The State Of Charging In Finland 2024

[@lucas7793]

It is impressive how the charging network grew in the last years in Finland. When I was there with my Ioniq in 2018 there was one (working) 50 kW in Jyvaskylä. Now there are 17 locations with around 80x 100+ kW CCS plugs. Even in 2018 I had my first slow charger in Inari, where I had to take a 4 hour break. Now there are HPC everywhere, mostly thanks to ABC and K-Lataus which are really building an amazing network.

[@Racoonius]

I have had an ev for almost 2 years now in Finland. The EV network has definitely improved. Problem still is high powered chargers from for instance Recharge are way too expensive. You pay roughly similar prices to petrol. But charging stations at ABC and K Lataus are much much cheaper, but they often throttle and share power between 2 vehicles. Id charge more at Recharge but their prices are just beyond stupid compared to ABC and K.

[@PierreSimonsson]

i guess pricing on this is not mentioned becuauce it is probly set to 0.9Euro close to ionity pricing. NEXT we demand claerly Shown price for dropin Charge. so we can shose the best price like Diesel and Petreol. like it is now is Outrageus.

[@JanHenrik541]

Recharge in Finland is 0.49€ with Northe and lowest price I have found is 0.4861€ in the app Fortum Charge & Drive that is often used with Recharge here in Norway. 0.9€ sounds like a bad deal indeed.

[@kimmoahola4528]

@@JanHenrik541 Used to be 54 cents per minute, which was nice for a fast charging car.

[@JanHenrik541]

@@kimmoahola4528 pretty happy per minute pricing is less common, I try to avoid operators that doesn’t have € per kWh pricing. Haven’t seen Recharge with per minute pricing but I am new with electric vehicles.

[@Jonsk111]

Recharge also sucks because it has no app

[@pauliusraila5798]

100 kudos points to Neste, well done that investing in kempower equipment. Can't wait in Baltics appears 💯⚡💪

[@ajappat]

Yet to charge at any on the new Neste chargers. Wonder what the prices are?

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Great to see Finland pushing ahead with EV charging! We have a plan to visit Norway possibly in 2024 and after drive up to Finland to see my head office Kytola Instruments OY in Muurame, Finland. Several years ago I was enthusiastic that Kempower setup in North America, and now they have, Koodos, another great Finish company is coming to North America! Kris, glad you made the trip to Finland!

[@Thomas-Larsen]

The charging satelite should be displayed in English because of your selection during payment, otherwise cool to see regular card terminals coming

[@SPPhotography89]

That MacDonals is in Tammisto, Vantaa.

[@BadNuunuu]

I never ever use Recharge... WAY to expensive to use... I think it cost like 0,63€/kwh and thats almost 30cent more expensiv than ABC/K-Lataus and Teslas Supercharger.

[@kerminator1188]

Recharge is not that expensive any more - from Fortum Charge&Drive app it is 0,4861 € /kWh. Which still bit more expensive than ABC but less crowded than ABC.

[@markmd9]

This is very good for clients. Not need for to search and install applications.

[@lacai527]

i tell you we have been installing these like mad past 5 years or so, i was electrician and installed weekly, lets say average 5 a week, did not do any kempowers, once got contracted to install 52 whit the main feed, when job was done and we measured how much load main feed can carry over it was only half of what it should had, ofc the ordering company was blaming us, but we said, that they gave the specs of the cable, so i ques some one made an oopsie on calculations :D, it was able to run those 52, but it was suppose to have reserve for like 30 more later on.

[@tarassu]

Make phone heavier so you turn it slower :D What a rollercoaster.

[@mr.wizeguy8995]

We tested Neste charging stall at Huittinen car was Skoda Enyaq 80, card payment didn't work and app didn't work either. There was other person with ID.5 he wasn't able to pay with credit card either managed to charge via app. Luckily it was just test so we could drive home without charging.

[@willtrent3077]

Excellent video. I was in the UK in July 2023 and I rented an EV. I drove to Wales and had great difficulties finding charging stations there. The ones that I did find accepted with Apps. I could not download those Apps so it was a nightmare trying to charge my rented EV. The UK needs more accessible chargers which accept credit card, RFID and touch payment methods. Kempower could do really good business in the UK I think.

[@colorfulchew]

I think Osprey in the UK has started to put in Kempower stations now

[@chrisnewman7281]

If they aren’t already the finish should be consulting throughout the rest of the world on how to do EV charging the right way

[@COSolar6419]

I like it. Easier to spot from across a big parking lot.

[@mkaltiok]

We went to northern Norway the other summer and I was shocked how poor the charging networks were there. Compared to that Finland is in a better shape when you take into account the number of the EVs.

[@Rohol64]

Nice video! Very informative and entertaining! I even saw a black ghost flying by in the background! Halloween in Finland!

[@smokyislay]

Lol, you mean the gypsy woman walking at the background? That outfit is part of their culture.

[@davidpearn5925]

On a big screen - too much camera swinging Chris.

[@Noksus]

Wow, did you film this in the future?

[@petersimms4982]

Amazing 😊

[@BillB33525]

Payment terminal looks like a MUNI Meter [for parking] here in the US. Hope it never goes down as the whole station is out of business.

[@sebastiansandvik825]

You could still use the app or an RFID.

[@TeslaRoadtrips]

funny that gilbarco veeder root card terminal, that company is a gas pump company

[@draculapitbull]

Kempower kome to Germany ...Please

[@majasako]

Pricing is a really big factor on this. 0,64 euros/kWh means that it would cost over 12 euros/100 km of traveling. That's as expensive as it's on gasoline powered vehicles and double as expensive as on my CNG powered vehicle. And when the charging takes more time, the vehicles themselves are really expensive and the weather is a huge factor on charging times etc. it really isn't that much of a surprise that we don't have more EV's on the roads. Taxes are high, income is much lower than in Norway for example... Insurance fees on EV's are double of that of a combustion engine... Plain stupidity. Only rich people drive EV's here, and boast about being "environmentally friendly". 🤣

[@aristoteles6265]

It is only for fast charging, on the road. If you charge at 11/22kW at K-Lataus or ABC, it's like 20c/kWh. You can charge at 7-10c/kWh at home, if you commute to work daily. Btw, where do you get CNG for 1,5€/kg? They're mostly priced at 2,2€/kg? I think the slow EV adoption in Finland is due to attitude, more than anything else. You can't expect to get a brand new car for the price of a 20-year-old battered up ICE car either. If you drive 30000-40000 km/a, the total cost may easily be in favour of the EV. Many middle-class workers have an EV for daily commuting, not just the rich. Maybe because they generally wish to have more convenience, reliability and drive 50km/day like most people.

[@Groaznic]

This is a load of BS, of course you wouldn't daily charge at the most expensive plug you can find in Finland, you can charge CCS with 17c at Lidl or 32c at K-lataus while shopping or 22c at K-lataus for slower Type 2. And if you're lucky and can charge at home then it's a bit more than 10c as we have very cheap electricity (relative to EU).

[@fintrollpgr]

Payment terminals

[@brianholding4357]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@omanimiminimi1844]

Card payment system is becoming mandatory, so yesterday move on EU.

[@jeremyroenick2202]

Charging in Finland is mostly a shitshow, and has absolutely turned people around who tried to adapt to EVs

[@Groaznic]

That sounds anecdotal and from a very specific bubble. My anecdote is owning a Zoe for 4 years/62k km up here at the polar circle and having only one bad charging day 3 winters ago due to my misplanning, otherwise happy with the infrastructure.

[@PierreSimonsson]

just please be transparant with the prices next time you Feature a Company in yourvideos please.

[@KrisRifa]

Several CPOs are shown in this video, and pricing was not the point of this video. I still to this day don’t know the prices and frankly I don’t care. Prices will vary from month to month and location. Point if the video was to show infrastructure in Finland. Do you care about prices in Finland? 🤷🏻‍♂️😅

[@PierreSimonsson]

I care about Difernce of prices between charging companys to choose wich to charge on :) whereever i go i know wich company is the chepest but i dont mention this here becausse i dont want to Be a prick to your sponsors :). btw your sponsor is not the BIG Bad wolf they are pretty avrage in pricing :) and the use the best hardware @@KrisRifa

[@mkaltiok]

@PierreSimonsson Some price examples from today. SC 0.33, Recharge 0.48, K-lataus 0.33 and ABC 0.35 €/kWh for HPC charging. I think Finland has quite competitive HPC charging prices.

[@mr.wizeguy8995]

​@@mkaltiokWould be cheaper but we are part of EU that rises all prices here because European electric market. Also stupid officials sold electric grid to independent entrepreneur that rise electric transfer cost tremendously.

[@herrakaarme]

@@mr.wizeguy8995 Officials didn't sell anything. It's not within their power. It's the politicians chosen by the voters. Grid used to be owned by local electric companies founded in every town and village a century or more ago. Of course over the decades they tended to fuse, with the sometimes tiny village electric companies owned by bigger landowners (farmers) and businesses getting acquired by one located in the nearest bigger town/city. The town/city electric company was often owned mostly or solely by the municipality itself. During the depression in the 90's and later, towns desperately needed money and the politicians solved the problem (for a few years) by selling the grid. This hasn't happened everywhere, but it happened in great many places.

[@izoyt]

all paid by oil and taxes. oh, the irony..

[@Harrythehun]

Would like to remind the commentators that the “fast charging” is a service. And a service has a price. For those that still believes that fast charging infrastructure is too expensive, the break even price is around 0,75 € per kW/h.

[@ajappat]

Break even for what? Might be around that for direct petrol vs electricity with similar sized cars, but similar sized cars are not similar in price when comparing ICE vs EV.

[@Harrythehun]

@@ajappat For the CPO = Charge Point Operator not to lose money on the business.

[@vesaniemi8636]

Nice reporting, but plz be mindful of how you're spinning the camera around during the interview. It's a bit of a rollercoaster🎢🤮