The Sun Also Rises - Ernest Hemingway BOOK REVIEW

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[@matthewjaco847]

When I was a student at the University of Tennessee, I checked out a copy of this book from the Hodges Library. It was beat to hell. There were corners ripped (one fell out completely while I was reading it). Somebody had even done there math homework in the back. In pen, no less. Out of curiosity, I checked the publication history in the front. Weirdly, there was only one date listed. “Oh no,” I thought… When I finished reading it, I brought the book to the front desk, and sure enough, we were holding what was left of a first edition in our hands. According to her, it should have been placed into the Rare Books catalogue years beforehand, but somehow, it had slipped into General Circulation. It’s a hell of a book, but needless to say, we both died a little that day.

[@perry6762]

I also went to UT I wonder if it’s still there

[@matthewjaco847]

@@perry6762 The chances are good, though I’m not sure what state the book might be in now. I miss that library.

[@debrachambers1304]

*their I actually don't want you to correct this in your comment though, I like keeping the mistake in because it mirrors the wear and tear of the book you read.

[@PrincessHathor]

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[@vicjames3256]

This book still has one of my favorite last sentences: "Isn't it pretty to think so."

[@vicjames3256]

Read this during my semester in Barcelona, right after I'd visited Pamplona and saw my first bullfight (brutal). Being in Spain, intimately knowing a Brett, having a Robert Cohn as a friend IRL, I felt a closeness to this novel. And at 20 that last line hit me hard.

[@quitefranklyjosh]

The last line is "isn't IT pretty to think so?". What you said completely changes the context my friend.

[@vicjames3256]

@@quitefranklyjosh hahaha sorry for the typo. Def changes the context lol

[@jaekn]

Spoiler alert.. lol

[@andym28]

I could Imagine from a trip to Spain I took li hasn't changed much from the basque country to spain to pamplona lifs is probably still cosisting of cava and tapas parties even if he did get his dick injured to rise another day.

[@diegolunkes2062]

You talked so passionately about The Old Man and the Sea that you made me read the book and it was an amazing experience. Hugs from Brazil.

[@kauageddes1378]

não consigo mais ver um vídeo sem achar comentário brasileiro kkkkkkkkkk salve meu compatriota

[@marknewton6984]

Try A Farewell to Arms!

[@hermetischism4671]

I think the lack of "Carpe Diem" today has a lot to do with just how addictive the internet is. The neurological studies are pretty clear in that it saps our dopamine which is our main driver for motivation. I was born in the late nineties and even I remember a time when It was fairly common to have lengthy conversations with strangers and to see other people doing the same.

[@bluegregory6239]

Hemingway had more real experiences in his relatively short life than any given hundred of today's soft generation. Wrote better about those experiences, too.

[@hermetischism4671]

@@bluegregory6239 The PBS documentary on his life by Ken Burns is amazing if you haven't seen it

[@sean48442]

Interesting point about the era allowing people to actually "breathe."

[@nikkivenable73]

Omg, this hit hard. I agree.

[@brightlights23]

I wonder if that’s just European life though

[@BroShredGnar]

This book completely bored me to death. Always lovely to see how different folks perspectives can vary so much!

Same here.

[@justoguillermomontoya3821]

Likewise

[@andrewlurndahl]

Glad to see this review, my wife recently passed away, and we both loved this novel.

[@billhicks8]

Sorry for your loss, I hope reading the novel you both loved gives some moments of reprieve

[@nikkivenable73]

😢. How are you? That’s probably, no, it is, the stupidest question. You are living probably my worst nightmare. I nearly lost my husband 4 years ago from cancer and by God’s grace, he survived. But now I’m so damn paranoid every day I’m going to lose him and so life isn’t very enjoyable. I’m trying to work through it. One thing I realized when I nearly lost him is that I didn’t cherish him nearly enough. It was not a fun feeling. I pray you can find joy again, Andrew. Books are such a great comfort and I hope you can find some of them to crawl into and find some peace. Much love from Omaha.

[@BetterThanFoodBookReviews]

I am deeply sorry to hear that Andrew. I hope you are as well as can be. Thank you for watching.

[@quinnholleman1547]

I (and this may have been my own space in life at the time) honestly got the exact opposite feeling from the novel when I first read it last October. The characters are all trying to fill the void left by the war with partying and drinking and travel and sex and yet they keep chasing after something else because nothing gives them any purpose. Yes, it shows the decadence of the time, but it also shows the emptiness and loneliness of all these characters wandering around aimlessly with nowhere to go and nothing to do, having to deal with their own despair at how utterly meaningless their lives feel, and it's Jake, the hard-working man who has to deal with what the war literally did to him who, by the end, begins to learn and grow while everyone else wastes their lives away chasing after the wind.

[@nickkoprowicz4831]

That was my interpretation too

[@han.nah.]

Just finished it; same here.

[@bobhopper609]

I first read this book in high school and loved it. What I loved more, though, was A Farewell to Arms. That struck me hard.

[@jamesbaxterfromax]

I think the last chapter is stunning as well. One of my favourites sections from any book. Really moving.

[@prioritystrength]

I'm intrigued by your commentary at the end of the video about the travel scenes. There's a lot about Sun that I didn't appreciate on the first pass, but for me, the more bucolic scenes were the most striking. I read it about a year and a half ago and I can still picture the fishing scene ("This is country") with as much clarity as anything I've read over the last few weeks. Reading those few pages felt to me like stepping into a painting that's impossibly vivid for the scant number of brushstrokes needed to paint it.

[@SirinxDumplings]

I love this book... I love the last page so much I wanna cry....

[@edgared9658]

I still remember the first time I started reading “The old man and the sea”. I fell in love with his prose immediately, with the first damn paragraph. Then I read “The sun also rises”. Then “A moveable feast”… and since then, he became my favorite writer. And you are right: no one else writes like him, not even if they try.

[@ThePortlyRaven]

Excellent video! I read this book at university, which was a long time ago 😂 This brought a lot of memories back, thank you. Also, I really admire what you’ve achieved with your channel, and it’s one of the inspirations for recently starting my own channel, so thank you again. Peace from Australia!

[@johnsailorsgoat]

Love this book too! I'll get around to rereading it at some point because I know it will all the more incredible.

[@desgrazi]

I have that same difficult to build physical spaces in my head, felt that reading The Tartar Steppe a few days ago, but it doesn't diminished the greatness of the book at all. Haven't read any Hemingway yet, but after your review I'll certainly look after this one. Thanks!

[@timothychristopher1691]

"Everybody Behaves Badly" is an amazing read!

[@vicjames3256]

I'm with you about the physical descriptions being harder to grasp than even the more complex of concepts.

[@susannestrub6695]

Aaaah, Hemingway! I am so happy to hear how you describe his writing, his way of telling a story - because I agree completely! What a pleasure, thank you so much! Greetings from Belgium (not far from Paris 😉)

[@alm5851]

Reading now! Ty for the review.

[@CalebBedford]

‘Everybody Behaves Badly’ was a really interesting read for me and a good source of additional information for the novel. I like that it takes a journalistic approach instead of a literary one.

[@ellelala39]

My reading notes say I read this book in 2010, and like you, Cliff, I don't remember much of it at all. Though I do remember a lot about Hemingway the man. Due for a reread, methinks. Thanks!

[@usmnt4423]

Clifford Lee “Suns Out, Guns Out” Sargent

[@samuelshaw3058]

Damned good review. One of my favourites too and it is nice to have someone give a more analytical slant to it than I can.

[@donovanwhitley775]

The story of all of Hemingway’s injuries alone is itself dramatic and tragic-having ultimately committing suicide from, arguably, hemochromatosis and severe concussions.

[@r.s.9861]

Timeless Masterpiece! Great Review!

[@mn7392]

For me, Hemingway is one of the good nature writer. Reading Big Two-Hearted River, I felt as if I was there with him.

[@vaildog1]

The first chapter is one of the best in American literature, culminating in the “Try to take it.” Repetition, absolutely devastating and probably one of the most understated depictions of masculinity in crisis that I’ve ever read.

[@renoesmaeilian9489]

Read this beautiful novel 30 years ago and went to Pamplona and did the bill run and met a beautiful Spanish woman there. It was the best time of my life.

[@alistair5990]

Just finished reading this one. Hemingway’s prose will never die. Thank you for your fine words, Cliff. Thinking about the next Hemingway I’ll check out.

[@Phoenixx42]

Thanks for this. I've read this long ago but I'm going to actually read it now, if you understand.

[@DangerfieldChris]

Just found your channel. I like it. This is a damn good novel. Best wishes.

[@TimOnBooks]

Great review Clifford. And a fantastic summary of Hemingway's writing style. I've read pretty much everything he's written, and The Sun Also Rises is my second favorite (To Have and Have Not is actually my favorite, even though it is considered "critically" his worst book). I really enjoy your videos because we definitely gravitate toward similar authors/styles. For 20+ years, I've averaged 100-150 books read per year, and some of my favorite authors are Camus, J. G. Ballard, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Bradbury, Vonnegut, etc. I also read a lot of SciFi/Fantasy, so I wanted to make a recommendation for you: Hyperion by Dan Simmons. I think you would absolutely love this book. Think Canterbury Tales meets modern, uncensored SciFi. It's technically a four book series, but often read as two and two. Full of amazing character development across multiple worlds and rants about religion and politics. Considered controversial as well because it is chocked-full of sex and violence. The series is a beast (about 2,500 pages across all four books) but would be totally worth the investment of time. I consider the best book ever written in the genre.

[@pufyshoes]

I have a really hard time constructing a town layout when it’s described like “the bank is north of the river that runs south west past the school, which is bounded…” etc etc

[@BookmarkwithDonNoble]

WOW!!!!! this video is so good!

[@SymbolsPatternsGnosis]

The clipped dialogue with Jake Barnes and Ashley in the back of the taxi cab without the “he said” “she said” signifiers is progressive - an inverted echo of the type of text message dialogue used by Jennifer Egan in A Visit From The Goon Squad.

[@SymbolsPatternsGnosis]

An excellent follow up to ‘the sun also rises’ would be Steinbeck’s first acclaimed novel “in dubious battle”.

[@theangelzlayer]

Think I see The Obscene Bird of Night by Jose Donoso on your shelf. Incredibly based.

[@valdircanado]

Great review!

[@barbarajohnson1442]

Thank you!!

[@patrickweller5254]

I've struggled to get into this during my one and only attempt prior. I'll give it another go at some point.

[@modernoverman]

I bought this book last year, this review makes me really want to finally sit down and read it.

[@jaekn]

But the purchase of a book doesn't inspire such actions. Interesting.

[@madguitar1086]

Good luck. It’s a snoozer.

[@Ivan-hm9jz]

I remember reading something by Bukowski where he said "The Sun Also Rises" was about "a guy who cannot get it up". I read Hem's debut novel about 5 times, listened to its audioversion once. Must read, must re-read, must have and must gift.

[@beryloflove]

Well, somehow I had missed that his injury prevented him from having sex during my recent read through, so that really adds a whole deeper layer to the book. Wow

[@gordonfelesina3170]

Best book reviewer on KZbin!!

[@fredymendez855]

So I usually read contemporary fiction and I wanted to dive into some classics, for many of the books I read it only takes me 2-3 weeks to finish them, but with this book it took 3 months of sporadic reading. The language and style of writing was new to me and read slower than usual, also because I read this book sporadically I missed or forgot the part that gave the reader a hint that Jake was impotent! This fact alone explains so much because I grew frustrated to see Jake having to witness the woman he loves get shagged by other men left and right. I wished i would have read it properly.

[@christopherviggiano9367]

That was a damn fine good video

[@kirkalex5257]

You da man, Cliff. Awesome review. Where can people send you books? Quite of my output is blue collar, and have one entitled You're Gonna Have Trouble that I would like to send in to you to look at, sir. Thank you.

[@MementoMorituri]

Clifford Lee Sargent: "Whoever you are...just grabbing life by the balls and going as HARD as you can..." Jake Barnes: "Not cool."

[@chadennis2688]

Yes sir!

[@thankyoutruckers]

"it's a story of virility shot to pieces" that's one hell of a pun

[@Liisa3139]

Not a day goes by when I wouldn't think that if only I could destroy this whole digital "culture", including the internet, I would do it without hesitation and I would not miss it. So, maybe I could read this book and get a taste of the times when you had time to "waste" with friends, not doing much else than observing other people, talking, sharing meals, drinking etc. And totally without somebody reminding that this or that is unhealthy (like smoking, cigarettes) and that you should hurry here or there. I'm glad that I got to live a good portion of my life before the world went digital. Life REALLY was better before. So f*n much better.

[@ottol.1716]

Plot twist: you still can do this!

[@Liisa3139]

@@ottol.1716 Practically impossible to live without any digital connection. Only homeless people may do it, but their lifestyle is not appealing. I personally don't have a smartphone, but any meeting with friends will involve digital interference via their gadgets.

[@fluffymadeupcat]

A lovely sentiment. As a child of the 80s and 90s I feel so lucky to not have grown up with the internet. I feel we all had more freedom, more friends, more time, more fun and a heckload less anxiety.

[@themiddleplace]

​@@Liisa3139 the thing is, probably by intentional design, that it's all connected isn't it and on your phone and most people need their phone for work, despite how self-disciplined you it's almost impossible to not get sucked back in. I ended up making a political vid after avoiding politics for months just because I happened to look at Reddit and see the wrong thing. And here I am now discussing the whole thing with you!

[@pastel7324]

Move to Europe.

[@keithyeager8117]

You should consider doing a podcast. I think you’d nail it.

[@mn7392]

I watched your review of On the Road just before this one and I see a connection between the two books in the manic movement of Brett, Jake, et al. They can't seem to sit still and are constantly looking for something fulfilling - sex, a meal, booze, a good bullfight.

[@kieran_forster_artist]

Enjoyed the positivity in this book and in the review….the carpe diem idea is not as embraced anymore, as Cliff said.

[@nosmoker8]

Spain is the absolute shit. Hemingway enhanced my trip like no other author could do it regardless of what country one would be inspired to visit. My understanding is that this book was finished in Valencia, and when I was in Valencia I made it a mission to go to Hemingway’s favorite restaurant there, La Pepica, which was affordable as fuck and an absolute treat from the atmosphere to the joviality of the waiters to the food itself. As expected, there was a fairly large glasses panel dedicated to the man itself on one of the walls, along with perhaps hundreds of other people’s photographs all over the restaurant, a lot of them having been toreadores, of course. No trip to Spain, or Paris and Milan for that matter, should be made without a little Hemingway in the backpack. An adequate review, I’ve a feeling this is just the kind of review that would have made Papa NOT want to uppercut the critic in the jaw.

[@Liisa3139]

In what way was Spain a sh*?

[@girishgowda7661]

​@@Liisa3139 when someone says it's the shit, it implies they like it as opposed to it's shit. Well, that means the obvious. It's just gen z slang😅

[@fj103]

Thanks!

[@BetterThanFoodBookReviews]

Thanks very much for your kind support FJ!

[@heraalltheway]

being american cultural culture student and watching videos from 10 year or only 1 year by this man

[@testcardII]

Friendships between men and women, indeed…not really a common subject in books, it seems. My best friends have always been male, for some reason. Genuine, long-lasting friendships. Great video!

[@bluegregory6239]

"Isn't it pretty to think so?" One of the Ten Best Novels in American History, and quite arguably Hemingway's best.

[@dirteater7579]

Have you ever read or heard of the novel Blindsight by Peter Watts? I just finished it and am now telling literally anyone that will listen to read it, that shit made HP lovecraft feel like scary stories to tell in the dark. That shit was so terrifying it made me question if God could exist if the ideas proposed are true. Everyone who sees this comment should read it and Clifford, I will give you a fat kiss on the mustache if you talked about it in a video

[@antherthalmhersser7239]

Next do a farewell to arms and wear a long sleeved shirt

[@rustyshackelford934]

Absolutely beautiful novel. I love most of the novels of his, that I’ve read, but this is the one that I can truly relate to the most. For good or bad. There does seem to feel like a liberating freedom throughout the book, to just experience life to the fullest without any inhibitions. I know what you mean though, everything has a fake sheen of positivity (when everyone seems miserable), they say nice things, but it all is a facade and they try to sell you that every single moment of life is profound. And then finishing it by trying to sell you a Lexus.

[@taylor5065]

In the introduction to my copy it claims that Hemingway said that he didn’t intend for jake to have a physical injury, only that the war caused him to lose his sex drive. Which I personally think fits the story better

[@dianal.clausen8118]

That rings true with me, Taylor. Somewhere, somehow I was taught that by someone I respected. I think that makes it even sadder.

[@jackwalter5970]

Yes, Hemingway said Jake didn't actually lose his jewels. Not sure what the "injury" was.

[@taylor5065]

@@dianal.clausen8118 agreed :)

[@taylor5065]

@@jackwalter5970 I believe a potential symptom of PTSD is lack of sex drive, so I guess there’s one explanation

[@nozecone]

How do we explain the bit where the Italian officer says Jake "gave MORE than his life", then? (Proviso: it's been almost fifty years since I read that novel; please don't tell me that that's not even in there!).

[@robertmoore8602]

I'd say Mark Twain is THE AMERICAN AUTHOR but I will check this Hemingway guy out. Thanks.

[@user-hn7my8ow4s]

Good review .....

[@johanvoellner1849]

Sober and interesting analysis of this book, considering that i went through something similar to Jake Barnes. Not in the war though, but a similar consequence, so this book has been eye opening for me. Life is interesting all right, hard at times, but new dimensions open up for you when sex is no longer the default option.

[@jackrimbaud3826]

Everybody Behaves Badly is a pretty good novel about the making of Sun and Hemingway's early years. Well worth reading.

[@wabisabi7755]

You know what you were doing in that thumbnail. 😉 💪

[@marvincastro5929]

one of my favorite books

[@aliteralwolfstaint8017]

Hey, Cliff. How's your day going?

[@barbarajohnson1442]

Fun, I just got this out, because I love his short stories. I must say in other countries there is a joie du Vivre, every night social, COMMUNITY! We are off the rails here, chasing the $

[@liammogan257]

i have the same edition as you! its my fave Hemingway

[@szabolcsmezei4088]

Have you read any Corfu stories by Durrell? (either of the two writers)

[@dianal.clausen8118]

I'm a fan and f Lawrence Durrell, The Alexandria Quartet, set in Egypt before Israel came to be. I think you'll find it compelling.

[@Jimdunne_]

Just finished reading this novel….I struggled to grasp the meaning and have found it quite boring….but a deeper Analysis and reflection it clicks with me, particularly the disillusionment and the paralysis within the characters - strangely positive and happy

[@jackiehammerton]

Just finished it ❤

[@senorfunball]

While reading this I was like WTF ? Short choppy sentences, drinking, eating, drinking, drinking... But by the end, reading the final page i was overwhelmed, so great, soon after saw the PBS biography of Hemingway, what a character, truly larger than life 👍👍👍

[@v.cackerman8749]

No anesthesia!? Jesus Christ. Anyways, Ernest Hemingway is on my list of “authors I need to read more”.

[@Krillinjustchillin]

Anyone have any suggestions on other books like this?

[@calj27]

Before I read the sun also rises at 22 I’m sure I was still reading (unenthusiastically) young adult novels, in a massive reading slump. This book got me into all the important early 20th century writers.

[@LiteraryAtlas]

Definitely a worthy novel to get you into these kind of writers!

[@skylarkportraitstudio]

Sure looks like Florida. Tampa possibly. Florida definitely. Books tend to mold pretty darn quick out there if you leave them out on the patio table. Still good for dog chews if you do. Still good for killing skeeters if the dog won’t. Bad ones are for whacking a neighbor who hits your house with a hack drive. Love books. They are so useful.

[@mikewiest5135]

When I saw the thumbnail I thought you were reviewing GUNS OF NAVARONE 💪🏻😂

[@CookiesNMilf]

You look so much like Arthur from Peaky Blinders. I’ve been trying to place the face and just started rewatching it. Is he a long lost brother? Are you a Shelby? You have that class about you.

[@benp4877]

Thankfully Cliff doesn’t have Arthur’s … eh, personality issues!

[@jymwrite]

It's ironic that you used the phrase "grabbing by the balls" considering the plight of Jake Barnes. This is one of the books that I read and reread when I was learning to write, there's a lot to be learned in Hemingway, especially As the Sun Also Rises.

[@normalguy4548]

Took me nearly 200 pages to realize that tight meant drunk

[@qwertzasdfgh4710]

Bro you gotta try War at the End of the World trust me 😊

[@materiagrix]

I am currently reading this book, it is not only the worst Hemingway I’ve read so far, but it is the worst novel I have read in a long time. It is basically a bad journal, and a depiction of travelling from what I call a surface traveller (a typical male middle aged American tourist). But I’m glad someone gets to enjoy it

[@cansueceklc7745]

So interesting I’ve read my fair share of Hemingway and this was my favourite 😂 probably because I like stories that reflect the spirit of the time it was written in. Glad he wrote other novels so we all have something to enjoy by him.

[@taylor5065]

@@cansueceklc7745 to me it is barely beaten or tied by A Farewell to Arms, it’s so hard to chose

[@cansueceklc7745]

@@taylor5065 That one was also fantastic I think it scarred me for life though. Definitely a close second for me.

[@taylor5065]

@@cansueceklc7745 I had no idea it was gonna end that way, I swear I’ll always remember that shock.

[@cansueceklc7745]

@@taylor5065 Especially after reading the other possible endings he plotted my broken appreciation increased He surely chose the most devastating one. It was so sudden just like death itself brilliant!

[@kevinkrochak2546]

"I think Hemingway's drunkenness was a rebellion against the stiff and stodgy sobriety of his parents.....and of course, also to get fucked up." 🤣 Thanks, I really enjoy all your reviews.

[@emaan7023]

Wow.

[@filmlover123]

Clifford looks like David Benioff mixed with Bradley Cooper. Why can't I find a partner who is obsessed with books like I am who looks like this??? 😂

[@doctorfaustxvi]

'mirin the physique, lean and mean 👌🏻

[@littledebby365]

I wish he as well as Hunter S Thompson hadn't killed themselves. I think they realized they had created a monster persona, and at some point could not Feed The Monster anymore. It's a pity they could not separate themselves from the persona, and pivot back to reality.

[@SymbolsPatternsGnosis]

Take a look at Hemingway’s story “a cat in the rain“. Now compare it to his novel The Garden of Eden. It’s the same story. You’ll need to be familiar with esoteric Jewish creation myths involving Lilith. Take a look at the old man and the sea. Now consider this novel you’re reviewing here. It’s the same story… one of these days you’ll see it. Good luck out there. “ there’s a bull and a Matador dueling in the sky. Inhale, in hell, there’s heaven.”

[@coreyjenrette8060]

One of my literature professors once told me I should stop proudly admiring Hemingway’s work because he was sexist and misogynistic. Poor lady. Really put a bad taste in my mouth.

[@grantlovesbooks]

I don't know that I would recommend the Festival of San Fermin. I was there in 2001, lucky that I arrived two days early, and got to see the town before the hoards arrived. But it felt as though the entire city were preparing for a siege, which is not unrealistic. Aside from the statue of Hemingway, there is very little to do with culture. All the idiots from all over, come to get drunk and behave like animals. It is mostly about drinking. Running with the bulls is quite good, but unbelievably reckless. I also did a review of this, and my experience in Pamplona, kzbin.info/www/bejne/anyramOHeZVmZsk

[@littledebby365]

Idiots from all over; that reminds me of the scene at Sloppy Joe's in Key West.

[@SymbolsPatternsGnosis]

Isn’t it pretty to think so?

[@littledebby365]

A timeless line.

[@SymbolsPatternsGnosis]

@@littledebby365 that sealed the deal for me in high school when I first read it- Zing!

[@lionstandingII]

14:59.....yesh, Ah do....abruptly separated from a woman Ah was with for 15 years on The Other Side of the World....one month later locked down with no income, no human contact except a Chinese girl cashier at the 7-11 a block away which became the sum totality of mah orbit...almost a year and a half passing and finally being driven from the situation which Ah felt justly mirrored the Siege of Stalingrad(except Ah didn't have to eat wallpaper or endure shelling per say) back to this side of the world where Ah'm a non-person as if reborn with no official background or history without refugee status and with a mind completely culturally askew from the monumental demographic shift that has transpired in mah absence.....but...hey....stll standin'. Better Than Food videos helped get mahself through a lot of the turmoil and Ah thank you....

[@duswil3934]

post ww1 and spanish flu. They were happy to be alive.

[@unchartedrocks1]

No way the character is a reflection of Hemingway himself. "The character is a heavy drinker." "Nvm. I stand corrected."

[@hilariousname6826]

The young and impressionable should be protected from this novel - it will lead them to believe that they and their 'friends' can all be or are just like Jake and Brett and their circle. They will drink far too much, do stupid shit as a result, have conversations that they imagine are original, accomplish nothing, and keep journals that will embarrass them later in life. This is, of course, just speculation on my part, based solely on observation ......

[@olav1354]

Sugestion: To kill a mockingbird!