Most Christians Don’t Know THIS About the Christmas Star

Most Christians don’t know THIS about the Christmas star. In this presentation, Dr. Danny Faulkner helps us get a better understanding of what the Christmas star is and debunks some common misconceptions about it.
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[@srice6231]

It seems hard to imagine Mary having to walk close to 100 miles while 9 months pregnant but my great grandmother walked from Idaho to Portland, Oregon, over 500 miles, while pregnant with twins. Women used to be much tougher than me!

[@anginelieber6245]

They were accustom to walking and working through their life. Likely why Jesus was born on The Way.

[@dracula3811]

My wife worked at her physically demanding job up until a few days before she gave birth.

[@bobbyallen7977]

More than likely they traveled with many freinds and kinfolk and not by themselves so its possible that she could ha e ridden a donkey or even in a wagon

[@terrypeterson9491]

Also Jesus walked almost everywhere he went. Except sometimes boat's ,and one time a donkey. He walked miles.

[@anginelieber6245]

@@terrypeterson9491 yes. The donkey was also to fulfill the prophecy from Zach 9:9 Rejoice greatly, daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; He is righteous and endowed with salvation, Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey. EVEN ON A COLT, THE FOAL

[@SmutchyBritches]

The song doesn't say Orientar. It says Orient are. The Orient is a term for the East in relation to Europe, traditionally comprising anything belonging to the Eastern world. It is the antonym of the term Occident, which refers to the Western world.

[@whyareyouasking7153]

Hehe I caught that too. 😆

[@tekulve2968]

Thank you, for awhile there I was feeling like a dummy for thinking it was "Orient are" for all these years. Reminds me of a friend of my mother who thought "let freedom ring" in My Country, Tis of Thee was "levry dumry". In her mind it was some Latin phrase like E Pluribus Unum or something. She wasn't old and hard of hearing or anything, she had just got that in her head as a child and didn't realize until she saw the lyrics on the sheet music my mother had.

[@jay144k]

He was making a joke.

[@psalm1197]

He was being funny

[@kelaarin]

Just for fun, let’s add in the old words for Septentrion (North) and Meridian (South).

[@MoiJoe-iw8pb]

Let us remember this is God and nothing is impossible for Him

[@razark9]

Except for providing evidence of his existence or anything he supposedly did in the bible.

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

@@razark9 What's your explanation of the universe and life? God is the most sensible explanation, and demanding "evidence" is a ruse

[@nekosila]

Nothing is impossible for the God yes, as he is the most high. But Jesus on the other hand, the firstborn of all creation admits his limits (John 5:30 - I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me) He couldn't place himself into Mary's womb or perform miracles on his own. Most definitely couldn't resurrect himself.

[@razark9]

@@indigatorveritatis8891 God isn't really an explanation for anything. Throughout history god(s) has been used as a placeholder conclusion for things we were unable to explain, but EVERY SINGLE TIME we looked into the phenomenon in question it turned out to be a lot more complex, completely natural and not needing a god to explain.

[@leftgrrl]

Why is that specific god the better explanation than any of the others? There are so many to choose from and many of them much less contrary and self-contradicting. @@indigatorveritatis8891

[@mikebrown9850]

I recovered from mainstream Babylonian Mystery Religion dogma years ago when I began actually studying the Bible for myself rather than just believing unbiblical traditions. I’ve found that it is not easy to unlearn erroneous beliefs from childhood, but well worth the effort.

[@marcia2095]

It is also hard not to focus on what is Not important and learn to get to know Jesus instead.

[@michaelseay9783]

You’re right. Those erroneous childhood beliefs were taught to us intentionally by the church. Futurism is straight from the Synagogue Of Satan.

[@mikebrown9850]

@@marcia2095 That is a classic Babylonian Mystery Religion response, always focusing on the messenger (albeit a false one) and not His message.

[@jamesdewane1642]

The virgin birth is the birth of Christ in you, through you, as you imho. I don't believe it's correct to say that there is no birth of Christ in the Gospel of Mark. Mark 13 has the line: this is the beginning of the birth pangs. Then there follows a description of spiritual purification leading to an experience of seeing "the son of man coming with power." My dearest hope is that Christians come to understand the gospels as timeless books of spiritual instruction rather than as histories. I know that many already do, and I know many who are the most wonderful people! Merry Christmas!

[@ericglick4117]

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[@mearly3680]

I appreciate the conclusion: We can accept it as a miracle, a supernatural event, like we do the other circumstances of Jesus' birth. Thanks for the insights.

[@kimsopar6976]

I like your thorough analysis of this and, as always, pointing us back to scripture. I would comment that it isn't "We Three Kings of Orientar" but "We Three Kings of Orient Are"- the Orient being the East from Europe/Middle East and it being a poetic, old English way to say we are three kings from the orient (even though they probably weren't kings).

[@statutesofthelord]

This man uses the word "probably" about 10 times in the first 4 minutes. Do you think he did a good job wasting everyone's time with his private suppositions and conjectures?

[@juditheamador2491]

Thank you for the truth

[@oneman2dj]

@@statutesofthelord Actually he had a huge amount of truth within his presentation using Scripture with history, even the comment that He [Messiah] was "probably not born December 25." Most who are into "truth of scripture" would say He definitely was NOT born December 25. I also use the word "probably" when speaking to those celebrating this time of year more often than not to encourage folks to do their own research and not to appear a "know-it-all." Besides, the actual topic--the Star--there's no proof that I could find so it is all "probable."

[@corinnebrosseau6896]

Totally man's head knowledge....no revelation knowledge. Larson showed the revelation of truth...King, King, King, Is the pointe. True not everyone is 100% correct. Because of being in the natural mind. ( He needs to slow down a little.) Lots of facts stated we already know. we go by scripture not christmas cards. Psalm 19 The Heavens declare the Glory of God. God mapped out the story of His gospel in asronomy w/the Constellations.....it was to reveal himself to humanity. The enemy twisted it to astrology where it tells you about you. ..Instead of God. As far as the star went ahead...is like you saying I will go ahead of you to this city and you follow and I will see you there. That could have been when Jupiter was in retrograde...they didn't see it for a little while then it appeared again. The fact that the Lord used his planets to proclaim the Glory of His son, the King of Kings three times in this process, i.e. King, King, King, as Larson pointed out, which the magi would have been aware that something significant was happening, of which they had never before seen. The point of Christmas cards is irrelevant. The idea was a King was coming...God showed 3 wise men... who knew so strongly they brought the most precious gifts they could. He was born, announced by the angel and the Host of Heaven sang Glory in the highest, it upset the Evil King enough to kill all the baby two year old boys in fear of loosing his crown. It happened just as the scripture records. For unto us is born this day, in the City of David, Savior, who is Christ the Lord. He split time..B.C. and A.D. before Christ and after his death. I uly believe this Star was a Heavenly event to proclaim and announce the coming King. It wont be repeated. He will come now as the Lion of Judah, in power and glory,..the King of Kings (us). See Rev. 17.14; 19.11-16 Blessings

[@kimrowan2344]

Exactly what I was going to say!! Meaning they came from the east. Lol

[@learnenglishwithauntyjeanp1646]

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum of Ariel Ministries explained , and I quote from his essay, The Visit of the Magi, that this 'star' appears and disappears. It moves from East to West, also from North to South. This star hovers over one single house in Bethlehem., pointing out the exact location of the Messiah. It is very evident that this cannot be a literal star, as we know that any such star hovering over a single house would destroy the whole planet. The Greek word for 'star' simply means ' radiance' or ' brilliance'. With this star coming in the form of a light, we have the appearance of the Shekinah Glory.-the visible manifestation of God's presence. Whenever God became visible in the Old Testament , such a manifestation was referred to as the Shekinah Glory. This eexplanation makes more sense to me, especially as Dr Fruchtenbaum was Jewish.

[@johngraves9237]

Correct! It was not a star!

[@jannaswanson271]

We do not live on a planet. The Bible tells us we live under a firmament with waters above. The Bible tells us the Earth has a foundation, pillars, that the Earth does not move. Heliocentrism is a lie of man, it is sun god worship. That is why the "planets" are named after pagan gods.

[@dawnmazzarella7375]

I agree, God The Father would show up at the birth of His son

[@jannaswanson271]

According to the scripture we do not live on a planet. Heliocentrism is a lie of Satan.

[@prechagirl]

the speaker here says it wasn't seen outside the region, but in chinese history a star that was not an ordinary one is recorded around 6BC from memory. It is as you say from Arnold more likely to be a supernatural phenomena rather than a natural one and the Shekinah glory would fit perfectly.

[@BetsyOWest]

PS Also everyone I know understands that the creche (the manger scene) is put together from the many parts of the scripture. We also know that St. Francis was the first one to set up a creche on Christmas Eve one year as a way of remembering that story. In those days most people were not literate and the images from scripture, including objects like the creche contained all the story elements not to suggest they all happened at once, but as things to point to for the viewer to recall and remember each point from the Gospel story. It helps to know church history.

[@mrbamfo5000]

Or that they happened at all.

[@rickswartzentruber3616]

Nibiru

[@catherinejohnson1026]

EXCELLENT! My thoughts exactly!!! Thanks for explaining this.

[@timb5434]

Oh that Constantine combined his god, Mithra the Sun god, with Paganism called Christmas. Funny that the Winter Solstice is when Christmas is. 🤔 hmm

[@philliprobinson7724]

@@timb5434 Hi Timb. Constantine's problem was maintaining supply of food and other services in the world's first city to have over one million people. Having many religions in Rome meant every day was a sabbath for one faction or another, and made logistical supply a difficult task, so he standardized the sabbath to one day for every religion. It's hard to see what else he could have done, and I'm sure God has judged him much less harshly than Rome's legalistic critics do today. Cheers of the season. P.R.

[@PG-qt7ez]

Actually…. In the desert, dark is best to travel… if they saw the star, they traveled by moonlight and constellation. Generally, weather calms down in the desert after dusk. So it is a perfect time to travel.

[@MillSiteStudio]

Yes and not hot at night either

[@dannymack9636]

Makes sense

[@barrywaterman6081]

This video is 41m long and you get soo close to answering the question ‘What was the Christmas Star?’ When the answer is plain to see in Luke 2:9 ‘An angel of the Lord shone around them,’. Many times in scripture Angels appear as very bright lights. This same light 1000ft in the air will look like a star. It is the best explanation for leading people, seeming to move it stay still and turning on and off.

[@DamonNomad82]

I actually bought a telescope specifically to view the 2020 conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. It was very amazing being able to see them both in the telescope at the same time!

[@rotolactor]

Real, observable things are amazing, yes.

[@a.t.6322]

@@rotolactor and so are the things we can’t always observe with our eyes

[@returnofthekingjesuschrist4470]

The Bethlehem Star is Venus and Jupiter (2015).

[@FoolishPrince]

Nice to witness Zues outshining Cronus

[@wingopoe7]

Dr. Danny Faulkner.. I liked to hear your thoughts on this “Since John the Baptist was born on Passover, the 15th day of Nisan (the 1st Jewish month), Jesus would have been born six months later on the 15th day of Tishri (the 7th Jewish month). The 15th day of the 7th month begins the Feast of Tabernacles (Lev. 23:34-35), also known as Sukkot. Jesus was born on the 1st day of the Feast of Tabernacles! In the year 5 BCE, this fell in the month of September.” “It is probable, because of the circumstances shown in Luke 1, that Mary conceived during the last two weeks of Elizabeth’s sixth month. Thus, John was born in the spring of 4 BC, probably between March 18 and 31. By projecting forward another six months to Jesus’ birth, the most probable time for His birth occurred between September 16 and 29.” " Gabriel is still speaking to Mary, and notice that Elisabeth is the cousin of Mary. This is important to note that part of blood line is to the Levites, as Zacharias and Elisabeth were both of the lineage of Aaron. Mary had asked Gabriel how it would be possible for her to bear this child, and he is reminding her that Elisabeth is in the sixth months of Pregnancy with her child. Elisabeth was well known to be very old and far beyond child bearing years. This time of Mary's >>>conception

[@fabbrofamily7038]

thank you so very much !!!! i'm printing your excellent explanation and will study!!!! blessings✨☝🏼🙏🏼🕊👑✝️

[@abaker4692]

Good comment!

[@crystalbrown9858]

Youre exactly right. Born in September and wisemen were guided my Bethlaham star.

[@popfoot7965]

At last - this is correct and shows just how corrupted the world is when even Bible believing Christians still participate in a pagan festival and a lie. Thank you so much for this.

[@petercornish9903]

4BC is after 5BC not before it. I think you mean John was also born in 5BC, or do you mean that they were both born in 4BC?

[@dougiefresh195]

God is amazing!

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Matthew 2:9,10 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

[@--..-...-..-.--....]

Uh.... yeah. Sure...🙄

[@kevinkelly2162]

Funny how Matthew only heard about this when he got around to writing his gospel. I mean a strange star is something people would talk about. Must be another one of those miracles that nobody noticed until christianity came along and pointed it out to them.

[@darroniverson]

​@kevinkelly2162 most people are not bright enough to notice anything, even though they stare directly at it.

[@anginelieber6245]

@@kevinkelly2162 I think it goes to show how few were paying attention to the signs. Only Zacarius and Anna in the temple had been watching and waiting. And the Magi. Obviously upon the appearance to the shepherds they would have told their families. It is said that at Jesus second coming there will also be few who are watching and waiting and prepared for the Harpazo, as He told us to watch for the signs of the times.

[@anginelieber6245]

@@darroniverson yes as with the second coming of Christ we are told it will be JUST like in the days of Noah. For 120 years Noah followed Gods instruction to build the Ark, though it had never before rained. The earth was watered by a mist so no one believed him or paid attention to his warning but only mocked. Can you imagine preaching for 120 years and having not one convert. They were too busy with their lives, eating and drinking and marrying right up until the rain began, and it was God who shut the door. Not Noah. Like the way God says He will again shut the door to the opportunity to be at the wedding feast of the Lamb. 5 virgins had their lamps full of oil and 5 were not prepared then the door was closed when they went to buy oil. When a train arrives you might have waited a long time for it but once it comes you get on and it takes off very quickly. Jesus is said to be taking a long time to come back and though all around the signs show it’s not much longer people tire of waiting and occupy themselves with other things and forget to watch.

[@jeffnorred65]

If you're going to talk about miraculous possibilities, consider this one. What if the Christmas star was a window in heaven so the saints that have passed on could see their Savior? I don't know how the light came to be. However, that's my favorite possibility to think about.

[@clare1053]

This is a lovely idea, but Jesus came to open the gates of heaven, which had been closed since Adam and Eve. All the good holy people who had died were in a place of rest, awaiting the Messiah to do this. That is also why what he said to the repentant theif on the cross is significant, that today he would be in Paradise

[@jeffnorred65]

@@clare1053 You are right about heaven. Maybe I should have used a more correct word like Sheol.

[@rebeccawalkup5683]

Excellent thought!

[@owengraham2276]

​@@jeffnorred65when Jeshua descended to hell he actually went to sheol to give the souls there the opportunity to accept his gift of salvation and enter into heaven. Praise G*d.

[@EngineerLewis]

I sometimes pray for an open heaven in the same way that you imagine.

[@matts1364]

It was something to be seen at night and daytime. Shekinha Glory. It had to hover within the atmosphere otherwise the earths rotation would have taken the travelers far off course. This “star” was supernatural and disappeared after.

[@johngraves9237]

@matts1364. YES! It was not a star, can you figure out what it was?

[@jannaswanson271]

The Earth does not rotate. The Bible tells us it has a foundation and pillars, that it does not move. Read the creation account. How does that match up with what man teaches? Heliocentrism is a myth of men. Believe Yah, not men.

[@moalongkumer]

I'm sure it was the angel of the Lord. Pls see Luke 2:8-20. God bless!

[@johngraves9237]

@@moalongkumer Correct!

[@robertseavor4304]

At the time I saw a documentary 20 or so years ago there were still very old houses in Bethlehem built in traditional style, with a stable and storage on the ground floor and family accommodation on the upper floors.

[@AntoinettePalermo-xs6it]

And speaking of “Column’s” ……. Remember those Antebellum houses you stole from My ancestors? I remember.

[@scented-leafpelargonium3366]

@robertseavor4304 : Only inhabited by Arabs and no more Jews. They wouldn't let Jesus be born there today as a Jew. How times have changed... Islam is the Ruler now. 🙃

[@lloydmunga4961]

So are you saying modern houses in the area have the stable on the second floor then ?

[@robertseavor4304]

@@lloydmunga4961 Elon Musk to you.

[@ketle369]

It was very common to build the barn and the house as one building. Two main reasons being to spare materials, and also animals give of heat. Heating was a major problem until for only 150 years ago. People had open fires and you also burn through a lot of wood. Wood was hard to get because it’s very labor intensive.

[@-dirk-65]

No astronomer or astrologist here, but I hear God is the SAME as He was back in earlier days & I ask myself: how did God move people through the desert before? A pillar & a cloud, apparently moving fire & smoke? Moving & hanging out over a specific spot could be handy since Bethlehem is small & the east is far. Redhead science.

[@gregattanasio3185]

May We who know these TEUTHS, be BOLD and in Humility share THE GOOD NEWS OF OUR RISEN KING...

[@EarlJohn61]

What is a " *TEUTHS* " and why must it be capitalized? ... Or does your shift key stick?

[@benbrannon9907]

​@@EarlJohn61TRUTH HE HAS FAT FINGERS, HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

[@benbrannon9907]

Exactly because this guy knows nothing as this sermon proves!!!

[@veronicamay4685]

Oh c’mon! ‘ ‘We three kings of Orient are, bearing gifts we traverse afar, field and fountain, moor and mountain, following yonder Star.’ It’s Christmas Carol poetry!! 😂

[@anginelieber6245]

😂 thought the same!!

[@annev5912]

I am hoping he was trying to be funny???

[@anginelieber6245]

@@annev5912 or obnoxious.

[@littlefreedom3507]

Another question then based on thise song lyrics... were the Magi from Persia or were they Oriental?

[@rockymarquiss8327]

He was being funny - evidently he has a dry sense of humor... :)

[@alfomo6670]

Thanks for this video! It's interesting to hear about these misconceptions. In Sweden it's common for the man of the house to read Luke 2:1-20 on Christmas Eve (we call it "Julevangeliet"), even in more secular homes. Almost all school classes also went to church on the last day before the winter break and listened to the priest. It's been a while for me but I don't think it's as common now. Merry Christmas everyone!

[@eigenvalue5775]

I believe in Jesus Christ/Yeshua Ha'Mashiach, Only Begotten Son Of God, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, my Lord and Savior. However, I do not believe that Christ Jesus was born in the winter time; let alone December 25. That being said, cherish your family and enjoy your time with them.

[@alfomo6670]

@@eigenvalue5775 same to you! I'd like to think my English is fairly good but I hope it wasn't misconstrued

[@eigenvalue5775]

@@alfomo6670 Nothing misconstrued. You do have a fairly good grasp of English.

[@statutesofthelord]

This is a pointless video. Why is he wasting everyone's time with his private suppositions and conjectures?

[@alfomo6670]

@@statutesofthelord Maybe. It's as good as anything to have in the headphones while decorating the house 🎅🏻 Merry Christmas!

[@CrapE_DM]

I really hope the Orientar thing was a joke, cuz the line is "We 3 kings from Orient are." Which just means they're from the east

[@222triple]

The manger was most likely in a cave in Bethlehem where they raised sheep for the temple sacrifices. They used swaddling cloth to wrap the lambs to keep them from getting hurt from the cave walls. I was in one that was said to be typical of what was used almost five years ago. I had never considered the fact a cave could have been the place of birth. But everything fits…

[@kathyr1516]

Yes, Migdal Edar or Tower of the Flock. 🐑

[@rickhuntling7338]

JESUS was more then likely born in the lower room of Rebecca and Zacharia home. The swaddling cloth were his priestly garments for our soon to be High Priest in the manger. It was the Feast of Pentecost the day JESUS born so the upper portion of Zacharias was full of people offering no privacy for a mother in labor.

[@Lazydaisy646]

​@@rickhuntling7338this is what I think is most likely

[@V67Snick]

@@kathyr1516 And that's how the shepherds knew where to find him…

[@kathyr1516]

@@V67Snick Yes. ❤️ The late Dr Jimmy deYoung had some very good teaching on this. The Shepherds Fields in Bethlehem were where the sacrificial lambs were birthed and wrapped in swaddling cloths. ✝️

[@vernonkuhns3561]

Orientar? I hope you were joking, but, here are the lyrics for those who don't know. We three kings of Orient are bearing gifts we traverse afar... So they are from the Orient according to the song.

[@jonidapra4379]

That’s what I was thinking😂

[@JarrydTIme]

Lol I just commented this. I thought he was joking and he probably is, but he didn't really deliver it like a punchline so I don't know

[@thorpeaaron1110]

​@@jonidapra4379The Orient meant Persia

[@paulm.6437]

@@thorpeaaron1110And the star was a group ofHoly Angels, guiding the believers from the Orient , West, to Bethlehem, where Jesus was born.

[@jonidapra4379]

we were referring to the song- not sure why this comment@@thorpeaaron1110

[@mnp870]

It’s okay to have questions & search for answers but there comes a time for someone to believe in the inerrancy of what scripture teaches. It was written by God almighty. His intellect is so far in advance, beyond our human comprehension & no one will ever, ever, ever, ever outsmart His intelligence. He will give us answers, if we ask. Oh, the wonderful mysteries of God! Amazing!

[@annettecarlson6132]

Yes it was written by inspiration of God, but man for hundreds of years have neen translationing the word into hundreds of different languages trying to make sense out of words that aren't in use any longer. So many passages are not what God originally inspired! It's very important to understand that fact..

[@Seetaapaart4488]

Not all has the deep understanding of the Messiahs parables. He warned us to beware of deceptions under the guise of seductive righteousness…and we will know them by their fruits… There’s nothing new under the sun… but I’m hopeful for iron sharpens iron.

[@carolynnunes3922]

We can use old Christmas carols to share Jesus during the Christmas season. I love sharing “Joy to the World.” 🎼Joy to the world, the Lord has come! Let earth receive her King! 🎶LET EVERY HEART PREPARE HIM ROOM! And heaven and nature sing! And heaven and nature sing! And heaven and heaven and nature sing… Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

[@kathrynschmidt2860]

This carol was written for Christ's second coming. I remind myself of this each time I sing it. Not long now. Come Lord Jesus.

[@matthewgrumbling4993]

Orientar is right next to Boldlygo.

[@elizabethnt]

There is a wonderful novel by Norah Lofts, "How Far to Bethlehem?"(Doubleday 1965) . Melchior, an impoverished, aged astronomer in Korea first "reads a message of tremendous import in the skies". He sells everything he owns and begins his journey to Bethlehem. Along the way he meets Gaspar, a warrior who then accompanies the old astronomer as a protector. Continuing their slow travels, they meet up with Balthazar, a learned linguist who speaks many tongues. This novel is a marvelous retelling of the Christmas story. Fiction that warms the heart and stirs the soul.

[@nickgoldring1446]

You lost me at "in Korea". Sounds pretty lame, you might want to meditate on that.

[@janettedewar6617]

Well Korea is in the East and the bible says "we have seen his star in far off Eastern lands." So that would be interesting. Thanks I might read it.

[@dannymack9636]

Doesn't mean it's TRUE though does it.

[@warnerchandler9826]

​@@dannymack9636Of course not. She said it was a fiction novel, but you did not bother reading, because why? You had to show how smart you are? FAIL.

[@dannymack9636]

@@warnerchandler9826 I just go with what's true everything else is a waste of time and energy if there is no truth in it. I dont get entertained by lies any more,wasted enough time, besides, Jesus will be here soon and so will the anti christ, weather you beleive it or not, it's still going to happen, bible prophecy is leaping of the pages of the bible as I text here. The cashless society is months away, ushering in the mark of the beast. So yes I'm trying stay right with God. Sorry to have bothered you, bye and God bless you.

[@laurencefoster2155]

I would suggest that the wise men went to Nazareth rather than to Bethlehem. When you read Luke's account of the birth that once they had completed all things according to the Law the family returned to Nazareth. Another argument for this is that Joseph's livelihood was there, their home was there too. It also explains why the wise men needed guiding to where the Lord actually was. It also shows the way in which God ensured Herod would not locate Him.

[@didibrant7326]

Yes, the wise men went to a house and Jesus was an almost 2 year old infant, not a babe. Therefore, it was that King Herod had all age 2 and under killed.

[@donnafronl8483]

But what about the fact that an angel told Joseph to go to Egypt.....that's going to take a serious slice of time, especially since they were probably walking. Plus Mary can't trot along after delivering a baby without the possibility of hemorrhaging, even though women were sturdier than now.

[@cristineconnell7803]

​@@donnafronl8483It was about 2 yrs after his birth that they were told to flee to Egypt.

[@lilalabom6393]

Then why kill all the babies only in bethlehem? Possibly they left for egypt after the dedication and after the wisemen came while still a newborn. The king simply asked the wisemen when the star appeared and, perhaps, the king calculated to kill all infants 2 and under based on the wisemen's calculations..

[@didibrant7326]

​@@lilalabom6393Why kill only in Bethlehem? Have you ever noticed how stupid criminals ( evil people ) can be? Herod figured He was born in Bethlehem, therefore His home was in Bethlehem. There are some really good comments on this video you should read. Also remember that all italicized words in the Bible were added by the translators and that the italicized word " child" in Luke should have been " babe" as Jesus was definitely 40 days or a few days older in Luke 2:34 and then the family returned to Nazareth, verse 39, whereas in Matthew the word "child" is not italicized and really means a child ( most probably walking) when the wise men came. Also notice, that when they left Herod, it does not mention they searched or found Him in Bethlehem. That is the gospel of assumption. Fortunately, the star appeared again ( after 2 years ) and led them to the right place.

[@robbie6128]

Joseph’s father,brothers, and uncles were of the house of David and would have to go to Bethlehem. Also Mary was of the house of David, her family would have had to go also. They wouldn’t have gone alone. She did not give birth alone.

[@teresabailey7857]

The star shown very brightly day and night for almost 2 years!

[@teresabailey7857]

Yes, I know! Isn't that amazing, what beauty that must have been.

[@janwheeler87]

Interesting sermon/teaching. I saw a documentary on this about 5 years ago, they said the birth likely took place in natural shallow caves and rock formations which were often used for shelter from foul weather, to keep sheep etc.

[@HomegrownHydra]

The Bible doesn't say where Jesus was born, which means not only is there no clear evidence he was born in a cave or stable or any other unusual place, but the fact that the location isn't mentioned is powerful evidence against any such locations. If he had been born in a cave or stable or anywhere outside such a remarkable thing would surely have been highlighted in Luke's account not only for the novelty but also since it would fit so perfectly with the humble circumstances that are mentioned. So Luke's lack of this info strongly suggests Jesus was born where babies would be expected to be born, which would be a private home (peasant homes often had a space to bring in the animals at night so there would be a manger).

[@krakoosh1]

I believe it was an angelic being. Angels are referred to as lights too

[@anginelieber6245]

And angels were with the shepherds to declare to them. The scriptures show the difference in this account. There is also reference to satan being “as an angel of light”

[@anginelieber6245]

The sum of Thy Word is Truth.

[@rockymarquiss8327]

I totally agree that it would have to be a supernatural phenomenon.

[@JescaML]

Just like Jesus born of a virgin mother

[@stickyrubb]

There's never been any evidence of anything supernatural ever happening. How does that coexist with your view?

[@rockymarquiss8327]

@@stickyrubb what evidence would you be looking for?

[@stickyrubb]

@@rockymarquiss8327 Anything that's measurable, repeatable and falsifiable. Like every other scientific theory requires. I only ever hear anecdotal evidence of someone being healed, or someone experiencing an amazing feeling or seeing something incredible.

[@rickhuntling7338]

There is more glory it being June 15th 2 bc on the Feast of Pentecost with Jupiter in conjuction with Venus. It's solid proof the bible is inerrant and the birth was written in HIS Mazzaroth at creation.

[@Janeiro-jd1wc]

Yes we know about that star and we understand how it guides us , even the clouds would open up around it , quite amazing

[@jog4947]

This is where we apply the golden rule of understanding the bible. Read the Bible literally until something in the passage tells you otherwise. And the movement of the star tells me otherwise. This is not how a typical star behaves. Therefore, it is not a star but a light, a devine light in the sky, that was labelled a star, guiding the Maji. Thanking you.

[@hmry7615]

Expedition Bible does a wonderful explanation of Balaam’s Star Prophecy and Jesus’ birth ❤

[@zerxilk8169]

I am thrilled you are doing information about the nativity.

[@laurietim6285]

Truly the LORD thy GOD guided them through the brightness of his coming. Praise God for his glory and mercy His mighty hand is shown through the ages. Glory to GOD and his mighty words for his love is eternal. Amen

[@joysfullmoon6634]

Good message, I just like to bring to your attention: It's my understanding, in Hebrew, plural is three not two, like in English. The wise men likely were traveling with their own soldiers or small army. The wise men likely learned about the star from the teachings of the prophet Daniel. The prophet Daniel "might" have been a eunuch and a Magi. Daniel worked with Maji and was placed in charge of them.

[@the_corinthians_twelve_teacher]

I've always thought of the "star" being an angel. If the angel was high enough in the sky guiding the Magi, it wound look like a moving star.

[@stephaniedoe2366]

This is really good: just a note- the carol says “we three kings of Orient are” - it’s a way to make it fit a tune - but if we were to say it, we would say we are from the Orient. Only saying this a some may use this to discredit this teach. Thank you- it was very informative

[@EarlJohn61]

More accurate to say "We three Wise men from the Orient, are bearing gifts from so far away." The rhythm, tempo, rhyme, & beat actually conspire to move the comma one word towards the end of the tune. And I could see a 9 year old getting confused by it.

[@johnlacey3857]

The reference to “orientar” was a joke. Just like the chocolate joke.

[@stephaniedoe2366]

@@johnlacey3857 oh I’m so sorry… I’m such a plum! Delivery must’ve been so dry I didn’t get it 🙄 . Only mentioned it as I know how folks like to pull teachings apart . Oh well… I’ll keep quiet next time! Apologies 😔

[@johnlacey3857]

@@stephaniedoe2366 Haha no apology necessary. In fact some ancient texts state that Orientar is the original home of Round John Virgin.

[@jimwinchester339]

I studied this subject a LONG time, and I must tell you that this was uncommonly good. Yes, I read Ernest L. Martin's book, and agree w/ him that recorded regular-period astronomical events (eclipses, positions of planets, etc.) are the best way to align ancient history/calendar w/ modern calendar. I also must say that "his star" that "went before" and "stood" over where the child was is the most difficult passage. Very good job overall.

[@zerosteel0123]

Hey merry Christmas everyone

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

2:48 he was born in a sukkah, that’s why. Not a storage room

[@KennyFisher-io4dm]

Study Micah 4;8/5;2 and God reveals Jesus was born at Migdal Eder, the place where the temple lambs for Passover were laid after they were born! Where else would the Lamb of God be born?(John 1;29,36).

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

@@KennyFisher-io4dm bait lahem

[@LibromaniacChannel]

Interestingly, there is an ancient tradition in which the three stars in the belt of Orion are known as the three magi. In turn, these three stars point to Sirius, the brightest star in the entire night sky. Like all stars, Sirius disappears from the night sky periodically, so I'd be curious to know if its reappearance in the night sky occurred at the time of the birth of Jesus.

[@robertschaffer852]

Watch a movie titled "King of Heaven and Earth" Awesome link from Scripture to astrology.....Very interesting!!!

[@LibromaniacChannel]

@@robertschaffer852 Is the film 'God of Heaven and Earth' the same one?

[@Krullmatic]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say there were just three Magi! Just because it mentions three gifts, that doesn't mean there weren't any more than that.

[@marionchase-kleeves8311]

Has anyone noticed how comets get brighter as they are farther west, closer to the sun at or near sunset? There are so many possibilities, but the fact is it was written in scripture, the "wise men" saw it, followed it, found Jesus, and returned a different way.

[@lightofbabylon7]

3241 yeshuhua, 4580 child

[@ellenaloney881]

The light (star) was an Angel.When we also take into consideration the flames of fire that appeared over the heads of the disciples.The Pillar of light(fire)that guided the Israelites by night.With the Creator anything is possible.❤

[@purrdiggle1470]

Considering the gifts that the Wise Men gave the Christ Child, they would have had the economic means to travel without walking. Furthermore, horses don't do well under desert conditions. That's why camels were used on the east-west trade routes.

[@rockymarquiss8327]

Yeah - I have a manger in my storage shed.... a manger does no good in storage. I think the inference is far far far far more likely.

[@fearmonkey]

I was driving one clear night on 71 north from Cincinnati to Columbus, and was in a straight flat rural area with no curves or bends, corn fields and country and very dark except for minor traffic. In front of me, I noticed two stars in the sky one on the left and right, far apart. Unusual in that they were the same brightness. After short while…Suddenly, a very bright star which wasn’t there moments before appeared, much brighter than the others. The right Star that was there before zoomed straight to the left under the bright one that appeared, and the bright one disappeared. The two stars were much closer together now, but the road started to bend and curve and I lost sight of them. I believe that much of the ufo stuff are our vehicles, and much of the rest the fallen and their creations. However. Some could be of God and good, it’s hard to say. Since then though, I believe what I saw could have been similar to something like what appeared to the magi. I believe UFOs will be part of the great deception.

[@lightofbabylon7]

The watchers some are good some are bad

[@brennan3735]

More likely you were seeing the landing lights of planes on approach to, or departure from, Airborne Express/DHL in Wilmington/Clinton County. Flat wide open corn country, bright "stars" that appear stationary as they move toward you, and stars that move sideways and disappear as they take off, land, and circle the airpark. I can routinely see and hear them from over 30 miles away.

[@fearmonkey]

@@brennan3735 no, i have lived around cvg and other airports. Nothing can move across the sky at that speed, - much faster than a plane - then stop, and stay stationary without fading or getting closer, it just sat there. Plus the star that was big and bright that appeared was no airplane, too high for a tower. I have driven that drive a million times, never saw this again before or after. A friend who lives in KY saw something similar around the same time period.

[@mrbamfo5000]

​@@fearmonkeyWell, it wasn't a star or even worse, an angel.

[@lindaschipansky4429]

I have wondered alot on how much ufos is from Satan and his demons. Satan is very very smart. He knows scripture and turns everything around. Very deceitful

[@mikebosler7516]

Repent and believe the gospel. Everybody needs Jesus. Only Jesus can save lost sinners. Jesus wins and the devil loses be on Jesus's side.

[@LilRavenWolf]

I ran 4-8 miles every day up until the day before I have birth to my son. If your used to it you should be able to continue it throughout all your pregnancy.

[@ryanmcmahon3555]

Also I just figured that the star was an Angel or Angels shining their light to guide the wisemen & they stopped high above the place where Jesus's was born. Not sure why it had to be an actual astronomical body.

[@felinaoreite]

Blessed are those who believe who haven't seen...

[@debbieworth7865]

As a former Jehovah's Witness , they teach the star was put in heaven by the devil as they do not celebrate Christmas. Does God not have more power than the devil to allow him to misuse his creation in such an awful way? So glad to be out of that cult. They will tell you we celebrate his death. Well the answer to that is simple, You Have To Be Born Before You Can Die!!!!!! Our heavenly father would surely record the birth of the savior! That's another point, they don't use phrases like birth of the savior.

[@wandateed3473]

Perhaps what the magi first saw was the skyful of singing angels seen by the shepherds? And later this angel choir, grouped closely together, flew ahead of the magi.

[@statutesofthelord]

Very good thinking.

[@Chris_Sheridan]

Are you stupid or what? The birth of Jesus was only announced to humble shepherds - these shepherds were the only ones who visited Joseph and Mary at the time shortly after Jesus' birth. The manifestation of these spirit creatures and the announcement of Jesus' birth was only made to certain shepherds in a field - not to anyone else. No one else would have seen this. The astrologers were magic-practising priests - they were looking for omens, something that is condemned in the bible - God does not reveal spiritual matters to those who affiliate themselves with the dark arts that are of satanic origin. Satan's intention was to have Jesus killed and after arriving in Jerusalem, the astrologers were sent by Herod to find Jesus so that he could have him killed - God did not lead the astrologers to Jesus - whatever sign was given them to locate the house were Jesus and Mary were staying some 2 years later, was not of divine origin. However, these astrologers were later warned not to return to Herod. In the bible these 'magi' are not viewed in a favourable light. Also, spirit creatures such as angels do not fly to be seen by others as you have suggested - it would be absurd for angels to lead astrologers to Jesus knowing that these 'magi' were on a mission from King Herod who wanted to have Jesus killed. Your thinking is not based on scripture or sound reasoning.

[@Yawnyaman]

Fascinating talk!

[@joejackson6205]

Thank you. I have always believed the 'star' was an Angelic being. The only explanation that fits. But when I offer that idea to others , especially other Christians, they poo poo the idea jumping on the next natural explanation bandwagon.

[@didibrant7326]

You are right. the stars are also known by the term " the hosts of heaven ". Same as the angels.

[@ronniebuchanan6575]

I don't understand why so called Christians try to stick with secular explanations. I would agree a great possibility. I believe God is divine and angels exist.

[@joejackson6205]

My belief comes from childhood traditions. If you look historically most people, Catholic and Protestants always put an angel at the top of the tree, even the movie Its A Wonderful Life had an angel at the top of the tree. In our house, Catholic, the angel decoration was always the most treasured and protected adornment for the tree. I think Christians instinctly knew it was an Angel who guided The Magi to The Christ Child. Stars didnt come to be popular till the late 60s or 70s, with the introduction of the space program and the popularizing of astronomy, and the search for natural explanations of supernatural events in the Bible. Just look at all the people trying to explain away the parting of the Red Sea Yes, The Bible contains alagories and poetic language, but thats just how writers write. The writers were just trying to convey what they saw, or were told by God The Holy Spirit in the easiest to understand wording. They were not trying to hide great secrets of God, they were trying to get Gods Word out.

[@didibrant7326]

@@joejackson6205 Yes, it was about the 60's or 70's and it was disappointing as our angel must have broken and we had a star for awhile but eventually as I started to earn a living, I found my parents an angel. And now, you make me want to check all my photo albums of that time.

[@johngraves9237]

@Joejackson6205 100 percent correct, the "star" was an angel, just as bright as Jesus was at his transfiguration!

[@rhwinner]

I followed Your star and it led me to the heart of Your Church, where I found You. ❤ Amen.

[@Smith-he6bg]

Persians had historical documents of going to worship Jesus. They even had a commissioned artist there to paint the scene. The painting has been lost or stolen. They are proud of this history.

[@jeffdelgren2170]

Very interesting, do you have any sources?

[@kevinkelly2162]

Ron Wyatt probably.@@jeffdelgren2170

[@Smith-he6bg]

@@jeffdelgren2170 Persians I've known over the years told me as well as coming across videos or documentaries that told about it. I'll try to find one.

[@jeffdelgren2170]

I can see this story being plausible, as Zoroastrianism seemed to being indicating a pagan prophecy of Christ. I'm not saying their religion was approved in the Heavenly realm, but whatever Bene Elohim was ruling them seemed to have made a pretty good guess at the meaning of Genesis 3:15 as it seems that zoroastrians were actively waiting for the Messiah

[@patrickgragg5602]

Awesome details sir thank you

[@madematchless]

I always thought the lyric was “We three kings from Orient are.” Not Orientar. But other than that, this is an interesting video! Thanks AIG

[@willire8811]

You are correct! Seemed like a poor oversight

[@crystalclearwindowcleaning3458]

He's making a joke. Tongue in cheek.

[@BryonLape]

And behold, the star that they had seen when it rose went before them until it came to rest over the place where the child was. - Matthew 2:9.

[@Shadoweknows76]

Yes, here in oregon. All stars are fallen angels ✡️

[@anginelieber6245]

@@Shadoweknows76 The stars were created by God. Angels were also created by God. Fallen angels are certainly demons as they chose to follow Lucifer over God. God created all, but not all follow Him. Even mankind have chosen to follow and worship created things over The Creator of all. God has given us the choice, He did not create robots. Choose life, that you might live. All else is sinking ground.

[@dario5261]

@@Shadoweknows76 The stars are the angels

[@travisbicklepopsicle]

​@@dario5261stars are gigantic balls of burning gas. Why would you think they are angels? Just curious.

[@dooglitas]

@@Shadoweknows76 Especially in Portland.

[@gaynorhastie112]

Regarding the 3 wise men, we were always taught they came from the Orient in the East...we 3 Kings of Orient are... So interesting seeing what has been added or left out in teaching Scripture. 🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻

[@MikeWilliams-yp9kl]

Definitely was an angel ,

[@PRAISEYESHUA1111]

Our Heavenly Father Jesus Christ repeatedly told us to NOT worship false idols

[@praiseYAHalways]

John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

[@randylear8264]

@@praiseYAHalwaysyou saved me the time. I wish more people who proclaim Christianity as their faith would read the Bible. And more importantly pray for discernment. Just listening to lost ministers will not give you wisdom but in mixing a little truth with pagan beliefs.

[@connierust9228]

Thanks!

[@christtheonlyhope4578]

God bless you

[@danwolfe7665]

People how do you not get that Orientar was a JOKE!? Come on!

[@gwenketterman2405]

AN ANGEL WITH THE GLORY OF OUR FATHER ON HIM.......I'VE SEEN TWO ANGELS WHEN I WAS 30.......THESE ARE THE END DAYS.... IN JAN...I WILL BE 76....PRAY WITHOUT STOPING..........

[@VG-rj8pn]

Instead of that read the greatest revelation, God has ever given to the world read the Marshall summer's books. The allies of humanity. I'm not only have spoken face-to-face had an angel. Change me and take me into the heavens. Or other things were done to me. And then I was merged and to God's own. Being to be made one with God. I have spent my life doing miracles and having the most incredible experiences you can imagine, but now the warning is gone out. You might think we're living in the end days. But you have no idea what we're facing. You probably won't live long enough to see most of the bad stuff. With your children and grandchildren, will you need to help spread the information? You need to help people see it and realize it's more important than anything in this world.

[@teresamcnulty8471]

When the angels that joined the messenger to sing to the shepherds rose up into the sky, the wise men in the east saw it as a bright new star. It was there as needed to influence those who would notice it.

[@deborahperry7144]

I agree, the angel/shepherd narrative was included in Matthews account to indicate the nature of the light that lead the Magi

[@statutesofthelord]

Very good point, teresa. There were too many "probably"s in this presentation that made the video pointless.

[@jenna2431]

They saw the star and came following it. So why did they stop to ask directions? They left the palace and went on following the star anyway. That's so stupid.

[@Lloyd.B.]

@@jenna2431 Matthew 2:2 “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.” Matthew 2:9 After hearing the king, they went their way; and the star, which they had seen in the east, went on before them until it came and stood over the place where the Child was. That does sound odd. Unless they could only tell a general area at first, and after they left Herod's place something changed and they were able to be directed more precisely. The star was clearly moving, so it was only precisely able to show where Jesus was when it was over that spot.

[@kevincorley4242]

Wow that makes so much sense!!!

[@trishalamb138]

“We three kings of Orient, are bearing gifts, we travel afar. Field and fountain, moor and mountain, following yonder star. That’s how the poem was meant to be read. Perhaps literalism is really not necessary for belief, but the point of the story that’s more important. Ancient people (and even modern ones) enjoy a good, easily memorized tale, and that is why it has lasted so long. Merry Christmas 😊

[@YECBIB]

Dr. Jason Lisle has," His Star" ,nailed down.

[@JarrydTIme]

Numbers 24:17 - I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near: a star shall come forth out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel; it shall crush the forehead of Moab, and break down all the sons of Sheth. This is Balaams oracle, a prophecy given directly to the pagans, so they were looking for the sign. Surprised this wasn't mentioned, but it was a relatively shorter talk

[@stuartofblyth]

I understand your problem with Orientar (5:25). I have a similar problem with Julie in the hymn "O Jesus, I have promised": O let me see Thy footmarks, And in them plant mine own; My hope to follow Julie Is in Thy strength alone;

[@8272kb]

😂

[@rolandbevan7088]

At a Planetarium in Winchester UK - A Cambridge professor demonstrated a movement of two stars that appeared to move backwards at one stage. The child was on the house

[@bradf4399]

One of the questions or thoughts that the three wise men were king is because they gained the attention of king Herod.

[@briant457]

I have heard it taught that the star was actually God’s glory returning to be housed in Christ’s body. In the old testament His glory departed the temple as laid out in Ezekiel 10. It returned the night our Savior was born😊

[@effdonahue6595]

I like that! Very nice! 👍

[@lindaschipansky4429]

​@effdonahue6595 We hear alot of different stories about everything in bible. That's why we have to study ourselves

[@deenafinney]

I always thought it was, in context of the rest of the words in the line, "We three kings of Orient are bearing gifts we traverse afar." In other words, we three from the Orient have come from far away bringing gifts with us.

[@stevenrofe6195]

I like the concept that perhaps it was one or several angels of light watching over Jesus, Mary & Joseph.

[@patboyd1587]

I agree with another commenter this may have be the group of angels guiding the magi, not a star at all. Then they went on to sing to the shepherds.

[@Sundayschoolnetwork]

I think the star could be the Glory of God, like the cloud/fire pillar that led the Israelites in the desert.

[@Gary-fq8cx]

😂 what?!? A star is a star not a god.

[@joejohnson1428]

Amen Amen

[@elizabethszwarga2381]

Matthew 2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. English teacher here... Just taught modifiers a couple weeks ago. Modifier phrases, as a general rule, follow directly behind the noun they modify. I'm no Greek scholar, but I do believe the translators were in both languages. 😉 Adverb phrases can come either before or directly after the verbs they modify. "In the East, they saw a star..." where they were when they saw the star.

[@SmutchyBritches]

When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. (Matthew 2:9)

[@amel2784]

Agree. The wise men traveled to Jerusalem knowing that they were looking for a Jewish king. Once they were there they had to inquire about the new king because they had no idea exactly where he was to be located. King Herod gave them a direction, which they went towards and while they were on their way they saw the star again--the same star that they had seen while they were in the East.

[@moalongkumer]

I'm sure the angel of the Lord was guiding and leading them. Pls see Luke 2:8-20. God bless!

[@srice6231]

If the wise men were from Persia then they were from the Orient because historically Persia was considered part of the Orient which comes from the Latin for East and occidental means West.

[@didibrant7326]

Arabia was also considered to be in the East in the Bible yet it looks like it is to the South of Israel.

[@SeventhDayAudio]

The Star are a group of the angelic hosts God's angels.

[@lynnbonge7504]

The song goes: We three kings of orient are Bearing gifts we traverse afar Field and fountain Moor and mountain Following yonder star

[@chrismoore58]

Interesting. Just a quick bit. The lyric is, "We three kings of Orient are," Nowhere is it "Orientar." So, the song is saying they are from the far east, specifically Asia, the Orient. Normally, I would not care enough to mention, but 1)the video is being technical, and 2) I like the song.

[@rachelhayhurst-mason7846]

I think Danny was being tongue in cheek speaking about "Orientar"... he definitely had a twinkle in his eye while saying that. Side note, orientar means "to position" and "to guide" in Spanish 😊

[@STho205]

The Orient is anything east of the Bosphoruos to Europeans until the WW2 modern era. Turkey and Arabia is the Orient to Brits a century ago. For instance "The Orient Express" a European train that goes to Istanbul. So Oriental simply meant east...Near East, Middle East, Far East....when such songs were written

[@chrismoore58]

@STho205 Cool. Even more technical than my info. Still supporting my point.

[@STho205]

@@chrismoore58 but you can't prove what you asserted. You simply take it on faith from people you don't know. By that method...they could just as likely be angels or godly candles.

[@chrismoore58]

@@STho205 I looked up the definition to post. But no, I can't prove it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Silvercrypto-xk4zy]

That far into her pregnancy i seriously doubt she was physically able to walk. Just because an animal wasn’t mentioned doesn’t actually mean there wasn’t one

[@MistbornPrincess]

Recently I thought perhaps that people assumed it was a donkey not only bc she was pregnant and might not be able to walk but perhaps because Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey…kind of a “balance” or foreshadowing. Entered on a donkey to be born and on another to die.

[@MillSiteStudio]

Many women work/walk and are very active up until they gave birth. She may not have been as quick as if she were not pregnant, but I have no doubt she could have walked the distance. In fact, walking may have been much more comfortable than being jarred around on a donkey. The last would only be a guess as woman who has been pregnant three times but has never ridden a donkey...

[@maggiepyper1132]

Mary was very young so would have been healthy to walk

[@robertclark2240]

Useful perspective. Like historical data in general, this is unknowable, but if one takes scripture as scripture it is prudent to assume angels/messngers externally or Holy Spirit internally intervened in convention and set them to journey.

[@ahope4u2]

The star they saw was in the constellation Virgo and at that point in history there was movement that brought a luminous body back and forth finally settling at the appropriate place temporarily in that constellation. Daniel had told them to wait for this as a sign the child had been born. It probably took almost two years to see this, prepare for the long journey and finally make the trip.

[@hglundahl]

1:45 In defense of the donkey. a) it could have been available to poor men b) it could have been lent them by someone richer, who thought a pregnant Lady should not be forced to walk ...

[@kd5499]

Do not add to or take away from the bible. You're not writing a Hollywood movie. You don't get artistic license.

[@vernonkuhns3561]

Joseph was a Carpenter, not necessarily poor They couldn't rent a room because they were all FULL. Stick with what is written, not men's ideas.

[@hglundahl]

@@kd5499 I'm not adding to Bible and Tradition. Tradition seems pretty clear there was a donkey.

[@hglundahl]

@@vernonkuhns3561 You may not have noticed I was responding to the speaker's idea that they were poor, as they gave a poor man's sacrifice.

[@vernonkuhns3561]

@@hglundahl I was responding to that also since you addressed it.

[@tamlynburleigh9267]

It stood over the house, note house, where the young child, note, child not baby, was. They arrived about two years later and found the young child Jesus who was about two years old by then.

[@jimharris5049]

Claiming Jesus was 2 is total fiction! They, Mary and Joseph, went to Bethlehem to be counted in the census. When the census concluded they most likely would have returned to Nazareth as soon as Mary was able to travel. Probably a few weeks at most. The warning about Harod’s decree to kill any male child under 2 years old. If Harod thought Jesus was 2 years old he probably would have had male children 4 and under killed. Furthermore, child and infant and even baby are all terms that are interchangeable. As far as being in a house, who’s to say the owner of the stable didn’t take pity on them and as soon as there was room they were allowed into the house. So the whole concept that Jesus was 2 when the wise men arrived is pure speculation.

[@thegreatmysterylady3221]

​​@@jimharris5049Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Matthew 2:16 KJV This verse is quite obvious that there was a passage of time, from the time Herod spoke to the wise men to the time that they should have came back and reported to him where the child was which is why he had children from two and under killed to ensure that he would end the new King of the Jews before his reign could even begin. Even if the wise men were riding horses or camels it most likely took them weeks probably even months before they reached their destination.

[@00Recoil]

You are absolutely correct, Tamlyn. Herod carefully inquired as to when the star appeared, the Bible says, and based his extermination order on that. While he was brutal, we wasn't sloppy. Herod would not have killed 2 year old toddlers if he thought he was looking for a baby that was a few days old. The mercilessness and intentionality of Herod's barbaric act is very clearly indicated. "When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. " Matthew 2:16

[@jimharris5049]

What some do not take in account is that the wise men started their journey when the star first appeared. How long did that journey take? 3 months? 6 months? A year? We do not know. So they could have to Herod they saw the star up to a year before the birth. Thus Herod could have thought the baby Jesus was already a year old. That is my point, we DO NOtT know so it is just an interpretation to some that Jesus was 2 because of the decree Herod made. So believe what you want. I believe if God wanted the wise men to be at there at or near the birth of CHRIST surely He could place a star for the Wise men in the sky for them to see months before CHRIST was born as well as have it directly above Bethlehem when He was born. Do not be fooled by false teachings.

[@clare1053]

@@jimharris5049 I agree you.

[@woundednhealed]

Great clarification, Dr Danny Faulkener of the Biblical narrative vs tradition but the Christmas Carol line is "We Three Kings of Orient Are" (not a place called Orientar but the Orient)!

[@rebeccachapman1231]

Please tell me the "Orientar" thing was a jjoke! The line of the song is, "We three kings of Orient ARE." It's uses poetic license to rhyme with "afar" and "star", which the more grammatical sentence, "We are three kings from the Orient" wouldn't do.

[@itzcaseykc]

A star is an object of bright light. Angels are beings of light. With this said, as far as I'm concerned, it was an angel that led the wise men to the spot where Jesus was, because a celestial star is not able to get up and move, as described in scripture, then hover over a spot where the family was staying at. This object of light would have to be in very close proximity to the house where Joseph, Mary, and Jesus were staying when they were visited by the magi/wise men, otherwise the highlighted area would not have been possible. Since angels were participants in the announcement to both the parents of John the Baptist and then about the incarnation & conception of Jesus to Mary, and in the process of time announcing His birth to the shepherds since there were nobody around to do so, then leading the magi to Jesus from Jerusalem, and finally warning both the wise men and Joseph of imminent danger... only leaves one or two possible options; it was either an angel, or as the presenter suggested... that maybe it was the Shakina Glory of God that showed the wise men the way to go.

[@jellysam61]

I agree. Stars are often used in scripture to refer to angels.

[@dracula3811]

There's a really good video a lawyer made on the Christmas star. I don't know if he's right or not but his conclusions seem very reasonable

[@cherriethomas9538]

Glad you said I was going to. It's a beautiful finding.

[@joebrink8552]

Video is called "The Star of Bethlehem" by Larson and JESUS was born where the sacrificial lambs were born, Migdal Eder, Micah 4:8.

[@luciannaperri4359]

Yes his presentation of the star of Bethlehem was excellent, and True

[@joebrink8552]

@@luciannaperri4359 It really opened my eyes to digging deep in GOD'S Word and gave me a deeper Awe of GOD.

[@mj6962]

I think that most scientific findings that prove Biblical facts and events are amazing. I always find that when the Bible is truly understood from the original languages, it will align with science and science with align with the Biblical description. However, that fact that a miracle IS a miracle, is because no man or natural occurrence can create it. The Star of Bethlehem is one such example. Astronomers have tried to link the Star to a natural convergence of natural stars coming together at one time. I believe that is was a very special supernatural light much like the Shekinah Glory of God.

[@slypen7450]

The Chinese recorded a comet in that time frame so the Magi would have seen it traveling east and realized it's importance as a harbinger of fate and gathering gifts started following it. In Matthew the text clearly states after leaving Jerusalem the Magi followed the star until it was over the place where Jesus was at. Now if you look on a compass you will see Bethlehem is south south west of Jerusalem. So did the star alter it's course from Jerusalem? Or is there an error in Mathew?

[@josieherrera9017]

According to the book "The Desire of Ages", by Ellen G. White, the star was a group of Angels that shone the light to guide the Wise Men to where Jesus was. The star was visible only to these Wise Men, that King Herod did not even see this phenomenon.

[@memowilliam9889]

Of course, she's a heretic with her own false prophecies and errors regarding the sabbath. But other than that she's TOTALLY trustworthy.

[@freebirdrox7330]

I think the star was an angel; as angels are called stars in other parts of the Bible.

[@sjhanson1690]

You’re right, it was an angel. But it was Satan. Remember the star led the Magi, not to Jesus but to the one who would want to kill Jesus. Would one of Gods Angels lead these Magi to someone who would want to Kill him? No. But Satan would. It was only after King Herod learned about the birth of Jesus that they followed the star to Bethlehem. Then they were warned not to go back to Herod.