The State of Counter-Strike 2024 - The Four Horsemen S3E13 (ft Jason Lake)

[@somerandom4905]

Respect for Jason Lake for sticking around the NACS scene. Very informative and well spoken

[@AndrewH9999]

Hes the last hope of the NA scene. If he leaves, NA CS is dead 😢

[@leroy_sopacua]

1:08:15 The ad read of all ad reads in esports

[@Einamu]

my favorite is always seeing Richard tear up laughing at Thorin's ad reads

[@juanframetallica82]

The undisputed king of ad reads, nothing comes close to this one

[@pinkocean310]

Thorin just came out swinging for this one

[@smoothbrain_cs]

Absolutely caught me off guard and just kept laying down line after line 😂

[@LAZLOWEYO]

​@@pinkocean310just like in alphadraft days

[@WorstScenarios]

That ad was a work of art

[@FreddeLibre]

was nice to see Jason "2nd and 3rd order of consequence" Lake in the podcast!

[@ambarishsengupta]

That factor ad needs to be a separate video as well 😂

[@BoxSounds]

I was never a complexity fan, but the more I listen to Jason the more they grow on me. I respect his work a lot i’m glad that he has staff that believe in him .

[@melodic_ez0657]

Save yourself the pain, but if pain is what you seek welcome brother

[@brok3worth512]

⁠@@melodic_ez0657 Yup I was watching COL vs BIG live and it was painful to watch

[@singular9]

43:00 - Jason is right. Developers don't care, because they make WAY more money from the average soloq player than all eposrts and orgs combined.

[@thunderboltstriker]

I think that’s not entirely true, but the financial benefit of esports is indirect. The existence of esports provides an aspirational element to players playing game, thereby allowing greater growth of the player base. No matter what people say about how casual an esports games player base is, even the most casual of players know about the most famous pros in a game like CS. So even if it doesn’t directly earn the devs money, esports definitely contributes to their game’s growth.

[@Jakee3_]

no one reads an ad better than Thorin ahhahah

[@tstartrekdude]

This is a wild episode to even exist for people who have been following for a long time.

[@pile03]

This ad read should go in the annals of esports history. GOAT

[@Zervive]

The retro coL logo is one of the best, im glad its coming back

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

Your average "esports" viewer is never ever going to monetized.

[@ColtonMelton]

Richard dying over the ad read is peak lmao

[@Mathieu_soDjo]

That Factor ad... perfection

[@Notblakejohnson]

As a North American counter strike fan Jason is a beacon of hope in a dark haze of uncertainty- love all the insight this episode. Sticker money is sure to roll in once the capsules go on sale no real incentive to buy them before.

[@jcoxy1057]

so true man. im from the US and CS has been my favorite game for well over 10 years now.. love it man. thank god for Jason..

[@polymorphistYT]

Richard Lewis AND Jason Lake? Not Christmas yet but taking that gift anyway, thank you very much!!!

[@K.D.R_]

Thorin the ad GOAT.

[@SinJonesy]

The prize pool going to players never made sense to me from a football perspective where the revenue goes to the club and then the players negotiate contracts to get bonus based on performance in cups/leagues. Think a way to make it worth it for teams would be to make games behind a sub wall for hot games and low games are free to view then that gets split between org and tournament host

[@marius.1337]

02:01:32 Jesus Christ. For the past 7+ years I've nearly watched every tournament and most of the games - either live or the vods - but the amount of games next year will be insane if this schedule persists. Viewer fatigue will be insane

[@SxpnthR]

Had to run the factor read back

[@Bleda412]

LFN should give give out Esports Reality Awards so that the correct people are awarded in the correct year. I had this thought but then realized that Esports Reality is already copyrighted. Good times.

[@Alex-Buba]

43:00 surprised Richard didn’t bring up EG treatment of their players

[@jjohnson188]

Richard sneaking in that Norm Macdonald Mangrate reference after the ad read killed me🤣 two of the greatest ad reads of all time

[@RatWithaTool]

Jason is good people.

[@guard1an500]

Jason u just got a new fan, of you and your org. Real NA team! Best of luck for the future

[@Zalami84]

Was a great listen!

[@vettekid]

Jason Lake, absolute legend

[@magni294]

Why is this not uploaded to the Counter Strike channel?

[@freedomeppo]

TO discussion was super insightful, Richard was bang on.

[@Reaching8]

in DotA 2 there were player item sets, and team items, at least when I played a lot early during the Source version before the engine change. I know that the gambling aspect is more important for CS, but having more slots than *just* stickers to support a team could be a good option, so charms, or operator patches or something could help.

[@Drakshl]

I will always respect Jason for Col taking a chance on the current team liquid formerly Limit guild wow raid team. as much as method were the original darlings of the raid scene, the financial support of Col is what allowed Limit to provide meaningful competition and really grow the event

[@toxichazmat5785]

What an invaluable guest to have on the show.

[@thekevinc]

I might need some of the throwback complexity merch

[@Krideezy]

1:18:29 thorins sinister smile has me rolling 😂

[@RayWI6]

Jason "Bring me the pistols" Lake

[@csnoob02]

best ad read ever !

[@zeysus9116]

It was great to listen to

[@RatedX29]

Best adread I've ever heard

[@kenneth_romero]

a cool thing for teams would be a special win animation. either by getting the last kill, defusing bomb or bomb exploding. you already got the music, just make some cool animations.

[@tenstorme]

He's not just esports, HE IS AD READS

[@AM2K2]

Cheers ♥to Jason!

[@jigsaw_3156]

great speech on the onepixel's stunt

[@K1m9857]

Best ad read Thorin 2024 👏👏👏👏 Goat ❤

[@bretstiles345]

best ad read of all time

[@ZxVexation]

Jason Lake is a goat team owner and I hope he is in the scene for as long as he loves it.

[@MattSOAD1822]

Any news on when the next EG files will be (unless I’ve missed it?!)

[@bruhmoment-ni7ef]

Thanks

[@ICcold50]

I wish factor was available in Australia, I'd absolutely give it a try

[@LDixonFPS]

Reason why the major stickers are tanking is because they keep making the same looking stickers. If there are unique designs that look nice then investors will stock pile them

[@LDixonFPS]

Thorin talked about it right after the comment haha

[@zarlei6048]

They could do something new with cases but Valve has no vision whatsoever.

[@anu1776]

see the difference in kato14 to kato15 for instance, thats why theyre goated stickers, last few majors all stickers have not only been copy and paste but fucking horrendous to look at, just straight up pure garbage

[@NoradNoxtus]

Please give Richard 2 bottles of wine before each podcast from now on xD

[@fanoose]

Does anyone have a clip of eleague crowd chanting Arby's

[@IvanOrl1]

I am a new viewer for CS2, never watched a Major. can someone explain why the final isn't played in the best of five format? Spirit vs Faze was absolute cinema, I was sad it ended so soon

[@olorinlover9876]

Historically they've been bo3 since the start of csgo, which made sense with the 15 round halves back then. But now with mr12 you're right it should be a bo5 final now, hopefully they change soon

[@Selendeki]

@@olorinlover9876 I can remember finals being Bo5s actually. I think its bizarre that mr12 finals are being done as Bo3s

[@jepulis6674]

Bo5 finals would be better now. I think way more important is to get the bo1:s out of the major. BO2:s with no ots, winner 2, draw 1, loss 0. The format where you can ban 3 maps for first two matches advances teams to playoffs that have no place being there.

[@quincygaming9529]

​@@SelendekiCSGO majors were never BO5. Other large tournaments have done BO5 though

[@Selendeki]

@@quincygaming9529 Thanks for the correction. I'm probably thinking of Cologne and stuff like that.

[@acefromspace4376]

why not sell team themed cs2 hud

[@Hornnnnnn]

2:09:00 to be fair to liquid, vitality beat the exact same 3 teams to make it to the playoffs.

[@dmitrykim3096]

The views are not equal, you should understand that brazillian or Ukrainian views are much less commercialy efficient than america or European. So I am not that sure that Furia is that financially more improtant for cs than Liquid or G2

[@SaintedPIacebo]

Lake the triple OG.

[@smasherlol351]

58:00 well said

[@rgndsnali]

does anyone at factor undestand what he just did there?

[@Cashmoneez]

CS is and will continue to be the sickest esport of all time to me.

[@jcoxy1057]

amen! truly the perfect esport imo. CS and rocket league. sooo viewer friendly compared to other esports

[@StarcoreZach]

C word censorship was not on my Last Free Nation bingo card

[@wortelnub]

Holy shit that ad read

[@schmeed0000]

i nominate thorin for ad read of the year

[@dmitrykim3096]

The worst thing is that NA people just want more money, you have to pay more to na stars as na life is more expensive. You can buy much better olayer from Europe or CIS for the same money you can buy an average player in US

[@chef-b3337]

I've always respected thorin but never quite liked him. That ad read changed everything. 8/8 m8 that was bloody gr8!

[@marshmilo4588]

Thorin has really imprpved his ad read. Before i could tell cuz he changed his voice but this time he didnt 😂😂

[@xxcus32xx]

49:10 Herts as an old school TSM fan, loved the boys early in LoL days but now i dont really have a team i just watch whatever tournaments are on if i cant catch them live or as a rerun i also dont have a favorite team for any game anymore, the orgs need to find a way to capture and keep fans.

[@anu1776]

wow, i had no idea that sticker revenue is that horrendous right now; but it makes sense, the major stickers (and basically the whole community agrees) are fucking boring, recycled garbage and sometimes even look horrible. HTLV comments and the general consensus i’ve heard is that people are actually happy when Falcons don’t succeed, and to be honest, i’m in the same boat; we love passion and not greed. Jason is a gift to the scene, wish these legendary characters could also receive stickers; and the team-logo charms are a good idea. i truly wonder why valve don’t mind all these fuck-ups? last thing, EU soloq is equal to suicide. I’m in central EU but the majority of my teammates are russian or eastern europeans and it’s beyond horrendous, i’m sorry, but it’s true.

[@polymorphistYT]

Jason and all of Complexity are really fighting the good fight for NA and they don't even apprechiate it. I completely disagree that the teams who have a true identity mean so much more to the scene than your average generic EU-mix team (OG, NIP, etc). I think it's fine to make an exception here for the top 5 orgs but if you're mediocre and international you might just disband honestly

[@m15t3rdud3]

If we take Richard's point about avoiding rewarding Russians in snubbing Donk but the esports awards of course awarding a player from the Saudi org because they back the awards show as well, from a geopolitical angle is that not the Saudis denying Russia an award in front of a western crowd? Like some weird Olympic politics judging thing and it's so weird playing video games has anything to do with geopolitics in the first place and i miss when it didn't matter

[@gweegwee3]

im so sad that we live in a society that feels the need to edit out the word "cunt" cus my gawd we cannot advertise our cocacola product like this

[@zarlei6048]

Players are only winning because orgs are paying for EVERYTHING. Valve could fix this tbh.

[@jepulis6674]

I dont think Esports has to grow bigger. Players already make too much money.

[@dmitrykim3096]

NA doomed first of all because americans dont watch cs, thus not a lot of money in NA for cs. Any sports only survives if its watched.

[@dmitrykim3096]

Feel sorry for Jason, his passion for CS made him to buy out Complexity and now he has to carry the hardest thing ever - make profits of an American CS team

[@jcoxy1057]

many of us do watch. but i do agree a bit with you for sure

[@Cheezperson]

Nice

[@zsoltvarga9654]

9:41 but marline is from russia too

[@RLewisReports]

Yeah but he plays for Falcons and also plays under a neutral flag at events so didn't want to labour the point.

[@zsoltvarga9654]

@@RLewisReports okay, i understand

[@tnightwolf]

Viewership counting for points is the most ridiculos concept ever in an esports tournament!

[@Raque2]

Just cant undertand the valve devs. 0 communication, and seems that they dont care about the scene.

[@HeLLraiSa911]

👍

[@Ivanmckt]

in-game, the charms aren't even visiable cause you're focused on the game but when you're spectating yeah; you can see all the stupid positions people place them, especially the ones where they put it on the end of the barrel - that shit is annoying lol

[@anu1776]

horrible take

[@Ivanmckt]

@anu1776 if you're staring at your rifle the entire game, that's on you

[@dmitrykim3096]

Jason, do you think you can ask Elon Musk to sponsor you? He wants to make America great again and Complexity yearly budget is the money he earns every 5 minutes. Also he loves video games and respects it. Can you contact him ?

[@dmitrykim3096]

I still remember how in CS 1.6 era a strange screaming guy in a shirt and trousers was high fiving with young nerdy gamers.

[@martkovalp1155]

elige is good but he is not top10 in world like top 30

[@danielhorten8342]

cs2 is still bad, needs to fix the peekers advantage and the movement for it to be good. Movement feels like you are running in wet sand or mud.... 128 ticrate fix it now.. The game felt good when you could play on 128 ticrate dont understand why valve doesnt understand this shit....

[@jcoxy1057]

peakers advantage is all bs lol.

[@LDixonFPS]

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[@moze_-]

Y'all already have to re-do this episode lol. Maybe in a week or two, depending on Coffees release schedule for his CS series, but things gotta change. Oh and I do like Jason but the "Well what else am I gonna do?!" NA corporate brain is precisely the problem. NOT TAKE A SCAM/UNETHICAL SPONSORSHIP AND CALL IT OUT FOR WHAT IT IS. Bunch of spineless genx bs man.

[@walker5792]

Richard’s a child

[@Bleda412]

Richard is a 40 year old man.

[@aydnlewis1977]

​@@Bleda41239*

[@feature8]

Faker the GOAT for a reason.