The State of Negotiations - Brexit Explained

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@TLDRnews
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@princeps5541
@princeps5541 6 жыл бұрын
TLDR News is it compulsory
@princeps5541
@princeps5541 6 жыл бұрын
SlyPrince ok
@memenecromancer4417
@memenecromancer4417 6 жыл бұрын
I think we should have another vote but on how Brexit will be, i.e voting for a hard or soft Brexit.
@princeps5541
@princeps5541 6 жыл бұрын
I beg to differ because I believe that if we had another referendum that it would be very close. Then the brexiters would get really angry.
@Darkwintre
@Darkwintre 6 жыл бұрын
@@princeps5541 closer than before unlikely. Now if it could be a fair and just vote there would be no need for anger explaining why they didn't do their damned job in the first place now that deserves to be angry about!
@Its-Just-Gizmo
@Its-Just-Gizmo 6 жыл бұрын
This channel makes more sense of Brexit than the politicians that led the move in the first place.
@Darkwintre
@Darkwintre 6 жыл бұрын
Oh yes most definitely!
@Kajiyaification
@Kajiyaification 6 жыл бұрын
the politicans dont want their people to understand it which helps them alot. Imagine everyone in the UK being able to fully grasp the problem.
@Its-Just-Gizmo
@Its-Just-Gizmo 6 жыл бұрын
@@Kajiyaification true dat. I said this on Reddit yesterday and got downvoted big time lol.
@abbofun9022
@abbofun9022 6 жыл бұрын
Fully agree, a voice of reason in a storm of nonsense
@passais
@passais 6 жыл бұрын
He does a good job, but obviously it is easier to analyse this after many of the potential problems have arisen and the process is two years underway.
@Tyrgalon
@Tyrgalon 6 жыл бұрын
I would say the current state of Brexit is a solid FUBAR.
@BuriBuster
@BuriBuster 6 жыл бұрын
I would say FUBAR BUNDY
@lvd8122
@lvd8122 6 жыл бұрын
Can somebody explain this for me?
@BuriBuster
@BuriBuster 6 жыл бұрын
+Isenskjold Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition But Unfortunately Not Dead Yet, it's term from army hospitals for patients that are about to die without any chance of saving their life.
@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan
@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan 6 жыл бұрын
And ain't that true.
@lh1690
@lh1690 6 жыл бұрын
@@lvd8122 - FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition).
@Darkmaiki
@Darkmaiki 6 жыл бұрын
For many years I wished openly that the UK left the EU. I always considered them the snowflake of the union because they needed special norms to be inside, and they were a break for a stronger union. However, I was shocked by the Brexit result. Secretly I always hoped to solve our issues. Now, I don't want the UK votes to remain unless they want to have the same conditions than the rest of members. I realize that the EU became the scapegoat of all issues on your island and demagogy is not going to get better if you remain. I think that the best scenario for all of us long term is that you leave, and come back whenever you really feel it. It's going to be tough, the World is increasingly bigger, and is becoming harder to be strong as a 60 millioninsh country standing alone. Good luck. I'm sorry we are in this point, but I support the EU protecting our interests, and that means not giving away all the perks of being a member without being actually a member.
@Trozomuro
@Trozomuro 6 жыл бұрын
Spaniard here, your position is the same as mine.
@gordonsills
@gordonsills 6 жыл бұрын
Hello from Poland. I still wish UK would stay, but yeah - if they were to stay and not fully participate, then it's better for us (EU) if UK left and understood it's cold outside.
@abbofun9022
@abbofun9022 6 жыл бұрын
With regret i must agree with your assessment. Truly did not wanted to. . . Deep sigh
@boptah7489
@boptah7489 6 жыл бұрын
The UK has been MASSIVE net contributors for the past 40 years,. and we are swamped with immigration. We are not coming back. We will be MUCH better off outside. but thanks.
@hyksos74
@hyksos74 6 жыл бұрын
We're going to be much worse off, particularly if we get no deal - but I'm thinking it's the only way for the Brexiteers to find out. I expect lots of "But I didn't vote for *that*!".
@kaboodlefish
@kaboodlefish 6 жыл бұрын
So to sum up the UKs position.. "We want a border with the EU so that we can control immigration. We also don't want a border with the EU in order to preserve Northern Irish peace. Why won't the EU give us what we want?"
@acelennygaming
@acelennygaming 6 жыл бұрын
More like- 'we don't want a hard border with the Republic of Ireland. The issue is that said Republic happens to be in the EU.
@barbarahallinan1151
@barbarahallinan1151 6 жыл бұрын
@@acelennygaming ......their will be no hard border in ireland both the republic or the occupied 6 counties.
@acelennygaming
@acelennygaming 6 жыл бұрын
Barbara Hallinan Which countries are you referring to?
@kaboodlefish
@kaboodlefish 6 жыл бұрын
@@acelennygaming and Ireland will remain in the EU, they have zero desire to leave. So I'm not sure what the effective difference is.
@acelennygaming
@acelennygaming 6 жыл бұрын
kaboodlefish I am aware. There is no effective difference, however, I think that the point should still be made as there is a subtle difference from my British perspective. Personally, I would like a reunited Ireland as part of the United Kingdom although that is mot going to happen.
@strofikornego9408
@strofikornego9408 6 жыл бұрын
Just build a bus with promise to send NHS 350 million pounds a week, if we STAY in EU . Problem solved.
@michaelrowsell1160
@michaelrowsell1160 6 жыл бұрын
Well Brexit is costing 500 billion a week .The figure comes from the government own independent Advisers.
@chrismne92
@chrismne92 6 жыл бұрын
The best comment so far :'')
@nickisacebeans
@nickisacebeans 6 жыл бұрын
Or just drive around in a bus that says 'We've left the EU'
@somethingelse9228
@somethingelse9228 5 жыл бұрын
@@michaelrowsell1160 500 billion a week??????
@567secret
@567secret 6 жыл бұрын
12:00 Well either they knew, which means they lied to the public, or they didn't know, which means they _probably_ shouldn't have been holding such senior government positions, either way it's not great, that's just the facts of the situation.
@DogMann32
@DogMann32 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome to British Government...
@bzdtemp
@bzdtemp 6 жыл бұрын
They lied. Either in the way of knowing what they said was lies or by claiming they knew what would happen when really they at least must have known they had no clue. In either case I think what they and btw. some are still doing is criminal. One can not as an elected politician simply make up things and not be held accountable.
@undogmatisch5873
@undogmatisch5873 6 жыл бұрын
Well, since all of the consequences of a Brexit were absolutely predictable, they knew! It's never been a secret, that: - the UK has been co-authering EU laws and regulations for 45 years, - trade negotiations are insanely complex and therefore long lasting, - in international trade, size (of the negotiating market) equals negotiating power, - the EU27 has it's own red lines, they are not willing to cross, which they made perfectly clear from even before the referendum, - the world is not waiting for the UK to 'break free', so they can get trade agreements, benefiting the UK rather than themselves, - etc. Nothing of what so many people are pretending to be 'surprized' about has ever been unknown.
@MrHodoAstartes
@MrHodoAstartes 6 жыл бұрын
@@undogmatisch5873 Precisely. "Project Fear" was to me always "Project Careful Optimism". The British government must have known about the unavoidable consequences of a leave vote and just been too arrogant to believe it could ever happen. Else they could not have held that referendum the way it was done. A yes/no on a completely vague thing with no qualifications at all? Nobody who believes to have a chance of failure would do that. Why would you not discuss the British position beforehand, make a plan and get legitimacy for your negotiations by having the people vote on a concrete measure? That would make it much, much easier to attack the Leave campaign. They could not sell you a dream but a harsh reality that would get concrete criticism from inside and outside the country. Also a 55-60% qualified majority for huge decisions like that is an absolute must to prevent outcomes within the margin of error from swinging the country around. As it did. 51.8% is a joke of a majority. That's not "the people want", but "the people are divided".
@mikee4036
@mikee4036 6 жыл бұрын
You absolutely aren't bias imo, you are presenting the facts, and the facts don't look good for some
@NeuroticKnight9
@NeuroticKnight9 6 жыл бұрын
It is undemocratic to insist that people cannot change their mind, people made decision with information they had then, and if new information demands new choices, they should have the right too. This is why we don't vote a prime minister for life, because we know, if promises are broken or if situations are changed, we can take a new option.
@dariusgunter5344
@dariusgunter5344 6 жыл бұрын
The problem is that an decision hss been reached. It was a democratic process would you say that every time a large countaty of the population (around half) has a problem with the goverment that now needs to bee new ellections? People need to live with their chioces and when they regret them now it is their problem. They can reenter the eu the minute after they left but will lose every special right they once held ...
@dariusgunter5344
@dariusgunter5344 6 жыл бұрын
Yes they didn't vote for a deal and thats the point. The goverment only promised one thing in that referendum and that was leaving. Not what leaving would look like. The people trusted that the brexitiers where right but they weren't it wouöd be the smae if they promised a law which they could not get through parlament. When you vote for somethibg it is YOUR responsibilllity to inform yourself properly when you blindly follow what politicebs say you are not thinking for yourself and therefore it is your own fault. This reasoning is the reason why things line the fucking AFD exist. And just to say it the politicens did not misinform they only promised something that they (with the benifit of the doubt) belived. If you belived it was the thruth that germany would cone crawling for a free trade agremment you are not thinking clearly because that would be detrementel for germany and the eu at large.
@johnsrhorgan
@johnsrhorgan 6 жыл бұрын
So many people are unhappy that if this is democracy then it's not working. Brexiteers are just as unhappy as Remainers, with Chequers hardly what they voted for. But fine. Grudgingly, I'll agree to no Second Referendum, but only on the following condition. A few years from now, when a deal with the EU will have emerged from Chequers, there'll be no "Brexit was betrayed", no "continuing the fight for a real Brexit". You got the democratically voted Brexit delivered by the democratically elected parliament. Agreed?
@dariusgunter5344
@dariusgunter5344 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't vote for it either I live in germany but i belive that a vote should not be overturned because it didn't go like planned. As a citizen in a democrice it is your duty to educate and inform yourself. I fo not even live in the uk but that is how i think democrazy should work. The majority rules and that is the rule most countrys have sttled on
@lvd8122
@lvd8122 6 жыл бұрын
@@dariusgunter5344 yeah, but that always depends on the importance of the topic. Brexit is very important for the UKs future, and therefore it should be voted on multiple times. A decision like this should be made in a very "direct democracy" way, as it is that important. People should be able to vote on sub topics and on the whole thing at least three times.
@Astro_Break
@Astro_Break 6 жыл бұрын
The only good thing that might come out of Brexit, is a united Ireland. I honestly feel bad for the people of NI and Scotland. They voted to remain by a large margin and are still being forced to leave the EU.
@haroldbridges515
@haroldbridges515 6 жыл бұрын
In ten years all that will be left of the UK will be England and Wales. And Brexit will have done it.
@AtheistEve
@AtheistEve 6 жыл бұрын
Harold Bridges Could that be called a United Kingdom? What was UK called before becoming GB/UK? Just England, I guess, with scant reference to Wales as a separate nation or kingdom.
@haroldbridges515
@haroldbridges515 6 жыл бұрын
@@AtheistEve The considerable irony here is that the English have forgotten why they entered the EU in the first place which was to replace the loss of the Empire, which was after all a trading community, with another trading community. They can leave the EU, but they can't replace it, because, fondest hopes aside, the Empire isn't coming back. The ERG may propagandize about the recovery of the British sovereignty via Brexit, but small countries on the periphery of large trading blocks/empires do not survive. The best guarantor of British sovereignty is the EU itself, but that point is lost on the Brits apparently.
@tomgjgj
@tomgjgj 6 жыл бұрын
@Harold Bridges You're absolutely right.
@danielporter7773
@danielporter7773 6 жыл бұрын
the UK people would very happy if Nth Ireland left the UK
@567secret
@567secret 6 жыл бұрын
It wasn't meant to be feasible to leave the EU, the whole point of the EEC was to create such an integrated European society war was (and is) untenable, but a consequence of that of course is that leaving the EU ends up as rather untenable.
@lostintashkent
@lostintashkent 6 жыл бұрын
Melias: It isn't untenable, if you know what you want, understand the conditions of leaving, prepare properly in advance and are willing to accept some sacrifices. Evidently this is not the current case of the UK!
@dennisklomp2361
@dennisklomp2361 6 жыл бұрын
The biggest reason why leaving the eu is untenable is because you then have to say goodbye to the enormous advantages of the eu. Cant help but wonder how much brits see the negatives of leaving as a punishment, rather than realizing it were actually just positives of being a member.
@NotHPotter
@NotHPotter 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, and personally I find it pretty amusing when you get a little salty, but your critics are ideologues who dislike your grasp of the facts. As fair as I can tell, you're only "opposed to Brexit" in the sense that the whole thing is an ugly, poorly thought out mess, and the UK is now over a barrel in trying to negotiate with a bloc much larger than itself. It's not the British Empire anymore, and it's finding out the hard way that the world today is much different from one in which it could unilaterally dictate international relations. Treat the haters as evidence that you're striking a nerve, and keep on keeping on.
@mrvictorian4004
@mrvictorian4004 6 жыл бұрын
The British Empire was a Good thing
@NotHPotter
@NotHPotter 6 жыл бұрын
@@mrvictorian4004 For whom?
@thomasmackie8414
@thomasmackie8414 6 жыл бұрын
King Sirbosston pathetic
@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa
@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa 6 жыл бұрын
Well, we wouldn't be over a barrel in negotiations if the current administration weren't going out of its way to sabotage the entire process...
@hairyairey
@hairyairey 6 жыл бұрын
@@NotHPotter most of the world that now speaks English?
@lioraselby5328
@lioraselby5328 6 жыл бұрын
As an American I’m an outsider on all this, but I can’t help but see the current state of Brexit - and maybe even the whole Brexit in general - as one big clusterfuck for the British. Ok, I get that it was a huge blunder on Cameron’s part, but it’s been a couple years. There has been plenty of time for May to get her act together. At first I thought this was brinkmanship gone bad in a misguided attempt to get the best deal for Britain, but now I think it’s just incompetence.
@Pribbip
@Pribbip 6 жыл бұрын
If people get the impression you are pro-remain, that is their issue. Your videos are excellent. Keep up the good work.
6 жыл бұрын
2:43 You're making a mistake when you say "this might not be able to continue after brexit". It will continue regardless of brexit or anything else. Any attempt to mess with the GFA is an act of war.
@haroldbridges515
@haroldbridges515 6 жыл бұрын
As an outsider with no personal stake in the game, I think that the original referendum was too defective to be permitted to decide the question. It is usual democratic practice that overturning a previous decision, such as a legislative decision, requires more than a simple majority. Amending the US Constitution, for example, requires a super-majority of both houses of Congress as well as a super-majority of the individual states, a very high bar indeed. The theory is that overturning a decision should be harder than taking that decision in the first instance in a democracy to avoid a perpetually "wobbling" decision-making process based on a small and shifting majority. In that light the vote to leave in 2016 comprised no more than 52% of the 72% of the electorate that turned out to vote. Since effecting Brexit would amount to overturning the decision of the electorate that affirmed joining the EU in 1975, doing so with only the actual vote of 37% of the electorate would seem to be woefully inadequate for such a major decision. I think the vote should be taken again, offering a choice between the only two real options available, leave with no deal or remain and that only a majority of the whole electorate would suffice to sustain a "leave" vote. Effectively, that would mean that non-voters would be interpreted as endorsing the status quo, a reasonal assumption on the face of it. Thereafter, the British should amend their constitutional theory of governement to reflect the realization that it is now based on popular sovereignty and no longer parliamentary sovereignty.
@timor64
@timor64 6 жыл бұрын
The entire process was defective because the assumption was Remain would win. If they were serious they would have done something like NZ did when it changed its voting systems. Two referendums. First one - here are four possible models, most popular one voted forward. Second referendum - Would you rather this model, or what we have now. NZ changed its voting system with little rancour and nobody could say "people who voted to change didn't vote for this". Anyway - theres nothing wrong with referenda but everything wrong with this referendum
@SomePotato
@SomePotato 6 жыл бұрын
With a 52% to 48% result, on the most important political question the UK will decide in decades, at the very least, May should have called all the parties in parliament to the table and form a broad consensus on what Brexit actually was going to mean. This issue is far to important for political games and really needs, for lack of a better term, a government of national unity. Instead she unilaterally set up some red lines. And she called a snap election for short-term political gain, that even cost her the majority and made her depend on NI extremists and hostage to hard brexiteers in her own party.
@haroldbridges515
@haroldbridges515 6 жыл бұрын
@@SomePotato Under the assumption that the British leadership intended to act in the best interests of the nation the mess that has resulted would appear to be due to gross incompetence. However, the simpler explanation is that none of the UK bad actors in this scenario have ever had the best interests of their country remotely at heart. Instead, they have pursued their personal political and financial objectives very much to the detriment of the body politic. Sounds like Mexico, i.e. how Britain proceeds to become a failed state. So, to call for responsible leadership that acts above self-interest would amount to waiting for the unicorns to arrive.
@tylerclark3045
@tylerclark3045 6 жыл бұрын
So a new referendum requiring 75% to overturn the Brexit vote?
@haroldbridges515
@haroldbridges515 6 жыл бұрын
@@tylerclark3045 The 1975 referendum affirming Britain's entry into the EU passed with 67% voting in favor and 64% participation. So, 42% of the electorate approved. The June, 2016 vote to leave passed with only 37% of the electorate. It hardly makes sense that a prior decision should be overturned with a smaller vote (by percentage.) In both cases at the time of the vote the UK was already in the EU, so those who abstained from voting in both cases should properly be counted as approving the status quo, i.e. remain. In my opinion, the absolute minimum vote to leave that should be permitted to overturn existing policy approved by a referendum should be 51% of the electorate (including abstainers), but probably closer to 60%.
@JoelJames2
@JoelJames2 6 жыл бұрын
As an outsider, can someone answer a question for me: Why has there been no mention of the part of the Good Friday Agreement that allows N. Ireland to join with Ireland? I understand that the UK would fight dearly against this option, but it is still worth mentioning since it is an option, right?
@pupsiuspupuliukas2394
@pupsiuspupuliukas2394 6 жыл бұрын
I think because everyone in both countries is aware of that and it isn't an issue at the moment
@malahammer
@malahammer 6 жыл бұрын
1. Around 50% of the population are Protestant, so we assume most are loyalist/unionist. And it's more than like that 90% of these would not want to join with Ireland. More terrorism??? 2. The UK subsidise NI with a figure between £12bn and £24.1bn a year. Ireland could not afford any of that 3. There is a public service pension timebomb liability in NI as the UK government employs a lot more public servants in the UK than elsewhere. Ireland couldn't afford that. 4. NI already has a fiscal deficit (2013-14 was £9.3 billion (€12 billion)). Who would take ownership of that! 5. Think of the Legal and constitutional issues :(
@JoelJames2
@JoelJames2 6 жыл бұрын
Paul Furey Thanks for the answer. Given how many times debts and subsidization has come up in this video series, I'm surprised that those answers didn't occur to me.
@lostintashkent
@lostintashkent 6 жыл бұрын
JoelJames2: I think most people in Great Britain would actually greet N.Ireland finally deciding to leave the Union. The place is considered trouble. Many Brits don't identify with N.I. protestants' religious views and laws.
@malahammer
@malahammer 6 жыл бұрын
@@lostintashkent They are a bit mad their alright. BTW the clocks go back 1 hour tonight for most - except for the DUP in NI. Their clocks go back to 1690!
@MrJohn3265
@MrJohn3265 6 жыл бұрын
I speculate that the following is understood by most MPs... 1. Mrs May will not get a deal acceptable to the EU and Parliament. 2. It is impossible to leave next March without a deal. There would be chaos. 3. Therefore we will have to accept some sort of Norway-EEA arrangement after March. It will be agreed at the last minute, to avoid chaos. We will remain in the single market and the customs union. 4. Most MPs hope and expect everyone will get bored with Brexit and accept this solution. 5. Most of the politics and negotiations going on are grandstanding. Almost everyone knows, but dare not say, this is the only solution.
@AtheistEve
@AtheistEve 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t think people would be any less easy to fool if we had another referendum. I still lean in favour of remaining although I don’t think we were ever truly _in_ the EU anyway.
@Pindasaus
@Pindasaus 6 жыл бұрын
JE Hoyes but is that the eu’s fault or uk’s own fault 😉
@blameyourself4489
@blameyourself4489 6 жыл бұрын
JE Hoyes. Don't underestimate the role of the UK in the EU and vice versa. :-)
@jontmusiteur55
@jontmusiteur55 6 жыл бұрын
That was my position before and at the vote. Now I see the mess that it's made of the UK - a liquefied government, vulnerability to chaos capitalists and the difficulties in reaching any kind of agreement (let alone a "good" one, whatever that is), I'm in favour of a second referendum. Because once March 29 comes and goes that's it, no more chances, and whatever the future brings (I don't see it as being good, as that's when the hard work really begins and the current government is clearly not up to it), a final decision not to have that second referendum will stay with the Brits forever.
@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan
@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan 6 жыл бұрын
JE Hoyes. Less in, more under.
@blameyourself4489
@blameyourself4489 6 жыл бұрын
Jont. When I was a kid, we had the Spaceshuttle and the Concorde and the Brits could move freely in 27 other countries. Can't wait for people in the UK to explain that last one to the upcoming generation.
@volkhen0
@volkhen0 6 жыл бұрын
Voting to leave is like buying a house without seeing it, knowing how many rooms there is or knowing if it need renovation. Good luck!
@TorianTammas
@TorianTammas 6 жыл бұрын
Voting to leave is like burning down your room and telling your room mates that you will be living in a palace and then you wake up on the street without a place to stay.
@Voltanaut
@Voltanaut 6 жыл бұрын
I'm pro a second vote, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. If leave wins the vote for a second time, that means a hard Brexit with no deal. If you don't like that, then no vote. Why should we just give you a free second vote? I don't if it's what you want. The majority of people wanted to leave, so why shouldn't we kowtow to the minority even if the circumstances have changed?
@planetsaturn1300
@planetsaturn1300 6 жыл бұрын
Great series of videos. Keep up the good work!
@jb-r9717
@jb-r9717 6 жыл бұрын
Mr Cameron just open the Pandora"s box and left after leaving the problem to uk people, cause no one make a plan before started all of this . Thanks for the video
@matthiashartmann2323
@matthiashartmann2323 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis !
@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548
@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548 6 жыл бұрын
Guernsey have an interesting trade deal with the EU
@Kenji1358
@Kenji1358 6 жыл бұрын
Rather than having a second referendum that's similar to the first one, why don't they just make it a questionnaire? Ask everything like their opinions on the irish border, custom union, etc . Release the question and options one or two months earlier so people can do their research. Have a "Don't care" box so they can skip questions without invalidating their other choices. Why spend all those time and money just to come up with a question with 2~3 boxes to choose from?
@Mysterios1989
@Mysterios1989 6 жыл бұрын
I think, the main issue of the first referendum is that it was not properly democratical. People living outside of the UK were largly excluded from the vote because they were "not british enough" anymore, while they now have to face the danger of being kicked out of the UK. Also, that the leave campaign not only bend the truth, but flat out lied about it and revocked nearly every claim the day after the referendum makes the legitamacy of that vote questionable at best. Not to mention what came out with Cambridge Analytica and the envolvment of Russia. All in all, because the proper democratic rules of the first refrendum were kicked in the ground, the legitimacy without a second referendum is not there.
@SD-tj5dh
@SD-tj5dh 6 жыл бұрын
Most brexiteers still think we have India and Hong Kong.
@scubardiveshop1389
@scubardiveshop1389 6 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your hard work on these videos. I feel confused by the news... thanks again!
@alignmentsixtrading4200
@alignmentsixtrading4200 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t think the videos are biased. People who voted to leave are hunting for happy stories in the middle of the mess. Instead leavers should just accept the mess as part of the process. U.K. will only be great if the ppl chose for it to be long after all this is done and not because it left the EU.
@Mais46
@Mais46 6 жыл бұрын
I believe that GB is the main problem in this negotation. There is no clear majority in the goverment for any kind of possible szenario which only leaves the default option. This option is suboptimal because it breaks the good friday agreement. I think the UK should either: 1. hold another election to get some kind of majority 2. hold a peoples vote (maybe even without remaing in the EU as an option) 3. ask the people of north ireland (unifiy with irland or ignore the good friday agreement) 4. use the default option and life with the resulting political instability
@malahammer
@malahammer 6 жыл бұрын
The likes of BoJo, Mogg, Villiers, Duncan Smith, Davies are the problem! And they do not give a fcuk about Johnny Voter, only their own deluded and selfish reasons. The twisted tories are the UK's only problem....you need to sort them out!!!
@popelgruner595
@popelgruner595 6 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the Scots. If Brexit happens Sturgeon will blow up GB and man the Hadrian's wall to block the English from setting a foot on Scottish soil.
@PanglossDr
@PanglossDr 6 жыл бұрын
The title is completely wrong. This is not and never has been a negotiation. The EU state their requirements to safeguard the 27 who remain and, so far, the UK government has caved in to everything, This will continue to the bitter end. The UK has had absolutely zero bargaining power in this since the beginning.
@dariusgunter5344
@dariusgunter5344 6 жыл бұрын
I think you make a good job to make these videos as opinion free as possible ^^. The reason to leave are now that the eu shows that they do not want to negotiat easy with the uk weaker than bevore (which is good in my opinion because the eu is an important project).
@nicunicul1911
@nicunicul1911 6 жыл бұрын
"bevore" Bist du Deutscher?
@dariusgunter5344
@dariusgunter5344 6 жыл бұрын
@@nicunicul1911 ja 😂 mit lrs das macht es nur schlimmer 😂
@ruadamaon42esq
@ruadamaon42esq 6 жыл бұрын
Keep up with your great work!
@gmarthews
@gmarthews 6 жыл бұрын
Can everyone who finds themselves talking to a Brexiteer, please ensure that they choose between either an Irish Sea border or keeping the UK in the Customs Union and Single Market as these are the only choices which keep the border open. If they choose them fine there are consequences for that choice, but don't let them indulge in wishful thinking about technology or change the subject.
@andykay8949
@andykay8949 6 жыл бұрын
Hold a referendum in Northern Ireland about joining Ireland. YES - join Ireland and stay in EU. NO - stay in UK, leave the EU, and have hard border with Ireland. Seems fair to me.
@malteaser507
@malteaser507 6 жыл бұрын
This video might seem confusing to whoever is not following Brexit talks.... But it's perfectly presented..... The confusion isn't in the video but in the talks! 😄
@j.obrien4990
@j.obrien4990 6 жыл бұрын
I bet Scotland would welcome the backstop border being moved to include Scotland.
@timor64
@timor64 6 жыл бұрын
Just supported you on patreon. My first suggestion - please stop putting ads in the middle of you video. Almost no-one else does it - it's extremely annoying - this time it came mid sentence.
@arekkrolak6320
@arekkrolak6320 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, I have actually learnt something from this video, plural of bus is busses o_0
@rafaelalberto7127
@rafaelalberto7127 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@geniemiki
@geniemiki 6 жыл бұрын
I'm pro EU, but what the EU is essentially proposing is to annex/occupy Northern Ireland for the time being, which I find is the perfect illustration of the fact that Brexit was neeeever thought out properly xDD
@swanpride
@swanpride 6 жыл бұрын
???? Brexit doesn't change quickly. We have been trapped in Groundhog deal for two years now. The negotiation keeps circling the same three issues. There is still only one Backstop. The UK originally agreed to it because the EU would have otherwise walked away from the negotiation table and is now acting as if they didn't understand what they agreed to.
@malahammer
@malahammer 6 жыл бұрын
May agreed with the EU in December only to be torn apart by her very own BoJo, Mogg, Villiers, Duncan Smith, Davies et al!
@swanpride
@swanpride 6 жыл бұрын
It's a pattern...she promises something to the EU and then comes home to assure everything that she didn't mean it this way as if the EU leaders are unable to read the British press. Even the damned divorce bill, which was seemingly cleared up, is now back in the game thanks to Raab threatening that the UK won't pay it.
@TorianTammas
@TorianTammas 6 жыл бұрын
swanpride - The Tories are unable to vote any Brexit treaty through Parliament. So it is rather meaningless to talk to May. The Tories should either give May a mandate for negotiations or just let it do a government that is actually a government that has a majority.
@Diletantique
@Diletantique 6 жыл бұрын
13:05 My problem with the "Situation has Changed" argument is, that in a sense the situation really hasn't changed that much. Most of the issues were known at the time of the referendum. The most difficult issue, the Northern Irish border, was known to be a potentially enormous issue already at a time of the vote, but for some reason it wasn't anywhere near the focus on public debate. The facts were there for anyone to look up, why should we expect people to make any more informed decisions on another round?
@sodaking6858
@sodaking6858 6 жыл бұрын
If that bitter cow wasn't in charge we would have had NI sorted months ago
@endintiers
@endintiers 6 жыл бұрын
A sensible government would just stay in the customs union and single market - the wording of the referendum wasn't about that (and in any case was only advisory). Problem solved.
@darylwalsh7581
@darylwalsh7581 6 жыл бұрын
It's not an Irish border it's a British border in Ireland the Irish border is the sea
@christophmilton3946
@christophmilton3946 6 жыл бұрын
IF there was another Referendum there should be 3 choises. 1. Remain (And try to repair relations) 2. Leave with soft Brexit (Best deal possible) 3. Leave by any means or Hard Brexit (If no deal can be reached then leave regardless) This way IF there is a second referendum it will be more clear how people actually feel regarding this whole contravesty.
@christophmilton3946
@christophmilton3946 6 жыл бұрын
Obviously this wont be giving the hard choises May (or any other PM) has to make over to the public, but it will at least help inform the PM of how the country feels going forward at such a critical period of the negotiations.
@vincentjoly9889
@vincentjoly9889 6 жыл бұрын
UK answered "leave" to the question "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the EUROPEAN UNION or leave the European Union?" Then UK has to leave the EU. But I also think UK needs a second referendum about future relationships with the EU. "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the CUSTOMS UNION & SINGLE MARKET?" If the answer is "remain", then there is no problem anymore with Nothern Ireland.
@MrAapasuo
@MrAapasuo 6 жыл бұрын
@@vincentjoly9889 But UK wont get to remain in Customs Unions, at least on sny terms offered so far
@Nemothewonderfish
@Nemothewonderfish 6 жыл бұрын
There is no deal. The current round is simple agree 1. Financial settlement. Done. 2. Protect rights of expats. Agreed. 3. Agree no physical Irish NI border. Agreed Dec 2017. What happened a revolt in the Tory and DUP parties who wont accept 3. After this if UK doesnt break its word we have a period to agree a trade deal. So how can we vote on a deal?
@FriedrichHerschel
@FriedrichHerschel 6 жыл бұрын
A Norway-deal would be leaving the EU, and that was one option suggested before the referendum. Yes, that's leaving the EU only in name, but technically this is all that was on the ballot. There never was a decision made by the people of how hard or soft brexit should be. Considering the slim margin of 1.8%, you propably only have a real majority for a soft brexit. A 2nd refrendum should have these 4 options, AFTER the government got a deal: 1. deal is not good enough, rather remain in the EU 2. deal is not good enough, re-negiotiate 3. deal is good enough, leave under these terms 4. deal is not good enough, leave without further negotiations (no deal brexit) Since options 2+3+4 all are in favor for leaving, option 1 has to have more votes then these 3 combined, otherwise it would only be a tactic to split the leave voters. This would allow the british people to make an informed decision.
@lavayuki
@lavayuki 6 жыл бұрын
The Northern Ireland thing seems to causing the most issues, I don't think anyone thought about it when they voted
@timor64
@timor64 6 жыл бұрын
The Northern Ireland "thing" is a Gordian knot caused by 500 years of Anglo-Irish warfare/alliance. Britain (I use that description advisedly) at least subconsciously made the assumption that they could get it's little neighbour do do as it wanted. What it didn't bargain for is that many many countries in the EU are also little and it is exactly this kind of behaviour that the EU protects them from. That is why there are so "inflexible"
@malahammer
@malahammer 6 жыл бұрын
Nobody thought anything through and all they were fed were lies and wild dreams!
@sodaking6858
@sodaking6858 6 жыл бұрын
@@malahammer its true tho not once was northern Ireland mentioned it was a case of right we left the EU now what are we gonna do about northern Ireland huh what do you mean uh we have to talk about the northern Ireland problem what problem ? The border with the republic you know now that were leaving the EU what will become of the border oh gosh didn't think of that what are we gonna do now
@D1nGD4nGD0nG
@D1nGD4nGD0nG 6 жыл бұрын
Lava Yuki I think the reason behind this is London doesnt care a single bit about NOI, and neither do the people in britan. The EU always pointed out that problem and pressure for a solution but the UK government just ignored it.
@lavayuki
@lavayuki 6 жыл бұрын
@@sodaking6858 Agreed, I think most people in the UK just thought of England, Scotland and Whales and forgot about the extra bit they have, probably because it's not exactly physically "attached" to the UK, and it's also mostly Irish that freely drive across the border, which is likely something that never even occurred to the minds of anyone here.
@eddyparapente483
@eddyparapente483 6 жыл бұрын
Great series of videos. As usual, an expert view as here is much more effective to help people understand this complex issue than listening to politicians, always biaised and tempted to bullshit rather than making things clear. Well done TLDR.
@TechToWatch
@TechToWatch 6 жыл бұрын
Good summary videos. If we are considering a 2nd referendum to again decide if we should leave or remain and if it's true that at the first referendum people were not properly informed about either side of the debate, how about a video showing the perspective from the EU & it's member states of the effect of the UK leaving & remaining? Also, an overview of what the EU is, how it is structured, how it works, what its objectives are, how it will develop over the next 50 years and how continuing membership will affect the British people. That is, the same questions being posed about Brexit. Were the British aware of what it is that they were asked to vote to remain a member of? Is the EU democratictally accountable? Is it "a German racket"? Does it wish to be a super state? A Soviet Union with a human face, perhaps? What are the plans & hopes of the commited EUphiles when they meet in bars & talk? If "pooling of sovereignty" is a thing, what does it mean in practice? Cameron & others asserted it was better to affect change within the EU as a member than to leave. What changes did they have in mind to correct which failings? Has such attempts at change been successful before? If it is truly too difficult to leave, when did that become true? Maastricht? Lisbon? I suspect the Lisbon treaty was the major step change when the EEC that the British voted to join closed, and without much public debate our government joined the new EU. If people are discontent with the process of leaving, maybe it's the process that's at fault rather than the wish to leave. The option to leave did not exist before Lisbon. The relevant treaty article written by a pro EU lawyer employed by the commission. The referendum choice given to voters was simply whether to leave. Everything else was at the instigation of the EU & it's supporters. If the referendum had gone the other way would British sovereignty have been lost forever? If we are to dilute or delegate our sovereignty we should be clear about why we are doing it and why it's a good long term thing.
@tantecosenelmondo2350
@tantecosenelmondo2350 6 жыл бұрын
I think the EU want be a superstate. I only hope that will not became a federation.
@yaroslaf3060
@yaroslaf3060 6 жыл бұрын
A couple of facts/opinions: Fact. 09:00 Yes, It was discused during the campaign. One side warn that was going to be difficult and the other claiming that was going to be "the easiest deal ever made". Opinion: A new vote would be interesting (and people is today more informed), but I think is too late to make another referendum (I mean... we have until march). Thanks for what you´re doing, keeping people informed.
@cloverhal2284
@cloverhal2284 6 жыл бұрын
I’m french and recently I went to London. I was shocked to hear that people believe France betrayed the UK. Someone actually told me that because the UK helped to liberate our country in ww2 we should help them with Brexit... Is it a common belief in London/the UK ?
@BMWMav
@BMWMav 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks
@Gingerbiscuit63
@Gingerbiscuit63 6 жыл бұрын
Only one small correction: Buses is the plural form of Bus rather than Busses.
@alm434
@alm434 6 жыл бұрын
There might be third option to end backstop. Referendum in NI asking them exactly what they would like. We know DUP position, what about the rest?
@hyksos74
@hyksos74 6 жыл бұрын
Yep, that would be sensible. It would never get through parliament.
@malahammer
@malahammer 6 жыл бұрын
@@hyksos74 And no way would the unionists allow it. Foster would explode.
@saintjust5925
@saintjust5925 6 жыл бұрын
It doesn't even matter what you voted back in 2016 anymore - as Brexit has devolved into a total mess. Even the front bench can't produce a coherent message about what they're looking to achieve through these negotiations, excepting TM's halting please-all and please-nobody compromise .. But ... *Sigh* .. those who have formed their political identity around jumping off a cliff will still insist that the positives of this decision are presented equally with the negatives ..
@paulszymanski1005
@paulszymanski1005 6 жыл бұрын
Great job!!! Please ignore all those who do not like diversity of opinions. We are all entitled to our own opinions, if they do not like what you have been doing, they should not bother watching. Thank you for your reporting on this painful issue.
@Colmgreen
@Colmgreen 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video. Particularly the explanation about the legal reasons for having a trade border. Just a couple of slight points. The Backstop isn't primarily about keeping the peace between Ireland and Northern Ireland. The Peace is more of an internal NI thing. The other thing is that it's not primarily about peace as such, it's about the principle of the EU making the UK stick to an international agreement that it has with an EU state. The GFA allows over 100 areas of cross border co-operation, (like an all Island Agricultural market, and Electricity market) that need NI to be in the Customs union, and stick to single market regulations to function. If there's no backstop (or better) then the GFA effectively collapses. That along with the EU not wanting an unenforceable 300km customs border is why it's in the first stage of negotiations in the Withdrawal agreement, along with the other Obligations that the UK needs to address, before it leaves the EU on good terms. (The others being Money, and guaranteeing the rights of EU residents in the UK) And this is the crucial bit. The UK has to agree to the backstop, pretty much in the form that the EU have put forward by no later than december if they are going to get it ratified in time for the UK's exit date. If they don't, then it's a hard, and sudden Brexit. A Brexit where the UK has walked away from its obligations to the EU. Where the UK has broken an international treaty with an EU state, where it has messed around its citizens in the UK, and where the UK owes it Money. I don't think that people in the UK realize how close to an incredibly hard Brexit we are, and that if this backstop isn't agreed to the satisfaction of the EU and Ireland, within the next couple of weeks, then we're all going to be in a lot of trouble.
@Colmgreen
@Colmgreen 6 жыл бұрын
Oh and The backstop would definitely apply in full in the event of the UK leaving the Customs Union and getting a Canada ++ trade deal. Indeed a lot of it would still apply if the UK remained in the Customs Union. (the single market aspects) Only Staying in the EEA would lead to it mostly not coming into force.
@artificialgravitas8954
@artificialgravitas8954 6 жыл бұрын
The answer: they're going badly or we're at a standstill How do I know that? They're always going badly [what did we expect]
@charliesmith1358
@charliesmith1358 6 жыл бұрын
Honestly as a British citizen I'm on board with the EU backstop, kinda. We should use that as the template and negotiate for some assurances that stops it from being a slippery slope, then vote to make it active as soon as possible so we can get other negotiations started. Plus it might break/damage the relationship between the tories and DUP which can only be a good thing
@sodaking6858
@sodaking6858 6 жыл бұрын
My main concern is the north will be thrown under the bus if it could make a deal a little better for england
@michaelkalus7802
@michaelkalus7802 6 жыл бұрын
There is no real slippery slope with the backstop. It only applies if there is no other solution. If all that wonderful technology people like Rees-Mogg are gaffing about works as advertised the backstop will never even be enacted. The moment they find a different solution that works, the backstop will end. This idea of it "being a never ending backstop" only comes true if ERG et. al. are just blowing hot air, which we all know could never be the case because Rees-Mogg sounds totally intelligent. /s
@Ikbeneengeit
@Ikbeneengeit 6 жыл бұрын
Hurrah for your dry sense of humour and calming voice.
@markshirley01
@markshirley01 6 жыл бұрын
Hopefully we'll rejoin when Brexit is exposed for what it is a fantasy.
@ietomos7634
@ietomos7634 6 жыл бұрын
Is the video meant to be funny? You claim the EU needs strong external borders, yet the EU is useless at stopping illegal migration. As for the Irish border issue. What's the problem? Britain has had the common travel area scheme with the ROE since 1923! That's right 1923.
@richardcoulson6027
@richardcoulson6027 6 жыл бұрын
A note on tone: This show worked better for me when you were simply stating the facts in the simplest manner possible. You don’t need to try to be entertaining, in fact it makes the show seem less credible.
@johnhobbes2268
@johnhobbes2268 6 жыл бұрын
I think a second referendum is inevitably for two reasons. First you have a deadlock in parliament. And second it is the only way to prevent violence. Many people think that the first outcome was cheated and especially Scotland and NI were forced out against their will. It doesn't matter if they re right but this is how they will legitimize their violence. If the outcome of the second referendum is leave again it is far more likely that it will be accepted. The only problem is if the outcome is less than 52% Remain. Than the leavers will riot. Don't get me wrong, I think there will be violence no matter what will happen. But the amount (and public support) of violence will be different.
@sodaking6858
@sodaking6858 6 жыл бұрын
Apart from the fact the UK will won't get the same deal they had under the EU due to all the time wasted
@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa
@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa 6 жыл бұрын
The only "cheating" going on is having a second referendum in the first place. This was already voted on, but they're going to force you to vote on it again and again until you give them the "correct" answer they wanted the first time. The government uses the same tactic over here all the goddamn time. It's disgusting.
@johnhobbes2268
@johnhobbes2268 6 жыл бұрын
@@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa Who is they?
@michaelkalus7802
@michaelkalus7802 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but from "the other side" that second Referendum is pointless, so btw is the HOC voting on the deal. Firstly, if there is a new referendum it changes absolutely nothing about the current negotiations. They will end, deal or no deal, on March 29th, unless the UK asks for an extension and can somehow convince all 27 other members to agree to it (see Article 50). Odds of this happening are low. In no small part due to the behaviour of the British Government in the way they deal with the EU and its individual member states. That "divide and conquer" has made sure there will be at least ONE country that's going to give the UK the finger. Secondly, even IF you, say, get a new Referendum through and you vote Remain then what? Remainers seem to think that the UK Government can just withdraw the Article 50 letter and then it's going to be business as usual. I have my doubts about that for two reasons. 1. Article 50 requires unanimous consent from all EU member states just to extend the negotiation period, so it is unlikely that the "oops, we were just kidding" is going to happen without them having to agree. But we will know by the end of the month when the ECJ is going to issue its ruling. 2. There is no way that Theresa May or any other PM is going to have the guts to actually do it. She can't even agree to a backstop because of the rabid Brexiteers in her party and you think she, or anybody else, would be willing to withdraw from the withdrawl? Both sides in the UK are deluded, the remainers who think they can just make it all go away and pretend it never happened, and the Brexiteers who see sunny uploads and a wide open world to go buccaneering in. Both sides seem to have lost touch with reality quite a while ago.
@johnhobbes2268
@johnhobbes2268 6 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkalus7802 I agree that the extension of the divorce period is close to impossible. But the withdrawal of article 50 should be possible without the agreement of all other members. It would be a matter for the ECJ to confirm this action but even if they declare the withdrawal (without the agreement of the other states) for illegal there would be enough time to create a solution which would allow the UK to stay in. I'm pretty sure that there are legal possibilities which require only a qualified majority. I don't see a problem in parliament. More than half of tories and 3/4 of labour MPs are Remainers who just "accept the will of the majority". If they could make an argument that the "will of the majority" has changed than they could get the votes very easily. Where I have to agree is that even if the UK would stay in the EU this wouldn't mean that everything would return to normal.
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks to your channel I have detailed and documented information about Brexit, thak you so much! Here in Spain we only have a EU's position idea, but is so useful and interesting to have also the UK perception 😃
@edwardlook970
@edwardlook970 6 жыл бұрын
I suspect the UK is in a check mate position but is trying to find a way out of it. It'll probably throw the board and pieces in the air, better known as the ERG gambit.
@jimsy5530
@jimsy5530 6 жыл бұрын
Brexit is just RAGEQUIT anyway.
@michaelkalus7802
@michaelkalus7802 6 жыл бұрын
@@jimsy5530 Thing is: They will get kicked out of the Server March 29th, unless they figure out how to play the game and reconnect their controller.
@Annaghann
@Annaghann 6 жыл бұрын
Great video
@miggu
@miggu 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the effort and the incredibly well designed and explained illustration of this almost unsolvable puzzle. A real gem. I only have one question: if no solution has been reached for the NI border issue in 2 years... why is it that there are some people who expect that that will change with extra time?
@born2burn1
@born2burn1 6 жыл бұрын
I disagree with having a second referendum. Pointless. I propose a motion for politicians who made promises and then jumped ship to have their political careers ended (Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox and the like). They lied in the public's face to further their own agenda.
@sodaking6858
@sodaking6858 6 жыл бұрын
The reason its pointless is do you honestly think even if the UK voted to stay in the EU do you really think the EU will let you have the same terms ofc not after all the time and money wasted you would have to except weaker terms which is already going down badly for leaving and of course you would have to remember it would really anger many of the leaver's who would riot in the street further making the problem worse it doesn't seem like a second referendum is really logical best outcome is the public get to vote on the final deal but Remain is not one of the option's
@born2burn1
@born2burn1 6 жыл бұрын
@@sodaking6858 OMG dude, grammar. Use punctuation marks, will you? The second referendum would be too expensive, too late, would likely not resolve anything and cause more problems. Many remainers would vote leave just to see this ordeal come to an end. Many leavers have changed their mind seeing the implications Brexit has. The vote would be too close for comfort yet again. I am an EU citizen living in the UK and will thus be most affected by Brexit. Considering how things currently stand, I would just like to know what my future will be. That is the biggest issue. Noone knows.
@Bobbydyland
@Bobbydyland 6 жыл бұрын
TBH, the issue of the Backstop as the EU raised causes more problems that it solves. If the customs boarder can be put in the Irish sea, then why can't it be put along Hadrian wall? And if Scotland is in a different customs area to England and Wales they may as well be independent. Is the breakup of Great Britain really worth having control over the 33% of immigration from Europe (since only 33% of our immigration comes from there)?
@michaelkalus7802
@michaelkalus7802 6 жыл бұрын
Because Scotland does not share a land border with the rest of the EU? The only reason this becomes an issue in Ireland is because of the Good Friday agreement and the way the border in Ireland works right now: It does not exist. The UK as a whole is part of the European Union, not Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland separately.
@fleite34
@fleite34 6 жыл бұрын
The referendum was all about, let's make people's mind and think of the consequences later. The Irish border is a squared circle. You can't reach a deal without damaging/offending somebody in the process. The EU is better off without the UK, the divorce must go on.
@alignmentsixtrading4200
@alignmentsixtrading4200 6 жыл бұрын
This is a confusing part - the EU recommend that NI remain in the EU for the backstop. The EU also wants the U.K. to stay in the EU. The EU also want the U.K. to stay with unlimited time in the negotiations. However when the U.K. counter by saying that if NI stays in the customs union so will the entire U.K. as the back stop...isn’t this what the EU wants? Why are they against it what they want which is to keep the U.K. right there?
@pirscho2238
@pirscho2238 6 жыл бұрын
I think they want that the UK makes a decision
@FriedrichHerschel
@FriedrichHerschel 6 жыл бұрын
If the UK leaves the EU, but stays in Customs Union and Single Market as a backstop until a better deal is reached, the UK gets its cake and eat it, too, and has no need to reach a better agreement.
@pirscho2238
@pirscho2238 6 жыл бұрын
And why should the EU let them have it? I mean the whole Problem is that both Parties want a good Deal but both want something different. So i think NO DEAL works better for the EU than for the UK (I have no Problem with the UK just with the Illusions that some People have) PS: Sry for bad english :)
@czarzenana5125
@czarzenana5125 6 жыл бұрын
FriedrichHerschel It's the other way around. The UK is afraid the EU won't have an incentive to come to a free trade agreement if the backstop is indefinite.
@Soraviel
@Soraviel 6 жыл бұрын
how come you've got ads running on your youtube channel when you do not have a tick on your youtube channel
@OndrejSojka
@OndrejSojka 6 жыл бұрын
I don't quite understand why are you putting out a video on the current state of the Brexit deal when we know nothing whatsoever about it. I thought that you would study the current terms that are being negotiated (Theresa May said that 95 % is already agreed upon) and provide us with a shorter version. This is IMO just a pointless rehash of older videos.
@CTCTraining1
@CTCTraining1 6 жыл бұрын
Dear TLDR you are doing a great job explaining Brexit. I can understand how you come to the conclusions that you have. The point you made about those claiming an easy deal was possible, in retrospect, looks bizarre. Still, as The Joni Mitchell song says “... you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone...”. ... hopefully collectively we will learn what it means to be inside or outside a trading block and we can leave it to the next generation to (again) sort out their parent-made problems along with climate change and national debt.
@SomePotato
@SomePotato 6 жыл бұрын
If Davis and Fox weren't lying back then, they were utterly incompetent idiots. I don't know what is worse.
@NinI-hs8yw
@NinI-hs8yw 5 жыл бұрын
I want to see your view of Security in relation to Brexit. Integration of Europe started after WW2 in order to confront USSR. USSR used to support IRA. They wanted to divide the UK by using IRA. Straight after May's deal was rejected at House of Common there were bomb attacks by IRA in Northern Ireland. This area hasn't been discussed much in Media. USA and Five eyes or European army? Or can they both be achieved at the same time? At the moment Jeremy Hunt prefers USA and Five eyes to European army according to his recent speech. Mrs May has also been building up the relationship between UK military and Japan.
@TheCimbrianBull
@TheCimbrianBull 6 жыл бұрын
Just a quick thought; what impact will Brexit have on the Eurofighter cooperation?
@SomePotato
@SomePotato 6 жыл бұрын
The Eurofighter Typhoon is not an EU project. It should be able to carry on, with some hiccups maybe.
@Farniro
@Farniro 6 жыл бұрын
I find it sad but not surprising how greedy the government is with this whole situation. They want to have their cake and eat it and the EU is telling them no. The other nations like Scotland voted with a big remain but the government is still saying "Don't matter what you guys thought, you're leaving with us." and now they're also clinging to Northern Ireland. Correct me if I'm wrong but I am sure NI runs as a deficit so I am not sure what exactly May is trying to keep with that. Needless to say, I live in England I this whole thing is one big headache, politicians lied to get the leave votes (Shocker) and a lot of them aren't even in government anymore. If they're handling this so badly as they are now, why do we think they would be able to sort out new rules, deals and trade if we became independent? Scary prospect is that they can't.
@mattpotter8725
@mattpotter8725 6 жыл бұрын
@TLDR News You missed another vital portion of the electorate out of your venn diagram analysis, the people who didn't vote at all, because some of which didn't because they didn't feel well informed enough at the time. 37% of those eligible to vote voted to leave, 35% voted to remain, which means that 28% didn't vote at all, for whatever reason. This is the largest chunk of the electorate Now sure you can't say all of these would have voted to remain, they wouldn't have, and many probably wouldn't tomorrow if there was a People's Vote, but I believe that with those who voted to Leave who have changed their mind, those who don't want a no deal Brexit there is an overwhelming case for a People's Vote (stop calling it a second referendum, it isn't a rerun and the sooner this is stopped being used the better imo). If those who are pro leave are that confident that what is happening is still for the good of the country then they'd have no problem, as they would win this vote and we will get the deal, or no deal that is the majority opinion. The final point I'd like to make that you haven't addressed in any of your videos is that the EU Referendum was not a legally binding referendum. If when it was announced it had been there would have been higher requirements on turnout and size of vote for it to be passed. So it was called as an advisory referendum, but then turned into a legally binding one by the back door, after the event, which is totally understandable, you can't ignore the electorate, and I'm not suggesting we do now, asking for clarification on the outcome of the negotiations prior to leaving is empowering the people and is not undemocratic. The only people who are against a People's Vote are those that fear that their individual will won't be carried, and their original vote will be overturned, that's how they see it anyway. To leave the EU should have required over 50% of the country, of those eligible to vote to vote to leave. Only 37% of the electorate voted to leave, this isn't a mandate, it isn't the will of the people, it's the will of just over a third of the country and this is why we need a People's Vote!!!
@Darkwintre
@Darkwintre 6 жыл бұрын
Marched for a 2nd Referendum or a vote on which is used to leave? Can't help feeling that needs to be addressed as it's so easy to take advantage of!
@rainer-unsinn
@rainer-unsinn 6 жыл бұрын
The Brexit situation did not change. All this information was out there for everyone to see, even way before the vote. People chose not to inform themselves and now are surprised. The information what a hard Brexit would mean is out there, too. A lot of people again choose to ignore it and will be surprised. At what point do people learn? Or take responsibility? Or just shut up spouting bullshit in the media? TLDR News, great job in providing at least some info in a digestable format. It takes away excuses later. People could have known if they bothered to look.
@fermitupoupon1754
@fermitupoupon1754 6 жыл бұрын
Frankly the suggestions that the UK would be able to get a better deal with the EU through Brexit were obvious lies to begin with. The entire sentiment on the continent has always been that if the UK leaves, then it has to be made sure that they will end up in a worse position. No cherry picking allowed. As a Dutchman I will continue to lobby and write my MPs to do whatever it takes to prevent the UK from retaining access to the common market and customs unions after Brexit. They can go to the back of the line like everyone else. I favour a hard Brexit, because I think that will be the worst possible outcome for the UK and set an example for other countries. The only agreement I want is one that says there will be a 25 year moratorium on new membership talks with the UK. You wanted out, so get out and stay out. Stop stalling, pack up and leave.
@Andreas-rm7yc
@Andreas-rm7yc 6 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha.. What is the point in making a cute easy to understand explanation clip if there is nothing that can be easily resolved or explained? Nevertheless, hats off to this most honest and personal of clips so far.
@Darkwintre
@Darkwintre 6 жыл бұрын
Biased towards Remain? I think you're doing fine and I'm a Leaver!
@santfu
@santfu 6 жыл бұрын
All neutral commentaries on the actual position of Brexit will feel biased towards remain because leave was sold before the vote as "the easiest to do deal in history"
@Darkwintre
@Darkwintre 6 жыл бұрын
Ignoring the fact Leave was never planned for and the subsequent mess emphasises that?
@maglorian
@maglorian 6 жыл бұрын
May I ask, why did you vote leave? I’m interested as to how you reached that conclusion.
@gentlemanvontweed7147
@gentlemanvontweed7147 6 жыл бұрын
@@maglorian I voted leave for the sport. Got dual nationality to the Netherlands anyway so fuck it. It's been a blast following the circus.
@UninstallingWindows
@UninstallingWindows 6 жыл бұрын
the first referendum shouldn't even count. Small-scale decisions can be decided by small margins, large-scale decisions should always require large margins. E.g If people are voting on something really important, and the results are 48-52 then no action should be taken. It should take at least 70-30 support to make large-scale reformations.
@LH1980XX
@LH1980XX 6 жыл бұрын
The transition period is not guaranteed. It won't happen if there is no WA.
@ElectricityTaster
@ElectricityTaster 6 жыл бұрын
Wasn't able to vote fro brexit, yet it will affect me more than the angry old man living in cornwall who strung an upside down union jack between two wheelie bins.
@madman19979
@madman19979 6 жыл бұрын
You couldn't vote because you were a child, now pipe down.
@ElectricityTaster
@ElectricityTaster 6 жыл бұрын
This goes to show how woefully ignorant you are. Britons who had been outside of the UK for over 15 years were not allowed to vote. Completely arbitrary and contrary to our rights, but that is how corrupt Westminster has become. And like all corrupt systems, the blame is always placed somewhere else. After the UK leaves the EU they will probably blame Wales for all the country's failings, like the NHS. I believe Russia works in the same way. I'm not saying the EU is perfect, but at least there aren't confirmed pig fuckers and politicians that affirm the naughtiest thing they have ever done is run around in a field. But hey, let's give complete power to these morons and wave goodbye to EU checks and balances. If we were Italy I'd understand not wanting to leave the EU because then our Italian politicians would just print money and get out of control, but that could never happen in the UK because we are better; we are ruled by confirmed pig fuckers and naughty field runners. And we have the hominid Boris Johnson as a backup. Not only that, but the queen is about to turn up her toes and that means Charles will be king. It is looking so bleak even Wales might start asking for independence. I'm not going to pipe down. These fuckers took away my right to vote. Who the hell do they think they are? And then they talk about the EU taking away our sovereignty. Same old projecting their own shortcomings onto the EU. The whole lot should be in prison (except the queen).
@madman19979
@madman19979 6 жыл бұрын
​@@ElectricityTaster You realise the whole fucking point of leaving the EU was so we could hold our own politicans accountable for their bullshit, right? That's literally the point of having national fucking sovreignty; so that the political class can't just shrug their shoulders and tell us that their hands are tied, or that they can't do this and they can't do that, blah blah blah. And yet here you are, using Leave campaign talking points while telling me that leaving the EU was a terrible idea. You're saying our politicians constantly shift blame to the EU for their shortcomings, so let's stay in the EU where they can carry on doing it ad infinitum? Are you even reading what you write here? Do you think we can hold Brussels accountable when they pass some bullshit no-one voted for and no-one wanted? Because that's laughable if so.
@Nemothewonderfish
@Nemothewonderfish 6 жыл бұрын
NI already has very different laws eg look at the abortion argument. Ni has very strict abortion laws. That's a bigger deal than the "back stop". NI leaving anyway - demographics and the GF agreement mean it will happen. It will within a decade.
@SomePotato
@SomePotato 6 жыл бұрын
It's the DUP. Hadn't May lost her majority in that stupid snap election, the backstop would have long been accepted.
@sodaking6858
@sodaking6858 6 жыл бұрын
@@SomePotato may made a deal with the devil this is why it hasn't been sorted it cause of that Black Hearted Unionist known as Arlene Foster
@EllaBellaMozzarella
@EllaBellaMozzarella 6 жыл бұрын
Gay marriage is also still illegal in NI as far as I'm aware - it's more of an orbiter to the UK than the other countries are, at least to me it seems.
@rossklatte7073
@rossklatte7073 6 жыл бұрын
In a used-car transaction, both the buyer and the seller use exaggeration to try for a better price. This is what's happening now between Germany and England. When a politician says "absolutely unacceptable" what he means is "well, it depends..." Nothing of what Merkle and May are saying will have no meaning (and little truth) until March 29. A truly hard border with the Irish republic is difficult to believe. My guess is that a "hard" border will be extremely leaky.
@danielseddon3177
@danielseddon3177 6 жыл бұрын
To state that a hard border is needed is essentially a Remainer belief based on faith alone. To be balanced would be to point to the views of Brexiteers (non-statists) - regulations are not to be conflated with the laws of physics and they can actually be broken/reworked....
@susangavaghan
@susangavaghan 6 жыл бұрын
This was extremely informative. There is really only one solution as far as I can see - a second referendum.
@Arka47o92
@Arka47o92 6 жыл бұрын
First I want to say : Suscribed. You made a huge work on that and I will take an immense pleasure to watch this just before my exam to enter the French foreign ministry. ;) Having different point of view is what matter in diplomacy. Now let's place to what I think of this mess. Through history, England and France were... really close. Sometimes too close. We used to hate each other as we were the dominants on this world. But after the last tragedy which was the WWII, European decides together to create what we now call European Union. And despite your isolationist character as an island you joined us for the greater good. ^^ We worked together. In a lot of domain such as defense agriculture or science... But after several dispute, you decided to make a vote... to leave EU. To live a dream of cooperation peace and development. You have your reason and I agree with some of them. Especially the governance problem that we can have. But instead of trying to solve them you left us... I can't let the comment say that you were not well informed. You made a choice In regards of your history, Of your culture, of a strong power and a lone island. I understand but I feel damn sad. I learn to like you UK lads. You've got an incredible flegme a damn sense of humour. And a strong character. My ancestor used to hate you I learned to like you. Bon vents amis anglais, gallois, écossais et irlandais du Nord. Ma porte vous sera toujours ouverte à Paris ou en Bretagne. Soyez fiers et forts comme toujours. *Pardonnez moi pour les fautes, j'espère avoir été clair et concis.
@monarchist1838
@monarchist1838 6 жыл бұрын
What? We have tried to make reform for decades but unelected old commissioners refused. Reform is impossible. In the last 20 years we have made over 70 objections to the EU courts and over 70 times, rejected. The EU tend to ignore referendums that don't go their way as in France, Ireland and the Netherlands. However, with Britain they cannot.
@Arka47o92
@Arka47o92 6 жыл бұрын
@@monarchist1838 I know it's damn complicated! But we are 500 millions, 27 countries and government. Rome didn't build in one day. Success take time.
@Lufefe
@Lufefe 5 жыл бұрын
One year anniversary and Brexit is still difficult to call.
@jude9411
@jude9411 6 жыл бұрын
I do not mind a peoples vote as long as there is no option to remain in the EU. That has already been decided. A vote to accept the deal or leave on WTO rules can only be the options. People are then given a choice in the direction the country should go after Brexit
@Crissov
@Crissov 6 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video that explains the position of the head of state, i.e. Queen Elizabeth II, and why it is neither well known nor does not seem to matter at all, or rather whether it could matter legally?
@honeyglazedgammon2318
@honeyglazedgammon2318 6 жыл бұрын
Tedious. David Davis left the negotiating team, because he knew that May was an incompetent useless bag lady who is really a remainer. There is nothing whatsoever to say that with someone more competent in charge who understands and wants Brexit couldn't have negotiated by now ( He made those comments under Cameron). Cherry picking what Davis may or may not have implied on this single issue when no deal was always an option, and when there is also the vast amount of rubbish spouted by remainers; and to imply therefore that voters couldn't sift through all the variety of scenarios that might take place on hundreds of possible issues, including whatever you might happen to think is the worst option with a no deal, (if that is your doomsday position); is a liberal elitist attitude to even ask for such a second vote.
@michaelkalus7802
@michaelkalus7802 6 жыл бұрын
"David Davis left the negotiating team, because he knew that May was an incompetent useless bag lady who is really a remainer. " That's rich. He was in charge of the negotiations, so if they weren't going anywhere then it is really on his head.
@honeyglazedgammon2318
@honeyglazedgammon2318 6 жыл бұрын
Not if the useless bag is undermining the position, claiming that we are leaving when she is really keeping us tied in and is forcing him to accept unacceptable positions; what don't you understand about this? Either Davis calls her out, and risks bringing down the government, unleashes the forces of darkness, or walks away now and lets May reveal the final deal, and let her fall on her own sword.
@joaomiguelferreiradossanto581
@joaomiguelferreiradossanto581 6 жыл бұрын
UK, wether gaining more than contributing or not, has always tried to cherry pick what they subscribed to or not. And they voted to exit... Public opinion showed they were unhappy. So, exit... Put back border controls, taxes and tariffs on both sides, visas for personnel that have been living either place for more than x amount of years as students, workers, spouses, etc... On the EU side I think it's not that hard. Britain as always been so close to USA that the easiest would be to treat them regarding immigration and trade as we treat the USA...
@alanmcm
@alanmcm 6 жыл бұрын
If Brexit is the Golden Goose it was sold as everything will be cool and NI will stay in the union. If on the other hand Brexit is a car crash then the Nationalist majority will vote to leave.
@jontmusiteur55
@jontmusiteur55 6 жыл бұрын
It will be a golden goose though... if you have millions parked offshore.
@KarlStephanNeufeldt
@KarlStephanNeufeldt 6 жыл бұрын
Well done. What I think is not sufficiently described is the dependence of the future better or new deal on the so-called technical solution, aka the magic invisible border. The UK not willing to accept the back-stop until a solution is found suggests that they themselves, or at least the DUP do not or are not willing to trust in this solution. This is what makes me most pessimistic a deal can be reached.
@pupsiuspupuliukas2394
@pupsiuspupuliukas2394 6 жыл бұрын
Independence comes with a price...and the average person will pay that price...not the government..
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