The story so far ❤️

Before we begin, let's deal with some history first..... what's your verdict ? ( Another KZbin glitch, no subtitle I am afraid 😓 )

[@georgianasalter]

After having Nigel and the cord was still attached, when he tried to nurse right away, she pulled him away quickly and Nora cried. I've never heard an adult female cry like that. Like they were in pain. Something is very wrong w poor Nora.

[@christopherfranklin4760]

If there is one thing you can count on, it is that Nature will run its course. Humans should stay away and not try to interject themselves into the life of monkeys, or any other wild animals actually. That is not to say you shouldn't have feelings for them, but they have been around for literally millions of years. They have survived quite well.

[@bratt6902]

Thank you Arroz, love the work you do , looking forward to the next episode.!

[@ceciliaSF-TX]

Nora lost 2 of her last 6 babies, both were healthy babies. And each new baby rolls the dice on their survival. Sad.

[@faithhannah2280]

Yesssss 😢😢

[@shannonspage9360]

But that’s how it always works in wild environments. The monkeys on this channel have a higher than typical survival rate than is seen in strictly wild troops. The monkey troops on this channel have a diet heavily supplemented by human handouts, which artificially increases their rate of survival. In wild troops on any given year the rate of survival of infant monkeys can range from 30-70% depending on environmental conditions and availability of resources in that year.

[@rosiedepetro8674]

Thank you so much AM. Really enjoyed tonight's video. You definitely out did yourself Sir. God bless

[@loranelson6359]

He seems to be an amazing man.

[@ikemduri6945]

@@loranelson6359 Aq2

[@ikemduri6945]

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[@Danceswithfishes]

I think the babies that do well (with Nora) are the ones who are quieter. Nora seems to be irritated by the noise, and demands (which is sad because that is what babies are like). I don't hate her but I wish she would get tattooed, along with Gypsy and Tina 😒 BTW, Tina just had a large baby. I hope she will be able to feed her properly. Life is not kind for those at the bottom of the ladder 😥

[@faithhannah2280]

Yes me too she's pissing me off

[@jerimiller5651]

What does Tatooed mean?

[@kathieholland4176]

@@jerimiller5651 they put a mark on them to show what kind of problems she has. That way the professionals can at least assess the problem and not take it out on her for being the way she is. We don't have monkey psychologist and no one has the resources to single out one monkey when there are so many that probably have the same problems. This gentleman just happened to come across her and took the time to watch over the years. Maybe if humans could find their own problems out maybe we could figure out other animals problems. That's in that perfect world we don't have.

[@jtzoltan]

@@kathieholland4176 I didn't know it would be for multiple reasons. I just know that some gov of Hong Kong animal control people will tatoo the monkey on the chest when they do a procedure to sterilize them (for population control purposes).

[@sheyleendarling1651]

that is NOT why they are tattooed. they get a tattoo to show they HAVE been sterilized. that is the ONLY thing it means. it has nothing to do with telling professionals what kind of problems a certain monkey has! just an fyi

[@picketfence2028]

Temperament. Nora seems to manage better with an easy or slow to warm baby as they don't cry as much. However, once a baby gets rreally hungry of course they will cry in protest. Nora is not tolerant of a needy baby. It could also be timing for the newborn. Once they get to a certain level of stress it does not go well for them. With Nora as it is her way or the highway. Once her babies get teeth and are able to feed themselves they are much better off. Thank you for this detailed assessment of Nora, I feel I understand her better now. ♡

[@lagatha1037]

If Nora’s offspring aren’t strong enough to hold on and strong enough to find her teats, they die. She has better things to do than care for a weak one.

[@belindamartinez8441]

Like what?? Climb a tree 🙄

[@lagatha1037]

@@belindamartinez8441 As far as Nora is concerned, anything is a reason.

[@Danceswithfishes]

Her offspring were healthy, but a newborn cannot fight a mum who bites them, blocks them, hangs them around her neck like a scarf, and drags over the ground. It's Nora who has a problem, not her babies. Better things than raising her offspring? Like what? Is she going to night school or something?🤔

[@lagatha1037]

@@Danceswithfishes Nora obviously can’t be bothered by her offspring. She reminds me of some of the women at Walmart.

[@alexmartin3143]

Like what? Flinging poop and begging for food? I know you were trying to be clever and edgy but it’s just kinda sad…

[@retamckeehan4935]

I just now found the new channel, AM! I wonder what happened to change Nora so drastically. Postpartum depression would seem to answer the question. Her poor babies though! I had forgotten how hard it was to watch Nora's brand of child care.

[@cprinz100]

Can not wait Arroz, thank you for all your work. Few things invade the heart like Monkey Hill. This is formerly Cinda.

[@ickiedeer-lamb7282]

Lol yeah Ontirio Conida. Lol

[@gloriazugarazo4361]

Thank you AM. It was interesting to see all babies Nora has had during the last few years all in one video. And her different behaviour with each one of them. Just amazing. 👍🏼

[@drobinson2525]

😅

[@kerrybennett3337]

I believe that some of these mothers get post partum

[@kimberlygarrish205]

I could be wrong but it seems to me that Nora experienced, and probably for the first time, post pardon depression with Cessa. Nan was trying to stop Nora from dragging the baby but what could Nan really do? Nothing because Nora is the matriarch. Nora didn't want the baby touching her but she didn't want Nan touching the baby. It seems as though Nora's mind was conflicted. And then each baby after got worse after Cessa. I see a lot of people are saying her nipples were sensitive. That could be but I don't believe they are so sensitive that she would treat her babies like she does. A Rhesus Macaque's nipples stretch pretty far so I cannot see that being a factor. And because of her depression, a baby that fought her or cried too much was treated badly because of the conflict within Nora. So, when she finally started feeling more herself, it was 3-4 weeks after giving birth. I have a suspicion that Cessa died from a fall with how Nora carried her so carelessly or when she was up in a tree with Cessa. Just look at Nick on that tree limb. He could have fallen at any moment because Nora was not holding on to him.

[@nunya3202]

Nan’s gentle presence is likely how many of Nora’s babies even survived! Nora is one of maybe 3 females I wish would get tattooed! I had to fast forward thru much of her “mothering” 😢 Those sad little baby chirps just break my heart.

[@bornontherimofchaos]

Gypsy included??

[@nunya3202]

@@bornontherimofchaos yes! And Tina. I don’t hate any of these moms; just the behavior. I don’t think it’s born out of any fault on their part; maybe just environment or a physical or mental defect. And the surviving babies of all 3 are resilient, strong, independent. We’ll see down the road if any of those female babies take after their moms, but I hope they break the cycle.

[@Emzzz78]

It’s all nature. Either their babies weren’t tough enough to make it, which is more likely the case, or the mom just didn’t care. Highly unlikely. We really shouldn’t judge. Imagine being in their place.

[@bornontherimofchaos]

@@nunya3202 yes, most definitely. I love little Teeny. I'm rooting for her, especially.

[@ceciliaSF-TX]

@@Emzzz78 Arroz spent an hour showing how Nora started as a loving mum to Vince and then stopped being that attentive, patient loving mum. She barely fed them and wasn’t too interested in them. The babies were healthy, nothing wrong with them. It’s an interesting insight w/o an answer cuz they are monkeys.

[@dsmrtgrl]

Postpartum is real in primates! I honestly think that is Nora’s issue.

[@taraleemoore5199]

You obviously have never experienced it. It does not make a mother abuse her baby! Im a mother of 6 happy healthy thriving adults! 5 girls & our 1 boy. I suffered postpartum with 4. Each was different in severity and length but never did I have any feeling of dismay of my baby.... I felt the opposite I needed to be with that baby 24/7 and I wouldn't allow anyone else in my baby even dad... It was like I was the only person that can keep my baby alive. I got through it. If any women have feelings of hurting yourself or baby there's help for you... A good mother is one that can admit her mistakes and faults. No judgement. Those women that do, it's caused by something completely different! Don't allow horrible evil mother's grab into that which is a true medical &:emotional condition as an excuse to be cruel & murderous!!!

[@coldcut9568]

@@taraleemoore5199 you said it yourself each one was different so that also means each person is different.

[@rossmcdoogle7443]

@@taraleemoore5199 do you not understand that you and all your offspring is are And always will be HUMAN, so just because they share somethings with us like thumbs and eyes in front but here is the real reason I am posting this, thinking any kind of human emotions and behavior and or whatever else humans do feel and experience is fastly different from a god damn wild animals and the issues with that your making this idea that animals like monkeys are intact humans and can speak feel thibk and do just about everything we do and feel and think but your so far from wrong it’s saaaadddddd

[@pagingdrgoogle3501]

@@taraleemoore5199 Postpartum depression doesn’t make a mother abuse her children? What about Andrea Yates?? How ignorant are you???

[@BookNerd1102]

@@taraleemoore5199 I have experienced postpartum, and maybe postpartum presents differently in wild primates. Anxiety, anger, guilt and irritability are some symptoms of postpartum depression, too. Nora seems to be displaying some of these traits. At any rate, I am glad she eventually comes around to care for her baby.

[@faithhannah2280]

Nora is starting to piss me off how can you treat a precious baby like that 🤬🤬

[@lagatha1037]

Nothing precious about macaques.

[@vg7735]

I hope Nora's 2022 baby makes it. It is surprising any of them made it after Vince.

[@Mannygfreshdadef]

It just died unfortunately.

[@Danceswithfishes]

Nora starved it to death. 😥

[@julieherring7749]

She doesn’t want it ...period.

[@tsetsgeebanzragch885]

Thank you , Arroz ! You are the best Rhesus Monkey lover!

[@kellywilkins9704]

Nora's surviving babies will likely share some psychological traits that helped them to survive despite their mother's condition. They are all resilient, adaptable, with calm temperaments. A very sensitive, anxious baby wouldn't fare very well with a mom who is susceptible to depression and perhaps mood swings.

[@AjMarti-ry4ep]

What I've learned about these animals is to much contact with people, human food, and the females are getting pregnant faster after every birth.. these poor moms probably have an idea they don't have time for mother baby bonding, moms can't afford to coddle, comfort, and really bond with baby. They probably know they have approximately 1 year to feed, teach, train, baby to survive b4 giving birth again.. I was thinking these babies are not even 6 months old and mom is probably pregnant again...

[@carolynjohnson5386]

I can't stand to see these stories that the mothers are too sorry to feed their babies that is a shame it is so pitiful

[@Amberley_Millwood]

*Nora just does NOT like having babies!!* *It's Soooo nerve racking watching her with a newborn!* 🥺

[@margyduke1136]

I love how you track and document these monkeys lives...thank you! I was wondering if it was post natal depression and I think youre right on that point for sure. All the surviving kids, if nothing else, have a very strong sense of resillience and survival. I wish all the future babies of Nora love and strength❤❤

[@adadifranco1447]

Nora seems to suffer from some traumatic problem back 2017 it made me wonder what happened with cessa though 🤔. Thank you so much for sharing it with us.

[@draperone371]

AM you sure did a lot of work on this video. Thank you bless your heart

[@111FAS]

I just finished watching this video. The quality is so outstanding I thought at times I was watching a fancy show on public television. Wait, this IS on television, isn’t it!? Such professional material/footage/filming/editing/script/music - I’m impressed. I also thought females had babies every other year, I was wrong. Let me quiz myself without cheating. Spelling is probably off, but I’ll give it a shot:1/Vince 2/Cessa (who disappeared) 3/Cessela 4/Nick 5/Nigel and I think 6/ the baby he didn’t name posthumously but I forgot what order it fell into. Nan, she was usually there for Nora. I was so worried we would witness worse abuse than the little bit of dragging that was done to Cessa. Thankfully no one “fell” out of a tree. I simply adored how you briefly showed the other siblings in the background. I like how they stay together. I’ve watched other macaques do much worse to their young, much worse. I’m going to chalk it up as a form of depression as well and say “that’s just how it is in the wild” - I liked how you can obviously tell the way she treated Vince was a one time thing, he got 100% of Nora and the others, only got 80%. She did have beautiful babies, for sure! I really enjoyed watching this and getting caught up to speed by watching the rest. Thank you! Maryland US

[@kellywilkins9704]

I'm only at 17:28, but obviously something is sustaining Cessa - she's alive, alert, and seems active & healthy.

[@sharonb.9128]

Sad video. I’ve read newborn rhesus need to nurse every two hours to survive and not grow weak. Watching Nora all these years, she is inexplicable. Seeing her basically starve her babies to death was painful. I’m fast forwarding through a lot of this. Not sure if you included the time the Alpha male attacked her over what appeared to be the treatment of her baby and it made her furious… and worse. Primatologist don’t use terms like right or wrong, good/bad, but say adaptive and maladaptive behaviors. Adaptive behaviors insure the survival of the species and maladaptive will eventually lead to extinction. Seeing Nora with her babies, especially the one before Nigel, I can’t help but think she has developed maladaptive behaviors somewhere along the way.

[@bbudacious]

I agree. Wish something could have been done before they got killed or die. Heartbreaking

[@jcboom6894]

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[@jcboom6894]

Something has given Nora PTSD about caring for babies. Something horrid must have happened to her to send out chemicals to the brain. She must have had a life or death experience. She sure is not the same good mum.

[@williamclos5516]

Lots of bad macaque mothers seems like the norm

[@sharonb.9128]

@@williamclos5516 depends on who you’re watching. The Cambodian channels routinely interfere in the natural behaviors of the mothers to film more “exciting” content. The 3 or 4 troops followed by AM have just a handful of terrible mothers like Nora, Gypsy and Tina.

[@larrytucker8285]

thanks A.M. for getting more videos out. I think it's pretty obvious the quieter the baby the better chance it has to make it with her, maybe she's tired of having babies , like u said she's like clock work , every year having to give birth. I guess being the matriarch she's under pressure to produce every year. , anyway that's my two cents worth. have a great day A.M.

[@jillian7636]

Cesa with her little peeps- what a beautiful baby! It’s a shame she seems to see them like unwanted cargo instead of her children. Postpartum is real- after the crash c-section of my first child I had some weird and intrusive thoughts. They did resolve themselves when my hormones balanced out. Once I accepted that I hadn’t failed bc my birth plan went off the rails things got better.

[@nikkieldridge6208]

They just need to tie Nora's tubes or "fix" her. She shouldn't be allowed any more babies. She isn't a good mom at all.

[@Emzzz78]

Who are you to dictate what happens to a wild animal that isn’t hurting you or anyone else? Don’t advocate for sterilization. It messes up the females worse than babies. It makes them worse.

[@lagatha1037]

Monkey moms do what they do. It isn’t our job to judge. They have no morality.

[@faithhannah2280]

My heart broke the way she was dragging her baby I just wanted to go and get her and hug her tight 🥰🥰

[@franksckup6705]

You know it’s funny but maybe that’s all she needs !!!!! Nora could be starved for affection and a hug could be exactly what the doctor ordered !!!

[@gaylawheat]

They do drag to start them learning to walk she wasn’t as bad as others but your right with depression loosing the one high was a kidnapper and kept her baby to sell

[@cracker1262]

I feel bad for Nora ,I do think she is a kind loving mother and I do agree with your verdict of a mental/ hormonal imbalance and as you stated not much of anything can be done about that as far as the babies surviving I do believe that gentle perseverance is strength.as you well know nature has it ways of letting the strong survive! Thank you again for bringing Monkey Hill to me

[@johnmarsh6865]

Good evening A.M. I do believe that when Nora lost Cessa, it left Nora with some psychological scars, as well as the physical & emotional scars. Celessa turned out to be a bully, whereas Nigel being easy going, just adjusted to Nora's changing moods. After a birth, it just takes time for Nora's brain to adjust to motherhood, for her hormones to kick in. Nora will probably always be like that now, due to losing Cessa. Her children will develop into their own personalities. Only time will tell. Thank you for this in depth incite into Nora & her babies A.M.! I look forward to next weeks video. Take care & catch me later

[@kimmieb8376]

The calmer the baby, the more she loves it. But poor Nick had the worst time. But he was a little fighter and just wanted to survive.

[@faithhannah2280]

🙏❤️🙏

[@karenf.3566]

Thank you AM for the wonderful video. I wait for your videos because they are always so good and informative.

[@vickirichardson2705]

Hi monkey hill friends! Looking forward to watching the 🐒! Holy moly that mango Nora had was like 3x the size of what we get here in Montana! I was wondering if she had post partum depression. Poor girl I didn't know that primates could get that but it does make sense. I had it really bad after my 2nd baby was born. I didn't take it out on her tho just my husband lol

[@POKIEPPIE]

She is one of the most beautiful babies I've seen.

[@janeansr12]

I really enjoy watching your videos and am so glad I came across them. I would prefer to hear the natural sounds of the baby monkeys instead of music when there is a stressful situation going on. Thank you for the videos.

[@christasantoni7121]

No doubt about it…Nora should have been sterilized after Cessa. I don’t know if it’s her predisposition as troop leader that overrides her maternal instinct but its a shame she keeps having babies that she has no interest or natural ability to care for. Especially heartbreaking that there are other young female monkeys who have been sterilized, but are desperately longing for a baby to care for…. while they watch Nora abusing hers.

[@smc130]

I don’t think Nora wanted Cessa. She didn’t cuddle and nurture her like she did with Vince. Interesting.

[@donnadees1971]

I tenderly remember ally and her little boy, taken away but so sweet.

[@runedharma22]

In Cambodia there was a monkey named Roxy. She walked off and abandoned her baby. The VOs rescued it and gave it back to her. She climbed a tree and let it drop. Then she went down to pick it up. She climbed up the tree again and then threw it off the tree. It perished. Nature is weird.

[@pitbull1026]

I believe that had something to do with Rosy giving birth to a LT and not another PT. She normally is a good mother. A good number of pregnancies result from rape. Her last baby was born PT like herself. I'm actually surprised that there are not a lot of mixed babies. There are pretty much both LT and PT in every troop. Rosy was also injured shortly before giving birth. She had a long gash on her face and cheek.

[@bccradventures84]

That was Rozy . It took three drops to kill the baby. People think it was because it was a hybrid.

[@lagatha1037]

@@bccradventures84 She didn’t like that longtailed offspring

[@nancytestani1470]

Yeah, I watched that, it was wtf am I watching, totally wanted to kill the baby, so weird, she did have a huge gash along the side of her face, but anyway, pure infanticide.

[@runedharma22]

The VOs created a drama story. Rozy abandoned the baby at birth. They rescued the baby, gave it milk and kept it alive. They put it on Rozys back and she proceeded to climb up s tree and throw it to the ground. But she actually went back and picked it up and threw it out of the tree again. It did look like she tried to nurse it but then punished it. They should have let it die. But I do know it was a very painful birth for her. She didn't want it.

[@Alaska2blessed719]

I made it so happy to make my first comment on the new channel and I must again give you your flowers 💐and say thank you AM for all the hard work you put in for us and giving us great content of our favorite monkeys of Monkey Hill I am so excited for the new babies of 2022!!!! Wishing you and your family many blessings AM and a hope all is well thank you again!!!!!!🙏🥰😍 And to the comment section everyone stay safe and be blessed always.....🙏🥰

[@Dez.Grixis]

I'm a little late to this new channel but do you know what happened to the old 1? I don't get the free time to catch up often and went to do so and couldn't find it.

[@elftwinks]

Nan IS Nora's mother and Norma who is older than nora. Nan disciplined nora up in a tree,by tugging at her head and ears, because she was hanging baby round her neck etc. Could see nan got peed off. Celessa however was very persistent in having milk and nora gave it her too. Way to go celessa, show mama who's boss. Cessa was so precious and pretty, bless her.

[@GGdmk]

I know that Macaques are the subjects of physical and mental studies due to their similarities with humans. That said, I wonder if Nora isn’t a wee bit Autistic or on the spectrum. My theory being that Nora may be hypersensitive to certain sights, smells, or sensations that she experiences when her babies are newborn infants. She seems to possess maternal instincts, but she reacts in a very awkward manner to her newborn infants’ needs. Of course, we will never have insight to her actions and motives, but there does seem to be an internal conflict in her with needing to care for them and feeling uncomfortable with caring for them when they are the most vulnerable and helpless.

[@lilgrlQ1]

I'm sorry, but absolutely not! While some animals may appear to have some similar traits, Autism is a developmental condition 9f5⁸& defined by perticular tenants or behaviors that are totally unique to humans alone! She wouldn't make eye contact, have any social interaction with other monkeys & most certainly some kind of OCD or repetitious actions. What you're speaking of, sights, sounds... pending on the case level could be seen as almost secondary...

[@GGdmk]

@@lilgrlQ1 I appreciate your thoughts on Nora’s behavior. I cannot claim to be an expert in mental or physical conditions, but I do believe that autism is a spectrum so specific characteristics such as lack of eye contact wouldn’t be a determining factor. But I know you’re right that Nora’s behavior isn’t due to autism because her behavior is specific to her newborn infants, not ongoing. You are also right about her behavior not being OCD because her behavior isn’t a compulsive behavior. I can’t say that Nora’s behavior isn’t obsessive, but it isn’t obsessive as it applies to OCD. I will say that I have looked into autism and OCD in non primates, and although there are no claims that non human primates can develop autism, there is a great deal of information regarding the use of non human primates (specifically Rhesus Macaques) and rodents in autism research. I did not look heavily into the data simply because I realized that Nora wasn’t actually showing signs of autism. I’ve come to believe that Nora’s behavior is possibly a sensory issue, but more likely due to her disliking her infants being placed ventrally. I also wholeheartedly believe that female/mother macaques do not have the ability to understand the concept of starvation. Some are obviously aware that they lactate and that their infants and babies suckle milk, but I don’t believe they have the ability to understand that their infants’ lives are fully dependent on their ability to nurse. I actually don’t, personally, believe that mother macaques think in terms of providing sustenance to their infants and babies. I truly don’t believe that Nora has the ability to comprehend that she starved her infant and caused its death. We humans feel the need to impose human morality on Nora’s behavior toward her infants, but that is unfair because macaques are not believed to be capable of understanding that nutrition and hydration through consumption of food and water are necessary to sustain life. There is no way we can ever know what causes Nora’s odd behavior that results in the deaths of her infants, but we like to theorize. That said, I appreciate your reply and points of view about my theory. As you stated, the above mentioned disorders, at this time, are considered specific to humans. Research is ongoing with regard to the possibility that non human primates can develop autism or OCD, but you’re correct in that they don’t apply with Nora. Thank you again for your reply and hope you have a nice upcoming week!

[@MeganZopf]

Thanks Arroz for sharing this!! You are awesome!

[@toddbowers5673]

Nora does not care about her babies. You can tell by the way she handles. I bet babies have fallen out of a tree and other times and got hurt. Maybe she didn’t care for the babies that came from certain alphas. To let your baby not sit on your feet and lock in when you’re high up in a tree is disgusting. You can tell at the end the babies were dehydrated and sucking hard for milk.

[@monicafabela6790]

It’s so funny they all look the same beautiful, lovable and caring. I wish I could see one in person. I don’t know if I could be a mother to one, but if she would like to love one. it’s so funny how they all look the same which they probably are baby monkeys with a lovable mother you normally don’t find that, but she was a pet that one time that’s what makes you so wonderful

[@monicafabela6790]

Nora has been a wonderful mother because she was a pet that one time and she knows how to love and not beat up per child the other mothers for some reason like to beat up their kids don’t know why maybe someday somebody will tell me

[@thestorysofar]

These are wild rhesus monkeys located in Hong Kong, not Cambodia where 99.99% of monkey videos on KZbin are from. Wild monkey mothers are loving and caring to their young, you have mistaken those abandoned pets and their descendants that most Cambodian channels film as the norm - they aren't.

[@marciaanderson9938]

I started looking at post partum psychoses. Which is often followed by depression. Add in the incredible change in hormones. I saw flat affect. Lack of concern. Lack of awareness. Little drifting off like a possible dissociative disorder. Bursts out of nowhere. Human literature describes it as being related to bipolar onset. They also mention traumatic births. And interestingly enough, having had a past history of this response postpartum, is potential indicator of it recurring. Hmmm. I can’t hate Nora. I had an adult child with schizophrenia and have witnessed this up very close.

[@christasantoni7121]

Nope nothing wrong with that little baby other than the misfortune of being born to a psycho monkey mom. I really think Nora’s strong predisposition as an alpha leader overshadows her natural mothering instincts. If Nora were a human she would likely choose not to have children and just focus on her alpha status. Too bad Nora has no control of her reproductive life and has to bear a new baby every year that she doesn’t want and will not care for. Nora needs a tattoo… Must be hard for the young sterilized monkeys, who long to care for a baby, to watch Nora being so abusive and neglectful.,….and not be able to intervene or help the babies. Not sure about the postpartum theory. Nora seems to have little instincts for love or care of the other monkeys too.But the way she tortures little newborns by crushing dragging and starving is heartbreaking. To have her newborn hanging on, begging dear life for any nourishment, and then to continue to torture the poor thing until their spirit gives up …well it’s beyond cruel … I think she’s a soulless sadistic monkey…. Or else Why wouldn’t she just leave the poor thing on the ground and allow it to be cared for by Nan or another who likely would….. God help them all.

[@kimveazey9036]

I think Nora treated her babies based on who the father is.

[@debrajohnson8030]

There is something wrong with Nora!!

[@lindabederio4603]

How about post natal burn Out???

[@dmac4264]

it seems to me, the babies that adapt to her aggression with a quiet and reserved nature do much better. I have seen your videos were Nana tries to intervene when Nora loses her cool. It really shows that Nora does have some issues, that even Nana can see in her primate world. It is hard to not have some emotion when you see Nora acting like the monster mom from today's world, that seem to suffer from the baby blues or whatever society is calling it. It's nature and it's life. Thanks for the great video🙂✌

[@leslie6938]

Well said and I agree, the babies who don't fuss or directly resist Nora, but instead remain calm and persist in taking advantage when nursing opportunities appear seem to fare best. I too remember Nan keeping an eye on Nora, didn't she smack or nudge her once last year? If it was shown in this video I must've been fast forwarding ahead, just can't bear watching babies being mistreated. One thing I've liked about Arroz being a few months behind is that when watching/skipping thorough difficult footage I can rationalize that the baby is no longer suffering. Either Nora's depression ended and the baby is happily thriving, or it has already joined Kailey, Charlotte, Cessa and all the other beloved angel babies joyfully playing together for eternity where they are loved, spoiled and never suffer again. I sure hope Nora's postpartum depression goes MIA this year (please, please, please ), otherwise I'll have to fast forward a lot until the baby pulls through (hopefully). I don't hate Nora, I know it's not her fault she has a condition that robs her of her normal mothering instincts. Same as Tina and Gypsy, I actually have a lot of sympathy for all them even though I can't bear to watch their babies suffer.

[@pamhoward6497]

Nigel is a cute baby.

[@melomartinez160]

I love Vinces droopy eyes, and ears!! Cutest baby!!

[@NurseSky674]

And Nigel 😍

[@faithhannah2280]

Chubby is an understatement 🤣🤣🤣

[@frugalwitch]

If you watch videos of the monkeys at Angor Wat you would see frequent dragging of baby monkeys and other rough treatment.

[@frugalwitch]

Forgot to say that I think the poor momma monkeys just get sick and tired of the endless rounds of pregnancy and nursing.

[@ritamccomas9271]

@@frugalwitch those females do give birth every year. I'm not sure if these monkeys give birth every one or two years. I've read in the wild they go every two.

[@andreacrose9648]

HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE WERE TAUGHT HABITS FROM BEING STOLEN AT BIRTH TO MAKE MONEY AND THEN DUMPED. LIBBY IS ONE OF THE WORSE TO DO IT. THE TORTURING OF OUR PRIMATES THERE IS TAUGHT. THATS A MESS ON THAT SIDE OF THE 🌎 AND NEEDS TO BE BANNED OFF ALL PLATFORMS

[@M10Repin]

I truly believe Nora has postpartum. It's usually not bad with first pregnancy but can become worse with each pregnancy. It's getting worse because she keeps getting pregnant without stopping. Also she seems to have more of a problem with the girls then boys. The difference in the hormones can make a difference to. If she doesn't quit getting pregnant she will only get worse each time. People need to remember this is not her fault. She is suffering and there is nothing that can be done for her. Just pray for the babies and Nora.

[@lasikcomplicationssuicidea1249]

Nora is just a mean mom

[@kimhunter7606]

Every so often I watch this again. As horrible as Nora was to several babies, Cessa still breaks my heart. Sweet baby struggled through the abuse and finally won Nora’s love. Then we lost her. We’d have had a Cessa baby this year; maybe one with Sweet Cessna’s smile. 😢

[@piquedamebw6077]

Thank you so much, very interesting video! Special thanks for the subtitles! My English is too weak, unlike German and Russian.And of course I subscribed to your channel.

[@debbiecoonse980]

I jus seen this channel today n this is the 2nd video I seen so far. Very good video n sad at the same time. But she did better with the lil boys as babies except for the 1lil girl. It's hard to blev but the boys was quieter than the girls when they wasn't able to nurse, I blev that's why the boys lived n the 1lil girl didn't throw to much of a fit so that helped her. Well it's time to go back to watchin more of these videos.

[@kathieholland4176]

I kind of feel like she is easier with the boys than she is with the girls. I believe she had one girl make it. But it seems like the boys did much better than the girls did. She probably has some kind of postpartum something. I'm so glad I watched this, I've been watching other shows that aren't showing as much violence towards the babies by the moms. So I'm very thankful that I found this. No you can't answer all the questions but that's okay you aren't there to be able to figure everything out. If you could you would fix all the monkeys. She does seem to like babies that are quieter and less fuss. But with monkeys you can't have a baby that's always on its best behavior. So my vote goes to maybe a little psychological problem. Plus her first one was the best baby you could have, and the rest of them held up to his standards. Your video for 2022 was not the next video that came up so I will have to kind of look for it. Keep doing what you're doing it seems like you're a good person and you seem to care.

[@kathleenhartnellharper7234]

Research has shown that if a baby is abused , it will grow up and abuse. What you have shown is not nearly as bad as some mother’s behavior where they bite and torment the little ones. Infamous Rozy was okay with her first baby, but when she had a hybrid she ignored it and threw it out of a tree three times before finally killing it. She is a wonderful mother to her next baby Rockstar, so who knows?! Maybe postpartum depression, maybe the doomed children had something wrong with them and were weeded out. Nature is unpredictable.

[@2024FingersCrossed]

I always thought the VOs tormented her during that time, she was even cut while she was pregnant.

[@paulforder591]

Could be that Nora has some kind of postpartum depression, which might explain why she won't always let her babies nurse. Also: persistence, tenacity, and resilience are traits which have allowed mostvofvger babies to survive. Just my opinion, for what it may be worth.🙊🙉🙈🇬🇧🐨

[@MiniLemmy]

I don’t know why (maybe because I don’t like people), but I find baby monkeys to be infinitely cuter and adorable than baby humans….

[@lfinnewyork]

Excellent video and content. An enigmatic investigative report. Nobody has the ability to do so except AM. That's why I am so totally glued to his channel.

[@jaceebrynne49]

She doesn't seem to like her girls......she starts to wean them way too early, and puts them on time clocks to feed, making them go longer without...I bet Cessa fell from a tree. If it weren't for Nan, I'm not sure 3 would have survived

[@puipuiauyeung2799]

In the same situations as Nora, we found a mom from the car park troop who has given birth to her fourth baby. She is not willing to nurse the newborn baby, is not gentle, and often holds the baby upside down and strikes it on the ground. The baby is 10 days old today and is growing slowly, clearly exhibiting less activity compared to other newborns of the same age. We hope the mom regains her senses soon and that the little one can be saved. 😭

[@A.R.77]

18:27 ~ Good to hear about the nursing. Hopes she makes it. The guardians that starve the kids to death are just the worse.

[@faithhannah2280]

Nora is pissing me off how can you treat your babies like that

[@debbiemcghee6617]

I so enjoy your videos and also your observation comments about these monkeys. Watching your videos, Nora indeed is an odd one. It seems to me that she expects her newborns to behave as...a juvenile. It appears that it takes her several weeks for a reality check that this is a NEW BABY and IS NOT the one she had already raised and weaned. Just a thought.

[@taraleemoore5199]

Nick by far was Nora's prettiest baby! Nora is the prettiest monkey in our gang. It's so tragic that she's become this way. Nora needs to be sterilized. ❤love to all Nora's babies in monkey heaven 🛐❤

[@jenniferlynn79]

Hey everyone, It is so nice to see you all! I love baby season and I love my monkey hill gang! Thank you so very much AM. Much love and respect sent your way❤️

[@susieq3235]

Hi sweety. How are you?

[@jenniferlynn79]

@@susieq3235 I am doing OK luv How are you?

[@vickirichardson2705]

Hi Jenn!

[@jenniferlynn79]

@@vickirichardson2705 hey Vicki, how are doing on this cool summer evening?

[@susieq3235]

@@jenniferlynn79 I bruised a rib so am sore. Lol love ua

[@DirtyRed1964]

Nora needs to be part of the realization program. She should be next.

[@judiththompson2423]

Each of Nora's babies that died had a specific look to their eyes that was very identifiable that maybe she had a sense that they were not viable babies and chose not to tend to them.😢

[@shellyhudson1631]

I said somewhat the same. They have been very dark haired and did have a dif look about them. I'm thinking the father of those isn't the one she would have chosen first. Perhaps it's a bloodline she doesn't feel is viable. The little gingers seem to do better from the start and the less tantrums and more chill the baby is the easier it is for them to feed. The loud ones thay struggle are not allowed to suckle hardly at all. They seem to have the opposite effect on her. The fits they pitch supposed to make her hug them closer and let them nurse and calm down but seems to affect her the complete opposite way

[@gaylawheat]

Yes monkey per studies know a week before they die so start looking for a termite hill and stop eating and drinking and same they do with the babies not all but most after carrying them and morn them

[@emerald_city_seller6552]

Is it possible that her being the Matriarch she doesn't want any weakness in her babies? Like she doesn't value them if they are too needy... it would make her look weak too the others perhaps. Maybe it's something more like that... animal instinct. All the babies that made it were much stronger and picked up on how to ride etc. Just my thoughts. I don't have bad feelings for Nora... she has a tough job!

[@joannegollsneider6349]

I think the babies that are quiet, strong, and don't fight mom are the ones that survive. Nora seems to get more upset and less willing to nurse when her babies cry and cry (you can't blame them all they want is to nurse) I still think it has something to do with her nipples it's like she can't even stand the thought of them being touched. But what do I know.

[@rossmcdoogle7443]

I think it’s a learned behavior that she doesn’t have to be sore in the chest area if she constantly blocks and fights the baby

[@emerald_city_seller6552]

Not every mother enjoys the infant stage... very demanding on you when already tired etc.

[@janeansr12]

Also I don't understand why you haven't said anything to the authorities who are sterilizing the monkeys that she needed to be sterilized because she kills her babies. It would save another monkey who wants to be a mother from being sterilized.

[@melomartinez160]

Maybe it has to do with the pain of childbirth...the more it hurts, she takes it out on the baby!!

[@MamaBearTo2]

I imagine it's very difficult to not step in and save the babies that are mistreated and abused by the mothers.

[@eimasalisio2537]

I am a primatologist and expert and honestly I hope people know you are not an expert in primates, most of your assumptions are not always 100% accurate.. monkeys are not always so overly careful with their babies and that is very normal.. they don't let babies nurse All the time non stop they make them wait when milk is out.. only seeings them for a little while on the hill is just not at all the way to make opinions about them.. you really need to study them in their wild habitat for whole days before you can make any firm judgement, just hope you people watching don't take things from these videos as fact because it is not

[@melomartinez160]

Maybe... Postpartum depression?? They share a lot of our traits!!

[@lerigby2473]

Yo Arroz...quick ⁉️⁉️ was this the same season the wild dogs and the boars appeared....if so could that have flipped her lid stresswise??

[@rubygrooms137]

Like some humans can't handle fussy babies ,same as with monkeys some have patience some dont...

[@user-uk5dd3uj1v]

香港は都市で人口が多くて、食料品店も沢山あるし、パン屋🍞さんは昨日のパン🍞をくれるし、スーパーマーケットも沢山あるから、お店を回って売れ残った野菜🥦🥬🥕や果物🍎🍇🍊を猿達🐒の為に集めて持って来てくれる人が居たら皆を養うことが出来るのではないですか？親切な人が多いと良いですね。

[@PandoraBVV]

WoW...Nora seems to have been suffering from a nasty case of post-partum anxiety & depression with Cessa. Her mother stuck to her & Cessa like white on rice though trying to ensure the safety & wellbeing of the babe and mom Nora. kudos to grandma for that!

[@faithhannah2280]

Yesssss!! Yayyyyyy ❤️❤️

[@angeladetrizio9522]

Love your channel. Excellent job❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@cesperanza3239]

This is what I was wishing for... A complete story on the ladies so far. Thank you señor Arroz for your amazing work!💕❤️

[@brattracy2542]

Watching this Again...Months Later...I think its the Babys that dont get Compfy n that R all over the Place she cant STAND!!! The Patience thing...she didnt want to b bothered with the Radical ones...If U will.....Sad to say but....the Whole Troop was Watching her...they knew Something was Wrong....

[@ElaineAtkins]

Really enjoyed this video thank you AM

[@Thedirtydubber]

I have a theory about Nora. If Vince was her 1st born. It is possible Nora did not want to make that mistake again. Even possible the troop lost some respect for her. Her demeanor with the 2nd baby seams to be confused and uneasy. She looks like she doesn't know what to do. The mother in her wants to love the baby, but her love spoiled one baby and she couldn't let that happen again.

[@rocknrazrbld]

This almost seems like textbook baby blues minus the higher cognitive reasoning of humans. When you have the baby blues or post partum depression there is an internal battle of " I want my baby" and get it away from Me. And commonly the blues clears up in 2-4 weeks as hormones stabilize. Depression can last longer sometimes years like in my case. I had severe extreme life stressor when my youngest was born. I still battle my post partum depression and an urge to pull away from my children. Thanks to my higher cognitive reasoning, and a supportive multigenerational family and my husband, I can take time to myself when needed and not deteriorate my relationship with my children. Other primates don't have the benefit for higher cognitive thought, counseling, medication etc, that we as humans do. They go on instinct, but with the biological similarities between all primates, it wouldn't surprise me if they sometimes have the same mental conditions we do. Life hardships are not the only thing that leads to depression, sometimes it's chemical. A person can have the perfect upbringing and adult life without a single hardship and still battle crippling depression. I think she has propensity to post partum depression.

[@marthapilkenton3589]

I have never seen such a chubby baby and I’m not so sure I like it!!!

[@seriavery7933]

Nora is not a nice ma. The baby needs milk. Help her. Nora won't give baby milk.

[@imasaved5853]

@arroz I didn't receive any notifications tonight and searched the internet KZbin all over. I am subscribed to other channels and you were the first channel I set up on my new phone?

[@livinlovelee2683]

The babies that didn't make it, were they both girls? Did she treat her girls differently from her boy?

[@elizabethiwonna]

I love that name Sesa You gave her ❤. Sorry for all the hungry kids . Maybe her discomfort was so big, she stopped her thinking., hard for all the involved.... Sad for me . Arroz I'm suffering with You ... but problems are each time different.... Your assessment is correct! Video as always beautiful and my BIG thank you always there. I have such a pleasure listening to You !!!

[@graciestar8064]

Noras got very black eyes in this photo. Poor baby i would love to take her home and love her.😔😔

[@jenniferhayes2771]

I think she’s got a problem with female babies. One got lucky. Probably because it was so calm. Or something really bad happened to her first daughter and made her not want to care again for her babies because it was so traumatic. Just speculations

[@olabaskerville]

Nigel so changed during his first two weeks, he was such funny wrinkled as newborn 😆