The Strongest Battlegrounds honor system, and why it's kind of dumb.

[@theholygrail]

yap video alert, some parts are censored for peoples privacy and other parts cuz there was a guy with a super bad name that i didnt notice during editing if u don't agree with something i said then leave a comment thank u for 700k subs guyz

[@goobers_my_beloved]

Oohhh

[@evanrichardsungte1868]

Bro this comment is older than the video

[@Xdemon-z8w]

Hi

[@LimiYT.]

Special video of 1k hours played in tsb fr

[@Ljbatkid0801]

5TH!!!

[@Trollmod.]

In a recent ranked fight, I defeating them and their respond was "block spammer." With the luck of the gods, I ended up getting pair with him again and decided to count all the times he blocked vs when I blocked. In the end he blocked a total of 29 times, while I blocked 7 times. He still called me a block spammer.

[@Mellify-]

block spammer

[@blueskyyt84]

LMAO, COMMENT LIKED

[@noah1280]

Biggest ratio lmao

[@thegalantic6986]

No you don't understand you're not allowed to press the f key that's spamming

[@bailoutexists]

mfs when you block their forward dash:

[@kaos3629]

Fun fact: Genos actually has 2 passives. While the obvious passive is his ability to remove cooldowns after landing a finisher, his second passive is to make your opponent yap nonstop about how "unskilled" and "trash" your moveset is

[@Savage-360]

Jokes aside, Genos actually has 5 passives: -Refresh all moves on a finisher kill -Ground evasive damages and stuns opponents -Slightly larger 4th m1 hitbox(?) -Mini uppercut launches opponents slightly higher than normal -Can use moves and stay midair

[@Imprimitevo]

also refreshes cooldowns on the 1st and 2nd Ult moves

[@sqweeeiguessidfkman7999]

@@Savage-360 The mid air moves you're referring to are variants I think, but on all the rest, you are right

[@Gunnin_yadown]

​​@@Savage-360 Those aren't passive abilities. Except the first one ofc.

[@wompwomp1001]

@@Gunnin_yadown the second one is also a passive

[@Zuias]

The community honor system of this game was made by 14 year old's

[@Kaijuchainsaw63]

This true as hell

[@dino0909]

Agreed

[@Someonedefinatelycommentedhere]

FR

[@TheLedum_2]

True😅

[@Poophfij]

Really quite the opposite since most of the game's audience are 9 year olds

[@shoppingcartracer]

i main atomic. for those who don't know, it is a relatively common tech to use your quick slice to start combos as the small little jump backwards can allow you to go directly behind your enemy to negate their block with a very small (yet possible) window to turn around. the amount of hate this one strategy gets because you're starting a combo based on your moveset and not your dash tech is insane.

[@Hoogus]

Yo wait I think a bot copied and pasted ur comment. I just replied to another comment that had these exact words.

[@Jacko-78]

as a fellow atomic main, I found another way to combo extend off deadly cascade which is where you quickly side dash and aim the jump to head right back to your opponent. I dont think its as common, but I would say its more viable.

[@Felxciia]

This is the trues thing every, suddenly we get called "spammers"

[@mgtunmyinttunmyint4544]

i main atomic even tho i rely too much on counter

[@The_Second_Player]

the one shot move is so difficult to dodge...

[@DoggoDeAdidas]

If you attack, you are a "spammer", if you backdash, you are a "runner", if you block, you are a "block spammer", if you win, they say "trash", "ez" or anything, if you dont use Saitama or Garou, you "suck at the game". This is the "reality".

[@kurtcobainmiral6819]

Too real

[@MikePainstill]

Salty ones stay salty.

[@DoinkDeetus]

Your comment was stolen by a bot then ratio'd by it

[@DoggoDeAdidas]

@@DoinkDeetus bruh.

[@L-e-s-s]

That just sounds like another trashy toxic player, usually ain’t good either

[@skibidisigmaghosy]

i genuinely respect every opinion made in this video. Im a metal bat main and whenever i go against someone and i win just because i used the same combo many times, they call me a spammer. Its not spamming, its just a mechanic in the game. Same exact thing with other characters, people will call you a runner for being too far or a sweat/no life if you just do good and catch them in a actual good combo. Im glad someone took notice of this. (Also, if anyone wants the combo i do mainly here it is: dash (optional) 4 m1s (or 3 m1s and a downslam) foul ball, walk foward a bit (or do a quick side dash) beatdown into 3 m1s and a downslam, then homerun into a grand slam (if you get the variant just do a couple m1s and im pretty sure it kills them?) and then a down slam while they're down. No problem.)

[@Rose-of-Willow]

pov: you used a game mechanic (you are a sinner)

[@nerfcollector1337]

facts, man

[@norrisbrothersgaming4283]

I’m maroil atrtest main and the same thing happens to me whith my inf combo

[@Cypher20i3]

@@norrisbrothersgaming4283 you made a slight spelling mistake its Martial Artist

[@Yesna]

He should have talked about how the slow m1s suck so much in this game. Because of the combat being so simple and similar. Basically the fastest m1 trade wins against better players so metal bat both having the worst m1 speed and base moveset makes most only use him for the ult which people get mad about. In ranked matches too which makes no sense since his passive is extra ult and it's a part of the game

[@Player6958]

I have to give props for you holygrail, finally someone who broke it all down and made all those foolish people realize that saying "spammer" "runner" etc. is just them incorrectly fighting against your own style. I could be wrong

[@Ihatedumbasses]

it depends because if someone is just running away from you and then using their ranged moves to slowly kill you then its annoying

[@schrodingerscat2133]

@@Player6958 there’s a reason why cowardly play styles are hated, but that rarely ever applies to those considered “runners”.

[@E-Bot99]

You are wrong 💀, even if your not running and playing passive your still weird

[@KarmicID]

@@E-Bot99 so everyone's weird?

[@LitaretheLad-o4v]

@@KarmicID if everyone's weird then everyone's not weird instead consider normal since everyone is equal

[@drcjtonkin]

Tsb honour system Don’t use ult mid fight Don’t run Don’t use spammy characters Don’t spam Don’t be toxic Don’t spam Don’t spam block Don’t use op moves Don’t use combos Don’t front dash Don’t side dash Don’t use moves Don’t move Don’t win Don’t let your opponent lose Don’t play the game

[@Sunkenplex]

the only rules i abide by are “if it works it works” and “dont be a toxic annoyance”

[@SillyGooberMobileAccount]

this is something IMPOSSIBLE in tsb

[@MyOnlySunshineDear]

90% of the tsbg community dont follow "dont be toxic"

[@Jjjiiiughjfghjgfyu]

Nah it’s actually Don’t use moves Don’t block Don’t combo Don’t use any character besides saitama and garou Don’t win

[@boxtiger-u5d]

I dare someone to do this.

[@Lumina1234]

i dont know if im considered these people but some people do what i consider "annoying running" which is when they use NO m1s, NO techs, NO blocks and just use their abilities then run when they use them all and wait for cooldown to finish then just repeat it.

[@BarkBark790]

its kinda like rock paper sissors. saitama, can cook garou because of his ult, but he gets cooked by a passive sonic. However, a garou, who has a counter, can cook a sonic. Its just that some char has advantages over other chars.

[@oceanman3676]

While it is a viable strategy, it is absolute cowardice or just trolling in general of someone to use it

[@BarkBark790]

@@oceanman3676 i can't really see someone saying a character is unfair, because they can use the same character too. Another sus thing is that before suiru got released, everyone was glazing at how annyoning tatsu was. Now everyone can use it, and its NO LONGER OP???? Suiru is now op apparently. I guess characters you can use are op. (expect kj hes op)

[@hello-mm6no]

@@Lumina1234 idk man just get better

[@silverzzz]

sonic players in a nutshell

[@O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O]

Alternative title:The competitive TSB community in a nutshell

[@sukuna-r8t]

Very true

[@ayowtfs]

@@O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O yeah like metal bat and atomic samurai requires skill

[@Flintgamingandmemes]

W

[@Flintgamingandmemes]

@@ayowtfsatomic is easier than metal bat tbh

[@RoyalTaco_11]

@@O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O actual nutshell

[@anganghai3165]

I think you should do a video that analyzes every character's, include: the strong points, weakness and how to counter them. I think this will help ppl understand how to fight their "unfair" characters and how simple their "skilled" characters are.

[@aegeansaygac1116]

holygrail75 if you see this comment pls do a video like that🙏

[@KINGK_91]

Like up this Commet let holy grail see this

[@troy-l1b]

@@anganghai3165 there really isn't any specific counters to any character

[@troy-l1b]

Also no one knows how to use atomic samurai nor does holygrail

[@adalberagoadalberago1358]

A good genos to fight is brainrot

[@sobzir_o]

0:11 guys im stupid how do you see how much you played a game on roblox?

[@glitchingpower]

@@sobzir_o ropro extension ur not stupid it only shows you how many hours you have played it since you got ropro

[@sobzir_o]

@@glitchingpower ohhhhh That sucks But thanks man I appreciate it

[@Dreamybullxxxxx]

ur not stupid!! it's a roblox extension for browsers and I'm pretty sure it's RoPro

[@demo53]

Yep, it is entirely free on a base package, you can pay for more features too

[@vyevd8]

RoPro extension

[@TreyWernicke]

People went from calling saitama op to calling it spammy. For some reason, Garou was also called the most skilled character because he has the hardest to hit combos and does the least damage if you use every move.

[@theholygrail]

tbh garou has some of the easiest combos ever, other characters have more inconsistent and difficult combos

[@sukuna-r8t]

Hi​@@theholygrail

[@sukuna-r8t]

Hi

[@sukuna-r8t]

​@randomguy69697how are u

[@blakedavidson1087]

13h ago?

[@RealMgl]

Every TSB player needs to watch this video

[@BucketTheOfficial]

Yeah lmao

[@helloiminvisiblename123]

2nd reply

[@matukurczewski4334]

Yes

[@DawaveBlox]

YOU PLAYED FINAL STAND TOO? Man I can’t WAIT for the remaster… the PvP in that game was peak!

[@TakeSomeWaterPls]

Fr I hope they add mobile support that game is the goat of DB games

[@Uyu8jly]

Fr, it's so fun, wish they upd.the grinding tho

[@TakeSomeWaterPls]

@@Uyu8jly the most complete db game for me it got many bosses many forms it's just perfect bro

[@TherealPoifr]

He has been a dragon ball youtuber guy

[@sanguine_walls]

his content actually started out as dbog and final final stand content

[@clowny3605]

I found this video to be one of the most calm anylises of the battleground genre. I don't play this specific one myself but I really liked it ggs

[@Leafilio]

great video, i completely agree with most of the points made in this game as a garou and genos main, i like to see both sides of the arguement and genuinely think that people are just overreacting about annoying characters anyways thank you for making this

[@tristanfarmer9031]

I am a martial artist main atm, and don't get too many complaints since then. However, I have a few rules for myself. Some are universal, and some are only for specific genres or games. The biggest ones are "Only be toxic to toxic people." "Do not complain about something you also do, and only complain about genuine bugs and their exploiters." "Help friends who are obviously been outmatched." And finally, "Do not interupt a vibe circle." There are more, but these are the most common ones used. Obviously I deviate sometimes, but I try not too. This is how I have fun, but it does backfire. If you're chill for too long, you gotta leave so you don't feel bad when killing a player you like. Not everyone would have that problem, but I do. If I do not like a majority of a server, I will start stealing kills and interrupting. That obviously makes some people mad, but it's on purpose. I do the same if no one is teaming and everyone is fighting. I will only wait so long to play the actual game. Edit: Please remember everyone has their own way of playing. No one has to abide by someone else's rules. Most of yall are chill, but let's keep it as civil as possible.

[@boufosor_tv]

you got almost say all my honor code

[@Bob_Isbob]

Bruh, i almost have same "rules", but i also have very dumb rule "Try to not fight at full skill versus new players" (i almost never use it)

[@BlueT1ger]

My honor code is: Be toxic to toxics Be toxic to Teamers Don’t interrupt vibe circles become the vibe circle

[@Eisa-px7su]

well, isnt "helping" out friends in a fight harmful for their basic understanding of the game?, it'll be best if ya let them fight people better than them.

[@Bob_Isbob]

@@Eisa-px7su i know, this is why i think its was dumb

[@moulo9637]

People say Tatsumaki is unfair not because she takes effort to beat but because she excels in just about everything a fighting game offers. She can use attacks at long range, one of them being pretty quick and able to create a gap between the two players in order to catch a break or get cooldowns. Has a pretty much guaranteed combo extend if she wastes the opponent's evasive, has ANOTHER move that can do consistent damage, knockdown for free even on block which is pretty powerful in fighting games and can also create gaps. And then she has a move that CLOSES gaps. Her passive makes her invincible to most base set moves and does damage when block breaking moves hit her, giving her a pretty good combo starter. Oh, and it reflects projectiles cuz ofc it does. Her ultimate is... Interesting. If you managed to waste your opponents evasive and then pop ult in ranked, you win by using the fourth move that quite literally can go halfway through the ranked map on whiff, going to the corner, and then using the three, a cutscene move that does 90%. Her two other moves do good damage and can combo into each other beautifully by using the 2 which is hard in most cases but manageable, moving forward and timing it to use the 1, which stuns and does 50%. She's a character that takes a bit to get used to but due to her base moveset, ultimate moveset, and busted passive (not even gonna lie about that) I can see why she's called "unfair". She does everything and does it really well. Especially in a fighting game where about half of the players try to close the gap by teching or other. She's really good, but due to her being so wildly different, she's regarded as unfair as no character counter her unlike every other character that all have bad matchups.

[@jomocsg]

Pretty valid take ngl (i read everything)

[@SomeRandomVergilFanboy]

Exactly. I'm still not sure why people try to deny this.

[@thetester1158]

I just can't understand her hotboxes due to them just spawning.

[@OP_INDACHAT]

I think her ultimate is pretty easy to bait, but i can relate with the rest of the things. she block like sonic and genos's base moveset along with half their ult garou is useless and metal bat is just a bad matchupt due to him being slow and atomic cannot catch her. like what am i supposed to do against her and they all use same techs and combos. i think martial artist is best balanced

[@ARENN.]

I so much AGREE with u. Like i use to get hate so much only cuz i beat them with sonic. They cry and trashtalks over " me running " when most of the time ( even ppl with 10 k kills ) are the only one being passive against sonic and i caught them with side dash. Although when those specific creatures lose, they usually gets sonic against me cuz they thinks its the " character " ig. SO they come with sonic and nothing changes. I beat them again. And when i ask them how did i js win if i was cheating since movesets was equal, they js saying " i dont spam like u " . Its crazy to see how they have a slander on everything.

[@fierce4who]

I kind of wish he didn't make this video members, oh, because most kids don't have members, but all of this is just so straight on. I've been waiting ever since a metal bat came out. I'm just baffled by how perfect and is just needed to be said for those "pros" and "noobs" (BTW, big fan!!).

[@Noobustheseknd]

@@fierce4who it's no longer members only!👍👍

[@Dookielord]

It’s not members only anymore

[@Chementani]

@fierce4who it makes me happy knowing that almost no one uses metal bat, meaning I can keep my Combos safe and no one will ever touch them

[@fierce4who]

@Chementani i sure do use it LOL, and I got quite a hell of techs for every character no one's knows about LOL.

[@rezagaming9293]

By far the most real and fact video I have ever seen in my entire life I always wanted to talk about this topic but I just didn't have any place to talk about it so more people hear about it ty so much for covering it

[@ChisellRoblox]

Tbh this video actually does make sense, i see pro players usually fighting newer players instead of players their level, no wonder they have so many kills, and the one time they do fight players their level is when the other player steals their kill. Some players kinda do have to understand that calling a new player a runner or spammer is literally not gonna help their case, since the new player wont even know what that might be, and being toxic just doesn’t help them either. I also see people calling others ulters when they use ult mid-fight or when they’re low, if that is the case, what is the point of ults then? Even the anime characters used ult when they were low…

[@voidarkyt]

One of the reasons, this doesnt apply to everyone but it does apply to me, is because we barely get any servers with our skill level. half of the servers, have the maximum kill count as 500 or 1k. And it rlly sucks for someone with 13k

[@xDemonRBLX]

moral of the story: people suck at pvp and you're just better #sigma

[@trashpit9842]

@@xDemonRBLX so true vro

[@brownfrogfromyournightmare]

@@xDemonRBLX real

[@Blobbo_ugc]

@@xDemonRBLX real sigma

[@hussaingamingnstuff69]

Real

[@chaosu_kageno]

sigma

[@springoncocain3577]

You really have a good point here, as you said, if the strongest hero is the "best" character, then it could easily destroy every other character in a 1v1.Also it would be the most "unfair" character because he is the best.I really like your explanation in this video.(sorry if my english is bad)

[@James_new]

@@springoncocain3577 i found only 1 spelling mistake in this comment and it was just using "an" in front of 1 but im not sure because im not that good at english yet

[@n_plush281]

​@James_new an is actually proper English. People just say "a"

[@James_new]

@@n_plush281 Really? I didnt know that

[@flop69419]

@@James_new an is proper English, you use it when the next word has a vowel in the beginning of the word

[@elfishyba]

@@flop69419 generally the case except for when the vowel is pronounced as a consonant at the start . the word "one" begins with "w" when being pronounced and as a result its "a 1v1" , not "an 1v1" if you said "oh-n V oh-n" , it would be "an"

[@BaldSun]

I'm quite happy you touched upon the concept of "techs." The idea that a person can claim some trick even though many people probably have already figured it out is insane. The uppercut side dash "tech" is a prime example of this. Also, I firmly believe uppercut is the best non-ultimate move ingame and yet people still say Saitama's skilled when you're basically screwed if someone knows what they're doing: Sidedash out of the stun? Really tight squeeze to actually punish and you're easily punishable yourself. let it be? Normal punch gg. Moral of the story; don't get hit

[@JAYWASGAMING]

Uppercut isn't the best non ultimate move but it is good

[@Mewstar]

i play tsb a LOT and one thing i can say is, garou is the most fun in my opinion, but i dont think he's the most skilled, its about movement. however its more about how you play the characters than the actual characters, like theres fun saitamas to 1v1 then theres the passive saitamas who wait for one small slipup to then do the same '2 m1 consecutive punches m1 normal punch combo"

[@Somepersonrblx]

@@Mewstargarou is actually pretty fun yeah, mostly because of how easy it is to deal a lot of damage, basically a buffed version of sonic, since you can counter and go through block

[@badtime9000]

as a metal bat main i can confirm he has another passive of being literally forgotten by everyone and not even being in the poll of the most skilled or unfair character

[@threeeyedninja2675]

I agree with almost all of this other than the "get out of ranked garou mains" point he vaguely makes near the end. I used to main garou, and now really play any character I feel like, but I enjoy ranked so much better because ffa just makes me go insane with all the 3rd parties and stuff. Dont get me wrong its fun in small doses but for someone like me who enjoys the intricacies of combat and techs it just feels to chaotic for me.

[@AshrafMohamed-wp4ze]

Uh why

[@helllss9571]

@@AshrafMohamed-wp4ze Brother they literally just stated why in a whole paragraph. You do not need any explaining.

[@Ronin_MM2]

@@helllss9571 agreed

[@NeveragainNeveragain]

I hate when people consider a backdash running. It’s called keeping distance, which passive players do. If it’s a game mechanic, I’m gonna utilize it so I can literally use my play style.

[@crapluster]

it can be used for running too. its just so op.just because its a game mechanic doesnt mean its completely balanced. even lord heaven said it and complained about it. if your playstyle is when i mess up i mash backdash because of the i frames and they cant catch up to me. then maybe consider just never fighting.

[@NeveragainNeveragain]

@@crapluster dude, it literally can be caught up to with a single front dash. People complain about it for nothing. It is balanced if literally everyone can use it.

[@Kollatheral]

@@crapluster tell me your 10 without telling me your 10 ahh comment 😭🙏

[@projeckttea6969]

​@@craplusterSee LordHeaven's vid was in poor taste, cuz the dude was just bashing a playstyle he couldn't counter and made a vid just being salty over it. So using this to back up a shallow point of so called *runners* is pretty weak. Backdashes can also be easily countered with a front dash and usually the person doesn't have enough time to block it.

[@crapluster]

@@NeveragainNeveragain no it cant. its too unconsistent cuz ur front dash will suddenly stop because the game thinks u already hit him but you wont land the hit because he is moving back. maybe unbalanced wasnt a good example but its op.if both parties spam backwards dash then no one is gonna win. and its also boring.

[@archedlemon]

10:58 "garou mains" 💀😭🙏 Edit: damn guys didn't expect this many likes on a comment with 2 words, thanks!

[@aboborapper]

i genuinally believe all garou mains are clones of eachother, they all use the same combos, the same techs and have the same personality (mostly toxic), even my friend became toxic after starting using garou

[@masterjaelen2455]

@@aboborapper mainly because it works!! I play garou and with the “twisted tech,” everything becomes a touch of death combo. granted, the “loop dash tech” can turn any combo into one that does 100% dmg, but “twisted” is much easier to land imo. Once their evasive/ragdoll cancel is out, it’s ggs if you can win a neutral interaction (this goes for most characters but garou has the best punishing combos imo). I can see why so many people play garou, and it’s that his combos are the easiest to pull off (with the exception of saitama) along with having the easiest 100% combo (again , imo). I don’t understand the toxicity, but I think that’s just the player base. tldr: garou has very easy combos that deal high damage, and with the “twisted tech” garou has very easy touch of death combos.

[@sebape397]

@@aboborapper Garou players are actually like this because it needs a LOT of concentration to land an m1 or doing the techs right, and when they do a hard level combo after sweating that much it feels like a win for them, kinda when You get a high score in a test.

[@fishfella8955]

@@aboborapper yes bro garou players are drones

[@NotNeonMaster]

@@masterjaelen2455so Garou isn’t the most skilled?

[@Metal-Sonic]

I'm like one of the best examples on why the term "Unskilled character" doesn't mean anything, usually people complain that sonic is "too easy to use" and "overpowered" well guess what? I HAVE OVER 10K KILLS YET I PLAY SONIC WORSE THAN ANY OTHER CHARACTER, if THAT doesn't prove that it's about suits you the best, idk what does.

[@dogenombres9614]

Another reason why the tsb comunity consider wild phsychic unfair is because of how easy it is to use. Yet they cant propelly counter the moveset that is easly counterable, the same goes to early acces characters, they say they're Pay2win even thought they're gonna get balanced in the next 2 weeks

[@Jellybeantoppings]

People hate early access characters for 2 reasons 1. They dont have them 2. Since they don’t have them they can’t learn to play them, and if you can’t play the character you can’t learn to ADAPT to the character as well as you usually would And due to number 2 they just say it’s overpowered

[@V0-Data]

@@Jellybeantoppings also because theyre for the most part strong and each skill does a lot of dmg to make up for the fact their kits not fully done yet, so you can do a lot of dmg w an m1 string into a skill

[@ar501_fr]

@@Jellybeantoppings tbh they usually just say it as an excuse, saying its op even tho it literally is missing moves, making the moveset worse???? like what????

[@Grimmmmy-boy]

I like playing her because it really seems to confuse people when I play as the most rabid, aggressive tatsumaki you’ve ever seen. Dashing everywhere and shit

[@TakeSomeWaterPls]

Tatsumaki combo 1 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Nerdvpnpro]

The devs worked so hard to make these new amazing characters just for these players to call it "spammy" because it has a mobility move.

[@muscleman1777]

It can be tho

[@WeirdYoutuber69420]

@@muscleman1777the cooldown:

[@muscleman1777]

@@WeirdKZbinr69420 they aren’t slow and most of the users just spam all their moves at once and run away while it’s on cooldown

[@KING_ALT]

​@@muscleman1777Fax most people try to undermine how op some characters are

[@杀手菜鸟]

@@KING_ALT such as?

[@rafdemagistris4779]

I equip tatsumaki: omg spammer I equip sonic: omg runner and spammer I equip genos: omg spammer I play passively: omg runner WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? LOSE?

[@ProllyNotJake]

@@rafdemagistris4779 yes thats what they want

[@zachbrokehisback]

Tatsumaki Is commonly spam

[@DKAtheSecondAKATheAnimationDKA]

tatsumaki i get, but no one is stopping anybody from equipping it. also you can use any other character than sonic, genos, etc.

[@nitwit-iz5qz]

Use fair characters: bet/leaves

[@Clowny639]

@@rafdemagistris4779 duhhh🙄

[@Perittoslolos]

Finally a tsb youtuber that talks about that situation

[@cherrymuncher]

10:33 bro spittin bars 🔥

[@Vseyes-lol]

Ik

[@Memmmeeboiiiiiiiii]

I love every single second of this video and hopefully it opens these kids eyes that using something they dont like isnt called spamming the only thing that is inacurate is that hero hunter is also associated with spamming cuz im always getting called out for beeing one no matter how i fight with it ;-; its just as if the comunity has such a big ego that they think making up a rule makes it an official one ( someone even spam reported me for using a combo it was funny as heck seeing them frustrated) also congrats on 700k Subs 🥳🎉

[@RealVviperX]

@@Memmmeeboiiiiiiiii they're kids. Once in a blue moon would one kid open their eyes, the rest were born blind

[@ersanylmazturk1761]

Bro I just executed a 100% Genos combo and he said ''genos spammer lol''

[@blueskyyt84]

There was never a blue moon, is that the point?

[@nitwit-iz5qz]

Its like irl when they lose to a match of footbal so they they said it wasnt counted cus the goal keeper wasnt focusing like wtf bro.

[@RealVviperX]

@@blueskyyt84 exactly

[@zackk7809]

Something else you could have added is about early access characters being the most "unfair" characters because of them being super new, meaning that people won't know how to fight against them and those characters being super unbalanced until they are released free to the general public

[@Metal-Sonic]

For a long time, i was like these people, i started to realize it once i reached around 5000-7000 kills, why you may ask? because the people who taught me the game told me that in order to be a good player, i need to use hero hunter, of course, since i didn't know anything about the game, i believed it, until i eventually said started using other characters, i realized how much more suited some other characters are for me

[@TheActualStrangeOne]

To be honest, the playerbase of the strongest battlegrounds has gotten out of hand when it comes to the most hated topics. And that includes complaining, but yet it's for a reasonable explanation. And those things would be known as Blocking, Dashing, Running, Being Hypocritical, Having regrets, Teamers, Being too passive, Visible spamming in the opposing point of view by whoever you are fighting, hackers (which are rare to find), Character usage, etc. The only way that the community to be healed by those naegative affects in order to bring peace to the game is by having the developers, moderators, and owner to mostly do something about it while a couple others attempt to make groups to counter teamers and hackers. As we count on the rest to be fixed somehow. Which is very unlikely and pretty much impossible. We just need to find a way because due to experience, we have way too many complainers nowadays when it comes to pvp related games that include any type of public fighting. But for now, we must suffer though the same thing. And just know, by the end of they day, it's just a game that people need to fix the complaints that are contained in any specific game. Mainly The Strongest Battlegrounds. And whoever actually read this, thank you and have a good day. Bye for now

[@Shot_Z]

tbf the reason why strongest battlegrounds get so many people who complain is because the majority of the game is just little kids who's iq is the same as their age. they're simply not mature enough to handle losing well and get mad way easier

[@TheActualStrangeOne]

@@Shot_Z I honestly agree. And I'm sure a whole majority of people can say the same due to their own experiences just by simply playing the game

[@Fly_WRLDD]

I agree that's why.... 'Domain Expansion; Authentic Mutual Love'

[@meatwad8140]

cringe its just a game

[@TheActualStrangeOne]

@@meatwad8140You have the logic of a 9 year old that is possibly a hypocrite

[@BonesRRR]

1:41 i try to avoid this the most, because in Brazil, normally you play with 150+ ping, because we don't have servers here, so m1 trade is possible, but a bit broken for us

[@alinesouza7455]

@@BonesRRR true

[@8chro]

Abuse true downslam if you’re Brazilian

[@Honzik207]

so I want to tell you all about Red Alert 3. Highly competitive RTS meant to rival starcraft, it has pretty horrible balancing between it's "factions"(characters in TSB). One kf them, the "Allies", had multiple OP units(analogy to moves in TSB), which could do some nasty cheese tactics. If I was to make an analogy to it in TSB, it would be a character where it's base moveset would contain a nerfed death counter, so that it would counter only moves, not m1s. Do people use it in 1v1? Absolutely, it's pretty normal, however in tournaments, this faction can only go against itself.

[@M_Froggo_Donuts_D]

I was doing duels and this one guy frfr said to me, “oh wait nah man a girl?” Like Roblox isn’t meant for all genders

[@nagendraprasad7113]

That's true, my guy. I can't believe people say that to people. I mean, why can't they play Roblox? There are also human right? and gender equality, bruh. We are all human beings.

[@chnjon6602]

2:04 I literally once got called out for… “m1 spamming”… my faith in humanity has reached its lowest.

[@Coldburrito129]

Me when i want to do damage but all my skills are on cooldown

[@gooberbunchofrandomnumbers]

4:29 should've replied with "attack spammer"

[@alepale77]

lol

[@UntitledLemon]

The justicenut is here to balance the honor system

[@larzisfine]

Any time i use saitama in duels i just get called "a try hard", if im hero hunter, i get called, a "sweat" if im cyborg, i get called a "runner", if im sonic, i get called "spammer." metal bat? "No skill" atomic samurai? "counter spammer" Tatsumaki? "op character", There are almost no characters you can play anymore without getting called out for it.

[@lobotomy_corp_big_bird]

I main the new character (I forgot his name) and when I went into duals with a friend, I got called a "try hard" lol

[@MrMafia400]

@@lobotomy_corp_big_bird I think he’s called Martial Artist aka Suiryu

[@lobotomy_corp_big_bird]

@MrMafia400 I checked and you were right. thanks!

[@Geographical_EditZ12]

@@lobotomy_corp_big_bird lol people hate on suiryu for a 1234 combo but then forget about kyoto

[@lobotomy_corp_big_bird]

@Geographical_EditZ12 that's one of by biggest pet peves, like why complain about one doing it when another gets prased for it?

[@Oniqkz]

I think the part about the bullet barrage combo being spam is 100% true. Especially since it’s inescapable💀

[@kikiz9443]

I hear that yet nobody talks like that abt kyoto and other such combos cause it is "skilled"

[@nnamdiezichi2027]

Ngl he was spiiting absolute FACTS this entire video

[@abdellah5261]

Congrats on 700k subs🎉

[@terrarianoob3164]

and this is why i love your channel, only logical person in the game

[@tempestdraws]

and now you must make a video where you defy ALL the rules of the honor system in tsb

[@theholygrail]

fr

[@sukuna-r8t]

@@theholygrail hi

[@sukuna-r8t]

​@@theholygrailhi

[@sukuna-r8t]

Hi

[@Minecraftdiddler]

@@sukuna-r8t bro had to make sure his message got through

[@icescickle]

10:48 bro really stuck in a "garou mains" 💀

[@itsabdo1020]

u gave final stand recognition it was the best dbz game i was watchin ur dbz videos like it ws yesterday

[@PyroniumZ]

@@itsabdo1020 would argue prime dbog was better but the game because horrible

[@JustaRandomDunce]

Every competitive game is like this. If you wanna see the worst, heres the steps: 1. Go to slap battles 2. Find the dark red portal in lobby 3. Go into portal 4. Experience hell on earth.

[@ocelot5424]

Imagine those TSB kids playing an actual fighting game like Street fighter or an anime fighter like Guilty gear 💀

[@vanilla_96]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYINGGG These people would spontaneously combust the millisecond they hopped on BlazBlue and got matched against Arakune 😭🙏

[@ocelot5424]

@vanilla_96 Full curse bar Arakune would be Crazy against them

[@ToanHoangQuang]

Everyone, I just found a new bug in the game: If you want to do this bug, you need to have suiryu and turn on his ultimate, then find a corner of the map and use skill 3 ultimate (victim needs to stand against the wall). If successful, the victim will fly out of the map and also work for crab boss :)

[@SoulSurvivor_Minos]

I did that the DAY that suiryu ult came out.

[@ToanHoangQuang]

@@SoulSurvivor_Minos cool man

[@ToanHoangQuang]

Also if want trap people in the tree: If you want do this bug,you need to use saitama or tatsumaki base skill 1 on a victim to stand against the big summer tree.if successful, the victim will trap inside the summer tree and you can do anything you want like:hit victim,trap enemy or troll friend :D

[@Kai-Ytbe]

(I main Atomic Samurai) Once, some random Suiryu attacked me. He kept doing obvious front dashes, so it was easy to catch him and start a combo. He kept coming back everytime, and after like 2 more times of killing him he said: "yep, stop spamming bro, you're unfair" I asked how i was spamming, and his response was "you're using the same combo every time, you never change". What do you expect me to do? Create 50 new combos every time you come back?

[@Mars_K1]

Bro they literally don’t even know what spamming means

[@Wheat_Land]

Sure your using the same combo but no way that’s spamming it’s just a combo that’s easy to you

[@rarahrat]

jeez thank goodness u made a video about this this is so real. I swear it always irked me with most of the tsb players reasoning and excuses. They dont like when u utilize game mechanics and get mad 😭🙏 so unreasonable and most of their excuses are so unjustified

[@Jotaro-og8eu]

(9:45)So tell me The strongest hero, are you the best character because you are the most unfair or you are the most unfair because you are the best character?

[@FaultehBoi]

First like bro. The only character i feel super unfair is genos and sonic. Sonic is slept on Trust me. Every character is easy to use and the only one who needs thought is genos since aim

[@Justcallmedropky1]

Genos is legit really unbalanced, since every move of his pushes you in some kind of way, if ur passive with Genos u can’t lose

[@FaultehBoi]

@@Justcallmedropky1 i have ways to counter a genos and it really helps me. His entire moveset is blockable so you reduce the damage and i try to be always close to the genos and m1 catch. But as i said, he is still op. This playstyle works alot but it only makes the match kinda balanced. Hope it helps you

[@onyotubero]

8:41 did not know you could counter thunder kick until rn

[@acgacg4505]

same

[@HaidarAlsuni]

Bro really said nah I'd counter

[@KindaComplex7]

funny thing is techs most of the time makes you do less damage and another thing is that sonic may need more skill to use because just because all his moves can be blocked

[@ertyge1]

Yea except for shuriken but i agree

[@ertyge1]

In my opinion i use techs as an intimidation tactic. Land the NASTIEST tech then back up and wait for their next move. This usually works and makes them panic or play passive

[@KindaComplex7]

Honestly that is pretty good idea

[@Flintgamingandmemes]

1:51 ah so I’m a shove tech spammer?

[@Upside_Central]

That’s what they call it

[@ImRealRomi]

Dawg you commented 3 times chill out

[@Upside_Central]

@@ImRealRomi and I’ll comment more

[@malthe236]

s and f key my beloveds

[@DKAtheSecondAKATheAnimationDKA]

dude you have 100+ comments on one channel

[@SyNet_]

1:05 someone once told me to change for a.... reason. what reason you may ask? Using a character with a sword.

[@Persona-ob9br]

Can't have anything on TSB...

[@0bviously_Mat]

Detroit battlegrounds@@Persona-ob9br

[@ZyaaielPlays]

@@Persona-ob9br yeah man I got “unfair char change” for using bald hero which is starter character 💀

[@suzuya-chan2109]

In the game town theres a similar sort of "honor system" where shield, armor and shotgun users (and to some extent snipers) are looked down upon by most players because armor can double or even triple your effective time to kill with no downside and isn't always fun to fight (even though there is nothing stopping the non-armor user from equipping armor besides their ego because time to kill is still super fast).

[@vegeta2682]

Currently im at 0:22 and honeslty, we have to agree that genos is too strong. I can fight people on my level or passive ones and die. If i go genos i win easily, btw i dont use genos often.

[@josiah_or_what]

yap *idk what to say*

[@Enoughtimehaspassed557]

Nah not really think its just you homestly genos is pretty balanced

[@Jake-jm2vj]

This is because Geno's has long ranged attacks that are good against people who don't play aggressive He's not op he just has pros and weaknesses like slow m1s and low combo damage without making them use evasive

[@vegeta2682]

@@Jake-jm2vj yeah but even if someone is agressive you can easily keep distance and genos still has close range capabilities, im saying this despite being a saitama main And honestly im closer to agressive than passive

[@dubui6482]

For me genos is the hardest character to master idk im pretty noob as genos, I think am noob

[@yxle7936]

11:08 ok but are we gonna talk about the fact that tastumakis combo is litterally 1 2 3 4 😭

[@shadex0437]

@@yxle7936 I mean u can switch the numbers and put it on more characters it's not like this game got a lot of depth

[@yxle7936]

Yeah, I just think holygrail didn't really have a good argument on this one

[@JohnLegend2906]

What's wrong with that? Not all combos need to be super difficult or complex.

[@AppDT-9]

@@JohnLegend2906 exactly

[@dragergrap]

Strongest 2431 Evil blue man 231 Robot 1432 Ninja 3241 Bat 2134 Swordsman 123 Child 1234 Edit: Purple dragon 1342

[@UnknownLime]

7:28 did bro just counter that move?

[@zyndicate4669]

I miss when spamming was having ps+, activating no cooldown and no stun. Instead of just using moves however you like.

[@AdpaticleFlaw]

“I am here, I am good at every character, I enjoy the game, I don’t judge others.”: -The Average Good Civilized Player

[@VA2245-x2l]

bro played final stand, you earned my respect

[@Bruh_._.]

5:27 LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE TIME

[@PheonixT]

That's actually really interesting, and I'm kinda curious about what you think of JJS as a game and community

[@EthernalSaint]

0:40 german man

[@REALSPTRTRN]

I fully agree we all love Tsb 😊

[@rageblade207]

WHY IS UR COMMENT OLDER THAN THE VIDEO

[@RandomShenanigians2]

@@rageblade207 he is a member

[@TryoneOcto]

not all

[@leonardoabsharherwindoputr7219]

ffa game added a honor system?

[@Tofastlol.]

This guy is absolutely right! I hate the fact that tsb players just say characters are unfair when they lose.. I believe that they just cant accept that they lost..

[@mangatanga.]

4:39 it izzz what it is

[@J.A.T-z6k]

@@mangatanga. lol

[@leothewizardgamer5712]

It izzz what it is buddy

[@woopdeedoo124]

You were wrong when you thought there was honour in this game. Its the strongest battlegrounds, what do you expect

[@Jaketheh7man]

I am blind 3:10

[@ronakvermagamer2466]

@@Jaketheh7man same

[@Maleonearth]

Fr

[@Cute_kitten12]

Same

[@Kamuzugaming]

Congrats on 700K Subscribers LETS GOOO

[@GolmusXYZ]

0:40 why do your arms kind of look like German flag..?

[@amrankarka9159]

@@GolmusXYZ And?

[@GolmusXYZ]

@@amrankarka9159 and you make me feel smart

[@hmanimations7612]

"Wdym German fla.......wait...WAI-"

[@キンマス公式]

SHUT YO-

[@GolmusXYZ]

@@キンマス公式 you German?

[@Flintgamingandmemes]

4:17 why is this so much better quality?

[@Flintgamingandmemes]

Very good video tbh

[@GuardianNeko]

Bro broke my brain with the "unfair" part 10:13

[@JefferyBen]

Holygrail has to be the best tsb youtuber amazing video!

[@_illvzn_]

i think the reason why people use to think metal bat was unfair was because quite literally all his moves can chain into eachother, so that means a high damage combo that you cant predict since there is so many unique combos to come up with , same goes for tatsu , most of her abilitys string together aswell and her passive is dumb but can be countered by just hitting it , there ultimates aswell are decently unfair, tatsu first ult move into second ult move might aswell fully kill while being a true combo, metal bat has insane range and damage but can be countered because of wind up time, and blocking tatsu base moves is literally the counter for her

[@ertyge1]

Nah, before the move is actually used all moves have a startup animation before they are put into effect. Except for counters ofc

[@kp00pDestroyer1]

Garou ,Saitama all got the 1233 combo ,doing way more damage

[@alexandra.aristy]

I always get called a spammer and a runner when I back dash and it’s so annoying. I’m glad theholygrail75 made this.

[@fandomss9097]

I feel like this video is a perfect example of why you shouldn't take words for granted. No hate is intended through this message but I feel like everything in this video is just wrong about the characters but I totally agree with everything else you said. Yes there can be a character that is MOST unfair and a character that is the BEST separately. Just cause something is the best doesn't mean it's downright unfair to use, could just be that the other character is so easy to use that it could beat the quote on quote "best" character with less effort. Not only that but you're calling the first 2 characters the easiest to use, the ones you just turn your brain off and do the same combos over and over again. But as if that isn't the same case with everything else. The "room for failure" you're talking about is most likely just your own opinion. In my opinion or what I've gathered through my own experience playing or just talking with other people, out of the 2 characters you kind of downplayed, hero is probably more versatile than something like atomic samurai in which you REQUIRE certain moves just to combo extend when hero hunter can combo into every single one of it's moves with something else BUT this doesn't mean other characters are harder to combo with. Most wild psychic combos are really easy to pull off and deal insane damages compared to maybe the dash after hero hunters second move that would therefore let you get that little bit of extra damage. If you play as any of the characters on mobile, the easiest to play as would be deadly ninja, wild psychic, or destructive cyborg and this says that not only are the first two characters reliant on pretty annoying tech's but that you saying these first 2 characters are much easier to use is kind of wrong if you can just spam all your moves and deal the same damage with everything else. Look TSB in my opinion is a shit game where balancing is basically non-existent but I can GUARANTEE you, people will still play it and still complain when acknowledging the developers don't give 2 shits about the community. Sorry if something in this doesn't make sense, proof reading a paragraph of yap over a Roblox game is a bit hard.

[@Jet_Stream_Samy]

I honestly never knew that you played Final Stand before. This was my childhood Roblox game.

[@Lapix-.]

It is so annoying being someone that dabbles in every character, and getting hated on when you beat them with anything other than garou or saitama. I have fought so many good players with Sonic, and they absolutely embarrass me since they have good game mechanics and skill. But all of a sudden when other players fight against me it's unfair? And sure, I agree the wild psychic is annoying to fight against but that doesnt mean it's unfair. You can beat every character if you're good - there is no one 'best' or 'unfair' character. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

[@jakckiluejdbx4520]

This is a really good video, especially for a Roblox creator/game

[@maximized_1]

Since people really wanna know what's fair, here's a pros and cons list for every character in the game Strongest hero + Semi-Good Passive (Gain ultimate on finisher) + High DPS combos that doesn't require evasive baiting - Bad evasive baiting (Uppercut has a bad startup and bad endlag) - Close-ranged Hero hunter + Anti-teamer (You're almost invulnerable during most moves) + Good evasive baiting (Hunter's grasp is very fast and unpredictable if used properly) + Good passive (Regen on finisher) + Good Counter (Evasive bait if you turn around) - Low DPS combos that doesn't require evasive baiting - Close-ranged Destructive Cyborg + Long ranged + Grand slam kind of bypasses evasive because you'll still get hit despite evading out of the way + Good passive (Ragdoll cancel deals damage and stuns if your opponent is too close, Reset cooldown on finisher) - Moves don't go with eachother - Inconsistent combos - Every move is blockable Deadly Ninja + Long ranged + Good passive (Gain Invisible side dashes that are highly unpredictable on finisher, Invisible dashes have short cooldown) - Too passive Brutal Demon + Move variants (Homerun, Grandslam, Foul Ball) - Bad passive (Gain ultimate bar when damaged) - Slow m1s (dunno if this is some mandela effect but whenever i play him his m1s feel so slow) - Bad evasive baiting (Homerun and foul ball are highly predictable) Atomic Samurai + Good Counter (Combo starter) + Good passive (Gain damage boost on finisher) + Decent evasive baiting (the kick into air slashes move i forgot the name is kinda fast + Super flashy finishers - Too aggressive Wild Psychic + Good passive (Gain blocking buff on finisher that will break and cancel moves if you get hit in the back, pause, and if the opponent uses a skill, doesn't have to be a block breaking skill, just a skill) - Most moves are blockable - Neutral evasive baiting (literally none of the moves have unpredictability besides crushing pull which deals like 2 damage and doesn't even extend m1s) - Can evade out of tornado and punish Martial artist + All moves are connected to each other + All moves can hit grounded opponents + Moves are hard to punish + Barrage cannot be evaded (free 2 move combo) - No passive (yet) - Early access (for now) - Vanishing kick sucks Sorcerer + literally gojo + infinity + one-shot wall combo + one-shot move - Private server+ KJ + Cool + Somewhat balanced for an admin character - Costs 170k dollars for a temporary playtest

[@Turbo-vo6hh]

I dont play this game at all but i love watching your videos lol. Keep it up

[@Metal-Sonic]

The people who say "block spammer" when you hold block don't even use the right term, block spamming is repeatedly hitting the F button really fast, which makes the term even dumber

[@misterkoneko2389]

You and your channel is growing as fast or even faster than flamingo was in his earlier days.

[@Bluleva12]

FINALLY SOMEONE THAT TALKS ABT THIS ISTG I CANT PLAY IN PUBLIC SERVERS WITHOUT SOMEONE SAYING SPAMMER OR RUNNER OR SMTH

[@Brownbag5028]

Fun fact: sonic has 2 passives 1. The obvious teleport dash 2. The ability to make your opponent yap About “spamming” even if you barley use your moves

[@FTFSupremacyROBLOX]

Lol

[@justsmallyt985]

I've even complained about how Saitama and Garou needs some rework to be able to catch up with the other character's playstyles. Like, it's a struggle to fight a Suiryu, Tatsumaki, Sonic, and Genos because of how difficult it is to catch up with them by only using your dash. Metal Bat and Atomic Samurai are relatively on the same difficulty for me to deal with, the only difference being that the average player who uses Atomic Samurai is usually wiser in using their moves. Not only does Saitama and Garou have to rely on slowing themselves down by blocking moves, dodging unblockable moves, and downplaying to passive in order to comprehend the playstyle of the new characters, but nowadays, there are probably even more toxic and competitive players there to blame on useless puerile sh*t that even a summer ant who could understand english would even care about getting called by one of those insults. Garou and Saitama could definitely work as medium ranged or being a character that forces you to think even more harder on doing everything and anything. That's why players are just so salty now. I mean, even I'm not an exception. Hell, I even get a little mad when I die with Saitama. I try my best to cool myself down though, don't wanna lose some years of my life. I'd be expecting a whole different Garou Ult, Base moveset, and Saitama Base Moveset. If I don't see one, then we is gon stay the same place blud 🗣🗣 Anyways, that's probably all I'm gonna complain about the "new gen" of character's we're getting. I'm hoping the dev team are actually gonna see this one because like, it's a little problematic. Then again, it is a balanced trade off to have a mindless 90% combo if you can catch them with just a short 5 meter side step. But y'know, we ain't gonna stay dumb forever right? So, it's probably better to rework the character's sooner or later because when Boros is gonna be worked on, it's gonna be a whole new set of complains. freshfrenchfries when he realizes he has 3 f's in his name: 😲😲😲😲🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯