The State Of The Entry Level Software Job Market In 2024

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00:00 - Intro
00:58 - What Are People Saying Online About the Job Market?
05:58 - State of the Job Market: End of 2023
09:22 - 2024 Job Market Predictions (with data)

[@GunnarMalone-mx3xz]

I feel like I was very fortunate to break in when I did. I entered the industry back in 2007, long time ago. Back then I had dozens of SWE interviews with only one internship of experience. Everything you needed for the job was done in college, nowadays they want you to have 5 years experience, projects you started independently, a compendium. It really sucks for you new guys, the market is really over-saturated at the moment, hopefully some of you can break in soon, it's a great career.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

I think they're adding their "Nice to haves" as mandatory. Joshua Fluke did a deep dive about it.

[@kompila]

I owe this bubble burst to SWE content creators, so much about SWE in the last few years, leading to an over-saturation

[@sadephillips9645]

Hello, could you please provide me with additional evidence that the job market is oversaturated? I am confused because there is conflicting information out there. Some sources claim that there is a shortage of jobs, while others argue that the market is oversaturated. I believe it's better to focus on pursuing a career that you are interested in and good at, rather than simply relying on what others say or what we read in articles.

[@kompila]

@@sadephillips9645 There is no cause to fear about the current state of the job market. Do your honest part, be open to new ideas, concepts and other humans, take on hard problems, smile to your cats and neighbours, enter software with the entrepreneurial mindset, go hard and never back down. Thank me latter! Enjoy your day Hero!

[@Nick-tm2sw]

I think part of this was caused by the constant news about the shortage of qualified candidates during the hiring bubble. Anytime that happens in such a cyclical job market like SWE you are going to end up with a lot of the people that just recently jumped on the bandwagon getting left behind when the bubble bursts. That is what we are seeing here. Its not as much of a risk for the people that have a decent amount of experience but all of the bootcamp grads are getting a rude awakening.

[@Princess-Jellyfish]

Thank you KC, I was laid off in January 2023 with around 5 years experience and I did not get an internal job after going up for it. It took me 3 months to find a job, I thought there was something wrong with me but I was job searching in one of the worst job markets in a while and was internalizing it. Thank you for laying out the data. I have been scared of being homeless because of limited family. I found my dream job though so wishing everyone a easier time and their dream job.

[@CreatedByKC]

Congrats for finding your dream job!!

[@Tschoii90]

I'm quitting tech for a normal job. This is a fucking circus. I wish you all the best my friends.

[@omnigodx11]

Seeing the data really helps keep things on balance and not panic

[@trentirvin2008]

There’s a huge problem with people taking the current circumstances and conflating it with the idea the AI just replaced junior developers

[@turkyturky6274]

I broke into swe in 2019. It was much easier to get a job without experience back then than getting a job with 5 years experience now. Companies are just not hiring it definitely a contractionary period. Its not impossible but it will take a quite a bit of effort.

[@alb12345672]

IN 2001 was much worse than now. Was like a "great dying" event. People left the field. Rare now to see people who were in tech from back then, its not that crazy long ago either.

[@kompila]

I broke into software with just a discord text :-)

[@iorekby]

Or they are wrong but they are expecting a CS degree and lots of good experience that aligns 99% with their job description

[@Brenda-ny1gw]

I broke into SWE in 2019. It was an uphill battle. It took me 4 months of full time searching to find a programming job

[@user-qy6xr2ju4i]

Your video has given me a lot of hope. I appreciate the sources, data, and multiple perspectives that you've provided. You're doing great work with your channel. Thank you!

[@natlkjh8677]

Ive been in IT for 12 years, and 7 years as a Sr engineer in Database and software. Ive worked for some of the largest companies in the media space. I got laid off last April and the only job offer ive had is a maintenance contact at 12 dollars an hour and only a few hours of work a month. Ive submitted thousands of applications. I hope things do improve but i just don't see it.

[@user-fc8hd6kh2f]

i don't see it either

[@plaidchuck]

@@user-fc8hd6kh2ftime to move

[@sambrandon8178]

i come from a bootcamp background and have been trying to break in for some time now, done everything under the sun you can think of and its not come. Also watched a gall in networking talk about how most "software jobs" you see are not real and only listing to show "growth" to the share holders. So its very possible this trend we are seeing is just companies inflating growth.

[@KM-zd6dq]

That sucks man, but you will make it

[@jakeleone8944]

@@sambrandon8178 I also suspect it is recruiters posting the same job (though in a slightly different way). Many recruiters were also laid off, some probably started their own freelance recruiting business, hence a "Dead Cat Bounce" increase in job ads.

[@prasad_create2687]

Boy thank u for this sharing this market trend. I have 3 yre of project management experience and I have been struggling a lot. This video gave me a renewed optimism

[@AutoDisheep]

I am glad I subbed to you KC. This shines a light on the market so well.

[@dretheblack]

Dude I have to keep it real that one minute of information in the beginning was so well structured, Isa a great editing technique.

[@julianlawrencegilsoares8599]

I'm graduating with a degree in software engineering this semester, I really apreciate the positivity in this video it's really overwhelming to hear all the negativity around the market right now but this video was a breath of fresh air.

[@steven_chung]

Thank you for keeping us optimistic.

[@tahsin95]

Well this video aged like milk..

[@Baarinh]

I think this is the best material commenting on 2024 job market in IT that I saw, thank you

[@Mog780]

This was a really interesting video, Im a UK based full stack dev (with just under 2 years experience) and I was let go from my last dev job at the end of October this year, sitting on around 380 applications now. I've had two 2nd stage interview and 4 1st stage interviews, but have yet to get anymore in the last 2 weeks (as to be expected with the Xmas break). I feel like europe mimics the US in terms of job market, so hopefully it will bounce back. I graduated in december of 2022 and had my first job 6 months before that, but it was with a startup and it bled money, as a result i was let go, my second position was filled due to a need of a Dev asap, and i got hired within a month of leaving my last job, but now this have gotten MUCH slower.

[@ahsanmohammed1]

What did you study undergrad, masters? What subject areas? Which universities? Thanks.

[@hingsing1]

Really informational video, hoping to see 2024 look better for us incoming new grads!!

[@daxil44]

I completed my Master's degree in December 2023 and have applied for 218 jobs so far. Unfortunately, I have not received a single interview yet. I have a Bachelor's and Master's degree in Computer Science, but I am starting to question whether I made the right choice by choosing this field after high school.

[@Sniper-ng5nd]

Don’t give up dude! You’ve made it so far already. Do you have side projects?

[@agentpenguin3966]

Thank you so much for this video. I really needed to see a ray of hope after the past two dark years. I have two years of experience now and my current job is paying way less. Unable to switch too because the competition is little high and tbh my skills are not enough. Gotta work hard. Thank you again, this put a smile on my face.

[@FassinTaak]

I appreciate the specific length of this video.

[@hafiz7611]

This video made me so much more optimistic about the future. Thank you KC!

[@kompila]

Hey KC, it is good to see you consistent with these vids. Good way!

[@CreatedByKC]

Thank you!!

[@user-vf1pd8gj9g]

Are you trusting a company that sells interview prep materials to tell you the market is recovering?

[@taaaaaaay]

5:15 Thank you very much for showing data about general employment statistics while making a sweeping conclusion about tech employment statistics 😊

[@m-ok-6379]

2000 and 2008 recessions was across the board where in this downturn mostly white collar tech jobs are feeling the pain. When things are good companies have every reason to hire you and if things are bad they have every reason to not hire you.

[@MrStuartp]

Companies always need to hire heavily in Jan/Feb because they are securing contracts with partners and so forth before Christmas in the previous year. The project start dates are always early in the next year, its cyclical and always happens like this. How much, how frequent, and why, harder to answer.

[@thoopra]

Very valuable breakdown! Thanks for the post ~ quite nevrous myself!

[@yellowclover]

I have trust issues with Meta and all the big companies after the massive layoffs. There will not be any true job security with them.

[@harryshuman9637]

There's never any job security with any company.

[@hroman_codes]

Great video wishing the best for 2024!

[@CreatedByKC]

Thank you! You too!

[@izamalcadosa2951]

Great videos, KC!!

[@itsMohak]

Very nice analysis

[@deewademai]

I appreciate that you have data to supports your contents not like other youtubers that try to make me panic.

[@joshh4234]

Glad to hear this, and I hope your prediction is right! I'm a September 2023 CS graduate :(!

[@deadlock7946]

Excellent research KC

[@deefeeeeefeeeeeeeeee]

Again really nice video, I like video like this so much. To give a bit of feedback, in mine they gave ramped up a lot the recruitment for 2024. In one department of software dev, it's almost +100% new positions announced via an internal email past week. It corresponds to 30 engineers, I am in a niche software tech, it's a lot for us, we aren't even sure we could fill those position by 2024 because they are so few graduates with this specific knowledge.

[@ivoriankoua3916]

what is your niche if I may ask ?

[@livelifetoday373]

Thanks for sharing , I only saw the perfect face of the market 🙏

[@zobudenyyy]

To compare and make predictions, you also need data from your region. The US demographic pyramid is very stable, however, the same doesn't need to work for the state of Texas or the state of Montana. In many countries and regions, the population gets older. It means the whole industries have been dramatically changing.

[@victorledezma6652]

Thank you for giving us an honest take bro. I’m a 3rd year cs student and I’ve seriously considered switching majors the last few weeks because of all the doom and gloom but this give me hope. Some of got into this because we genuinely thought it was an interesting field and although the pay is good I think as long as we make livable wages 80k+ that’s enough to make me happy personally. Thanks for sharing bro

[@Grays1k]

man, i dont gotta say much, i just wanna say thank you for this video

[@adityacheema7437]

I graduated 9 months ago and ive constantly been upskilling only to be able to land 2 interviews, where they wanted more experience for an entry level role. It just feels like its me vs the recruiters and ik so many people would've gone through it, but it makes me wanna leave tech even before I have started

[@misakimisaki7348]

I interned at Intuit this summer. Before I took the offer, the hr guy told me the return rate is about 90. But guess what, no swe got the return offer by now.😅

[@randomavghuman]

honestly I feel like i had to learn an insane amount of things, DSA, OS, DBMS, Networking, and then to the skills which includes full stack, data science and ML properly which took me 6 months and in few of my interviews companies asked me "we are looking for someone who can work on this x and y skills" which i didn't learn , earlier companies used to train , now they need ready to work. that is why a lot of students find it really hard to get in industry.

[@erinmeredith6505]

I am in the third group, but have to agree with the first. Laid off five months ago after 4.5 years with the company and haven’t even gotten a single interview.

[@SpencerP96]

So much hope after Microsoft, Google, and Amazon just dumped 10k engineers

[@A_Canadian_In_Poland]

The 2021-2022 hiring spree seems to be a symptom of companies with a next quarter vision and not a long term vision, and I believe this the economic aftershocks of the money printing in 2020 panning out.

[@Swup]

subbed because im learning

[@frstchan]

I have 10 years experience, but looking at the job-ads out there, I dont feel qualified to apply to a single one.

[@starslayer1493]

I really hope I can find an entry level position or internship soon, I had to settle for a soul crushing call center job last year to pay for school and I'd like to find something else asap.

[@AZ-gs6hj]

It's getting better!

[@a.r.375]

Is it?😮

[@sbarter]

​@@a.r.375negative. The worst is yet to come.

[@sloshedtrain]

I think there will be a slight uptick on open jobs. So a better year than 2023. Of course, if the economy doesn't take a shit next year.

[@rinriukato]

What hurts a lot for me was that I did manage to get hired as an associate SWE at a company in 2022, but because of security clearances, I was put on wait for my actual starting date. Weeks became months, months soon became a year, and as it turns out! Some of the processes for the clearances were on hold because that entire time, I wasn't even matched for a program yet! It was such a painful realization that I wasn't at all safe from terrible market, I was just another victim of it. So I'm back on that grind again. I really do love being a developer and just making neat things. I'll make it through this, we'll all do it. Stay strong!

[@calvin_713]

Thank you!

[@deepakkm472]

This video hardly addresses entry level jobs. Even if entry level jobs open up, people who graduated in dec 22 or may 23 will most likely be questioned about the gap in between. They probably won’t even be eligible to apply, just like we aren’t eligible to apply to internships. And in your other video, the only explanation to juniors was, “juniors take time to gain expertise, so it’s better to hire 1 senior instead of training 4 juniors”. But what are juniors supposed to do with that answer? It’s like saying, entry level devs cannot get a job if they don’t already have a job.

[@CptnCobblestone]

You will have to build experience on your own with or without a dev role. I’ve sat in a few cybersecurity interviews and I’ll say the ones that were able to work on home projects like segmenting their home network, interning for a small company or helping put security in place for a mom and pop shop have went a lot further than those same entry level devs without that experience. If no one gives you the opportunity, you have to go out yourself to get it. Constantly bring value to the table with or without a company’s approval. That’s how you will stand out

[@justintruong3367]

I wouldn't say that people who graduated in Dec 22 or May 23 wouldn't be eligible to apply. I was able to get a number of interviews November and December and made it to the final round for 2 different companies, one that required 2 years of experience and one that was entry level. The majority of the companies I've gotten to interview with recently weren't surprised that I had a gap and mostly knew about how difficult the current job market was and were understanding. I agree with what @Howtosurviveamerica commented about needing to have a good project or two to showcase that you haven't just been sitting there since graduating and not only relying on your degree. Cause there's a lot of people that fall into that category and it doesn't make sense to consider those sort of people versus people that went out and learned a tech stack on their own regardless and have been consistently self-learning since graduating from a business perspective. If a person graduated a year ago but doesn't have any projects to speak of, then it's honestly a red flag. College just teaches you the basics and gives you a foundation, if you can't create something at least worth looking at since graduating 6 months to 1 year ago how is a senior dev supposed to trust that you can handle working with them?

[@ExecutionMods]

​@@CptnCobblestone True, you just can't do nothing and then expect an opportunity.

[@edboss36]

Getting a qualification doesn’t guarantee you JACK. Life is moving so you have to keep up by building a brand for yourself

[@angyeet5392]

@@justintruong3367man i have 4 personal projects on my resume that i build from the ground up and still cant get any interviews but tbats bc theres no one hiring entry level so im forced to apply to the fake entry level roles asking for 3 years of experience

[@doseofdevy]

Love your videos man!

[@CreatedByKC]

Thank you!! And just checked out your stuff, really awesome content!!

[@doseofdevy]

@@CreatedByKC thanks man!

[@PrinceDavid]

Meta reached out to me themselves this summer and it lit the fire under my butt to find a new job. I ended up finding a job with a large financial company which I am very happy with now.

[@agentpenguin3966]

Happy for you bro, this does give some hope!

[@enunisfly]

Good video

[@asepbahn3113]

thanks for your information, i will subsribe

[@ryanwilliams989]

The fact that there is already an excessive amount of demand awaiting its absorption, despite how everyone is frightened and calling the crash, is another reason why it is less likely to occur that way. 2008 saw no one, at least not the broad public, making this forecast, as I'll explain below. The ownership rate was noted to have peaked in 2004 in the other comment. Having previously peaked in the second quarter of 2020, we are currently at the median level. Between 2008 and 2012, it dropped by 3%, and by the second quarter of 2020, it had dropped from 68 to 65.

[@BiancaSherly-qt6sb]

Investing in both real estate and stocks can be prudent choices, particularly when backed by a robust trading strategy that can navigate you through prosperous periods.You're not doing anything wrong; the problem is that you don't have the knowledge needed to succeed in a challenging market. Only highly qualified professionals who had to experience the 2008 financial crisis could hope to earn a high salary in these challenging conditions.

[@maryHenokNft]

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[@maggysterling33254]

@@maryHenokNft Do you mind sharing info on the adviser who assisted you?

[@maryHenokNft]

Definitely! All of this happened in less than a year after *gertrude margaret quinto* told me what to do. I started with less than $100,000, and now I'm about 17,000 short of having a quarter million dollars.

[@jakeleone8944]

This is definitely a potential interest rate recession. It is definitely a depression for tech workers. I would posit another path, if interest rates remain high. Growth will be limited. The federal government is also borrowing hard, and that is also hurting interest rates. If the Federal Government wasn't spending, we would be in recession right now. So the other path, assuming Biden wins (which is likely). Would be slow growth (except in government), possible recession. Either way, it is a malaise for workers trying to get out of low paying jobs. Housing affordability is at all time lows. So either homes prices fall or interest rates fall. Either way, it could lead to a banking crash if it happens too quickly. If Trump wins, yes he will turn on the oil spigot. He will cut federal spending (or at least talk about it, if he can't). That path would be better for industries that can only grow on cheap capital. For example: New housing, R&D efforts (tech). Biden could take steps, in line with his administration. One would be to offer discounts for companies which enact and expand work from home. This would drop fuel prices. It would not take much, but 2% inflation rate, would force the fed to cut the discount rate.

[@rake483]

I'm from Europe and I completed a coding bootcamp in autumn of 2023. Only the participants who worked in tech before managed to find a job as programmer. Experience is everything right now it seems. There are many job postings for senior positions in my area, but very few for juniors. It is very difficult for new programmers who have no experience or connections. Im thinking about lying on my resume simply to get a foot in the door ...

[@snuglife3697]

Kind of meh to ask engineers what the job market will be. Ask the people deciding or more aware of corporate investment. For the immediate future, ask the hiring guys. Software engineers didn't know the market was getting bad for like 8 months after it triggered. Practically the last people to know what's going on!

[@JegErN0rsk]

As a self taught junior closing in on 6 months of work: I am eternally grateful for the senior that gave me a chance. Hopefully the market will turn around soon. Dont give up. You dont realize how close you are!

[@angyeet5392]

by the time the market gets better literally no one will want 2023 grads bc 2024/2025 grads will snatch up all the entry level jobs

[@Pulkit__7]

@@angyeet5392 basically it means, we need to work harder than 2024/2025 grads. Challenge accepted!!

[@kungfoochicken08]

@@angyeet5392You can always join the Army.

[@bigazTV]

I graduated in May 2023 and I’m still looking for a job. It’s so bad now to a point that I get happy for even receiving a hackerrank lol. There was a time I wasn’t getting any. I’m currently working on AWS certs. Sound solutions architect now. I’m really tired man. Really really tired of working 8hrs for no jobs. Since last year I’ve managed to reach final rounds at multiple companies but ultimately they had better candidates that me. Idk what else to do man. I definitely have started getting emails from recruiters lately and a few more hackarranks. My only issue is I can’t find jobs to apply to. I apply every night and filter 24/hrs(latest postings). So far I’m in the pipeline for JP Morgan , CVS

[@bosongod2830]

For sde role?

[@applesmith4012]

Same boat as you. Fuck this dog shit scam industry dawg

[@user-nj8lu8ld9e]

yeah, but back in 2008, did companies ask leetcode hards in online assessments? Did you have to come up with a perfect solution that passes all hidden test cases? I don't think so. You had maybe a white boarding style interview where, if you just articulated your thought process, the interviewer gave you credit.

[@XiaoMika]

I m really tired I want a job already..

[@jeeperscreepers9110]

Unemployment statistics do not accurately represent how difficult it is to break in as a new grad. Most new grads are not going on unemployment because they didn’t have a job before. They were students. It is also a lagging indicator, not showing the current stats. Not saying it’s worthless to look at, but new grads specifically are largely underrepresented in that stat

[@sameerroshan9542]

so how does a new grad get hired now?

[@angyeet5392]

@@sameerroshan9542they dont

[@kungfoochicken08]

@@sameerroshan9542Network, have a good portfolio, hopefully have an internship or two during university, and be willing to submit 400+ applications.

[@TrentonF505]

I’ve been trying to break into the industry as a recent graduate for a year now. Hopefully the layoffs found their jobs so it’s less competitive.

[@arthfreestyle9974]

A year?

[@TrentonF505]

@@arthfreestyle9974 yep I graduated December 2022. I’ve gotten 4 interviews at smaller companies since then but no offers

[@DavidTheWiseOne]

@@TrentonF505 Where you live ? And what university you graduated from ? And do you have any professional certificates?

[@TrentonF505]

@@DavidTheWiseOne Northern California, CSUMB, no certificates

[@DavidTheWiseOne]

@@TrentonF505 It’s got more competitive with AI And the economy problems Sorry about that But my advice to you is take professional certificates based on exam and do projects to prove yourself

[@DarkRaviForDeath]

Do you think these trends relate to Canada as well? OR are they just US

[@vci_ds]

I think it would be more realistic to watch out for 2024. This year can really make or break the tech job market. If bets on GenAI will become positive, it can really dent the overall market. Also, startups like 8090 can really impact the enterprise software market if that gamble on GenAI will start to see some success. And yes, I can see some cold emails from recruiters every week, better than 2022.

[@vivekkhatri182]

Can you make a researched video for jobs for freshers looking for jobs in software engineering

[@kashkajay]

only thing i got from this is everyone thinks their time was the worst. in 10 years, ppl now will say it was worse.

[@Jurmyhyle12]

This video is three days old. Yesterday Google announced another major layoff coming.

[@user-ic9vz8sp1x]

it's over

[@Full-Stack-Fernando]

I’m trying to break into tech and at the beginning of 2024 and on wellfound I got a response and I got 2 interviews at the end of last year after a lot of months of not getting nothing

[@Shmack_]

I noticed a lot more cold emails as well

[@extrafoxjj]

Unemployment in general was high in 2008, but in tech, it was much worse in 2001. Things are going to snap back, but the wild card is how AI is going to affect software engineering jobs.

[@tye3630]

I still felt like it’s worse. Especially after January tons of big company start do massive layout again. And in my career fair most of people looking for jobs are CS majors and only 2 out of hundreds of companies recruiting software related jobs, and that’s Engineering Career Fair BTW.. it’s worse than last fall and 2023 spring…

[@marlonstevenson4923]

It almost sounded like KC said he's been a software engineering for "60 years"

[@zephedits7088]

Hey Dude Great videos, wanted to know if you needed a video editor/thumbnail designer for the channel?

[@TrevorR_333]

All the hopium I need for the morning, now I'm off the gym.

[@kakishisfriend1126]

It isnalso hard to get a job in retail currently. A lot of "well get bsck to you" and rejections

[@adityarhmn]

I still doing my job as a mobile developer but very worried about the continuation of this industry

[@jakeleone8944]

KC, do they weed out recruiters from the number of job ads? A lot of recruiters were also laid off. The small rise you are seeing could be a "Dead Cat Bounce". And if they are not weeding out recruiters. Any small rise you are seeing could be because recruiters are posting the same job. Further, even if they do, the tools they use might (very likely) NOT detect variation in the posting of the same job, or in cases where recruiting agencies mistakenly say "We are hiring urgently..." Giving the impression it is a direct hire.

[@ngusumakofu1]

Fingers crossed I break in this year.

[@Flakes1403]

i dont get it… aren’t you reading the Linkedin post at 11:19 ? It says Senior engineers, not entry level. This “optimism” is just targeted to seniors

[@audiojake8]

The bubble is for programmers or software development - Learn hardware or become a Systems Admin - System Engineer - Infrastructure jobs are all we hire - We don't need programmers we need people who understand hardware and permissions or networks - SQL database - Linux. I work for a billion dollar corporation we have two programmers.......I think we have about Fifty infrastructure guys and hiring more.

[@workbrand6245]

Can tou drop the name of the company ? Interesting in system programming. Thanks

[@kungfoochicken08]

The reason there aren’t more hardware people is because the work sucks and it pays less. If there was really a demand for hardware guys, we’d see companies willing to pay more.

[@slava_xd]

Its not as nearly as interesting though, for me at least

[@VoltNinjas]

Thanks for the info, I’ve been an advanced Level 18 Technical Coding Director and just got laid off. Now I have to work at McDonald’s.

[@zhihangzhou7141]

it's more like tech company got layoff but at the mean like restaurant and other place are hiring.

[@o_huno]

I'm not sure how the unemployment data from 2000/08 compares to this current era. It shows how many _in the field_ are unemployed. Given the general state of the economy, senior developers are understandably very keen on keeping their job, especially those who have worked in the industry through the three crisis of 2020, 2008 and 2000. The spike in 2020 is indicative of the massive wave of layoffs by companies in order to cut cost, but obviously after the economy started recovering we saw an increase in job openings in 2022, to account for that lost labor. But how many of those openings were entry-level? I don't think that many. I believe those who say it's not that bad as before are looking at the past through their own experiences of being an entry-level developer trying to get in the field and competing against senior developers who are also unemployed. Nowadays though, not only do entry-level developers are competing with seniors, but also the startup boom is long over, tech giants and their apps hold a monopoly, and AI is on the rise. Remember the famous "learn to code" advice journalists would say? It's practically pointless now - and to think we all thought it was going to be truck drivers and blue-collar workers who would be jobless...

[@AcctistaZ]

The market is turning around. Its because interest rates go down

[@ramilres7264]

Is this situation only in the USA or all around the world?

[@jfkst1]

Don't worry. When AI ramps up, it will make all the combined recessions look great.

[@harryshuman9637]

I have 5 years of experience and it's still a nightmare to get in.

[@leonite934]

Do you think 2024 will be good for college students looking for co-op?

[@sancho7198]

I have a google interview in a few days, this doesn't make me hopeful lol

[@Gaer56]

I see more support/admin roles, and more of scam jobs (hidden bootcamps). Less offers for me than at the start of 2023

[@KevinSmith-gu7fb]

I HATE those bootcamp "job" postings. My school has those on their handshake career site sometimes, and they shouldn't even be there. I also don't care much for handshake. It has much less user-friendly functionality than the previous vendor career site the school used. Why does the tech always seem to get worse instead of better for things like that?

[@Sulhouse]

As a self taught hopeful to break into to the industry this is great news.

[@YuvamKumar]

I need advice. I’m transferring to a top university in Canada and I’m working on my skills but due to personal problems I might only have one shot at internships a semester or two before graduating. I’m really unsure what to do if I miss the one shot and graduate without any internships under my belt. Any tip’s would be deeply helpful!

[@zedibs]

Im on the same boat. But it will drain my money to do this move, seeing the current state of companies im just too scared. If US citizens have it hard finding a job in the US, how can a foreigner (no experience) compete. But it will be better than doing nothing i guess.

[@dioscuri7]

I want to break into the industry does anyone know if software engineer bootcamps are good to start now? I just want to be a front end software engineer.

[@blackhole4813]

Does indie deving, open source, and hackathons count as experience because I can't get no entry. I been studying CS for 4 years and can't finish due to catastrophic reasons. I didn't got internship long story. I have some few certs intro courses in cybersecurity and networking. I have developed mobile apps, 3D games, IoT, some basic websites, joined multiple hackathons including one from NASA, and about AI/ML, been talking to people in the field how work is. Im almost 23 in 3 months and still no job, no home, not many friends irl, degrading mental health. Rn I need some few rest to sort out some documents and recover from burn out. Life unfair bruh. Maybe even developed anger issues.

[@blackhole4813]

I am doing solotrepreneurship route just to get by.

[@Spookyl._.l]

@@blackhole4813hey man, everything is gonna be alright. Your time is coming, you got this

[@denniszenanywhere]

I don’t care if salaries are only$50k a year in other countries outside the states as long as I get a job. Where are the jobs outside of the states?

[@sancho7198]

a lot of tech is in Ireland, I recommend looking there

[@denniszenanywhere]

@@sancho7198 Thanks. Really appreciate it. Will look into it.

[@Atakan.Yalcin]

I searched an apprenticeship in Germany for SWE after finishing highschool were i had the basics of Java and SQlite. The sad thing is that my IT teacher watched over my Application and said everything is perfecet. From 70 application i got just 2 interviews. The sad thing is, all this happened even though I have a scholarship for students without academic backgrounds in the family. In addition, the career counselor at the job center said that others were accepted even though my application was the best lol. In one of the interviews, they told me that I should apply for apprenticeship again when I had enough work experience. How am I supposed to have enough work experience after high school to apply for an apprenticeship as an SWE where I get 600 euros a month during the apprenticeship huh?

[@kungfoochicken08]

2 interviews from 70 applications is actually a pretty good ratio. I’d keep pumping out applications. It’s a less than ideal situation, but your first work experience is the hardest. Every job search after this will be easier.

[@sparfRF]

I believe there are many tech jobs for non tech companies.