The STUPIDEST PLAYOFF SCENARIO in NFL HISTORY

Imagine a team with 7 wins and 3 losses getting in over a team with 10 wins and 3 losses. Seems absurd, right? Well, in 1963, the Pittsburgh Steelers (7-3-3) played the New York Giants (10-3) in the final week of the regular season in a battle for first place in the Eastern Conference and a spot in the 1963 NFL Championship, even though, by all accounts, it makes no sense as to why the system was like this. This is the story behind the 1963 NFL season, and one of the dumbest and stupidest playoff scenarios of all-time
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[@SteelerFanInRI]

It's amazing to me that the NFL took so long to see the huge flaw in their system where they discounted ties; a team could theoretically go 1-0-13 and still have a perfect winning percentage. PIT was not even in the same class as the Giants during this time.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

@@mattpizzano2838 that's true, but I mean from a bigger picture perspective; the Giants were an established powerhouse in the early '60s and while PIT did have some good talent, it wasn't enough to actually keep up with NY for the length of an entire season. It's a lot like their "rivalry" with New England the last two decades in that retrospect.

[@FusionCyborg]

Not to mention what happens if a team finishes 0-0-14? Can't do 0/0.

[@suicidality2744]

1-0-13 would have a better winning percentage than 13-1. How ridiculous is that?

[@billyc1956]

“As you can tell by now, this isn’t a normal world”. Classic!

[@gregwatson8219]

Football always sucked folks

[@jasonfire3434]

I remember the league used to pretend tie games just didn’t happen, but I didn’t know this was the case as late as 1972. Yikes. Thankfully they came to their senses eventually.

[@Mr.PoliticallyIncorrect]

The Steelers History DVD that was released in 2004 talks extensively about this game. It was the biggest game in Steelers history at that time, which shows how downtrodden of a franchise Pittsburgh was. The Steelers players, such as Ed Brown, were typically heavy drinkers and partied during the week before the games. However, the week before this game they were very tight and changed their routines. This hurt their play and they were decisively beaten by a Giants team they had crushed 31-0 earlier in the season.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

"Brownie ain't here. Looks like Brownie's in training, starting Wednesday. We said, that's trouble." -Myron Cope

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

It's hard to imagine a team with three ties in a season

[@Rockhound6165]

2 in a row at that and 2 of those ties were against the Eagles.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

@@Rockhound6165 and the other was against the eventual champs, the Chicago Bears; that tie I believe helped the Bears out in the standings.

[@jasonfire3434]

Overtime wasn’t a thing back then though, so it makes sense that you’d see multiple ties for some teams.

[@DNSKansas]

The 1970 Chargers are the last NFL team with three ties (5-6-3)

[@Melvinvanharn]

Chicago Bears went 7-1-6 in 1932.

[@sirstewartwallace3917]

This makes me think of the high school football playoff system in my state, where in theory, a 3-7 team could make it over an 8-2 team. The reason? They only count the last three games as teams are grouped by district rather than conference. It makes absolutely no sense but the state high school athletic commission refuses to change the format.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

High school football is wild

[@peytonreitz]

@Matt Pizzano Used to be that way in my state, when I was a junior in high school we went 2-6 but ended up getting a playoff spot over a 3-5 team because we had more power points.

[@mrmoose6619]

@Matt Pizzano I remember those well... and the inability to accurately predict if a school was going to the playoffs since the newspaper (at least the Newark Star-Ledger) did not explain the power points well...at least from what I remember.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

I still love the running clock rule in High School football. College Football should definitely use it since they don't have 2 minute warnings. Plus many games have the winning team with a 28 point lead or more.

[@sethmyers5666]

What state is that? Also, what the hell are "power points?"

[@benwaddi]

The situation around ties actually did come into play way back in 1932 and caused an extra "play-off" game to be scheduled. That extra game between the Bears (6 wins) and Portsmouth (6 wins) resulted in the loser, Portsmouth, dropping to third in the standings behind Green Bay who had 10 wins. Also adding to the Mickey Mouse nature of the NFL was the Bears and Portsmouth had both played fewer games than Green Bay when the extra game was organised.

[@Kylora2112]

1933 was the first "modern" NFL season. There was a de jure championship game and all teams played a dedicated schedule. Before that, teams just kinda wung it.

[@mrmoose6619]

1928 is about as wacky... the 8-1-2 Providence Steam Roller won the NFL title over the 11-3-2 Frankford Yellow Jackets. Granted, back then teams made their own schedules and there was not a uniform number of games played... yea, the early days of the NFL were not as organized as they are now.

[@CTubeMan]

@@Kylora2112 “Wung”? Word of the Year for 2023!

[@a.grimes4202]

And Portsmouth moved after that season and would play as the Detroit Lions, winning 4 NFL World Championships, the last in 1958, before proving themselves absolutely toothless in the ensuing 65 years. They are second only behind the Arizona Cardinals in terms of a championship drought in the NFL, with the red birds now having failed to win one in a full ¾ century (75 years).

[@stevesestrich5143]

@@CTubeMan I suppose you could say "wang".

[@dentonyoung4314]

The Giants' dominant offense got totally shut down by the Bears' defense in the 1963 title game. A brilliant assistant coach named George Allen on the Bears realized that if you could shut off screen passes and bombs, the Giants had no passing game, and devised a system to do exactly that. The Bears won 14-10.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

I think Tittle got hurt midgame, too, so that didn't help matters either.

[@notoriousbastards11]

wrong, everyone knows the Green Bay Packers won every NFL championship from 1920-1967

[@iamhungey12345]

@@notoriousbastards11 I actually wouldn't be surprised if there are Packers fans who thinks that.

[@iamhungey12345]

@@SteelerFanInRI Not to mention their backup wasn't available.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Yes. Right after Del Shofner dropped a TD pass in the end zone, Larry Morris hit Tittle low, causing an INT that led to the Bears first TD. Shofner catches that pass and it's 14-0 Giants (Frank Gifford had caught a TD pass earlier in the game) and the Bears offense, not normally a high scoring team, would have been forced to play catch up and likely the Giants take advantage, giving Tittle a championship at last. Alas, it was not to be.

[@denisceballos9745]

The New York football Giants of that era had a great team. They had Frank Gifford (16), Y.A.Tittle (14), Del Shofner (85), Joe Morrison (40). On defense; Jim Katcavage (75), Sam Huff (70), and Erich Barnes (49), amongst others. Great clips of that game at Yankee Stadium - Dec. 15, 1963. It was their last hurrah, though, as the Giants fell to last place the very next season.

[@anthonykology1728]

Madison ave Grants

[@iamhungey12345]

Indeed although 1956 is the one thing that kept them from being the 1990s Bills of their generation. Still better than nothing.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Tittle's 36 TD passes tied the pro record set by George Blanda in 1961. No one would throw more until 1984 (Dan Marino with 48).

[@altfactor]

I suspect that CBS was delighted with this weird playoff scenario, for I'd think this game was fed to most of the network (except for home areas of NFL teams who were on the road, with their road games televised back to the visiting team's home city; and cities where NFL games were being played as back then, no NFL games could be televised in cities whose local teams were at home, local team games or not) and was probably hyped by the network as a battle for a division title. In Pittsburgh, I would think that this game drew the largest local TV sports viewership since Game 7 of the 1960 World Series.

[@paulnye6025]

That Steelers logo from that era is awesome

[@clydemiller4776]

I think 1963 was the first year they used the three-astroid logo.

[@Larry_Harvilla]

@Official JaguarGator9, while I bet you would meet with little or no success if you attempt to find footage, the NFL actually owes the very existence of a championship game to a very similar situation in 1932. The Chicago Bears ended the 1932 NFL regular season with a 6-1-6 record, while the Portsmouth Spartans (two years away from moving to Detroit and re-naming themselves the Lions) were 6-1-4. The Bears and Spartans had played to 13-13 and 7-7 ties in their two regular season games, rendering useless the then-tiebreaker which dictated that the winner of the second game (if the second game was won) won the tiebreaker. So for exactly the reason of ties not counting, as happened with the 1963 Giants, Chicago and Portsmouth were effectively both 6-1. It is worth pointing out that the Green Bay Packers finished 10-3-1, some four wins better than the Bears and Spartans, and that under modern rules about how to deal with ties in the standings, the Packers would have won their fourth consecutive league championship without the need for a playoff game. It is also interesting that the loser of the playoff game would actually drop to third in the final standings, behind the Packers. But none of that mattered, because the Packers' .769 percentage with ties dropped was inferior to the Bears' and Spartans' .857 marks with the ties dropped. A 1924 NFL rule prohibiting postseason play of any kind was hastily repealed, and in equal haste the league announced a "Playoff Game" to be held at Wrigley Field, as the Bears won a coin flip that was used to select the home team. This was all fine and good until 36 hours before the game, when a blizzard and heavy snow began to cripple the entire Chicago area. With no other choice, the NFL was forced to move the game to "The Madhouse on Madison," the old Chicago Stadium. The "field," if it could even be called that, was made of tanbark from trees and simply laid atop whatever was left behind by the circus which had just left town after several shows -- which famously included a pile of elephant dung that sickened at least one Bears player into throwing up. To fit the floor dimensions (recall that Chicago Stadium was home to the Black Hawks, as the NHL team spelled its name back then) of a hockey arena, the field was shortened to 60 yards goal line to goal line. When either team got inside the opponent's 10-yard line, the ball was moved back 20 yards to mimic playing on a regulation-length field. The concepts of goalposts being on the goal line rather than the end line and of hash marks were invented for this game and lasted for decades thereafter, and drop kicks and field goals were banned for the game. DAAAAAAAAH Bearssss won the game 9-0.

[@PAGoTribe1963]

This is the same NFL that post-merger predetermine who was hosting what playoff game. A 15-0 Miami Dolphins playing for the 1972 AFC championship in Pittsburgh was stupid.

[@JayTemple]

For a hypothetical situation more extreme than what's at hand, if two teams were 2-0-15 and 1-0-16, they would need a tiebreaker.

[@a.grimes4202]

There was an interesting blurb in the lower right of the article shown towards the end of the video, stating that NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle had just recently rejected AFL Commissioner Joe Foss’ challenge for a “World Series” game between the two leagues the following season. Whether that was meant to be a kind of all-star game or a game that would’ve been the equivalent of what since SB III has been called the Super Bowl, we may never know. However, I found it intriguing and worth pointing out.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

re: "2nd dumbest decision of the '63 season" by Rozelle-guessing that the 1st was playing the regularly scheduled slate of games about 48 hours following JFK's assassination.

[@mrmoose6619]

Especially since in 1963, it would have been a very interesting contrast in styles between the Bears and Chargers. At least that's how I understood the challenge to be.

[@dangeiger9796]

The NHL also counted a tie as half a win

[@Kylora2112]

I wouldn't say "ties have no effect on your win/loss %" is objectively stupid (as ties were WAY more common in the days before regular season overtime). Do I think the half win/half loss makes more sense? Of course. But then again, I like giving teams a point for making it to overtime in the NFL. "Ties don't directly affect the standings" basically meant that a good team could afford to take a tie and not take a hit on their record, while a bad team would want to play to win the game to bolster theirs.

[@anthony0358]

Excellent video! I am sharing it with my friends who love the Giants

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

Seven years later the Giants once again were involved in a bizarre playoff scenario that JG9 alluded to about the coin flip-if NY had beaten LA, they would have won the first NFC East title and chaos would have reigned about the Wild Card between Detroit and Dallas.

[@rentslave]

George Halas was picked to toss that coin.

[@andrewberman3690]

For what it's worth, Steelers QB Ed Brown choked, and Steelers WR Gary Ballman - otherwise a fine player - fumbled the ball away before going into the endzone, untouched. Steelers Head Coach Buddy Parker later admitted that he shouldn't have forced Bobby Layne to retire after the previous season. This may also have been the only time in which not counting ties actually mattered. If there is another, please share.

[@robertmurdock1848]

1935 - the 7-3-2 Lions win the division over the 8-4 Packers and beat the 9-3 Giants for the championship.

[@anewfuture]

I figured this had to do with ties, because I recently had a conversation with someone about it is being technically possible to make the playoffs with 0 wins. Funfact: your odds of finishing 0-0-17, are worse than 1 in an undecillion.(36 0's) I'm glad they changed the old tie rules though. It makes a lot more sense for it to be a zero sum game. 1 point is always awarded every game, with either side getting 1, or both sides getting 0.5.

[@CC-rb1yf]

Obviously some ideas just make little sense when ties aren't counted. College football had some wacky rules too because OT didn't happen until 1990s and until around 1970 a team from Big 10 couldn't make Rose Bowl consecutive years and at the same time that was only bowl game a Big 10 team could go to. So if you had a great season after winning Rose Bowl then no bowl game

[@SteelerFanInRI]

I believe this was also the last game of Ernie Stautner's career.

[@clydemiller4776]

Dude once played a game with pieces of his broken thumb sticking out of his skin. Absolute legend

[@SteelerFanInRI]

@@clydemiller4776 Yes I believe that happened in this exact year, 1963.

[@lsmftymf]

Outstanding video about a situation from the NFL's past that needed to be explained in detail. Had thought about this for a long time.

[@nickbradfordsr80]

Happy New Year!!!

[@micahshaw5947]

10:07-10:16 literally happened (well, almost) a day after the video, thanks to someone almost (maybe even) dying on the field. Prayers up for Hamlin, he's fighting for his life and we need to support him and have faith that he will be ok.

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a Bengals-Oilers game in 1969 that ended 31-31. This was the first I’d heard of ties simultaneously counting and not counting.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

That was a shootout with Pete Beathard and Greg Cook matching each other blow for blow. Bob Trumpy torched the Oiler secondary for 5 catches, 159 yards (nearly 32 yards a catch) and 3 TDs (one off a triple reverse pass from Cook).

[@Rockhound6165]

The Stealers began play in 1933(they were called the Pirates their first 7 seasons). From 1933 to 1971 they made the playoffs 1 time and that was a 1 game playoff to decide who went to the NFL title game to face the eventual champion Cardinals. The rest, as they say, is history as they soon became one of the most successful franchises in history.

[@FusionCyborg]

Correction: They made the playoffs twice from 1933 to 1971. They made a 3rd place playoff bowl in 1962, which was considered a playoff game at the time.

[@Rockhound6165]

@@FusionCyborg pro football reference disagrees

[@FusionCyborg]

@@Rockhound6165 Well it's not my fault pro football reference is historically inaccurate when it comes to these retroactive stat/rule changes.

[@raytaylor6412]

Just as bizarre is the NHL system where a team gets a point for LOSING a game in overtime or shootout. I can see a time when a team, on the final day of the season, just need a point to get into the playoffs, gain home ice advantage or even end up with the best overall record under this scenario.

[@geekynerd7346]

In the NHL, the losing team gets a point because the game was a tie. Before there was an overtime, teams got two points for a win and one point for a tie. Once they started having overtime and a shootout, teams got two points for a win. The losing team gets a point because the game was a tie in regulation.

[@mikecassie3523]

@@geekynerd7346 You're right, but it's strange when you look at the standings and see that 75% of the teams appear to have winning records because in an overtime game, only a win is credited and the team that loses inn OT doesn't get charged with a loss

[@nickbradfordsr80]

OJG9, I know I'm not a patron & usually you get video ideas from your patrons but, I am a subscriber and a HUGE fan of the channel. I recently learned the 1972 Miami Dolphins who went perfect had to play the AFC Championship on the road in Pittsburgh 🤔 Just a thought 👍

[@SteelerFanInRI]

I believe he's mentioned this in a video before at least once; home field advantage was done on a rotating basis back then instead of by record.

[@nickbradfordsr80]

@@SteelerFanInRI dang I missed that. Still a decent video idea explaining why this would happen. This would never happen today 🤣 I learned it from a local sports personality in Philadelphia

[@CC-rb1yf]

Yea that's a weird rule. And that's the playoffs of the immaculate reception. Then Steelers got to host AFC title game vs undefeated team.

[@Larry_Harvilla]

Much like baseball, the NFL held on to a rotation by division to determine playoff home-field advantage. I think the NFL ended that practice in the mid-1970s, with baseball holding on a lot longer. In fact, my hometown baseball team, the Detroit Tigers, did not have home field in the 1984 World Series despite a record 12 games better than that of the San Diego Padres -- 1984 was the National League's turn, so the Padres had home field. Not that it helped, though, as Detroit won in five games, punctuated by a Game 5 bottom of the eighth inning 3-run right field upper deck shot by Kirk Gibson which extended the Tigers' lead in the game to 8-4.

[@mfm4205]

@@Larry_Harvilla tigers also didn't have home field for the alcs, since it was the west's turn for home field. cleveland in 1995 would top that, though (best record in the majors, but didn't have home field in the lds, lcs, or world series).

[@irishpanic]

This is crazy. Also, this is why I subscribe to this channel. I would have never known about this insanity

[@chopshec83]

Great video, and honestly the NFL just needs to do away with ties all together it makes absolutely no sense especially since college football did away with ties a long time ago. The formula to settle a tie game in the pros would be simple as you have one overtime period in which if the game is still tied, then you settle it in the same manner they do in college football buy dueling it out on the other teams 20 yard line until you can stop the other team from scoring and then either win the game with a field goal or touchdown.

[@chopshec83]

And to add on to that I think the extra point conversion should be on the 1 yard line to add more drama to the game, and the divisions need to be realigned so that a team underneath .500 never makes the playoffs by virtue of playing in a weak division and also gets to host of playoff game on top of that which is even more ridiculous.

[@Salvatore1268]

Happy new year buddy

[@marcus813]

I can't believe how dumb the old-guard NFL and the early post-merger NFL were so dumb when it came to breaking ties back then. Thank goodness the post-merger league came to its senses in the '70s.

[@danielbowden6330]

Great footage and wonderful video. Happy New Year's!

[@mattsmithok]

A tie DOES mean something under that system because it reduces the counted games. if you have a winning record the tie will improve your win ratio

[@coryshannon3815]

It's kind of crazy to think of this scenario playing out in general, and between the Steelers and Giants. Usually when I think of the two teams playing each other in the 60s, a game taking place the following season is the first one I think of. Then again, this scenario didn't matter, as the Giants won, and the game the following season gave us one of the most iconic images of Y.A. Tittle, that's kind of the embodiment of the brutality of football and Tittle's career winding down.

[@reidcraig3739]

As soon as I read the description in the video about the records, I immediately thought this had to do with those time games not counting for Pittsburgh before watching this clip. Still great content as usual

[@mrhead6856]

Why doesn't it make sense that the team with less losses wins? ...I like that the number of losses counted more than the number of wins

[@brentvance3958]

Do you hear yourself talking. What 3 grade education do you have.

[@johncate9541]

Because a tie game is essentially half a loss. You played and you didn't win.

[@dreadlindwyrm]

Because winning 1 , losing 0, and drawing 13 would be considered superior to winning 13, losing 1, and drawing 0. A team that wins 13 games has done better than a team that drew 13.

[@andrewgrove1691]

A lot of things In the nfl make no sense

[@FusionCyborg]

If you think this scenario was weird, just wait till you learn about the 1932 Bears. All I'll say is that they hold the record for longest tie-streak at the beginning of the season. Edit: Also it's hilarious that the offseason where the NFL made ties finally count, ended up being the offseason for the same season that the Dolphins went 14-0-0 and became the 1st team to finish perfect in the regular season and not choke their perfect season shot away in the postseason to achieve a perfect season (Although they did nearly choke it away in Super Bowl VII.), which leaves us with this interesting stat: Going into the 1972 offseason, there was 4 perfect seasons in the NFL: 1920 Pros, 8-0-3; 1922 Bulldogs, 10-0-2; 1923 Bulldogs, 11-01; 1929 Packers, 12-0-1. Going into the 1972 season, there was no perfect NFL season anymore, and at the end of the 1972 season, there was a perfect NFL season again.

[@Ssalyer41]

Watching this old league footage makes me realize how bad those teams were haha. They fumble so much.

[@stevengrvp]

Happy new year

[@bobfr4806]

If the Steelers had played overtime in these 3 games, they would only need a 2-1 OT record to get a "winner takes all" final game.

[@unmaskedbloodbender6737]

After watching todays games, i know what tomorrows dumb decisions video’s gonna be

[@CutterHistorical]

CRISIS AVERTED because the Giants won as is

[@rentslave]

The Chargers had a much better offense than had the Giants.Two of their offensive players from that team are in Canton.They would have blown the Bears out onto Waveland Avenue.

[@robertlindey2538]

Instead of using winning PERCENTAGES to determine championships, the NFL could use STANDINGS POINTS instead. The latter system is used by the Canadian Football League and was used by the NHL (the league no longer allows its games to end in ties). After every regular season game, the winning team receives TWO standings points and the losing team receives ZERO. If a game ends in a tie, each team gets ONE point. With the 1963 scenario you described, the NY Giants would've had 20 standings points and the Steelers would've had only 17. Even If the Steeler's would've defeated the Giants in that regular season finale, they would've had only 19 standings points.

[@darrencole97]

The same league that made the Undefeated 1972 Miami Dolphins play on the road at the Pittsburgh Steelers for the AFC Championship.

[@SomeGuy712x]

Makes me wonder what would've happened if a team tied all of their games back then? Would there have been a division-by-zero error when trying to calculate their win rate?

[@anewfuture]

My gut says they would be treated as winless, but it would be hilarious to see the reactions to such an event.

[@daveerhardt1879]

Crazy rule and the NFL was okay with this? The fact it took 9 years to change this rule is absurd.

[@CTubeMan]

At 11:46 you alluded to the one video I’d like to see you do. This would be the ultimate Dumb Decision/In Defense Of (TM), except for the seriousness of the subject matter.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

I'm glad someone commented on this; nobody really talks about what a blunder it was at the time by Pete Rozelle to continue league play right after the JFK assassination, at least not on KZbin that I'm aware of.

[@rickeuler5792]

Actually, the Giants would not have clinched the division title "long before" the Steeler game. The Browns were 9-4 going into the final weekend and the Giants were 10-3. The Browns won their final game (10-4). Had the Giants lost to the Steelers, even if the current standings system was in effect, the Giants would have had to play the Browns in a playoff game.

[@jamesmooney8933]

Premature: Steelers are now 8 & 8. A win against the Browns will place the Steelers at 9 & 8 or over .500 The second half Steelers have a very good record for a team starting a rookie Quarter Back. The purpose of a Wild Card is for a team that had some bad luck, but came back strong. I guess you like to see a lot of team out of the running fake the game. The last 2 Steelers game were decided in the last minute. I guess you'd like to see teams waiting for next year, going through the motion.

[@O4C209]

I'm pretty sure if the Giants hadn't handled business the NFL would have corrected this nonsense the following year. Everyone's fine with a system until everyone is not.

[@royveteto4134]

today the nba is dealing with this. not ties but games where they give their starters the game off

[@suspence5832]

games can end up high but won't count in the standings??? Just because something was created 30 years ago doesn't mean it was a great idea. It would've made more sense if they did it like soccer's standing system. (Wins=3pts, ties=1pt, loss=0)

[@aaronholcomb237]

Michigan once went 9-0-3 and won the Rose Bowl. Would they have been considered for the national championship as well?

[@leogetz3570]

8:05... that referee really, really wanted to signal that touchdown!! 11:43... "Pete Rozelle's second dumbest decision of the 1963 season". Yeah, his dumbest was a real doozy and I know it haunted him for a long time

[@deepdrag8131]

You can be in 1st place in the NHL with fewer wins than the 2nd place team… …and they seem to be fine with that. Hell, it could even happen today in the NFL. An 11-6 team would be behind a 10-4-3 team. It happens less than it did, but you can still tie these days.

[@eeveongaming9597]

i wish they would bring back the old tie rule

[@davidharmon4820]

As a Steelers fan I still think the 1963 season was a really really weird season and going against the Giants for winner against all and I wasn't a fan of this situation that happened to be played and I agree it is bizarre and very stupid 💛💛💛💛💛🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤 and it really doesn't make any sense at all and it's completely baffling

[@jasonreimer4742]

Dude All I can say is Y O U R O K & I’m not worthy 🚶‍♀️

[@jasonreimer4742]

So Fukin talented To get all that footage …. Have that much knowledge of MY team the Vikings From waaaaaay back Speak to me sideways, in codes, any Q’s lol. Of how I could get even sum of footage of everything in contexts Comon bro 🎉🎉🔥🔥🔥

[@suicidality2744]

The NFL should have expanded the playoffs beginning in 1961 with the introduction of the 14 game season. The top 2 teams in each conference should have made it. It would have kept more teams alive late in the season. The first place team in one conference would host the second place team from the other. Winner of those games play for the NFL title. The AFL would adopt this system during their final season in 1969.

[@PittsburghMarky]

The thing is, this is still done in baseball, and I think that’s where the NFL was getting this dismissal of ties. They’ll count the player stats (Pete Rose tied Ty Cobb’s hit record in a tie game against the Cubs) but ties are simply ignored in the MLB standings.

[@johncate9541]

But in MLB, nearly all ties are simply games that were suspended with a score tied, and later just declared a tie if there was no need to finish them. If a game is called official as a tie and turns out to mean something in the standings, they replay it. The NFL was very different. They play everything to completion, and prior to 1972, if it ended in a tie, it just didn't count. This means a lot in a 14-game season, as opposed to one of 154 or 162 games.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

@@johncate9541 yep the NFL is pretty much uneffected by weather where as the MLB. They just can't play in the rain unless it's a game clinching series or nearing the end of the game.

[@Fireyninjadog]

The giants would go into free fall after 1963, for a while

[@stevenmqcueen7576]

It was 60 years ago. Who gives a crap? Must have been a slow day at Official JaguarGator9.

[@goonerbear8659]

Anything that comes up on this channel is not nornal by default.

[@sparklerbc9898]

"the tie games dont count" is a bit of an exaggeration here. everyone had to play the same # of games, they could have lost those games, but they didnt. its not really like one team just played 3 less games. they count in a way, just not what youre used to. conversely, we could say "the team with the fewest losses gets in" the giants would have 4 losses, the steelers only 3. why should the team with more losses get to advance? thats just dumb! they lost more games!

[@anthonykology1728]

The Giants saved the NFL again...

[@danadowning2065]

And Tampa Bay will be the 4th seed... Possibly with a losing record.

[@barbaracaroll]

The NFL always pandered to the Steelers no surprise

[@areguapiri]

Took way too long to get to the point of the video.

[@patrickstogsdill74]

Sounds like cornhile

[@richardtherichard26]

Just another exhibit in my argument that ties should not be a thing in any universe bc they are terrible. You’re trying to determine who is better. I don’t care how long it takes figure it out.

[@smoothsmitty67]

I enjoyed the two shots of the referees at 7:27 and at 8:07.

[@e93sports80]

Hey!

[@discodavid26]

Soccer league system off 3 points for a win 1 for a tie none for a loss is so much better …… the serial winners finish higher/highest … teams that win 50% lose 50% finish lower in the final standings but also just ahead off teams who tie everything … who themselves finish higher then serial losers … perfect system ……save overtime for when it’s really needed … knockouts playoffs !

[@hggfhh4449]

Eagles fan rooting for dougie p. Go Jags

[@w7lves]

GET RID OF TIES

[@markgraham2312]

You do a really poor job of explaining it at the beginning of this video. Ties have counted as a half-win and half-loss in league standings since 1972; before that, ties were not counted in the standings at all. The NFL did this not to correct the 1963 event, but to discourage ties! So going into the final week of the season, think of the Giants as 10-3 and the Steelers as 7-3. If the Steelers won they would be 8-3 and the Giants would be 10-4. The Steelers would have a .727 winning percentage with 3 losses, and the Giants would have a .714 winning, with 4 losses. Now, that is clear. That is not stupid, it makes sense. That's not absurd! They count as 0 wins, 0 losses, or KISSING YOU SISTER! Oh, Pete Rozelle was an idiot! Ties don't count in most of college football. Unfair? Unfair! Dating is unfair! Champ Sun 1963-12-29 Chicago Bears New York Giants boxscore 14 10

[@mikeobrien1559]

It's still stupid. Divisions and conferences are meaningless contrivances. No wait, they're worse than that. If the season were over now, the 7-8 Bucs would be a division champion while the 12-4 Cowboys would be a wild card. It should be one big league in which the top eight teams make the playoffs. 1 plays 8, 2 plays 7, etc., and who's ever left plays in the SB.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

I imagine divisions are there for ease of scheduling purposes; it makes it easier for the league to figure out who is playing whom in a given year if you divvy it up some way, and grouping teams together geographically (though the NFL obviously has some inconsistencies with that) makes travel easier. A league this big just needs some organization and doing away with divisions/conferences would be detrimental imo.

[@mikeobrien1559]

@@SteelerFanInRI You don’t need divisions to do that.

[@ravivaithinathan1222]

My theory is this: the main reason why the NFL won’t change the way it is now is because of money/ratings. The more teams that have a shot, even teams that are 7-8, the more ratings and thus more money.

[@SteelerFanInRI]

@@mikeobrien1559 divisions make it easier though; why scrap a system already in place and replace it with nothing? It's not like the NFL is the only league with conferences and divisions and it's some wild conception lol; you don't think there's a reason every major sports league in North America uses this format to divvy up teams?

[@SteelerFanInRI]

@@ravivaithinathan1222 ...but under a divisionless, conferenceless league, literally only the top teams would make the playoffs instead of having mediocre teams in, so that logic doesn't really make sense; wouldn't they get more revenue from playoff games between two excellent teams than a good team vs a mediocre one where we all know the result as soon as the matchup is announced?

[@seek790222]

12:20 I was 😂 when JG9 mentioned using a calculator to figure out the standings. There were no calculators on the market in 1963. In those days you needed an abacus 🧮 to figure it out!😂

[@leogetz3570]

or long division....lol. And to imagine, an abacus, slide rule, and long division is how they put the first man on the moon!!