The Star of Bethlehem - Documentary Part 1: History and Chronology

[@carlmeeks8632]

Thank God for letting us have him for a little while.

[@TheSilmarillian]

The one thing I find fascinating is a single person appeared from nowhere preached for three years and changed the whole course of civilisation that much I know to be true

[@sylviehaddad2323]

He was born. And he is the savior. Amen 🙏🏻

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Serpentis* Also known as Ophiuchus or the Serpent Bearer 13th Sunsign of the Babylonian Zodiac

[@kathleenknepshield2685]

The apostles Matthew, John as well as Peter were indeed contemporaries of Jesus. John writes in his gospel, I have seen him, touched him. ate with him, testified of him.

[@cord11ful]

Exactly! Right out of the gate the narrator got this wrong; also the gospels were not written a long time distant from the events; closer than many documents we take as sound evidence for historical events. We're already on wonky ground with this doco, and it's only 7 minutes in.

[@stargazerastro]

All opinions are welcome here, no one will be censored - except for offensive content, which will be deleted immediately. Therefore, I would like to ask everyone to remain respectful and decent. I will also delete any comment in which my presentation or my self is offended. This also includes designations such as “demonic” or “satanic”. Because anyone who uses such terms to refer to others disqualifies himself for any objective discussion.

[@stargazerastro]

If this comment consisted of more than a simple assertion, which also suggests that the author has only watched a fraction of the video (if at all), it might be possible to respond... So all I can do is ignore .

[@davidrobbins3018]

It really did happen and it was Venus in conjuntion with Jupter in retrograde forming a moving, very bright light that moved in the heavens and settled over Bethlehem. Stalerium has a star movement program that showed this very alighnment happen back in March of 4BC and there is a great video out done very well that shows it all. Un like this one that video makes the claim as to its solving of the myths surrounding the miricle of his birth as it most certainly was!

[@stargazerastro]

There are so many events that are believed by different authors to be the Star of Bethlehem. As I say several times in the videos, you can disprove every single one of these assumptions with numerous opposing arguments. Regarding the famous video of Rick Larson, who also claims to have found out the absolute truth, there are plenty of websites and articles that oppose him and present all kinds of arguments to the contrary. That's why I'm not committing myself to anything here and just showing what possibilities and attempted answers there are. I am by no means presenting everything that exists on the subject. I would have needed 10 more videos for that... By the way, I also use Stellarium - for professional reasons. I have verified many of these alleged data. As an astronomer, I see little spectacular in most of these events. Close passages or occultations of the star Regulus in Leo by Jupiter or Venus, for example, as Larson describes it, are by far not as rare events as anyone wants to make believe...

[@jeffreypardy2831]

actually it was a conjunction of jupiter saturn and mars that recently happened in 2020 but it was in 7 bc this occured,and jesus was born on august 21 7 bc

[@davidrobbins3018]

@@jeffreypardy2831 Nah just keep looking Sir. With all due respect(and my bad for not remembering the name of the astronomer that made the video but its out there) There was a very visible conjuntion between Jupiter(The King planet)and Venus(the bright morning star) which did a retrograde swing right over bethlhem and stopping right over his birthplace. The Magi were decendents of Daniel and knew prophecy and came from Babylon bearing gifts because all the signs were right(Jupiter/Rex or King and Venus or Bright morning star) and planets is Latin for Planea or wandering stars being not fixed as regular stars are and the only way to get the brightness and movement to fufill prophecy.

[@jeffreypardy2831]

@@davidrobbins3018 an extraordenary conjuction of jupiter and saturn in the constilation pisces on may 29, september 29 and december 5 of 7 bc

[@cord11ful]

@@stargazerastro You may have astrological knowledge - I can't judge that, as I have next to zero knowledge in that regard - but by 7 minutes in you have made erroneous statements regarding Biblical historical facts - 1) that none of the gospel writers had known Jesus, & 2) that the gospels were written a LONG time after the death of Christ. Factually wrong. Please do some serious study before making blanket statements like this. This gives me no confidence to keep watching this 'documentary'.

[@christianpatriot7439]

It was not at all uncommon for shepherds to stay out all night with their flocks even in freezing weather. When Jacob was preparing to leave his father-in-law Laban, he reminded Laban that he (Jacob) had endured the frosts of winter while looking after Laban's sheep. Winter is the rainy season in Israel so that's when pastures would be at their best, no shepherd would have wanted to waste time moving his sheep out out of the cold only to return them to their pastures the next day. Furthermore, cold weather does not bother sheep. Even today late winter and early spring is lambing season in the cold regions of the Northern Hemisphere, and farmers don't always bother to provide much cover for their animals.

[@stargazerastro]

***IMPORTANT ADDITION:*** There are many different opinions about when Jesus was born, whether the Gospels are contradictory, who the Magi were and what the Star of Bethlehem is all about. Depending on the basic conviction and motivation of the authors, they either try to prove the biblical texts as corresponding to the facts at any cost, or reject everything on principle and dismiss it as pious fiction. In particular regarding the date of December 25, the assertion of numerous historians that the early Christianity have placed the birthday of Jesus intentionally on an already existing Roman feast day (Dies Natalis Solis Invicti) is doubted by not few - mostly Christian - authors. The explanation favored by Christian authors for December 25 is that this date was calculated from the day of Jesus’ death. The day of the crucifixion was known from the Gospel of John as the day before Passover, the 14th of Nisan. Around the year 200 AD, the church writer Tertullian equated this 14th Nisan of the Jewish lunisolar calendar with March 25 of the Roman solar calendar, which also corresponded to the spring equinox and was identified by early Christians with the first day of creation. Furthermore, in ancient times, it was believed that important people would not die at some point, but exactly on their birthday. With reference to Jesus, the idea is said to have prevailed that not his birthday corresponds to his day of death, but the day on which he was conceived. With the assumption that the crucifixion took place on the equinox, on March 25, according to the Julian calendar valid at that time, and that this also was the day of Jesus' conception by the Holy Spirit, then the date of birth after nine months of pregnancy is December 25. Seen in this way, there still remains a reference to the winter solstice, which was celebrated by the pagan Celts as well as by the Romans. Basically, both theories - the computational hypothesis and the religious-historical hypothesis - are still being disputed and there are pros and cons for both views. Anyway, the thesis according to which it was the other way around - i. e. that not the Christians have adopted an already existing Roman feast day on the day of the winter solstice, but the Romans did copy the Christian feast day on December 25, as some authors claim, remain extremely unlikely - especially in view of the situation and persecution of Christians in the epoch in question. It is highly unlikely that the Romans of the 2nd and 3rd centuries adopted the traditions of a Jewish sect, that - at the same time - they rejected and persecuted. Some historians assume that later church scholars wanted to erase any connection with paganism and therefore propagated such explanations for the Christmas date of December 25 that deny any common ground with Roman traditions.

[@Jaybee6428]

The kingdom of heaven is at hand.. go forth stars and spread the word lest ye fall to the earth...... kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJPQpIqkn62UosU

[@richardrogers156]

I took a picture last Jesus conception day in Ohio that looked different than all the other star's.E.Raymond Capt has a teaching Lost tribes of Israel found.A Strongs concordance bible dictionary in Greek and Hebrew has helped alot.The shepherds chapel, Arkansas has alot of information you probably haven't heard before?Alot of what he taught about prophecy is happening.Arnold passed away in 2014-2015 but his son Dennis Murray still still teaches.Arnolds old teachings are up for a second witness.💪😇🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏I've seen things in the sky last couple years in Ohio I've never seen before.

[@KarenUntz]

Research Constantine. It was done to keep rebellion down among the pagans when Christianity became the official religion of Rome.

[@stargazerastro]

@@KarenUntz Yes, there were rebellion and unrest, but also among the Christian groups. That is why Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea. And when Christianity became the official religion of Rome, Constantine had already died for over 50 years. It was Theodosius I. who established Christianity as religion of state.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

"I will return at the end of the Age, during Rosh Hashanah, feast of Trumpets, though I do not know the Day or the Hour." Jesus "The NWO will begin Sept 17th 2001 during Rosh Hashanah Feast of Trumpets, Resurrection of the Dead, the year 6000 of the Great Pyramid Calendar, in order to cleanse the Earth and Humanity in preparation for his Kingdom on Earth" British Israel Foundation memo 1922. "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. 5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen." Genesis 8:4

[@21gioni]

Often in the ancient times ⭐️ are referred to as angels. There’s an ancient story spoken by the Kurdish. The three wise men after seeing Jesus were told by an Angel. So they returned home in another direction. This means converted and no longer practiced astrology or the arts of divination. They returned in a new way changed.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Angels = Constellations of Summer Daemons = Constellations of Winter

[@brian.louis107]

The stars were made only for decoration? What about Genesis 1:14 "let them be for signs and for seasons, for days and years" All of God's creation is part of a purpose.

[@DavidJones-ji9ce]

Hi Andrea! Some information you might not be aware of: The Prophet Daniel chapter 9:24-27, Daniel was given information of future events by the Angel Gabriel. Daniel 9:24, begins with Two Hebrew words, שבעים שבעים SHaBAYaM SHaBAYaM or Seventy Seventy, The Masoretic vowel pointing Translated one of these words to mean 'Weeks' instead of 'Seventy', hence 'the Seventy Weeks Prophesy'. Seventy Seventy indicates Two Calculations each beginning withe Seventy. Daniel 9:25, Shows the Two Events: The First: from "the going forth of the Command" to rebuild Jerusalem The Second: "until Messiah the Prince" (the Birth of the Messiah) This is followed by Two calculations that correspond to these events: The First Calculation: Seventy (not weeks) and Seven, 70x7=490 plus 7x7=49 Total= 539. This is the Year of the Word or Command by the Persian King Cyrus that ended the Babylonian captivity to rebuild Jerusalem and its Temple in 539 BC. see, Ezra 1:1. The Second Calculation: Seventy (not weeks) Sixty and Two, 70x7=490 minus 62x7=434 Total = 56. This is the Year of the Birth of Messiah the Prince (Anointed Prince) in 56 BC. At the time of the Birth of the Messiah the Angel Gabriel warned Joseph to go to Egypt with the Child. At that time the Kingdom of Israel was united under one King, Herod Antipater the Idumaean who was the Father of Herod the Great. Antipater was murdered in 43 BC, at that time Gabriel told the family it was safe to return to Nazareth, the Child now being 12 and in his 13th year. Daniel 9:26, continues, 'After' Seventy Sixty and Two Messiah will be Cut Off (in Death). So after 56 years of Life He was Crucified, at the end of 1 BC and beginning 1 AD. Daniel 9:27, He (the Risen Messiah) shall confirm a Covenant with many for One Seven (not one week) and Half a Seven (not in the middle of the week) 7x7=49 plus 3x7=21 Total= 70. ( the Sabbath is ignored having not completed a Seven Day count so only Six Days are halved). The Messiah Confirmed the Covenant during Pentecost by pouring Holy Spirit on His followers (the many) and continued supporting them till the end of the Age in 70 AD, Matthew 28:20. Seventy years brings us to the Destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD. There is more information and scriptures to back this up. Hope you find this interesting? May we all be Blessed.

[@stargazerastro]

Hi David, thanks for the comprehensive information. I will be happy to take a look at them. Have a great day.

[@DavidJones-ji9ce]

@@stargazerastro Hi Andrea! Thank you for replying to my comment. Yes, it was a bit long! Hebrew Script carries a greater understanding of the Bible especially in its interlinear form of Hebrew to English Translation. An understanding of Biblical Hebrew helps you see where a Translation changes the meaning of words to introduce tradition into the text. Keep researching and producing great content.

[@stargazerastro]

It was pointed out to me that Archelaus is correctly pronounced "Ark-uh-lay-us". Okay, well but if we value correct pronunciation, it should be taken into account that this Greek name actually had the ending "OS" ( ) and probably was pronounced even rather "Arke-lay-os". If we want to take this into account, we should call Mark, Matthew, Luke and John from now on Marcus, Matthaios, Lukas and Ioannes... Kaisar instead of Caesar, Plinius instead of Pliny and Yehoshua instead of Jesus.

[@KarenUntz]

Yeshua.

[@ronnievelasquez1544]

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[@21gioni]

Records of the census might be found that took place in the same year Jesus was born.

[@stargazerastro]

If we only knew, which year it was... There were different censuses, most of them concerned only Roman citizens. Censuses of only the taxable "Provinciales" - as they called the inhabitants of the provinces who were not Roman citizens - verifiably did not take place in Judea, where Jesus is said to have been born, until the deprivation of power of the last Ethnarch Archelaus, and that was in 6 AD. All authors, although often differing in the exact year odf Jesus birth, agree at least that this is clearly much too late...

[@21gioni]

@@stargazerastro I don’t think it is any issue of importance, so long as we have set aside a time and date for celebrations. Similar when we celebrate any events we have freedom to choose a time to celebrate our Christian Heritage.

[@DanHowardMtl]

Loved these Bethlehem videos. Subscribed!

[@stargazerastro]

Thank you 🙏

[@Mairiain]

Your information about the evangelists in the four gospel accounts is inaccurate: they were all contemporary witnesses, and the majority of scholars have concluded that these accounts were written as early as 10-15 years after Jesus due to internal evidence. The stars, sun, and moon are also used as signs of special times, seasons, and years (Gen 1:14) and so are not just lamps or for decoration.

[@stargazerastro]

@Stampede --- Stampede commented: ""None of the 4 synoptic evangelists has been a contemporary witness of Jesus?" That's just plain false, sorry." Your comment has been deleted or is not displayed for some reasons, therefore I'll reply here: The authorship of all the Gospels is highly disputed. For exaple it is assumed that Matthew and John are not identical with the apostles of the same name. It is not even sure whether "Matthew" or "Luke" were single authors, or several people. The assumption valid today is that none of the evangelists were eyewitnesses of Jesus, because the oldest gospel (Mark) was written 30-40 years after Jesus' death and the gospels of Matthew and Luke between 80 and 90 AD - that is 50-60 years after Jesus' death. The texts of John are dated even later. At best they could have been students of the apostles. Furthermore, Matthew and Luke drew a great deal of inspiration from Mark - whole passages are similar - which they certainly would not have done if they have been eyewitnesses themselves or possessed first-hand material.

[@user-nb2sn6id4r]

Bla bla... surely a protestant. Don't care if you remove my comment...

[@haridathcu9999]

The idea that it was angel, anomalous arial phenomenon, etc. is also legitimate. The specific kind of light here would be what the pilots of the WW2 called "foo-fighters" which is just a ball of light. An angel can also act in a similar way since they are immaterial. We have the historic account of an angel's activity during the phenomena at fatima, portugal.

[@frtillmanYT]

We have the historic account of an demon's activity during the phenomena at fatima, portugal.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Great Conjuction of Jupiter, Uranus, and Saturn Just like what happened 14 days before Trumps attempted Coup. Soros gave Trump $160 million in 2004 for overdue loans on 666ft tall Trump Tower, where Trump lives on the 66th floor in a Golden penthouse modelled after Versailles, built by Lious XIV, the Sun King. And Soros gave Kushner $250 million for rfid research at 666 5th Ave New York. Soros and Trump have even spent Xmases at each other's homes. Meanwhile Epstein worked for Trump, and had over $600 million dollars when he died at 66.6 years old, under Bill Barr's watch, when Bill Barr's Father was the one who gave Epstein his first job at Dalton Girl's in Palm Beach, Florida. Epstein was first let off under Alex Acosta, who Trump promoted to Secretary of Labor. The Secretary of Labor is responsible for investigating Human Trafficking. Trump Roger Stone and Epstein all trained under Roy Cohn, who ran the Boystown trafficking ring for Nixon and Reagan as well as the Franklin Cover up. Cohn was gay and admitted to running kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of Mossad. That's why Cons bend the knee Michael Parker, Ten Mar-a-Lago, Palm Beach, FL, 1992. Trump paid his parents a $3 million settlement. ....... Charles Bacon, Eleven $3 million, allegations of inter course, 1994, Trump Tower, NY, NY ........ Kevin Noll, Eleven Trump Tower, NY, NY. 1998. Settlement details unknown. ........ Rebecca Conway, Thirteen. Trump Vineyard Estates, Charlottesville, VA, 2012, $5 million settlement. ......... Maria Olivera, Twelve, Her family was paid $16 million to settle allegations of .... occurring in Mar-a-Lago, Palm Beach, FL, 1993. ......... Kelly Feuer, Twelve. $1 million settlement paid in 1989, allegations of forced intercourse, Trump Tower, NY, NY. . .......... Katie Johnson, 13, her video is right here on KZbin Trump assaulted her at Epstein's NY Mansion in 1994 Five of the seven "alleged" incidents took place at two of Trump's best-known properties -- Trump Tower in New York City and Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, FL. The exception is incident No. 4, which is the most recent (2012) and took place at Albemarle Estate at Trump Winery. Donald and Eric Trump opened the facility as a bed-and-breakfast in May 2015. 3 boys and 4 girls, Katie Johnson was attacked at Epstein's NY Mansion in 94, he then bought a Mansion in Palm Beach from Epstein's Boss Les Wexner which he onsold to Russian Oligarch Dmitry Rybolovnev, for 3 times it's market value, which is money laundering. Katie's testimony is right here on You Tube, where she describes him as being a chronic germaphobe, which he is, and she had no reason to know. Epstein and Ghislaine also went to his wedding to trans Melania, as did Oprah, Gayle King, and Dr Oz, who is a sufi Muslim. Oh, and Billy Bush. Epstein also opened both Trump and Hillary's slush fund charities at the same tax haven in Delaware, 1209 Nth Orange St. Biden's seat. It's a big club. This is why he won't release his taxes and they won't get published. Steve Wiles N Carolina Randy Boning N Dokata Mark Fowley Florida Larry Craig Idaho Richard Curtis Washington Glenn Murphy Indiana Ralph Shorty Oklahoma Robert Bauman Maryland Keola Childs Hawaii Jim West Washington Roy Ashnurn California Robert Allen Florida Greg Davis Mississippi Bruce Barclay Pennsylvania Jim Kolbe Arizona Dennis Hastert Illinois Jim Jordan Ohio Roy Moore Chief Justice Wes Goodman Ohio Steve Crowder Canada George Nader Trump campaign Rudy Guiliani New York Alex Jones Infowars Roy Cohn New York Donald Trump New York Antonin Scalia Supreme Court (whose son is now the Sec of Labor) Edgar J Hoover Director FBI Yeah, the Republiklan are totes not just closet gays subject to a mafia sexual blackmail ring Not to mention the kids those kids will now be forced to have with abortion being illegal

[@cristineconnell7803]

You had me until the Fatima stuff!

[@edwarddorsheimer2055]

Christ was conceived within the womb about December 25. He was born of the womb around September 29 when the lambs were grazing in the pastures. This information is obtainable from the Companion Bible = EW Bullinger. The video is extremely informative. Unfortunately there is some extraneous information.

[@christianpatriot7439]

The Winter Solstice has never fallen on December 25 on any calendar that humans have ever been known to devise.

[@stargazerastro]

The winter solstice was celebrated in many ancient and early medieval cultures a few days before or after the date of the actual solstice. At the time of the introduction of the Julian calendar, the solstices were on December 25 and June 24.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Solstice is on 21st, then the Sun stays still for 3 days, and starts moving again on the 25th. Also no one has considered the Moon is born, dies, and is resurrected every month, which is named for the Moon. There are also 12 Moons to an hour.... Jesus Reborn

[@johncipolletti5611]

Yes, there was a star of Bethlehem. However, it wasn't a star, it was a CONJUNCTION of planets (Jupiter and Saturn?) easily seen at latitude 42°. Also, the wisemen were early astronomers. The conjunction actually happened in 7 B.C. and not on December 25. Want proof? December 25 was a Roman holiday called Sol Invictus. The people partied heavily on this day. The church tried to neutralize this day and could not. So they set the birth of Jesus on that day.

[@stargazerastro]

Hello and many thanks for the comment. In the third part of this documentary (see link) the planetary conjunction you mention is indeed presented as one of the top theories: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4WmmIt3qJhjd7M

[@johncipolletti5611]

@@stargazerastro However, is the timing for this conjunction presented?

[@stargazerastro]

​ @John Cipolletti Of course it is, but - by the way - you could simply watch the 3rd part of the documentary and your questions will be answered... :) I'll do anyway: The conjunction you’re referring to was a triple Jupiter-Saturn-conjunction that occurred during the year 7 B.C. Triple means that both planets approached each other three times within a couple of month, due to looping and retrograde motions of the planets in the sky. The first encounter took place on May, 27, the second on October, 6, and the third and last one on December, 4, 7 B.C. According to this theory (Ferrari-D'Occhieppo), the Magi started their journey in October - four months after the first sighting of the planets rising in the east on May. When they arrived in Jerusalem in December, the pair of planets stood in the south and showed the Magi the way to Bethlehem.

[@jacobdanneskjold8472]

Quite interesting and very well done, especially the dating thesis well done.

[@stargazerastro]

Thank you.

[@christianpatriot7439]

According to Strong the Greek word Paidion can mean infant, and in Luke 1:59 the term was used to indicate John the Baptist when he was just 8 days old. Applying the word to Jesus in Matthew 2 does not indicate anything about His age.

[@christianpatriot7439]

None of the dates given by ancient sources for the Saturnalia include December 25. And even if December 25 was used to make the birth of Sol Invictus, the earliest known documentation for this and the earliest known documentation for December 25 being Christmas are rough contemporaneous- the documentation for the two are only a few decades apart. By the time Sol Invictus was widespread in the Roman Empire Christianity was rapidly becoming the majority religion within the Empire. If anything Pagans copied the Christians.

[@stargazerastro]

The Saturnalia took place after 45 BC as a festival lasting several days between December 17 and 23, although it was later extended to December 30. By the way, there is nothing more improbable than the assumption that the Romans in the first to third century A.D. - that is, at the height of the persecution of the Christians - should have copied a Christian feast day...

[@craignedoff991]

Good luck with your new venture. Thank you for your work 🙏

[@lanabowers5332]

The 'Star of Bethlehem' was not an astronomical or cosmological event. Joseph (Jesus' father) formed an alliance with Theudas, the head of the Therapeutes. The 2 in warrior mode gave themselves titles taken from an OT verse. Joseph was the 'Star' (of David). Theudas was the 'Scepter'. The West Manasseh Magi were a priestly caste of Samaritan philosophers. They were founded in 44BC by Menahem, & later led by Simon Zelotes. The Magians were Joseph's political associates. When they 'followed the star', they were agreeing with Joseph that a new Davidic king had been born (Jesus). Because they recognized him as king, they were accepting him as legitimate. Also, Jesus was born Sunday March 1, 7BC. He was born in the latter reign of Herod the Great. Herod died in 4 BC. Jesus should have been born in the royal month of September, the month dynastics should be born. He was given the15th of September to be his official birthday, & to be in line for Messianc requirement. The 'Shepherds in the field' scenario is this: Down at Ain Feshkha, the 'farm', the pastors or 'shepherds' were meeting for the equinox. The 'Angel of the Lord' (Simon the Essene, Simeon, the Abiatha-Gabriel Priest) came to them & announced that the 12 year old Jesus would continue the succession. The ministers sang a hymn of praise, & declared the new policy 'peace on earth'.

[@squidysawyer8545]

There are not 4 different story's told in the Bible, their are 4 different people telling the same story with a few different things that each of them seen, just like if 4 people today see something happen, they tell the same story with tiny differences because they would've noticed a few little things the other people there didn't notice.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

That don't even match and contradict each other on key points, also no Providence, we don't know who wrote them and whoever did was about 300 years late

[@romanchomenko2912]

Jesus was born in 5BC and comet occurred starting on March the 10th lasting 70 days away from Bethlehem. The wisemen were merchants selling gold from Persia ,frankincense and Myrrh from the Arabic lands. A fully loaded camel can travel 25 miles a day so 1750 miles away from Bethlehem if they were traders then upto 20 camels in a caravan and six handlers plus the 3 Magi so 123 in all .

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Frankincense and Myrr alludes to the Phoenix, based on the Metonic Calendar Hence the israelites were actually the Phoenicians, who were Proto Celtic Tribes. Israel is literally the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, Fruit of Isis and Ra, and may denote a specific Solar Eclipse

[@seekrighteousness297]

The shepherds are different people than the Magi. The Magi came later after Jesus was born you got your facts mixed up

[@stargazerastro]

From minute 35:45 I clearly say that Luke's account of the shepherds and Matthew's account are to be considered separately. Your comment is thus self debunking, you should listen... :)

[@haridathcu9999]

I subscribed, I hope ( you) make more videos

[@Psalm1101]

He was conceived in september born june 17 and the wise men magi showed dec25 and the family left to egypt at this time by help from a dream and the magi for 7 yrs when herod died and his son herod also .

[@jiseonglee1645]

Thank you for your work😍

[@bijanjan100]

Sorry, but there is no such a thing as year zero. We can say point zero but not year zero. For example, if we consider your birthday, the moment you were born is the point zero, but since that moment, even with only one day of existence, you are in the year one, although you have not yet completed one year. Then, with one year and one day you are already in the second year of your life. Considering all this, for example one year before you were born is the year one before you and not year zero, and so on

[@stargazerastro]

Thank you, that's actually exactly what I'm explaining in this video, among other things. And that is that there was no year zero.

[@grickels874]

You are completely wrong if you are saying that the Gospels were not written by contemporaries of Jesus- all 4 were disciples and had direct contact with Jesus for years! Other errors and slant- I can’t give it any more of my time

[@stargazerastro]

I am terribly sorry if what I say here does not fit into your world view. What you claim - that the evangelists were disciples - is not supported by any evidence, but only by church tradition. The church has been transfiguring historical facts for centuries. Historical research says otherwise. But you are welcome to burn secular historians at the stake…

[@grickels874]

Ok, you get a couple minutes more. First, what a warped view of true Christianity you have, if you think we would want to “burn secular historians at the stake”. ALL faiths have had those who have committed atrocities ( some still do), in the name of protecting and promoting their faith. Second, if you call yourself a secular historian, you are definitely the first and only I have heard that deny that the authors of the Gospels were contemporaries of Jesus. The same contemporaries who, having seen what they did, went to horrible deaths (in persecution for being Christian), not with fear but assurance of eternal life and joy to be with the Lord again. Who does that, if they hadn’t experienced something incredible personally? The New Testament was written not hundreds of years later as you say, but within the lifetimes of those who walked, ate and talked with Jesus. And, archeologists are actually finding writings, temples, artifacts that bear out what is recorded in the Bible. Please do some more research before you put stuff out

[@stargazerastro]

@@grickels874 And again my statements are given wrongly. I have nowhere asserted that the gospels were written hundreds of years later, but that with it their writing was written at the earliest 30 years after Jesus' death. And about it there are numerous reports, also in the Internet. The history is based on findings. Earlier sources have either not yet been found (historians are still searching for the famous Q-Source). Thus, there no text found which is considered older than the Greek writings from the 4rd century like Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus. Although there should be older texts written in Hebrew or Aramaic. That some biblical descriptions are historically verifiable and accurate is also what I say in this video. I'm beginning to suspect that maybe you should watch the video properly and, more importantly, understand it properly before criticizing it.... I do not give here my own views, but information which can be read elsewhere as well - if you want to...

[@grickels874]

6:36- 6:56 . Why do you say the Gospels were written 30 years after the crucifixion of Jesus? If so, still not a long time. They were all contemporaries, all authors, yet you say no contemporary record? They would not have written their accounts as events occurred, but in a retrospective, comprehensive view. They wrote what they were inspired to write, of their experiences.

[@stargazerastro]

@@grickels874 Well, since you want to know exactly: The following are my sources and very abbreviated summaries of its contents, books and publications written by authors who, by the way, are all studied historians and not self-proclaimed experts. 1. Mark, like all the gospels, is anonymous. An early church tradition attributed it to Mark the Evangelist, supposed to be a companion of the Apostle Peter during his evangelical journeys, but it is now recognised that it relies on several underlying sources, varying in form and theology, and the authorship of John Mark is therefore rejected by most modern scholars. Source: Theissen, Gerd; Merz, Annette (1998). The Historical Jesus: A Comprehensive Guide. Fortress Press. Translated from German (1996 edition). 2. Regarding Matthew, the majority of modern scholars believe it is unlikely that this gospel was written by an eyewitness to the ministry of Jesus. Internal evidence suggests that the author was an ethnic Jewish male scribe from a Hellenised city, possibly Antioch in Syria, and that he used a variety of oral traditions and written sources about Jesus, most importantly Mark and the hypothetical collection of sayings known as the Q source. Source: Duling, Dennis C. (2005). "Matthew, Gospel acc. to St.". In Cross, F. L. (ed.). The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church. New York: Oxford University Press. 3. About Luke and the Act of Apostels, there is general agreement that these texts originated as a two-volume work by a single author. This author was an "amateur Hellenistic historian", who was versed in Greek rhetoric, that being the standard training for historians in the ancient world. In the preface to Luke, the author refers to having eyewitness testimony "handed down to us" and to have undertaken a "careful investigation", but does not mention his own name or explicitly claim to be an eyewitness to any of the events. The we passage in Acts are written in the first person plural-the author never refers to himself as "I" or "me"-and these are usually regarded as fragments of some earlier account which were incorporated into Acts by the later author, or simply a Greek rhetorical device which was used for describing sea voyages. Source: Robbins, Vernon. (1978). "By Land and By Sea: The We-Passages and Ancient Sea Voyages". In C. H. Talbert (ed.). Perspectives on Luke-Acts. Perspectives in Religious Studies, Special Studies Series, No. 5. Edinburgh: T.& T. Clark. 4. John 21:24 identifies the "disciple whom Jesus loved" as the author of at least some of the gospel, and from the late 2nd century this figure, unnamed in the Gospel itself, was identified as John the Evangelist, the author of the entire gospel. Today, however, most scholars agree that John 21 is an appendix to the Gospel, which originally ended at John 20:30-31, and believe that the author made use of two major sources, a "Signs" source (a collection of seven miracle stories) and a "Discourse" source. Scholars date John to 90-110 CE, with the lower date based on internal reference to the expulsion of Christians from the synagogues, and the upper on external evidence that the gospel was known in the early 2nd century. Source: Lincoln, Andrew (2005). Gospel According to St John. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 978-1441188229. Further sources: • Knox, W. L. (1948). The Acts of the Apostles. • Kim, P.J (2003). "Letters of John". In Aune, David (ed.). Westminster Dictionary of the New Testament and Early Christian Literature. Westminster John Knox Press. ISBN 978-0664219178. • Kimondo, Stephen Simon (2018). The Gospel of Mark and the Roman-Jewish War of 66-70 CE: Jesus' Story as a Contrast to the Events of the War. Wipf and Stock. ISBN 9781532653049. • Lane, William L. (1974). The Gospel of Mark. Eerdmans. ISBN 9780802825025.

[@stephenellis5729]

What about the town of Bethlehem right next to Nazareth. I think it’s like 3 miles away. Did Nazareth even exist then? I heard no years ago.

[@stargazerastro]

As the city of Nazareth is not mentioned in the O.T. and in non-biblical sources from the first and second centuries (such as Flavius Josephus), its existence at the time of the birth of Jesus has been doubted for some time. However, archaeological excavations have proven that the area around the present-day city had been inhabited since the 2nd millennium BC. However, at that time it can hardly be considered a town, probably not even a village. The findings indicate that the area around present-day Nazareth was very sparsely populated around the 1st century. Only few remains of buildings from this period have been found and no evidence at all of a synagogue, as mentioned in the N.T. (Luke 4:16).

[@stephenellis5729]

@@stargazerastro I agree, I was just being sarcastic.

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

Thats what the star was-----an actual astronomical event, prophesied many years earlier, a sign to the Magi, when they saw it.

[@seekrighteousness297]

The truth is that they can now trace star maps into the past and see exactly where the different stars were on any given day they learned the star was Jupiter there is a video on this on KZbin showing exact star maps

[@stargazerastro]

Thanks for the comment, this is exactly what the 3rd part is about. I also use the mentioned star maps and software for years for research.

[@uncannyvalley2350]

Conjunction of Jupiter, Regulus and Leo But it's equally likely a Great conjunction of Jupiter, Uranus, and Saturn, like we just had 14 days before Trump's coup

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

Take a look at what Dr Michael Heiser has to say. This makes the most sense, though I also believe there was an angelic element to the star. Also, the star of Bethlehem is a bit of a misnomer as the maji came 5:21 well after His birth and found Him at His house in Nazareth. See video link in comment below... Peace

[@ChrisG-cy2om]

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[@ItsACrazyWorld]

Very interesting

[@stargazerastro]

Thanks 🙏

[@admiralqueenbee2010]

🙏💫✨💛🌞🌟🌞💛✨💫🕉️✨🕊️✨Thank You

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

Is this a video on the star?

[@mostgreatfull]

*What was that Star that led the wise men to the manger?* *Bible symbology* *Star = Angel* ...*The seven stars are the angels* of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. *-Revelation 1:20* The wise men had seen a mysterious light in the heavens upon that night when the glory of God flooded the hills of Bethlehem. As the light faded, a luminous star appeared, and lingered in the sky. *It was not a fixed star nor a planet, and the phenomenon excited the keenest interest.* *That star was a distant company of shining angels,* ...but of this the wise men were ignorant. Yet they were impressed that the star was of special import to them. They consulted priests and philosophers, and searched the scrolls of the ancient records. The prophecy of Balaam had declared, *“There shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Scepter shall rise out of Israel.” Numbers **24:17**.* Could this strange star have been sent as a harbinger of the Promised One? The magi had welcomed the light of heaven-sent truth; now it was shed upon them in brighter rays. Through dreams they were instructed to go in search of the newborn Prince. *The Desire of Ages 60.1*

[@mostgreatfull]

*Chapter 6-"We have Seen His Star”* This chapter is based on Matthew 2 *“Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the East to Jerusalem, saying, Where is He that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen His star in the East, and are come to worship Him.”* DA 59.1 The wise men from the East were philosophers. They belonged to a large and influential class that included men of noble birth, and comprised much of the wealth and learning of their nation. Among these were many who imposed on the credulity of the people. Others were upright men who studied the indications of Providence in nature, and who were honored for their integrity and wisdom. Of this character were the wise men who came to Jesus. DA 59.2 The light of God is ever shining amid the darkness of heathenism. As these magi studied the starry heavens, and sought to fathom the mystery hidden in their bright paths, they beheld the glory of the Creator. Seeking clearer knowledge, they turned to the Hebrew Scriptures. In their own land were treasured prophetic writings that predicted the coming of a divine teacher. Balaam belonged to the magicians, though at one time a prophet of God; by the Holy Spirit he had foretold the prosperity of Israel and the appearing of the Messiah; and his prophecies had been handed down by tradition from century to century. But in the Old Testament the Saviour’s advent was more clearly revealed. The magi learned with joy that His coming was near, and that the whole world was to be filled with a knowledge of the glory of the Lord. DA 59.3 The wise men had seen a mysterious light in the heavens upon that night when the glory of God flooded the hills of Bethlehem. As the light faded, a luminous star appeared, and lingered in the sky. *It was not a fixed star nor a planet, and the phenomenon excited the keenest interest. That star was a distant company of shining angels,* but of this the wise men were ignorant. Yet they were impressed that the star was of special import to them. They consulted priests and philosophers, and searched the scrolls of the ancient records. The prophecy of Balaam had declared, *“There shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Scepter shall rise out of Israel.” Numbers **24:17**.* Could this strange star have been sent as a harbinger of the Promised One? The magi had welcomed the light of heaven-sent truth; now it was shed upon them in brighter rays. Through dreams they were instructed to go in search of the newborn Prince. DA 60.1 As by faith Abraham went forth at the call of God, *“not knowing whither he went”* *(Hebrews 11:8);* as by faith Israel followed the pillar of cloud to the Promised Land, so did these Gentiles go forth to find the promised Saviour. The Eastern country abounded in precious things, and the magi did not set out empty-handed. It was the custom to offer presents as an act of homage to princes or other personages of rank, and the richest gifts the land afforded were borne as an offering to Him in whom all the families of the earth were to be blessed. It was necessary to journey by night in order to keep the star in view; but the travelers beguiled the hours by repeating traditional sayings and prophetic utterances concerning the One they sought. At every pause for rest they searched the prophecies; and the conviction deepened that they were divinely guided. While they had the star before them as an outward sign, they had also the inward evidence of the Holy Spirit, which was impressing their hearts, and inspiring them with hope. The journey, though long, was a happy one to them. DA 60.2 They have reached the land of Israel, and are descending the Mount of Olives, with Jerusalem in sight, when, lo, the star that has guided them all the weary way rests above the temple, and after a season fades from their view. With eager steps they press onward, confidently expecting the Messiah’s birth to be the joyful burden of every tongue. But their inquiries are in vain. Entering the holy city, they repair to the temple. To their amazement they find none who seem to have a knowledge of the newborn king. Their questions call forth no expressions of joy, but rather of surprise and fear, not unmingled with contempt. DA 60.3 The priests are rehearsing traditions. They extol their religion and their own piety, while they denounce the Greeks and Romans as heathen, and sinners above others. The wise men are not idolaters, and in the sight of God they stand far higher than do these, His professed worshipers; yet they are looked upon by the Jews as heathen. Even among the appointed guardians of the Holy Oracles their eager questionings touch no chord of sympathy. DA 61.1 The arrival of the magi was quickly noised throughout Jerusalem. Their strange errand created an excitement among the people, which penetrated to the palace of King Herod. The wily Edomite was aroused at the intimation of a possible rival. Countless murders had stained his pathway to the throne. Being of alien blood, he was hated by the people over whom he ruled. His only security was the favor of Rome. But this new Prince had a higher claim. He was born to the kingdom. DA 61.2 Herod suspected the priests of plotting with the strangers to excite a popular tumult and unseat him from the throne. He concealed his mistrust, however, determined to thwart their schemes by superior cunning. Summoning the chief priests and the scribes, he questioned them as to the teaching of their sacred books in regard to the place of the Messiah’s birth. DA 61.3 This inquiry from the usurper of the throne, and made at the request of strangers, stung the pride of the Jewish teachers. The indifference with which they turned to the rolls of prophecy enraged the jealous tyrant. He thought them trying to conceal their knowledge of the matter. With an authority they dared not disregard, he commanded them to make close search, and to declare the birthplace of their expected King. *“And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judea: for thus it is written by the prophet,* DA 62.1 *“And thou Bethlehem, land of Judah,* *Art in nowise least among the princes of Judah:* *For out of thee shall come forth a governor,* *Which shall be shepherd of My people Israel.”* R.V. DA 62.2 Herod now invited the magi to a private interview. A tempest of wrath and fear was raging in his heart, but he preserved a calm exterior, and received the strangers courteously. He inquired at what time the star had appeared, and professed to hail with joy the intimation of the birth of Christ. He bade his visitors, *“Search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found Him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship Him also.”* So saying, he dismissed them to go on their way to Bethlehem. DA 62.3 The priests and elders of Jerusalem were not as ignorant concerning the birth of Christ as they pretended. The report of the angels’ visit to the shepherds had been brought to Jerusalem, but the rabbis had treated it as unworthy of their notice. They themselves might have found Jesus, and might have been ready to lead the magi to His birthplace; but instead of this, the wise men came to call their attention to the birth of the Messiah. *“Where is He that is born King of the Jews?”* they said; *“for we have seen His star in the East, and are come to worship Him.”* DA 62.4 Now pride and envy closed the door against the light. If the reports brought by the shepherds and the wise men were credited, they would place the priests and rabbis in a most unenviable position, disproving their claim to be the exponents of the truth of God. These learned teachers would not stoop to be instructed by those whom they termed heathen. It could not be, they said, that God had passed them by, to communicate with ignorant shepherds or uncircumcised Gentiles. They determined to show their contempt for the reports that were exciting King Herod and all Jerusalem. They would not even go to Bethlehem to see whether these things were so. And they led the people to regard the interest in Jesus as a fanatical excitement. Here began the rejection of Christ by the priests and rabbis. From this point their pride and stubbornness grew into a settled hatred of the Saviour. While God was opening the door to the Gentiles, the Jewish leaders were closing the door to themselves. DA 62.5

[@mostgreatfull]

The wise men departed alone from Jerusalem. The shadows of night were falling as they left the gates, but to their great joy they again saw the star, and were directed to Bethlehem. They had received no such intimation of the lowly estate of Jesus as was given to the shepherds. After the long journey they had been disappointed by the indifference of the Jewish leaders, and had left Jerusalem less confident than when they entered the city. At Bethlehem they found no royal guard stationed to protect the newborn King. None of the world’s honored men were in attendance. Jesus was cradled in a manger. His parents, uneducated peasants, were His only guardians. Could this be He of whom it was written, that He should *“raise up the tribes of Jacob,”* and *“restore the preserved of Israel;”* that He should be *“a light to the Gentiles,”* and for *“salvation unto the end of the earth”? Isaiah 49:6* DA 63.1 *“When they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary His mother, and fell down, and worshiped Him.”* Beneath the lowly guise of Jesus, they recognized the presence of Divinity. They gave their hearts to Him as their Saviour, and then poured out their gifts, *-“gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.”* What a faith was theirs! It might have been said of the wise men from the East, as afterward of the Roman centurion, *“I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.”* *Matthew 8:10* DA 63.2 The wise men had not penetrated Herod’s design toward Jesus. When the object of their journey was accomplished, they prepared to return to Jerusalem, intending to acquaint him with their success. But in a dream they received a divine message to hold no further communication with him. Avoiding Jerusalem, they set out for their own country by another route. DA 64.1 In like manner Joseph received warning to flee into Egypt with Mary and the child. And the angel said, *“Be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy Him.”* Joseph obeyed without delay, setting out on the journey by night for greater security. DA 64.2 Through the wise men, God had called the attention of the Jewish nation to the birth of His Son. Their inquiries in Jerusalem, the popular interest excited, and even the jealousy of Herod, which compelled the attention of the priests and rabbis, directed minds to the prophecies concerning the Messiah, and to the great event that had just taken place. DA 64.3 Satan was bent on shutting out the divine light from the world, and he used his utmost cunning to destroy the Saviour. But He who never slumbers nor sleeps was watching over His beloved Son. He who had rained manna from heaven for Israel and had fed Elijah in the time of famine provided in a heathen land a refuge for Mary and the child Jesus. And through the gifts of the magi from a heathen country, the Lord supplied the means for the journey into Egypt and the sojourn in a land of strangers. DA 65.1 The magi had been among the first to welcome the Redeemer. Their gift was the first that was laid at His feet. And through that gift, what privilege of ministry was theirs! The offering from the heart that loves, God delights to honor, giving it highest efficiency in service for Him. If we have given our hearts to Jesus, we also shall bring our gifts to Him. Our gold and silver, our most precious earthly possessions, our highest mental and spiritual endowments, will be freely devoted to Him who loved us, and gave Himself for us. DA 65.2 Herod in Jerusalem impatiently awaited the return of the wise men. As time passed, and they did not appear, his suspicions were roused. The unwillingness of the rabbis to point out the Messiah’s birthplace seemed to indicate that they had penetrated his design, and that the magi had purposely avoided him. He was maddened at the thought. Craft had failed, but there was left the resort to force. He would make an example of this child-king. Those haughty Jews should see what they might expect in their attempts to place a monarch on the throne. DA 65.3 Soldiers were at once sent to Bethlehem, with orders to put to death all the children of two years and under. The quiet homes of the city of David witnessed those scenes of horror that, six hundred years before, had been opened to the prophet. *“In Ramah was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.”* DA 65.4 This calamity the Jews had brought upon themselves. If they had been walking in faithfulness and humility before God, He would in a signal manner have made the wrath of the king harmless to them. But they had separated themselves from God by their sins, and had rejected the Holy Spirit, which was their only shield. They had not studied the Scriptures with a desire to conform to the will of God. They had searched for prophecies which could be interpreted to exalt themselves, and to show how God despised all other nations. It was their proud boast that the Messiah was to come as a king, conquering His enemies, and treading down the heathen in His wrath. Thus they had excited the hatred of their rulers. Through their misrepresentation of Christ’s mission, Satan had purposed to compass the destruction of the Saviour; but instead of this, it returned upon their own heads. DA 65.5 This act of cruelty was one of the last that darkened the reign of Herod. Soon after the slaughter of the innocents, he was himself compelled to yield to that doom which none can turn aside. He died a fearful death. DA 66.1 Joseph, who was still in Egypt, was now bidden by an angel of God to return to the land of Israel. Regarding Jesus as the heir of David’s throne, Joseph desired to make his home in Bethlehem; but learning that Archelaus reigned in Judea in his father’s stead, he feared that the father’s designs against Christ might be carried out by the son. Of all the sons of Herod, Archelaus most resembled him in character. Already his succession to the government had been marked by a tumult in Jerusalem, and the slaughter of thousands of Jews by the Roman guards. DA 66.2 Again Joseph was directed to a place of safety. He returned to Nazareth, his former home, and here for nearly thirty years Jesus dwelt, *“that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.”* Galilee was under the control of a son of Herod, but it had a much larger admixture of foreign inhabitants than Judea. Thus there was less interest in matters relating especially to the Jews, and the claims of Jesus would be less likely to excite the jealousy of those in power. DA 66.3 Such was the Saviour’s reception when He came to the earth. There seemed to be no place of rest or safety for the infant Redeemer. God could not trust His beloved Son with men, even while carrying forward His work for their salvation. He commissioned angels to attend Jesus and protect Him till He should accomplish His mission on earth, and die by the hands of those whom He came to save. DA 67.1

[@stargazerastro]

"...and the phenomenon excicted the keenest interest." Where did you get this information? As mentioned several times in these videos, the phenomenon obviously has been noticed by almost no one. Even Herod and his scribes were surprised when they heard about it. This fits with the fact that there are no other reliable observation reports about the star apart from Matthew's account - not even in the other New Testament writings and in Luke's important nativity narrative the star is completely missing... If it had been an over-all shining celestial appearance, there would have been way much more contemporary reports about it.

[@mostgreatfull]

@@stargazerastro The statement... *"and the phenomenon excited the keenest interest"* ...the keenest interest of the wise men. *Bible symbology* *Star = Angel* *....The seven stars are the angels* of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. *-Revelation 1:20* You are absolutely correct the eastern star(a company of angels) Only appeared to the wise men. If it were a fixed star or a planet it would have been known to astronomers, kings, priests, scribes, shepherds and common folk alike. Matthew 2:1, 2-tells us that it first led the wise men to Jerusalem and then disappeared without anyone else seeing it. Then as the wise men departed for Bethlehem it reappears and leads them to the manger. (Verses 9,10). No one in Jerusalem seen the star reappear over Bethlehem when the wise men left or Herod would have followed it for himself and found Christ. Angels can appear, dissappear and then reappear, fixed stars and planets cannot, nor do they hover low directly over a city and then over a manger. Makes one pause and muse the reasoning of a star or an angel being interchangeable on the top of a Christmas tree now does it not? l posted Chapter 6 of the Desire of Ages, hoping to share this Christmas season the most wonderfully vivid description of the life of Christ bar none. I meant Not to cause pain nor grief 😔.

[@mostgreatfull]

@@stargazerastro The *Star* in Matthew 2:2 is used *figuratively.* The Star was *a company of brightly shining Angels.* ¹ Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, ² Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his *star[792]* in the east, and are come to worship him. *-Matthew 2:1, 2* Word: asterh Pronounce: as-tare' Strongs Number: *G792* Orig: probably from the base of 4766; a star (as strown over the sky), *literally or figuratively:* --star. G4766 Use: TDNT-1:503,86 Noun Masculine Heb Strong: H3556 *H6635* 1) a star Word: @AV Pronounce: tsaw-baw' Strong: *H6635* Orig: or (feminine) tsbadah \i tseb-aw-aw'\i0\plain\f3\fs21\cf23 ; from 6633; *a mass of persons (or figuratively, things),* especially reg. organized for war (an army); by implication, *a campaign,* *literally or figuratively* (specifically, hardship, worship):--appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, *company, host,* service, soldiers, waiting upon, war(-fare). H6633 Use: TWOT-1865a,1865b Noun Masculine Grk Strong: G39 G706 G792 G798 G979 G1411 G1484 G2889 G3009 G3163 G4128 G4171 G4752 G4756 G4519 1) that which goes forth, army, war, warfare, *host* 1a) *army, host* 1a1) host (of organised army) 1a2) *host (of angels)* 1a3) of sun, moon, and stars 1a4) of whole creation 1b) war, warfare, service, go out to war 1c) service

[@moorek1967]

The Talmud actually mentions the name of Mary's father, it was Heli. He might have been Joachim Heli, but the Sanhedrin talked about it.

[@smc3735]

They were said by the Ancient Catholic Church Fathers to be the same person. The name Joachim or Jehoakim finds root in the Name of God ie "Jehovah" and so does the Hebrew name of "Eliacim which is ALSO rooted in God's other Name "Elochim" Many variations of both names exist Eliachim can be abbreviated to' either Eli, or Heli.

[@Bolanboogie10]

Why can't Christmas be in July when the shops aren't as crowded.

[@stargazerastro]

Guess they would probably be crowded in July then… 😅

[@cdrompfw]

At 9:00 you say the Sun and Moon only serve to divide the day from the night. You need to reread Genesis 1:14 14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. The word seasons refers to appointed times.

[@Palenque_pupikaka]

13:56 remember the total solar eclipse of the year 2019 after which a pandemic started, eclipses always bring good or bad things with them always its an ancient wisdom

[@stargazerastro]

However, there was and is countless evil in the world every day that is not announced by celestial events. If one dog bites out of a thousand, dogs are not all vicious beasts...

[@Palenque_pupikaka]

@@stargazerastro eclipses are so good i love them! Happy ?

[@ezzovonachalm9815]

The 2019 pipandemy woos arranged by Oa contemporary timocratic god named Phfi Zer.

[@Budget2decorate]

I see a lot of comments saying Dec 25 is not the birthday of Christ. I just want to share another view on that subject. Years ago I came across this video which gives quite abit of information on the subject I feel it is worth watching in its entirety. Heres the link. . .kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnq8hJdoqMaspqc ..

[@stargazerastro]

A central method of historical science is the analysis and interpretation of sources. But not every source stands up to critical scrutiny. There are always reasons why theories, regardless of the fact that they are disseminated on the internet, have no meaning in historical science. Moreover, most scholars do not discuss whether Jesus was born in December - but whether he was really born on December 25, a day that had already been important in many cultures, including pagan ones, long before Jesus' birth.

[@leejustinm]

Herods knows where to send the The 3 Magi to follow the star to Bethelehem ? not in any other towns in Judea ? the alignment of Jupiter, Saturn and Venus combine to look like the Star of Bethlehem viewed from the east of Jerusalem by the 3 Magi or a supernova explosion phenomenon

[@lanabowers5332]

Jesus was born on Sunday, March 1, 7BC. He was born in the latter reign of Herod the Great. Herod died in 4 BC. Jesus should have been born in the royal month of September. He was given the 15th of September to be his official birthday, and to be in line for Messianic requirement. The 'Star of Bethlehem' was not an astronomical or cosmological event. Joseph (Jesus' father) formed an alliance with Theudas, the head of the Therapeutes. The 2 in warrior mode gave themselves titles taken from an OT verse. Joseph was the 'Star' (of David) & Theudas was the 'Scepter'. The West Manasseh Magi were a priestly caste of Samaritan philosophers founded in 44BC by Menahem and later led by Simon Zelotes. The Magians were Joseph's political associates. When they 'followed the star' they were agreeing with Joseph that a new Davidic king (Jesus) had been born. Because they recognized him as king, they were accepting him as legitimate.

[@ronaldronca6060]

The date of Jesus's birth is an absolute unknown, neither the day, month nor year has been chronicled. Throughout early Christian history the birth has been celebrated on many different dates. The 25th of December was settled on only because the date was the celebrated birth of a popular Roman god and for convenience both non Christian and Christian Roman's celebrated the same day. I do believe Jesus was a uniquely gifted man. I do not believe in the existence of any God. My point is as interesting this idea, it is a mute point. Nothing unusual could have occurred on a date that is not even known.

[@stargazerastro]

Thank you for your comment.

[@cw4608]

6:54 You state none of the gospel writers were contemporary witnesses. Did you mean to Jesus’s birth, or to His life? Matthew and John did know Jesus.

[@stargazerastro]

It is controversial in research whether the evangelists Matthew and John are really identical with the apostles of the same name. Church tradition says they are, but many scholars say they weren’t- but different persons.

[@brianbannon6746]

John 6:47; Romans 4:5

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

Paul's letters were within 10 years of events.

[@djoneforever]

Some say that its a spaceship

[@hermione9445]

It obviously was an Alien Craft ..

[@stargazerastro]

@@hermione9445 Sorry but about the subject of extraterrestrials and UFOs is absolutely nothing obvious. I know that some book authors, TV programs and other media, who earn lots of money with that, want to convey the idea that we are being overrun by extraterrestrials - but that is wishful thinking. Aliens have become a substitute religion for many people. I have been involved in astronomy since my childhood and have been observing the sky for decades. Sometimes on 50-60 nights a year. I have never seen anything up there that I could not explain. Others go out of the house, see spaceships and even claim to have been abducted by them. I must be doing something wrong....

[@hermione9445]

@@stargazerastro Read your Bible ..and the book of Enoch ..its all there .. I don't know about UFO s flying around everywhere ..but they are certainly in the Bible .

For personal use 29:07-31:15 23:24-24:29

[@sharonrothberg8350]

God is the creator of all creation. Praise the Lord

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

And they are for seasons and signs, is what the bible actually says about the purpose of stars.

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

The gospels WERE NOT written " long after" those events.

[@d.e.hewlett148]

The STAR was an Angel

[@grickels874]

That was a very detailed response- however, the mere referencing of sources and what they have written does not make it so. As in all things, consider the source and take most with a grain of salt. It is one thing to reference a source- it is another to research the source thoroughly to see if they truly are worth referencing. Much of modern academia is atheistic or at best, agnostic, and there is a tremendous bias to disprove and eviscerate anything of faith. What you quote should not sway anyone- you are only quoting opinions. There are scholars who have done the deep dives into what is out there and can refute each point. Not being aggressive, just pointing out that what you put on your video , at least at the time stamps noted, is not fact, it is conjecture,something from an agenda or opinions.

[@stargazerastro]

I think I use phrases like "historians assume" or "according to some/other authors" very often in my videos. To hold these opinions that others do not share is an essential part of civilized discussion culture, in which freedom of opinion and speech are also essential elements. Let me remind you that it was you who immediately dismissed the contents of my videos as false and devoid of content. I have attached my sources here. Anyone who fundamentally doubts sources or the motives of their authors (bias etc.) should be aware that he is fighting with a double-edged sword. Because exactly the same objections could be reproached against the alternative sources and their Autors. Thus, you can question the reliability of any source - but any source, including yours - when you want to. So statements stand against statements. A good basis for a debate, I would say.

[@tkunair9123]

Will you please make a documentary on Mohammad Nabi with historical facts.

[@stargazerastro]

sorry I don`t know about Mohammad Nabi.

[@tkunair9123]

@@stargazerastro Mohammad Nabi, the prophet of Islam..

[@stargazerastro]

@@tkunair9123 I understand, but I'm not an expert on him...that's what I meant.

[@haridathcu9999]

34:00 There is only one God. As more than one God means that the authority of each would be contradicted by the next such that none of them would truly be God. The issue for Constantine would have been is the God powerful i.e would praying to this God( this name and figure) give results. Obviously the Christian God was personally spoke to him and this ment that Christianity was legitimate. Romans must've been really superstitious and if they so a miracle them that's enough reason for them to make up their mind. The old gods sometimes become 'demonic' after they loose their popularity ( I'm not sure why but this is what I heard)

[@stargazerastro]

The worship of many gods was common practice among the Romans for centuries. In later centuries, Christian authors greatly distorted the biography of Constantine. He has been stylized as the first converted purely Christian emperor of Rome, which historians believe to be false. The famous vision of the Cross of Light, about which I've told here, for most historians is a legend. For strangely enough, on the original reliefs of Constantine's Arch, some of which show battle scenes, not a single Roman soldier's shield can be seen bearing the monogram of Christ. And the applications showing the monogram were probably applied later. And in the end it was Emperor Theodosius I. who elevated Christianity to the state religion, not Constantine. So he can't have been the driving force....

[@mauricewilliams1110]

that isn't true the original gospels were written 20-40 years after his death and the original story were written by people who witnessed these events.

[@stargazerastro]

Thank you for your comment. This is controversial. Since antiquity there is the thesis of a primal gospel, which is supposed to have been written even shortly after the death of Jesus. It is possible that this could even be the so-called Q-source, but it has not yet been discovered. In theological research, however, hardly anyone supports the dating of a gospel to the time before 50 or 60 AD.

[@tonytackett2885]

I never thought about the fact that forgery was practiced long before Christ's birth and there after . If the bible was a forgery , Why not include Christ's own hand written letter ? In fact , Christ's own writing in the sand isn't even described as lettering or pictorial ?

[@stargazerastro]

I would not go so far as to say that the Bible is a forgery. For that, it would have to be a unified entity - which it is not. The Bible is a compilation of numerous texts written by different people at different times. Many of the texts are independent and have no relation to other parts of the Bible. Each of them uses different sources. In addition, the contents of the Bible were originally passed on only verbally - this also applies to the New Testament. With every writing, every translation - from Hebrew into Greek, from Greek into Latin, from Latin into our language - changes were made, details were rephrased, added or omitted. The Bible as we know it today is a 90% man-made work.

[@percival1137]

There is more than just the 4 Gospels concerning Jesus. There is the treasure of the Nag Hammadi. Surprised to hear y'all say so. Now I wonder if you are a demon sent to lead people astray. After all, the star is really not important, as it relays none of Jesus' message. Ready for his return though.

[@stargazerastro]

I would prefer to see factual arguments put forward here. Little objectivity is reflected in calling me a demon...

[@janebeman6259]

I'd much rather read this than watch it.

[@Psalm1101]

The kepler calendar of the planets and stars show conjuctings in lion and virgo then again in june same bingo

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

Actual truth.

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

Not symbolic. Not metaphorical. Not a myth.

[@kiflaadane5738]

The 3 man waz Ethiopian 🇪🇹🦁🦁🦁🦁

[@seekrighteousness297]

She is a liar it has been proven there are more scriptural and secular ancient writers from the time of Jesus than any other person in antiquity if you don't believe the writings on Jesus then you cannot believe anything about any other Roman ruler this is a false teaching and I want a list of these so called scholars she keeps bringing up cause I can not find them

[@stargazerastro]

I give here the current state of the research, independently of whether it fits Christian biased people into their world view. To call me a liar because of this is inappropriate. Everyone is allowed to express their opinion, but please remain respectful. By the way, I would like to ask you to give me your sources, because they are obviously unknown in historical research, otherwise there will be plenty of books and scientific reviews about it. On the other hand you can find my own sources under numerous scientific papers and if you do your own research under every Wikipedia entry on this topic. By the way, historical research by far doesn't believe everything that Roman writers wrote about Roman emperors. It is common knowledge that many of them were slandered for political reasons and thus the today's extremely negativ image of emperors like Nero or Caligula was shaped, while other tyrants - like Tiberius or Augustus - are considered "good emperors" today, although they had more than enough blood on their hands. But nothing else was done by the so-called church fathers, the Christian authors of late antiquity, like Tertullian. Wherever it didn't fit, they made sure it did. For example, they made sure to erase any connection of Christmas with paganism and therefore invented such explanations for the Christmas date of December 25 that deny any commonality with pagan Roman traditions. And as for the Magi: they turned pagan astrologers or priests, which they considered sorcerers, magicians or soothsayers, into three pious kings. Because they were more acceptable than these impious pagans. So much for the liars...

[@sionehefa3458]

Very selective and provocative choice of Holy Bible texts. Misleading and misdirection statements. Best to have just focused on Astronomical events without the speculative commentaries claiming to be fact. Stay well and blessed.

[@stargazerastro]

Provocative? Well, obviously people always feel provoked by every skeptical interpretation, although - knowing well that this is the case and many would react negatively - I have even held back with being provocative… Especially as there are also researchers who say that nothing, absolutely nothing written in the Bible ever happened. I am not of this opinion.

[@NancySwass-jv4kp]

Omg. The star?

[@8698gil]

The idea of there being a "star" put there specifically by god for people to follow is ridiculous. We know what stars are and how they form. They do not magically appear in the sky.

[@stargazerastro]

Thanks for the comment. Few people think that it was a star in the astronomical sense. Basically, at best, it was discussed whether it could have been a nova or supernova. Or even a comet, or a planetary conjunction. Possibly it was nothing of all this, if one assumes that the whole narration is just a pious fiction.

[@8698gil]

@@stargazerastro The point I was trying to make was not whether there was something in the sky that night, but that it was "put" there for the specific purpose of guiding these "wise men".

[@stargazerastro]

@@8698gil Of course, anyway people 2000 or 3000 years ago may saw it differently - and some still do. Everything that happened in the sky had a meaning, an equivalent on earth. Thousands of cuneiform tablets of the Sumerians and Babylonians testify that astrologers of that time tried to read destiny from the stars and to predict events. That is why the explanation of the star being an astrological interpretation of a planetary alignment is so popular. Of course, the Babylonian priests were almost always wrong. Because what is often concealed: Often their reports to the king contain the admission of failure...

[@8698gil]

@@stargazerastro Sort of like people of today who believe in astrology.

[@stargazerastro]

@@8698gil That’s right, whereby the astrologers of that time could make excellent calculations and they have advanced also the scientific astronomy. I do not believe in astrology - but the common roots of astrology and astronomy must not be denied. However, what is sold today as "astrology" is only silly charlatanry and an insult to the mind. I don't call the people who practice it "astroliars" for nothing.

[@josalynrathbun602]

But aliens are not fantasy

[@je333ful]

Ehem, MARCH 2, 5 BCE was/is/will always be JESUS birthday. Full stop.