The Stealth Submarine Nobody Thought Was Possible

[@brucelytle1144]

@8:35 is a picture of the USS Johnston (DD-821) tracking the ship in the previous scene, Russian Helicopter Carrier "Moskova" (masquerading as her sister wreck, "Kiev", in 1971. I know, I was on the Johnston at the time. Later in life, I met a guy who was on a Russian Cruiser that was escorting the Moskova. When we first met, he told me that the first time he saw an American, up close, was when his ship almost rammed an American Destroyer! He was in the chow line, looking over at a bunch of American sailors, standing in a chow line, looking back at them the same way. I was one of them, looking at them, looking at us. The ships got to about a meter apart. That is why the Johnston has fenders over the sides in open seas. It was bumpum-cars for awhile😂!

[@cameronklein7980]

This an amazing story haha!

[@philipbrown2514]

Did U throw them a coke I would av

[@larrybrantley8835]

Cold War fun and games with the Soviets. It is a wonder that it never got seriously out of hand. Both sides knew the potential results.

[@armcchargues8623]

In the early 90's, Akulas were quiet, but not that quiet. Alfas were fast and could go deep, but were very noisy. We tracked one of each for at least 3 days on two different occasions while on a deployment. We tracked the Alfa until we suspected it got orders to go somewhere else and it disappeared very quickly.

[@tengu190]

Sierra II were better than Akula.

[@matta5498]

My surface target, the USS Texas CGN 39 was ordered to turn off our sonar for an hour. Rumor was that we were tracking an Ohio class boomer and had to let it go.

[@larrybrantley8835]

@@matta5498 WESTPAC 88. I was there Sep 1987 - Jan 1990 and it happened in the Sea of Japan I believe. The CHENG, LCDR Block was on watch as CIC Watch Officer. I was on watch in DC Central.

[@matta5498]

@@larrybrantley8835 Remember Typhoon Skip?

[@SlawcioD]

Alfa class sub was the most badass sub build ever. Highly automated, insanely fast, agile, deep diving piece of engineering madman dream and nightmare in one ;).

[@miketully9905]

THANK YOU TOSHIBA! (For those not ancient enough to remember- it was more than spies that helped the Soviets quiet their subs. It was also raw greed. Due to cavitation, one of the noisiest parts of any sub are it's propellers. Toshiba got caught illegally transshipping highly specialized 6 axis C.N.C. milling machines to Russia which gave them the ability to manufacture the propellers needed to build these super quiet subs. Without those milling machines the Soviet Union wouldn't have been able to build such deadly quiet subs). Wadda ya know! They actually covered this. I didn't think they would. Kudos Dark Seas!

[@VTSteve]

Buy out Toshiba, fire all the executives

[@ClaudeMagicbox]

"Got caught"... under which reasoning the US can sell anything it wants and Japan can't? In fact they sold those machines, period. Nobody care if some American thinks "we caught them doing it".

[@ClaudeMagicbox]

@@VTSteve 😅 With what, FriedBanker's ponzi fake money or the FED's mounds of toilet paper? Many things are about to change for good.

[@Snapper314]

Walker did a HUGE amount of damage to America's Military. His punishment was very much deserved.

[@matta5498]

Wasn't it Mitsubishi? If not, I've been boycotting the wrong company.

[@shumann1605]

Good memories. Can neither confirm or deny the accuracy of this video. Lol Great video, thank you for sharing.

[@deanmyrick7848]

I was on the USS BOWEN in 1985 on a med cruise. I was standing the forward lookout watch at about 3am. That is the exact silhouette of the sub I saw and reported. They immediately had me come to the bridge and identify that silhouette in the book of hundreds of maritime silhouettes. They gave me a group of them to look at and I immediately picked this one. They asked me if I was ABSOLUTELY SURE! I said yes, 100% sir. He said that I better be right because they were going to be waking up people at the pentagon. I never knew until watching this video today exactly what it was I had seen and why they reacted like they did. Wow!

[@JohnDoe-on6ru]

Wow, you spotted the Loch Ness Monster!

[@HarryWHill-GA]

I remember the brouhaha over Toshiba selling the Soviets the 9-axis milling machine they needed to make quieter propellers. Toshiba came within a gnat's whisker of having ALL of their products banned from the US and unsold stock already here seized. The incident threatened US-Japan diplomatic relations.

[@mmdirtyworkz]

Yeah US is good at twisting hands of its vassals.

[@TitusAzzurro]

I was actually surprised to hear about Toshiba, so your comment is clearing all my doubts. And Japan / Russian have to this day territorial disputes !!! Someone got seppuku'ed in this story.

[@thundercactus]

And then Mitutoyo has been caught selling precision 3D measuring equipment to Iran, Libya, and others *SEVERAL* times -_-

[@ifv2089]

Almost sanctioned for working with Russia Imagine

[@spvillano]

No, they didn't. The design was Toshiba's, the product was Toshiba's and Toshiba offered to sell the design to the US Navy, got screwed on R&D costs and sold their own property. Ronnie Raygun claimed it was all US owned, which was a bald faced lie that blew up in his face internationally. Because it threatened US - Japan and US - Germany relations, due to the lies and threats of punishing capitalism. Interestingly, you didn't even need a security clearance to learn the facts, one needed only look at what was actually said to see through his lies. He gave the US a big black eye in that debacle and precisely zero sanctions occurred due to the entire mess. Later, there was the 6-axis milling debacle, which rightfully was sanctioned. But, that mess wasn't part of the original lying claims.

[@larrybrantley8835]

When I served in a 688 boat we encountered Akulas, they were loud as hell. They got new props from the Japanese and it improved.

[@richdurbin6146]

@@DIRTYdeeds613 I heard it was a 7 axis mill, and used information provided by the Walkers to enable the making of silent screws. I was an STG in the early 90s hearing this.

[@larrybrantley8835]

@@richdurbin6146 The Walkers were one of the most dangerous instances of Soviet spy craft.

[@allanbrogdon3078]

The Japanese also traveled to the Soviet union to set up the 3-story milling machine.

[@mandoreforger6999]

@@DIRTYdeeds613 the Toshiba industrial equipment brand never really recovered in the West after that scandal. They were sanctioned for several years as punishment, which meant they could only sell parts. Many of their customers in North America and Europe moved on. Toshiba Consumer Products was essentially a separate company, but that brand is dead, for other reasons.

[@spvillano]

@@SuzieMcGee Ronnie Raygun was POTUS. Toshiba got screwed into a contract that lost massive amounts of R&D money. They offered to sell the technology to the US Navy, who refused to pay or order more screws to cover the expense, so Toshiba sold their product, like every good capitalist does. Ronnie then went fascist and claimed we owned that which we did not own. Created quite the problem in US-Japan and US-Germany relations.

[@andrewgates8158]

It's always the height of the cold war.

[@Apodeipnon]

Lol true

[@Xsiondu]

Seriously I've watched so many documentaries and every one of them says somewhere in the script "It was the height of the cold war" or "US and Soviet relations were at a breaking point" I'm beginning to think that nobody knows what the height of the cold war was.

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Sound as dramatic as possible and cover any holes in your presentation with buzzwords. That's what an average documentary is like these days.

[@marklaplante8675]

One thing to remember about this class of submarines is that the technological advances made them extremely expensive to manufacture and maintain. The Soviet Navy has always relied on numbers over quality. You didn't need to be the "best" to win, you simply had to have enough so that your losses did not impact your success. This is not a new concept for the Soviets. Look at their tank battalions in WWII. Numbers were all that mattered. Who cared if Tiger could take out 15 Soviet tanks before being destroyed when you had 150 Soviet tanks vs the 1 Tiger. This same philosophy was applied to their blue-water Navy and submarine force. They had a 4 to 1 advantage in numbers of submarines when I served (1971-1991) and that is what made them dangerous.

[@mikesmith-po8nd]

Mark, at the risk of greatly oversimplifying it, that's also the case with the Chinese. Four billion people equals a lot of cannon fodder.

[@eriknewman5288]

We employed a similar strategy for tank warfare in WW2. 4 Sherman's to take out 1 Tiger. Every tiger last was one Germany couldn't replace. Similar to current US military assets. Stealth planes, Ford class Carriers etc are so expensive and take far too long to manufacture once lost, making a war of attrition a losing proposition for the US.

[@akula9713]

Project 971, a beautiful boat. Toshiba in Japan sold 5 axis milling machines, so the Soviets could make their own propellers.

[@devinryman7846]

Toshiba sold the 9axis machines with a 3 axis cnc computer to disguise it for export. The Norwegians sold the 9axis computer separately.

[@recoil53]

@@devinryman7846 I remember that. The Norwegian part really stuck out to me at the time.

[@todd3285]

And they're are allies right !!

[@Sr89hot]

Yeah I remember reading about Toshiba making the sale. I was ticked off because I had just bought a Toshiba VCR.

[@maytagmark2171]

@@todd3285 Money talks to these creeps

[@GeneralBlorp]

Akulas quietly river dancing their way through to the North Atlantic … “It would be their love of song that would ultimately reveal their position to their enemy. 😅”

[@skyden24195]

"... I thought I heard...." "Heard what, Jonesy?" "Singing, sir."

[@sicknote1558]

​​@@skyden24195ol 😆 🎶 hunt for red October 👍

[@applejacks971]

"Let them shing" - Cpt. Ramius

[@GeneralBlorp]

@@applejacks971 😂

[@Idahoguy10157]

Most of the noise reduction was improved propellers. In the 1980’s Toshiba of Japan illegally sold CNC machines to Russian shipyards

[@JohnnyAFG81]

Really? Why was it illegal?

[@Idahoguy10157]

@@JohnnyAFG81 …. Yes it was illegal. And violated treaties. Best to google it and follow the links about it. Put a big strain on Japanese-American relations

[@JohnnyAFG81]

@@Idahoguy10157 thank I’ll look it up

[@snorkman2]

@@JohnnyAFG81 because America said so.

[@JohnnyAFG81]

@@Idahoguy10157 I just read up on it. Seems like sour grapes on the Americans part. They were doing the same thing exporting Russian titanium through shell corporations for the SR-71 project.

[@joshwalrath9518]

I thought pretty much all modern submarines were double hulled? You have the external hull, ballast tanks, and then pressure hull. This has essentially been the design since the 1950s?

[@keirfarnum6811]

The Typhoons were “double hulled” in the sense that they had two side by side hills (along with three other mini hulls). But you are correct. I don’t know why he’s mentioning that as if it’s unique.

[@WilliamRWarrenJr]

Two double hulled submarines stuck together side by side (which is why the Akula/Typhoons look wide and flattened.)

[@vec306]

I was in the area of an Akula sub in the the North Atlantic during the 80’s. Go USS Narwhal.

[@tahoetom9932]

I thought 2023 was the height of the Cold War!

[@wally81000]

Now the Akula-class is one of the loudest RNF subs compared to what they have these days. They'll use it as cover for their newer ones when on deployments...

[@spvillano]

Well, by any standard, they're antique today. So, of course they're now the loudest. Just nowhere as deafening as the old Alfa class.

[@yfelwulf]

they lured you away from some other activity then vanished

[@spvillano]

@@yfelwulf huh? I didn't see anything. My hearing aids batteries are dead.

[@Highendaudio1]

@wally81000 Another walter course they were, haha BS

[@bartdaw6681]

SOSUS was something that the Americans used to keep tabs on the soviets fleet of subs during the Cold War. The Soviet nuke subs were tailed very successfully and the Soviet leadership found out how successful the Americans were at tailing the nuke missile subs and the Soviet leaders came to the conclusion that their nuclear missile subs would have all been destroyed had they tried to launch a first strike attack. There is a good documentary about this on KZbin.

[@phincampbell1886]

Weren't they required to surface n report to Moscow once a day, as well, which the USA simply monitored?!

[@eastafricanvybz]

Same case with the Walker spy ring. All US subs would have been destroyed by the USSR.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Russian boomers had to surface to launch missiles. They would have been sunk before they could complete the launch process.

[@thefrunze.198]

​@@Dave5843-d9m where did you get this info? Some fucking freeaboo?

[@NefariousKoel]

The stealth disadvantage of their subs led to the Soviet leadership using the 'Boomer Bastion' strategy. They would place rings of mines and attack sub patrols around their boomer subs' patrol area. in the hopes that NATO attack subs wouldn't be able to get through those layered defenses without loss. Don't really know how effective that strategy would be in a hot war, or how long it would've delayed, but it was an interesting approach. Especially considering the extra danger inherent with mine field entrances.

[@williamhoffer9277]

Great presentation!

[@suni8377]

Hey, I love & liked the video, just as most of your vids and thank you for the content! ^^ But (there is always a "but") and correct me if I'm wrong but looking at the clips you used, I don't think a single one of the outdoors clips was of any of the actual typhoon class submarines. :

[@suni8377]

or rather, after doing even more research, it seems there are even more "Akula-type" subs: Akula 1 & 2 & 3. But all of them differenciate significantly from the actual Typhoon (which is only the nato nickname I know), but the displacement of Akula 1 & 2 & 3 (surfaced) is 8,000->8,500 tons depending on the version; while the actual double-hull monster typhoon we know has a displacement of 23,000->24,000 tons. Quite the difference, eh? Furthermore, this can't even be classified as the same type after 'improvement' you talked about since the akula 1 & 2 & 3 had the length of roughly 110-113 meters, while the typhoon I was describing which was feared by the west, was 175 meters long.

[@exF3-86]

​@@sjb3460 just a reminder- the 2nd amendment only applies to the USA. YT is international, and we outnumber you by a long way

[@justeunfan3364]

@@exF3-86 On the other hand KZbin don't care about other nations laws and censor everything they dislike, even if its legal to show or even illegal to censor in concerned countries, but they will allow illegal things in music clips. Why ? KZbinurs cost them money, music labels gives them plenty.

[@Thrandi]

I’d really love it if you would do video on Tom Clancy and how The Hunt for Red October interlaced with these videos and why it shook up the US intelligence community at the time.

[@TheNuckinFoob]

I guarantee you every stat they say is *_drastically_* under reported. The Shchuka-B was an absolute f*cking MONSTER of a submarine. It was incredibly deep, fast and bursting at the seams with firepower. But it was still loud as f*ck and easily tracked.

[@toptiergaming6900]

For propaganda, I think it might have been the opposite, similar to the Mig 25

[@Starman_Dx]

"You arrogant ass, you've killed us!"

[@dritzzdarkwood4727]

"All ahead flank! Inquire the engineer of the possibility of going to 105% on the reactor"

[@wiseguy3696]

Umm, ACKTCHUALLY, the submarine that captain Tupolev commanded was an Alfa class.

[@mercedes1254]

All submarines since the beginning of WWII have had double hulls. Even German UBoats had "double hills".

[@rogergiles3190]

Do the new UK submarines have single hulls ?

[@peterd.2963]

😢

[@paulyokoyama7162]

I thought the Akula class was quiet because it had an MHD drive which was that jet engine looking thing on the back of the sub.

[@recceeboy1237]

Towed array module.

[@pieterveenders9793]

There are no subs with MHD, other than the Red October, and that a fictional movie sub ;-)

[@nikedgerated]

Nothing to do with Typhoon class Ballistic Missile submarines or the "Red October". Akula were typical Attack submarines for submarine to sub or surface ship action. The Typhoon ones were, apart from being able to attack other subs or surface ships, capable to launch Ballistic missiles (with or without nuke warheads) to continental targets.

[@nikedgerated]

@@SeaSpirit-z7p the video is all about the Akula (in the West) Project 971 Shchuka-B Attack submarines... NOT the Typhoon (in the West) Project 941 Akula Ballistic Missile submarines. Shchuka-B had none SLBMs, Typhoon-Akula had a 20 SLBMs platform.

[@LeopardIL2]

​@@SeaSpirit-z7p Yes the Typhoon was basically a mobile silo. 20 SLBMs with multiple warheads of several megatons. Thank God it was never necessary... this business is now pure nostalgia but those Subs were perhaps the deadliest weapons the mankind made.

[@johnnycee5179]

Now Russia has the Dmitry Donskoy, a Typhoon class sub but the U.S. has the U.S.S. Seawolf attack sub, both deadly subs for different reasons.

[@sicknote1558]

​@auschwitzsoccerref.8582 very interesting 👍

[@LeopardIL2]

​@Auschwitz Soccer Ref. Yes nd they are 20 meters long almost 2 meters wide. The Dimitri was scheduled for decommission this year but i didn't knew it took place already. Thanks.

[@HarryWHill-GA]

Better still, we have the Virginia-class attack boats. I'm told a Virginia is quieter at 20 knots than an improved Los Angeles is tied up to the pier.

[@twinshark429]

Russia says it has lots of Wunderwaffe. Until they actually start working we have no reason to believe them. I’ve watched too many vids of cruise middles blowing up grannies beat field for no reason to be afraid of Russia anymore. Some general probably sold the rocket components for the ICBMs so he could pay for high end escorts.

[@shamanbhattacharyya9285]

Russia has the borei class submarines like the yuri dolgorukiy and the belgorod submarine

[@pcmacd]

2:00 - Don't ever let some fool tell you titanium is stronger than steel. It isn't. Not by a very long shot. The statement here that the titanium hull of the Rooskie vessel would allow it to take more punishment is pure and utter bullshite, all other things being equal. The density of generic titanium is around 4.506 g/cm3, with a modulus (basic strength) of 116 GPa. Low carbon steel has a density of around 7.85 gm/cm3, with a modulus of 200 GPa. The ratio of steel to titanium modulus is 1.7, meaning that steel is basically 1.7 times as strong as titanium for a cylinder of equal diameter on a load testing machine. Special alloys of either of these materials can move the comparisons around. You can get steel alloys that are lots stronger than typical carbon steel. I don't know if this is true with titanium. The ratio of the Young's Modulus (basic strength) to density (weight per cubic centimeter) is around 25.6 for both materials. The titanium part will be around 1.7x physically bigger than the steel part of the same weight to have roughly the same strength. This is all "rule of thumb" stuff, kiddies, and NOT exact science. Aluminum's density is betwixt the two, and the ratio of aluminum's modulus/density is in the very same ballpark as steel and titanium. I'd venture that you could do some creative things with titanium that might give it an edge over steel, especially when forged and physical size (like diameter, etc.) is not an issue, but I've not studied on it. I've watched titanium nose landing gear being forged for Boeing 747s at Schultz Steel in LA - that was impressive. The Boeing engineers chose titanium for a reason, and they are lots smarter about structural stuff than I am. AND THAT PART WAS FORGED! I'm a degreed mechanical engineer, and not a materials ex-spurt, but the info above is spot-on. I just be just sayin'... ...

[@movingaboveandbeyond]

Cool video. Thanks!

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

One thing I'd like to point out. The reason the Soviets put so much emphasis on speed is because they had to chase American surface fleets

[@robbabcock_]

Terrific video!

[@richardminnich4249]

The Soviets acquired the software from Japan and large scale milling equipment from the Norwegians (long time ago,so I have have gotten it backwards, but..) and were able to machine new screws that greatly reduced the cavitation. If they had tried to buy both the software and the machinery from a single country, they would have been denied, but by spreading out the purchase to two different countries, they got away with it. It was quite a scandal at the time, once the intel folks figured out what had happened.

[@larryjohnson1966]

One cannot sleep on their laurels. Technology is always evolving, and if your don't innovate, you will not succeed in war.

[@vec306]

Or in life

[@hoffbd1]

I haven't bought a product with the name Toshiba on it since then and will never again. I was in the USN.

[@applejacks971]

"Ya just gotta shut everything down and make like a hole in the water" - Jones, USS Dallas

[@richardpatton2502]

As time goes by, Russian submarines get noisier and noisier due to the lack of proper maintenance All the best to everyone

[@bioltvint1boltvint125]

over time, sand will fall out of you and anyone. I'll tell you a secret.

[@derrekkestrel9304]

Seems like a lot of the newer videos show rows of subtitles before you hit play. Just not in the thumbnail.

[@chargedupchallah5006]

Pause, find the sudoku symmetry. Pay Attention

[@danielbarnes7559]

Our computer hardware and software advantage made these subs easier to find as time went on

[@franciskiunga4796]

You forgot the Poseidon 😆😆👍

[@wythewinchester3236]

During the cold war; friends of my parents ran into a submerged submarines periscope in the channel between Long Beach and Santa Catalina Island. They made a report to the Coast Guard. Their reply was that there were no American subs in the area at the time.

[@spvillano]

And those subs weren't very quiet and really cool. They would've been were they there, but ignore what you saw, they weren't there. During the Cold War, I've had that conversation more than once with peers. ;)

[@Bernievids]

I had a periscope go under me while swimming in the ocean off Fiji. It left a trails of bibles I could literally feel. We were 50 Km off the island we were staying at a drop off section. We got lost and couldn’t find the reef. After this I sway away and the water became massively flowing in Al directions. I thought I was going to drown and the water became warmer than it already was and so much so that I became sweaty. Yes, perspiring in water. I’m just glad I called the boat over to come and collect me. This took a few minutes if waiving. I was exhausted and after explaining what had happened, my family had little understanding of what I was saying nor did the captain. But I eventually caught the turbulence of the see like a slick in the distance leaving a wake of sorts. Anyways, I reckon they did this as a laugh because they would have heard us there for twenty mins before I saw it. The depth of the water was about 200m apparently.

[@oneshothunter9877]

I'm from Greenland. You guys stories reminded of this. Way back in the late 1960's we lived in Uummannaq, a town on a little island in northern Greenland. Once in the middle of winter, pitch black night, I suddenly saw a bright light rotating in all directions. At this time the sea ice covered everything in that particular area, so it was very strange. Strange enough to wake up the whole town in minutes, and people were all over the place, asking and trying to find out what that thing was. The light disappeared after a little while as fast as it had appeared. Next day, in the short daylight we went dog slegging to the place where the light appeared, finding only a big hole in the ice that already had freezed over again. Nothing to see. I imagine it'd been a submarine. Nothing else than a sub could appear that way.

[@VictoriaStark-p2i]

Hallowed be thy name.

[@Omegatonboom]

It's so stealthy that we probably keep tabs on it constantly lol so we don't lose it!

[@tristanjohnson6074]

Much of the Russian specs we received at the time were exaggerations that scared us into developing far far better equipment. Let's just say that nothing happens in the ocean that the navy doesn't know about

[@qwill8254]

As an Indian , never heard the navy talk abt akula 's flaws or equipment issues .... I mean if we had them , we wouldn't have leased it twice or in talks with the Russian for extension on the lease agreement , until our ssk line comes online .

[@_Alfa.Bravo_]

Stop to buy Putins crude oil !!!

[@markgallagher5908]

Most American's think that anything not made there is junk.

[@qwill8254]

@@_Alfa.Bravo_ yeah so we refine it and sell it to you ....

[@_Alfa.Bravo_]

@@qwill8254 I got an electrical car ...

[@wiseguy3696]

Submarines are difficult to produce, especially for a nation that hasn't ever made one before. Lots of learning/growing pains. Until your shipyards gain more experience, exports will be far better in the near term.

[@tprice1386]

Foreign nuclear submarines are sitting off our eastern coast right now.

[@marknorene1785]

They also started putting quartz nozzles around the props to keep the water from cavitating then they started putting them around super tankers it also helped them

[@darrelrommel9385]

I served on a 688 class boat in the 80s, and tracking the Russians in the north Atlantic could be as easy as the sonar operators taking the headphones off and just listening. The Russians sub's sounded like like someone shaking a tin can full of rock's on a cold winter night at 2 in the morning

[@stuartpenman6387]

sure you did

[@captaindaddy8645]

legend has it that whenever a Russian submarine got close to America, a phone would ring on board. everyone would stop...stare at the ringing phone for a while...then someone would reluctantly pick up. the other end would respond with the music of the American national anthem...and then into a series of pop songs currently topping the charts. surfin bird all the way through todays classics like milkshake and WAP

[@spvillano]

Wow, sold as a new sub by the channel, but honestly, it's a trip down memory lane, as the 971 Akula class boats are being replaced by the actually new 885 Yasen class boats. Lemme guess, the George Washington class is a new submarine too? Both being so new that it's hard to get the key to wind them up in the morning...

[@bigal1863]

Well it wouldn't be a dark channel product if it were accurate

[@allenlovell1604]

Had a 2nd cousin at the USN Submarine School, and he was assigned to the prototype " Seawolf Class " submarine ! He was a 2nd class Petty Officer but was later removed for unknown reasons. He passed away some years ago 😢😮.

[@skyden24195]

And here I was thinking Dark Seas was about to talk about the "Red October." 😉😄

[@dritzzdarkwood4727]

"I would have liked to see Montana..."

[@skyden24195]

@@dritzzdarkwood4727 that part is so heartbreaking.

[@vladddtfan]

wish the footage was less random, but showing the submarines being discussed

[@mattgearhart8866]

If only the world put as much work in for peace as we do war.... I feel we would get further together but too much hate over words.

[@tealwraith9045]

Peace is created by making aggressive people wary of picking a fight with you and offering trade and productivity with them. Unfortunately, repressive, totalitarian regimes like the NSDAP, USSR, CCP and the DPRK are only interested in controlling their population through a war footing. Best way to create peace is to put ALL the tyrants to the sword. You ready to do that?

[@buck9739]

The Japanese where so nice to sell them those propellers. Very honorable people.

[@marksanney2088]

Thank you for an interesting and concise video, my friend! 👍🏻👍🏻 We truly enjoyed the overview of Russia’s Akula class submarines. 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸

[@OpLapDancePikachu69]

it feels like engineering has stagnated since the end of the cold war

[@ReflectedMiles]

It wasn't the Russians creating the quiet. That was just technology sold to them in violation of US conditions by Toshiba. It is true that Toshiba had a reason to do it as a French supplier was given much more lenience and they rightly saw that as discriminatory, but nevertheless it was action and inaction in the West that resulted in this change in Russia's capabilities, not an achievement of their own.

[@tommyrq180]

If you want to reference the seminal work on the undersea stealth competition between the US and the Soviet Union, which the US still dominates (no thanks to the Walker spy ring), see MIT national security scholar Owen Cote, _The Third Battle: Innovation in the US Navy’s Silent Cold War Struggle with Soviet Submarines_, Naval War College, 2003. PS: The Akula and its modern version, the Yasen class have still not achieved a meaningful level of quieting relative to US capabilities. That’s all I can say. Quieter? Yes. Sort of. 😅

[@JonesingUSAF]

Agreed! I’m retired Air Force but worked as a field engineer after getting out for L3’s maritime power division. The shit I learned working that position an on some of the ships and subs I got to upgrade definitely helped me sleep a bit easier if you get my point. Quieter, sure, stealthy and more silent than ours, Japan’s, or the Aussiee’s… not even close. I also love all the news posts of “oh know, Russians just launched this sub and we don’t know where it is… everyone panic.” We know where all their shit is all the time.

[@bzaretsky]

Yah. They had three submarines of Akula class. They are all in docs for indefinite repairs. One of them, Kursk, hit the bottom of the Barrens sea.

[@MrSpleenboy]

The Kursk was an Oscar II

[@HotDawgzzzzz]

I lived on the Mississippi Gulf Coast in a small town of Long Beach, and like clockwork every evening I would watch a P-8 Poseidon fly out over into the Gulf . I now know why ! 😮

[@weldonyoung8857]

Get your facts straight before publishing

[@goofyiest]

I love your content..but when you get some stuff wrong you go all in. Russia did not buy propellors from other countries. What they bought was a complex piece of machining equipment that let them craft much more complex props. The Walker spy criminals sold the Russians cryptographic materials, which let them read Naval message traffic. This let the Russians know what the acoustic vulnerabilities of the submarines were, and from that point they could engineer the problems out. The Russians and the Walkers did not 'infiltrate the submarines.'

[@justeunfan3364]

I totally understand your will to post this comment and its always good to have such precisions, I'de say that theese kind of facts, "details", may make the video too long and not be worst the time needed to clearly explain: for a random viewer the only thing they'll remember is that noise is related to propellers, and that Russia improved their subs with foreign help. The rest may not be interesting for everyone. Still interesting to have the entire story tho.

[@bdickinson6751]

Walker needed to be executed!

[@FZMello]

I hate it when documentaries contradict their selves. Which were they, "silent as a tomb" or "considerably noisy"?

[@shirishthakare9842]

this is favorite thing to think in fluid mechanics for engineers who become design engineers latter. its not difficult. but its a kept secret. one solution is ventilated perforations on blade in cavity region. can have centrifugaled water (pressured if needed) through such ventilations (negative after burner type) for no cavitations. this will reduce drag too. this is also good for copter blade by providing hallow blade and opening at axial location. another way is screw type enclosed channels. in which there is no space available for cavitations. system can be developed for laminar flow used in fountain matching somewhere for efficiency.

[@scottsmith4315]

From what I understand…..it would be a very rare occurrence when USA did not know the exact position speed and depth of every submerged vehicle in the world. They usually have at least one sub monitoring at all times and it’s rare for them to escape our grasp. Plus SOSUS picks up anything moving or not so yeah. They know. Somebody knows. We may not admit it. But they know.

[@tHEHEAd1138]

​@@dallaspalmerton5725 😂 *BITCHSLAP* That was genuinely funny! 👍

[@mmdirtyworkz]

Keep telling that to yourself if it comforts you.

[@rajaydon1893]

that is extremely improbable

[@justeunfan3364]

Yeah of course, and there is an american soldier for every single foreign soldier, watching him 24/7 from a satellite camera... Americans desillusion about their army is incredible.

[@mmdirtyworkz]

@@justeunfan3364 That delusional attitude stems from decades of US army preying on much weaker opponents, making them lulled in a sense of false security.

[@michaelhoughton6650]

'Stealth' , Derrr ! I can see it I video !

[@stangundam01]

have you done a video on a comparison between american & russian subs & boats - size, capability etc??

[@wst8340]

Russian subs are Bigger More Armament

[@ggravett]

The Shchuka-B - NATO Call sign is Akula (which is shark in Russian).

[@wiseguy3696]

Always an important distinction when talking about these submarines. Lots of confusion between NATO and eastern bloc countries.

[@adventurekids3708]

Great video Good information

[@libertariantranslator1929]

What about the Soviet Submarine that malfunctioned 04NOV1983 NE of Bermuda? Is there an episode on that one? ☮

[@TRHARTAmericanArtist]

Our allies, Japan and Norway helped the Soviets build better killing machines by supplying them with noiseless propellers. Great friends...

[@Apodeipnon]

America doesn't have friends

[@thomasshoe92]

I never knew that. Can you provide a link?

[@pieterveenders9793]

As if the US is a "great friend" to either of them, or anyone else for that matter (with the sole exception of the country who walks the US by its leash, Israel).

[@blackandyellow87]

@@pieterveenders9793 someone salty lol

[@TRHARTAmericanArtist]

@@thomasshoe92 It's in the video

[@scottmarquardt3575]

Sweden has the best technology in steel now. But with unlimited titanium, a lightweight super steel you could... Cutting it with gasses has really advanced in the last 20 years. Is all the iron ore Australia sells China high quality too?

[@phincampbell1886]

Akula propellor, it means no worries, for the rest of the seas...

[@thecatthinks]

One ping only.

[@tiberiusgracchus4222]

After seeing Russian military equipment in action in Ukraine, I think I'll pass on submerging in a Russian submarine.

[@dankim333]

Submerging is fine. The surfacing part may be tricky tho

[@HendrikPlukaard]

By seeing, you mean looking at USA mainstream media.

[@justeunfan3364]

Russian material is very good and in some aspects is surpass western equipments. But they have very bad strategy, or at least very inefficient. While we try to spend billions on avoiding casuallities at all cost ( by using stealth or ensuring each soldier is as trained as possible), they bet on simplicity and shear number. In term of moral its clearly a problem, and its not a good idea for small scales war like Ukraine, but in a world war scenario it may be the way to win. In WW2 a german tiger II was better than a t-34 in every way. Yet they were 1 vs 45. Just bomb one single plant and its impossible to build a new f-35. Destroying the Russian industrial complex would be near impossible in war time.

[@fredmaxwell9619]

The Akula and Alfa class submarines were very noisy and easy to detect. Lets not forget a torpedo is faster then those submarines and can go deeper. But they did become quieter when the Japanese company Toshiba sold propeller milling machines illegally to the Soviets. The soviets never had an advantage over US submarines.

[@webweb7164]

What does illegally sold mean?

[@fredmaxwell9619]

@@webweb7164 There was a law/agreements to not sell those type of milling machines to the Soviets thus Illegal.

[@stephaniehouston5574]

​@@fredmaxwell9619 I'm

[@thehappysmiler6752]

@@webweb7164 Haha! I'm glad I'm not the only one left baffled. Gotta love the Yanks. Imagine telling a foreign company how it should run its business!

[@applejacks971]

Goolge says they Typhoon and Akula are the same, yet other articles say they are 2 totally different vessels. Anyone know what's correct? Pics of the 2 classes are different with different specs, yet operational years both say til 2023?

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Project 971 "Щука-Б" .. NATO designation: Akula Project 941 "Акула" (Akula) .. NATO designation: Typhoon Don't know how you use Google and what articles you found, but *both* Wiki pages even start with a note, talking about the confusing names. Even if you miss that note somehow, the answer is at the beginning of the first paragraph. Took like 2 minutes to find and read.

[@hartleyfindley5684]

How is this possible the cold war is no ended

[@russellknight26]

Can submarines go faster at greater depth? Does the pressure reduce propeller cavitation? Possibly increasing potential thrust? Would that also improve stealth characteristics?

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

No. Deeper is more pressure and resistance.

[@russellknight26]

@@wilsonrawlin8547 yes the pressure on the hull would be higher but in a fluid it wouldn't increase drag. The viscosity of water doesn't change. My thought is as depth increases the propeller cavitation should decrease so theoretically either top speed or efficiency should improve with depth. But I'm just guessing I don't know fuck all about this stuff.

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

@@russellknight26 Hydrodynamic efficiency cannot stop the resistance of the change in water pressure against the hull as the sub goes deeper. You may have a point about the cavitation. Sounds right to me. IDK about speed. We need a sub expert. The sub still has to push through the water.

[@dr9205]

Johnny Walker RED!

[@markrowland1366]

Toshiba had sold the silent secret, to the Soviets.

[@sailor0500]

I think your channel is the tops. Thanks. Mike.

[@_Alfa.Bravo_]

H I sutton is the best !!!

[@kentwilliams4152]

They mist have come a long way fast. I served 7 years in the U.s. Navy Submarine Service before the turn of the century. We were assigned to trail Russian missile submarines off the east coast of the U.S. They were unbelievably noisy with very poor sonar capability. It is hard to believe with the fall of the U.S.S.R. that they have progressed to any real degree.

[@timblack33]

A couple Akula-II they built in the mid 90’s were very quiet for the first few months. Today they can build a very quiet boat they just can’t maintain it. The new Yasssen was dead silent initially and now the Italians are already nagging it up.

[@burekksasirom]

I here just to read "expert" comments were people come to spill knowledge instead enjoying the video.... :D

[@RedSinter]

The first Akula's had faulty power plants. Toshiba didn't help any by selling the Russians advanced Milling Machines to build propellers with considerably less cavitation an ability they had not previously had.

[@ekij133]

Submarines are "boats" not "ships".

[@marienfeld07]

I like by far Deutsche Technologies

[@chheinrich8486]

i loved it when a movie called a russian nuclear armed subamrine an akula🤣

[@alanwayte432]

What film

[@chheinrich8486]

@@alanwayte432 godzilla 2014

[@diogenes64]

Crimson Tide with Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington.

[@applejacks971]

@@diogenes64 "You're right, about the horses...they are from Spain, not Portugal"

[@gma729]

I ❤️ DARK SEAS !!!!

[@NatureSonic-Haven]

The development of a stealth submarine that was previously thought to be impossible is a remarkable achievement for the defense industry. The new submarine reportedly incorporates advanced technologies that significantly reduce its acoustic signature, making it more difficult for enemy ships to detect and track. The ability to operate stealthily is critical for submarines, as it allows them to approach and engage enemy targets without being detected. This is particularly important in modern naval warfare, where anti-submarine warfare capabilities have advanced significantly in recent years.

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Being stealthy is the entire point of submarines and it's quiet obvious that "advanced tech" is used to achieve that. How do all these garbage military channels even survive on YT?

[@Glostahdude]

Yup. And where are they now? Floating in a fjord somewhere in Northern Russia rusting away…. Gonna be a huge nuclear catastrophe there soon if they don’t finish disposing of those nuclear reactors….

[@ericclausen6772]

Keep them small less noise

[@anthonykoller4459]

One thing about the Russians, they can turn a ball of string into something that can be used against their opponents

[@mertergene9240]

Sexiest looking sub ever made… close to the Alfa

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

and there is HMS Vigilant

[@mikemines2931]

Came at a steep price! Yes society broke down.....

[@iwantyourcookiesnow]

Aren’t all military submarines technically “stealth submarines “?

[@ImmortalTreknique]

For the algorithm 👊

[@trevortaylor5501]

That single typhoon they have as a test bed could lay waste to the world if the russians are attacked, think about that for a minute. That's one sub. They have all kinds of brand new subs of all classes.

[@SvdSinner]

The Ukrainian war has shown how much of a paper tiger the Russian military is, and I am sure some of the same corruption we see today was happening during the USSR. Their weapons might be incredible on paper but suffered from numerous flaws that prevented them from being dominant machines with a high readiness rate.