The Story Of How Afreeca Tried To NERF Flash

[@Michael_McMillan]

Stats like "hasn't lost a best of 5 vs protoss in 11 years" is SOOOO CRAZY!!!

[@phamnhat2925]

but it's kind of misleading because no bo5 vs protoss happened during a large stretch of those 11 years and I say this as a Flash fan

[@Rev0ltTTV]

Yeah that doesn't mean he hasn't lost a bo3 or bo7 so a little misleading.

[@CoNteMpTone]

@@Rev0ltTTVi think it includes best of 7

[@YouJustAmazeMe]

Dude, YES. The old intros were soooo badass. Like, yeah the first time you see it its kinda goofy (especially if you started early with the spacesuits LOL), but once you started to follow the scene closer, seeing these players in showdown intros, PL intros showcasing their aces.. goddamn was it glorious

[@cajiky]

Bro 2007 EVER OP was the best. So great!

[@gamesnews4440]

You are one of the funniest commentator and entertainer, we need more Starcraft history lessons about old players

[@phyvo]

Might I suggest www.youtube.com/@StarcraftHistorian ? There are a ton of interviews and a lot of them are really interesting, though most of the pro players are SC2 I think.

[@cloongeorgy7553]

Reading someone referring to flash as a old player made me realise my own mortality

[@Repetoire]

daigo parry was the first time chun li's super had been full parried in a major tournament. It's why Wong used it to begin with, he didn't thing daigo had the nerves left to full parry it, and his nerves were shot he wanted to end it.

[@gigaslave]

JWong still became a legend despite his loss, you now have to beat him to get pvp cred online lol.

[@zam1007]

There's a full write up in the comments of the evo moment 37 video.

[@milanpintar]

so good to listen to you again.. sc2 was my life at its peak and I never thought it could go away and I was in my 30's

[@yyyy-uv3po]

As someone would say, this Flash vs Snow in ASL5 gave me chills. Still can't believe that Flash won on Sparkle.

[@Prometheus4096]

During the peak of SC BW, the best players would have 55% to 60% winrates. Teams had so many players, if you were able to win 55% of your games, they would always play you during proleague. If not, you were rotated out by someone who was able.

[@SawyerKnight]

Flash welcoming the map pool "rigging" as a chance to prove nothing can stop him is the most bad-ass gamer move I have ever heard of. and really shows how solid his Character is. He truly is the Greatest.

[@yyyy-uv3po]

And then he decided it was still not enough and went random!

[@IntoTheSkyy]

The craziest part of this story to me is how the community just accepted this as a necessary action. Rigging the maps against Flash would be like the mlb deciding shohei ohtani is too good, and making him hit with a weighted bat. Or fifa deciding that messi is too good, and making him play with weighted clothes. If either of those scenarios happened, people would lose their minds. But when it happened to flash, everyone was like: "yeah, he's too good, this makes the game better."

[@jamie_miller]

It's even crazier than that, because the nerf was automatically applied to ALL Terran players!

[@csadams404]

Free throw rules were changed because of some players was it maybe like Larry Bird being able to dunk on free throws?

[@sihTdaeRtnaCuoY]

Plot twist: The tournament organizers heard that Flash was losing motivation, so they came up with the map pool in order to re-motivate him.

[@model84]

sadly the guy in the video didn't cover that part where Flash was so tired of dominating that he played random in ASL and still ended up 3? or 4?

[@priontv5228]

it's impressive but it's not like he was championship level with all three races. he was seeded into the Ro16 and mostly won by abusing the fact that his opponents didnt know what race he was

[@model84]

@@priontv5228 agree, but imo still impresive on that level and was boring to watch him win with terran again:)

[@qcdoomqc]

@@priontv5228not exactly true, he won a bunch of matchups like PvP in games where the opponent got first scout…

[@mysticlegion8088]

​@@qcdoomqcwow, this proves he was a bad ass. Haters always hating.

[@FlokiTech]

@@priontv5228 "Abusing" cmon that is the point of playing random

[@Pangora2]

About the tendons, I realized this through various injuries over the years or working out. If you make a tight fist you can see your rear upper arm clench as well. I had a fall injury above my elbow over a month ago and it took weeks to get my proper grip back. Muscles get complicated.

[@BatkoNashBandera774]

Flash is only now rivaled by Tetris Kid, both are contextually out of our concept of skill.

[@Handle35667]

So basically Flash is the Wilt Chamberlain of e-sports.

[@sleeper1855]

Tasteless would you ever consider doing a videos about excellent games/series from previous years? I'd love to watch a compilation of the old really excellent games like the Flash vs Snow series you talked about.

[@Materialist39]

Seconded

[@Juiceb0xable]

Thirded

[@Liur.]

Even a top 10 video that actually dissects a bit of the game and why it's a fav

[@litofficial]

Good shit Tasty. Glad you're doing well. OGN comment made me smile. God damn were those intros fucking amazeballs.

[@MeantForNothing]

I paused the video instantly when I realized I haven't seen the flash Vs snow game, went over to afreecatv and watched it, those games were amazing

[@jeremysimms9563]

Didn’t know about the tournament organizers’ attempts to nerf Flash. Reminds me of early 2000s professional golf where the PGA/USGA “Tiger-proofed” courses to try to even the playing field.

[@TripodianTT]

Funny thing is it was so short sighted as it only gave him even more of an edge on the field. If you make the course longer then the guy hitting it further is obviously even better off.

[@MoonyD911]

Flash’s lost run of dominance was crazy back in the day. The only time you’d see him lost was to crazy cheeses in bo1 games. That final proleague finals which went to game 7 ACE match between Flash and Bisu was just crazy. Still gives me goosebumps to this day.

[@spidzcats]

I remember the battle reports from era and the Agent911, zileas, xds ~grrr games.

[@tvadan2586]

2:40 I miss proleague so much, such nerd chills hearing those asian girls scream as flash wins

[@Zephyrbal]

I was following the "Korea time" streams back when Flash was first on the rise. It was no shit like watching a legendary pro athlete emerge and stake his claim. The hype was incredible

[@johng8952]

I would love more history of the older players, especially Boxer and Savior.

[@mariofox8377]

Idk how boxer isn't consider the goat instead of flash... Most of the Terran tech that flash used and abused was literally invented by boxer

[@Tpike777]

Definitely love this sorta stuff from Tasteless. I remember checking several years ago and both his and Artosis's KZbin channels were established but didnt post consistently. Cool to see them both doing well with it now. Make sure not to burn yourself out man!

[@Kalron9]

72% and an 11 year win streak against a Bo5 against protoss is absolutely INSANE. It's a shame that Flash couldn't win that round against Snow because that would have been a big FU to ASL. I'm gonna go watch some more Flash games and watch Tastless/Artosis nerd over Brood War. It's one of my favorite things ever.

[@sage4670]

Oh man this is one of the few times I've seen someone give Last his flowers. That guy is definitely underrated

[@Raithed]

Tasteless story time is best time.

[@peterschuller3140]

I came here to see if anyone else noticed the narrator of the flash video continually called the game Brood Wars.

[@LinkGallent]

*shudders*

[@donaldwsjr]

I would love to see videos about battle reports as a way to make SC history more accessible

[@RJB_TV]

I'm proud of tasteless knowing some anatomy :)

[@TheHarrie93]

FlaSh not only holds a 70% winrate. He dominated the sport for over a decade. Yes his SC2 years weren't as succesful but his first premier wins were from 2008 and his last were in 2019. Imagine in any other sport being dominant for that long!

[@kya6816]

Flash was paid by africa. He didnt reviled details but flash said some other streaming company approach to him but africa's deal was the another level.

[@martindelin]

LOOOVE the idea of you commentating "old classic" from the early eras! -> including Boxer replays (which is later ofc)

[@dreadiedude]

Flash is so insanely good! I was able to see his Season 4 ASL finals win live in Seoul, it was amazing to be at the tournament!

[@gunkanjima3408]

The narrator kept saying “Brood Wars” so he can go kick rocks with no shoes on

[@iamLI3]

i will always remember the hype you generated for the game nada played in the asl , nada trying to make his mark by countering larva's turtle into ultra strategy with nukes and almost barely getting the win vs a calibur of player who would later become an asl champion himself , truly modern history we are living through , just wish he could have made it back into asl some more times since then :c ....

[@AnonymousSmurf]

Great video, thanks for the commentary - always appreciate your personal input Tasteless!

[@Prometheus4096]

2007 EVER StarLeague Opening was the best.

[@DevinDTV]

The Daigo clip was never about him doing something new, unheard of, etc. It was just that he pulled it off in a tournament at the most crucial moment. It was simply extremely hype. Not really the best display of skill in particular.

[@Pangora2]

Oof, Roadrunner. I remember that. I think that was the first "Post 56k" "Broadband" our house had.

[@voodoochild24262]

"Brood Wars" started to bug me a bit lol

[@SliPsHoTiFc]

if you ever need help with any injury tasteless. I m a DPT with years of experience treating athletes and a previous powerlifting coach. Happy to explain things or help for free. Considering all the content I have consumed its the least I can do.

[@MrAndersonmm]

Been following the pro BW scene since like 2005-2006. I really hope Flash is able to come back in the next few years but I don't expect it - age and injury eventually catch up to us all.

[@CoNteMpTone]

You should take the title of "GOD" more serious.

[@Rachenviel]

Is there anyone who has explained why some maps favour some races much more than others?

[@mylesunderwood979]

Tasteless, your history videos and humour make you an absolute top tier rts esports legend. I absolutely love these videos, you´re filling a huge info gap us nerds. Thank you!

[@enjolraslechimiste]

This is great. Thanks for being the best BW caster by far!

[@8BitChad]

I remember Flash's short time in SC2 and making a top 4 in GSL thinking he was going to just dominate that game as well.

[@GetterRay]

Flash was so strong that the only thing that could stop him was himself selling crypto scams to his fans.

[@decem_sagittae]

Nice man. We need more of these videos. Starcraft history is rly interesting.

[@thoronirgros188]

I was so sad when Jaedong got stomped by flash over and over in 2010.

[@goodguycwyzz4768]

Daigos moment is still ridiculous even if Japanese were doing that at arcades because he did it live, while Justin was smashing and making noise, and in the semi finals!

[@teodor783]

My boy effort not getting a mention for ruining flash’s plans

[@mmrsupermannohome]

Really enjoying your "stories and history of StarCraft/eSports" style of videos

[@CoL_Drake]

i also really loved the intros from TSL, (tsl3 i think?), for a foreign made thing that was awesome ... and now i feel old remembering it

[@AzngameFreak03]

When youre so good your fans root against you.

[@dbertarelli1]

I'm really enjoying your takes regarding these stories. Thanks for breaking the fourth wall.

[@dominicochs7697]

Not played a single BW game, give me more Videos like this! :D

[@ChrisCoelho]

I’m loving these videos btw giving some behind the scenes cool stories about StarCraft and the Korean scene please keep making more of these

[@elisabettajdj335]

Serral dominating has nothing to do with his skill, but that 99 percent have retired and 1 percent just casually play, while some tryhard finish guy still plays.

[@bernardosuss]

I like this type of content. It's good to know your views on the history of SC2 etc. Much love from Brazil

[@kentmcintyre32]

Jinro popped off, MC, parting I loved that era!

[@Slaphappy1975]

Really loving these reaction videos Tasteless! You have such a unique experience and perspective on Starcraft that it's always interesting to hear.

[@lukex1337]

That was a cool reaction vid. I never got into competitive BW cuz it was all in Korean so thanks for giving a lot of context!

[@Parad0x0n]

"history been made" 😂

[@CallMeCJorDandy]

5:07 Your the best , Flash !

[@Invictus1293]

Great vid! would like more of this type of content

[@sergiorodriguez6316]

shit man this kind of video take back so hard i remeber the GOM invitational where flash beat boxer and i was like damn that kid is good

[@christopherpumphrey7023]

We can thank Reckful for making donations a norm for streamers.

[@BBKDRAGOON]

Loving this content, thanks Tasteless!

[@noonefromnowhere99]

Dude, battle reports! OMG, me and my friends used to read these all the time!

[@phlogistanjones2722]

Thanks for the vidja Tasteless. Flash was amazing. I hope when he end his service he will be able to do things he enjoys. If that is StarCraft then BULLY FOR US! Peaceful Skies.

[@Sinekyre14]

Daaamn dude cool story, I never knew this was going on

[@AnonymousSmurf]

More reaction and reflection videos on SlayerS Boxer, Flash and Savior please!

[@R41D]

watch that EVER StarLeague 2007 Opening intro again. I dare you to not get hype. Maybe do a Tier list video of the intros ? lol

[@itranscendencei7964]

You may want to not pause the video *quite* as much. There's a couple spots where you pause and play the video less than 10 seconds apart multiple times. Makes it kind of hard to follow and seem a bit scatterbrained. Also, you want to be sure that if you're going to pause the video that there is a specific reason for what you're going to say, and not just a random thought.

[@runedek]

Yeah I found it annoying. Had to go find the original video instead

[@itranscendencei7964]

That's how I normally go about "react" content. It's extremely rare that I actually care to listen to someone breakdown a YT video or whatever. Unless that person has further knowledge beyond the video, like in this case. Even then though, I usually go find the original video and watch it first.

[@andrewjeon6880]

Content like the last two videos: story time for your experiences in the gaming world as a caster. Infinitely more interesting than a StarCraft cast although I will always love StarCraft!

[@dustincintron1682]

Is there a vod anywhere of you casting that flash vs snow BO5 ?

[@jameson5508]

The source video is a bit superficial but it's mostly accurate.

[@mcspud]

I'm surely the only one that remembers Grrrrrrr. The memories!

[@Yukio87]

I do also.. dominant protoss player till boxer

[@SargeGG]

Really loving these reaction videos lately!

[@jayceh]

Flash wins another ASL Other terrans: "ah shit here we go again"

[@csiri6758]

Life was the best SC2 player of all time, sad he got in jail.

[@hexaquras9374]

he kinda nerfed himself rn, I wish he'd upload on his YT again. I dont really care about the crypto stuff just his gameplay

[@Shmandalf]

Flash will always be unique

[@nathanwatt5545]

Omg xds grrr is a name i haven't heard in a long time

[@ВаликСлавинский-е5г]

imagine how regular terran suffer from this inti-terran maps because of flash, disgusting

[@szybkilewyprostyf231]

Pomyśleć co Flash by na wywijał w Evo... 😎

[@Ashibal]

Thanks 4 the vid G

[@GamerMcBaggin]

I love gossip

[@blunts4brekfast]

cOMPLETELY AGREE. SNOW IS THE BEST PVT. ALSO, i LOVE MY 1A2A3A 1A2A3A 1A2A3A SHIRT. THANKS TASTELESS

[@gotentk4]

Serral is the flash of sc2

[@hiramrichmond3341]

MORE STARCRAFT HISTORY LESSONS

[@Azuciea]

time to watch it again I suppose.

[@bts_officially]

Snow is way better now

[@schwanimal]

The closest comparison to Flash in sports is Wayne Gretzky, in terms of how insanely they dominated their competition. Before you try to mention another athlete, please look up Gretzky's records. I'm not even a Hockey fan.

[@Zraknul]

Some of Wayne's NHL accomplishments: Note: For Hockey scoring points are either a goal or an assist. Two teammates can be awarded assists on a goal. The fastest player to score 1000 points is Wayne in 424 games. The second fastest player to score 1000 is also Wayne in 433 games. Number 3 is Mario Lemieux in 513 games Wayne is the only player to score 2000 regular season points period. Wayne has the most goals Wayne has the most goals in a season Wayne has the most assists Wayne has the most assists in a season Wayne has the most points if you took away all his goals. Wayne's second season in the league he broke the single season record (164 points from 152) Wayne's third season in the league he broke his own record with 212 points (39% more points than the before Wayne record holder) He broke it again a few years later to the current 215 points. Wayne is the only player to score over 200 points in a season (82 games). He did it 4 times. Wayne was the top scoring player 7 years in a row. The streak was stopped by Mario Lemieux (see above). Of the next 7 years, Wayne won 3, Mario won 4. (10 years Wayne, 4 Mario, 0 everyone else) Wayne has more assists in a season than anyone has points with 163, besides Mario Lemieux who has 2 seasons better (168 and 199). Wayne has 9 of the top 11 seasons. The other two are Mario. The top scoring two brothers are Wayne and Brent Gretzky. Brent has 4 points. 2857 combined. Number 2 is the Sedin brothers with 2,111 combined. The top scoring any set of brothers Sutters, with 2934 points to 2857 for the Gretzky brothers. There are 6 Sutters. When you include playoff points, the Gretzky Brothers are back on top.

[@JakeGittes84]

Michael Phelps is another good one. 23 Olympic gold medals.

[@ilvivente]

Really interesting!

[@JoesFastestStarcraftCasts]

Great video!!!

[@zKyo7763s]

Thanks for the content

[@Andrew_EvsW]

How can you say Snow is the best toss? Bisu, Mini,Jangbi way better..

[@PerikleZ87]

He did not? He said best PvT player. I don't know much about Snow as I did not follow the BW scene after SC2 came out, but before that time Stork and Jangbi were the best PvT players. BeSt was the PvP master and Bisu was the greatest in PvZ. All by a small margin though. In fact, Flash was famous for defeating Storks very successful carrier strat!

[@Andrew_EvsW]

@@PerikleZ87 I think overall Bisu has the most wins against Flash

[@bladeorade12]

Why does that guy keep saying Brood Wars its driving me crazy its Brood War not plural Love you tasteless Been watching since 2009