their own spider people. I'm no exception as I made Harvestman: a Spiderman based off the Harvest man spider

[@OrenjiArms]

I only knew the last stand suit from the insomniac game and I just remember hearing everyone refer to it as the CW suit and I've never been able to unsee it

[@zachnanite947]

HOLY CRAP!! I used to have a bunch of superhero coloring books way back when I was a child, long before the mcu, and I remember coloring characters with their colors reversed! I never knew I may as well have been coloring in Web Man til now lol!

[@PosthumanHeresy]

2:12:13 I'm guessing The Spider was going to be the Ultimate Ben Reilly. Hear me out. They did the Ultimate Clone Saga without Ben. Now, "The Spider" is actually a pretty used name. Most importantly, right before the 90s Clone Saga. That's what Peter starts calling himself when he rejects being Peter Parker after the robot duplicates of his parents are revealed as robot duplicates. Given the "it" situation, Peter being dead, and the general situation around it with "billionaire plot", plus the general fact that having the reveal be "it's this guy you don't care about" is bad writing, it makes sense that The Spider is Ultimate Ben Reilly.

[@enxel493]

Actually, your pronunciation of José Luis González Durán was almost flawless

[@mrk0per]

Thank you for your icebergs videos. I love that you say out the title, that way I put this as a bedtime story and not get lost on what ur talking about.

[@Nate-xi4zf]

Fun fact: the comic accurate SM3 suit wasn’t used because it made Spidey “look like he was in a porno”

[@Pigpen_YT]

Still would’ve been dope

[@Nate-xi4zf]

@@Pigpen_YT porno spidey probably would’ve been cooler honestly

[@AluminumFusion22]

That's true! They thought it looked too much like latex, which is why the final version of the symbiote suit uses the texture from the real Spider-Man suit.

[@M2Brad]

1:44:16 Genuinely thought that was liquid snake spitting a monologue.

[@spectre1004]

18:07 Zach Snyder’s Venom

[@qwertyzillaofficial2969]

Please god no

[@s0urp0wer5]

Pigpen deep dives. I could watch them infinitely. I usually use them to go to sleep. Thank you for all you do

[@HerbCoswellBornAgain]

I know I already made an Elsagate comment, but kindof low key hope now that Elsagate somehow gets referenced in one of the next two Avengers films and/or Beyond the Spider-verse.

[@thespookymage6294]

Amazing work as always dude!! Loving your work, you do such an amazing job!

[@MartianDX]

Two notes as I’m watching the video. Miles wasnt Spidey for most of the Ultimate universes’ run. He wasnt introduced until it had already been going for like 10 years, and then was brought into the 616 universe only 4 or 5 years after being created. Also Spidey isnt a mutant at all. Mutants get their power from the X-gene, which they’re all born with. Spidey wasnt born with the X-gene, and only got powers later in life due to the spider bite. He's in the same class as like Captain America or Hulk, characters who gained powers from external means, rather than being born with them.

[@Styinee]

Iceberg format is legit the best, an you do it justice dawg. LOVE YOU MAN!!!

[@Shakenmike117]

Can’t wait to check out Spider-Man Lotus

[@axelalvarado7031]

Don't you just love writers giving the most complicated backstories to villains such as... I don't know, fucking Jack O'Lantern.

[@brandonchavez9438]

Love the commercial breaks with older Spider-Man media can’t wait for the next vid

[@warriorzrisen]

you have no idea how long supah ninjas has been a vague memory in the back of my head nd dis video is what finally helped me figure out what it was. thank you.

[@Pigpen_YT]

literally put in that brief reference just for this to happen to someone

[@Freshmakermentos]

I love spider-man icebergs. thank you for making a part 2.

[@Pigpen_YT]

No problem!!!!

[@smileysuburban8146]

Loved the first one, happy to see a sequel

[@OhNoBohNo]

Captain America Spider-Monster M-Preg is going to make me take psychic damage for the rest of my life

[@swandive46]

To be a mutant, you have to have an X-Gene. While Spider-Man and Mayday are mutates, they are not mutants

[@endman105]

I feel like Venom 3 has be something different, having Toxin be the villain would be predictable. Venomverse or Knull, would be a better idea, and with Venom 2's post credit scene showing the symbiotes share a hive mind across universes, it would be the same knull in every timeline. Hell just bring Topher Grace back for a multiverse film to give that venom a bit more time to shine.

[@MegaZeta]

On the other hand… as a lifelong fan of Venom (I have an O.G. copy of _Lethal Protector_ #1 around here somewhere) I read about the “Knull” thing and it convinced me I don’t want to read superhero books anymore, since they seem hopelessly mired in wiki-trivia now. The whole “planet Klyntar” bit of Venom’s story has always been the least interesting part, and the movies have been smart to steer away from that and more toward the dysfunctional relationship.

[@mawinstallation6626]

There are some heavily reliable rumors indicating that Venom 3 is a pseudo-sequel to Madame Web. So Madame Web is about a group of female Spider-People who have to make sure Peter Parker is born, because some mysterious force wants to avoid his existence So Venom 3 takes place in the same universe as Madame Web, AFTER Peter is born - and now Venom has to protect Kid Peter Parker?? And we don't know if whatever wants to kill Kid Peter is the same enemy from Madame Web

[@nobod2567]

Imagine if the Spider-Man Lotus Spidey makes an appearance in Across the Spider-Verse and/or Beyond the Spider-verse

[@namecomingsoon9517]

Man the Gwenverse seems pretty bland compared to the spiderverse Spiderverse has all different kinds of spierman that go from knights to demons to animals to robots Gwenverse is just “Gwen but as a different hero”

[@bladestorm337]

We need a movie with Rhino, Electro, Vulture and Green Goblin just do crime together simply called: Me and the boys the movie.

[@PabloNavarrete5780]

Idk if anyone else has said this, but we have seen Spider-Wolf one time before his death and that is at the end of Marvel Zombies vs Army of Darkness when Ash is stranded in a world where all the super people are werewolves and we see Spidey, Luke Cage and Captain America as werewolves

[@Moka_95]

i love those iceberg vids ❤️

[@cuchulain0337]

Goliath isn't the only hero that still hasn't come back to life. Hank Pym has been dead since a prelude issue of Infinity Wars where he was trapped in the soul stone and some monster that lives within it ate him. Ultron may be wearing his skin and parading himself as the perfect fusion of both but that's all Ultron. It's a shame Marvel always shits on Hank

[@GooberPipebomb]

I find it really funny how El Muereto is lower down on the 2nd iceberg, but is still getting a solo movie lol. Unironically, Big Wheel would be a better and more interesting film

[@criticalthought1112]

Man it really makes me feel good as a Spider-Man fan to know about a lot of the stuff in these icebergs.

[@Stegosaurus4000]

Unpopular opinion: I actually like Spider-Man 3 for the 360/PS3. I thought it was really good, but perhaps I’m nostalgic as it was the third video game I got for my 360 back in 2007.

[@donbirkinshaw1630]

if by really good you mean its a broken, buggy mess of a game that was rushed you ended up liking as a kid and there for jsut becuase i liked it as a kid even tho its factually flawed mess and jsut ignore the critisums asif they dont matter and you pretend its a geninely good game when in reality its a broken, flawed, buggy mess of a game that seems half finished and rushed that your unable to admit isnt good because your blinded by nostalgia bias then yeah...its really good...but not really...just because you grew up with something or just because you like something doesnt mean its actual qaulity is good and good is judged by quality standards not by how much someone likes something and people when they are old enough to know better should be able to be grown up enough to admit these things without lying to themselves and others...your ok to like bad and flawed things esspecially if it has emotional significance if you want to but its immature to lie about reality and claim its a genueinlly good game and ignore its obvious factual flaws that make the game not good when it isnt and theres plenty of evidence that contradicts that its good and if your unable to see and admit to somethings flaws then i question your qaulitys control and standards if you think releaseing broken bugy rushed mess of a game means really good..theres bad things we all like and thats fine...l like the ghost rider movies despite them being hot garbage because of how entertaining and bat shit crazy it can be sometimes mostly nick cage and the ghost rider deisgna nd effects i like and i find enjoyable but they are still bad and flawed movies and im able to admit that...they are bad mvoies i dont hate or dislikeand i get enjoyment out of but im still able to see and recognise the flaws as an adult i couldnt see as a kid and i dont jsut shut my brain of and turn a blind eye and pretend the flaws that make it bad doesnt exist...i wouldnt claim its a good movie just because i like it and i have nostalgia for it that comes of as disingenuous to the moive/games overall qaulity repersenting it in that way when its proveable a flawed mess...same for you with spider-man 3 the game except you pretend ts actually still really good when it isnt instead of jsut excepting it for what it is...a bad game you happened to love because of nostalgic feelings and thats fine.....but at the end of the day reality is its a bad game you played when you was young that you liked because you unable to see or recognise qaulity due to your age and your unable to admit to yourself as a grown person or others its abad and flawed game you jsut happened to love because you grew up with it and have bias...people really have to come to turms with and admit just because you grew up with something or liked it when you was young doesnt mean its genuinely good qaulity wise and as an older more mature perosn you should be able to admit that..i was jsut like you i was a young kid that played this game as one of my first ps3 games aswell on my 10th or 11th birthday and i liked it becuase i loved spider-man but as i got older im able to admit its kind of crappy and doesnt hold up at all compared to games that came out before and after it..it is werid tho how spider-man 3 the game and movie ended up beign the worst received out of the trilogy..youd think with it being a game they could of made all the rushed elements in the movie work better in a game format because tis longer and ahs more time to flesh things out but then they just forced in more unrelated villain plotlines like rhino an scoprion plotline and the lizard and kraven, the kingpin plotlines none of which had anything to do wiht the main story going on that takes away from the main plot and villains not having enough time or development in the game so it was an even more rushed cluster fuck mess then the movie itself..hell the unibomber pltline didnt need to be there and be so long and time consuming as hes just a villain made up enterly for the game and has no background lore yet gets more screen time and focus then the actual main spider-man villains of the story ,new goblin, sand man and venom and a hole lot of time is wasted on this nothing of a character that shouldnt be here because he doesnt even exist and was made up for the game takeing time away from actual spidey villains that are the main villaisn and yet he gets more screen time with his plotline then they do...im sorry if this seems to long for you or seems like an attack on you its not im just trying to chat with you about the topic of spider-man 3s quality that you brought up and share my thoughts on it

[@Pigpen_YT]

@@donbirkinshaw1630 dude settle down wtf

[@donbirkinshaw1630]

@@Pigpen_YT okie dokie then your channel your the boss...i didnt mean anything bad or mean by it..was just trying to make conversation with a differences of opinion...but i can see how it can come acorss as harash of which wasnt my intention which i tried to clearfy in my comment i ddint insult him or use harsah language and tried to be respectful while disagreeing with what was said...im not tryign to rant or argue .i jsut usual have alot of thoughts and opinions i like to express and share with people that are in to simuler interests and get carried away in my thoughts and words..i have trouble expressing myself sometimes and and trying speak my mind due to certain disabilitys i dont want to get in to but the sort short versiosn is have toruble proccsing and expressing my thoughts sometimes and can be more diffcult to expresss and explain threw text and words and can end up in overly long paragaths or exapination trying to explain myself and my thoughts..this can happen rarther the opinion or emtions im expressing is neagtive and or postive and sometimes go in to to much detail and inst an indeicator of me trying to rant i just have trouble explaining and expressing myself due to my autism and learning diffiucltys i have...understandable if you saw it a different way and didnt understand where im coming from as you dont know me or my problmes or issues i get it i dont want any trouble

[@minithegameguy4674]

Honestly, I haven't played it. But from what I've seen, it's poorly animated, goofy, and comical for a lot of reasons. I love it!

[@Person-wz6iy]

GIANT LIZARDS!

[@sushiatsushi1538]

I always watched your iceberg videos all of them are great and more power to your channel!!

[@theartisticpaperbag6247]

Yo this is hype your first spider man iceberg is one my favorite videos in KZbin

[@42Mrgreenman]

I think the whole "True bred" thing with Mayday is that her powers are not a mutation for her, that's the genetics she was supposed to get with Spidey as a dad...oddly if she had been born with no powers, she would technically be a mutant...unless all of Pete's genes are recessive and she had them and they just don't function...

[@Dan.Rolen.20]

I don’t think the Spider-Man lotus thing didn’t really age perfectly well because of the allegations

[@MikeVonwolkenstein]

Awesome video! Love these icebergs

[@markmagician2471]

Spider-Man isn't a mutant. Mutants are born and gain their powers during puberty. Spider-Man got his powers in a freak accident

[@yanfei7782]

It’s also ridiculous for one of the silhouettes to be Mysterio because he was in the movie that took place not even ten minutes before No Way Home Started.

[@amazingbro6723]

Keep up with the great icebergs man!

[@CrisisMoon7]

Tomorrow this video will be 2 years old, I remember helping my mom with her groceries when this video just came out haha May 5 24 Sunday

[@ThatOneGuy7550]

Personally, I love the story of Marvel Ruins. It's really bleak, yes, but I think it's an interesting take on the Earth 616 universe

[@akaro4747]

Thanks, i love your superhero icebergs.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

The one thing I truly don't understand is how Sam "Evil Dead" Raimi doesn't understand how to write the Black Suit well. Slow Deadite Possession. Done. As for Venom? Eddie Brock + Deadite. Done again.

[@TheWaving1]

Disappointed because you didn't use the Spiderman ass slap clip to transition to the entry after Elsa-gate

[@igur_yes]

who's winning? spider-tsum tsum or spider plushie.

[@PsychoCrusher46]

Neither cause Lego Spider-man would beat both of them

[@SpiderBud420]

Love your stuff!! Please keep it up. I'm sure others appreciate your work like i do.

[@KingOfVermin]

Hold on… so Imagine Dragon got hired to make the music for their musical and then said “hmmm…. That’s pretty good doe…. We should release that ourselve….” And flarking dipped? 😭😭

[@jeemjobblejipjenjinsenjens6072]

How did I never think about Venom leaving his tiny sludge around could easily cause Scorpion to acquire it because he has been shown in the MCU.