The Strange Life of Teen Wolf

[@omfghailmao]

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN THE AAALPHAAAAAA!!!!

[@rovaughncampbell3062]

Lol

[@MetaNiteFM]

Beat me to it

[@Roguechild]

Fuckin Peter. Not gonna lie though, that man does it for me with his V-neck tees and his quips. He can get it

[@robbiesmith8055]

He's always on, that Peter

[@MrFlibble13]

I think what you mean is “I’VE ALWAYSBEENTHEAFAFAFA!”

[@tyrannosaurusbecs2571]

the part that always kills me is scott's "my mom does all the grocery shopping" when jackson asks him where he gets his juice. i laugh every time

[@zxnn8543]

English isn’t my first language I still don’t get that line. Can u explain

[@anonymouslyanonymous1781]

@@zxnn8543 juice is slang for steroids so jackson is asking where scott got the steroids that made him good at lacrosse, of course since scott got good by becoming a werewolf and not by abusing steroids he jokingly says that his mom does the grocery shopping, acting as if he thinks that jackson is asking about actual jucie and not steroids

[@zxnn8543]

@@anonymouslyanonymous1781 I thought he meant juice as in.. yeah. Thank u for the explanation

[@anonymouslyanonymous1781]

@@zxnn8543 umm... yeah that's definitely one way to interpret it anyway your welcome english isn't my first language either so i get it

[@human4147]

@@anonymouslyanonymous1781 I don't even think he was joking, Scott seems genuinely confused in that scene which makes it so much better to me

[@danidkg4071]

my favourite (unintentional) running gag of season 1 is derek appearing in random places and just standing there

[@friendlyspaceninja]

Never fails to make me laugh!

[@mrsb50]

Bro it’s so funny

[@mrs.infamous9053]

it made me laugh so hard

[@robbiesmith8055]

I've heard another youtuber describe Derek by saying he loiters as a hobby, and my oh my if that ain't exactly it

[@francy7042]

No but seriously the first scene he's in cracks me up every time. Literally the first shot he's in he just literally🧍🏻‍♂️

[@ositaiza888]

okay but lydia screaming allison's name when she feels her death happening hit me more than allison's last words to scott

[@colt9836]

The fact that Lydia can literally FEEL Allison's death as it happens, big oof. In that moment, she knows she's powerless; she's knows there is nothing her powers can do.

[@eliseesbjornsson4981]

I always found it kind of funny💀

[@queenofhell8562]

It was the only reason I cared about her death, I liked Allison but not much emotion until you see Lydia just break and it's like oh my god this is sad

[@CaraRowen]

Even just reading that I'm crying all over again.

[@dhruvbharija172]

It made me laugh 😂😂

[@drakevoidwalker]

"I'm a thousand years old, you can't kill me" I haven't even watched this show and goddamn, that's a fantastic and intimidating villain line, specially with how Dylan delivers it. This villain-horror arc alone damn near makes me want to watch the show

[@colt9836]

It's EXCELLENT. I had to rewatch a couple of episodes because it was confusing, but that's exactly what Jeff wanted. The Nogitsune will always be this show's Darth Vader: The most cunning, the most powerful, and the most dangerous villain.

[@aaunyea4799]

I stopped watching after that season , because nothing could top it! It was amazing

[@ceciliahartmeyer3234]

ITS WORTH IT. Trust me season 3 is a masterpiece

[@Blueeyesthewarrior]

I know, right? Where can I watch just season three? That line delivery gave me chills.

[@Confused__Rock]

@@Blueeyesthewarrior Honestly, the whole show is kinda worth it for Stiles tbh. Even when season's aren't great, Dylan O'Brien is consistently a highlight. All the actors are great in my opinion but he was definitely the fan favourite standout and all his lines are the best. Plus s1&2 are the same length as the entirety of season 3 so it's fairly easy to breeze through

[@meeveling]

How dare you dishonour Derek by forgetting that he gains the ability to turn into a full wolf at the end of season 4 only to leave immediately after. Love this btw

[@fiocg2450]

IKR

[@adrian16281]

He did say that he wasn't even gonna acknowledge season 4B, since the premise of Kate coming back was stupid. But the fact is that 4B gives Derek a sort of closure to his past by defeating Kate (it was bs that Kate escaped though), and it explains Peter's intentions of becoming the Alpha

[@ab-vz4ps]

season 3b was a really well executed psychological thriller and a horror wrapped into one. I know Dylan O'Brien deserved endless praise for his portrayal of Void Stiles but the writers, cinematography crew and all the people who worked on it really did an amazing job. 3b was the product of genius story-writing, combined with haunting visuals and stellar acting

[@SuperRose]

thank. you. preach.

[@elsamarie222]

3b was def the best teen wolf season

[@majinally3527]

i loved how they carried that on for season 5

[@MetaNiteFM]

The opening scene of 3b, where Stiles is trapped in a nightmare and keeps thinking he’s awake only to wake up SCREAMING chilled me to the bone. I haven’t seen many horror films that can get me that spooked.

[@alexandracleron3247]

Remember watching it with my sibblings, my brother has never seen the show before and his reaction to void stiles were epic. Chocked and mad and so involved...😂😂😂

[@daneroberts1996]

I really love the reveal that Lydia is a banshee, mainly because it's clear that they planned it out at least a full season in advance, which is a RARITY in teen shows. Also the scene where the teacher tries to strangle her and she lets out her first shriek that shakes the very air around her is so awesome! And then I appreciated when they made her banshee powers give her directions in subtle or creative ways, like I remember a scene where she's driving in the car with someone, using her phone to navigate, and at some point she realises her passenger can't hear the phone's directions, it's actually her powers tricking her into finding a dead body

[@antonizajkowski9698]

Oooh I forgot about the mental GPS scene

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

The strings scene was also pretty dope

[@rfsantosc]

Yeah! She has some of the best scenes of the show. It was really well done.

[@colt9836]

One of the best things about Lydia is that she never stops being feminine, even in the gritty and dark setting she's in. She's always in a dress, wearing makeup, heels; so cute. And her power comes from something pretty stereotypically girly: Screaming.

[@JaneJn-e5c]

Yes I agree with that. They basically started it from the end of season 2 when peter bites her and clearly after something's happening to her. Little hints are dropped throughout the season like " your something all right" and her knowing something's going on. Then it's revealed in a very nice way. I really like the maturity of the show, how it's done.

[@cosplaycris4383]

To me, what makes Teen Wolf feel different from other teen dramas is that it sells you on the fact that the main cast are actually friends that like and care for each other. For some reason a lot of teen dramas have characters that are supposed to be friends, but that treat each other in weirdly antagonistic ways, or that are just... cold to each other. Like they are acquaintances more than friends. With the Teen Wolf gang, you believe that these kids are friends for real, even the ones that don't interact as much like Lydia and Scott for example, you can see there is an undercurrent of genuine care and appreciation for each other when they do.

[@olotocolo]

Not to mention their relationships are often very mature, definitely Scott's are. You cen feel they are in love, they try to be together. They are not action figures smashed together by writers to make shippers go woo. For a teen show it's... unbeliveable

[@luissimoes2645]

Hey I know I am here a few years later but since I love this show I could not control myself. Yeah to me Teen Wolf is all about friedship and imo if you watch it with that mentality since the start, you will find that the friendship themes are pretty much well developed and sometimes very deep even if the show is a little extra in some points. Scott and Stiles' friendship is the heart of the show and pretty much the best teen friedship that is good enough on tv for the last few years. The only other show that also does it perfectly is Sex Education with Otis and Eric. In interviews Dylan says that is headcanon is that Scott and Stiles met in a sandbox when they were 3 or 4 years old and have been best friends since then. Besides that being hilarious it is pretty believable given their interactions throughout the show. I always watched the show with friendship in as the core message and because of it scenes like the one where a character dies (even if it is a character like Boyd who wasn't really part of the pack and more of a loner, but that Scott wanted to help and befriend if Boyd also wanted to), or like the scene at the end of season 3A and the ending of 3B hit different. Not to mention the scene at the end of episode 5x1 where we have a tribute to one of the characters that died and where you feel like they were really all friends and all care for each other, even the ones they lost along the way. It might be one of the only shows on tv that actually ackowledges the death of a character 2 seasons later and actually involves it in the resolution of the problem they are facing. I wished we had seen a great ending in the final season with a good villain (the villains in 6B were nothing but terrible along with the rest of the plot of 6B) and where we would have seen people like Isaac, Derek, Ethan, Jackson, Dr Deaton... come back and help them get back on their feet and defeat whatever final threat they were facing at the time. I wish they pulled of one last memorable villain or supernatural creature that was based on mythology like the Kanima, the Druid, the Nogitsune and the Oni, the Beast of Gevaudan... and gave it a mystery and a twist like they always pulled in the first seasons.

[@dilayyilmaz92]

I truly CANNOT believe you talked for one and a half hours without even once mentioning Coach Finnstock, the absolute best supporting character this show has

[@reiraxlilly]

his interractions with styles are always hilarious hahahaha

[@RoxyChannel92]

the bigger they are......the bigger they are!

[@ariyatabassumabdullah1143]

STILINSKI SHUT IT THIS. IS. A. BUS. STOP ASKING ME QUESTIONS !!!!!!!!!!

[@darkdog42]

He has the best hero moment and one liner in the show in season 4 “we have a no bullying policy” tasers dude

[@jensenkansas567]

"BILINSKI!"

[@Ms.Ace8]

I love that the stiles dream sequences aren’t like distorted or anything. There’s nothing in the scenes visuals that hint at it being a dream and I love that

[@justincruz5720]

33:04 If Stiles doesn’t know the difference between dreams and reality, why should we?

[@mr.manguy3692]

Can we all agree that the best thing the show did was avoid love triangles. Even when Issacc dates Allison, Scott and Issacc just have a quick scene about it in a jokey way and don't let it come between their friendship.

[@antonizajkowski9698]

Thank God

[@colt9836]

That's called ✨ maturity ✨

[@JaneJn-e5c]

It's also pretty mature when Scott and stiles make up. It's not done in a way that one side of the argument is forgotten and they just gloss over it without really sorting it out. They didn't just let them move on or get over it but it was tense between them for a while and they actually talked about it. They actually cared properly about thier relationship. I like that and I noticed that.

[@mungiuri]

Amen to that!

[@colt9836]

@@JaneJn-e5c One thing Teen Wolf executes nigh-flawlessly is the depictions of relationships, whether said relationships are good (Noah and Stiles) or ill (Kate and Derek). Stiles isn't automatically in the wrong because Scott is the protagonist; Scott isn't wrong because he genuinely believed Stiles crossed a line. Both were victims of Theo's subterfuge; And once they realized that, it's not brushed under the rug. It had an impact on their relationship.

[@glass.hammer]

I feel like the seizure senses were inspired by service dogs trained to detect seizures, and the implications of that are just too good.

[@xilj4002]

They can also sniff out sickness (at least cancer) like trained dogs

[@glucoseguardian9999]

THATS HOW I ALWAYS FELT! 😀

[@shadowling77777]

I like when Scott and Allison think stiles is saying beastiality instead of bestiary

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

People stopped having seizures after that episode. At least, while Scott was just hanging out. I'm sure while he's fighting the villains, people are having intense seizures offscreen. Rough stuff

[@glass.hammer]

@@PanAndScanBuddy *ruff

[@laurenapostolakis8432]

Fun fact, they were leading up to jackson being the one related to peter hale, they built it up with the mysterious car crash thing with his parents and the fact that his heritage was the reason he became a kanima instead of a werewolf, but colton Haynes wanted to be written off. So instead of getting huge character development for jackson in season 3 along with all the other amazing things in it, we got Malia to get a random twist and find a way to keep the peter hale dad story line going.

[@badratymj9255]

Colton didn't want to be written off. But the producer wanted to keep colton for one or 2 episods but they didn't want him to go do other projects. So he left and went to arrow . Also he had some issues with his mom health, him still in the closet and anxiety. And he end up with an addiction so yeah. I was so into the jackson / péter connection

[@cybercriminal3110]

I'm kinda glad they didn't go for it. Haynes and Peter's actor have 12 years of age difference.

[@shinefairy4516]

They should have just recasted. Teen drama show always pull this secret family member twist that doesn't make sense (cough cough Riverdale). But this one had a good build up. Could've been one example of this trope done right. Also alpha pack was coming for mainly jackson. And peter coming back would also be more interesting than him just being there. All those story line potential just went nowhere.

[@colt9836]

@@cybercriminal3110 ??? I do not follow your logic? You do know Crystal Reed, Allison's actress, is older than Tyler Hoechlin, Derek's actor, when Teen Wolf started, right? Age of actors doesn't matter unless it involves legality.

[@cybercriminal3110]

@@colt9836 My logic is that Haynes and Peter don't look anything like father and son.

[@pearl-a8978]

I also think that a very big reason why 3B is terrifying and why Void!Stiles is the best character is because Stiles the characters are suddenly completely hopeless. Stiles was not only the comic relief but the thing that held them together at their worst, so with him thinking he's developing prefrontal dementia and losing his mind, their source of hope is gone. We can also see this happen, although to a very lower degree, in 6A, without Stiles the group loses its dynamic.

[@jbear3478]

DUDE YES. by episode two I was like ummm stiles isn't going to make it. Pure psychological terror.

[@yvieoluoch66]

I've always had the theory that the nogitsune chose Styles deliberately. Just as you've pointed out, of all the characters on the show, Syles goes out of his way to rationalise, criticise and strategise through mysteries and actions, in humorful fashion. The nogitsune is a trickster. It chose Noshiko's lover because she would struggle psychologically wondering whether or not he was still in there, still alive under the nogitsune, and that made her hesitate fighting back. Is it too far of a stretch to say the choice of Styles was because of his role in the pack as the hopeful thinker? From the riddle to the hallucinations, and let's not forget the game of Go, a strategy game of surrounding the enemy. What better symbolism is there? And Styles, being the rational thinker he is, sunk deeper and deeper into the game, giving more and more of his mind to the nogistsune in order to find a way out, until, finally, he realised he needed to stop playing. Still one the best climaxes of that show; the beginning of the defeat of the nogitsune.

[@outofequilibrium5775]

Unironically though; the jokes between stiles and his dad or stiles and coach are some of the funniest shit on TV ever

[@colt9836]

"You're not gay." "W-I could be." "Not dressed like that."

[@anninaninana1070]

Those are some underrated dynamics. I loved the coach and dad characters they had some amazing comedic timing

[@thewongandonli]

coach blowing the whistle and stiles losing his patience is so fucking hilarious

[@avxx0035]

The relationship between Stiles and his dad is one of the best parent son relationships period.

[@nangamsosiba9511]

Absolutely 💯

[@retrostuff8976]

I also love the running gag of everyone questioning Stiles name. Like in the parent teacher conference episode in season one. The teacher was like. "His name is Stiles?" I also love Chris Argent character arch. From he went to hating the pack in season one to being a second father to Scott and watching over the pack after his daughter's death. There were some good moments in this show and Chris Argent stood out. Don't know if you agree or not.

[@blackphillip8486]

I think we all agree. 👍

[@YakBat]

Honestly the second he came on-screen I knew I'd be a fan as I've loved that dude in everything since I first saw him in The Crow: Stairway to Heaven. Also felt him and Isaac could have had a spin off.

[@dreyh4507]

i just fucking LOVE how everyone who watched teen wolf from season 1 to season 6 just agrees that season 3b is easily the best fucking season of the whole series. if i were to rewatch teen wolf, i can just rewatch season 3b so easily without hesitations. everyone’s acting was so good, ESPECIALLY dylan’s. he really shined in that season and how he really fucked everyone’s minds (the characters and the audiences) really shows how much of a great actor he is the range that he can do. it’s been like years since void stiles and i still believe that he deserves an award for that character alone. he carried the whole show on his shoulders so easily.

[@gwen_st107]

Season 3 definitely was the best especially 3b. I love 1st and 2nd seasons as well. 4-6 weren't so bad but s3 raised my expectations so much, I was getting more and more disappointed.

[@ChocolatexCherries3]

I actually remember being so terroritoral over stiles because I was there for the premiere and he was always my favorite (s1 stiles was soo overlooked) lmao

[@jester8312]

I full heartedly agree. 3b has my entire heart

[@kathylove3068]

3 is good.. but I do think they avnt finsh it off.. because the fox is still there they lock the wrong fox up...in the box.. that why stiyle is still in the box.. & he kept telling them let him out..., that why Alison is coming bk for him. In movie? ..,

[@magdalenasutter5355]

I like 3a better actually

[@tlamaloza22]

the lack of melissa, chris argent and sheriff stilinski in this video aches deep within my heart. I think they are in my top 5 characters of the entire show.

[@zxnn8543]

Sheriff Is in my top 5

[@colt9836]

@@zxnn8543 Don't forget Chris. His character development stemming from the love of his daughter is 🤌🏻.

[@fellinuxvi3541]

Or Coach

[@Samgotboredd]

Ngl i loved the parents more than the teens especially the new ones

[@autumnschultz1092]

Right? Sometimes it feels like teen shows just ignore the parents? Even though parents are such a huge part of a teenager's life. I loved all of them and their interactions with their kids.

[@nobodyimportant7135]

Teen Wolf is a perfect example of how bad shows can become the best shows if everybody making them knows they're bad and just embraces it and has fun with it.

[@ВасяПетечкин-ф7л]

If the show is bad to begin with, it will be canceled. This is an example of a bad show.

[@sage7980]

@@ВасяПетечкин-ф7л After 6 seasons and 100 episodes? No, your logic is flawed. I’m not saying it’s a perfect show, it has it problems and it ended poorly but obviously people loved it enough to get a movie.

[@ВасяПетечкин-ф7л]

@@sage7980 "This is example" - I meant those shows that was canceled asap and didn't lasted long, wich TW is not.

[@sage7980]

@@ВасяПетечкин-ф7л Oh sorry. Misunderstood. One network though that will cancel shows that are good though is Fox. That channel has cut off so many shows too early and weirdly ones that have low ratings will stay on. Apologies again for not reading your comment correctly.

[@colt9836]

"Where??? aRe YoU?? Getting YOuR juuUicE????"

[@stevenreadicker2777]

I am still having a hard time with the idea of a Teen Wolf movie without Stiles. He's more than just the comedy; he's always been the glue that keeps the group together. The show always felt weird when he wasn't involved.

[@littlesparrow303]

For real!!! Also Arden for Kira not returning. I enjoyed those two characters too

[@insertcreativenamehere7584]

we should’ve known how bad it would turn out as soon as dylan o’brien didn’t come back lol

[@throwawaw5129]

It was as hard to watch as it was to imagine!

[@chelseagrinfan1]

its one of the reasons I hated 6A not having Stiles with the group was jarring and he couldn't let his prescence with the rest of the cast be felt of course him with Peter was a classic idea..but still not the same

[@theotakupunk3484]

The original 80s movie even had stiles

[@TheCoco7802]

"I'M A THOUSAND YEARS OLD YOU CAN'T KILL ME" I remember this scene so clearly I had goosebumps all over my body

[@pavaniwitharana426]

I love how Riverdale tried to redo Lydia with Cheryl but absolutely failed at making her at least as half as iconic

[@wonwoop]

LMAO i watched riverdale before this video and i could see the painful similarities, down to the speech mannerisms and shit. like they really tried to duplicate her in their batshit horrible show and made a cringey, pathetic, and incredibly unlikeable character

[@pavaniwitharana426]

@@wonwoop Right 💀 Like they cast Madelaine Petsch because she looks similar to Holland even. They gave her the most weird lines and Lydia's sassiness. It's not a good combo.

[@sojourndestination3031]

I remember watching Riverdale thinking Cheryl could never handle Lydia. Lydia grandually became a badass. Cheryl... we don't know what Cheryl is.

[@a.g9791]

Lydia also sucks as a character. All she does is scream

[@pavaniwitharana426]

@@a.g9791 Um... maybe like watch the show again and...pay attention this time?

[@robbiesmith8055]

Thank You for putting in the 'divine move' clip of Void Stiles. 'I'm a thousand years old YOU CAN'T KILL ME' is so goofy on paper, and when you consider how campy some equally dramatic lines were from Peter, Deucalion and Gerard turned out (here's looking at you mOuNtAiN aShHhHhh), it's a testament to DOB's performance that it comes off as genuinely menacing.

[@KHWendy28]

That line gets me every time too and still freaks me out.

[@DeanS946]

Hahaha, I forgot about mountain ash! You could make a drinking game the amount of times that came up.

[@laiaal.3324]

Dylan O'Brien as the Nogitsune is one of the best performances I have ever seen and anybody will convince me otherwise

[@colt9836]

@@laiaal.3324 Fan fact: Teen Wolf is Dylan's debut as an actor. I would bet money he pushed for Stiles to be possessed as the Nogitsune so he could showcase his skill.

[@leech1108]

@@colt9836 yeah, said no one.

[@amaterasuregalia3035]

Justice for Arden Cho. The show did her dirty. I was so looking forward to the show having fun in seeing a kitsune just being awesome

[@aimeewilson4505]

Season 3 really was the peak of the show. Not only was having a friend, one of the core five, turn evil and raise the emotional stakes, void stiles was a great villain and wrapped the entire season in psychological horror and stress. Plus by then, the in universe rules had been established as well as new comers like issac and kiara dynamics with the group, it really was the best season of the whole show.

[@swifttodeath]

I prefer season 5 over Season 3 Both were amazing

[@sullyproductions5757]

@@swifttodeath is that the dread doctor/chimera Nazi season

[@ariyatabassumabdullah1143]

@@sullyproductions5757 isn't the nazi thing from season 6?

[@ihavenoname330]

@@swifttodeath ummm...

[@shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655]

@@swifttodeath someone who liked s5 yess

[@babyaxolotl6288]

Say what you will but season 3B was the peak of teen dramas (and Dylan O'Brien deserved an award for his performance)

[@friendlyspaceninja]

But... that's exactly what I said

[@rovaughncampbell3062]

@@friendlyspaceninja classic KZbin

[@carlosperezq1740]

@@friendlyspaceninja he/she is a baby from a amphibian species, maybe she/he dont understand you

[@ghazanjazz8689]

You probably didn't even watch the video.....

[@babyaxolotl6288]

@@friendlyspaceninja yes, I wrote it when I started watching and I forgot to delete it when I realised that you are thinking the same thing (like any other fan of the show tbh). P.S. I love all of your videos

[@jbcatz5]

Something interesting about seasons 1 and 2 is how realistic consequences are shown. Teen shows where the cast spend little time doing schoolwork or being at school usually wave away consequences, act all out of sight out of mind, but Scott’s issues with werewolf/life balance take a toll on his grades to the point he’s at risk of repeating the grade level (he takes summer school between seasons 1 and 2, so he can stay with his friends). The antics Stiles gets up to reach straw that breaks the camel’s back when his theft of a police van loses his father the position of town sheriff (that it was needed to contain Jackson wasn’t a good excuse since Stiles’ father wasn’t in the loop by that point about the supernatural). Contrast with Vampire Diaries or Riverdale, where the cast seem to not have problems with schoolwork despite spending more and more time on plot stuff.

[@lkcullen1918]

^^^

[@keigoftw]

And then come season three there's a huge inquiry where law enforcement local & federal eventually takes the stance that Beacon Hills is just too entirely weird and that their going to let locals take the lead on this shit because no one else knows what's going on anymore! Meaning the growing amount of people who knows what's going on all working together regards of age or station to try & save lives as best they can. Which is arguably realistic in its own weird sort of way

[@xolitaire]

To this day I firmly believe that someone on the Teen Wolf production team wanted Stiles to be the main character and tried everything in their power to make it happen - and no one can convince me otherwise. Why? Let's see. In the beginning of the show Stiles gets the funniest scenes and best lines, both of which are delivered with impeccable comedic timing. Need a character to summarize the current situation? Stiles delivers. A scene needs one last reaction shot before the cameras cut away? Stiles. On top of that he has the best chemistry with the other characters (everything from the early scenes with Derek and Stiles to Jackson's warbled "I have a resTRAINING OrdER!" is comedy gold). And finally: he had - hands down - the best character development in the show, from scared, clumsy kid who dabbled in magic to being possessed by an ancient demon to a competent (and sometimes scary) adult. Funny enough this lead to a weird effect which I am convinced they had planned for Scott: For a long time I felt like I was watching the events of the show through Stiles eyes, who was - for most of the show - the only "normal" kid in a supernatural cast.

[@PandoraGhostElf]

Makes it funnier when you consider that Dylan was originally scouted for the role of Scott but he passed it lol

[@loke6664]

I don't think that is the case, this is more a Tyrion Lannister thing. Let me explain, Tyrion becomes far more important in the shows then the book and a far more nicer guy too, and that is just because Peter Dinklage is so charming. I think the same thing happened to Stiles, his charm made him become more and more important in the show as time passed. Initially, the show was meant to be more of a comedy and there they picked Styles to be the straight guy, the normal person who makes the rest of weirdos stand out and that put a lot of spotlight on him, and once the show got more serious, the viewers were already fans of him. Actors and actresses are really important to a show. Of course they also screw that up at times, Alison was a great character in the first season but after that they really didn't use her well which lead to her death. Her problem was that she had great chemistry with Scott but once they broke them up they didn't knew what to do with her (one would think they could have figured out something but the show had a habit of forgetting what to do with characters and instead introduce new ones. Nothing wrong with introducing new characters but in Alison's case they either should have killed her in the end of season 1 or found something else to do instead of basically forgetting about her and kill her off later to shock the audience, but since she done very little for 2 seasons people cared way less by then). This movie is even worse, they bring in a whole lot of people just to be there and that is not doing anything for anyone, just padding for the runtime in a story that already feels as disjointed as the Wheadon cut of the Justice league. It do not need any padding, never rush the plot so you can show some characters doing nothing.

[@sialiasialis.]

I don't think Stiles being the best character in the show really puts him in the protagonist hot seat really. Like when has there ever been a show where we don't wind up liking the supporting cast or supporting main characters more than the main character focus? Stiles in this case is just that loveable supporting character but cranked up to 11 and a lot of that is thanks to production just letting Dylan O'Brien chew the scenery to shreds any chance he could get and absolutely letting him run with the character. I think were Stiles the primary focus and not Scott, Stiles wouldn't be the same character people loved from the beginning. The dynamic wouldn't be the same and with the way the later seasons were written they were bound to ruin him in some irreparable fashion.

[@zeyzey8129]

I'm kinda sad that you didn't talk about the relationship between Styles and his dad, and maybe Scott's mom since we hardly see representation of good parent-child relationships in teen shows but overall, great video! Can't wait for the movie to come out, so I can watch your video on it :)

[@mufarovalerieellenmasumbu348]

So true....

[@robbiesmith8055]

I'm with you. My favourite elements of the show are Stiles (fortunately FSN gave Dylan his flowers, so I feel validated), and his relationship with his Dad.

[@Shortyriri]

@@robbiesmith8055 what is FSN?

[@uglyfishinwater1770]

@@Shortyriri Friendly Space Ninja lol

[@antonizajkowski9698]

The fact that Stiles and Scott lowkey became brothers

[@AlexeiX1]

The nogitsune arc was genius, actually the scene where Stiles gets trapped in his dream and keeps waking up is one of my favourites scenes in TV of all time.

[@MonumentToSin]

I really think that whole arc was written just to allow Dylan to show off his acting skills, and I really think that helped him get the movie roles that he had in the next 2 years or so

[@21700r]

I think growing Lydia's banshee powers would have been cooler if they kept leaning into the "death omen" aspect of their mythology that had early focus, like her scream causing popped blood vessels, aneurysms, heart palpitations, signs of impending death essentially, or even being able to cause a death by screaming, rather than scream because someone will die. I just think that is such an interesting aspect of what banshees are, beings intrinsically linked with the very idea of death, and it doesn't get explored enough in modern pop culture (at least that I've seen)

[@jaernihiltheus7817]

Headcanon time: Every time she does one of those scream shotgun blasts in the later seasons; she unknowingly dooms some random person to die horribly somewhere in the world. The more often she uses it, the closer she gets to becoming an unintentional mass murderer.

[@antonizajkowski9698]

I did not understand at all what banshees were supposed to be

[@angelaoriel5912]

@@jaernihiltheus7817 oh shit that would've been so horrifying i love it

[@akirasaito1551]

I actually don't like this idea purely from a banshee depiction standpoint. Banshees are literally just here to warn people of death, not to cause it or worsen the situation. If anything, they're often (though not always) gentle and protective spirits in Irish mythology. Having a "family banshee" was even a point of pride. Idk, I just don't like the trend of western media grimdark-ifying/cherry-picking the creepier legends of death related mythology I didn't watch the show though so I can't tell if this would be good for the story lol

[@21700r]

@@akirasaito1551 That's fair. I mostly just wish that, since they gave her banshee powers that can be used to fight anyway, they were more than just, essentially, yelling like Black Canary from DC. There's also dramatic potential to explore the line between what you can do as a heavily spiritual being who warns of death and misfortune, and as a being who is still alive, can still be killed, and needs some way of defending themself. I'm also generally a fan of stories that confront the realities of death, the fact that while it's more often than not some degree of traumatic to experience or witness it is an absolute, a part of life so intrinsic to our understanding of the world, that we consider it an essential part of what it is to live. Death isn't good, it isn't evil, it just is, it can help free you from endless suffering, but it can also take you from those you love far sooner than you're ready. That duality & conflict is fascinating to see embodied in someone with a human life experience to reckon with, & I think powers more in the vein of what I mentioned fit better, thematically speaking, with the idea of tying a human (at least in mind and experience) character to the conceptualization of death

[@Mrdespondency]

i was a huge fan of teen wolf back in the day, and when i found out tyler hoechlin was coming to the country for a local comic con, i immediately decided i would draw him some art to give him during a signing. now i have no idea why, but i was absolutely convinced that he was a short grumpus. did i ever look him up outside of the show? fuck no. i just thought he was a rad dude and he was one of my fave characters so whatever so imagine my surprise when the biggest labrador of a man comes bouncing out excited to meet all of us, and during my turn i was so speechless i just handed him my art print and stared. he looked at it, said "is this for me????" and then immediately picked all 5'4" of my asian self off the floor in a big hug. i''ve never fully recovered since lol. teen wolf will always have a special place in my heart for getting me through some dark college years, and meeting a genuinely sweet human being like tyler hoechlin will always be one of the best memories i have

[@arthuredington6171]

Aww that's sweet

[@xxchesire_catxx8176]

Most wholesome actor-fan interaction

[@mohammedtahmid6718]

Literally perfect to be superman

[@Andreea6442]

That is so cool and sweet!!! I love yhat you had this wholesome experience!!

[@rfsantosc]

3B is responsible for Dylan O'Brien's successful career. It was when he got to show the great actor he is. He outshined EVERYONE on that show before and After. No one in the cast could match his talent and ability. (My English is pretty shitty, I'm sorry)

[@a.g9791]

You’re so right literally all of his co workers are jobless now😂(except Tyler hoechlin). While Dylan starred as a lead role in a big franchise. Starred as a lead role in American assassin, in love and monsters. Now has 2 big new movies (the outfit , not okay) coming out and got eyes on him again due to the Taylor swift video. I can’t wait to see where he goes now cause it’s only going up

[@antonizajkowski9698]

Idk I think he would have had his shout either way... but it was amazing, seeing him in that role. I hope to god he doesn't stop acting, like he thought he would (after that accident in the Maze Runner)

[@SweetNothing937]

@@antonizajkowski9698 what happened?

[@godiraonasetlhabi7992]

@@SweetNothing937 He doesn't really say, all we know is that he got hurt.

[@_jolie_]

dob will get an oscar someday

[@Ganymedia9]

23:36 Dogs can be trained to smell oncoming seizures in order to warn people and get them somewhere safe, so I like to think Scott just somehow was able to smell Erica's seizure coming. Now, do I think the writers knew this was a thing? No. No I do not. But it's a neat coincidence.

[@mmmkkkyla]

Nah they probably knew it’s a pretty well known fact which is probably why they didn’t explain it in the show

[@biazacha]

Yeah I think they knew and just throw in as “look hahaha dog things”

[@InfectionFever]

i remember that they do establish at one point that dogs and werewolves can smell when someone has cancer/dying, so i just thought of that when Scott smells Erica's seizure oncoming

[@empressfreya9872]

Dylan O´Brien is the best actor out of the cast, hands down. And he´s still got it. He perfectly played the manipulative groomer in All Too Well

[@ariyatabassumabdullah1143]

Right? Like I hated him so much in that and i didn't think it was possible to hate dylan o'brien

[@antonizajkowski9698]

YES! Stan him

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

Flashback was also so wild. Dylan O'Brien is a gem.

[@briaquinlan9497]

3b would never have happened without the writers realizing that Dylan O'Brien had moved beyond "yeah, he can act and he's funny" to a genuine super talent in the making. I keep wondering how long people are going to watch him and bc he makes everything he does look so easy -- underestimate him.

[@erinl9866]

Dylan O'Brians acting is criminally underrated. From a technical standpoint his acting in Teen wolf is great. It kinda sucks because I feel like people only know him for Teen Wolf and The Maze Runner series, which are both like teen angsty type works, and because of that think he's not that great or whatever he's just some mediocre "hot guy" actor.

[@KHWendy28]

I Am happy he is getting more movie roles now he has 4 movies coming out in the future and the new teen wolf movie will be his 5th coming out, so the man is still working and it does not have to be any big buget movie he does his best acting in smaller movies like last year's Flashback. In feb his next movie The Outfit is coming out and the Taylor swift music video was great.

[@xstarsystemsx]

He definitely had his "internet's favourite white boy" moment, but in his case I really think he deserves all the recognition. He is super charismatic and expressive and his acting is always such a joy to watch. He had a bit of bad luck in there for a while with the accident etc, but I really hope he continues getting interesting roles.

[@miksobrado]

I dont think hes that hot, or hot, haha, but I really hope he gets nightwing cause he could absolutly pull it off

[@mintypatapeepee7106]

@@KHWendy28 i’m so sad he’s probably not doing the teen wolf movie

[@butters3093]

people really do just boil him down to an actor fangirls love, instead of giving him the credit hes due. Hes a genuinely good actor with the roles he gets.

[@XCornelia14]

Stiles AND Coach carried this show so much. I still crack on their scenes because they are so golden!

[@mist7295]

that coach was legendary

[@ineshomemcardoso]

I HATED the coach in the beginning... but...... when he stopped pestering kids and began defending them... the happiness I felt istg

[@WSDigitalArtwork]

I always find it funny that Stiles was the best friend/comic relief character at first but at the end of season 1 he started to become more. His relationships with the rest of the characters especially his dad elevate him so much. When you hear about his anxieties and thoughts throughout he’s just such a well crafted character played by a great actor. He wound up being the best character in the whole show. They realised this by season 3b and made him the main focus. And again by 6a, he was the emotional heart of the show. Absolutely the highlight of the whole series!

[@thatsdisco]

I also love that Dylan O'Brien actually was at the casting for Scott, but then during the reading of the pilot script alone he loved Stiles so much that he wanted to play him instead. Legend behaviour

[@shaharavigdori8641]

I love your profile image lol

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

He was my favourite on the show, despite not having powers. Guy is a talented actor too, that helps.

[@margaridabaptista3712]

In 3B's defense, if you just watched the show, and not the promotional material, Allison's death actually is very shocking and a very significant moment for the characters and for the show. This was my situation, at least, and I wasn't expecting it all and in that case it really managed to pull at the heartstrings. I do wish they'd explored its ramifications more, though, and the grief of other characters because of her, but it seems like her closest people either leave the show or totally easily move on from her dying, which sucks.

[@utilitymaxxing]

Jackson is my favorite because he's so ridiculous. Every line is nonsense. What is he doing? I have no idea. But every time he says "I drive a Porche" I die laughing.

[@olivia1135]

one thing i actually like about the later seasons is the effect 3b had on stiles. after 3b he's not the same light hearted comic relief character cuz of what he's been through. yeah he still has his moments but he's not the same. he has clear trust issues with new people which scott often belittled like with theo. i hated how scott was mad at stiles for killing someone in self defense in s5?

[@ziau.s9283]

Yup i noticed that after 3b Stiles just wasn’t the same

[@mercyortega5848]

He really was not mad at stiles for that, he understood it was self defense. He was only mad at the lie Theo told him.

[@lolawhiterabbit]

@@mercyortega5848 he doubted him, he gave him a hard time and even questioned him as a friend. That shit really pissed me off

[@thatonenigeriansformula]

I hate how in shows the character in trouble has the opportunity to clear their name yet choose not to for example all stiles had to say is that dude fell on a pipe all on his own , to no longer mark him as a killer , i mean yeah sure he pulled that pin thingy but he didnt actively stab him

[@liynne]

i agree but also at the same time i feel like 3b didn't have ENOUGH effect on stiles.

[@VictorSnider]

You nailed it. Absolutely agree with you 99%. If Stiles isn't in the movie, I'm not even going to bother. However, I'd also like to add that while Teen Wolf had pretty good characters as you mentioned, most of them had a lot of wasted potential we'll never get to see. 3B IS GOLD.

[@roobyyy]

and sadly he isn’t

[@machodgdon]

"Teen Wolf is the show where no one really dies, except for Allison" This aged horribly

[@Sasu123456789x1]

Lol 😆

[@ktbecstasy]

Only if he knew 🤣

[@Miss_malevolent8681]

Why’s that? When did she come back?

[@madelinekouassi9884]

​@@Miss_malevolent8681in the movie, she comes back

[@Miss_malevolent8681]

@@madelinekouassi9884 why?! How did they explain that? Did they even bother to explain it?

[@tomlawal7991]

So we all agree Dylan O’Brien deserved an Emmy for season 3B - VOID STILES SUPREMACY

[@BL-hw4mn]

Glad someone said it

[@antonizajkowski9698]

+1

[@eillhart]

Derek was the character that should be our ticket not only to the werewolf mythos but also to the mundane reality of being a born werewolf. Like, with all this over dramatic shit I really wanted the show to expand on how the Hales got by before the fire. What jobs did they have? What was their relationship with the rest of the town? How did the human Hales feel about being in a pack? There was just so much to do with Derek apart from making him work-out shirtless it's criminal none of it was used. I think the show really would benefit from showing us more healthy and regular werewolf packs. Satomi's pack could also be used like that but I hardly remember them, so.

[@Darkrose517]

YEEEESSSS!!!!!! I honestly wish the show had been about Derek. Everyone else could still be important as well, but Derek and the Hales were where the true story was!

[@xstarsystemsx]

Derek was so criminally underutilized in this show that it actually made me stop watching it some time after season 3.

[@colt9836]

This is why I wish Derek became the True Alpha (or the whole idea was non-existent to begin with), because it shows that underneath all his self-loathing, his cold exterior, Derek is still a selfless and heroic character. I always felt that when he talked to Talia, she passed down her alpha status to him; showcasing that the title is because of the Hale bloodline, rather than violence. Even if Scott DID become an alpha, it would've been interesting to see two alphas leading a pack. Especially one as ancient and powerful as Hale. With all that said, I do understand that the story was about Scott. He is the main protagonist after all.

[@ndalisian4386]

OMG THIS!! I genuinely thought that all the talk about the Hale family, the introduction of new family members that were thought to be dead i.e. Derek's sister Cora or the mention of his mother, and all the mystery surrounding them was some sort of build up/foreshadowing that would inevitability lead to a major storyline in the show involving the Hale Family, but then nothing happened??

[@youllneverknowmyname]

All we really got from the Hales was that they were really involved with the town and they made a lot of money. That’s all they could put out? Not even a three second line of Derek saying “my mom was a doctor.” Or whatever! I really wanted to know more! It was like they said things but never explained them!

[@LiaDuby]

season 3B is the season I end up randomly re-watching even without binging the whole show as a whole. Dylan O'Brien already carried most of the show as it is, but in that season? he freaking dominated it. it truly showed how good of an actor he is and I WISH they could give him a role with as much depth, charisma & ambiguity as stiles in 3B.

[@NatsumiMichi]

I can never get enough of people praising 3B. That thing blew my mind back then, I was watching the show more like a guilty pleasure, it was kinda on crack and I loved it...and then 3B rolled in and I was like, WHAT?! WTF is this epicness doing in my werewolf crack show?! Just watching the bits you added in makes me want to rewatch it right now and it's 2AM and I can't- In the same spirit, I can also never get enough of people shitting on 6B :D

[@grafixxrecords2188]

6B was terrible though especially considering the villain was way too overly powerful despite being a human, and what's worse they let her get away at the end of the season, heck they killed off Gerald one of if not the most dangerous characters in the entire series, but this nobody gets away?

[@caitlinmartin7614]

@@grafixxrecords2188 isnt the 6b villain the anuk-ite? which isn’t human?

[@grafixxrecords2188]

@@caitlinmartin7614 that was the main obstacle of the season but hardly a main villain, it was that teacher woman, she's so forgettable I forgot her name

[@caitlinmartin7614]

@@grafixxrecords2188are you talking about the hunter woman that was a counselor at the highschool? if so LMAOOOO RIGHT i don't even remember her name either i really didn't care for her character at all in the slightest she actually irritated me

[@grafixxrecords2188]

@@caitlinmartin7614 same here, and whats worse they allowed her to survive, Scott and his pack have taken on way more powerful and experienced villains and they want to tell me they get outwited by a guidance counselor who became a hunter out of coincidence? That's why I hate the whole concept of Scott not killing that's what makes him look so weak, imagine if he did kill a lot more villains would've feared him

[@tgs9929]

As a Latine/Hispanic guy, Tyler Posey being the lead character of a fantasy series and played as the "all-american jock" meant a lot to me.

[@opmike7483]

What's Latine?

[@sandrocamborda1086]

@@opmike7483 Its a gender-neutral term for latino/latina. I find it strange since the term latino already is genderneutral

[@shinefairy4516]

Tyler posey is very white passing through.

[@michellequiroz5496]

@@sandrocamborda1086 what part of "latino", a word that ends with an O which is exclusively used to indicate masculine traits of stuff, people, etc, is gender neutral 😐

[@aewarriors]

@@michellequiroz5496 It means that you don't know anything of Spanish grammar. Almost every word that ends in 'o' like Latino, todos, chicos and more can are both masculine and neutral, it just depends in the context that is being used. When you are talking about a group of people with both genders then you use Latino, todos, chicos, etc. And you are also talking about only a group of boys you also use Latino, todos, chicos, etc. That gender that ends in 'e' is not accepted by the official grammar and dictionary book "La RAE". This is why people need to learn the genders of the words because the language is already created and it works a certain way for a reason.

[@juliacudney]

i think we need to hold a formal debate about stydia

[@juliacudney]

and isaac while we're at it!

[@cgm530]

@@juliacudney PLEASE. this isaac slander is hurting me 😔

[@victoriaklein994]

OMG pleaseee, I'd love to see you two together discuss the show podcast style!

[@friendlyspaceninja]

I'm down!!

[@friendlyspaceninja]

@@victoriaklein994 That sounds incredibly fun!

[@camouflagedreality8006]

I disagree with your point that Gerard could have just asked Derek for the bite. Derek was a minor when Gerard's daughter who was an adult manipulated him and essentially groomed him to get information from him so she could kill his entire family. Derek has a massive grudge against the Argents, he isn't going to do anything to help that family. His entire life is ruined because of them and to top it all off he blames himself for trusting Kate.

[@camouflagedreality8006]

also Derek does turn into a "full wolf" later in the series, I'm pretty sure just before it happens everyone thinks his dead

[@HoaxProd]

If you like teen wolf check out my KZbin channel !

[@lolski792]

@@camouflagedreality8006 didnt he mean peter with the full wolf? but scott did have a time when he almost transform into that. Also he helped alison a bunch, he dont hate the whole family just her after he learned the truth

[@janekof]

yeah, i thought it made sense gerard would want to make a dumb kid become alpha because then he can manipulate a bite from said dumb teenager more sucessfully than any other werewolf alpha. And at the time Scott was considered a "lone wolf" without a pack. I think season 2 and 3a establish that Scott can have a pack where the members aren't just werewolf and it signals others that he shouldnt be considered a lone wolf.

[@thylionheart]

Yeah Derek probably would’ve realized Gerard was dying and been like, “good, I hope it’s slow and painful”

[@rheableu5494]

My problems with Teen Wolf Inabaility to focus on a core group of interesting main characters, kept adding unnecessary people that no one cared about Inability on focus on werewolves/werewolf lore, kept adding new weird creatures into the mix. The show actually stopped being about teen wolves! Complete lack of character development around Derek Hale and his family Oversexualisation of kids

[@phoebe8579]

this is so true. i feel like when you compare it to how extensively the vampire diaries developed vampire lore, they’re lack of emphasis on werewolf lore is particularly evident. the new weird creatures too really annoyed me too like were coyotes? really?

[@bug8357]

The New characters imo are the best, my favorite cast is from season 4-6. (Stiles being my favorite). The newer cast is so much better than season 1-2 cast. Also they are not "Kids' they are teens, and teens are sexual beings. This is a teen show. Of course it would have stuff that teens can relate to. I never really cared about derek or his family, i only really liked Peter from his family.

[@rheableu5494]

@@bug8357 I just wish they just stuck to one group and developed them. I get they are they teens, I just felt like they were all adults in their 30s trying to pull off being young and cool lol.

[@ariyatabassumabdullah1143]

@@bug8357 eh malia and kira were promising but were still handled in lackluster ways. liam was okay, mason was cool but basically stiles 2.0, mason's bf was bleugh and hayden has little to no impact.

[@cthulhutheendless1587]

@@bug8357 -“Teens are sexual beings” _um, FBI…_

[@QuestionableLifeChoices]

i'm halfway convinced that scott's dad is only there so that melissa could tell scott that she kept his name after the divorce because it was scott's, too. that was such a beautiful little scene. honesly, mama mccall and papa stiles might be some of the best TV parents

[@ceciliahartmeyer3234]

I’m still upset Melissa McCall and Noah Stilinski never became a couple. They had such great chemistry. I shipped them so hard. Like imagine them getting married and stiles and Scott being BROTHERS 🥺

[@maddimagpie]

The one thing I will say about Isaac is that while he wasn't an amazing character, I was really liking the arc between him and Allison's dad. Chris Argent literally swaps alliances, even though he loses his whole family in the process, while Isaac's dad dies and he's essentially orphaned in the middle of his transition to being a werewolf. They spend all this time together in season 3, and there was a wonderful potential for them to be such an unlikely but amazing father-son type duo, and then we just...didn't see Daniel Sharman again. I was pretty disappointed.

[@fatherjudy]

i agree completely i was heartbroken when chris came back in season 4, alone. like damnnnn i really wanted to hear about their trip to europe

[@ia490]

this!!

[@RIPmichael22]

I love Isaac.. and mr argent and their relationship 😆 also heartbroken

[@jbear3478]

I love Isaac, he is a good guy. I feel like everyone adopts him and he's so grateful

[@blaznskais2048]

Personally one of my big grips with this show and a lot of shows/ movies of the 2010s was that it was annoyingly, visibly dark. I would have to black out my room and turn my screen up to full brightness and I still couldn’t make out a lot of what was going on. Which kinda defeats the whole point of being a visual media. I can’t appreciate things like sets, make up and effects if I can’t see anything because of either the lack of lighting or the annoying grey/brown filter over every other scene. Penny Dreadful was great, dark, horror drama put part of why I loved it is because I could actually see what was going on.

[@celine_3b]

Someone finally said it, thank u. Especially in places where its supposed to be light like in TVD ,the hospitals were always really dark which is not realistic, but in TW it was lighter in the hospitals.

[@dzintars8034]

Could be because of budgeting issues, the cgi was already pretty iffy to be honest, if every shot was well lit and you could see everything it would've been a lot worse in my opinion, i think it's just clever camera work

[@colt9836]

Honestly, I would've loved if there was an episode where the crew actually bring it up because there's a creature that uses darkness/is strengthened by shadows/etc.

[@kathrynhoward4196]

You're not wrong. For quite a lot of the clips I've seen on KZbin (which accounts for everything I've ever seen of the show), I have to turn off the lights and bump up the brightness on my phone. It's annoying.

[@amandasnider2644]

Lol, HANNIBAL

[@sabahk]

I don't think Jackson's hatred to scott is random. He's clearly jealous. Scott's not just suddenly good at lacrosse, he's also suddenly more popular including attention from his GIRLFRIEND (lydia). So I think he's just supposed to be that popular guy that wants to be the centre of attention and always the best. He's your typical high school bully that is insecure himself. He doesn't like it when people are better than him at anything. Something tells me if he stuck around we'd get background on why he acts like that (probably parents neglect). I liked how at the end of season 2, his relationship with lydia is what humanizes him, reminds you that he's a real person with real feelings. Was he an amazing character? no. but he did what he needed to do

[@Peachiebun]

Exactly! Also his character motivations was basically summed up by the monster he turned in to! The only way you turn into that monster is if you have bad and underlining issues with yourself when getter bitten. It was an internal battle because every battle was one sided with him. Jackson was so jealous and insecure it turned him in to a slimy, mean, and cold person to everyone including Lydia which is why he turned into the lizard monster, Kanima! Then later when he finally over came and accepted who we was, he turned into the werewolf he wanted to be!

[@jaywolfe3613]

It's not parents neglect, I think they actually touched on this a bit in random scenes. It's basically because he had too high of an expectation of himself when he found out he was adopted (his parents loved him, and his bio parents died in a car accident when he was still in the womb, they had to cut him out), if I remember correctly...I haven't watched teen wolf in a while to remember if this is true or if I've read this somewhere tho

[@nicole_1747]

I also liked finding out that Jackson had insecurities over being adopted during the parent-teacher conferences in season 1. They fleshed him out well enough that you were invested in his well-being during the kanima season, even while he was still the resident asshole. My friend had a great theory that Malia's "Peter is your biological father" storyline was originally intended for Jackson.

[@sabahk]

yall I wont lie I totally forgot that he was adopted like man maybe I need to rewatch teen wolf lmao

[@sabahk]

@@nicole_1747 I like that theory. Don't get me wrong I love malia but I don't think she needed to be peter's daughter it didn't really fit. I wish Jackson had stayed on for longer so his character could've been really fleshed out

[@Emmuzka]

I loved the show way back when. As dumb as it was, it was so hooking. Young Dylan O'brien, emotionally realistic parent relationships, sterek gay bating, wanting to actually know what will happen, the cheesy werewolf alpha lore... For an addicting teen series, the first four seasons were perfect.

[@Max1990Power]

yeah I watched this and supernatural. was hooked on the supernaturaö theme then.

[@jaspertorres6698]

I will never get tired of listening to people talk about how hard 3b slapped. I rewatched it this year, (just that season nothing else) and it still held up so fucking well it’s insane. Experiencing that season week to week when it was airing is a high I will be chasing for the rest of my life.

[@cutiepiemania45]

watching it live yelling when Stiles became void Stiles. SHOCKED TO MY CORE. I used to sit on the phone watching with my friend and I think we both screamed it was insane. And the entire time I was like no don't fuck with Stiles, but after I was just like wow what a gift and how fucking talented is Dylan O'Brien. And then ofc my dramatic ass was mourning Allison's death 😭😂

[@weeaboh]

yo, i remember getting my friends into teen wolf, and when season 3 was airing we would have watch parties at my house every week. it was such a fun time, and i'll never be able to replicate that euphoria of seeing the plot unfold and dylan o'brien becoming a badass. there were many moments where we just straight up were yelling at the TV because of how awesome it was. good times.

[@dannygrande16]

lydia and kira were the best and most interesting characters on this show. i love how they turned lydia from this shallow mean girl and it turned out she’s a literal genius, and is actually a very good person. and her banshee powers were one of the best additions to the mythology in this show, i loved how she ended up being able to use them defensively in the later seasons. and kira was such a charming character you couldn’t help but love. and her being kitsune was soooo cool to me, to see japanese folklore on a mainstream tv show and to have representation for asian people on a prodominantly white show, was so amazing for high school me to see. it’s a shame they wrote her out so lazily and never gave her a proper sendoff.

[@winchesters4life34]

I get what you're saying about kira but.. I hated her and I still hate her. the concept of her character? brilliant, 10/10. kitsune is a super fun mythological creature that I am 100% here for. the execution? I just... I just can't. I watch her in a fight scene and it never fails that two seconds in it's "oops I dropped my sword". every. damn. time. she was fucking USELESS. more useless than stiles, AND HE'S A FUCKING HUMAN. it always felt to me that instead of fleshing out her character as a badass fox spirit warrior, they used her as a replacement love interest for scott because they knew they were killing off Allison at the end of the season. the potential was there, but it never reached the height it should have reached.

[@Andjelka99]

@@winchesters4life34 pretty sure there was some racial sexist undertones with the actress, she wasn't happy how she was treated on set (can't remember if it was just towards her or if it was monetary or mix). She was recurring on Ryan Higa KZbin she's the sweetest.

[@colt9836]

@@Andjelka99 Fyi, it was confirmed by Arden Cho herself that she won't be appearing on the movie because she was going to be payed less. Love that.

[@jbear3478]

Lydia is my favorite character. Kira... I like her, but I don't like her with Scott? But I love that she kicks ass and saves everyone all the time

[@Nimilovesart]

@@winchesters4life34 she wasn't replacing Allision. She's nothing like Allison's character and the relationships were nothing alike. But I agree, I hated the way they lazily wrote her character development was so annoying because I love her so much

[@liampatrick3110]

21:43 The photographer kid wasn't just bullied, he damn-near downed after being thrown into a swimming pool by a bunch of drunken jocks at a party. He was of course rescued by the coach, only to be scolded by said coach for not knowing how to swim. The reason I believe his motive was more complex was because the coach demanded he keep his mouth shut about what happened that night and what everyone had been doing at that party and it haunted him for the rest of his life. Case-in-point, I actually found the photographer to be the most interesting villain in the 2nd season.

[@simonhailom2477]

I found Matt's motivations to be understandable. I mean, the guy was major league cuckoo bird, but it wasn't unwarranted.

[@olotocolo]

Absolutely agree with everything stated here, and honestly hearing him alk about seasons other than 3a-b i wonder if he fell asleep at some point. Photographer kid was way more interesting than angry grandpa

[@babis6919]

The thing with this show is that they always kept talking about how powerful Lydia is and how she could easily kill someone with her powers if she wanted too,yet we only get to see how strong her powers are ONCE and we barely see her fight in the whole show. Most of the time she just stays behind while the rest of the gang steps up to fight. It always bothered me so much when everyone was like "lYdiA,iF yoU leArN hoW To uSe yOur pOwerS,yOu'rE gonNa bE uNstOpPablE" and then when she finally does learn how to use them nothing happens..😐

[@MinqApoc]

Just because she can obliterate everyone and everything, doesn't mean she has to or even wants to. Technically. Yeah i know, writing things for the authors, etc etc. I agree with you, just giving another perspective :)

[@madelinekouassi9884]

Same with Scott honestly, could have been a more powerful alpha

[@thiagocarvalho8630]

@@madelinekouassi9884 I hated how he always lost, but then at the end of the season they just remembered that he was the "true alpha" and he got powerful

[@punsiella]

they tried to make lydia the scarlet witch of the show but all we got was that one sequence in eichen house when she tried to escape (i think, i haven’t watched in a hot minute)

[@robbiesmith8055]

I personally dislike that Lydia becomes a fighter later on. Like Stiles, she wasn't supposed to be an asset to the team because she was handy in a fight. It was her intelligence and her interpretation of her visions that she brought to the table, and I don't like that they tried making her more powerful than she had to be.

[@lottam9972]

Derek and Styles scenes are funny enough to actually just watch them on youtube without rewatching the episodes. Honestly would love to see the two actors in something together again.

[@arcadianmorning]

Same!

[@zxnn8543]

They are really cool with each other in real life. They’re also the only ones from the show who still have a acting career 🤣

[@ceciliahartmeyer3234]

@@zxnn8543 unless you count Cody who plays Theo because he’s killing it in other projects, he has a huge part in all American which is a popular show. Also the guy who played Isaac went on to the originals and some other projects. I know a few other of the actors who’s had other projects but not as notable as the guys who played Derek, Stiles and Theo. Although tbf the actor for Jackson had a good run in arrow for a little while but then it went downhill lol

[@dbl2961]

“He doesn't actually know anything about her he just thinks she's hot” there were many scenes in the early few seasons when he constantly brought up her pretending to be so dumb popular girl. When they go to the dance she was complaining about how she looked and he called her beautiful, she looked genuinely happy to hear someone say that especially with Jackson being such a dick. Their relationship was set up as Lydia being very insecure and hiding her true nature to be popular and Stiles being the only person who understood who she truly was. It was a big part of her character development.

[@rachel5399]

Stydia was ruined after season 3b. They had so many moments, Lydia allowing herself to deserve actual companionship from people who cared about her for her, and not just for her looks, and Stiles realizing that he had to let her be her own individual and not projecting his idealization of her to fulfill his infatuation with her. They grew so much as people and became really good friends. Lydia allowed herself to fall in love again after Jackson, and for this time, with someone who genuily cared for her and who pushed her to be her real self. Stiles had to earn his interactions with her and not think that she owed him time because he had a crush on her. Season 3B had Lydia worrying for Stiles and hinting at how Void Stiles knew of both of their desires to be with one another. Then comes season 4 and NONE of that seems to matter. They go different ways with relationships and it was just really forced. Both characters deserved better writing, better development, and more screentime together.

[@miagabriel4329]

I think had to do with how available the actor for stiles was

[@zxnn8543]

It was never a good ship, lydia ignored a lot of the things he did for her and she didn’t deserve stiles fr. Stalia was better in so many ways and not to mention Lydia kissed every guy on the show. Jackson , Scott , one of the Twins, young Peter , Parrish and the list goes on. People try to shift the blame on stiles like she wasn’t the one picking abusive guys over him and mentally abusing him half the show

[@elizaelise5192]

yes, thank you! I'm an avid stydia fan, but even I can agree that they needed more development. I love slow burn, but their eventual getting together as a couple was just way too rushed

[@ceciliaslepmet4840]

Stydia was always bad

[@gooddreams8495]

@@zxnn8543 This man, I like Lydia for other reasons but as a girlfriend, or on how she treat Stiles, she is one of the worst.

[@danidkg4071]

as dumb and brainless as this show could be sometimes, i genuinely think that the first three seasons were actually pretty good in comparison to most teen shows. yes, it was fun to watch and nonsensical at times (esp the season 2 finale plottwist imo), but one thing i loved to see in the earlier seasons, was how certain elements of the story that would be relevant later on were planted in the first few episodes and brought back later. or when characters went through major arcs, they didn't just last for a few episodes. when lydia is bitten by peter and goes through a series of hallucinations in season 2, we don't just immediately learn "oh she's a banshee so that's why she's like that", no we get some build up and see how the bite has affected her. the first two seasons were very simple and that just gave the writers more room to work with personal conflicts between characters and foreshadowing for later seasons. even if the plot was cheesy and weird at times, it wasn't too cheesy to not be genuinely engaging in my opinion. the writers just wanted to make something interesting and fun and honestly, i wish other teen show writers had the same mentality.

[@antonizajkowski9698]

Yes, the first 3 seasons were character-driven, not drama-driven

[@colt9836]

"WHERE are, YoU getting, YOuR jUicE?" "My mom does all the grocery shopping." Ngl, I laughed at that. And Jackson's face is perfect. Just embrace it lmao. Bayonetta is completely ridiculous and over-the-top, yet people love it. Why not the same with shows?

[@KoiinuNe]

Hoechlin's character was totally underutilized. they could have focused more on him, as a born wolf, and Scott interacting. him more as a mentor, giving us more werewolf mythos and even just how to function more around humans (mundane stuff) and how a pack works together. but Davis wanted him as a foil to Scott and he just went so far in the other direction, that Derek literally appeared to fail at being a wolf more than the bitten wolf. agree with Allison, she just went from sweet to kill happy way too fast. Lydia and Stiles had chemistry but them ending up together was such fanservice.

[@xstarsystemsx]

i'm still in awe how much Hoechlin could inject into Derek's character while getting very little to work with. Derek had so much potential! it is such a shame he didn't get better storylines. He is by far my favourite character and pretty much all of that is thanks to Hoechlin. (and only some of it is thanks to his pretty face lol)

[@wellthisisinteresting4912]

The writers did a piss poor job writing Derek but Tyler is a very good actor so you just end up liking Derek. He is actually Superman in the show Superman and Lois now hahaha. he's a really good actor! We really didn't get to see that in Teen Wolf lmao

[@dhruvbharija172]

Lydia and stiles had no chemistry

[@Bollywoodlover100]

yeah i could never like allison that much because the writing for her was meh. derek deserved more he alongside stiles, lydia, and kira were the most interesting of the series

[@jbear3478]

I think there's good buildup though. Small things between Lydia and Scott and a lot of innocent physical affection like holding her while they hide from the death doctors, holding her after he saves her leg from that animal trap. It's just cute I love them together

[@carmelr5504]

Ahahaha yes Sterek all the way! Just gonna quickly point out that you say at the start that no one talks about becoming a full wolf after season 1.. but Derek literally turns into one when he 'dies'/evolves at the end of the Kate/Mexico storyline, and they show in a flashback that his mum was one too. Admittedly, it's not super memorable, but yeah it does briefly come back. Also in the glory of season three I gotta talk about the flare/suicide scene and that whole conversation that Scott and Stiles have outside Motel California because holy shit. That scene I think will always stay with me, it's so beautifully and heartbreakingly executed.

[@PotatoLoverHere]

Hey! Stiles didn't do nothing in 3A, okay. He grew hair. That's very important. Took him 2 seasons. We should all be proud of him.

[@anninaninana1070]

Jackson & ethan returning in the last (?) season as a couple had me HOWLING in laughter. That was so random lmao

[@SavioByrczak]

but it was cute tho :3

[@rbcbcs]

all I could thought was how Lydia and Jackson has a similar taste for man lol

[@mochiyeosang1908]

​@@rbcbcsWAIT

[@parisewellington3664]

It didn't even make sense but I didn't care😂 they were cute

[@missourigreen051]

I remember back in 2017 when I first saw that(that was when it originally aired) I didn't like it, but only because it goes against Jeff Davis explanantion about the show. I remember someone asked why there is a lot of gay stuff on the show, and he responded that the show takes place in a parrelell universe where homophobia doesn't exist, and that is why there is younger gay characters on the show because if homophobia doesn't exist then they don't need to worry about getting their parents permission. A lot of gay people in real life come out at a much later age because of homophobia, and I like the idea of a world where homophobia doesn't exist, an extra reason why I like the show(and it also shows that homosexuality is more natural then homophobia). So when they reveal in the last season that Jackson is really gay this whole time, then that means he was pretending to be straight in the first 2 seasons of the show, which goes against what the creator of the show said about the world the show takes place in.

[@blaszaczka]

Season 3B was an absolute gem. Dylan O'Brien is a worldwide tresure.

[@xilj4002]

I liked Gerard's convoluted messed up weird plan. We went from "grief turned him evil" to "wait, he's using this so he can take control and start a war without women being in the way" to "frick me, now his daughter makes sense" (she seduced a child to burn said child's family)

[@kichikitsu]

God, same 😭 Gerard is undoubtedly Fucking Insane and I love it. Talia was right when she said Gerard would never accept a peace summit and yet, Duecalion went anyways and got so traumatized he became a villain of 3a and the notorious alpha of the alpha pack. Gerard carries around a broadsword for disemboweling people and is a master manipulator that knows how to use fear to inspire genocide. Absolute batshit old man that really explains how his family turned out .. like That.

[@radwamohamed_]

I just love how everyone in the comments and space ninja agrees that season 3 especially 3b is the best season. I wish that the writers didn't get rid of Kira, she was an interesting character. Also, void stiles is the best villain in the entire show. Allison's death shattered my heart, so did the twin. The writers should have done a funeral scene for Allison.

[@BillyVell]

I think Jackson wanted to be a werewolf just for the power and cause it seemed cool. We have some scenes like the one of him looking in the mirror and making a bite lol. I actually always found that a very interesting and realistic plot point: If people, especially teenagers, found out about super-powered creatures like werewolfs, a lot would probably find it cool and want to become one rather than just the usual "that is wrong and shouldn't exist!" (which is also represented in the show).

[@NorthernShinigami]

Plus Jackson had sort of a prolonged mental breakdown discovering he's adopted. You know why rich kids bully nerds? 'cause sometimes they get 'high' on their status-power - Jackson's was rich, athletic, good-looking, has powerful lawyer parents who gave him everything and spoiled him and nourished the 'rich cool jock jerkass' behavior thinking he's above anyone else, he's used to being at the top, always under the spotlight. Then one day he discovers he's adopted - and his life come crushing down - because he suddenly realizes he's just some unnamed baby his folks adopted. Now that's not true, we know who his parents were and why they died, but for Jackson it's like his entire life, his family, has been a lie. Then there's Scott, the nerdy kid, who comes out of nowhere and takes his captain spotlight by becoming co-captain. Scott is the rising star now, not him and Jackson can't stand it. The whole Kanima plot happened to Jackson because he had trouble with reidentifying his own identity as an adopted kid. Maybe becoming a werewolf was like... trying to regain some of the power he thought he lost - like creating his own power.

[@jbear3478]

I was so over his werewolf obsession I couldn't take it

[@yvieoluoch66]

This fits so true when you check out tiktok right now. The amount of teens following trends fits the psychological image they displayed for Jackson's character.

[@handleless986]

I like to think he was on his way to becoming a furry

[@dantheman759]

Still the part of the 3b season where stiles is playing go with the nogitsune in the different dimension was genius, showing that stiles wasn’t scared or concerned but rather knowing they were playing for control of his body. Showing us that it’s an equal playing field rather then knowing one side had more control than the other. It was very brilliant.

[@keigoftw]

"Bullied when he was 9"! Did you leave the explanation of his motives running while you went to the bathroom?! He was nearly drowned, he almost died, got victim blamed for it and then the people involved swore an oath of silence so it would be his word against there's if he ever spoke up. He could tell no one, didn't get any therapy because of it & had to see these same people all the time from then on and act normal. And as you said, he was nine!

[@skylaralley2465]

Popular Opinion: teen wolf season 3b is one of the greatest supernatural shows’ seasons of all time

[@rae3781]

Oh it definitely is.

[@crispytreegentleman]

So true

[@daalimbe]

trueee

[@jessiehills9764]

Unpopular?

[@lelomosia4640]

void stiles baby, void stiles

[@kamakazines4901]

Watching the writing slowly evolve from bad to Dylan O'Brien fan club is hilarious to me. It's like Buffy, if nothing made sense, and Xander started randomly getting all the best plotlines.

[@fiocg2450]

'Dylan O'Brien fan club'

[@reyfan011]

I usually don’t like new characters in shows that become new love interests but I loved Kira. I wasn’t upset Scott wasn’t with Allison anymore because I liked him and Kira together. And I loved her arc with her fighting and her kitsune background I loved it and she was a breath of fresh air

[@pleaseenterusernamehere]

same, but that might also be me being biased(?) because she's asian like me and i rarely see asian women in supernatural shows like teen wolf lol

[@ceciliahartmeyer3234]

I love Kira in the beginning but the writers fucked up her character. I didn’t like her and Scott together though because they had zero chemistry honestly I felt Kira had more chemistry with Malia but maybe that’s just me 😂😅

[@winchesters4life34]

am I the only one who hates her? she was just so useless. she dropped her katana literally two seconds into every fight scene she was in. it was infuriating!

[@mojishu]

@@ceciliahartmeyer3234 My thoughts exactly. Her and Scott are so unbelievably boring together. This might be because I’m severely asexual, but their scenes together made me cringe. Tbh I feel like Scott doesn’t have chemistry with any of the girls they paired him with. Malia and Kira, on the other hand, would have been awesome to see in canon.

[@lilypad2714]

@@mojishusameee, I’m also ace and I love slow burn couples (I mostly ship Stiles and Lydia bc of that) and hate the love at first sight stuff because I just don’t get it, I need to know someone so those kind of relationships don’t really have that much impact for me

[@lollygameables4667]

Fun fact: The darker tone of the show is what the writer of the original movie wanted but studios wouldn't have it so he had to rework the story to be more family friendly and comedic. I actually loved seeing the show as it gave me a view into how the original creator envisioned his story.

[@michaelj1729]

My thoughts on Teenwolf: The family dynamic/parent and kid interactions in this show are great with Scott's mom, Stiles dad, Allison's dad, Lydia's mom and the Yukimura family. I have always been dissapointed on how the writers treated Isaac and Kira giving them unfinished storylines when they could be so much more especially Kira it was even portrayed that shes a powerful addition to the pack. They focused too much on having Scott a love team for every season when he couldve been better off single after Allison died. And YES FINALLY someone mentions the fact that the Lydia/Stiles ship was too forced and bland i never saw the hype of it. Lydia was better off with Parish even if hes boring af.

[@devanytorres7457]

Okay but NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT MALIA AND SCOTT? :c like wHAT

[@user-xq4ub7qr7t]

Yes finally some said it!

[@user-xq4ub7qr7t]

@@devanytorres7457 I just prefer to forget that it ever happend

[@alessandrofedericogobber5634]

@@devanytorres7457 Talking about realtionships in this series, I am one of the few people who did not like Scott and Malia together in season 6. It just felt wrong for them to suddenly develop an attraction towards one another when Scott and Kira didn't really break up. Yes she had to leave with the Skinwalkers to learn how to control her powers but Scott and Kira were close, REALLY close, like the kind of close that he and Allison were before their breakup and up until then the show established that breakups (excluding maybe Lydia, who spent the beginning of 3A hooking up with whoever) take time to process; to me it felt like Scott was sorta cheating and that felt really out of character.

[@devanytorres7457]

@@alessandrofedericogobber5634 You're absolutely right, and like he mentioned in this video Kira never got the story line she deserved 😭

[@Companion92]

What I always liked about this show, is that some of the parents of these teens are important characters and we see them interact in positive ways. Like Stiles' dad, Alison's dad and Scott's mum

[@calsh14]

My main problems with Teen Wolf: -Getting rid of Kira, Danny, Boyd, Issac, and Erica for stupid ass reasons and never bringing them back to give them complete stories -Them not attempting monster of the week episodes in order to properly develop the characters -No development of Derek Hale's family -Werewolf lore is completely forgotten about -The Vampire Diaries problem of not graduating these students in the early seasons and throwing them into the real world -The final season didn't need to be two parts

[@carlosmyb844]

i hated how we learned that kira is extremely powerful and if she learns to control it she could potentially be unstoppable and then she’s sent on this mission to never be seen again? but if kira does come back in the movie i guess it works out since hopefully there’s a somewhat timejump then they decided to reveal that danny knows about the supernatural and he’s never seen again? i think he wouldve been a better benefactor they honestly could’ve used hatred or jealousy that all of his friends we’re supernatural and he wasn’t or something like that. issac was absent because daniel went to play on ‘The Originals’ for a season and he decided to leave teen wolf behind. i heard that he was embarrassed of his character and decided not to return which i don’t blame him to be honest after season 2 (at the start) he only had a storyline after that he was just in derek or scott’s pack and then allison’s boyfriend in season 3 i could potentially see him returning for the movie hopefully as he did tell jeff to not kill isaac off incase he did want to return to the role and the actor for erica got a role somewhere for CW and they killed her off but the show got cancelled so that’s unfortunate

[@InsanxtyMSG]

I completely agree. I really wanted to learn more about the Hale's and werewolf lore as a whole and i think they dropped the ball with not exploring it more. But Danny!!!! We were supposed to see him more and they even hinted at him becoming an important character (i forget when but they definitely did at the end of 3b) and then he just never showed back up!!

[@calsh14]

@@InsanxtyMSG with the Danny thing, they did the same thing to him that they did to Arden, didn't tell him he wasn't coming back 🙃

[@friendlyspaceninja]

I support all of these!

[@InsanxtyMSG]

@@calsh14 oh I h a t e that 😀

[@GuyPaddock]

As for Allison's death -- it may have turned into a marketing strategy, but her death wasn't the _result_ of marketing. Crystal Reed wanted to leave, told them at the start of the season, and they wrote it in. *Then* MTV ran with it. Allison's last words weren't even in the script like that but they ran with it.

[@Howdarethekitty]

The lack of Respect for Coach and Stiles interactions is crossing the line.

[@giuliana401]

How good was Dylan O'brien's performance in season 3B shows his amazing potential. You can see how his character slowly deteriorates as the nogitsune takes control of his mind. And when the villain finally becomes him and we see two Stiles... That's a masterpiece. His acting is just way too good for TW itself (I love the show, is one of my favourites, but that part is beyond anything). Jeff Davis found a hidden gem with Dylan

[@najhoant]

I didn't watch the whole series, but one thing I remember liking about it was that they never took the obvious route and brought in vampires and instead introduced new werewolves, original villains or new versions of lesser known monsters

[@Bosoye]

Speaking of the way they treated Arden Cho In the new reboot that they are making, they didn't want to give her the same amount of money as the remaining leads and she had to leave. It's just not cool.

[@UnCarcajou]

20:55 There I have to disagree. No way Derek would have willingly given the bite to a hunter, even worse an Argent, and Kate's father no less. However yeah, there are tons of other less convoluted ways Gerard could have gotten the bite

[@titolouisesoren2635]

I know right?! I had to rewind at first to check if I heard right because ???!!!!! I mean Kate killed his entire family, Chris and his wife fucking set him up and mutilated his sister's body and he wasn't able to get a proper place before they went to France and stopped putting so much surveillance and pressure on him. And that's not even talking about how Chris antagonized him in S1 and how hid wife tried to kill him and Scott. Also even Allison went out of her way to get him killed. You're telling me that Derek after all this would just say "Oh man you're dying? Of course you can join my Pack, bestie! It's not like every member of your family tried to kill me, and i just watched you cut an Omega in half the other night! 😁👍" Also, it's kind of obvious that he doesn't care about Derek. He said that they showed Laura as a full wolf and that it never appeared again in the show when the highlight of S4 was Derek evolving and getting his full wolf transformation 😅😅

[@morgannaribeiro3878]

Yes!! Also, can we addres how Scott totally betrayed him and forced him into biting Gerard fucking ARGENT? Derek's body autonomy was violated in that show so many times and not once anyone cared about it

[@titolouisesoren2635]

@@morgannaribeiro3878 THANKS Yes totally. Also I'm surprised this wasn't addressed here the fact that Scott did this? He manipulated Derek into making him believe that he joined his pack. He could have let him in on the plan and maybe he would have cooperated. But Scott just felt entitled to do this. Also Derek is presented as a self serving character?! Which I'm sorry but he's not? In the first episode he got Allison out of harm's way even though she the niece of the woman who killed his entire family? And her parents just mutilated his sister's body to bait him and he still protected her. He's portrayed as an adult creep. Derek was initially written as a 19 years old. It's in the script of S1. He looks creepy for sure but people forget that he's surveying children who were given the bite and still don't know how to control it? JD just freaked out about the Kate backstory and how old Derek was when it happened but whatever it still remains statutory rape? It doesn't matter if he was 13 or 16. He was totally taken advantage of by Kate when he was still a child.

[@titolouisesoren2635]

@@morgannaribeiro3878 also yeah about Derek's body autonomy. Kate Jennifer Scott and even Stiles in S1 to convince Danny and of course the show writers for sexualizing his trauma 🙃

[@morgannaribeiro3878]

@@titolouisesoren2635 dude let's be friends, I like how you think

[@emackenzie]

A note on Scott vs Stiles killing someone in self-defense, Theo was manipulating the situation to make it seem So Much Worse and drive them apart. I dont remember the scene exactly but I think he was saying Stiles hit him with his wrench and just kept hitting him in anger even after he'd died, which would definitely be more brutal and harder for Scott to get past than what actually happened. Though even with that it felt weird to me that Scott wouldn't even hear Stiles out LMAO they could have made it more compelling

[@paularep]

For real, this half truth thing was so annoying, teen wolf had been stupid in the past but not that kind of stupid, that misunderstanding seemed like something that happens on an episode of a Disney show

[@luissimoes2645]

@@paularep I disagree I do think it was overall well done and planted with Theo being a master manipulator. But I can see why you think like that. It was a nice concept and could have way better executed but I still think it was pretty good.

[@emackenzie]

@@luissimoes2645 yeah I really liked the concept behind it but the execution itself kind of made it fall flat. Scott barely letting Stiles get a word of explanation in when he's been his #1 longer than the beginning of the show was a real "wait wtf" that took me out of the tension

[@xphiler06]

@@emackenzie Seriously. If anyone told me my childhood best friend had brutally killed someone, I would have immediately doubted it or suspected a severely brutal lead-up to that response (as in, the desperation of fear and self-defense). In any confrontation, my questions would be pointed and leading to make it clear I'm asking for why it happened, and any justifiable explanation. And Stiles offering nothing by way of self-defense in his explanation and saying he had to and that the guy had threatened his father? Terrible dialogue. While that could all be things to would be throwing out in explanation, that being the only things he says? The writing in that scene is excruciatingly bad and unnatural in trying to force the misunderstanding. I hate it so much.

[@emackenzie]

@@xphiler06 the way they both painfully danced around specifics ("but the WAY you did it" *fails to elaborate*) was so hard to get through, I was so excited for some drama but it was done so poorly

[@machodgdon]

I’ll go on record when I say seasons 1-3 of Teen Wolf were peak fiction, culminating in one of the best written and acted villains brought to screen in Void Stiles. Now season 4-6 I can’t speak for

[@BL-hw4mn]

Void!Stiles was amazing. Dylan O’Brien’s talent is underrated.

[@bug8357]

3-6 are my favorite in the series.

[@BunchyPanther42]

4-6 is good but nothing can beat 1-3

[@astoldbynickgerr]

As for seasons 4-6………… even the crickets are silent 👀

[@rexmon2592]

SO FUCKING TRUE SEASON 1-3 ESPECIALLY SEASON 3 ARE PEAK FICTION

[@jean14256]

It sucks that the bonds between the core characters take a backseat in the later seasons, because seasons 1-3 really leaned into the idea of building a pack, using the cheesey cliche of friends as family but adding a supernatural element to it that really was the heart of the show, even implying (then abandoning) the idea that Stiles as a human is still connected to the pack in some way. I never watched past season 4, but it seems to me that the show was basically dead when they felt they needed to bring in "the next generation" to take over instead of just adding one or two characters to flesh out the pack and focusing on their dynamics and drama. At that point they should have just planned a strong final season so it ended on a bang instead of a whimper.

[@peytoncooley8778]

Kira was my favorite character and they did her so dirty😭like she could’ve perfectly replaced the whole Allison left, not only as a character but she also had a family that had supernatural ties like the Argents. But they just side lined her after season 3 to make room for characters people didn’t even like.

[@debs9936]

Also the whole kistune storyline was sooooo cool I was genuinely invested in it only for them to get rid of her and that storyline completely...like at least keep the parents so we can learn more abt it yk

[@cutemcneill3017]

EXACTLY MY POINT

[@brook_17]

Same! I loved Kira! I still don't know why they just threw her out of the show. I'm not even gonna they "wrote" her out because it's like they threw her out 😭

[@majinally3527]

they could’ve done so much more with the skin walkers

[@majinally3527]

@@brook_17 they said they didn’t need kira anymore.....yet went and made scott and malia a thing. WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THAT

[@yanggang7]

I completely agree with pretty much all of this - especially how Stiles is the jewel of the show and Dylan O’Brien deserves endless flowers for his performance - but how did this video last for almost an hour and a half and never once mention how gay Teen Wolf was? It briefly talked about the ubiquitous male eye candy, but beyond that things like the constant bi-baiting with Styles, or the inclusion at all of Danny Mahealani (who was, at that time, one of the first openly gay male characters in a teen urban fantasy show) - these things were huge initial drivers of the show’s popularity. And they along with the heavy fan emphasis on shipping were probably the only things that keep the show afloat when it went downhill post S3B. That said, this was a fun walk down memory lane. Maybe I should go rewatch Teen Wolf.

[@ChocolateRuko]

sterek was huge back then. the writers kept putting stiles with hale women such as cora or malia because they couldnt commit to making sterek canon

[@Naahi95]

@@ChocolateRuko Well considering Stiles' is a minor and Derek a full grown adult, it was probably for the best.

[@spence98]

yes no sterek mention ?! that was my anchor to the show

[@jaernihiltheus7817]

The show also has multiple gay bar scenes, male pole & cage dancing, gay porn actor cameos, and drag queens. And that's all just within the first 3 seasons, not to mention how many guy on guy moments there are - both in the foreground as well as the background. Once you look for it you'll find that damn near every party scene has at least one pair of shirtless dudes going at it in the background with almost as much background screen time as the main cast get. The show is gayer than Drag Race, depending on what episode you're watching.

[@astoldbynickgerr]

@@jaernihiltheus7817 if only there was sapphic representation other than the two sapphics on the camping trip and one of them died 😭

[@Cantrona]

You know what's genuinly awesome about teen wolf? The fanfiction. No, seriously. They take the world and build so much from it to produce genuinely amazing stories set in very cool supernatural worlds.

[@arcadianmorning]

Agree! I've read some absolutely incredible Teen Wolf Fan Fiction that is just as good if not better than some bestselling novels I've read. Some really talented writers out there that developed the characters and the Teen Wolf world better than the show ever did!

[@gooddreams8495]

@@arcadianmorning is it? could you give me some recommendation?

[@SammyRiver1003]

@@gooddreams8495 go on ao3, that's where they all are! Just search Teen Wolf and search by either word count (they can be long some easily over 300k words) hits or whatever character pairing you wanna read if you have a preference.

[@cuervus_]

any specific recommendations? i never thought i would ask for fleshed out intense teen wolf fanfiction

[@crushpisces]

@@cuervus_ commenting to return to this lol

[@liz-nn9dp]

also with the peter and the teacher scene in season 3 there’s literally a big fight scene between scott and peter about the whole alpha situation in season 4 with the beserker storyline.

[@silvemkes3161]

What about Erica and Boyd. I hate that Kira left, but did no one else dislike when they cut out Erica and Boyd from the show?

[@joyisntfunny]

Erica dying off screen is one of the biggest crimes this show commits

[@Snixq19]

I was so mad we didn’t get more of Boyd’s character and even though Erica was a very liked character I liked her and her death was so sad to me and Boyd’s and Isaac never coming back and Boyd and Erica’s friendship was so heartwarming

[@Bollywoodlover100]

i stopped watching the show when they did that

[@wasnlos2676]

Agreed, especially since Cora was such an obvious stand-in for Erica. I hated that they killed Erica and Boyd. They could have done so much more with them.

[@flawlix]

Writing off excellent characters with little care was one of the show’s downfalls. Right up there with dropping storylines and retconning lore all over the place.

[@anninaninana1070]

ive never met a person that understood or liked lydias and stiles relationship. i think as friends they are so brilliant and have sm potential and have a special chemistry bc they came a long way to become friends (from stiles having a crush on her as a kid and being the only one to recognize her brilliance and encouraging her to lean more into her nerdy side and lydia softening up) and they have a lot in common under the surface

[@ceciliahartmeyer3234]

Him and Malia made so much more sense

[@lilypad2714]

I actually really liked their relationship tbh, they had witty banter and a good base of a friendship before they got together which I like. I hate the “love at first sight” bullshit so I guess I liked it because it was a slow burn and their chemistry developed onscreen :3

[@aimeewilson4505]

Lydias arc throughout the show is truly one of my favorites of all time and was a good lesson at the time about how shallow people can grow and change. Lydia going from a mean popular girl who dumbs herself down for others to embracing how smart she is and her powers and protecting her friends is truly great character growth and I will defend her (and stiles) until the day I die.

[@bethhazell3878]

Go off!

[@Naahi95]

Lydia and Stiles are honestly the best developed characters imo

[@ariyatabassumabdullah1143]

@@Naahi95 yes stydia for the win

[@AnitaBRZ]

i love stydia as platonic friends but i hate that they end up as a couple

[@LukaWukaWatcher]

Agreed! Another example of this, even though it happens off screen and we don't see any of it, is Jackson. You can tell when he comes back in the final season that he has matured and grown and can express his feelings better. He maintains the snarkiness and extreme self-confidence, but I think he grew just as much as Lydia. It would've been cool to experience it on screen but I like that in the Teen Wolf 'verse, it's shown that people can grow into better people and they aren't stuck as who they were freshman year of high school. I think it's a really important life lesson that people might not have noticed when watching it

[@nataliehernandez4617]

Loved this video and was genuinely surprised that you enjoyed it. The only thing I'd say was missing is imo the relationship between the parents and their kids. It was so great in comparison to so many other teen dramas. Even some of the teachers like coach and his relationship with the kids was so wholesome and funny.

[@HoaxProd]

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