The Star Wars Sequels: Disney's Anti-Trilogy

[@kapitankapital6580]

Honestly I'm still just stunned that Disney, the largest media conglomerate in history, decided to make a new trilogy of Star Wars, arguably the biggest film franchise in history, without having any overarching plan for what the story would be.

[@alexgetting245]

Mind blowing isn’t it? And insulting to Lucas and the fans too. They obviously just assumed they could just wave nostalgia in the faces of the audience, and make it up as they go along, and the films would be well received. The worst part of it is they only had one chance of doing this, and they completely bellyflopped. Now I’ll admit, whilst I loathe TROS, I enjoyed TFA and liked TLJ, but I don’t think these movies should be considered canon, since TROS ruined a lot of what the two films set up, as well as the entire Saga. So

[@Millicente]

It’s because they left it in the hands of someone who had no plan, only agendas

[@persona83]

Honestly, I think they had a plan in TFA. But a dangerous Ryan Johnson appears...

[@virgogaming6488]

@@persona83 TFA was too much of a story thread mess so I don't fault Rian too much for trashing it.

[@OttoRoesch28]

@@virgogaming6488 I agree TFA was a mess. However, it did lay down enough of a foundation and a plot to make the next movie great if left in the right hands. Then Rian came in and completely destroyed everything the first movie laid out and ignored much of what the first movie established. So i fault rian for such a horrible sequel.

[@ionutcristian9650]

JJ Abrams - "It's not a nostalgia trip" Almost busted a gut laughing at the lack of self awareness of that statement.

[@stuartcmcd]

You give Abrams too much credit; he was straight up lying.

[@kmarasin]

He was anti-truth. Nostalgia is the ONLY thing this trilogy will be remembered for (I hope.) RIP Peter Mayhew, Carrie Fisher, Kenny Baker.

[@ShizaruBloodrayne]

funny how the whole trilogy just trips over nostalgia haha

[@V-Jes]

@@ShizaruBloodrayne and then literally killing it with each movie killing 1 of the original protagonists...

[@theliberator5725]

Everything J.J.or one of his minions touches will turn to crap.

[@justicar347]

It is more entertaining and mentally stimulating to watch criticism of the sequel trilogy than it is to watch the actual movies.

[@WiserInTime]

Boom

[@dittomaster8237]

he made no valid critcisms though

[@firingallcylinders2949]

I've lost count of how many times I've watched the prequels and Original Trilogy. I watch clips on YT of individual scenes all the time. I watched each sequel 1 time...in the theater and haven't watched them again since.

[@darthtleilaxu4021]

True ! C'est vrai !

[@lecyber-purgatoire9803]

Ture. I enjoy very much every videos that destroy these movies haha

[@buldonzwenkinz7973]

“George moved on, but they’re still standing right where it all started.” Was a GREAT way to end the video! 👌

[@Imperials3nate]

Took me a while to realise, but that line not only refers to the directors, but also Rey in the plot. She starts and ends in a desert, sliding down hills and talking to old women. When your story ends the way it began, and it's NOT to comment in something, I think you should redraft it or talk to someone.

[@telengardforever7783]

I once saw a picture of George Lucas just eating some fast food at Wendy's and watching the world go by. Nobody bothered him as if he was just some random guy. It was a very somber picture and now with that quote, “George moved on, but they’re still standing right where it all started.”, that picture hits even harder.

[@Снайпер_Хренов]

​@@telengardforever7783 People blamed him for selling SW to Disney, but he was simply done with Star wars and wanted to live a normal life using the money his own creation had earned him. Disney is the one to blame for messing it all up

[@pacoramon9468]

- Palpatine was't killed -The Empire wasn't destroyed -Luke didn't bring back the jedi order -Han Solo left Leia and return to be a criminal - The New Republic was a failure that a group of neonazis ended in a week -Anakin didn't bring balance to the force. The sequel triology made pointless the original triology, the characters and universe didn't chance from episode IV to IX.

[@joshuaplumb9213]

Exactly! Abrams and Johnson don’t understand the arch of Star Wars, that it was ANAKIN’S story of bringing balance to the force and making the galaxy peaceful again

[@Jdfuller82]

There needs to be a love button because you hit the nail on the head.

[@legoferrari14]

Not to mention -Force Healing was a light-side power all along, making Anakin's fall to the dark an even worse failing than it already was

[@Imlaor25]

One thing was acheived: Luke brought Anakin back to the light side. But whatever, I don’t see the Sequels as canon. 1-6 is the Skywalker saga.

[@didhethough7304]

@@joshuaplumb9213 sorry but the most accurate way of thinking about it is, the skywalker family, bringing balance to the force.

[@AlexanderTheBloodraven]

Somehow… Palpatine returned. Somehow… Rey can defeat literally anyone, despite only discovering the Force literally three days earlier. Somehow… Rey repaired Anakin’s lightsaber, even though it had been torn in half and then completely blown up as the Supremacy was destroyed. Somehow… The Force Heal ability was never used by any Jedi, not even Anakin to save Padme or Obi-Wan to save Qui Gon, before Rey used it to save an enemy that had killed his own father before her eyes. Somehow… The Death Star wreckage is on a random ocean planet, mostly intact and left untouched by scavengers, even though it should’ve crashed on Endor and should’ve been completely destroyed by the explosion. Somehow... Hyperspace is a weapon of mass destruction, which had never been used as a weapon until Holdo came up with it, even literal eons after it’s creation. Somehow… No one has crashed into something, literally anything, whilst flying in Hyperspace before Holdo did. Somehow… Force Ghosts can interact with the physical world, yet they have never once tried to help the Jedi in battle. Somehow… People were paid to write this trilogy.

[@masterdeetectiv9520]

Somehow… anakin’s saber is there

[@arroe8386]

Somehow... Rey and Kylo can teleport stuff

[@heintz256]

@@masterdeetectiv9520 it belongs in a museum

[@RealUSC]

@@heintz256 and in this exhibit you can see Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber named "Youngling Slayer 9000"

[@locomotivo4644]

Somehow... the Force can now revive people

[@MaelstromEnergy]

The part about the Last Jedi that disappoints me the most is the thesis about "anyone can be a Jedi, not just Skywalkers" as if that wasn't the literal point of Yoda in Empire Strikes Back. Luke is expecting a macho warrior Jedi master and finds out the wisest Jedi is a green muppet.

[@shadowstorm6458]

It gets worse, in the prequels we literally saw hundreds of Jedi that weren’t Skywalkers, and they were relevant too.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I wasn't a Skywalker and I was literally the first Jedi ever seen onscreen. Star Wars has never been about your bloodline defining your Force ability. The Skywalker bloodline did give them more power in general but that never meant they were the only being who could use the Force, most of the Jedi and Sith we see in the films are not Skywalker and the Last Jedi started out with an untrue assumption that who you are related to is the main point of Star Wars. It thinks it's being revolutionary by showing Rey or that Boom Kid use the Force when that thesis of anyone an be a Jedi has literally been in Star Wars since it's first movie over 40 years ago. Family is critical in Star Wars or course but that's because a key theme of the saga has always been family, but family never dictated who was a Jedi. The only reason the "Skywalkers" mattered is becasue the story was focused on a family exploring family relationships. And to once again drive home the point, I, Yoda, Darth Sidious, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Mace Windu, etc were all extremely strong Force users but it was *never* the assumption that we had to be related the Skywalkers to be good Jedi or important to the story. The only people who though the Last Jedi was revolutionary were the people who weren't paying attention.

[@MaelstromEnergy]

@BK Beatty if you were "ating" me, then sure!

[@rennythespaceguy7285]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi This is because Disney stuff isn't based around the films, but how people remember the film's hence all the importance they put on Luke's lightsaber , it was just a prop in the original film's 'your father's lightsaber' was more an excuse as to why Obi-wan had a spare one lying around rather than any bestowing of a nobel lineage age, but in the sequels so much importance is placed on the saber just because it's what we recognise

[@CEDEREL]

arguably the strongest thing of value TLJ had and it was retconned in the next movie. i like tlj, but i understand why people didnt and tros only made it worse... they couldve done anything in the galaxy and they chose the laziest options that ruined the two movies it was trying to follow up on

[@ThornHailsnap]

The best thing the sequel trilogy did was it made many fans of the trilogy go back and watch the original movies and realize then just how inferior the sequel trilogy truly is. Disney actually created more fans of the prequels and lead to more criticism of the sequels.

[@kevinketchum7030]

This makes me really happy - that they did the opposite of what they meant to do 😂😆

[@floatyjam]

and nobody cares about the original 😢

[@cheezeebutter452]

@@floatyjam I care

[@1pawelgo]

This video has more planning put into its plot than this trilogy had.

[@singletona082]

Me making a sandwich has more planning than that clusterfuck had.

[@inexplicable01]

@@singletona082 Hahahahahahaah well said.

[@JoRdi-ul4xg]

what's you profile picture?

[@Scroolewse]

I can only imagine what this trilogy would have been if JJ Abrams never fucking touched it. Rian could have made a great trilogy, it would still have been very controversial but it would have been a real trilogy.

[@Maxboun3204]

Man that's very true

[@tgthr8114]

For me, the saddest part about the sequels is that this was Disney’s one chance to effectively use all of the original actors. And now, with it being done and gone, that chance has gone. Fisher is dead (RIP), Hamill is disappointed and Ford is completely over Star Wars. It sucks that the one chance we got at continuing these characters stories does the opposite, and returns them to their original state or just completely sends their character in an opposite direction. It is also actually criminal that there was never one scene where those three actors were reunited together. Just such a shame.

[@ctv186]

Sucks once you saw how excited the original and new actors were for the new Star Wars after filming Force Awakens, and then they seemed bored and done once Rise of Skywalker came out.

[@liamistrash4207]

this is actually so true and its a shame that Disney failed like this

[@e.l.b6435]

Read the Legends novels

[@skylanderlego4163]

@@e.l.b6435 where?

[@e.l.b6435]

@@skylanderlego4163 Buying? In Wookiepedia you find a List with all the novels. The history goes until 130 ABY

[@theelephantintheroom69]

Finn: "Han Solo the rebellion general?" Rey: "No, the smuggler!" This sums up the sequel trilogy so well. They threw all of greatness in these characters out the window and filled in that free space in the plot with new characters who were written poorly.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

In what universe would a smuggler's name be more known than a war hero's? That's some contrived BS.

[@Herman1776]

@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 I know right! Somehow she knew that Han solo was as a smuggler not as a war hero. Also that she didn't even know who Luke was!!

[@roberkraft1982]

makes me wonder with lines like that if maybe one of the writers knew EXACTLY what was going on.

[@ripvanwinkle7689]

As a wise man once said if you are a famous smuggler you aren't doing it right

[@Zanzibawrr]

That dialogue is completely logical lol, don’t get the criticism. Finn was part of the first order AKA remnants of the empire. Of course he would know han solo as a rebellion general. rey lived in the ass end of the galaxy in the “i make tatooine look good” planet. probably smugglers are a necessity and part of general culture in that environment.

[@MrMgkman13]

The first time I saw Force Awakens I thought Luke was on Ahch-To to learn some ancient wisdom of the Force to help set things right. That’s all they had to do justify Luke’s absence

[@jonathantenorio6714]

i thought the same thing

[@lukasor9936]

That would also slightly justify him trying to kill Ben. It would just be a moment he realised he isn't ready to be a teacher and that he himself is tempted by the dark side so he needs to learn about the Jedi way. A stretch, I know, but still it would be a small improvement.

[@rockoman100]

He really just needed to be doing *something* interesting there. The biggest issue with TLJ is that when it undermines your expectations it doesn't replace it with anything interesting. Okay, Luke is disgraced and is hiding from the world. That can be interesting. Oh, he's doing nothing and just wants to die? Uh...there's not much the work with here. It didn't introduce anything to the story to build from.

[@marley7868]

@@lukasor9936 personally I would have prefered the temple was attacked luke sensed the dark side in the barracks with his nephew and went ballistic mowing through everyone only to see the guy he's after was been causing him to bail

[@thunderspark1536]

@@marley7868 I thought of something similar, the reason Luke ended up going for Ben was because of Snoke's mental influence, showcasing how strong he was in the force and giving Luke a reason to close himself off AND search for a way to stop him. Having Snoke be this less direct figure, maybe not even the actual leader of anything but just subtly using his power to manipulate others, would have worked well for the trilogy. Yes, stopping Snoke would help, but the underlying issues (say the first order was a result of perceived weakness from the New Republic rather than empire 2.0) would need to be solved still otherwise someone else could make another war happen. Have the point of the sequel to BUILD UP, rather than the tearing down both other trilogies did. Relate it to modern living, where we can't just fight and kill the underlying issues to win. I think Rian TRIED to do something like that but utterly fumbled since he didn't say anything of substance besides "obvious bad thing is obviously bad". Maybe have the outer rim being attacked by some unknown force, and they formed the first order to help since the new republic was worried about militarizing too much and oppressing the people, when all they needed was the safety of the galactic government. Would make the people ask if the rebellion was actually a net negative overall and ask interesting questions.

[@trequor]

For all the shortcomings of George Lucas, he could never be accused of lacking creativity. The man has a million cool ideas and I have to respect the fact that all of his films feel different.

[@dashuntas.m4045]

He’s basically the opposite of JJ Abrams

[@benjaminroe311ify]

Yeah I mean... For as much as you could criticize the prequals for things. They bring us. Fluid and elaborate lightsaber action, pod racing, sonic charges shattering astroids. Mace freakin Windu with purple lighsabers. A high speed chase through the traffic lanes of Coruscant. ETC ETC ETC. Imagination was throught he roof in that. Sadly some detractors laugh and point at Jar Jar or wooden writing or acting here or there. And don't get me wrong. I do think the original trilogy are overall the best movies. BUT the older I get the more I like the political and economic intrigue of the prequels and the beautiful creations of Lucas imagination that are spread all through the prequel movies. I LOVE THEM even if they aren't the best movies. They help tell Anakin/Vader's story as well who is my FAVORITE Star Wars Character.

[@SuperMarioJustin4]

He just lacks perfect execution, and good dialogue writing.

[@sonicfan2403]

​@@benjaminroe311ifyThey also paved the way for both Clone Wars cartoons, the earlier Battlefront games, the KOTOR games, establishing more lore into the entire universe revolving around the Jedi, Sith, Mandalorians, Planets and especially the Force! I understand the aspect of a creator wanting to do a new direction, but JJ and Rian clearly didn't do that!

[@palmereldritch_6669]

@@benjaminroe311ify I'll agree. The prequels were very strangely prescient to what's happening in the United States these days. Evil fascist creep has been insidious now for decades. And it did not end with Trump getting beaten in 2020. Whether he gets reelected or some other fascist right wing Ahole comes to power, the danger is real and palpable, and the resistance STILL doesn't seem to grasp the seriousness of the situation.

[@Rapscallion2871]

Ep 1. Children's Fantasy Ep 2. Noir-ish Political Mystery Ep 3. Apocalyptic Opera Ep 4. Serial Adventure Ep 5. Dreamlike Tragedy Ep 6. Classical Morality Play Ep 7. Nostalgia Bait Ep 8. Middle Finger🖕 Ep 9. "Somehow Palpatine returned."

[@JEMurl]

Somehow @thedoctot2871's Mom returned

[@sunsetman22]

unironically yes

[@BiriBiri925]

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[@nathancoumbe]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Sandlund93]

Yeah, The Phantom Menace is probably the best movie for children. They are obviously gonna zone out during Sheev's schemes on Coruscant, so did I back in the days. 3 years later he was quickly becoming my favourite character and has remained so ever since. Anyway, TPM is a bit unbalanced like that, while you certainly grow out of certain aspects there are others who speak more to a mature audience. The Empire Strikes Back, on the other hand, is more like a horror movie when you are young. But it's the one that I have come to appreciate the most. I could go on for all of them but it would become a book, I feel like you hit the nail. Especially with Middle Finger, that's the only movie where I considered leaving the movie theater.

[@crimsonhunter6538]

The sequels did one thing right. They made the majority of star wars fans greatly appreciate the prequels!

[@aryan7767]

the seuqls made it clear that kids who grew up with the prequels will now overpraise the prequels (the preuqls had some good elements but they were also not good). the sequels are also bad but for different reasons

[@KLXz17]

The prequels are good but had some bad elements. Don’t get it mixed up boomer ;)

[@shaunm6383]

@@KLXz17 Exactly. This man knows what he's talking about.

[@spooktheghosthost]

@@KLXz17 i like all the star wars if im being real

[@jockeyfield1954]

@@KLXz17 the prequels are more like dumb fun than they are interesting as the og trilogy is don't get me wrong, both are good, but the prequels let you just watch the film and enjoy, you don't need to explain to the other guys in the room who these guys are or what their plan is. all you need to know is the guy with the beard and the guy with long hair are friends and you'll have just as much fun as the person who knows everything about star wars lore

[@themcknox]

I like the way they went into it shitting on the prequels, and ended up creating something so bad that people now revere the prequels.

[@johnwhite9820]

Revere is a bit strong, but yeah. The prequels were made with intent, and they had some really great stuff in them. They weren't J J Abrams garbage or Rian Johnson deliberate deconstruction.

[@williansnobre]

The prequels had a lot of good stuff in them. The fanmade Phantom Edit changes scenes around and makes it a lot better but it only managed to do that because there were good things there to begin with. The sequels have a lot cool visuals but that's pretty much it.

[@kingDowahs]

The Prequels were never really that bad, sure they were flawed but if you look past some of the poor dialogue and jar jar you’ll find a great story about the dangers of letting fear corrupt you and hunting for power, The sequels are the opposite because once you look past the great directing and A-list actors you get a confused story which tries to say multiple things without many to say anything

[@johnwhite9820]

@@kingDowahs I disagree. The corruption of Anakin did not feel motivated / ring true. Think how great a serious trilogy about him leading a rebellion against the slavery he experienced and killed his mom, where he gradually became corrupted by more and more aggressive means to achieve his ends, until he didn't recognize himself. Instead, Anakin had a bad dream about Padme dying, so he choked her to death? Uh....

[@yossarian00]

@@johnwhite9820 It's really not too strong. I swear, before this disney shit happened, years ago, I can't remember seeing ANYONE praising the prequels. There were people who wanted to pretend they didn't exist at all.

[@gdoofkbacha4774]

The saddest part of all of this is that George Lucas had a sequel trilogy written, but Disney just threw it away. It was supposed to connect the prequels and originals, like Luke was supposed to go to Coruscant at some point.

[@legoferrari14]

Bob Iger's autobiography includes a really interesting line as to why they bought Lucas' story treatments so they can be discarded; a passage that tells everything about Disney's objective with the Sequel Trilogy as a whole.

[@TrevHassy]

@@legoferrari14 lol, so what did he say?

[@legoferrari14]

@@TrevHassy He said that he didn't want to do George's story treatments; instead he wanted to do something "Quintessentially Star Wars" Which sounds like PR-speak for "nostalgia-bait using the iconography of the OT."

[@blanebertalmio2328]

I wonder if they are still in some google doc still

[@sued_]

Hot take. The prequels are good

[@marleychronic8530]

Rewatching the prequels made me realize the world-building it does for the original movies, such as “why the empire exist”, and “who really was Darth Vader?”, “How Darth Sidious became Emperor?” and expanded Jedi Lore. Civil Wars and Rebellions just don’t happen outta nowhere, there is politics involved that the prequels touches on it beautifully.

[@robertbruce7772]

The Prequels basically explained the US political system or how it operates.

[@theLikou1]

And the newer ones were like "well, they have a giant fleet because yes, fuck you."

[@Recapsulate]

It’s the Anti Hero’s Journey. Inverting the classic arc.

[@marleychronic8530]

@@robertbruce7772 I would compare it to the fall of the Roman Republic and rise of the Roman Empire, and how Julius Caesar becomes emperor thru civil wars.

[@jout738]

@@theLikou1 Bois lets hyperspace through the enemy fleet, so we can win the battle, because in hyperspace we go so fast, that we cant get any ship damage at all. Why you bois building new starkiller base, when just build multiple spaceships, that are able to hyperspace through planets to destroy it in there.

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

"Somehow, Palpatine has returned" This sentence will be used as a bad example in writing classes for decades to come

[@Imlaor25]

Alongside “A good question - for another time” And then they don’t answer the question at any time.

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@Imlaor25 And to think somebody actually okayed all this!

[@Elbow1878]

It’s honestly unbelievable how bad this dialogue is.

[@SCDarkSoul]

Remember, the way audiences were first told Palpatine was back prior to the opening scrawl of Episode 9, was the Fortnite crossover event.

[@darkjediknight2923]

@@Elbow1878 Exactly. I wish we'd had George's real sequels.

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

Classic case of trying so hard not to be predictable that you end up making no sense at all.

[@personthewat]

One of the saddest realizations I have as I think about how hard the sequels failed is that Carrie Fisher is dead, Harrison Ford is almost done acting, and Mark Hamill was killed in the last movie so that demands a rejection of this trilogy (which I wouldn't mind) in order to move on and include him. The old assets are pretty much gone. They had one shot to appeal to fans while carrying on the torch and they failed and that great opportunity is gone now.

[@filippogiorgianni8020]

Indeed we should hope there will be no other set of films maken by those woke rapists of Disney at all!

[@xoeleox2079]

They didn't want to appeal to old fans. They wanted to create new ones. Old fans are, well, old. Same thing happened to Star Trek. Went about as well.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

If by some miracle the sequels get a reboot. Then it HAS to start with Leia getting assassinated the new republic on the brink of collapse. Have Han and Luke go on an adventure to find the person responsible and end the “First Order Insurgency” only to find out that it was Ben Solo who masterminded it (he had fallen to the dark side under the influence of Snoke). Have it end with Han sacrificing himself and Kylo finding redemption by betraying Snoke.

[@xoeleox2079]

@@Kaiserboo1871 It doesn't have to have any of that. The original post-Jedi story involved an extragalactic threat invading the galaxy and Luke's new Jedi Order working to repel them. A reboot doesn't need to use the trite First Order stuff at all, and in fact it benefits them to *not* use it because then they will have even more toys and merchandise to sell. The less they use of what they have already created, the more new things they can sell to consumers. This is why, for instance, C3P0 has a red arm for no reason in the new trilogy. None of the characters they created were good anyway, they would need to be re-written into different, actually good characters. So why not give them new names and appearances at that point? And then have new figurines to sell. Write an actually good, actually strong female lead to be a real role model or whatever.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@xoeleox2079 I mean with Fisher dead, they kinda have to kill off Leia. I don’t like the idea of having a dead person in a movie they didn’t live to take part in (Using CGI to make a few scenes is fine [Paul Walker], also using CGI to resurrect dead actors to fill in background characters is fine [Tarkin from Rouge One] but doing an entire movie with a dead actor as a main character is not a good idea).

[@15oClock]

"A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing." -George Lucas.

[@Mr.Masenko]

Precisely

[@enterbalak]

"Again, it's like poetry.. it rhymes." -George Lucas

[@kolekiser6681]

Y’all be right on money

[@coldpon3]

Kinda ironic lol

[@haveidonethisbefore]

It's funny how lucas said that and gave us prequels

[@SuperSparrow45]

It's ironic that in an attempt to make people forget about the Prequels, they made Star Wars fans appreciate them even more, because, at least they're not THIS.

[@EricHamm]

Bad take. You should hate them all. Trash writing is trash writing. Its like saying you like logs of shit on your face because it is better than diaherra, it's all still shit.

[@KipTM]

@@EricHamm here's another

[@yurifairy2969]

@@EricHamm I will always respect bad movies with a creative vision more than bad movies churned out by people who don't care. It makes a big difference.

[@mysticalrockstar8829]

People always appreciated them, they are the most Star Wars esq movies. They just get railed cuz of the poor acting and dialogue.

[@rpgincorporated8302]

Also So Uncivilized's video on George Lucas: King of Wooden Dialogue does good for it.

[@sungod9797]

This is the most concise and well-scripted breakdown of the trilogy’s overarching problems I’ve seen on KZbin… nice job

[@flatline8580]

"The point of this kid, is that he could be anyone. The point of *this* kid, is that he's someone." This whole video is excellent, well founded and thoughtfully said. Thanks.

[@t_yamz]

Thank you. In my opinion, bringing Palpatine back was the worst decision they could have possibly made. It made the original trilogy pointless.

[@roboticchat8450]

No not necessarily IF they had made it so that Luke did not die for nothing. If Vadar had sacrificed himself so that his son could rebuild the order and Palpatine had come back that would have been fine. Instead Luke surviving ended up being worse for the galaxy the beeter.

[@itschewsday5252]

The only good thing the sequel trilogy did was that they confirmed that a good chunk of the legend Sith Lords are canon. Such as Revan

[@herro1241]

maul starts crime organization but he is the biggest one he controls all even fetts tattowein leia is rebuilding republic and luke rebuilding Jedi and askoka is looking for Ezra with Sabine they find his lightsaber on a grave and they mourn then it cuts to the knights of ren with Ezra now called kylo ren trying to find holocrons same scene from the force awakens then it cuts to chewy and han getting chased by criminals and they land on Naboo after getting away talk to leia about the crime problem and then gets idea that they have to kill all the bosses not knowing maul is the big one then Han says how are we gonna kill all them once one dies the rest will go into hiding so Han says she may know a person who can help and tells mando to come to Naboo cuts to mando In his n-1 and shows the convo with leia and he says it’s on the house then cuts to Sabine and asoska going to Luke’s hidden temple only the people closet to Luke knows where it’s at Sabine shows the luke ezras lightsaber and says he’s gone then they all walk in the temple sees them all training with grogu and luke says to askoka the new order may need to have some new masters and she says she will consider showing them the temple and talking then cuts to kylo talking to hooded figure and he says I sense a plot to destroy what we have built contact the crime lords and let them know I sense a plot on there lives could be coming. Cuts to mando leia chewy and Han on Naboo talking about what they should do then mando says I might have a guy whose into this kinda work they all leave in the falcon with mando chewy Han and go to tattowein to talk to boba about how they need to take the bosses out and they convince him that he will be able to take there profits so boba sets a meeting up with all them in a unknown location and chewy Han mando sneak in but when they get to the room with all the bosses there just halograms laughing at them and boba says to them through halogram business is businesses and gas starts to come out the vents and knocks them out put into cells cuts to Luke askoka leia and Sabine all talking about there plan not knowing what happened then kylo ten meets the prisoners and try’s to find out where Luke’s temple is but luke hasn’t even told Han chewy or mando but learns from Hans brain that leia knows they want the holocrons from his temple so he leaves and says that’s all I need and Han yells leiaaaa!!! Then a rogue criminal try’s to break them out just like fin did they all escape but mando he gets captured again but tells them to leave him they go back to Naboo contacting leia telling them the criminals are on there way to Naboo to get leia luke askoka Sabine are all still in the call leia tells them all to go but luke says he has to stay at the temple with the Jedi so Sabine askoka and grogu knowing mando was captured they leave but before the leave Luke’s says may the force be with you. When they all get back the discus what they are gonna do then a bunch of ships are seen in the air then cuts to mando with no armor with a knight of ren taking him to the hooded figure good goood he says mando spits and says who are you he says I have seen empires rise and fall they are all the same my friend. You and your damned republic will be crushed my men are already on there way mando runs at the figure the knight lights his saber up as the figure force holds mando in place and says to the knight no let him the knight backs off as mando is unfrozen he runs to the figure throws punches then get choked still not seeing who it is and mando says why don’t you just kill me and the figure says I have other purposes for you then puts him to sleep back at Naboo the forces hit the ground and there is a bunch of criminals and kylo ren and 2 other knights they are fighting trying to get leia and capture her and the plant they are all fighting askoka is fighting knights and Sabine is fighting kylo grogu is fighting everyone else then cuts to Mando in the cell with the criminal guards lokking at his cell making jokes about him then he says hey can you grab my back I need my pure beskar gear and there like soo your mandolarin they go get his stuff they are messing with it one puts his helmet on then they touch his wrist guard and mando says I wouldn’t touch then he gets cut by the shock that came from his wrist armor they both get knocked out they drop the card for the cell and mando gets his stuff and escapes he’s on his way to Naboo but there’s no contact so he rushes to get there Sabine and kylo are fighting where the duel of the fates is And Sabine ask why are you doing this who are you and he say my friends left me for death and then she realizes it’s Ezra she pulls out his lightsaber from his past light and he touch’s it like kylo and Han in force awakens chewy herra are watches this from away then Kylo turns the saber on and kills her chewy And herra shoot but he gets away and try’s to fight leia askoka is pinned down about to get slain and then you here the mando music and it’s him he says I can bring you in warm or I can bring you in cold then he shoots his grabbing hook from his wrist and grabs the lightsaber from the knights hand duel wielding the dark saber and a red lightsaber then the knight grabs one of askokas and then askoka force pushes the knight they have a big battle and the knight ends up getting captured they see kylo and go after him And herra shoots kylo he’s injured and all the criminals troops are dead or captured kylo starts running to a cliff And everyone follows them from the other side a ship appears and it’s the other knight kylo gets on and leaves then the group is all together and askoka asks where is Sabine and herra tells her what happened they run to Sabine with c-3po and other Republic fighters trying to help her but then the group gets there and just like yoda when he died she’s cut off saying it was hhhmm her trying to say it was Ezra but was cut off then they mourn burn her body then the question the captured knight and Han asked is kylo your master the knight laughs you fools and then Han says okay what master do you service then cuts to kylo returning to his master telling him it was a failure then the hooded figure gets up and takes the robe off his head revealing it’s maul and says fine I’ll do it myself then movie ends

[@Underworlder5]

if i was put in charge of episode 9, i would give snoke a reappearance. just write if off as the man kylo killed being a double and leave it at that

[@itschewsday5252]

@@Underworlder5 for me, I would probably go with the original script with episode nine. Where Kylo actually becomes a Sith Lord and learns the true ways of the dark side and even is considered to be stronger than Palpatine. He basically would’ve been Anakin if he never got burned. And throughout the movie we would’ve seen him slowly become a Sith Lord. He also would’ve learned Force drain. During the final battle, he would absolutely destroy Rey but Rey would use the dark and the light side to take him out. The ending would’ve been her starting a new Jedi code where you can use both dark and light side of the force so there is balance.

[@Mpiewizard]

It should also be mentioned that around the time The Force Awakens came out, the generation of children who grew up with the prequels were just entering into adulthood and becoming far more vocal about their love for the films. The mindset around the prequels was already changing during that time, especially with the help of The Clone Wars animated series. So, in hindsight, being sort of anti-prequel was a pretty bad call and I think they’re just now registering that a lot of people really love that trilogy - especially the story of it - and that era of the Star Wars universe.

[@Emperorcalebtine]

It’s why they had to scramble Episode 9 to reflect a lot of prequel era details. It’s also why the Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett have so much from the entire series, not just one set of trilogies.

[@silvergameplay7580]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHPZgY2obdyhf7c 🦇🦇🦇

[@RywokastDarkstar5000]

i am one of them... i absolutely love every single thing about the prequels and the clone wars and how in depth, though out and intertwined they are. the sequels shit all over that

[@drazenbudis7881]

I don’t know, I’m born in ‘92 and I still love original trilogy much more than prequels.

[@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051]

@@drazenbudis7881 For some fans, i deserve death for saying this but: i think the original movies are boring and uninteresting, not in a action sense, more in a story sense, the only one that i like is empire strikes back. But i absolutely love the prequels, the only prequel i dislike is the first one.

[@josefsilvia5360]

JJ Abrams: I will make my movie my way. Rian Johnson: I will make my movie my way. Kathleen Kennedy: AWESOME! Anything is better than the prequels. Disney: Did we just make 2 fan films instead of a cohesive story? Audience: YES! JJ Abrams: I’ll throw some mashup scenes in Episode 9 to fix it. Disney: Well, money matters most.

[@kennethbryant5819]

I will give Rian Johnson this. He actually tried to work with JJ because he thought at first that there was a plan in place when he was hired but JJ turned him away.

[@josefsilvia5360]

@@kennethbryant5819 I do believe JJ’s dismissal of Rian and then subsequent rewrite to dismiss most of what Rian did was a big reason for why trilogy was incoherent. That and Kathleen Kennedy.

[@gandalf163]

And now they are focusing more on prequel era characters than sequel era characters and making shows on those era characters , only show they made during sequel era is resistance and that is garbage 😂

[@jenifferschmitz8618]

fan response fuck this is a load of shit not worth watching

[@AscendantCorn]

The “death” of Chewy and immediate reversal for me was the tipping point for RoS. I was genuinely excited after the transport explosion at the opportunity for Rey to explore and wrestle with her anger and the consequences of giving in to her emotions, only to immediately be jerked back and reminded that Abrams pulls every punch in this film.

[@ryhs0]

well put.

[@AklepEtan]

She didn’t know chewy wasn’t dead. She did have to deal with that emotion

[@sevibrierley]

@@AklepEtan Yeah, but only for a couple of minutes. There was basically no exploration of her characters reaction to it in that time before it was revealed to her that Chewy was alive.

[@rckblzr]

Abrams is a hack who can't tell a story to save his life without piggybacking on older stories.

[@Samsonfs]

When I was watching that scene in cinema I legitimately audibly went "YES!" because I felt like they were finally going to add some serious weight to the story but then it was immediately reversed :/

[@ccam7802]

JJ : somehow palpatine has a huge fleet of manned warships buried beneath the ice because he just does. Lucas: Palpatine has a large fleet of warships and a grand army because he spent a decade setting up cloning , and creating an artificial conflict to get the senate to put the republic on a wartime footing to pump out weapons, and ships

[@yoface2537]

Ironically the old Legends novels that were the original sequels put even more detail into Palpatine's return than there was in Palpatine's rise, so much so that I actually thought your comment was about that until I noticed that the second half was from George Lucas abd not the Legends novelists because his return heavily involved cloning and other similar details

[@bomes2084]

i love that other creators have to use their own shows (mandalorian s3, the bad batch) have to take up their own time to show all the cloning bs in order to retroactively explain one singular awful decision in rots

[@violetlavi2207]

@@bomes2084 *tros, not rots

[@kolkagaming1234]

With those Huge Fleet of planet exploding star destroyers, Palpatine was going to turn the First Order into a new Empire, the final order.

[@jamesvan2201]

Lucas just took real life and copied that. 😂

[@Goat-on-a-Stick]

Some very good points. I feel like I'm enjoying these criticisms of the sequels more than I enjoyed the movies themselves.

[@tonolinus]

not doubt about it

[@RamielDerLinke]

Same goes for me and the prequels. Mr Plinkett's videos on them are 10 times more entertaining than the movies are themselves.

[@XX-rq2ox]

As many people accros the world.

[@Em022]

Welcome to the dark side!

[@JohnKerbaugh]

How very anti-sequel trilogy of you!

[@joymiller9668]

I always loved the prequels, I’ll never understand why people didn’t, the idea of seeing Anikan become Vader was Fascinating and it brought my ten year old self into my dad’s favorite movies in a unique way. It was great for young millennials. And guess what I understood the political issues and it didn’t bore me. I think if you found it boring,your sense of imagination might not be very good. They were a great story that made you understand the old movies.

[@joymiller9668]

I hate the Disney star wars

[@zoetropeguardian]

​@Neo_Vandole The dialogue is the same across all six films. Check out Everytime Star Wars Quotes Star Wars on here. George uses dialogue more as tone and an anchor for what is going on visually. He's a pure visual filmmaker. The dialogue isn't the important thing.

[@saviletotorres143]

@Neo_Vandole Ok... something that also happens although to a lesser extent in the OT, in those movies I didn't care at all about the conflict either (I liked the empire but I didn't see much more than the destruction of a planet... and when I was little I thought that it was like a city seeing the rest of the planets of the OT... and even then why would I care about that planet?) There are more reasons but I liked the preflights because I cared about Anakin, Obi Wan (mainly)... see the conflict and how the events developed... well it wasn't pretty. And neither the clones nor the soldiers of the empire had personalities... difference? The clones are cool and the droids also have a great variety and when I was a kid I always liked that.

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

I will never get tired of watching dissections over the Stars Wars sequels. They're just the most fascinating, perfect case study for everything NOT to do in a major movie franchise. The state of their sheer existence is baffling, and I'm so happy people can make videos about them even years after they ended. Truly the gifts that keep on giving.

[@thomasg6916]

Theyre so bad its actually funny. If I had said «Somehow Palpatine returned» when I was pretending to be a Jedi while holding a stick in middle school my friends would have laughed at me for saying something so stupid and they had the gall to actually put it in an actual Star Wars movie ahahaha

[@NiklasEngberg]

Hahaha, I was just about to make the EXACT same comment as you. Even call it the gift that keep on giving.

[@joshuakim5240]

Honestly, if you stop seeing the sequel trilogies as Star Wars movies and instead see it as just JJ Abrams' and Rian Johnson's glorified pissing match pretending to use Star Wars props, it becomes hilarious. Then depressing upon remembering these were official and not parody.

[@NiklasEngberg]

@@joshuakim5240 100% agree. I consider the sequels as sort of fan fiction and not actually/officially part of the franchise.

[@NiklasEngberg]

@Monsieur Tarzan Agree.

[@gungaloscrungalo8925]

For me, it all comes down to this: The original trilogy was made because a film maker who loved the industry had a story he wanted to tell, and a world he wanted to bring to life. The prequels, despite their flaws, were made because he had more of that story to tell, and he wanted to expand on that world. The sequels were made because a new corporation had purchased a highly profitable franchise and wanted to make use of the brand. The story? Made up as it went along by different writers/directors. The world? Who cares about the wider mythos? As long it's recognisably Star Wars, people will watch it.

[@nikoc8968]

seriously, THIS^

[@W_PFP]

lightsabers go swish swoosh so its a starwars movie lol

[@KetsubanSolo]

Despite George's claims today, the OT was pretty much winged the whole way. We saw this due to oddities like the Splinter of the Mind's Eye novel, and multiple times in interviews changing how many movies Star Wars is supposed to have. I imagine Disney looked at that creative process from a very surface level perspective and assumed they could make movies with zero planning and make tons of money just because of the Star Wars IP alone.

[@davidhenson1316]

"Despite their flaws" pray do tell

[@gungaloscrungalo8925]

@@davidhenson1316 Just to clarify before explaining what I mean: I love the prequels a lot. They're super over-hated and nitpicked beyond belief. That said, you can't pretend they're flawless or even as well put together as the original trilogy. For me, it comes down to three things: 1) I just find the dialogue and acting super wooden in places. Episode 2's love story for example produced some absolutely vomit-inducing stuff. 2) They lean a lot more into kid friendly stuff and dumb slapstick humor that tend to distract from story and tension, particularly in Episodes 1 and 2. Jar Jar through Episode 1, 3P0 and R2 in the Droid factory in 2, the shenanigans with the droids at the beginning of 3... I could personally do without that kind of stuff. 3) The pacing can be pretty messy. I find Ep. 1 to be enjoyable for it's high points, but it's a bit of a slog. Then you get to the Maul fight, one of the best fights in the saga, and it has to compete for screen time with young Anakin spouting lame, annoying dialogue as he flies an N-1 Starfighter, another example of the more kiddy stuff. That aside though, I love the prequels. The good they bring to the franchise far, far outweighs the flaws I described for me.

[@robertoaraya910]

"JJ Abrams had to assemble enough activity to take up 2 hours of every audience member's life". This is the most scathing critique of Rise of Skywalker without using the word "garbage" I've ever heard, and I love it.

[@flamingdasher5874]

i also love the for a split second in the last jedi critic he shows "anti-men" for a very brief second before it changes to anti-poe

[@JeezusTheGoat]

I read this comment as he said it nice

[@BP-dn9nv]

A garbage film would probably be a better experience because that would leave a lasting impression.

[@ralos329]

I still can’t get over the Sith dagger stuff

[@YoutubesFromWayback]

Sick 🔥 burn

[@yamakashii]

Evil does not create anything new, it just twists what was already there...

[@Imperials3nate]

No point here that wasn't addressed with more substance in the video. Please go home.

[@curriphacreator]

@@Imperials3nate he can have his opinion. And I personally agree with it.

[@jaceyking5015]

This is probably the most succinct and eloquent critique of the Sequels I've yet heard. AND the editing was brilliant. Honestly, bravo! 👏

[@freebandz4332]

I would say no, MauLer’s critique of the sequels are for more in depth.

[@chrisbenson6753]

Honestly some of the best Star Wars content on KZbin. So uncivilized finds the words and explanation for why Star Wars movies make me feel the way I do about them but could never find the way to articulate it.

[@buho_producciones]

@John Barlow Sadly, this video havent spanish subtitles

[@freebandz4332]

@John Barlow I’ve seen those videos, they were very eye opening.

[@suningchen]

Star Wars - A Critique Of The Sequels by DX is pretty good too.

[@everglow101]

Ok, for Rise of Skywalker, there's another note I gotta add. In Rise of Skywalker, they undid Anakin's fulfillment of the prophecy. Anakin was prophecized to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the force. In Episode VI, Anakin destroys Palpatine and restores balance to the force. Rise of Skywalker completely undoes that and makes it Rey's prophecy. Personally, I find that stupid

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

Lucas was gonna do the EXACT same thing, so your point doesn't' really matter much. Not being rude, just trying to frame your comment with some facts.

[@everglow101]

@@EdgeOfEntropy17 Hey, not offended at all, cool little thing to know actually

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

@@everglow101 Yeah, Lucas had Leia being the Chosen One. I didn't like that idea at all, but they did the same thing with the sequel trilogy, so what are we to do, really? Like you said, it was stupid.

[@endless_limes]

@@EdgeOfEntropy17 the whole idea of a chosen one was retarded to begin with. Did Vader have to be a space Jesus at all? There's a million reasons why the PT sucks donkey balls, but putting an unoriginal "you will bring balance" prophecy is probably the lamest thing they could've done

[@dereklopez9060]

Exactly, They didn't even bother having Anakin talk to his son in TLJ about how he handled Ben Solo. They didn't even bother having Anakin redeeming Ben Solo in TROS which it would've made so much more narrative sense. I'm so bummed out that it didn't happened, such a waste.

[@megasean3000]

What baffles me is they didn’t need to do any of this. They could have picked literally _any_ story from the expanded universe to adapt and run with that. We wanted to learn more about the new republic and new Jedi Council, but all we got was a rehash of the first three movies.

[@WaryObserver]

That is the biggest gripe people have, the erasing of Legends, I mean if I take the Jedi Knight games for example, we had new Jedi and such, Kyle Katarn, etc. Worst in my eyes story wise is also how they fucking used Fortnite of all things with a timed exclusive event to tell how Palpatine returned as well. Those Sequels are a fucking mess.

[@LakesideTrey]

@@WaryObserverI don't have a huge problem with the canon reset. I convinced pretty much all of my friends that the reset was a good thing by pointing out all the stupid shit in legends that needed to be filtered out, like palpatine returning, and the Galaxy gun. Then the sequels somehow took the worst parts of legends and made them movies, while ignoring all of the amazing stuff legends had to offer. I was expecting a situation where the new clone wars overrode 2003 clone wars. My expectations were incorrect.

[@ergob3907]

@@LakesideTrey In 2015 I was "Good! Clean timeline no more Dark Empire, Jedi Prince, Super weapons of the week and overpowered new jedi protagonists and writers trying to one-up each other!" Then literally everything I didn't like in Legends came back worse. At least in legends Luke, Han, and Leia actually had character development instead of Han regressing back to being a smuggler, Leia going back to being part of a small rebel cell, and Luke just giving up on family, redemption, and does an edgy version of Yoda's arc.

[@palmereldritch_6669]

I know right? Timothy Zahn had some great ideas. Dark Empire comic series was awesome. So much fertile ground, but no vision for the greater story arc. JJ Abrams will die rich, but also poor.

[@sellers737]

@@WaryObserver the jedi knight games especially dark forces II would make absolutely incredible movies! but sadly as long as disney owns it I don't think I'd ever watch another star wars movie again :/

[@mikesmithz]

"Nope. Gone. History. Moving forward". I'm with ya George, couldn't agree more!

[@MegaCygnusX1]

The Disney "trilogy" is what happens when a room full of executives are so eager to exploit their newly acquired golden goose, that they rush to market with no vision beyond dollar signs. These films were never about characters, history, themes, or laying a new foundation for the future. They were about marketing, profits, and putting as little creative thought into the process as possible.

[@mightyraptor01]

As Ive been replying with a lot about this and with Disney that company is gonna be the last company to go under because they literally are a kids company and pretty more childish which is why the Star Wars sequel Trilogies are just made childish for the sake of money and if the people who help made this garbage weren't obsessed with greed or following an agenda or even trying to fit for something that turns into a monster they wouldn't wanted to make this shit. I know some might Argue Rogue One and Clone Wars Season 7 was all get but after that there was no point in continuing content after so long as the monopoly woke mouse (CEOs) is also responsible to damage of franchises they never created.

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

They have lost millions if not billions when they kept insulting and attacking a huge portion of the fan base by inserting identity politics. This was never just about making money.

[@mightyraptor01]

@@Ricardo-cl3vs And after Firing Gina that should of been the straw for everybody Nerdrotic and Geeks and Gamers point out. For all I care I think anything on Mouse Company should just be watched pirated the company deserves to loose money the way they act, both online and on advertising.

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

@@mightyraptor01 Couldn't agree more.

[@miracle_grrrl_mira]

@@Ricardo-cl3vs this is a company that refused to insert a gay romance even when the director and actors wanted it. they were hesitant to put a female lead and a black male lead in the same film, and JJ had to spend nine months convincing them. all of their decisions are about money and misguided market research.

[@undonesolid]

When Rey called herself,”Rey skywalker” I cringed. Because I either expected her to say,”Rey Palpatine” showing everyone that good can rise from evil. Or for her to make her own name. Showing that she is creating a new legacy for the Jedi. But no, she’s trying to continue a name she doesn’t even own.

[@BLACULA-Skeewoah]

I genuinely laughed out loud in the theatre when she said it... I still haven't rewatched that mess and star wars meant the fucking world to me growing up

[@starcityrc3298]

Sort of what it's about. For this Woke crap to steal existing IP and to twist it

[@FuryanJedi13]

@@BLACULA-Skeewoah Same here. Now, tragically, it means nothing to me.

[@BookofFuture]

Sounds like fan fiction if you ask me

[@anatoleleconte9698]

I mean, like it was said in the video, I liked the 7th, the 8th too... But damn, Rey Skywalker ? Really ?

[@Kenji_195]

24:23 "It's sort of poetic, though. That for all these movies' efforts to leave behind the legacy of George Lucas, *he's* the one who's moved on, and they're still standing right back were it all started." This whole video was pleasant to watch and listen, my respects

[@acidrain92]

Except what has Lucas moved on to? If anything, filmmakers like Rian Johnson and Abrams are the ones continuously making new shit haha

[@pnyhmsmx]

The point is that George Lucas doesn't spends time creating content that either criticizes Star Wars or Disney as movies. Or even making a movie that's a carbon copy of Star Wars. While Disney Star Wars trilogy was obsessed with George Lucas whether by hating him or his ideas. Yet they ended up copying what he had done in some form. Remember Star Wars episode 4 was the first film so it had nothing to its name. Now Disney might just end up with a Star Wars that has nothing to its name. Poetry, it rhymes

[@uncannyvalley2350]

@@acidrain92 Jesus vested interest much? Are you really JJ Abrams? He's right, rather than create a legacy they went scorched earth and burned every bridge. They got so contradictory you can't say anything about Star Wars that hasn't already been subverted. Now that's irony

[@kaminoz]

@@acidrain92 nah the sequels were a bootleg version of the original trilogy

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

I love the cheek. SO many reviewers force feed us this concept that "you only started liking the prequels in hindsight after the sequels" - not at all. There's no need to be reductive and cynical. I always took Star Wars as a childlike romp with mostly TERRIBLE execution and some ingenuity, and prequels were the perfect continuation of that. Also, being bookish, I never gave the originals this random benefit of doubt that its courtroom scenes are "less boring" or something, I actually liked Episode 1 quite a bit. Episode 2 is less appealing than Empire, but it's not MORE meandering and aimless, they're about the same. Even the romantic scenes are more like pandering to the Titanic formula (awful movie if you ask me), in place of manufacturing this overblown family melodrama, no matter how iconic it eventually became. It really seems like manchildren just are more familiar with daddy issues than with first dates, so the PANDERING is hit and miss. Also by the time I saw the films, I think I was too young to even see the prequels in theaters, I had read enough war romances to find the original WW2 allegory pretty bland and recycled. SO much of Star Wars fandom seems to coast purely on being the first experience of stuff like this, to people who become obsessive about it and never bother expanding their horizons to the second, because all credit must flow to Star Wars. Zero appreciation for viewing multiple examples and appreciating the nuance in different executions. -.-.- Probably goes hand in hand with spoiler culture, which I never tolerated well because all it seems to be about is who dies, and becomes permanently unavailable for plot incidences. But major life changing events and PERSONAL issues get brushed off like it's nothing, it's just trivia that the character should just ignore and be too cool for like Snake Plissken. Like actual events you LIVE through are just meaningless, not spoilers at all, because the audience will pretty much pretend it didn't happen and shouldn't affect the character at all, if that's their head canon. Every experience that actually builds your CHARACTER is just nothing, whether it did or didn't happen. Just all in day's work, for an adventurer. It's pretty amazing that JUST Vader being Luke's father EVEN MATTERS, like they found this ONE THING that spoiler culture actually recognizes as meaning ANYTHING. Not that they explore what difference does it make. Luke didn't even think of Anakin as a war hero until Obi-Wan implanted the idea in his head, and manufactured the situation where his father had killed his mentor. The Jedi always pull this manipulative shit, it's kinda disturbing that's the idea of "the good side" he runs off with in Return of the Jedi. Maybe he doesn't, maybe "like my father before me" means he embraces moral ambiguity and calls THAT "Jedi".

[@nintony2994]

"chewbaca gets a medal ...Even though all his friends are dead" LMFAO

[@theonlyairconditioner]

Not to mention that wookies don't need or want medals. Which is why he wasn't given 1 in a new hope. True Star Wars fans should know that.

[@nintony2994]

@@theonlyairconditioner fair enough. Though I'm just a casual star wars fan. I don't know too much about lore or anything

[@theonlyairconditioner]

@nintony2994 truth is, so am I. I just happened to see an interview with Lucas where he said that. To me, only the George Lucas movies are real star wars. Everything else is just a different universe of Star Wars.

[@jakebocskovits7426]

“Running away from your own franchise creates more problems than it solves.” Loved your analysis on this.

[@J.Wiki23]

I heard that & thought of Ubisofts Assassins Creed series 🙃

[@thomashanson9173]

Or how the Sonic meta era ruined what made that franchise awesome and turned it into some childish lame story.

[@OgaugeTrainsplusslotCars]

I taking over the star wars franchise. Check out the Newest star War movie on My channel.

[@andrewchr]

In their struggle to put down the prequels, they managed to put them in a much better light.

[@katakesh8566]

"Ironic, they could save others from death. But not themselves"

[@KororaPenguin]

@@katakesh8566 In the immortal words of Shakespeare: "I like thy wit well, i'faith."

[@kayzeaza]

The prequels were always good. If you only like the prequels because the sequels were bad than you’re a scumbag IMO

[@andrewchr]

@@kayzeazaI always loved the prequels.. but I' m also a scumbag for other unrelated reasons :)

[@OmniMon94]

​@@andrewchrsame Because it's a simple Anakin dies and Vader comes story

[@EscathonEdits]

"The promise of this trilogy, is that it would keep the Star Wars trilogy alive for another generation. But to keep a creative work alive... you have to create things, and It's clear, looking at this trilogy, that nothing was built here." Perfectly described.

[@victor4782]

Indeed. If anything, they demolished more than built.

[@kommandobosssnikrot9283]

Ah, good ol' J.J. I've never made anything good in my life Abrams, you never fail to disappoint.

[@VaguelyOminous]

My main problem with palpatine coming back is it makes the first 6 movies pointless, every death and plot point that built up to the emperors death was just totally nullified and irrelevant because palpatine just came back.

[@kidprime6863]

It made a lot more sense in Legends with him being cloned. But here, he.....reconstituted his body or something. It should've been Darth Plagius returning. He made Palpatine.

[@JosephWolfson]

@@kidprime6863it would have been cool to see the devil behind the devil

[@FunFacts1212]

Fun fact, this is why the only way I’ll accept the Sequel Trilogy, it is being a non-canon spinoff

[@sgt.squirtle2528]

​@@FunFacts1212Disney and Abrams picked one of the worst parts of the EU and somehow made it even worse.

[@danieldalton6544]

That’s why Star Wars ends with Return of the Jedi. These sequels don’t exist in my universe.

[@Ncella91]

Imagine not only having access to George Lucas, but also throwing out his already written plans for Ep 7-9 because you think you can do it better than the actual creator. Actual clowns at Disney.

[@ZeroFilmClips]

Perhaps they looked at the terrible scripts he had just turned into terrible prequels. Try to remember NO ONE liked those films when they were released, and Lucas was seen as a laughing stock who had ruined his own creation.

[@Ncella91]

@@ZeroFilmClips Plenty of people liked the prequels. To say literally no one liked them is crazy. Regardless there's a difference between the original creator doing something fans don't like and a giant corporation like Disney buying it and ruining the IP.

[@ZeroFilmClips]

@@Ncella91 That is simply not the case. Upon release, they were viewed as a disaster, not just by hard-core Star Wars fans, but by the general movie-going public. It was genuinely rare to find someone who claimed to like them. When The Force Awakens was released it was broadly liked, and Star Wars was seen as being 'saved' from Lucas, with lots "Star Wars is back!" type headlines. Although the following films have split the fans, I doubt casual movie-goers are even aware that the sequels are so hated by a section of the fans. The Last Jedi, clearly the most divisive film, has always had a great many passionate defenders in the way the prequels never had. Some may find it useful to forget how the prequels, and Lucas, were viewed. and to conveniently forget how much of a disaster the prequels were, but it won't wash. Lucas was seen as a liability who had ruined his creation with three awful films. Later, Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull only diminished his reputation even further. Remember, Lucas sold Lucasfilm for a reason. "Why should I continue? The fans are so mean!".

[@EvaOwnsAll]

Imagine having access to the original core cast as well, and never getting them all in the same room again. I mean... For a company that definitely tried to cash in on this, boy, that was a seriously missed opportunity. Hell, they could have just assassinated all their characters simultaneously then. Saved themselves some time. Just throw the old cast on a mission together, fail it, then have the young ones come in as do it. Or better, do it while saving the old ones, with plenty of insults along the way. This is the Disney way.

[@constantk8780]

​@@ZeroFilmClips nobody viewed them as disasters. Where are you even getting that idiotic perspective. At the time, a few people groaned about the kiddish stuff in episode 1. That's about it.

[@Tolik7-z6w]

My biggest Problem with the sequels is that Anakins prophecy, which was builded up in the prequels thoroughly, was completely destroyed, because Palpatine returned and so his sacrifice was for nothing

[@darknessdescending6695]

Exactly. Both trilogies were ruined in one line. “ SomEhOw PalPatInE’s ReTuRed!”

[@honourabledoctoredwinmoria3126]

I definitely hate that. But it's hard to say if it is the biggest problem, when there are so many others.

[@berkaltuglu8140]

He won too. Rey is technically can be used by him as a force conduit

[@masterimaginariumdooblepop7592]

I actually find that Anakin's failure to kill Palpatine as thematically appropriate, he was meant to be the chosen one and he degenerated into a child-killing, planet destroying, authoritarian fascist. He was crippled, mangled and enslaved to the will of the Emperor. Vader was nothing but a high-powered mook in the end and I feel as though his failure to slay the emperor worked because he was a Sith and murdering the Emperor doesn't absolve him of murdering millions or possibly BILLIONS of people. However, I find that his sacrifice wasn't for nothing because he managed to save Luke, his beloved son and regain some measure of his humanity in the process. His part in the prophecy wasn't to kill the emperor, he saved his son who would go on to train the next generation of Jedi and they (Rey) would defeat the Emperor for good.

[@darknessdescending6695]

@@masterimaginariumdooblepop7592 I guess that makes some sense. It still doesn’t fix the fact that the prophecy explicitly stated that he would kill Palpatine though.

[@QuidamByMoonlight]

I actually watched this twice. This is the best KZbin video I’ve ever watched explaining succinctly exactly why the sequel trilogy was such a huge miss, and as a three-part series, even comes across as self-hating as well as hating Star Wars while trying to cheaply, and expensively, imitate it. Seriously great work!

[@Mikedegot]

I still can't believe the best they could come up with was Snoke, Ben Solo, and Palpatine. How can you be in the movie making business and have such a limited imagination?

[@joshrandor4371]

Lol..they didn't even need imagination. There was tons of material to pull from...

[@NEkromanT33]

Snoke has potential, Ben Solo carried the whole... ehm... anti-trilogy and Palpatine was straight up break-in-case-of-emergency button

[@ketercharles8584]

nepotism. corporate ladder climbing than talent. etc

[@ashaide]

And that lack of imagination is even more horrible when you remember that the new parent company of Lucasarts has an actual job title called "Imagineer"

[@Mrcookieonyt]

To quote Tolkien: Evil cannot create or make new. It can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have made or invented.

[@toxic_icecream]

The only film of Disney era that felt like star wars to me was, surprisingly, the Rogue One. And only now I think I understand why. Just like you said, it showed something new.

[@HellGrimo]

Rouge One is an effigy of a movie, with nameless puppets for characters doomed from the very start. Not making it a character study with way smaller cast completely misses the point of what the film supposed to be.

[@galegopaulista4564]

Rogue One also doesn't take away from any previous elements of the Star Wars franchise, nor makes them worse in any way. In fact, you could go as far as to say that the movie actually adds to said previous elements in interesting ways, such as how it explains the small mistake on the Death Star, or the new troops and the planet of Scarif.

[@Account.for.Comment]

@@HellGrimo Rick Evans "the dirty secrets of the Star Wars Universe is that it is LIMITED". Rogue One, is a film a Star Wars fan would have made. George Lucas made his films, no matter how much you may hate the quality, with a passion and ambition to tell the story of his own life. Rogue One is not as good as them, but it is solidly well-made fan film IMO. It is an overrated, easily forgettable trash though. People still remembered minor stuffs in TPM and AotC but everyone sort of forget or try to forget Disney faster than the prequels.

[@JoeLoquacious]

@@galegopaulista4564 OMGG GUYSS, I found a HUGE SNEAK PEEK FOR STAR WARS EPISODE 10!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2WVc4l_pdh0bM0…

[@holdwhatdoor7629]

@@galegopaulista4564 Its also a different type of movie than any other previous star wars movie. It was actually a spy/war movie and it explored the mythos of star wars more than any of the Sequel movies (apart from possibly the Last Jedi, which had some tangible depth in regards to the Force and the Jedi and their failure). It was also a much darker movie than any other Star Wars because it explored the grey area between the good and bad, light and dark. Every character is culpable of helping both sides in the movie. Jyn's father worked for the empire to build the death star, but he also tried to escape that life and undermined its ultimate construction with a way to destroy it. Bodhi the pilot was an Imperial pilot who defected and tried to make amends by trying to fight against the Empire he served. Saw Gerrera - was an extremist that attacked both the remnants of the rebellion and the empire. Both parties were wary of him Cassian - was a rebel spy who killed indiscriminately when it came to preserving the mission and the ultimate goal of ending the Empire. K2SO - was a reprogrammed imperial droid that worked for the rebellion. The Rebel Alliance - Opposed the empire, but was unwilling to oppose it collectively when faced with its ultimate destruction. The movie gets its name from the moment when the (anti)heroes rebel against the supposed rebel alliance, the went rogue from the diplomatic committee that refused to stand against the empire, even Admiral Raddus had to rebel against the very organization that was supposedly fighting the empire. The brilliance of Rogue One was that it adhered to the themes of the original trilogy, while telling a slightly different style of story, and explored what the actual personal cost of standing up to a fascistic regime. Every hero dies in the end, something that never happens in a star wars movie and their sacrifice is directly responsible (narratively) for the original trilogy to embark. It had mostly the right mix of nostalgia while exploring the philosophy and background of star wars. That's just my opinion on it, though. I still find it the only disney star wars movie that I have the desire to rewatch every year or two.

[@atb2674]

I feel like George Lucas has made his peace with the franchise. He let go of it, probably feeling like he tarnished his own creation, to let it grow beyond his influence. Yet his absence was felt and his vision was sorely missed, so now he is more appreciated than ever and there is better star wars ahead of. Now the fanbase understand his message within the saga better because of it.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

That's because Lucas is a true Jedi. He loves but he's not afraid to let go.

[@MisterDutch93]

I do think that series such as the Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Bad Batch and the last Clone Wars season try to tap into that same vision that George Lucas had. Sure, it’s not entirely on the same level and (let’s be honest) full of nostalgic references, it’s still mostly good stuff. At least it’s refreshing to see Disney build on the Star Wars legacy rather than breaking it down. I believe that SW as a property is in good hands with people such as Favreau and Filoni. They might not be as daring as Lucas when it comes to expanding the sotry, but they do come close to what SW was when Lucas was still in charge of it.

[@nekoali2]

@@MisterDutch93 Dave Filoni I think still talks to Lucas about ideas with the shows to make sure they jive with his original vision. I know they talked extensively during the Clone Wars before the Disney buy out to make sure that he was honoring George's ideas about the Star Wars. Dave, Jon and Bryce Dallas Howard are the three to watch going forward. The ones who can give us new stories with enough ties and respect to what has come before.

[@gsamalot]

I can agree with that hell people got alot more respect to the prequal films, as back then people just rag on them so much, now their alot more respect for them and what the story they tried to make back then

[@shawnshazam1912]

Well I certainly didn't miss the cringy dialogue and undercooked character development of the prequels or the weird incest subplot of the originals. George Lucas had a great idea for a fictional universe but his character writing is weird at best. Not that the sequels were any more entertaining. In fact I have forgotten them already.

[@picivyvortac2641]

I still cannot get over the fact that they hired people to write movies with no plan. Johnson literally said he wrote TLJ before seeing TFA script. How can you let that happen? As a studio, how can you let that happen?

[@captainkaiii]

"Ironically, making a movie that truly felt like Star Wars would have probably meant making something different than anything Star Wars had been before." EXACTLY! This rings true for all the mediums that the franchise has actually been successful in - including offshoots like Clone Wars, Mandalorian, and Rebels. George's vision was always centered around the importance of the story and how the characters evolve within that story, across different styles and mediums. The sequels failed because they couldn't create a sensible, compelling story within which to develop characters into relatable personas who we'd actually care about and be emotionally invested in. They cared far too much about the 'narrative' and not enough about the plot - there was too much focus on 'doing it right' (at least in the way JJ/Rian perceived things as 'right', though they were way off base) instead of faithfully carrying on the legacy in the way George would have wanted.

[@Oli.V]

The mandalorian, which seems to be the only Star Wars thing Star Wars fans have liked in decades, is wildly different form the rest of Star Wars, it’s a western and lacks a lot of a fantasy that Star Wars is know for. People comment a lot that Din is just a side character in the grand story unfolding around him, which is exactly what he is. He’s not a skywalker, hes not a Jedi or a sith, hes not rebellion or empire or anything. This is kinda what worries be about them introducing Luke. Based off of the latest book of boba fett episode (episode 6) It not only seems that they very poorly understand Luke character (albeit in a different way than the sequels mistook it) but don’t understand what made the first season of the mandalorian so enjoyable. It’s the version of Star Wars that thinks about motive and plot and stories as old as time, without all the mess that the main story of Star Wars has become.

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

You mean like the prequels? Lmaoooo. Last time they did something different they were lambasted for 2 decades.

[@odinatra]

Case in point, Rogue One. Very different from traditional Star Wars and was a sucess.

[@RR70actionTRS]

I heard the Disney Star Wars trilogy was an ultimate hit below the belt to Star Wars fans. Numbers of people don't consider Disney's version of Star Wars as canon, especially with Kathleen Kennedy at the helm as an influence.

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

@@RR70actionTRS "Canon is for idiots" -George Lucas

[@trevordavis5053]

The "anti-trilogy" is a great title. Toss this monstrosity into the "legends" category, say it happened in another universe, and start over with a new episode 7.

[@trevordavis5053]

@red racer Well, I'm not too big on the prequels, but I didn't hate them. I'd rather have them than not have them. I wish the Disney sequels had never been made, however. I read the Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn, and although I didn't like everything about them, I vastly prefer them over Disney's trainwreck.

[@delta2372]

I take it you hate the old expanded universe then if you want to bump the sequels in with them?

[@trevordavis5053]

@@delta2372 What I said was I preferred the Zahn Trilogy over Disney's sequels. I was making a distinction between the two, not lumping them together.

[@veb_edvard]

@@trevordavis5053 The prequels bring about more emotion and tension compared to the original trilogy. I cry like I lost someone I love when I watch Revenge of the Sith, its that heart wrenching...

[@pwnmeisterage]

@@veb_edvard It seems that most people think "canon" = "good". I prefer to think "canon" = "money" and "branding" and "licensing" and "merchandising" and "ownership". There are great stories and great lore, awful stories and awful lore - both in "canon" and out of "canon". But the stories and lores which are shamelessly obvious moneygrabs tend to be vandalism and garbage.

[@darthjam1536]

Fans: You are a trilogy, but we do not grant you the rank of canon. The Sequels: what? this is outrageous, it’s unfair. How can you be a trilogy, and not be canon? Fans: take a seat, Disney.

[@mastercheeks2]

Young Disney

[@SevereWeatherQuester2005]

"Every Single Expanded Universe Article, including your friend, George Lucas, is now an ENEMY Of Star Wars!" -California, to Disney

[@kmarasin]

Then Disney goes and murders some younglings

[@reek4062]

Disney bought Star Wars: the sequels are just as canon as the prequels are

[@marcosassari5603]

@@reek4062 What sequels?

[@JohnDaker35p]

I have to come by every so often to rewatch this. This video is so well done, it feels like a movie all on its own.

[@Aristocles22]

They had 40 years of material and yet they said they "had nothing to work with." They practically had Timothy Zahn's books giftwrapped, and all they had to do was adapt them, but they chose a botched retelling of the originals without ANY of the substance which made those three good.

[@evanbao93]

They did have something to work out with even if without Legends. The simple premise of Rey becoming a Skywalker and Luke's daughter (at least by spirit if not blood) is a trilogy that write itself. But no, they didn't want to build trilogy out of that until "Oops, we have no idea how the Sequel Trilogy is supposed to end the Saga." By then, they screwed up her journey.

[@RicardoAGuitar]

I thought the Zahn trilogy was good, but that story was out there and known. The idea of presenting something new was a good one, but the few new ideas we got from the PT were terrible. From that perspective, and with that hindsight, it would have been better if they'd just filmed the Zahn trilogy. But they would have screwed that up too.

[@War450]

@@RicardoAGuitar "The story was out there and known". Like, say, Game of Thrones? Lord of The Rings? Harry Potter? Adaptations are not a new thing and can be wildly successful if done with heart and passion.

[@Aristocles22]

@@RicardoAGuitar Only serious fans knew of the Zahn books. The average audience had no idea.

[@uglystupidloser]

Everyone wanted to leave their own stamp on it. Which... isn't surprising. We're just supposed to watch it burn down.

[@RTL2L]

Absolutely right about these movies being Anti-Lucas first. Kathleen was doing everything in her power to disntance from him. They even built a new theme park around characters and time line no one cares.

[@MrVictor1227]

@BK Beatty Its unfair

[@memestream8929]

still love the theme park area though, just for atmosphere

[@blondetapperware8289]

I wouldn't say no one cares about it. People still go to it and I for one really like it. It's neat that the children who grew up with these as their first films, even if those films arent perfect, get an experience to actually feel like they are a part from them.

[@genenatalejr.3593]

@@blondetapperware8289 the new films aren't just "imperfect", they're soulless abominations.

[@blondetapperware8289]

@@genenatalejr.3593 Okay, but that's your opinion

[@thehumanity0]

In my opinion, the Clone Wars series was the only "antidote"/support device that the prequels needed. If Disney wanted an "antidote", they should've kept giving Dave Filoni and George Lucas the reigns on every project they brought forward. Lucas may stumble sometimes as a director or writing dialogue, but his stories are always gems, even if they sometimes need polishing.

[@movieswithmatticus5469]

So you're telling me that George Lucas is so great it took a TV series 133 episodes to make the prequels shine?

[@gabethebabe3337]

@@movieswithmatticus5469 No it only took one season. Everything after was just icing on the cake

[@TheNewGuy19]

@@movieswithmatticus5469 nah bruv that shit is the best ever made

[@yeeoof1995]

@@movieswithmatticus5469 you're wrong

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Well George is not good at dialogue or directing or executing his ideas but he is really solid at world building and giving the story the structure and bones that it needs. And Dave is really good at executing George’s ideas and making them comprehensible. The Clone Wars show that the prequels could have actually been remarkable if it had a better director and screenwriter.

[@RPWhitworth]

Making a second comment on the same video just to say - this is one of the most insightful video essays I've ever seen, and your one on LOTR was too. The way you interject clips of characters exactly echoing your points is incredible, and it makes every argument feel grounded and fair. Nicely done

[@PrestonSikes]

"Star wars was the tragedy of Darth Vader. The story is over now. Vader is dead" - George Lucas

[@mikeprice7124]

I find it interesting that the tragedy of Darth Plaguis foreshadowed Anakin’s. His strength, ObiWan & Padme made Anakin powerful. The only thing he feared was losing his power. And he was usurped by the man he trusted most.

[@allenjones3130]

I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Lucas that the "Star Wars" saga ended when Darth Vader passed on.

[@rudewalrus5636]

@@allenjones3130 ... And yet, George Lucas had a vision for a nine-chapter story from very early on. I can't help but wonder where the story would have take us if he had been in charge of the sequels. I for one believe we would have gotten something new. For one thing, whatever else you might want to say about Lucas, he was a coherent story-teller. Unlike the hot mess the actual sequels turned out to be.

[@iamacatperson7226]

​@@rudewalrus5636 I heard that the villain of the sequels, before star wars got sold to Disney of course, was going to be Darth Maul, which I think would have been so much better than what we have now

[@virgogaming6488]

@@iamacatperson7226 I wish we would've gotten that trilogy instead, with Daisy and Adam as Kira and Sam.

[@flash_goofed_1638]

I still cannot believe that Luke, Han, and Leia never had a scene altogether in this entire trilogy

[@SB-hn2ld]

All by DIS design. Horribly written woke and feminazi films.

[@GanjaBro99]

What a huge missed chance 😢

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

Not even as force ghosts

[@Aleph3575]

That's because the only reason they were there was to be gotten rid of for the new characters to leech legitimacy off of them. They were literal shells of their former characters and not just because the actors were 30+ years older.

[@magiccookies420]

This trilogy was the biggest ball drop in cinema history by a long shot. Just so embarrassing on Disney‘s part. Everyone and their grandma was seated in the theater for TFA. Fucking fumbled.

[@nightace3027]

Imagine if Finn just was the main character and the movies were about a rogue stormtrooper somehow defeating the odds and toppling an empire, with careful planning and good smart forms of attack that were more about attacking the weak points in an empire rather than out numbering them, not only would it be pretty different from the other starwars movies, but if done correctly could have been a hell of a lot better than the "Anti-Trilogy"

[@asabovesobelow7461]

Tbh I was hoping Rey to turn to the dark side with Kylo in the 2nd one so that Finn could become the real last jedi and be the hero of this trilogy. My man had the force from the beginning and they didn't even broach the subject!

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

Finn was the one truly new thing in The Force Awakens and by far my favourite character. And he is utterly thrown to the sidelines.

[@NoName-hy6xj]

He had the biggest potential from the sequels

[@seg162]

They would have screwed it up, still.

[@AchedSphinx]

they totally passed on that child soldier's brainwashed angle with the storm troopers. finn was such a huge missed opportunity. he just became a comic relief sidekick by the end.

[@asukadefender6711]

just a side point but i keep thinking “man i love this guy’s narration”. your tone & subtle accent & cadence is so enjoyable to listen to !!!! you rock and should be on the radio

[@armandom.s.1844]

The greatest part came in 19:48 when Rey uses the Force for healing which was the impossible power promised to Anakin to save Padme that finally turned him into dark side. Yeah, that power that never existed because you can not save people from death with the Force and was Palpatine final deception to corrupt Anakin. Somehow it existed.

[@Jediblue11]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

[@mythic6632]

This is a reach. Anakin was seeking a way to bring Padme back to life. Not just heal her, but revive her. Force healing is just an extremely rare ability that only highly trained force users or special entities have. The degrees of healing vary also. Many Jedi may have the knowledge of it and may only be able to heal minor wounds. There are only a handful of force users that can actually use force heal on a practical level. Rey just happens to be one of them, since Disney is pushing her to be the next chosen one/main character. Grogu is another recent one thats also reasonable imo. Grogu is only a child and will still stay that way for a long time. He also doesn’t train and easily gets worn out after using any force abilities. The Sequel trilogy is a whole lotta stink, but low the force heal.

[@MetalFan9490]

This is a good point in that she shouldn’t have just ‘adapted’ to get the power, but the power did exist in the history of the sith and (I am pretty sure not positive) only the sith. I don’t remember if Darth Plagueis had the power but if he didn’t there were a few other sith that did. Palpatine might have even had the power because I thought that he used it to keep Vader alive on Mustafar so he didn’t die before the suit was put on.

[@armandom.s.1844]

@@Jediblue11 it was a Dark Side hidden power, if it existed. But suddenly the perfect jedi Rey got it in a hole to heal an irrelevant animal, without training and without need to turn into the Dark Side.

[@WarFoxThunder]

​@@armandom.s.1844Yeah fr!

[@StarWarsTheory]

Very well made video. Your points are well through out and you back up your claims. Really enjoyed watching. Ps great editing.

[@tree7518]

Cool to see you here Theory

[@intel6947]

The legend himself! We deserved real Star Wars, not this shit Disney gave us!

[@JJohnston4Life]

The series has been done well. Would love to see Filoni and Favro do the next movie with Lucas invovled if possible

[@andrewclute3145]

Yo the legend of Star Wars KZbin channels approves must be good.

[@davidlance4683]

It’s the GOAT

[@adrano_]

Loved that ending quote: "For all these movies' efforts to leave behind the legacy of George Lucas, he's the one that moved on and they're still standing right back where it all started." Beautifully put. While Disney, Abrams, and Johnson all tried to make Star Wars better than GL and things "for the fans" they ended up demonstrating how truly excellent Lucas' work was and how petulant and ungrateful Star Wars fans acted towards Lucas. I guess that's the only thing Disney Star Wars did that is truly worth praising.

[@darthgamer9861]

never forget the legions of “critics” and “true fans” that drove Lucas to sell Star Wars. never forget how they cheered when he did it.

[@jnkazee2526]

Good quotable writing in this video. My favorite part was "Don't Worry about Abrams, after all, he got what he wanted out of this trilogy. Star Wars....free of George Lucas ". Its such a biting zinger that really gets to the heart of how this anti trilogy happened I don't think that only applies to Abrams. A lot of fans and even corporations, technically, got what they ultimately wanted after the prequels.

[@supernerd8067]

I sadly was one of these fans. I grew up with and still love the Prequels, but I became convinced by fans and online critics that new Star Wars needed to do what the OT did instead of the Prequels. I came to regret it all once I saw Episode 9. I did my best to be optimistic through the criticism of The Last Jedi and my lack of interest and joy when I saw The Force Awakens, but I came to dislike everything when I saw the final chapter. The coherency was gone and the full picture was not good.

[@jnkazee2526]

@@darthgamer9861 it was a joint effort by corporations. Remember, Lucasfilm technically, was an independent film studio. It just was established and extremely successful at a time were it could become so big and sustainable on its on without a corporate studio. The first 6 films are the most expensive independent films ever in cinema.

[@jnkazee2526]

@@supernerd8067 a lot of corporations played a role in that. There would be multiple big media outlets spreading that propaganda against Lucasfilm via TV shows(e.g. South Park, How I Met Your Mother). One guy on a podcast astutely said referring to fans frustrated with the prequels "disliking them is fine, but you didn't hate the prequels primarily cause of your on opinion, you really hated the prequels because NBC, Disney, or Time Warner etc. TOLD you to hate the prequels"

[@villesanti1]

This is one of the best Star Wars sequel trilogy analyses I've seen.

[@leonthesleepy]

I feel sad for the people working on the sequel trilogy. I mean at the VERY least, the art team, camera crew, actors, and lots of people really gave it their all. But the writing was so.......trash

[@WestCoastCFB]

you’re exactly right the production quality and all the superficial elements were nailed but the quality writing and overall soul was missing

[@MelancoliaI]

Star Wars is best left to live on in smaller pieces of entertainment based in the rich lore of the expanded universe. Massive, corporate, market-research and ego-driven nostalgia juggernauts have failed the saga. An example of Star Wars done the right way is the original Knights of the Old Republic. I felt truly immersed in the story and was fascinated by its detailed plot, characters, and settings, which felt new to me yet rang true to the spirit of Star Wars.

[@Raccoonik]

You should look up Amy Beth Christenson, she's got some cool concept art.

[@wimvangeffen4528]

This is how the people who worked on the prequel’s felt

[@raskolnikov6443]

@@wimvangeffen4528 much better trilogy than the sequels

[@parkslog8975]

As soon as you had Kylo Ren chopping of the “dote” of antidote to make your title I knew I was in for a treat with this video. Really enjoyable editing

[@patrickdirks1013]

agree. When I saw that I was like "oh. he cares..."

[@WilliamTeller]

Exactly! What do you use to makes these? You're super talented!

[@ahabduennschitz7670]

Omg he knows how to use an editor So awesome. The moment I saw there was sound in this video, I knew this guy cares.

[@aliciabenningfield3650]

same

[@blakebridges8989]

This video isn’t anti-Star Wars, it’s anti-sequel trilogy and honestly that makes this video extremely pro-Star Wars.

[@totallyanonymousbish9599]

So much yes!!

[@JH-wi2xr]

Stop calling it the “sequel” trilogy. They are NOT sequels! True sequels build on previous installments, instead of ruining them.

[@megaman37456]

@@JH-wi2xr The Disney Trilogy.

[@skywalkerorder2170]

@@JH-wi2xr That’s why I call it Disney’s Sequel trilogy or Disney’s Sequels. It’s separate from Lucas’s Saga in my mind.

[@grayski3324]

@@megaman37456 There you go

[@acamon]

That really captured the issues with those movies. I was a Last Jedi fan (especially compared with the other two) but you're absolutely right about how negative it ends up being, not just about Abrahms take but about star wars in general, without really offering anything substantive and new. Thanks!

[@dude92]

I liked the prequels more. They set a perfectly logical background for the events in A New Hope. Sure, Anakin is a bit annoying but understandable. He defeated a sith lord and doesn't get the master title even though he has his own apprentice and turns to someone he trusts the most. If you have read any Star Wars books (Canon, EU, or Legends), they all revolve around galactic politics.

[@SantiagoGomez-sz3xi]

Yeah, but you know basic politics that give a minimum of world building to the story is boring so lets make another empire and Death planet and rebels

[@Jay-ye7jp]

@@SantiagoGomez-sz3xi aa

[@wolacouska3698]

The Prequels were amazing stories brought down by poor details, the Sequels were poor stories elevated by flashy details.

[@jacquesfuller2087]

Personally I enjoyed the prequels unlike many people.

[@LordVader1094]

Also he was a slave all his childhood, got taken from his mother by monks and despised as not being good enough for 10 years, then sees his mom again RIGHT AFTER she's been tortured for a month and dies a moment later, then is stuck in a galactic war immediately.

[@RastaganTheGreen]

Palpatine is so unfathomably dumb in the last one. "I've been keeping a low profile for an entire generation, rebuilding my fleet so that I could place my complete trust in an emotionally unstable boy, who struggles with good and evil, since I totally learned nothing from how that backfired in Return of the Jedi. Muahaha!"

[@MrKoraboras]

Everyone's unfathomably dumb in sequels, with the only exception being Rey, who is instead unfathomably competent. Like... Han Solo at one point didn't know how to repair the Falcon. Snoke got killed by lasers, when his apprentice knows how to freeze blaster shots in place, presumably having been taught how to by... Snoke...

[@veb_edvard]

Few could argue what many fail to see in these sequels, Star Wars being one way over another is subjective; not even the maker is always right...

[@addictedtoRS]

@@MrKoraboras Snoke got killed by Kylo but I agree it was a painfully stupid scene regardless

[@MrKoraboras]

@@addictedtoRS Yeah. Kylo was his apprentice from what I understand?

[@addictedtoRS]

@@MrKoraboras You said it like he got killed by a laser blaster. It was a surprise attack with a lightsaber.

[@D4Skewer]

I've always thought people gave the Phantom Menace too much hate; I found the whole political aspect of the prequels very interesting, if not foreboding; really makes the whole original trilogy seem to have that much more at stake.

[@danielhaire6677]

Yeah, the political angles were the main weapon Palpatine was using to amass power. Without that, his rise would make no sense.

[@matthewhowie1220]

The Phantom Menace was good, but it could've been elevated by showing more of the droid army invading Naboo almost like the famous German Blitzkrieg in WWll, rather than discussing trade.

[@LegoTrooper873]

Totally agree with this, I definitely feel like more people like the prequels than what it seems. People are always saying that the prequels were disliked by others, but never hear someone say that THEY didnt like the prequels

[@scienceandponies]

I always thought Phantom Menace wasn't all that terrible as a movie in and of itself (especially next to the mess of Attack of the Clones), but from a broader perspective of the prequel trilogy it's absolutely the most out of place. It burns a huge chunk of the run time without really moving anything forward, ultimately leading the sprinting in Episode 3 to set everything up for the OT. We could have easily started with Anakin as a troubled padawan, with only a couple scenes discussing his background and childhood, and given later movies a chance to breathe, even develop the central romance properly.

[@zackbobby5550]

Yeah, the Phantom Menace is very openly titled "Episode 1". The first chapter of a book is never the most interesting, and not usually the best well written. It is, however, usually an important stepping stone to explain things that happen later and to enter the universe.

[@Fl4ttt]

All the kids who grew up with the prequels being their first exposure to Star Wars love them. It's the older generations who didn't like them. That's what a lot of people don't realize.

[@r.morris5589]

That is not all true. And a bad movie is a bad movie - the sequels are crap.

[@KipKil1igan]

I agree, i was 12 when ep 1 came out and loved all three movies. I actually prefer the prequels to the original trilogy as do most people who were kids when the prequels were released.

[@TeteBruleeFR]

@@r.morris5589 I agree with the gentleman above me. I prefer the prequel trilogy. I was just young enough to find Jar-Jar amusing enough to not be too annoying, and I grew up fast enough to be able to fully grasp the political conflict of galactical scale that was starting to fully develop from ep2. I also used to like Empire strike back the least, as a very dark and scary movie, with very little light and not much action. As I matured, I understood the beauty of the original trilogy. But the prequel is still my favorite. I like how Palpatine schemed, and the overall grandiose scale of the conflict at hand. The OG feels more akin to an adventure, while the prequel is a war story.

[@Shadowstar1311]

That makes sense. I grew up with the prequels and I still haven't heard a single compelling justification as to why they're so hated. I get why some people don't personally like them, but no one has ever made a compelling case for them being objectively bad.

[@captnmaico6776]

na, i love Episode 3, but Episode 2 is a huge pill of garbage, Eipsode 1 was great as a kid and thats it.

[@FiniteMan1933]

The amount of Prequel slander said by JJ was frankly detestable.

[@gorcsauce696]

It was okay to slander it bc majority people hated it until last Jedi a whole 180 happen . They was prob so scared to mention prequels cuz the fans lmao until they realized the ones that liked it grew up and animated series saved it as well

[@stevej71393]

I mean, the sequels are terrible, but that doesn't make the prequels good. Phantom Menace is an awful movie that alternates between boring and irritating. Attack of the Clones is mediocre, with boring politicking and a cringe-worthy romance. Revenge of the Sith is the only film in the trilogy I consider to be decent, but I honestly skip all the scenes Padme is in. In all three movies, there's too much wooden dialogue and the characters have no personality. Compare with the original trilogy, where every single character had an interesting personality.

[@jandm4ever716]

@@stevej71393I disagree and Padme is one of my favorite characters but you are entitled to you opinions and arguing over it is childlike

[@jout738]

Its funny how JJ Ambrams slams prequal triology, when atleast the prequal triology had great plot in it, while George Lucas needed bit help with directing the actors he didnt get that much at all, but JJ Abrams movies lack any plot or movie story coclusion at all, so of course he is jealous and bash on movie, that is able to have plot, because Abrams is so bad himself in creating movie plot, when he only likes to make cool seens in his movies.

[@Jeffy888]

@@stevej71393 beautiful

[@inexplicable01]

Love how you mentioned Abrams getting progressively worse. So true.

[@benaddenson6317]

His 'mystery box' theory has been conclusively disproven. It's such a cynical way of telling stories. You can't lead people on forever. Sooner or later you need to start describing something human and worth connecting with.

[@kirklandday]

@@benaddenson6317 Just a bad director that has a lot of Hollywood respect. Get someone who actually cares about the content and watch it explode.

[@isapo6694]

That last sentience. "For all these movies efforts to leave behind the legacy of George Lucas...he's the one that has moved on , and they're still standing right back where he started."

[@buddy3261]

That was the perfect closing remark

[@housesg5981]

Sentence*

[@buddy3261]

@@housesg5981 a closing remark is a sentence, or can be at least

[@axeenj]

@@buddy3261 He's replying to the initial comment

[@buddy3261]

@@axeenj oh

[@hjsong99]

'It's the famous archer, Lando Calrissian' made me cough with laughter...

[@YoutubesFromWayback]

😂

[@JeremyBX]

i dont think anyone else is gonna say it but mad respect for being confident enough to use copyright Star Wars music throughout the video despite the Wrath of KZbin. Made the video feel more grand & serious, and I can feel your passion about this topic through that. Hopefully viewers realize that and it boosts your Patreon support.

[@votpavel]

fuck youtube- im disliking youtube with MY thumb

[@nelisezpasce]

Even the aspect ratio is cinematic (wide)

[@Bonko78]

This is really well put: _"Movies like The Force Awakens mean you can't make anything new, and movies like The Last Jedi mean you can never keep anything old."_ I couldn't have said it better myself.

[@mstevens94]

Yep, it is a stagnant raging dumpster fire that is anti-anything and anti-everything, especially Star Wars, more importantly, George Lucas and his vision for Star Wars. When Disney bought the Star Wars trademark and franchise from Lucas. Disney ordered three new films as a "sequel trilogy" to Lucas's Episodes 1-6. I had high hopes, granted when Lucas was nowhere around those films. But, instead, it screamed that they were trying to rebrand Star Wars in their own vision going entirely in a different direction. Only for the movies to be mediocre, if not dismal, void of Lucas' magic in the franchise that made it Star Wars. Basically, that trilogy by Disney was their attempt to make Star Wars by removing the very thing that makes it Star Wars, which was Lucas and his vision for the franchise. It was not a shock that it sold out at the box office, but it was ultimately a gilded hit, significant because it was Star Wars, but the product was mediocre and or dismal on the inside.

[@notsohandyandy]

It's a really poor assessment of the meaning of The Last Jedi tbh

[@gabethebabe3337]

@@notsohandyandy sure it is

[@NexusKin]

And also "movies like The Rise Of Skywalker mean you can't compensate for not having a plan in the first place."

[@HAYAOLEONE]

And it means nothing on top of being whiny.. Episode 4, 5 and 6 are what they are forever in the real world. BTW 'LucasCorp' kept injecting stupid frames/effects by itself through the years. [despecialized now!] As for the 'new' and 'moar serious' muhdemocracy StarWars.. The 'jedi motherfucker pill' didn't do sowellenough balancing the bitterness&butthurt from the (slowly but surely 'SJWed') 'I AM SOMEBODY! WE ALL JEDI NOW!' crowd learning about 'Fate'/'the jedi blood' from deathcheating Qi Gon himself.. 😆 _ It's ok to be Yoda and to enter eternal life, in exile, in shithole swamp #1. It's ok to be the Palpatine ultimate savior of the universe living by your peasant self in a desert, because your only (possible) love is dead/died saving you. It's ok to be a crack pilot in the definitive winning team and to be cockblocked by the seductivest 'trueblood'/'truelife' spy waifu ever. It's ok to be the last Skywalker and to die young after a shitty life. Etc. Yes?

[@rickblaine9670]

The people who say the Sequels are gonna get some retroactive love like the Prequels did are completely missing the point. The main criticism towards the Prequels always was something like “shit, this is a great story, I just wish it had been told better”. By definition, there’s something good to remember there. And not something relatively superficial like special effects or some particular actor’s performance. No, everybody recognized there was good at the foundations, the heart, of the whole thing. And that good, that heart, is what even some former detractors grew fond of as the years passed. But in the Sequels? The very foundations are the thing that is inconsistent, twisted, monstrous, totally fu**ing wrong. There is some good on the surface level, but there is NO good at the heart of it. The premises to reevaluate something like that are simply NOT THERE. No matter how much time passes.

[@NinjaFlibble]

and we would shudder to think of something *worse* than the sequels coming along

[@trevorthornley8835]

Exactly

[@Harriet-Jesamine]

Brilliant

[@Spongi_124]

Dude, its Star wars. If people like the sequels and hate the prequels or Vice versa, deal with it. You dont have to constantly shove the "objective facts" up peoples throat and just let em enjoy what they wanna enjoy.

[@KororaPenguin]

The _New Jedi Order_ arc was created by multiple authors with different writing styles and even different worldviews. Nevertheless, they all got together and AS A TEAM they mapped out the overarching storyline and timeline of the war--an even larger-scale conflict than the Clone Wars--and while they did change a few plans, that was to HARMONIZE the whole. And they made an un-put-down-able nineteen-volume arc that consistently left readers waiting for the next volume.

[@RocketshipSails]

This was absolutely amazing, made my eyes water twice watching this. I love Star Wars, and I don’t think we’ve seen it since 2005 😢. Excellent video!! 🎉

[@ManDom878]

Just that Disney failed to have Luke, Leia, Han together on one scene saids it all.

[@scottbianchi6018]

🤔.....that was the main reason I went.

[@JohnS-il1dr]

@Paul Ridgeway but but but that would overshadow the new characters

[@virgogaming6488]

@@TheJoeinwv There's a deleted scene of Luke grieving so that exists at least.

[@dan_hitchman007]

Destroy the past. Kill it if you have to.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@virgogaming6488 Yes and it was cut

[@bear798]

The weirdness of George Lucas is what makes Star Wars what it is lol

[@tjenadonn6158]

Taking Lucas and his quirks and fixations out of Star Wars is like taking Gene Roddenberry and his quirks and fixations out of Star Trek, which also happened when Abrams got his childhood-ruining hands on it. Thank FUCK he wasn't brought on for Dune.

[@TheSorrel]

But DS9 is the best Star atrek show. And a show Roddenberry would have never approved if

[@tjenadonn6158]

@@TheSorrel Debatable. Plus while DS9 does deviate from the Roddenberry formula in many ways it still maintains certain quintessential Roddenberryisms, such as an intense focus on philosophical maters and literary references out the ass. It still has that running theme that the Final Frontier is just as much psychological as it is astronautical. Abrams abandoned all of the philosophical and psychological depth that made Star Trek Star Trek and turned it into The Avengers IN SPAAAAACE!

[@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337]

I'm not that into star trek but I always hear that Abrams ruined it somehow. What exactly happened there?

[@zekedelsken9963]

@@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337 turned a thinky show with great dialogue (most of the time) into an action movie with screaming. The movies wouldnt waste 3 minutes on a courtroom, startrek would have an entire episode take place in one and have it be about what constitutes a sentient life form. Like yeah phaser battles happen, but it’s usually after diplomatic negotiations have fallen through. Not because adults are acting like emotional children. Personally im a TNG fan but trek is just fun as long as youre willing to not have a shootout every episode. Dont let me convince you its some intellectual powerhouse of a show, it just doesnt pretend its audience is full of drooling paste munching children.

[@muffin2221]

Its crazy how much JJ thought he was the panacea of all things star wars. Straight up believed he knew star wars better than its own creator

[@ergob3907]

The guy is a narcissist and tried to make Star Wars HIS. He undid everything the Lucas characters like Luke, Leia, Vader accomplished and handed it to his OC. Oh no its really REY who restores the jedi and killed Palpatine!

[@Jediknight404]

Which is why I refer to the sequels as terrible fanfics. Cause that's really what it is.@@ergob3907

[@DaMaster012]

@@ergob3907 MaRey SuUue is actually Darth Kennedy's self-insert OC, not Abrams'.

[@Aethuviel]

Sums up all the irrational prequel haters.

[@erikbihari3625]

​​@@Aethuviel. Couldn't have said this better myself.😂

[@NoahEvans-mf6fq]

Man, that was a really well put together and edited video. You just earned a subscriber.

[@chromasus9983]

Rejecting the prequels is incredibly shortsighted, when they offer such an incredibly abundant amount of sheer lore about the entire Star Wars universe. The sequels could have done that, to explore the galaxy at large post-Empire, but instead, they rejected this idea and just continued to keep everything closed off, solitary, and uninteresting, because creating whole new worlds and species, and actually dedicating time to give them purpose and traits would have required effort. Creating throwaway worlds and species that have no characterization beyond what the scripts demands at the time is much easier when you lack true passion and understanding for what the Star Wars universe itself, and not just the movies, are about.

[@zrek5193]

I agree, while the films themselves wernt particularly the best they possibly could have been, the lore they spawned and embellished is absolutely amazing and in a way I'll always love them for bringing us things like the clone wars and so on.

[@Fenris30]

@BK Beatty How can something be Flawed when it's exactly what it's supposed to be? What are you using as your basis for the Flaw?

[@shadymello9146]

besides we saw the downfall and the absence of the jedi order I only wanted to see the order once again be rebuilt continuing the cycle instead they copy pasted the first movie

[@christiansargent6053]

@BK Beatty I disagree at least for rots. Rots definitely benefited the narrative of the OT for me, it enriched the dynamic between vader and palpatine and made vaders battle between light and dark seem so much more deep. Same sort of thing with obi wan aswell. Clone wars did the same thing with luke and yoda.. idk I feel like overall while the prequels weren't perfect they had a great overall story line and made the OT better

[@CRIMI0N]

Creating new ideas is risky. The execs don't like risks.

[@christianbjorck816]

Not having Luke, Leia and Han in the same shot again must be one of the dumbest choices ever made in cinema history.

[@struttux5156]

It is on the same level as most of the decisions in Troll 2.

[@christianbjorck816]

@@struttux5156 Yeah, or the Emoji movie…

[@マシュードーラン]

You can thank Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy for that. Two absolutely useless people

[@ZeroKitsune]

They can't even do their fanservice right

[@glp.1337]

I think you haven't met: J.J. -the franchise killer- Abrams. Because he's the GOAT on that.

[@Girthon1]

'And Chewbacca gets a medal...even though all his friends are dead' nails it completely. 😂😂

[@kimmccarthy7747]

I really am amazed he made it out alive.

[@singletona082]

@@kimmccarthy7747 He was demoted to chuffure... in the ship that he and his best friend had.

[@jaieregilmore971]

That depressing and insulting was the whole give chewie a medal a big deal!? It worth shit now.

[@aleji0]

Man, that provided me some of the saddest laughter ever.

[@Specsboy1999]

Not going to bring up how Wookies culture doesn't see medals as valuable because they use the EU as toilet paper or material for their "original ideas", she choose to get it post mortem ... to her (ex-)husband's and possibly her best friend for years. I wouldn't be surprised that after recieving the medal that he threw it like Jake did to his lightsaber in The Last Jedi.

[@yeeterdeleter0117]

This is probably one of the best youtube videos I've ever watched.

[@darthgamer9861]

it makes me irrationally angry that the Disney films are all “nah fuck the prequels” until they realized what a mistake it was to chase away the prequels fans and NOW they reference the prequels by stealing Palpatine’s famous “dark side of the force” line. like ok NOW the prequels are good eh Disney?!

[@virgogaming6488]

They are idiots for ignoring a generation until the 9th saga movie.

[@lancem8713]

At the time TFA came out, while everyone was busy gushing over it, I just couldn't get over how anti-prequel it was. In the end it was just so sweetly 'ironic' how they had to pull out old Palps and his prequel line in a last-gasp desperate attempt to save their failure of a 'trilogy'.

[@legoferrari14]

@@virgogaming6488 TFA came out at a time where the children of the PT era had grown up and were starting to get more vocal about their love of those movies. Between TFA and TLJ prequel era lines erupted across the internet as reactions & copypastas.

[@virgogaming6488]

@@legoferrari14 Prequel fans were around and already vocal before TFA existed, that's no excuse for them ignoring a generation when they'd be a big part of their audience.

[@michaeltunnicliffe4935]

The biggest problem was simply justifying itself. It tried to market itself as the third trilogy, as the end to the Skywalker saga, part 3 of a 2 part story. Yeah, I agree it wanted to ignore the prequels, it wanted to ignore Lucas, it wanted to forge it's own path and subvert expectations. But how can it do that whilst also tying itself so firmly into the first 6 films? It should have been it's own thing. It wanted to be a reboot, whilst also ending a story already finished. It wanted the focus to be on it's new characters, but also to be on the old characters. It wanted to bring in a new threat (Snoke and the First Order) whilst also keeping the threat the same (Palpatine and the Empire.) It wanted full freedom, but also to be connected to a pre-made world. It wanted so many conflicting things, because they knew they couldn't reboot it, but they also couldn't continue it, so they tried to do both and failed to do either.

[@nightwishfan1991]

Exactly. It was advertised as Episode 7 and the Sequel Trilogy was marketed as the concluding trilogy of the trilogies. But TFA is effectively a reboot. It wanted to have that shiny Episode 7 on the title crawl because that's what fans had been waiting for for decades. But it didn't want to dare continue what was set up in Episode 6. Instead it throws so much crap in the 30 year time jump that you feel like you missed a whole trilogy in between. Compare this to the time jump between the PT and the OT. Now yes the OT was established first but the opening crawl set up the conflict and you get hints of what happened before. And then when we get the PT you get to see those mentions fleshed out but by the time we end RotS and start ANH there wasn't anything major that happened in those 20 years other than the Empire morphing into a full dictatorship and Vader hunting the surviving Jedi. But when you start TFA you begin wondering what drastically happened in those 30 years and sadly these are questions that are never answered. TFA is a movie wanting to be two contradictory things. A continuation and a reboot. And the problems with the trilogy only got worse from there.

[@mike197714]

Let’s not twist it into knots or pretzels. The sequel trilogy was too controversial and it had issues. Both of u are right. We’re just disappointed with Disney for making it. They should have used Dark Empire trilogy. Hmm on other note: It happens when a company turns into a monopoly. I don’t know If Disney owns the right to Indiana Jones. I need to have someone do some homework on this. I do know Disney owns The rights to marvel and Star Wars. 👈🏻When u have a company with lots, lots of money and that much power. It gets alittle funny and weird in the head. So we got the controversial sequel trilogy. I don’t love or hate. Like nor dislike Disney Star Wars ST. Lookin’ back I was caught up in the moment. Didn’t put in perspective. Disneys Star Wars 7,8&9 are entertaining to watch. On the fan side: It was group A hates them group b loves them. My Star Wars is better than ur Star Wars. Which I’m trying to get twisted up into a pretzel.

[@DenverStarkey]

JJ , Johson , or any involved had half a brain they would have made a completely new story that takes place centuries if not a millenia ahead in the future long after Luke had rebuilt the jedi order. i would have rathered our beloved characters be cheesy name drop mentions when discussing the past , than to see them get totally anal railed like they did. and th worst thiong this railing did it in the name of nostalgia , yet NOT a single one of the movies had the old crew back together for even 2 seconds on screen which is what nostalgia fanatics really wanted.

[@dankmoon949]

George Lucas gave them an entire script for at least the first movie if not all 3 it was going to involve darth talon as the main bad guy they threw it all away for what we have now

[@thetraveler1182]

@@dankmoon949 What we have now is totally unwatchable. Such huge missed opportunities.

[@scholagladiatoria]

Perhaps the best movie (series) review I have seen on KZbin, and you managed to explain in new terms why the sequels are dead and meaningless blocks of time for me, while series like The Mandalorian have succeeded to move the future of Star Wars forward. Well done.

[@Halo_Legend]

Hi Matt

[@MakCurrel]

Also the Mandalorian doesn't try be more than it is. The sequels try so hard it's near unrecognizable. IMO.

[@TheNovahnite]

@@MakCurrel Exactly, hindsight is a bitch cos they should have given the ST to Jon and Dave in the first place because the stuff they have developed has been Genius. A few episodes might have missed the mark here or there but the overall quality of "Disney star wars" content has been lifted after they started the Mandalorian.

[@MakCurrel]

@@TheNovahnite I think that rebels was okay. But I know that that did build upon Clone Wars.

[@gislanaepstein3013]

Every star wars series is better then the last three movies. Even bad batch.

[@goldblitzx9993]

I appreciate how this video breaks down the narrative flaws of the sequel trilogy without any attacks toward the audience. No statements along the lines of “you should feel bad for enjoying these” or any of the sorts! This is the discourse and discussion the fandom needs more of.