The Sun is Leaking

[@AnriSonohara1]

Just wanna point out, "they" are the moddb moderators. They took the files down as a precaution, until the devs can prove the files aren't malicious

[@zdelrod829]

To be fair, DLLs can be decompiled if you know how to use the software that the NSA had created and released to the public (it's also open source iirc)

[@H4L0GUY117]

yeah, they cant prove that its not, by every definition malicious and for multiple reasons

[@JPS13Laptop]

@@zdelrod829 You don’t have to use Ghidra though. There are other decompilers.

[@HyperwolfSama]

Let's not bs ourselves, they did it not for precautions but to not get an angry mob talking smack about them more for their reaction about their mod.

[@MaximusChivus]

​@@HyperwolfSama Making it so the game crashes for specific users is by definition a malicious file, that shit does not fly

[@TrollGarlic]

The sun is leaking

[@soupmari]

The sun is leaking

[@antonyPascual-nq8gy]

The sun is leaking

[@christmaskrima]

The sun is leaking

[@flamingscar5263]

The sun is leaking

[@Bananoker]

The sun is leaking

[@Noistisix]

And the funny thing is the fact they tried to ban a critic of the mod, but they entered the wrong steam id and banned some random steam account.

[@Luizitos_Doritos]

they got Radiation Hazard's SteamID wrong, right?

[@Noistisix]

@@Luizitos_Doritosyea

[@Powderheimer]

the end is i tried so leaking

[@hooliganbubsy7298]

@Noistisix -critisiser- Critic

[@Noistisix]

@@hooliganbubsy7298My bad. Never learned that word

[@teimuraztavberidze]

the sun is leaking sounds like an scp

[@maxifire32]

SCP-[REDACTED] The Sun is Leaking Object class: Apollyon Description: SCP-[REDACTED] is an anomalous occurrence more often than not present within abandoned buildings, in which photons from sunlight will phase through solid matter, mainly the base, top, and sides of walls, floors and ceilings, Class Ds reported this phenomenon is rather similar to lighting errors in videogames. While normally innocuous if too many photons from the light "leak" (as researchers call it) the photons have nowhere to exit, causing the room to heat up to temperatures up to 9000 C°. This phenomenon can spread through elongated exposure to "leaked" photons, there's no limit to what can be affected by this and it is unstoppable once it has occurred, hence if it ever begins spreading out of control it could destroy all of humanity Special containment procedures: Look out for weird lights or reports of weird lights inside of buildings, quarantine any found

[@C_rrptd]

There is Not really but basically an XK-class end of the world scenario, I'll just gonna call it "When Day breaks" if I call it SCP-001, it falls under a ton of 'proposals'

[@Jar-Vids]

@@maxifire32 I like this idea rather than “when the day breaks” scp 001.

[@C_rrptd]

@@Jar-Vids specify which scp-001, there's a ton

[@Vi3Voide]

literally when day breaks

[@KaberUllapool]

It's backfired so bad people who aren't even in the valve-sphere are reporting on it.

[@MrFelblood]

Streisand effect in action.

[@Vee-0ff1cal]

I've always hated half life 2 overcharged mod ngl

[@varietychan]

"I was just giving opinions about your game, 'You suck' is a fact about you"

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

"And, also, the sun is leaking"

[@MohIsmail-mk1fd]

​@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad Salad is real we have evidences 🥗🥗

[@Huvada]

@@MohIsmail-mk1fd that’s something a fake salad would say.

[@Kidneydiseasegaming]

can we make an edit of this quote

[@yamicats]

​@@Kidneydiseasegaming your profile LOLLLL 💀💀

[@teenfoe]

This is known as a Logic Bomb. Which is a malicious function programmed to run when certain condition are met. In this case it is a function that is designed to crash the game when specific hardcoded Steam IDs are detected. BTW, programming a logic bomb into your mod to crash the game will get you permabanned on Nexus with no exceptions.

[@vLaD3r5]

Finally someone in this comment section who knows software development and the regulations therein! I salute you gentleman!

[@senvr11]

yeah this behavior can't be allowed even a little bit. allow this and the next incident will be more than a simple crash function. this is a pretty quick way to get considered malware lol

[@WestCooly]

Thanks for the clarity, honestly why wouldn’t you want feedback, especially on the bad things…so you know what to fix. 🙄

[@HotBaraDad666]

How would one prevent certain users from playing the game/mod in that case? I only ask out of curiosity since I don't even make my own games and such.

[@vLaD3r5]

@@HotBaraDad666 if you made the game then it will be distributed via steam and then steam will handle "denial of service" or banning as you know it. As a mod maker YOU DON'T GET TO BAN PEOPLE. THAT RIGHT IS WITH THE IP OWNER AND DISTRIBUTION SERVICE! AS A MOD CREATOR YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO BAN PEOPLE! IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO PLAY IT YOU REMOVE IT FROM DISTRIBUTION!

[@MCSteve_]

It’s hilarious how large this meme has gotten, it’s amazing spite

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@@MCSteve_ you mean harassment campaign

[@MCSteve_]

@sciencewithfun2052 the amount of stolen content and pure arrogance from the creator, if their feelings happens to be butthurt because "the sun is leaking" which is purely reflective to the quality of their work, they need to check themselves.

[@connorcornwall1404]

​@sciencewithfun2052funny,all of this won't happen if they didn't make the blacklist in the first place.

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@connorcornwall1404 no it wouldn't have happened if the content "creators" hadn't harassed the devs

[@EricNightStorm]

@sciencewithfun2052 they never harassed the devs tho, they were just doing reviews of a mod and the devs acted like little kids, so instead of using the reviews to improve the mod they got mad at them and basically made malware

[@AxelLeJeff]

On one hand, I empathize with anyone having difficulty fixing leaks (I was involved with a c19 project and it haunts me), on the other, critique is what makes HL2 and gmod modding go round, so humble thyself and accept it.

[@lollikabosso.w.n7153]

Especialy, when the mod can simply be described as vent cover levitating in the air because surrounding walls od siad vent dont exist, and you kicking it so hard it Phases into the walls., while behind you lies dead Alien grunt ripped straight from Half Life one with no retexture. I.E. not finished, nor playtested mod

[@Puerco-Potter]

Is a free mod, they can do what they want, there is no costumer here that can demand anything. They give nothing yet make demands, that's the definition of entitlement

[@alanfran]

@@Puerco-Potter Unfortunately this is not a case of developers simply ignoring feedback but actively pushing back against it, we dont criticize them solely because we think they're being assholes, but also because receiving and accepting constructive criticism is how you grow as a developer, pushing against it wont get them anywhere

[@11facehugger]

​@@Puerco-Potter Id wager you don't take constructive criticism well either

[@Puerco-Potter]

​@@alanfranyou talk like "growing as a developer" is somehow an universal objective. What if they don't care about that? There is no obligation for them to do anything or improve anything and no pressure either...

[@dylansapp6804]

The Sun is Leaking would be a killer ARG title

[@vouteludibrialan8295]

if only you knew!

[@quantum5661]

I remember "the sun vanished"

[@Jaewing]

@@quantum5661eyyy a fellow TSV enjoyer

[@nankhanz6807]

​@@quantum5661TSV MENTIONED🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@mercce6750]

Ain't no way UFDTech is covering this now lmao. 😂 Also fyi: The modders didn't delist the file themselves, Moddb moderators did. Oh and also "The Sun is leaking" is actually first said by the channel Deadwater Gaming on their video on the mod.

[@icewallowpiece]

I thougjt noclick was the first to say it

[@DespecifiedRed]

No way deadwater gaming said it first. And i didnt even know. Im such a fake fan smh

[@Zoroark903]

Deadwater gaming mentioned

[@MrBohij]

The sun is leaking Many enemies Shake the old days

[@phillip_turner]

no way i didnt know he made a video for that mod

[@Eugene_of_Theodoro]

Ngl, having your mod have a built in blacklist is kinda funny

[@bruhmoment9429]

Yeah just shows that they took all criticism as a personal attack

[@sciencewithfun2052]

​@@bruhmoment9429 because it was a personal attack instead of criticism

[@bruhmoment9429]

@sciencewithfun2052 sure buddy if that's what you think 🙂

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@@bruhmoment9429 what you simp for one of the ccs that got banned? Did me telling the truth hurt your feelings cry some more

[@bruhmoment9429]

@sciencewithfun2052 yes my poor feeling got hurt over something I wasn't ever involved in im so sad 🥲

[@romist6465]

Thank you so much for explaining the “The Sun Is Leaking” thing, I was very confused when I first heard it a while back

[@SO-Negative]

When you can't take negative critisism for the lack of your productivity so you try to gatekeep it from happening, you're starting to sound really much like Ubisoft.

[@dsandoval9396]

Ubisoft isn't doing it for free, so, ...big difference?

[@MarsRover81]

Yea but this is also someone project they’re posting for free, so I feel like banning people because you don’t like their negative review is fine

[@cwj2733]

@MarsRover81yes, because banning people due to your poor performance is something we should all aspire for eh?

[@SO-Negative]

@@dsandoval9396 @MarsRover81 There is difference yes in sense one is asking money and one is not but that don't justify the the act, and the fact you use malware to do it is still scummy. Just because your "product" is free don't mean it should automaticly get free pass on it's own problems and just instantly be glorified holy. That's not good developing, if I would be developer I would actually want feedback on the bugs and issues from players. I would like to know what needs to be fixes and what I can do better. Ps. What if an actually game company that sells games decides one day make game which is f2p but it sucks, it's just very badly made game. Should that suddenly become good game because it's free even if coding was spaghetti. I'm not going to make list but I'm sure you can find lots of bad f2p games out there.

[@AraiDigital]

​@MarsRover81no, that's fucked up and malicious, if the product is bad, regardless of it being free or not, someones *going* to say something and everyone has the ability to put in their two cents, like it or not. they could have taken the criticism and improved on their work and made it worth the time and storage space to install, but instead went scorched earth and actively targeted creators that made reviews about it.

[@floppabunger5705]

Even he used “the sun is leaking” meme

[@MaxerV19]

The sun is also a deadly lazer

[@GANONdork123]

So many comments here of people saying "modders work for free to give people free stuff" as if that absolves them of all criticism and excuses putting what is essentially a Trojan in their mod. I used to create mods for games and I never threw a huge fit and put malware in my stuff anytime someone called my work garbage.

[@EricNightStorm]

fr, the devs are just acting like little kids who can't take criticism

[@NotAdachiPeople]

Brother, malware? Technically, yes, it might be, but all they’re doing is keeping you from using their mod. They’re not breaking your game. They’re not breaking your PC. They’re making you not be able to use their mod. That’s like saying a game with a banning system is malware because if you get banned, you are now unable to play it.

[@ιλι]

​@NotAdachiPeople Malware - software that is specifically designed to disrupt, damage, or gain unauthorized access to a computer system. In this case, the mod is disrupting your experience using your pc

[@GANONdork123]

@NotAdachiPeople Most games don't ban people by bypassing their computer's security systems using a modified DLL disguised as something else.

[@vLaD3r5]

"while technically it is..." So it's malware. The amount of damage is incidental, intent matters more here. And as we have established, under legal definition ya boy shared malware which is a federal crime in the us (5-10 years federal prison and associated ills). Are you sure this is what you want to defend? Also the sun is leaking! @NotAdachiPeople

[@MinoriGaming]

Remember thet one sonic fan game that would put a virus in your computer if you tried to datamine it?

[@heheboi3343]

There was a crash bandicoot fan game that would delete other games of the same franchise

[@RaceBandit]

I instead remember Sonic Gather Battle checking for stuff like Cheat Engine...

[@SniperOnSunday]

I do, but I forget which game it was.

[@demonfedor3748]

If being salty was a profession these guys would be in the top 10 worldwide.

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@@demonfedor3748 no they set healthy boundaries

[@demonfedor3748]

@sciencewithfun2052 Healthy boundaries is something different. When you try to silence criticism instead or have a purely emotional response that's childish. Plain and simple.

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@demonfedor3748 it isn't criticism to send your fan base to harass the mod devs

[@demonfedor3748]

@sciencewithfun2052 Both parties are in the wrong here

[@DopeThug]

@sciencewithfun2052 there was no harrasing tho

[@LexiLunarpaw]

Doesn't surprise me... Source Modders have a reputation for being toxic... just look at the GMod Workshop... yeesh

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@@LexiLunarpaw not wanting to be harassed is toxic now?

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

​@sciencewithfun2052 Yes, taking critics as harassment is toxic.

[@grogagog5190]

@sciencewithfun2052 The sun is leaking. You have been harassed by this now.

[@Derinrin]

modders in general have a reputation for being toxic, can't go anywhere without some petty drama going on lmao

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@Derinrin people like you are toxic harassing modders and acting entitled when they get fed up with you

[@DesolateLavender]

I wasn't expecting this to get wider coverage. I'm glad it is, though. The mod devs need to learn to do far better when it comes to taking genuine criticism, even if it's harsh.

[@SniperOnSunday]

Doesn't seem like they'll get another chance, though. ModDB does not take kindly to malware.

[@ct3000]

I really liked this mod, I thought it had flaws but it was supposed to be over the top and ridiculous so I loved it. It breaks my heart that the devs are a bunch babies that can't handle criticism and would do immoral crap like this.

[@sciencewithfun2052]

It was harassment not criticism

[@ct3000]

@sciencewithfun2052 yeah, I mean the devs couldn't handle criticism so they harassed the reviewers.

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@ct3000 the devs didn't harass them, the "reviewers" did

[@generalrubbish9513]

​@sciencewithfun2052 Found the lead dev's alt. The sun is leaking.

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@@generalrubbish9513 I found the idiot who thinks that defending someone who did nothing wrong must mean you are the person themselves.

[@turingtestingmypatience]

as a brit, "The Sun is leaking" threw me for a minute. idk if this is better or worse than that hypothetical

[@just__jt]

Damn based on the title I thought it was gonna be something cool like the Sun leaking too many radio waves, but it’s just a bunch of nerds having a power trip and thinking it’s cool to sneak in code meant to harass people

[@TheDragonfriday]

I thought it an actual sun leaking something from the core

[@mormacil]

Isn't it just refusing service? Lets say you're handing out free meals. A few people review and trash your cooking. So next time when they show up you tell them to move along while you hand out more free meals. They might be shit but you got a right to refuse service. It's not like they actively harm the machines of these people, they just can't run the specific mod.

[@johnwest6083]

Quit defending influencers

[@MyEarsHurts]

i was thinking about the sun as in the news site

[@ld2048]

​@johnwest6083 if the devs did a better job and were able to handle criticism like adults, then they would've used the negative videos to see where they could have improved, but no. They chose to blacklist any bad press.

[@crinklyonion1410]

Honestly if they just hadn’t let their ego get to them then I would be on their side. If you don’t like a mod, you don’t have to install it. It’s as simple as that. They could have actually taken the criticism to heart and actually made something they could be proud of.

[@dagonspringer7941]

We got both EVERYTHING Jolly Wangcore did and now "The Sun is Leaking", they need to give up

[@MuletTheGreat]

In my Indie game, there were members of the community that were cool and got hard coded highlights to their user names. They were blue!

[@Masonia_]

The sun is leaking sounds like a fire horror story

[@RaihoGeneral]

I recommend playing it because it'll help you appreciate and understand some of the decisions Valve made with HL2.

[@jrirch2089]

If the game doesn’t crash randomly that is

[@isaiahpridie813]

Can you talk about the gpus companies use in data centers? You talk a lot about the gpus for the common consumer, which is nice, but it would be cool to watch some KZbin shorts about gpus made specifically for large companies for significant processing power. Love your content btw!

[@datechboi]

^

[@icecreamsolider2919]

Don't you just need a CPU for that ?

[@ErzengelDesLichtes]

I’ve worked at game companies as an engine developer. Occasionally, we’d hire someone and find out they were like this. They were fired within the probationary period. We need team players who can accept criticism. If you can’t take criticism, you’re worthless to us. These people also generally didn’t get another shot at another company because we pretty well know each other.

[@lunoxis8371]

I had no idea half life 2 mods on this scale even existed until now. Something something streisand effect.

[@mineturtle2]

Entropy zero 1 & 2..?

[@thecodeking91]

Portal was, to some extent, a (very complicated) hl2 mod

[@lunoxis8371]

@@thecodeking91 shhhh we don't talk about that

[@S.P.Y.0.8]

Honestly, when I first saw “the sun is leaking” I thought that the mod had a bug with skyboxes or something like that.

[@DuddleBug5]

Someone should use the sun is leaking line and make it part of a arg so the game theorists can talk about it

[@gamermoment4641]

Interloper Episode C moment

[@mallusaih]

Reminds me of the nuclear tech mod for minecraft, where the player "fartmn" is hardcoded to appear as an angry 2d cartoon fart cloud image

[@mistahhbeangaming8127]

Hehe fartman.

[@haijehiemstra2883]

Hbm NTM right?

[@sage5296]

yea having a payload that negatively impacts users and only activates under set conditions is like definition of a trojan

[@NotAdachiPeople]

So… a game with a ban system is technically a Trojan, yes? It’s got a payload that negatively impacts players on certain conditions (the servers dictating that the player is banned). While I do think the devs were petty, I’d say this is the best way they could have banned the KZbinrs. Because if they were to just prevent the KZbinrs from downloading the mod, it would be stupidly easy to bypass that. If it’s baked into the mod itself, *and* the mod is closed source, well, these players are likely not going to be able to play your mod without spoofing their steam ID, which is much more complicated than just looking for a download elsewhere

[@theorphanobliterator]

@NotAdachiPeoplegame with a ban system doesn’t crash your program.

[@theorphanobliterator]

@NotAdachiPeopleit’s called a logic bonb and gets you INSTANTLY BANNED on nexus, no questions asked, permanently. this is malware

[@mrorange8576]

@NotAdachiPeople Big difference between regulated anti cheats and some logic bomb made by some stinky dude in his 30's. Logic bomb gets you insta banned of nexus as it should.

[@NotAdachiPeople]

@ I see, so the way they did it is wrong…

[@Emolt76]

"The Sun is Leaking" sounds like something Vsauce would say

[@Czarro672]

Me when the sun is leaking

[@sihamhamda47]

There goes the hyper-charged gamma particles

[@lnomata5470]

The sun is leaking😄 The sun is lacking😢

[@TheLegacyDan]

Well now that's an interesting level of petty

[@superNova5837]

Minecraft had a similar problem If you make a mod DO NOT have extra crap built in that serves no immediate use Best case it’s some function that was left over that was forgotten about Worst case it’s a back door onto your computer

[@TetraKael]

this mod is the definition of "chuck shit at a wall and see if it sticks"

[@creativename_]

I think my favorite part about this is that one of the blacklisted KZbinrs has like barely 300 subs. Like how petty do you have to be to blacklist such a small KZbinr

[@JimmyBonez]

And here I thought modders were different from AAA game devs. Apparently they're still people eating in the modding community who can't take constructive criticism. Instead of if you don't like it don't play it they said if you don't like it you can't play it.

[@MilkyNep]

Modders are just nerds, and nerds can be as petty as anyone else. For a few years the Skyrim modding scene was essentially controlled by the dev that made the Unofficial Patch, and he would straight up DMCA people who tried to make their own patches or remove the bullshit he put into his mods.

[@armanalizadeh8883]

one of big problems of this mod is the sun is leaking

[@Vorticough]

random game modder try not to develop schizophrenia challenge:

[@Powderheimer]

go to d3_breen_01 sv_cheats 1 ent_remove breen impulse 101 noclip kill ent_remove_all player

[@401_kb]

I love how everyone commented "The sun is leaking"

[@user-sr4hy9ib6h]

was not expecting this to be news on this channel also the sun is leaking.

[@danyaljamil1677]

KZbinrs as 'Anticitizens' lmao

[@ahmetdenizsezgin]

First time i know something before this legend makes a video about it

[@generalrubbish9513]

Imagine if you left a negative review on a fanfiction and the author sent you pipe bomb in the mail. That's the closest equivalent to this.

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@@generalrubbish9513 nope it is like you going to slap an artist at their house and they get a restraining order on you

[@generalrubbish9513]

@sciencewithfun2052 So, in your world, giving someone negative feedback is the same as physically assaulting them, and launching a targeted cyber-attack is the same as legally getting a restraining order. All I can say is, good luck in life and my condolences to any friends, family members and coworkers who have to deal with you IRL.

[@MarsRover81]

It’s not like the mod creator sent a pipe bomb to his house 😭 It’s really ain’t that deep, banning people you don’t like off a mod you host for free isn’t that bad

[@theflamethrowerman]

@@generalrubbish9513 That is not right, a more correct thing would be: You leave a bad review on a fanfic and the person sends you a letter saying I don’t want you reading my works. In response, you say omg you sent me a letter, that could’ve been a pipe bomb and then you send death threats to the fanfic writer.

[@underpaidmook]

​@MarsRover81Yeah, but the things the mod creators did can also be done to inject malware into targeted computers

[@UsedNameTag13]

An army of people chanting only “the sun is leaking” sounds straight out of an ARG

[@FrancisL4D]

Valve should sue ngl, This could lead to pc hacking or malware spreading.

[@NotAdachiPeople]

Dude what? That’s a slippery slope man. All they did was ban a few people from using their mods. They didn’t harm the base game or the user’s computer. Any mod could lead to PC hacking or malware spreading.

[@connorcornwall1404]

​@NotAdachiPeople people tend to look at the bigger picture.yes all they did is a simple blacklist but who knows what else they can do?

[@NotAdachiPeople]

@@connorcornwall1404 I think that’s considered a logical fallacy, the slippery slope fallacy. The general idea of this is “because they did this, they could do this and this and this.” Plus, I mean, any mod that edits DLLs can do the same “because this mod used a custom DLL file, it could end up silently inserting a Trojan, which could end up ruining your computer, even though all it did was edit that DLL file.”

[@GoldenCawthon]

''is called overcharged after all''

[@terrick7559]

That's a fantastic way to help stop people from leaving a bad review from a game that you play MODS on

[@sidthejovian5105]

The Sun is Leaking is the peak of Noclick's career I'm surprised how much the meme has gone this far

[@declandude25]

you know its bad when half life 2 breaches brainrot shorts content

[@AntiKaizero]

This ones not brainrot. the other ones are through.

[@whatever63644]

Look who's watching the content.

[@TheeZackMichael]

For clarification, the Vanity URL shown in the code is just a comment put there to clarify which Steam IDs were blacklisted in the code below.

[@rememberjerry936]

Technically the way their going about this is considered really pathetic lmao

[@christhiancosta1844]

"The sun is leaking" also seems like a good premise starter for a Science Fiction or Horror media

[@DylanPews]

How the hell is a hardcoded black list considered malware

[@alienmagi]

Because its malicious software.

[@CFSworks]

​@@alienmagiHere "malicious" has a technical meaning: that the software exfiltrates data, damages the computer system, or otherwise exploits the system's resources. This situation doesn't fit the definition of "malware." I agree with you that the modders are acting out of malice. Targeting specific users and denying them equal use of a free mod released to the public is petty, unprofessional, unethical, and undermines trust in the modding community as a whole. But calling this "malware" misrepresents the offense and I fear may distract the community from holding the modders accountable for their actual actions.

[@TheBreakingBenny]

Imagine that they were not just disallowed from playing at all, but were sent viruses instead because their SteamID matches a conditional check. That is when it's malware.

[@DylanPews]

Oh, that makes perfect sense.

[@LuwiigiMaster]

Honestly the idea of a game scanning for specific steam users and doing something is hilarious. I would love to invent a game and implement such a list, and the list would exclusively consist of people who defend bad or nonexistent keyboard/mouse controls by scrambling controller inputs, and disabling keyboard inputs outright. Or the people who say framerate locks are good, they will instead have a game that runs at 17fps, the most unpleasant framerate according to science.

[@buttersddragon]

way more hilarious drama and quote origin than i was picturing when i heard about it the sun is leaking

[@Lumie_Moth]

I'm so glad the main joke of this, is "the sun is leaking" 🤣

[@hissingfever8210]

Modders trying not to be pieces of shit challenge (impossible)

[@sciencewithfun2052]

The content creators are in the wrong here for harassing them, it is clear they sent their simps to harass them when they got banned from using the mod

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

​@sciencewithfun2052 No simps. Only informed people picking their side. Bur you wouldn't understand.

[@Joseph_InTheDark]

​@sciencewithfun2052 while yes it is bad to harass people (if anyone even did) that doesn't excuse adding malware in response to criticism

[@hydralisk3534]

Oh sorry are you not content enough with your free labor? This is objectively funny

[@EricNightStorm]

@@hydralisk3534 free labor doesn't make malware any better

[@probably_a_human.]

"The sun is Leaking." "the sun is leaking." "Sigh... The sun is leaking..."

[@wanderer8038]

this kinda modder behavior is not okay, how petty

[@sciencewithfun2052]

Banning people who harass you is perfectly ok

[@JesterOfLemmings]

@sciencewithfun2052 its a video game mod, not a multiplayer game, they never harrased the devs, and injecting malware into peoples games isn't very ok

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@JesterOfLemmings firstly just because it is single player mod doesn't mean they can't harass the devs on forums, secondly it was only technically considered malware because of the method used to access the IDs

[@generalrubbish9513]

@sciencewithfun2052 I guess breaking into someone's house and not taking anything is only "technically" considered burglary, then?

[@sciencewithfun2052]

@generalrubbish9513 shitty analogy, more like looking into someone's house isn't considered burglary

[@fromtillontotilly1990]

"The Sun Is Leaking" is such a good rock band name bro

[@localmenace3043]

Imagine being _so_ sensitive to criticism that you pull something like this. At that point I wouldn’t even mod anything, I’d just quit tbh

[@Willowposting]

The fucked up thing is a similar situation happened in the Sonic fandom a few years ago. Someone made a fan game with sprite edits, and if you try to access the files or look up cheats for the game, it would either force close or give you some cringe creepypasta jumpscare. It would also randomly create a file which would execute itself, connect to an IP address, and then delete itself. Needless to say the uploaded got his proverbial shit kicked in and has been banned from all future Sonic fan game expos.

[@JulianQuinn]

This is insane but let’s be real, this is not malware 😂 it’s honestly kinda funny

[@crashbash8549]

It is malware, software that you download that acts in a malicious way (blocking you from playing the game) and also targets specific people

[@CFSworks]

This is definitely petty, and possibly even unethical. But unless one's definition of "malware" is "software that deliberately goes against the wishes and expectations of the user," it's unlikely to be malware. There are frameworks that catalogue each of the malicious actions that malware can take (Dewey Decimal style) and none of them consider "(selectively) refusing to launch" to be a malicious action: malware must cause damage.

[@crashbash8549]

@@CFSworks Malware - "software that is specifically designed to *disrupt*, damage, or gain unauthorized access to a computer system."

[@crashbash8549]

@@CFSworks Disrupting a program from opening is malicious

[@CFSworks]

@@crashbash8549 Targeted users' computer systems not disrupted, damaged or subject to unauthorized access. Uninstall mod, everything OK: not malware.

[@hazmatoxic]

This issue was around community, now it's around global. Overcharged situation is insane.

[@arcturuslight_]

I don't know much, but I am on the side of the modmakers here? It sure would be better if they did, but they are not obligated to listen to criticism, especially one that borders on harrassment. And calling that ban "malware" is an exaggeration.

[@ToeJeee34]

"I don't know much" yeah that was clear from everything you just said

[@arcturuslight_]

@ToeJeee34 well, ye, that how it be unless I learn more about that situation. Too bad places covering it are not good at providing details.

[@ThaGuus]

​@@ToeJeee34Getting your viewers to spam "The sun is leaking" isn't a review that's just harassment. And having a ban/blocklist isn't anything new

[@Kakacmakac]

​@@arcturuslight_ essentialy, the blacklist is against both moddb and steam TOS and what they did was kind of illegal and falls under the definition of malware. The criticism isnt exactly harassment, you can watch noclick's video that started this all on his channel. "The sun is leaking" was a running gag throughout the vid because a lighting bug was repeated many times over, but he also made tons of other points.

[@arcturuslight_]

@@Kakacmakac I see. I guess there's a thin line between malware and regular games with antipiracy and anticheat. Yeah, I dunno, I don't have a side here anymore. I probably got too caught onto some other comments who actually go too far and cry about their freedom of speech being taken away, with their idea of freedom of speech being "I get to scream at you and you are obligated to continue providing me your free service", because what they really want is a freedom of being a slave owner or something.

[@SkadiX3]

I actually like that they did this haha Props for the Devs

[@whistlinturbo]

Not sure how that's considered malware when it only targets a few specific people and only effects the launching of the mod.

[@Ect0fox]

They couldve installed stuff on their computer and done some bad stuff

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

the fact that you made this comment shows you have no idea what you're talking about but still trying to make yourself look smart

[@EricNightStorm]

it's malware because unless you're a developer of the Steam platform itself (not a game nor a mod), you shouldn't access that kind of user data, it's against Steam's user agreements and stuff

[@theflamethrowerman]

@@Ect0foxI don’t agree with this logic because technically any .exe file would be considered a virus because it could have ran bad code. If you could explain further and point out why my argument is wrong, please do. I am currently neutral.

[@NotAdachiPeople]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_SaladI… don’t see how he was trying to make himself look smart? He’s making a legitimate point.

[@ConstantBit9]

UFDTech is a true believer! THE SUN IS LEAKING! Also whenever you say "The sun is leaking", I can slightly hear noclick in your voice lol

[@SquishyThing]

Not really malicious at all, the devs blocked them from using THEIR mod, if they simply uninstall the mod the game functions as normal. Its like claiming someone's malicious for banning you from their Minecraft server for talking sh*t about them lol.

[@CFSworks]

Agreed: not at all malicious in the technical sense. The mod platforms (ModDB et al) are well within their rights to ban this mod, but my hope is that they do so for the right reasons, i.e. not "this mod is malware." Rather something like "these actions were divisive and unprofessional; singling out specific users to deny them equal enjoyment of the mod goes against our community values" gets to the point and clearly illustrates the line that was crossed here.

[@TheBreakingBenny]

​@@CFSworks Violation of TOS is also unprofessional.

[@ThaGuus]

@@TheBreakingBenny Against what TOS?

[@TheBreakingBenny]

@@ThaGuus Lock players out of playing at all, for starters. If there is a Logic Bomb, there is trouble. Imagine if the respective Steam IDs were sent viruses on their machines, they would be entirely in the right to want Valve on Overcharged's throats.

[@ThaGuus]

​ @TheBreakingBenny "Imagine," sorry, but it didn't, so it's no logic bomb. It's just a simple ban/block list, which is the same as you getting banned from any game or site.

[@SimpleTakes0]

The sun is leaking straight up vibe

[@alphathewolf5054]

That seems illegal as shit

[@vLaD3r5]

It is. A felony in the US, goes to federal prison if charged

[@Kqvikko]

The fact that they said "STOP talking SH1T about us" as the crash message.

[@ninjasupergt4623]

First

[@YouAreAmerican1776]

Truly are first

[@ninjasupergt4623]

@YouAreAmerican1776 ik

[@camsfour4177]

Question: Why do we need modders? They do work that we didn't ask for and when some of us are willing to give them some attention, they attack. Why do we need modders?

[@G-man420]

You don't. But if you're going to shit on something that someone spent their time on and gave you for free, don't be surprised if it pisses them off.

[@camsfour4177]

@G-man420 I take things that are for free - not "for free". And sweetheart, try to pay better to what I write next time - deal?

[@nakyearns]

thats a really stupid question

[@camsfour4177]

@@nakyearns that's a really smart question. The answer? We don't - your welcome.

[@connorcornwall1404]

There's a difference between criticism and harassment

[@MrQuantumInc]

"The sun is leaking" became a meme, I it was repeatedly constantly without explanation. Even a video meant to explain the controversy repeated that phrase without explaining it. In fact the mod itself has a moment where the phrase is repeated endlessly without explanation. Now that somebody (from outside the HL community) explain it, it makes a lot of sense.

[@G-man420]

So, someone spent their time to try and make something for free, for others to enjoy, at no real benefit to themselves, and you're surprised that harsh criticism was met with anger? Modders aren't devs, they don't OWE you anything.

[@sciencewithfun2052]

EXACTLY IT IS THE CONTENT CREATORS FAULT

[@bruhmoment9429]

@@G-man420 uh it depends on how it's advertised if you actually knew the context and actually saw the mod then your blessing of ignorance would disappear

[@generalrubbish9513]

They also don't owe us malware hard-coded into the mod's DLLs. The sun is leaking.

[@Ect0fox]

Except this couldve been used to install malware on the reviewers pcs and do bad stuff, the devs are horrible and deserve all this hate for doing something like this

[@theflamethrowerman]

@@Ect0fox??? Any exe file could be malware. It’s like saying if you own a gun, you must’ve shot people.

[@ryujinayato1623]

since no one had made the joke yet THE SUN IS A DEADLY LASER 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@DrXaiver]

I found out about this like a week ago and it’s been fun seeing this blow up lol

[@EtherealSki]

The sun is leaking strangely sounds like some far right dog whistle

[@windows_98se]

The sun is leaking. Thanks for finally talking about it

[@mirndalink0911]

The sun is leaking sounds like some analog horror type shit

[@meetusmarkus]

Correction: The phrase "the sun is leaking" actually comes from Deadwater Gaming channel, specifically their first HL2OC vid (Half-Life 2: Overcharged is a Very Big Deal)

[@spyrofrost9158]

Remember when they banned that Spiderman mod that removed cult flags 💀

[@LoneCarrot]

That phrase goes hard.

[@taylor3621]

Half Life 2: Overcharred, because these guys are cooked

[@banana-lover]

Also, what makes this so much worse is that they use their steam id to detect them, which could end up to literal malware

[@GabeUttsecks2007]

"Well it is called Overcharged"

[@Luke_Kuznetsov]

The sun is leaking sounds like a EAS scenario

[@JJekyll]

i think thats amazing, i wanna buy it to support them lol

[@dolpoof2335]

The sun was always leaking.

[@concordiadraco4363]

Reminds me of when old pixelmon mod for Minecraft did similar.

[@muhammadiqbalmalikm649]

The sun is leaking sounds like analog horror

[@Neadwidger]

how pity can you be HL2: "yes"

[@mercer6323]

It's fascinating, what made them think they could get away with it? Nobody gets away with it.