The Story of "Legion" (So far!) [Lore]

[@Burred11]

I feel like blizzard feels like this MIGHT be the last expansion so they are trying to close all the plot holes and expansion wishes that fans have been wanting, that is just the expression that i get from the information that we have gotten at this point. I also find it weird how Anduin is the only characters that ages.

[@zeppelinled3967]

Ven Flemmingson no it isnt last they expanded pvp sistem and they said this from legion > forever so it isnt last i hope

[@PluxBR]

Ven Flemmingson Indeed. And: lol But I wouldnt want Jaina to age :(

[@lilaclake1839]

Ven Flemmingson I am pretty sure they had this idea since mop and they had more then than they do now

[@EduardoxPais]

Ven Flemmingson This may be a burning legion expansion but that doesn't mean we are going to defeat them in it and even if we do so they could still rely on the old golds as villains.

[@jksjksjsjks]

Ven Flemmingson Penultimate Exp makes more sense. 120 is a good final level cap, as it is twice the amount of vanilla. And next exp COULD take place on Argus. I mean, I hope not. 3 Legion expansions might be a little too much. While I'm currently not interested in playing WoW, I will try Legion out and see. Or not, when its painfully obvious that it will be a waste of money later.

[@Nobbel87]

The video should now have working subtitles, sorry for the delay!

[@Yrenne]

Nobbel87 Appreciate the captions. I know it's a lot of work to make them but it's nice to have them because people tend to pronounce names differently. Like how you pronounce Aegwynn as 'Age-win'. Idk if that's how you're supposed to pronounce it but it confused me the first time lol

[@hemrajdhanraj807]

Nobbel87 I am very exicited but at the same time very very distrustful, i am hoping thai it doesn't end up being like WOD grate art and really bad game play, lots of potential just to be implammented in a horrible manner. i am not preordering and i am going to weight about 2 to 3 mounts in the expansion before i decide to get it or not.

[@TheAlmightyDoge]

Nobbel87 what do you think about the possibility that Alleria and Turalyon were captured by the Burning Legion after closing the dark portal and have been corrupted and subjugated? The Burning Legion would have had plenty of time to break them since their disappearance. It would be a pretty insane twist if they were reappearing as enemies.

[@kelshadowmourne9466]

Nobbel87 great a new expancion i really like the video allways an epic way of tell an history, i like ilidan coming back, for me he is not an enemy he is an antihero, cuz he was the only hero on azeroth thats tried to kill the lich king when the other races just didnt care -.- but with his soul weak and his will brock maybe he cant resist the power of the legion and now he is a puppet, that what i dont like of this expansion, and what you say of the legendary weapons i say the same thing... a bunch of paladins running wild with the ashbringer -.- i allways want to see what happend with the tomb of sargeras and what happend with the naga with the dragons and with all the lore blizz just leave :S sorry people for my grammar but iam argentine and its dificult -.- but the warcraft just can make me xD its a great adventure a great lore and great novel

[@catraven1497]

Nobbel87 One Big boss i would love to see in Legion is N'Zoth. he has not been hear from or taken any action after cata. so with legion invading. N'zoth maybe might make a move or will he watch both forces tear each other apart. he seems the be a pretty powerful old god. he's propbly one of the most unknow lore villains and he's a boss i would love to take on. i wander if he's making plans of his own. I think if he don't appear in Legion. maybe in Warcraft IV which is a possable or WoW 2. My theory if he don't appear in WoW 2 if there is going to be one. its going to take place like 500 years later during the next 2 moon event forgot whats it called. where the new aspects are chosen. N'zoth might make a move then if that means waiting 500 years. just the destroy the new aspects and leave azeroth at another point without aspects. only time will tell.

[@HamCubes]

You're so superb at explaining lore, Nobbel! You really bring the stories alive with your descriptions and manage to incorporate the details in a compelling way. Well done, dude! Bravo! And many, many sincere thanks!

[@codegeass7162]

They call Illidan the Betrayer but in truth it was him that was betrayed...

[@elitefew8537]

DEEP SHIT

[@jadreaidy2969]

Still he is hunted Still he is hated

[@discomfort5760]

Now, his blind eyes see what others cannot! That sometimes the hands of fate must be forced!

[@carrastealth]

Illidan... a good redemption story? Sylvanas... a good redemption story...? Sylvanas and Illidan Romance Confirmed, and Half Life 3 to be announced afterwards.

[@LibertyDino]

carrastealth ''unleash your inner demon my dear Illidan'' -Sylvanas Windrunner xD

[@TheWormholeGuy]

Vincent Pietrek *Illidan strips* "Oooh..I am prepared !!!!" -Sylvanas

[@nikluth]

PROFF SPRINKLES jesus fuck, guys

[@Zyotomir]

carrastealth To the top!

[@nooneofconsequence1629]

carrastealth in all honesty if anything happens to the sylvanas/alleria story that pisses me off I am going to rage so hard and call it a good 10 years

[@BarackGamingObama]

"[...] Artifacts of those, who we lost [...]" *sees doomhammer* Green Jesus died?

[@PluxBR]

AchillesofOblivion NO! I believe more in Thrall dying than giving up hope! Oh my god, i just can't imagine all the characters GIVING UP! Who will lead the armies? Where will the hope go?

[@ferruciofernandez9901]

Doomhammer is still in talador(from the blackhand confrontation

[@maledwarfwarrior]

Another dimension Gabe Newell that is spamming Kappa in chat known as DrSandwich Thrall might not outright die, he might just be getting too old for this !@#$. He's been kicking !@# since before Warcraft 3. Maybe its time for him to raise that family he's always wanted.

[@bartoszn1609]

Another dimension Gabe Newell that is spamming Kappa in chat known as DrSandwich I fucking hope so.

[@Morec0]

AchillesofOblivion It's Thrall. He'll have given up hope. I mean, Metzen? Kill THRALL? HA!

[@MrKanooe]

Sylvanas finaly found some clothes.

[@anti-pill]

She lose some weight.

[@sofuskaka3502]

MrKanooe why!?

[@SirJorb]

***** Decomposing, maybe

[@nooneofconsequence1629]

Sir Tristan not unthinkable because it only happens to her much much slower than the rest of the forsaken/undead but maybe blizzard thought they should make some changes to some of the female armour designs so that they're not over-sexualised

[@catxborsuq1]

Tirion is probably going to see the paladin players as "chosen by the Light", and simply give them the Ashbringer. As for Doomhammer, there is a spare in the bottom of Shattrath Bay.

[@fallowsword]

My exact thoughts

[@WyattTriplett]

***** What about Sylvanas's bow? Something tells me she is going to die, for good. Or she is going to give us her bow, and she if going to sacrifice herself to save us.

[@catxborsuq1]

Wyatt Triplett It says "Windrunner Bow". That could mean it used to be Alleria's bow or Vereesa's

[@LemmiwinkssZ]

Wyatt Triplett It isnt Sylvanas's bow..Thsal dorah was Aleria's bow...former Ranger-General**

[@Macronaso]

***** Tirion isn't handing down the Ashbringer. THey stated you'll be recovering the ashbringer from the broken shores after the massive battle that takes place pre-expansion. THe ashbringer fell in battle, they said. And that means that most likely, TIrion himself.

[@TrevorProbst]

I love your voice it makes me feel warm and tingly inside its like sitting at a campfire and having your foreign uncle tell an amazing story. Keep doing what your doing man.

[@KonigKaiser4]

The Awkward momement when a Demon Hunter farms Black Temple for Warglaives

[@Funnywomangaming]

I can't wait to play a demon hunter

[@plebcity2077]

Doubleh of Meowia i swear to god you need a lvl 100 nelf or belf i'm betting 10 dollars.

[@josh29221]

plebcity it is elf only, glad blizzard is keeping with the lore for it. as for requiring a level 100, i doubt it. i presume itll require a level 80 or 90 character before creating one

[@devonbrown7662]

Doubleh of Meowia Kinda wonder if they'll put guard rails in stormwind especially around the park district.

[@TrashyPatty]

Doubleh of Meowia why

[@QuartzJones]

Doubleh of Meowia I don't have enough money to buy WoD or Legion :(

[@LeGiiTJoker]

With the rogue class hall, Artefact Weapons and rise of Anduin I hope we get a story for Valeera

[@mikeetyson9000]

Demonic DoorNob prob gonna get killed off and rogues get her weapons.

[@el_69xo]

Yes I hope her and garona team up

[@el_69xo]

Why isn't Tyrande mentioned as a main character of this expansion? She has been fighting demons for thousands of years including all of their invasions of Azeroth. She also is an integral character in illidans story. Will she just sit back and pretended that illidan isn't back? Also if malfurion is captured in the emerald nightmare I'm sure she would try to do anything to save him… and considering she is the leader of the nelves and this is basically an elf expansion, it would seem necessary for her to be apart of the experience… idk just doesn't seem right , I hope they add her.

[@sblade777]

Go off and fight the patriarchy to get more women's rights in WoW :D do it

[@1088lol]

sblade777 This is a legitimate question and you start this antifeminist shit sololy because of the profile picture? Fuck off neckbeard.

[@evans178]

Elih Friedchickenquinisha im certain that they will do something with illidan and tyrande

[@ruihernandez8159]

Tyrande was such a boss in warcraft 3 . Then wow came and she went from badass to nothing. Only female character with consistent good writting in this lore is Sylvannas.

[@kristijan8518]

Apparently blizzard hates female heroes. Sylvanas is evil, Jaina went mad and want to kill shit, Maiev went crazy too. Tyrande just disappeared, Garona is nowhere.

[@buttflashingkenny5169]

when we traveled back in time to draenor, we also traveled back in time by expansions. Next we will see The Lich King returning, and then some mad dragon destroys Azeroth. And then ... Koala bears.

[@Jpipooly]

Butt Flashing Kenny I'd be down for Koala Bears.

[@nooneofconsequence1629]

ThatGuyYouKnow they're not bears

[@davidmoutinho3240]

I love how the word "Ten thousand years" is so many times repeated on an expansion related to Illidan, lol.

[@Otama1738]

Will we ever learn what those faerie dragons are doing in tirisfall glades and the zone you cant click on using the map ????????

[@honda6353]

The zone you speak off is Stratholme. Stratholme was one of the major cities in Lorderan so the city is very very large.

[@MegaJawa12]

+Anton “Drhonda” Richter he is not speaking of stratholme, He is speaking of the whispering forest

[@arafal8936]

Chronos the whispering forest is in tirisfal.... maol asked about the area north of the eastern kingdoms and that's stratholme....

[@CameronWcool]

Chronos Actually he's speaking of both. - Cameron.

[@Acandlesfickleflame]

Well, pre-Cata, you were able to swim around the northern mountains of Tirisful Glades and Western Plaguelands to the shore of that unmarked area. When you were in the zone, the game listed it as "Quel'Thalas". This means that is cannot be Stratholme, since Stratholme was part of Lordaeron and not Quel'Thalas. So this is just an area that has ruins of the old High Elf society. Blizzard probably just found no use for it.

[@anssiaurum264]

Here's some simple math for all the people, who think everyone will be running around with the same weapon: there is an artifact weapon for each spec, 36 (3 for 10 classes, 4 for druids, 2 for demon hunters) to be exact. Additionally, there are 5 skins for each (likely each, but not sure) of the above. Already there are 180 different looks. But there's more: Every (same as above) skin of each (once again) weapon has 4 recolors, making the total of 720 looks. To give you a comparison, there are (as of 6.2) 8878 weapons. Not to mention that most of them are reskins anyway. I would estimate 2000-3000 of the 8878 to be original skins. Don't quote me on that though. Lastly, the obvious complete majority of capped players only use weapons, that are either high ilvl or transmog weapons, not some random level quest gear, which the majority of them are, and those who do use these are still not high enough level to get artifact weapons anyway. So yeah, I wouldn't expect any weapon monotony. Sorry for the long post guys. :) News: Artifact weapons can be transmogrified into other weapons. This makes even more variety.

[@Sniperkitten971]

Kåpla Kvëhla That's a good thing. But still, every paladin gets an Ashbringer ? That's quite fucked up lore wise.

[@adrenjones9301]

Sniperkitten971 yeah thats just silly, they should give Retribution Dualwield so they can wield two Ashbringers.

[@leonardovieiraperes8527]

+Sniperkitten971 only the ret ones (still kind of strange)

[@anssiaurum264]

Sniperkitten971 Leonardo Vieira Péres In a perfect scenario, only 2.8% of players are of a given spec. Some math is just counterintuitive.

[@gordn_ramsi]

Kåpla Kvëhla yeah but I'm just imagining what the class order halls will be looking like with third of the people wearing the same weapon.

[@FinalBossTV]

Wonderful story video sir. Who needs sleep! =]

[@SilentEraEU]

FinalBoss.tv lol, going trough what al you tubers think of it, it takes me alot of time indeed :D

[@carolmalone8579]

FinalBoss.tv Hi Bay!

[@blazerashbringer2001]

FinalBoss.tv Filthy casuals that who!

[@TheKSH991]

FinalBoss.tv Can someone tell me if this expansion is coming out this year or next year , because I remember blizzard saying that they want to start releasing expansions yearly

[@carolmalone8579]

Hi, there has been no release date yet. Blizzcon is first of Nov. Wish we could get a beta key soon but alot have said it may be close to the WoW movie release.. so everyone is doing alot of guessing... I am hyped for the xpac. Legion

[@NiklasAdv]

with memories stil fresh from the launch of TBC, the sound at 3:17 gives me chills stil to this day. You all know what the origin of the sound comes from, right? Ground shakes, you hear the sound and you look behind you in the rough landscap of hellfire peninsula. and there. you see two giant legs of a giant robot slowly coming towards you. then you look up on the big, big body of it. Terror. TERROR! and you are dead. Damn you reaver!

[@tuskybarn]

I love the back and forth you and Preach have. I love the raiding, drama and funny that he does, and your lore videos are simply the best. Keep up the great work and thank you for encompassing all the stuff I miss! :D

[@martinsgakke]

I love how Kargath's trailer is very similar to Warcraft3: Reign of Chaos' opening cinematic, the music, the text, the crow.

[@WarcraftShortz]

Gakgaming Yeah lol :P

[@Chronicsonic23]

Gakgaming you mean Khadgar?

[@martinsgakke]

roastedmongoose Did I really write that?!! hahahaah, Surreal. Of course it's Khadgar =P Thanks!

[@TheWormholeGuy]

Gakgaming AND THATS .... ONE...HUNDREEEEEEEED

[@NovaTheReaper]

Gakgaming Just sort of serves to highlight how underwhelming it is in comparison, tbh...

[@MeltingBuddhaCandle]

I love how landmasses just appear that nobody knew about, especially when they just appear in well traveled areas of Azeroth like the areas between EK, Kalmidor and Northrend. Nobody on a zep or boat EVER saw these places..

[@Despond]

They made Illidan an angel of light. They just add sh*t randomly and don't care anymore, so don't try make any reason from it.

[@Professor.Farnsworth]

Eeh, they knew about all these places. The only place they didn't know existed was Pandaria as it has been shrouded in mists for eons.. Northrend, Broken Isle with more were all part of Warcraft 3 expansion :).

[@unetoxhaferaj713]

They were there for sure. But if you played 1312312 hours of WOLTK and never found them i guess it's why it was WOTLK, and you have to follow a god damn lore. When we talk about Lich King as a big threat to azeroth...why the fuck should we be worried for broken isles, wich provide no threat and no danger.

[@GarsonProduction]

What if there is a way for Gul'dan to "extract" the memories of Illidan? Illidan inherited some of the memories of our Gul'dan as the consumed the powers from his skull. Maybe Gul'dan is going to try to extract memories from Illidan to gain more knowledge about our time line and how to defeat us and Kadgar? :)

[@el_69xo]

+Achievementsish I doubt it considering guldan is a raid boss

[@reanislandable]

Nobel, I love all the hard work you put into your videos, it's always a treat to watch them all. Keep up the good work man.

[@jackm4335]

God I remember watching this video as I was leaving for vacation. Just saw the Legion announcement and holy shit was I hype.

[@thaizetian7901]

Guldan again? that guy realy needs to know when to quit.

[@copticorthodox7241]

hahahahaha amazing

[@PDTeter]

Guldan has been a big player in every bit of lore since nerzhul made him. until he really dies itll always be the same

[@need304]

Dont worry, they say this is the last "version" of Gul'dan, but don't take my word for it, its only what i heard!

[@Nemzky]

After Thralls reaction to killing Garrosh, he was defeated. He will almost certainly lay down Doomhammer. His spirit is already broken. It was mentioned hat you will retrieve Ashbringer from the battlefield. Im assuming Tirion is going to die in battle. How else could you picture him dying other than in a blaze of glory trying to stop the legion.

[@intrepidmilotic5999]

I really Hope Illidan,Malfurion,Tyrande,Maiev will be center stage, its essentially their expansion and time for the Kaldorei to kick some ass again, all the other heroes that are on the website are less related to the story, except Khadgar and Guldan ofc.

[@sushiknightsu492]

I hope so too ^.^.

[@TVUsedToBeGood]

Thanks for the video Nobbel, I thoroughly enjoy the content you put out. As long as you keep making videos, I'll keep watching them!

[@Lorbeary]

again, you did a great job collecting all those lore informations! I really like your videos and storytelling. thank you!

[@christopherduncan803]

I love the fel reaver sound. chilling

[@MrFrete-mi9yf]

NO FELL REAVER, NOOOOO!!!

[@idunnomane]

SoulHunterOG Fel*

[@frostyprime8110]

You can hear one in the trailer

[@KitAshuri]

SoulHunterOG Actually, there was the Fel Reaver in the current WoD expansion. It's in the latest raid as the second boss "Iron Reaver." It was just renamed but it's practically the same thing.

[@MrFrete-mi9yf]

KitAshuri wasn't the same, iron reaver is of the orcish origin, fel reaver was of the demonic origin, plus people didn't know it was there

[@TheWormholeGuy]

SoulHunterOG It's basically an Iron Reaver with Fel sh*t -_-

[@Tswybagg]

I really hope the legendaries only look legendary to yourself, i'd be so dumb to see every paladin walking around with the ashbringer. I hope for something like the followers in WoD, where they look like just an average npc for everyone but you.

[@pinup_charmer3348]

Yes! I was thinking this also. I loved how the world was centered around you in WoD and only you had the named follower while your mates had a peon. It makes sense to do the weapons this way too!

[@AvazeGorgha]

Wonderful work Mr. Nobbel. Considering the time you had for making this, you have done an amazing job with this video. Keep up the good work

[@ZitkyAdams]

I love listening to these videos while I play wow. It's very pleasing to see that Nobbel got so popular and gets more views than before. At first I found the accent a bit odd, but now I really dig it :D I'm very happy your doing so good on youtube man, it took a lot of work all these videos.... script writing, editing, recording for hours, finding references and doing research... It's nice to see that so much work gets recognised. I love warcraft's lore and you did an amazing job. Hope your channel keeps on growing. And thank you so much man. Keep being awesome! :)

[@Bozzoltank]

A idea for a Mythic Emerald Dream final boss mount, a old god corrupted green dragon!

[@Bozzoltank]

*Emerald Nightmare*

[@leonardovieiraperes8527]

that seems cool

[@Crisis_Brew]

Liam Manten I'd rather fight N'zoth :^)

[@Bozzoltank]

Thanks :D

[@lolosh99]

You want to ride ysera ?

[@Urg4nm0m]

So is Valhalla VS Helheim, and Azeroth is Midgard during Ragnarǫk.

[@Lemmy_Kilturtle]

John Doe Surtr and Freyr fighting while the world burns would be us fighting Sargeras while the world burns around us. It's funny how a lot of fantasy stories derive from Norse mythology. Like the dwarves in The Hobbit are literally named in the Edda texts.

[@Urg4nm0m]

RileyRivalle2 more like Giano Roman two faced god

[@Urg4nm0m]

RPGnFPSHDgameplay I know right? for every long lost pagan religion is always better the Monotheistic religion we have now. what can you take from one that just tells you to Obey the rolls? better all the rest that say that you can make your own destiny in life.

[@Lemmy_Kilturtle]

John Doe Technically you can't decide your own fate according to the Norse beliefs, because the Norns have already woven the fates of all mortals.

[@Lemmy_Kilturtle]

John Doe Oh and then there's Tyr, also literally from Norse mythology. Tyr got his hand bitten off by Fenrir. Note that Tyr's hand is a Scarlet Crusade / Brotherhood of the Light city in the Eastern Plaguelands. Chances are Tyr is going to show up in the next expansion like Nobbel said, as one of the Titan Keepers.

[@Ys-hu8od]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a single shit about raids and stuff and just plays WoW for the story itself?

[@Malicos]

+Fluffo De Raccoon You realize most of the story is in the "raids and stuff"?

[@Ys-hu8od]

Ja Me True but when you do the dungeon/raid once or twice its fun after that it gets repetitive and annoying.

[@xxJOHNLIKESPIExx]

+Fluffo De Raccoon no you are not

[@idar3703]

+Fluffo De Raccoon The worgen story is awesome! :D

[@randomfilms5220]

yeah LORE FTW!!!!!!!

[@xDirtyDutchi]

I have watched this trailer for the 5th time, still gives me goosebumps. I'm so thrilled! Lore wise, and for the content too!

[@fre4kz]

Is this the sequel of "The Story of Warcraft - Full Version [Lore]" :-) ? Really like your videos! Great job!

[@Krackalackamore]

Here I am waiting for warcraft 4

[@Krackalackamore]

I know it wont. But man warcraft 3 that was what i did as a kid along with diablo 2. Its hard to let stuff go

[@Sumpterous]

+Krikalan .manivannan I swear they said something along the lines of when they fully finish star craft 2 they will work on warcraft 4.. Though who knows when they will fully finish it.

[@ДимоНеделчев-о8ь]

+Krikalan .manivannan starcraft 3 and world of starcraft incoming :D

[@kapbab751]

+Krikalan .manivannan you and me both

[@kapbab751]

Even if it does come, its not going to be as good. Its going to have this E-Sport Cheese to it that has become so prominent ever since Activision bought Blizzard out. The quality, and longetivity of the game will not be like that of WC3. Sad. On the other hand, think of those cut scenes in SC2 - now THAT I would LOVE to see in the WC universe ...notably WC4 in between missions.

[@Kryptic712]

they removed dalaran from hillsbrad to northrend... so will they move dala to broken isles? and if so, what happens to northrend?

[@Havenscythe]

Blake Place O_O no northren main city? I don't think they thought that through lol

[@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м]

+Blake Place Gameplay-wise, the whole setting of Northrend takes place back in time, and thus hasn't changed, you can still see Arthas, the Scourge, uncorrupted Dragonblight and intact Wyrmrest Temple, and, of course, Dalaran floating above Crystalsong Forest. Then you character moved on after the war to fight against Deathwing, on main continents, etc. So, unless they'll do a total rework of Northrend like they did to Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor - no, WotLK Dalaran isn't going anywhere. Lore-wise, Dalaran departed Northrend during the events of Pandaria Campaign. Then the whole Divine Bell story took place while it was mid-flight (hence why there's no Crystalsong below, when the Horde character escapes city by jumping off the sewer exit) and after that Horde was denied entrance to the city. And then the Legion happens and Dalaran flies to Broken Isles to assist in the war effort.

[@Kryptic712]

Владислав Шаклеин if you notice... they have the death of the lich king in the middle. we have pandaren in dalaran now. we are still fighting the scourge in dalaran. jaina isn't there anymore etc etc

[@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м]

(sigh) You've kinda missing both sentences starting with "Lore-wise" and "Gameplay-wise". Lore is not always going to support the gameplay, which is a core of the game.

[@Kryptic712]

so you retract your statement?

[@Damingo54]

Was hoping for a ranged demon hunter. Not a fan of another energy using mele class.

[@jordino60]

Damingo54 That makes no sense why they would make Demon Hunters Ranged Illidan has always used Melee weapons.

[@OnlyDeathIsEternal]

jordino60 Because Illiidan is also a powerful magic user, not just a meele fighter.

[@NovaTheReaper]

Damingo54 Might've been cool if they had a ranged spec that was more focused on magic where they could throw their glaives or something as a filler. Glaive throwing isn't exactly new to Warcraft, after all.

[@Dragonelis]

jordino60 Demon hunters had ranged attack in WC3 in metamorphosis form.

[@Damingo54]

Dont have any memory of that at all. They said a highly mobile mele class. Not ranged

[@kylesanderman9202]

I never knew about Nobble until preacher and ghosty wouldnt shut up about him on every drama time lmao. needless to say i love your videos and you are very very educational :) keep it up!

[@theodoradanielacapat298]

I have always loved the story line behind this world but I never have time to play this game... So happy you are doing this. Really appreciate it!

[@khorne133]

If we are too weak to fight Sargeras, what if we ended up getting help from the old gods?

[@rahuldhage3015]

no.Lich king returns^^

[@khorne133]

And getting help from the scourge!? Some peoples heads would explode.

[@djeulogy]

Hey i wouldn't mind a second death knight storyline with someone offing Bolvar and taking his place and trashing shit Lol

[@rahuldhage3015]

+William Riley yqhahahahhahah well said

[@josefstalin2381]

i hope muradin awakens again...

[@Bloodngvts]

blizzard needs the change their subscription to $10

[@thunderzfury7633]

Pevla Random much?

[@idunnomane]

Thunderz Fury What do you mean with random?

[@thunderzfury7633]

ZILLENthis vid is about lore dude is talking about sub price /:

[@donaldreed1607]

Dear Nobbel, great job with your videos, love them all, keep up the good work for us lore junkies

[@konstantine6064]

really hyped about the new expansion. Thanks for awesome vid again. Hope Wrathion shows up. In fact as you mentioned before at some point, he was way too much afraid of the legion that he might helps them to actually come, which kinds happened by letting Gul'dan escape.

[@majomkenyerfa]

This Game Needs BoB Ross To Draw Some Good Looking Trees...

[@namahshrestha3226]

hahahahahahaha

[@jimmylavaroni9658]

Um ahem Nobbel shamans get doom hammer and you said thrall died but what about the doom hammer in draenor.... N00b

[@Nobbel87]

Jimmy Lavaroni *Ahem* *ahem* I didn't say Thrall died and the doom hammer in Draenor shouldn't have the Frostwolf symbol on it... lol n00b no scope ;)

[@Aryan-gp7sh]

Nobbel87 king nobbel speaks

[@hunter9188]

Nobbel87 Why is acherus the dk starting zone on the broken isle map?

[@dagorren]

Nobbel87 Well Thrall could have taken the second doomhammer with him to azerorth and add a wolf symbol :)

[@Curllube]

Jimmy Lavaroni Lol rekt by Nobbel

[@bahcacatule]

why is this a wow expansion and not warcraft IV ?...

[@cmchanner]

+bolog Cos blizzard want to get one last bag of cash from subscribers. Unless they can maintain their sub increase when the expansion comes out with good content

[@bahcacatule]

+cmchanner so whats left for warcraft IV :) cant imagine what else they can pull off in regards to a continuation of the story

[@cmchanner]

bolog Well.. Sargeras probably isnt the last boss of this expansion, even though this is infact a burning legion expansion. So if this is the last expansion, and warcraft IV comes next, we can finally kill him there. But that would be yet ANOTHER legion based warcraft mission. So we probably wont kill him there..lol. Pretty much every major villian is dead. Kel'Thuzad in vanilla, illidan in BC, Arthas in wrath, and deathwing in cata. So yeah, idk dude. But chris metzen did say that they have expansions planned along the line, so we just gotta wait and see whats next. Probably south seas or something next. idk

[@thakschalakdestroyerofworl1279]

I'm not sure if you are on Wowhead all that much, but I recently saw an updated model of Bolvar. I watched some speculation videos on what his role might be if he came back to Legion, judging by the fact that he has an updated model... that just kind of further supports this idea. Some speculations were that he would play a role in Azeroth's all out war against the legion, when we needed more effort, he would send in his army of the damned to aid us. It may be a little far fetched considering Ner'Zhul could still be attached to the Helm of Domination, it's just a matter of who has a stronger will Bolvar or Ner'Zhul fighting for control. A more realistic take would definitely be seeing him when the death knights work to obtain their artifact weapons, which I really don't know anything about the quest lines yet. I would just like to know or see a video on what you think about Bolvar's potential role in Legion will be. Thanks, happy thanksgiving!

[@davew1489]

The ship dungeon just gives me a shadow temple feeling from OOT. That part where you're on the ghost ship.

[@catnium]

wow the game where legendary's are common and where ppl leveling in commons are legendary (ironman) go figure

[@SpaceMarshalPhobos]

hey nobbel! My Gf whispered you in game! but i thought you came from belgium or holland! D:

[@Nobbel87]

John Hancock I do, but easier to reply in english ;)

[@zenorus3526]

Nobbel87 When in WoW, always be English :D

[@EQOAnostalgia]

John Hancock Hey everybody... i'm from Holland... isn't zat veird!?

[@arntingegerhardsen2792]

EQOAnostalgia yes it is, and it is cool

[@caboose.20]

he's from the Netherlands yes

[@Fallout700]

The lore was not prepared. Overused meme is overused and I'm sorry.

[@greenereye]

Nobbel! Regarding how the Nether transcends all realities, I came to think of an old line that Prince Malchaezaar drops when you fight him in Karazhan. "All realities, all dimensions are open to me!" It did seem pretty spontaneous when the devs just confirmed it via Twitter during WoD, but perhaps it could have been in the works ever since BC, since Prince's quote seems to suggest exactly what they are saying now. Love your videos, keep up the great work! :)

[@thechileface5045]

Nobbel, just wanted to say you have a great channel and I appreciate all the hard work and effort you put into your content. I am a new player to WoW, I have been playing for a few months now and all your videos have really got me up to speed on everything I've missed. I have been having a ton of fun playing and with my new found understanding of the rich lore of Warcraft, you have added a lot of significance to that gameplay making it an even more enjoyable experience. Your channel has been the easiest to understand and my far the most informative. With the announcement of legion your videos have been a blessing, now i'll be able to go into this expansion as if i'd been here all along and I thank you for that.

[@zacharykoviack3562]

I'm excited ass fuck lol last two expansions have been a disappointment so hopefully they have learned from there expansions to make a better one

[@Joshy...]

This aged like milk

[@IndzoTebra]

I think Blizzard should make a new WoW from beggining with new better engine and graphics! Thats the only thing that could save them, at least its my opinion. And people who say graphics bla bla this bla bla that, youre wrong man, graphics add to the enviroment and ambience and just the feel off it, and better physics better animations, more stuff that can be added now since new gen... It just can be much more than it is, because these graphics this engine is holding it back.

[@thunderzfury7633]

Indzo Tebra not really good for them the current wow graphics! brings more players with potato pc's

[@hanhanson103]

Indzo Tebra one of blizzards stengths is that they make games that most anybody can play regardless of pc specs. Your idea will pretty much throw away one of their few remaining strengths to appease graphics whores who aren't even playing this game anyway. I do agree with you with a WoW 2.0 though. If only to remove the Horde - Alliance rivalry and form them into one faction, perhaps with a "Horde" leader and "Alliance" leader, with a neutral party (khadgar?) stepping in as a tie breaker should the two leaders disagree on something. At this point in the story, theres hardly any sense in having 2 different factions. Even less sense if you play on a pve server. It pretty much feels like your excluded from chatting with half the playerbase.

[@Resi1ience]

Actually, that is a good idea. Perhaps a part in which time is imploded by ____ and a new reality begins?

[@IndzoTebra]

Yea i tuought about how they could continiu the story and i thought simple, they dont have to change anything, atleast with the races and stuff, but only the world, they can make it that sargeras invaded azeroth and conquered it and the races of azeroth fled to another world, just like dranei who are fleing the legion long before, it would be a interesting last current wow dlc and a good intro to a new wow and a new story. Just some of my thoughts :-)

[@Lev_cs]

I liked old graphics tbh

[@iGizmoTech]

WOW IS DEAD

[@itztehendd]

iGizmoTech And yet it's still the most popular MMO around, GG.

[@Sniperkitten971]

iGizmoTech WoW is kill

[@Sniperkitten971]

itztehendd Because competitors suck sadly.

[@EduardoxPais]

iGizmoTech Quiet.

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

Pls dont take him seriously, wow is dead is one of the most popular wow trolls

[@bpwoods97]

16:08 Look at the map on the back wall. Farahlon and that Ogre island are still on the map of Draenor there. I'd guess they've been working on Legion since before WoD was even announced based on that.

[@Haggysack2k8]

0:53 "Hey Nobbel, your videos is too long. You got any other shorter Source for the Lore?" Nobbel: "Sure, you have these two books here, which i'm highly recommending to you." I find your understanding of the word "short" quite... Interesting. EDIT: So that's why i watch your videos instead, even if the Books might be great and wonderful for lore fanatics like me ;D

[@lionkingartoria8213]

Heck yeah!! I can't wait to see what's happened to Jaina and more about Sylvanas as a Warchief. Very excited!! :O

[@ValiaEstri]

Thanks Nobbel! Love your vids! Especially the ones with Nixxiom and Moocluck. :)

[@LightningIgnitor]

am i the only one who gets goosebumps from the smallest things in there i get goosebumps just by hearing khadgar's staff hit the ground and echo

[@CoachCollins93]

Nobbel87, after playing Legion now for a solid 5 days. You're not far off from some of your speculation. However, my favorite part is hearing you get excited about a story line (Anduin specifically) and now knowing what we know now... I can only imagine your excitement! Enjoy this lore packed xpac Nobbel, cant wait to see newer vids.

[@richardm.garciajr.9930]

There is still so much missing pieces of lore from previous expansions that Blizzard could always add it to a later expansion or patch.

[@brandonheath6713]

I've watched every video you've made and I'm starting to realize something... there are hints to the future of World of Warcraft literally everywhere. Maps that contain continents not yet released, the story in Warcraft 3 where Aegwyn seals the Tomb of Sargeras and is a little too obvious about stating that no magic from our world could open it. Pandaren in the Warcraft games. Lore in Uldaman revealing story lines that play out in Ulduar. You get a sense that someone sat down at Blizzard 22 years ago and went "Here is the entire story we're going to spend the next 30 years telling" and then they just stuck to that. You should make a video collecting as much of these instances where elements of the game reveal things that turn out to be the future of the game. I'd love to see a like "What Blizzard Knew The Whole Time" style video showing us just how obviously and just how much Blizzard knew before hand and how intricately all of these seemingly unrelated things like Uldaman, Ulduar, and Uldum really are.

[@merutosan8]

For a moment I thought you were not gonna mention Alleria and Turalyon, but you did at the very last!! I literally screamed when it was announced that they were coming back!! :') Gonna re-read War of the Ancients trilogy and Stormrage books for the expansion xD

[@SuperNuclearHamster]

15:45 I notice they have Dalaran there but if you look off to the right a bit, it looks like Acherus is also moving into position to provide support, its cool that they are doing more than just making a single hub city and having an area for death knights as well.

[@jakkscoffeebreak]

so, i have a theory as to why we can now ALL have legendaries, a well as why it seems like we're going back and reliving events that have already happened, in almost the exact same way they happened the first time with small differences. i think that when the bronze dragonflight lost their powers they also lost the ability to keep things working in a logical chronological order, and to keep us from universe hopping. or for things from alternate universes to appear in ours. perhaps we're not all getting just one thrall's doomhammer, but we're getting them from every thrall who has lost or died in any possible alternate universe. its also possible that the only way the legion will be stopped is if the titans re-bestow the aspect powers upon the dragons. just a thought though.

[@MrChemicalDisaster]

A few questions in my mind, that you might know or speculate about: 1: Archimonde is dead dead or just reset again?: In mythic they/we kill him in the Twisting Nether right? so he's totally dead now? Right? 2: Is Khadgar the Guardian?: I know that you don't actually know this, but is it possible by anyone to research more on this? It's getting ridecoulous. 3: Has Illidan's spirit spent the years since TBC caught in his body, Caught in the Twisting Nether or someplace completely different(Hell/heaven?)? 4: Artifact Weapons: How many main characters have to bite the bullet/loose hope to fulfill the current announced Artifacts?: we have Doomhammer and Ashbringer which are both worn by current heroes, but what about the Windrunner bow? Is that worn by Sylvanas? Are there any other obvious artifacts? Warrior weapons from either Varian, Magni, Baine? Rogue weapons from Valera? Felo'melorn: When was this last seen? Kael'thas fought with it against Arthas during the run for Icecrown right? But was it seen at Tempest Keep or in the dungeon on Treasure Island?

[@SkyColossus]

They are finally bringing some new and exciting content. Personally I can't stop thinking about Tomb of Sargeras, which was last seen in WC3, how it is gonna look and how they have presented it. I know people have been waiting on the Emerald Dream and Nightmare, but I don't share that interest, yet I am excited. Thank you for the lore explanation, it explained a lot how the things are connected.

[@Toadiferous]

One thing that I know we can undoubtedly look forward to is the story progression. The issue was Draenor is that nothing that happened there really meant anything to me. -Our- story didn't really progress. I'm just happy to see that Azeroth will actually be subject to world changes now, if that makes any sense.

[@InfusionTheory]

Nobbel your "Hello Everyone!" is by far the most iconic and friendliest greeting on youtube. I just like it lol Awesome!

[@WesDaaman]

Warlords of Draenor felt like a setup to Legion. This is pretty awesome!

[@DurendilLeHunt]

Hey, great job on the legion lore. But just in case you hadn't seen it yet, there is a great (3 minutes short) video that adresses lore questions called legion sneak preview by SlightlyImpressive. It will make your day (and remake it if you had seen it already :)). Love the videos.

[@hoovehead3967]

Nice job. Amazing you did it so quickly!

[@NO-ib1je]

As far as I understand from playing Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, Gul'dan raised the islands to look for the Eye of Sargaras. The creatures that inhibited the place (other than demons within the tomb) were the Naga who were once Elves.

[@ursidae8619]

I am more curious about the new Elven Race being added to the lore. It sounds like a Dark Elf race and a permanent evil faction being introduced which I find very cool.

[@giusepper6745]

Hey Nobbel! Love the videos. You should do some lore videos of all the classes and the significance of the artifact weapons so we better understand our class in Legion with our class garrison things. Thanks!

[@nancyboygames6673]

it seems like they mixed a whole bunch of ideas together and it works (hopefully) I'm excited for sure

[@reality....]

great lore video as always Nobbel! :)

[@Aj9Livess]

From the story side of things it's looking amazing. I try not to get too hyped but I'm thrilled about my predictions about alleria and turalyon coming back due to Gul'dan gettin blasted has got me thrilled. Also, who doesn't love Illidan? We've been wanting him for years :D

[@skulltown3131]

I love how you and preach team up now good shit :]

[@ericpettit7314]

I really can't wait for it thank you for showing us what's probably going to happen:)

[@garvisben]

Nobbel you should make your lore also available in like an audiobook style, I'd love to be able to listen to lore while I'm working or traveling

[@jordran]

Words cannot describe how hyped I am, thanks Blizz.

[@MrRotzilla]

Inb4 a portal to the Twisting Nether opens up and Broxigar is back kicking ass and taking names.

[@VikB1288]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but you can actually transmog your Artifact Weapon to something else. So you can still have a unique look for your transmog.

[@Zonyxe]

I might be wrong, but my theory on Illidan being alive and imprisoned, was after we beat him in Black Temple in TBC, Maeiv didn't know what to do now that her hunt was over. And after we left, she either found out he wasn't dead, or she resurrected him. She then transported him to the Vault of the Wardens again, to satisfy her strange need to keep him locked up. And maybe she got corrupted/went mad (becoming a boss in Legion). And then comes Gul'dan and releases him again in the cinematic. Again, i might've overlooked something, it just seems plausible in my mind.

[@123Sunwell]

I got a question. The broken isles were raised up by Gul'dan over 20 years ago. Before that it was sunken for 10,000 years. How are those inhabitants still alive? How is the terrain still so beautiful and not influence by the ocean? Especially Suramar, it's still a ruin when Maiev went there in WarCraft 3.

[@darkknight9346]

magic

[@Gamespud94]

+Ascalon the simple explanation is that the entire island chain wasn't sunk only the tomb of sargeras was sunk by aegwynn, guldan came and raised the tomb of sargeras and when maiev mentioned suramar she simply meant this was part of suramar which by the looks of it is a pretty big city which extends beyond the zone named suramar based on the bridge thing heading towards the broken shore.

[@bossfight1]

I'm just hoping there's SOMETHING that bridges the narrative between Warlords and Legion. But I do have some theories as to how things lead to this... Firstly, I was confused as to how Gul'dan found out about our timeline; he said he'd been making inquiries, so he probably had some spies in the Shadow Council sniffing around the Horde and Alliance bases. Maybe Cordana Felsong, who was beguiled by him, filled him in later on? As for how he gets to present-day Azeroth, the short story Hellscream, which tells the story of how Garrosh first convinced Grommash to start the Iron Horde, features a shard of the Vision of Time, which has traces of temporal magic. I think the Iron Horde used that shard to focus their Dark Portal on our Azeroth, and used Gul'dan to keep that portal open; maybe Gul'dan managed to snag that shard and use it to come to present day Azeroth. My only remaining question, though, is this - the Legion that invades Azeroth is probably the one from Draenor, but what about the Legion from our timeline? Will they have a role to play?

[@Theturtleowl]

That Sound of music picture really did it. Hilarious!

[@ryangrubb5506]

"The true cost of peace and whether he's willing to pay it." In the Legion cinematic, Varian says, "I know believe peace is the noblest of aspects. But to preserve it, you must fight!" From this, I get that Anduin will learn you must fight to keep peace, and he goes from a Priest to Paladin, as well as maybe taking his father's throne as King of Strormwind after his father's demise. Just what I think.

[@linkinlol20]

finally illidan storm-rage has come back and the legendary weapons also. im so excited for this expansion

[@Irregularblob]

I love the cinematics of khadgar. They referenced Warcraft 3's warning so much. Except they showed that this world has learned from its mistakes and the Varian accepts his news.